LAST NIGHT The Fairfax County School Board approved spending $2.67 billion in FY2017, a massive increase of 4.8 percent, or $121.4 million, above the bloated FY 2016 budget. The FY 2017 budget includes salary increases for all employees, additional raises of $40 million for some teachers, and money that will create more classes in already overcrowded elementary schools.

“A budget is fundamentally a plan on where to spend money and this budget reflects this school board's unwillingness to reduce spending in any area,” says School Board watcher Pat Tines. “It includes pay increases for everyone regardless of merit, creates more classes beyond the projected increases in student population, and, most importantly, proposes no cuts to any programs or administrative overhead.

“The Superintendent’s Budget Task Force spent many hours over several weeks last summer and fall developing a list of potential program cuts and new fees,” continued Tines, and spent over a million dollars surveying the community. “Those cuts and fees are NOT in the Budget. I did not leave the classroom so that I could preside over the dismantling of this world class school system by cutting a single dollar from any program. Potential cuts will, sadly, have to be considered should we not receive the revenue this school board demands.”

“This budget reflects much more than the basic needs of our schools and ignores what is really needed to maintain an essential quality education for our children,” said School Board critic and budget committee watcher Janie Streudel. “Massive community support for this budget is critical in forcing this spending on the people of Fairfax County.”

The budget documents do note that no increase for growth or demographics is necessary due to slower than anticipated student membership growth during FY 2016.

The FY 2017 budget also includes $2.2 million for additional buses due to the change in school start times last year, as well as $16.5 million in health insurance increases and $13.5 million in retirement rate increases, in lieu of employees contributing anything to their guaranteed benefits.

“The increases we have in the FY 2017 budget are a message to the Board of Supervisors that we demand increased spending and will rally parents and employees against you if you resist,” added Streudel.

The School Board will present its budget to the Board of Supervisors on Tuesday, April 5. The Fairfax County Board of Supervisors will hold public hearings on the budget on April 5-7. Some additional information about participating in the FY 2017 budget process and the complete budget calendar is available somewhere online.

The Board of Supervisors has already told the School Board that a budget increase of this magnitude is irresponsible and not possible without taxing Fairfax County property owners even more than projected. They urged the School Board to act like adults and make the responsible decisions they are paid to do.

Limited details and updates about the FY 2017 budget can be found somewhere online.

School Board Watch Wrote:
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> LAST NIGHT The Fairfax County School Board
> approved spending $2.67 billion in FY2017, a
> massive increase of 4.8 percent, or $121.4
> million, above the bloated FY 2016 budget.

Had you watched, you would have known that the "massive 4.8 percent increase" is the smallest increase requested by any school system in the area, as all of them are also in "restore and reinvest" mode, seeking to begin the process of making up for years of cuts and losses. As many members pointed out last night, the FY2017 request doesn't go nearly far enough, but the damage has been so great that it isn't practical to try to make it all up at once. There will be more "restore and reinvest" requests coming in the years ahead, and if it has the best interests of the County in mind, the Board will need to fund those as well.

Knee-jerk, out of step, road-blocking, axe-wielding right-wing morons such as Pat Tines are free to stick it all where the sun don't shine. Their dreams of killing our public school systems are not going to come to fruition -- not now and not ever.

School Board Watch Wrote:
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They urged the School Board
> to act like adults and make the responsible
> decisions they are paid to do.


This budget is doing exactly what is urged. The school board is voted in to represent what is best for the residents and their kids education not what the board of supervisors wants them to do. The majority of the public supports FCPS and wants them to be fully funded and the BOS knows this full and well and will spin it as much as they can so they don't get labeled as the bad guys by not funding the budget request. I guarantee you if this budget increase was put to a public vote it would pass somewhere around 60 percent yay to 40 percent nay.

Deep! Wrote:
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> School Board Watch Wrote:
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> They urged the School Board
> > to act like adults and make the responsible
> > decisions they are paid to do.
>
>
> This budget is doing exactly what is urged. The
> school board is voted in to represent what is best
> for the residents and their kids education not
> what the board of supervisors wants them to do.
> The majority of the public supports FCPS and wants
> them to be fully funded and the BOS knows this
> full and well and will spin it as much as they can
> so they don't get labeled as the bad guys by not
> funding the budget request. I guarantee you if
> this budget increase was put to a public vote it
> would pass somewhere around 60 percent yay to 40
> percent nay.


We will see how happy everyone is when the next real estate tax bill arrives. The increases are needed because of the trespassers that have invaded our southern border. A few years ago the student population was decreasing, schools were being shuttered or converted to other purposes. Where this will all end is a school system like most inner cities have. Ask a few educators that have been watching this unfold.

>
> We will see how happy everyone is when the next
> real estate tax bill arrives. The increases are
> needed because of the trespassers that have
> invaded our southern border. A few years ago the
> student population was decreasing, schools were
> being shuttered or converted to other purposes.
> Where this will all end is a school system like
> most inner cities have. Ask a few educators that
> have been watching this unfold.


FCPS student population has increased every year i have work for FCPS and that is almost 15 years now. There has only been 1 school closure that has not been replaced and that was Clifton ES. There actually has been more schools opened in the last 10 years.

The following new schools have been built in the last 10 years to accomodate student growth

South County HS
South County MS
Coates ES
Mason Crest ES

with 3 new schools slotted to be built or open within the next 5 years. This is only new schools not counting the many that undergo rennovations and additions every year.

Frankly, I am more than tired of this do-nothing school board shirking its responsibilities.

Fairfax County has more needs than just schools. Parks, transportation, and core government services should not suffer just because the school board and DCPS employees are greedy and unwilling to even consider savings.

Tax Paying Wrote:
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> Frankly, I am more than tired of this do-nothing
> school board shirking its responsibilities.
>
> Fairfax County has more needs than just schools.
> Parks, transportation, and core government
> services should not suffer just because the school
> board and DCPS employees are greedy and unwilling
> to even consider savings.

yes Fairfax County has other needs to but that is not the job of the School board to care about, their one and only sole purpose is for the School system and that is it.

The Board of Supervisors is the one responsible for the other shit. SOB bitches to BOS for money, BOS bitches to the state for money, State bitches to the federal govt etc.

Deep! Wrote:
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>
> FCPS student population has increased every year i
> have work for FCPS and that is almost 15 years
> now. There has only been 1 school closure that
> has not been replaced and that was Clifton ES.
> There actually has been more schools opened in the
> last 10 years.

