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Don't know what to think. If Ray Morrogh accepted the plea on behalf of the State than it is the right decision. Ray Morrogh is one of the best Prosecuting Attorney in the Country. Wolfe killed a major drug dealer who was destroying lives. He didn't kill a kid coming out of church! Not right killing anyone of course but no long tax payer trial and the shithead Wolfe will still be locked up another 30 years in a hardcore prison. I would have liked Wolfe to get life but I respect Ray Morrogh decision to end this saga of young shithead drug dealers.
This case, however, should not have been a death penalty case. The plain reality is that given the time, expense, and changing social norms surrounding death cases, we can only execute the worst of the worst. This case did not fit this mold (although do not conflate this comment with a view that a murder of some kind for hire is not a horrible thing).
This result is a good approximation of justice.
The prosecutor's office should not engage in Constitutionally improper activity like they did here. They are fortunate that a fairly long sentence has been obtained.
Wolfe's supporters would do themselves a favor if they publicly come to grips with Wolfe's guilt. Civil rights groups do better when they are principled.
So this punk wasted the last 15 years of the legal system and in in fact a murderer....time to pay the piper son and realize your life was made to be the cell block punk giving out blow jobs.
long held views Wrote:
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> Comments:
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> I never believed Wolfe's claims to innocence.
>
> This case, however, should not have been a death
> penalty case. The plain reality is that given the
> time, expense, and changing social norms
> surrounding death cases, we can only execute the
> worst of the worst. This case did not fit this
> mold (although do not conflate this comment with a
> view that a murder of some kind for hire is not a
> horrible thing).
>
> This result is a good approximation of justice.
>
> The prosecutor's office should not engage in
> Constitutionally improper activity like they did
> here. They are fortunate that a fairly long
> sentence has been obtained.
>
> Wolfe's supporters would do themselves a favor if
> they publicly come to grips with Wolfe's guilt.
> Civil rights groups do better when they are
> principled.
Well put. I thought it was a mistake to seek a death penalty against Wolfe and not the shooter.
The Grim Reaper Dude Wrote:
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> So this punk wasted the last 15 years of the legal
> system and in in fact a murderer....time to pay
> the piper son and realize your life was made to be
> the cell block punk giving out blow jobs.
No more single cell Justina! Enjoy Wallins Ridge and all its amenities! Whomp Whomp
When will the limpwristed bitches at The Innocence Project apologize to America for falsely claiming his innocence (and wasting taxpayer money) all these years?
The Innocence Project has an empirical challenge. There are a statistically small number of cases where convicted persons are in fact innocent (as opposed to being merely not legally culpable). How to identify and choose which cases to support is a real challenge for the Project, especially given that they are inclined as progressives to think emotionally and cling to a narrative (as opposed to the facts). In this case, the defense, even with an honest prosecution (which was not the case in the first instance), really was never going to be able to explain the phone calls made by Wolfe right after the murder. It is hardly unusual that circumstantial evidence holds more weight than direct evidence, and those calls were the elephant in the room for the defense and a big reason in my mind why Wolfe came clean. I am not sure the Project is adept and processing "bad facts", although I think they must get better at it. Admissions like Wolfe's (although I think he did the right thing) undermine the credibility of the Project. (A death penalty abolitionist at the University of Houston understands this dynamic, and is one of the few to point out the risks of embarking on a defense (after trial) of actual innocence in terms of maintaining credibility. One only need observe the results of the Roger Keith Coleman death case, where the progressive left swore up and down as to Coleman's innocence, only to find that the application of DNA evidence years later (after Coleman's execution) made it clear that Coleman was in fact guilty. This is not a screed against the progressive left but rather a reminder that discipline and attention to facts is always important.
Wonder how many of your mom's and other relatives could go this entire ordeal, court process, as the Wolfe family has gone thru, whether guilty or innocence. I doubt many would have held up mentally.
Stating this after the crimes were committed.
You can all talk the talk but can you walk the walk. Doubtful.
TheSystemofJustice Wrote:
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> Wonder how many of your mom's and other relatives
> could go this entire ordeal, court process, as the
> Wolfe family has gone thru, whether guilty or
> innocence. I doubt many would have held up
> mentally.
> Stating this after the crimes were committed.
>
> You can all talk the talk but can you walk the
> walk. Doubtful.
TheSystemofJustice Wrote:
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> Wonder how many of your mom's and other relatives
> could go this entire ordeal, court process, as the
> Wolfe family has gone thru, whether guilty or
> innocence. I doubt many would have held up
> mentally.
> Stating this after the crimes were committed.
>
> You can all talk the talk but can you walk the
> walk. Doubtful.
Not my fucking problem, they raised a drug dealer. They turned a blind eye when their drug dealer son was bringing in large sums of cash. They turned a blind eye when their drug dealer son paid cash for a new card. They knew what was up.
Fuck 'em. Can't handle the stress? Suicide is always a viable option.