Of course the student population increases every year. That's one more reason this budget is a farce. It includes "no increase for growth or demographics" so that they can come back for even more money when the totally predictable growth happens.

You Gatehouse dwellers need to grow up and create a real budget.

If FCPS was as good at providing an education as they are at wasting money then we might have a better system.

The FCPS budget would be balanced if the employees contributed a mere 2% of their benefits costs.

>
> Of course the student population increases every
> year. That's one more reason this budget is a
> farce. It includes "no increase for growth or
> demographics" so that they can come back for even
> more money when the totally predictable growth
> happens.


not it is because FCPS has been horribly underfunded for the last decade, Many things that FCPS does are now done better by surrounding counties and a lot of that has to do with funding for not only normal student teaching but also employee compensations to entice the better staff. FCPS ranks in the middle for DC areas now in compensations and falls further down every year. The further down we go, the more competent personnel we will lose.

You all bitch now about the stupid people who work for FCPS that can't cut it, this will only get worse as the years go on unless they funded properly and have the right compensation to get the competent employees you guys so seek. No one wants to work here anymore.

The school board completely ignored the facts of wasteful spending pointed out by the community. Now they want our support for more spending? Fuck off!

Gawd Aweful Wrote:
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> The school board completely ignored the facts of
> wasteful spending pointed out by the community.
> Now they want our support for more spending? Fuck
> off!


Please point out some examples.

Where is that study that showed the combination of wages, benefits, and working conditions make Fairfax School employees the best compensated of all school districts in the area?

Benefits Wrote:
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> The FCPS budget would be balanced if the employees
> contributed a mere 2% of their benefits costs.


i already pay more than 2% percent of my benefit costs. 5% percent of my pay goes to my benefits every paycheck.

If things are so bad then why are so few employees leaving Fairfax County Schools?

As long as we have 40 qualified applicants for every open teacher position, we have no need to raise wages.

Gawd Aweful Wrote:
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> The school board completely ignored the facts of
> wasteful spending pointed out by the community.
> Now they want our support for more spending? Fuck
> off!

i seen the lists the community pointed out and a lot of it was nonsense and had no basis to the actual budget. There was some complete jokes in there.

Sucking Chest Wound Wrote:
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> If things are so bad then why are so few employees
> leaving Fairfax County Schools?


Because local districts are in a racket together. You have to sign your contract for the next year before hiring season starts. So unless you know somebody and are guaranteed a job elsewhere or are willing to gamble, you can't move. But many are still leaving, hence the massive hiring deficits.

Sucking Chest Wound Wrote:
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> If things are so bad then why are so few employees
> leaving Fairfax County Schools?


Pretty funny that school employees living in Woodbridge and beyond would rather commute up here than work down there.

Sucking Chest Wound Wrote:
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> If things are so bad then why are so few employees
> leaving Fairfax County Schools?


many people leave all the time, and alot of the positions either go unfilled or is filled by unqualified people

Too Many Teachers Wrote:
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> As long as we have 40 qualified applicants for
> every open teacher position, we have no need to
> raise wages.


This number is not true and is a lie. most positions only have around 10 to 15 applications and usually only 1 or 2 of them are even worth to interview yet alone to hire and the position is readvertised.

The Board of Supervisors should CUT the FCPS budget by 2.7% and tell FCPS to figure it out. Then they can approve line item spending throughout the year when justified.

The FCPS lobbying groups are all over the news this morning trying to justify this shameful budget.

The BoS is Smarter Wrote:
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> The Board of Supervisors should CUT the FCPS
> budget by 2.7% and tell FCPS to figure it out.
> Then they can approve line item spending
> throughout the year when justified.


You ain't a smart one, is ya? Underfunded schools lowers qualify of life. Lower qualify of life means less wealthy people. Less wealthy people means less tax income. Less tax income means less for BoS. Was that clear enough for you?

But the BoS would rather buy hundreds of Capital Bikeshares for Tysons. Where are people going to ride those?

Education is Job #1 Wrote:
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> Had you watched, you would have known that the
> "massive 4.8 percent increase" is the smallest
> increase requested by any school system in the
> area,

Lie. FCPS is requesting the largest increase by far.

lies Wrote:
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> Education is Job #1 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > Had you watched, you would have known that the
> > "massive 4.8 percent increase" is the smallest
> > increase requested by any school system in the
> > area,
>
> Lie. FCPS is requesting the largest increase by
> far.


Prove it.

The snickering throughout the meeting indicated that this farce was all planned out beforehand. The meeting was just a show for decisions that were secretly made earlier.

Not that FCPS would be expected to follow the law on open meetings.

HET Wrote:
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> lies Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Education is Job #1 Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> >
> > > Had you watched, you would have known that
> the
> > > "massive 4.8 percent increase" is the
> smallest
> > > increase requested by any school system in
> the
> > > area,
> >
> > Lie. FCPS is requesting the largest increase
> by
> > far.
>
>
> Prove it.


No, you are the one who lied by saying "is the
> smallest increase requested by any school system in the area,"
so you get to provide the numbers to support your claim.

HET Wrote:
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> The BoS is Smarter Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----

>
> You ain't a smart one, is ya? Underfunded schools
> lowers qualify of life. Lower qualify of life
> means less wealthy people. Less wealthy people
> means less tax income. Less tax income means less
> for BoS. Was that clear enough for you?


Now you are just being stupid.

I watched Wrote:
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> The snickering throughout the meeting indicated
> that this farce was all planned out beforehand.
> The meeting was just a show for decisions that
> were secretly made earlier.
>
> Not that FCPS would be expected to follow the law
> on open meetings.


They are exempt from the open meetings laws. Didn't you know that?

Deep! Wrote:
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> Too Many Teachers Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > As long as we have 40 qualified applicants for
> > every open teacher position, we have no need to
> > raise wages.
>
>
> This number is not true and is a lie. most
> positions only have around 10 to 15 applications
> and usually only 1 or 2 of them are even worth to
> interview yet alone to hire and the position is
> readvertised.

Wrong again bucko. Call 571-423-4510 if you want to know the truth, which is that there are often hundreds of applications for positions, with many qualified applicants.

There are numerous documented accounts of qualified applicants not even receiving a response.

========== Wrote:
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> I watched Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The snickering throughout the meeting indicated
> > that this farce was all planned out beforehand.
>
> > The meeting was just a show for decisions that
> > were secretly made earlier.
> >
> > Not that FCPS would be expected to follow the
> law
> > on open meetings.
>
>
> They are exempt from the open meetings laws.
> Didn't you know that?


Yeppp. Just like they are exempt from FOIA.

FCPS has so many applicants that they don't even need to post the list of openings until May for the following year. Don't believe me? See:

http://careers.fcps.edu/gateway.htm?tg=inst

Too Many Applicants Wrote:
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> FCPS has so many applicants that they don't even
> need to post the list of openings until May for
> the following year. Don't believe me? See:
>
> http://careers.fcps.edu/gateway.htm?tg=inst


Appears you are correct. Total current job openings for 2015-2016: TWO. Both are for substitute teachers.

The truth hurts Wrote:
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> Deep! Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Too Many Teachers Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > As long as we have 40 qualified applicants
> for
> > > every open teacher position, we have no need
> to
> > > raise wages.
> >
> >
> > This number is not true and is a lie. most
> > positions only have around 10 to 15
> applications
> > and usually only 1 or 2 of them are even worth
> to
> > interview yet alone to hire and the position is
> > readvertised.
>
> Wrong again bucko. Call 571-423-4510 if you want
> to know the truth, which is that there are often
> hundreds of applications for positions, with many
> qualified applicants.
>
> There are numerous documented accounts of
> qualified applicants not even receiving a
> response

qualified according to whom? applications go through many steps before considering an interview. APplications are first sent to HR. HR then deems if they are qualified or not. The ones who qualify are sent to the department that is hiring. The department lead this sifts through those HR sent applications for further screening on the position they are seeking. I've been through this process myself many times, once for original hire and than another 5 times for each promotion i've gotten. I have also lead this process and know how it works. Many applications sent down to the department level is nowhere near qualified for the position they are seeking. To even have an interview we have to have at least 3 canidates if we can't come up with 3 canidates that are qualified to interview than the position is readvertised. This happens many times over in my department. I've seen one position listed for the last 3 years and was just recently filled because they finally decided to reuse it for another purpose since no one was applying for that particular position.

You may be right Wrote:
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> Too Many Applicants Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > FCPS has so many applicants that they don't
> even
> > need to post the list of openings until May for
> > the following year. Don't believe me? See:
> >
> > http://careers.fcps.edu/gateway.htm?tg=inst
>
>
> Appears you are correct. Total current job
> openings for 2015-2016: TWO. Both are for
> substitute teachers.

just for teachers alone their are currently 81 listings,

The truth hurts Wrote:
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> Wrong again bucko. Call 571-423-4510 if you want to know the truth,
> which is that there are often hundreds of applications for positions,
> with many qualified applicants. There are numerous documented
> accounts of qualified applicants not even receiving a response.

The number of trash-applicants skyrocketed with the recession and has only partly abated since. It turns out that those who whine about the evils and perils of some "cradle-to-grave nanny state" want all those sorts of protections once their own asses are on the line. But few if any of them have anything at all to offer FCPS or its students. They were in the private sector because they were flunkies to begin with. and they still are flunkies. FCPS has no use for them. This isn't the WPA.

As for phone numbers, you might want to call 703-383-8500 to schedule a GAP SMI Screening.

Deep! Wrote:
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> You may be right Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Too Many Applicants Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > FCPS has so many applicants that they don't
> > even
> > > need to post the list of openings until May
> for
> > > the following year. Don't believe me? See:
> > >
> > > http://careers.fcps.edu/gateway.htm?tg=inst
> >
> >
> > Appears you are correct. Total current job
> > openings for 2015-2016: TWO. Both are for
> > substitute teachers.
>
> just for teachers alone their are currently 81
> listings,

also just because positions may get filled anyways does not mean they are qualified and the best of the best. most positions now are filled by the best of the worst

FCPS has so many qualified applicants that even their job fair is by invitation only.

http://www.fcps.edu/hr/employment/recruitment/jobfair.shtml

Deep! Wrote:
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> School Board Watch Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> They urged the School Board
> > to act like adults and make the responsible
> > decisions they are paid to do.
>
>
> This budget is doing exactly what is urged. The
> school board is voted in to represent what is best
> for the residents and their kids education not
> what the board of supervisors wants them to do.
> The majority of the public supports FCPS and wants
> them to be fully funded and the BOS knows this
> full and well and will spin it as much as they can
> so they don't get labeled as the bad guys by not
> funding the budget request. I guarantee you if
> this budget increase was put to a public vote it
> would pass somewhere around 60 percent yay to 40
> percent nay.

hogwash

>
> hogwash


until you can say why than your opinion is not valid

Deep! Wrote:
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> You may be right Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Too Many Applicants Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > FCPS has so many applicants that they don't
> > even
> > > need to post the list of openings until May
> for
> > > the following year. Don't believe me? See:
> > >
> > > http://careers.fcps.edu/gateway.htm?tg=inst
> >
> >
> > Appears you are correct. Total current job
> > openings for 2015-2016: TWO. Both are for
> > substitute teachers.
>
> just for teachers alone their are currently 81
> listings,


Can you even read? Those 81 slots are the dummy positions posted in November for the 2016-17 hiring season, which has not begun yet.

Two current teaching offerings. Two. Both are substitute positions.

Job Fair ! Wrote:
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> FCPS has so many qualified applicants that even
> their job fair is by invitation only.
>
> http://www.fcps.edu/hr/employment/recruitment/jobf
> air.shtml


it is invitation only for a purpose, they don't want those not truly interested in showing and wasting their time. As one poster said, FCPS gets a lot of losers trying to apply for the benefits, these losers are no where near qualified and simply waste alot of time and frankly tax payer money having a staff review them.

Reading is Fundamental Wrote:
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> Deep! Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > You may be right Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Too Many Applicants Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > FCPS has so many applicants that they don't
> > > even
> > > > need to post the list of openings until May
> > for
> > > > the following year. Don't believe me?
> See:
> > > >
> > > > http://careers.fcps.edu/gateway.htm?tg=inst
> > >
> > >
> > > Appears you are correct. Total current job
> > > openings for 2015-2016: TWO. Both are for
> > > substitute teachers.
> >
> > just for teachers alone their are currently 81
> > listings,
>
>
> Can you even read? Those 81 slots are the dummy
> positions posted in November for the 2016-17
> hiring season, which has not begun yet.
>
> Two current teaching offerings. Two. Both are
> substitute positions.


Because there is no point in hiring and on-boarding a person at this point of the school year. As mentioned above, actual positions are posted May to February, so they were just taken down.