Fuck his momma.. Wrote:
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> TheSystemofJustice Wrote:
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> > Wonder how many of your mom's and other
> relatives
> > could go this entire ordeal, court process, as
> the
> > Wolfe family has gone thru, whether guilty or
> > innocence. I doubt many would have held up
> > mentally.
> > Stating this after the crimes were committed.
> >
> > You can all talk the talk but can you walk the
> > walk. Doubtful.
>
> Not my fucking problem, they raised a drug dealer.
> They turned a blind eye when their drug dealer son
> was bringing in large sums of cash. They turned a
> blind eye when their drug dealer son paid cash for
> a new card. They knew what was up.
>
> Fuck 'em. Can't handle the stress? Suicide is
> always a viable option.
I've often bought new cards with cash. Once they get up over $10, I'll use a credit card sometimes.
I feel for his mother. She is a caring parent, and like all parents, an imperfect one. The problem with young people who live life with few boundaries is that it is difficult to predict where the dissolution of boundaries will lead in terms of consequences. Some mature and escape, some suffer only minor but still significant consequences (e.g., Wolfe's girlfriend), and some end up answering the call of disaster, like Wolfe. I don't think it balanced to harshly judge Wolfe's mother. Personally, I was raised by an abusive father who abandoned the family and a mother who had addiction problems. I would have given anything to have a mother who cares like Wolfe's mother, so again, I think there is no room to harshly judge her. I hope her son's steps towards accountability and the fact that he is no longer on death row can give her some peace.
We are waiting for Justina at Wallins Ridge! Time to start tossing salad and sucking dick Justina. You pathetic little bitch. Been at Loudoun detention center in a peaceful little cell. Time for reality bitch.
stui Wrote:
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> Don't know what to think. If Ray Morrogh accepted
> the plea on behalf of the State than it is the
> right decision. Ray Morrogh is one of the best
> Prosecuting Attorney in the Country. Wolfe killed
> a major drug dealer who was destroying lives. He
> didn't kill a kid coming out of church! Not right
> killing anyone of course but no long tax payer
> trial and the shithead Wolfe will still be locked
> up another 30 years in a hardcore prison. I would
> have liked Wolfe to get life but I respect Ray
> Morrogh decision to end this saga of young
> shithead drug dealers.
long held views Wrote:
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> we can only execute the worst of the worst.
Cold blooded murder for money and drugs. Pretty much the worst of the worst. Since the shooter changed his story his plea bargain should be revoked so they can at least execute one of the two.
K - would it be so that this crime is the worst of the worst. Far from it. Review the death penalty cases from a significant death jurisdiction, like Florida. What you will see is the victimization and often brutal treatment of true innocents, including torture - and not merely the ugly outcome of venal behavior between two drug dealers and a mentally limited hanger on who pulled the trigger. Just because you don't like the crime - and I don't either - substantiates the worst of the worst moniker. Barber's initial sentence virtually self-authenticates the point - I think 40 years. Given the prosecution's behavior - which was unlawful - you can argue that Wolfe should be set free as a deterrent to future similar prosecutorial behavior - in the end, I think it fortunate that a sentence of at least 29 years has obtained for Wolfe. His confession too, means a lot. What most victim families want is closure. All in all a fair approximation of justice.
He actually could be released as early as 2030. He's going to receive credit for 15 years already served. If they impose the 29 year sentence he will be free in 14 years, when he'll only be around 50 and might live another 30 years. At the worst he'll be out in his early 60s.
Why does he get the same/similar sentence as the gunman? He should be in jail for life. Hiring someone to do the dirty work is more despicable than actually doing it.
Yep he dad was a high ranking member of the SS.That is why this became a death penalty case.It totally bizaaree that daddy didn't wonder how his HS graduate son could afford a townhouse a few years oyut of high school.
7y Wrote:
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> As long as he's in his 60's when he gets out and
> will never see his mother except through a sheet
> of plexiglass, he's getting what he deserves.
Ideally he'll get shanked. No chance that a cold blooded killer who rots in jail from age 20-60 has anything to contribute to society. What's he going to do? Get a job? He didn't want to work for a living in the first place, that's why he was a drug dealer who robbed other drug dealers.
HbhbY Wrote:
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> Yep he dad was a high ranking member of the
> SS.That is why this became a death penalty case.It
> totally bizaaree that daddy didn't wonder how his
> HS graduate son could afford a townhouse a few
> years oyut of high school.
who are you responding to? Did anyone ask about the dad?
Doubt Wolfe will live to make it out of prison now that he's being released into the general population.
He’s at Nottoway. That’s a 3/4. He’s more than likely just fine there. I just did six years and those 3/4 Compounds like Buckingham,
Nottoway and Augusta are pretty easy living. Unless he’s catching beef with gangs and shit which is unlikely, he’s probably just chilling, high profile case or not. You may or may not be surprised but VA prisons are FILLED with sex offenders, child molesters and rapists that just keep their head down and do their time. I was in for robbery and had my paperwork checked at higher levels, but for the most part people don’t fuck with you unless you’re drawing attention to yourself.