Reading is Fundamental Wrote:
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> Deep! Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > You may be right Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Too Many Applicants Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > FCPS has so many applicants that they don't
> > > even
> > > > need to post the list of openings until May
> > for
> > > > the following year. Don't believe me?
> See:
> > > >
> > > > http://careers.fcps.edu/gateway.htm?tg=inst
> > >
> > >
> > > Appears you are correct. Total current job
> > > openings for 2015-2016: TWO. Both are for
> > > substitute teachers.
> >
> > just for teachers alone their are currently 81
> > listings,
>
>
> Can you even read? Those 81 slots are the dummy
> positions posted in November for the 2016-17
> hiring season, which has not begun yet.
>
> Two current teaching offerings. Two. Both are
> substitute positions.

They are not dummy positions, they are positions that need to be filled for the following year due to the current occupant already schedule to either retire or leave to go elsewhere. \

You do realize that some positions are known in advanced if they will be needed or not. Retirement is a scheduled event and does not happen at the spur of the moment for one.

use your brain a bit here and think of common sense.

And that's still 81 titles (and likely multiple positions for each) that they anticipate needing.

Having raised four students through FCPS, had them take the remedial classes needed to survive freshman year in college, I can tell you that 100% of the "new" teachers they had in FCPS were great. The incompetent lazy teachers were the ones who had been around for too many years.

FCPS needs an incentive program that encourages the old dead wood to go away.

Sorry But I Live Here Wrote:
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> FCPS needs an incentive program that encourages
> the old dead wood to go away.


i will agree with that to some extent. A lot of the older teachers are very hesitant to use the newer technology for teaching which IMO does hurt the student this day of age.

Deep! Wrote:
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> Reading is Fundamental Wrote:
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> > Deep! Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > You may be right Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > Too Many Applicants Wrote:
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > >
> > > > -----
> > > > > FCPS has so many applicants that they
> don't
> > > > even
> > > > > need to post the list of openings until
> May
> > > for
> > > > > the following year. Don't believe me?
> > See:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> http://careers.fcps.edu/gateway.htm?tg=inst
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Appears you are correct. Total current job
> > > > openings for 2015-2016: TWO. Both are for
> > > > substitute teachers.
> > >
> > > just for teachers alone their are currently
> 81
> > > listings,
> >
> >
> > Can you even read? Those 81 slots are the
> dummy
> > positions posted in November for the 2016-17
> > hiring season, which has not begun yet.
> >
> > Two current teaching offerings. Two. Both are
> > substitute positions.
>
> They are not dummy positions, they are positions
> that need to be filled for the following year due
> to the current occupant already schedule to either
> retire or leave to go elsewhere. \
>
> You do realize that some positions are known in
> advanced if they will be needed or not.
> Retirement is a scheduled event and does not
> happen at the spur of the moment for one.
>
> use your brain a bit here and think of common
> sense.

Wrong again. Look a little closer and you will see that they are just a list of potential positions. No quantities, no locations, and no way to apply for them yet.

Not saying that some of these positions won't eventually need to be filled, but no one is saying which ones at this time.

Benefits Wrote:
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> The FCPS budget would be balanced if the employees
> contributed a mere 2% of their benefits costs.

That sort of TEA Party corporatist crap won't fly anymore. Worked for a while, but then people started to catch on.

> Wrong again. Look a little closer and you will
> see that they are just a list of potential
> positions. No quantities, no locations, and no
> way to apply for them yet.
>
> Not saying that some of these positions won't
> eventually need to be filled, but no one is saying
> which ones at this time.

i think being in the position i am in i know more than you do on the matter.

Whether you choose to believe the FACTS or not is of your choosing.

HET Wrote:
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> Because there is no point in hiring and
> on-boarding a person at this point of the school
> year. As mentioned above, actual positions are
> posted May to February, so they were just taken
> down.

Actually it's because there is an extensive waiting list of already screened well-qualified applicants who can start tomorrow if a teacher unexpectedly leaves today.

The musical chairs game beginning in May always leaves people standing when all the seats are filled and the music stops. Those are the ones who get their second choice in neighboring counties.

Gawd Aweful Wrote:
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> The school board completely ignored the facts of
> wasteful spending pointed out by the community.
> Now they want our support for more spending? Fuck
> off!

"The community" is characterized by large numbers of hopeless, ignorant assholes, of which you may be a very good example. We have a school board at all so that morons like you will NOT have an actual say in things. Get used to it.

Deep! Wrote:
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> i think being in the position i am in i know more
> than you do on the matter.
>

And what position might that be?

One that allows you to post on an anonymous message board for a couple of hours during the workday?

Too stupid Wrote:
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> Gawd Aweful Wrote:

> "The community" is characterized by large numbers
> of hopeless, ignorant assholes, of which you may
> be a very good example.

That is certainly the opinion of most of those on the school board, and sadly their staff.

Fortunately we have a state school board and local board of supervisors to add some balance to the discussion.

Deep! Troll!!! Wrote:
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> Deep! Wrote:
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> -----
>
> > i think being in the position i am in i know
> more
> > than you do on the matter.
> >
>
> And what position might that be?
>
> One that allows you to post on an anonymous
> message board for a couple of hours during the
> workday?


yes that is correct, does not mean i cannot handle more than one thing at once.

The BoS is Smarter Wrote:
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> The Board of Supervisors should CUT the FCPS budget by 2.7% and
> tell FCPS to figure it out. Then they can approve line item
> spending throughout the year when justified.

That's the sort of dumbass thinking that got us into this mess to begin with. You could understand it back at the beginning, as the effects of the Great Recession that Bush and the moron Republicans dumped us into had to be accounted for somehow. But all that has long been in the rear-view mirror now, and the "restore and reinvest" paradigm is the only one that makes any long-term sense.

OP seems to have hit a nerve over at Gatehouse. Good job!

Great Thread! Wrote:
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> OP seems to have hit a nerve over at Gatehouse.
> Good job!

i've been most of the PRO FCPS response in this thread. However i do not work over at Gatehouse. Guess again!

HET Wrote:
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> But the BoS would rather buy hundreds of Capital Bikeshares for
> Tysons. Where are people going to ride those?

Not on 7 or 123. And their cars won't be there either, which is sort of the point. It's amazing how much has to be explained to stupid people.

Grow up, dummy... Wrote:
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> The BoS is Smarter Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The Board of Supervisors should CUT the FCPS
> budget by 2.7% and
> > tell FCPS to figure it out. Then they can
> approve line item
> > spending throughout the year when justified.
>
> That's the sort of dumbass thinking that got us
> into this mess to begin with. You could
> understand it back at the beginning, as the
> effects of the Great Recession that Bush and the
> moron Republicans dumped us into had to be
> accounted for somehow. But all that has long been
> in the rear-view mirror now, and the "restore and
> reinvest" paradigm is the only one that makes any
> long-term sense.

see i'm not with you on blaming bush and i'm not going to get into my political views on the matter but to say the least i am Republican and upon contrary to what some of you may believe by my posts in this thread supporting FCPS. I am a Tea Party conservatist. I'm just realistic on the matter and don't take it to the level of the stupidity the far right wingers take it too.

Grow up, dummy... Wrote:
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> That's the sort of dumbass thinking that got us
> into this mess to begin with. You could
> understand it back at the beginning, as the
> effects of the Great Recession that Bush and the
> moron Republicans dumped us into had to be
> accounted for somehow. But all that has long been
> in the rear-view mirror now, and the "restore and
> reinvest" paradigm is the only one that makes any
> long-term sense.


of course! Now I understand. What you are saying is that because the school board has been controlled by DEMOCRATS for the past 15 years that it's all the fault of President BUSH and the REPUBLICANS.

Makes perfectly good sense to me.

Not.

It had nothing to do with a bunch of whiny school board members putting so much time into gender-selected bathrooms, changing start times, and other nonsense that they became even more clueless on how to set good policy for our schools. Shameful.

lies Wrote:
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> Lie. FCPS is requesting the largest increase by far.

Come back when you've learned what the meaning of the word "percent" is.

Fuck off, douchebag... Wrote:
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> lies Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Lie. FCPS is requesting the largest increase by
> far.
>
> Come back when you've learned what the meaning of
> the word "percent" is.

From the New SAT: Janey has a budget that is 40% larger than Stevey's. Harold's budget is 10% less than Stevey's, and Norm's budget is 5% greater than Harold's. Janey wants to claim that her requested budget increase is less than the others. If Janey uses percentages to compare her requested increase to her neighbors, she knows that she can demand millions of dollars of increased spending, yet her budget increase will appear to be less than her neighbors. If Janey increases her budget by 4.8%, and the others increase their budgets by 5.2%, who will have the largest budget spending in real dollars?

I think you meant, "budget spending INCREASE in real dollars?"

lies Wrote:
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> No, you are the one who lied by saying "is the smallest increase
> requested by any school system in the area," so you get to provide
> the numbers to support your claim.

So you need a nanny here, do you? How totally unsurprising. Last night's board meeting will be re-aired tonight at 7:00 on Channel 21. Experience what it's like to actually LEARN SOMETHING for a change by tuning in and listening as Ilyong Moon ticks off all the other increase percentages requested by other districts in NoVa. They range up to 12%, and all of them are larger than ours. Now back to your regularly scheduled stupidity.

You are correct. How about this?


From the New SAT: Janey has a budget that is 40% larger than Stevey's. Harold's budget is 10% less than Stevey's, and Norm's budget is 5% greater than Harold's. Janey wants to claim that her requested budget increase is less than the others. If Janey uses percentages to compare her requested increase to her neighbors, she knows that she can demand millions of dollars of increased spending, yet her budget increase will appear to be less than her neighbors. If Janey increases her budget by 4.8%, and the others increase their budgets by 5.2%, who will have the largest budget spending INCREASE in real dollars?

Useless fathead Wrote:
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> lies Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > No, you are the one who lied by saying "is the
> smallest increase
> > requested by any school system in the area," so
> you get to provide
> > the numbers to support your claim.
>
> So you need a nanny here, do you? How totally
> unsurprising. Last night's board meeting will be
> re-aired tonight at 7:00 on Channel 21.
> Experience what it's like to actually LEARN
> SOMETHING for a change by tuning in and listening
> as Ilyong Moon ticks off all the other increase
> percentages requested by other districts in NoVa.
> They range up to 12%, and all of them are larger
> than ours. Now back to your regularly scheduled
> stupidity.

I watched him do that last night, and thought at the time that he would be more credible if he used real numbers instead of percentages.

But as was said earlier, the entire session was a farce, as you could tell by the snickers. And notice that the budget staff person who objected to the presentation said nothing. Still employed today though.

Useless fathead Wrote:
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> lies Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > No, you are the one who lied by saying "is the
> smallest increase
> > requested by any school system in the area," so
> you get to provide
> > the numbers to support your claim.
>
> So you need a nanny here, do you? How totally
> unsurprising. Last night's board meeting will be
> re-aired tonight at 7:00 on Channel 21.
> Experience what it's like to actually LEARN
> SOMETHING for a change by tuning in and listening
> as Ilyong Moon ticks off all the other increase
> percentages requested by other districts in NoVa.
> They range up to 12%, and all of them are larger
> than ours. Now back to your regularly scheduled
> stupidity.

Ilryong Moon barely speaks English. Chop chop.

Pee Wee Einuis Wrote:
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>
> Ilryong Moon barely speaks English. Chop chop.


Sure is a lot of vacant office space around his building in Annandale. All those highly educated FCPS students must be locating their businesses somewhere else.

HET = Gatehouse SAu Wrote:
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> Now you are just being stupid.

No, moron. The economic health and well-being of the County has been and will continue to be built upon the foundation -- weak or strong -- provided by the quality of of our local schools. Upscale businesses and the high-paying jobs that come with them are a key to keeping tax rates low because they help keep the tax base high. But if the schools sag, businesses won't come here and won't be bringing their highly paid people with them. Who will have to fill in that Gap? YOU will, dummy, YOU will.

Serious question: Is there really anything the Board of Supervisors can do to cause the School Board to create a more responsible budget, other than cutting the transfer amount?

Serious Question Wrote:
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> Serious question: Is there really anything the
> Board of Supervisors can do to cause the School
> Board to create a more responsible budget, other
> than cutting the transfer amount?

Not that it doesn't matter, but the school board represents a much smaller constituency than the Board of Supervisors, the BoS provided guidance to FCPS which apparently was ignored, and Sharon Bulova and others said long ago that a transfer to support 4.8% budget increase was not going to happen.

The school board is wasting a lot of valuable time and money playing games.

The phony and unoriginal FATHEAD Too stupid Wrote:
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> That is certainly the opinion of most of those on the school board,
> and sadly their staff. Fortunately we have a state school board
> and local board of supervisors to add some balance to the discussion.

There is absolutely no question that "the community" is characterized by the shrieking voices of the worst sorts of flash-mob know-nothing magpies. Our government at every level is in fact set up so as to EXCLUDE the babble-voices of the masses from any sort of actual decision-making. Keep in mind that direct democracy may very well be the worst of all possible forms of government. This is why we rely on representative forms of government, but I'm sure you didn't know that.

The danger is that those shrieking voices of past years are now on the school board, and two are on the BoS.

Responsible Government is in serious trouble, and professional non-partisan staffers are scared.

Possible Answer Wrote:
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> Serious Question Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Serious question: Is there really anything the
> > Board of Supervisors can do to cause the School
> > Board to create a more responsible budget,
> other
> > than cutting the transfer amount?
>
> Not that it doesn't matter, but the school board
> represents a much smaller constituency than the
> Board of Supervisors, the BoS provided guidance to
> FCPS which apparently was ignored, and Sharon
> Bulova and others said long ago that a transfer to
> support 4.8% budget increase was not going to
> happen.
>
> The school board is wasting a lot of valuable time
> and money playing games.

The school board is doing their job trying to support the local school system, The board of supervisors is also doing their job to uspport the entire local government.

The real issue here is not the local government but the state government. The state gives alot more money to local school districts in counties not considered in North Virginia. Their excuse is NOVA has a higher tax base and can afford to do with less but the truth of the matter is if the state gave the same percentage they give to all other counties we would not be having this discussion. The budget would be fully funded and you guys would have to find something else to bitch about.

it pretty much works like this

SOB bitches to BOS
BOS bitches to state
State bitches to feds
Feds slap state
State slap BOS
BOS Slap SOB
repeat following year

Deep! Wrote:
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> see i'm not with you on blaming bush and i'm not
> going to get into my political views on the matter
> but to say the least i am Republican and upon
> contrary to what some of you may believe by my
> posts in this thread supporting FCPS. I am a Tea
> Party conservatist. I'm just realistic on the
> matter and don't take it to the level of the
> stupidity the far right wingers take it too.

That's all very well, even if rather misguided in some parts, but the historical record is quite clear in that the Great Recession was what prompted large cuts in FCPS budgets as overall county revenues fell. That much may have been fair for a time, but the dark cloud has blown over now, and we do indeed need a "restore and reinvest" paradigm in order to get ourselves back in the ballgame. Others are already moving faster than we are here, so time is of the essence.

Grow up, dummy... Wrote:
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> Deep! Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > see i'm not with you on blaming bush and i'm
> not
> > going to get into my political views on the
> matter
> > but to say the least i am Republican and upon
> > contrary to what some of you may believe by my
> > posts in this thread supporting FCPS. I am a
> Tea
> > Party conservatist. I'm just realistic on the
> > matter and don't take it to the level of the
> > stupidity the far right wingers take it too.
>
> That's all very well, even if rather misguided in
> some parts, but the historical record is quite
> clear in that the Great Recession was what
> prompted large cuts in FCPS budgets as overall
> county revenues fell. That much may have been
> fair for a time, but the dark cloud has blown over
> now, and we do indeed need a "restore and
> reinvest" paradigm in order to get ourselves back
> in the ballgame. Others are already moving faster
> than we are here, so time is of the essence.

yes i agree the recession is what prompted the issues with FCPS, i just do not agree with blaming bush or his administration as the recession cause. It happened on his watch yes but the causes were well entrenched for a decade previously.

Big Pile of Idiots Here Today Wrote:
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> of course! Now I understand. What you are saying is that
> because the school board has been controlled by DEMOCRATS for
> the past 15 years that it's all the fault of President BUSH
> and the REPUBLICANS.

Wake up, Mr. Van Winkle. The collapse of the US and global economies that occurred now nearly a decade ago was the direct result of the really dumb policies of Bush-43 and various dipstick insouciant members of his entirely maladroit administration. The impacts of their Great Recession created job, income, and property value losses that undercut Fairfax County revenues and hence the County's ability to pay for critical services including education. That's what put FCPS behind the 8-ball, and the simple facts of the matter are that it was 100% Republican doing.

> It had nothing to do with a bunch of whiny school board
> members putting so much time into gender-selected bathrooms,
> changing start times, and other nonsense that they became
> even more clueless on how to set good policy for our schools.
> Shameful.

The idea that gender issues have actual significance is stupid fear-mongering found only on the likes of Townhall.com. In reality, it's a complete non-issue. The change in school start times was meanwhile spearheaded by your stupid ignorant right-wing neighbors who were bamboozled by outright hoaxers at SLEEP, Inc. into believing that high school kids were being harmed somehow by being the first kids to ride the buses each day while uncaring FCPS bureaucrats just stood by and let it all happen. You meddling populist fatheads brought that whole debacle down on your own stupid selves. But at least we did get a couple dozen needed new buses out of the deal.

Welcome to the debate, Gerry. We needed some dumbing down.

Grow up, dummy... Wrote:
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> Wake up, Mr. Van Winkle. The collapse of the US
> and global economies that occurred now nearly a
> decade ago was the direct result of the really
> dumb policies of Bush-43 and various dipstick
> insouciant members of his entirely maladroit
> administration. The impacts of their Great
> Recession created job, income, and property value
> losses that undercut Fairfax County revenues and
> hence the County's ability to pay for critical
> services including education. That's what put
> FCPS behind the 8-ball, and the simple facts of
> the matter are that it was 100% Republican doing.
>
> > It had nothing to do with a bunch of whiny
> school board
> > members putting so much time into
> gender-selected bathrooms,
> > changing start times, and other nonsense that
> they became
> > even more clueless on how to set good policy for
> our schools.
> > Shameful.
>
> The idea that gender issues have actual
> significance is stupid fear-mongering found only
> on the likes of Townhall.com. In reality, it's a
> complete non-issue. The change in school start
> times was meanwhile spearheaded by your stupid
> ignorant right-wing neighbors who were bamboozled
> by outright hoaxers at SLEEP, Inc. into believing
> that high school kids were being harmed somehow by
> being the first kids to ride the buses each day
> while uncaring FCPS bureaucrats just stood by and
> let it all happen. You meddling populist fatheads
> brought that whole debacle down on your own stupid
> selves. But at least we did get a couple dozen
> needed new buses out of the deal.


i don't know how it could have been bush fault when the causes for the recession was entrenched for a decade previous. The real cause was the housing act signed in 1990's that made it easy for the banks to give loans to low or non qualifing citizens. This created the housing bubble and was all well and good for years until 2006 when the property market started to crash which in turn caused citizens to start defaulting on their bank loans which in turn started to crash the banks thus the need for the bail outs etc. None of this magically happened because of something Bush or his administration dids, he even warned of the possibility in his campaign in 2004 but repub congress then nor the dem congress that took over in 2006 did anything about it.

Notice i did not blame anyone specifically. The problem with our government is not one particular administration or one particular party. They all are guilty of it, Most republicans and democrats have the same philosphy there is no real seperation between the parties establishments anymore. This is why the politics are what they are today.

Most of this issue comes to the life long politicians. We really need to put term limits on every federal government political position and get fresh faces every few years. Faces that have to fight to win and will have to work for the people to keep his job. Let's face it, politicians today do not believe their employers are the people, they most think we are here to serve them. which is sad.

lies Wrote:
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> I watched him do that last night, and thought at
> the time that he would be more credible if he used
> real numbers instead of percentages.

That's in part because you are in fact a useless fathead who doesn't begin to understand the difference between absolute and relative numbers. You of course fully admit now also that you indeed knew that the original statement was true in its entirety, but chose to object to it anyway on the basis of your pathetic mathematical ignorance. What a hapless dumbshit.

(For future reference, area school systems vary considerably by size. Hence the best way to gauge the scope of their respective requested increases is to compare them in percentage terms.)

> But as was said earlier, the entire session was a
> farce, as you could tell by the snickers. And
> notice that the budget staff person who objected
> to the presentation said nothing. Still employed
> today though.

Snickers? Go fuck yourself, you ridiculous ignorant dumbass. How do you even manage to wipe your butt after taking a dump? The budget-oriented part of last night's session was actually quite somber in its tone, as even those whose knee-jerk inner leanings are toward fiscal conservatism understand that we are at something of a crossroads here. Our schools have been put at serious risk, and it is in fact the school board's job to stand up and advocate for our schools and for the well-being of those who work and learn within them. We'll see if the Board of Supervisors takes note, or if an era of open warfare between the two bodies is about to unfold.

Deep! Wrote:
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> >
> > We will see how happy everyone is when the next
> > real estate tax bill arrives. The increases are
> > needed because of the trespassers that have
> > invaded our southern border. A few years ago
> the
> > student population was decreasing, schools were
> > being shuttered or converted to other purposes.
> > Where this will all end is a school system like
> > most inner cities have. Ask a few educators
> that
> > have been watching this unfold.
>
>
> FCPS student population has increased every year i
> have work for FCPS and that is almost 15 years
> now. There has only been 1 school closure that
> has not been replaced and that was Clifton ES.
> There actually has been more schools opened in the
> last 10 years.
>
> The following new schools have been built in the
> last 10 years to accomodate student growth
>
> South County HS
> South County MS
> Coates ES
> Mason Crest ES
>
> with 3 new schools slotted to be built or open
> within the next 5 years. This is only new schools
> not counting the many that undergo rennovations
> and additions every year.


What you say is true but if you do a little more research (because FCPS did exist before you joined it) go back to the 80s when several schools were converted because of shrinking enrollment . But then the Asian invasion changed that. Now with the new wave it is no surprise it is busting at the seams.

Possible Answer Wrote:
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> The school board is wasting a lot of valuable time
> and money playing games.

It isn't games, dumbass. The BoS has spent a decade now carving its other
sometimes legitimate wants and needs out of the core funding of FCPS. But this is a recipe for long-term disaster, for both the County and its taxpayers. If you are too cheap to pay for feed for the goose that lays the golden eggs, you are not going to make out very well in this world. The time has come for the school board to look in the mirror and stand up for what it knows full well needs to be done here.

Shrieking Voices Wrote:
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> The danger is that those shrieking voices of past years
> are now on the school board, and two are on the BoS.
> Responsible Government is in serious trouble, and
> professional non-partisan staffers are scared.

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Deep! Wrote:
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> yes i agree the recession is what prompted the
> issues with FCPS, i just do not agree with blaming
> bush or his administration as the recession cause.
> It happened on his watch yes but the causes were
> well entrenched for a decade previously.

Separate discussion, but no, they were not. The seeds of the Great Recession were sown between 2002 and 2006. Cowboy capitalists on Wall Street, and crude and unseeing free-marketeers in Washington are the ones who did it all. Layers of crap about CRA and GLB and CFMA are pointless deflections and nothing more.

check your facts Wrote:
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> Deep! Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > >
> > > We will see how happy everyone is when the
> next
> > > real estate tax bill arrives. The increases
> are
> > > needed because of the trespassers that have
> > > invaded our southern border. A few years ago
> > the
> > > student population was decreasing, schools
> were
> > > being shuttered or converted to other
> purposes.
> > > Where this will all end is a school system
> like
> > > most inner cities have. Ask a few educators
> > that
> > > have been watching this unfold.
> >
> >
> > FCPS student population has increased every year
> i
> > have work for FCPS and that is almost 15 years
> > now. There has only been 1 school closure that
> > has not been replaced and that was Clifton ES.
> > There actually has been more schools opened in
> the
> > last 10 years.
> >
> > The following new schools have been built in
> the
> > last 10 years to accomodate student growth
> >
> > South County HS
> > South County MS
> > Coates ES
> > Mason Crest ES
> >
> > with 3 new schools slotted to be built or open
> > within the next 5 years. This is only new
> schools
> > not counting the many that undergo rennovations
> > and additions every year.
>
>
> What you say is true but if you do a little more
> research (because FCPS did exist before you joined
> it) go back to the 80s when several schools were
> converted because of shrinking enrollment . But
> then the Asian invasion changed that. Now with the
> new wave it is no surprise it is busting at the
> seams.

we are not talking about the 80s, i don't care about the 80's. We are currently talking the present and recent trends not ancient history.

Grow up, dummy... Wrote:
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> Deep! Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > yes i agree the recession is what prompted the
> > issues with FCPS, i just do not agree with
> blaming
> > bush or his administration as the recession
> cause.
> > It happened on his watch yes but the causes
> were
> > well entrenched for a decade previously.
>
> Separate discussion, but no, they were not. The
> seeds of the Great Recession were sown between
> 2002 and 2006. Cowboy capitalists on Wall Street,
> and crude and unseeing free-marketeers in
> Washington are the ones who did it all. Layers of
> crap about CRA and GLB and CFMA are pointless
> deflections and nothing more.

like you said, seperate discussion though mine would be based on facts not personal views.

Deep! Wrote:
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> check your facts Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Deep! Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > >
> > > > We will see how happy everyone is when the
> > next
> > > > real estate tax bill arrives. The increases
> > are
> > > > needed because of the trespassers that have
> > > > invaded our southern border. A few years
> ago
> > > the
> > > > student population was decreasing, schools
> > were
> > > > being shuttered or converted to other
> > purposes.
> > > > Where this will all end is a school system
> > like
> > > > most inner cities have. Ask a few educators
> > > that
> > > > have been watching this unfold.
> > >
> > >
> > > FCPS student population has increased every
> year
> > i
> > > have work for FCPS and that is almost 15
> years
> > > now. There has only been 1 school closure
> that
> > > has not been replaced and that was Clifton ES.
>
> > > There actually has been more schools opened
> in
> > the
> > > last 10 years.
> > >
> > > The following new schools have been built in
> > the
> > > last 10 years to accomodate student growth
> > >
> > > South County HS
> > > South County MS
> > > Coates ES
> > > Mason Crest ES
> > >
> > > with 3 new schools slotted to be built or
> open
> > > within the next 5 years. This is only new
> > schools
> > > not counting the many that undergo
> rennovations
> > > and additions every year.
> >
> >
> > What you say is true but if you do a little
> more
> > research (because FCPS did exist before you
> joined
> > it) go back to the 80s when several schools
> were
> > converted because of shrinking enrollment .
> But
> > then the Asian invasion changed that. Now with
> the
> > new wave it is no surprise it is busting at the
> > seams.
>
> we are not talking about the 80s, i don't care
> about the 80's. We are currently talking the
> present and recent trends not ancient history.


Well the recent trend you speak ofcis an influx of illegal trespassers that are swamping an already overburdened system. Maybe you should try looking at the past to improve the future as it does have a tendency to repeat itself. Short sighted people as yourself are really part of the problem.

Deep! Wrote:
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> like you said, seperate discussion though mine
> would be based on facts not personal views.

"Facts" provided by excusifying right-wing propaganda mills? The entire CRA meme for instance was invented out of whole cloth by Thomas DiLorenzo of the infamous Mises Institute. Back in the real world, there is little actual question as to where the crisis came from. But we can agree to disagree on that, as the facts of the dire straits being confronted by FCPS and the School Board are more important matters at the moment.

Useless fathead Wrote:
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> lies Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I watched him do that last night, and thought
> at
> > the time that he would be more credible if he
> used
> > real numbers instead of percentages.
>
> That's in part because you are in fact a useless
> fathead who doesn't begin to understand the
> difference between absolute and relative numbers.
> You of course fully admit now also that you indeed
> knew that the original statement was true in its
> entirety, but chose to object to it anyway on the
> basis of your pathetic mathematical ignorance.
> What a hapless dumbshit.
>
> (For future reference, area school systems vary
> considerably by size. Hence the best way to gauge
> the scope of their respective requested increases
> is to compare them in percentage terms.)
>
> > But as was said earlier, the entire session was
> a
> > farce, as you could tell by the snickers. And
> > notice that the budget staff person who
> objected
> > to the presentation said nothing. Still
> employed
> > today though.
>
> Snickers? Go fuck yourself, you ridiculous
> ignorant dumbass. How do you even manage to wipe
> your butt after taking a dump? The
> budget-oriented part of last night's session was
> actually quite somber in its tone, as even those
> whose knee-jerk inner leanings are toward fiscal
> conservatism understand that we are at something
> of a crossroads here. Our schools have been put
> at serious risk, and it is in fact the school
> board's job to stand up and advocate for our
> schools and for the well-being of those who work
> and learn within them. We'll see if the Board of
> Supervisors takes note, or if an era of open
> warfare between the two bodies is about to unfold.


Open warfare, I can't wait for this.

"Cry 'Havoc', and let slip the dogs of war".

"Turn around, you dog from hell, turn around".

thats funny Wrote:
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> Well the recent trend you speak ofcis an influx of illegal
> trespassers that are swamping an already overburdened system.
> Maybe you should try looking at the past to improve the future
> as it does have a tendency to repeat itself. Short sighted
> people as yourself are really part of the problem.

The numbers of your "illegal trespassers" have been declining for a while now. The rate of increase in FCPS total enrollment has also been slowing. Basically, your hateful nativist nonsense is just hateful nativist nonsense.

Julius Caesar Wrote:
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> Open warfare, I can't wait for this.
> "Cry 'Havoc', and let slip the dogs of war".
> "Turn around, you dog from hell, turn around".

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> thats funny Wrote:
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> > Well the recent trend you speak ofcis an influx
> of illegal
> > trespassers that are swamping an already
> overburdened system.
> > Maybe you should try looking at the past to
> improve the future
> > as it does have a tendency to repeat itself.
> Short sighted
> > people as yourself are really part of the
> problem.
>
> The numbers of your "illegal trespassers" have
> been declining for a while now. The rate of
> increase in FCPS total enrollment has also been
> slowing. Basically, your hateful nativist
> nonsense is just hateful nativist nonsense.

Last year Fairfax had 2200 new students. At least 1,023 were recent boarder crossers. That's about $14 Million in new costs if Fairfax spends about $14K/student.

The school board made no attempt to contain costs. None. Notta.

They could have created a zero-based budget plan that justified an increase in spending.

But they did not.

They could have created a line-of-business study that justified an increase in spending.

But they did not.

All they are doing is demanding more money.

They are going to get slapped hard, first by the state, then by the Board of Supervisors.

The students and employees will suffer greatly because of their irresponsible actions this budget season.

And then they will blame everyone else.

The 70% of Fairfax County who do not use FCPS services will say, "Tough Shit."

>
> They could have created a line-of-business study
> that justified an increase in spending.
>

There has been THIRD party studies done you just tend to ignore them or not believe them and say it's some conspiracy and fcps is paying them to say what they say. There has been atleast 2 studies done in the past years, for example one about the teacher pay gap that a teacher who works for FCPS 30 years will make 300 thousand less than if the same teacher worked for Arlington. You can read about this study here, study was done by Segal Waters consulting.

http://www.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/A4VUUT686987/$file/FCPS%20-%20Presentation%20to%20School%20Board%20Work%20Session.pdf

there was also a study on the efficiency of FCPS as a whole, I can't find that one right now but regardless to say it did not find very many holes to call out for improvement when it came to efficient use of resources.

That study illustrates the exact problem. New teachers at FCPS are paid the same as anywhere else. Old teachers at FCPS are paid about the same as anywhere else. But in the middle, the difference is significant, which means good teachers after they have 5-15 of experience will leave and be replaced by young teachers who aren't as good.