Went to my first gun show last year and am looking to buy a semi-auto rifle this year before the prices go up again because of Obamao's executive orders.

I'm interested in getting a rifle that is:

a) Semi-auto
b) Has reasonably priced ammo that is also effective
c) Isn't more expensive than $1500
d) Is durable
e) Has parts pretty readily available for upgrades and replacements if necessary


I've done some research online and it sounds like the Cmet is good but you might have to do some adjustments. Also have seen Saiga listed a lot as being a good buy. Also have seen the FN FAL listed frequently as a good bang for your buck. Not sure if the AR-10/15 is that good for the price or people mainly like it because it looks similar to a full-auto military grade rifle.

I'm still relatively new to all of this stuff and a lot of it is a foreign language to me. Any information is greatly appreciated. I'd like to get something I can take to the range and shoot off 100-200 rounds and it won't be THAT expensive. Seriously, any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks for reading.


Also will likely get a shotgun too and am looking at Mossbergs and they seem to be pretty badass. Thanks again for any help.

Ask any black in DC - they have the most experience killing people with guns.

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> Also will likely get a shotgun too and am looking
> at Mossbergs and they seem to be pretty badass.
> Thanks again for any help.


If you're looking for home protection, then the Mossberg 500 Tactical with the pistol grip might be the one. I wanted to go for the Mossberg when purchasing, but picked the Remington 870 Tactical due to availability. Similar concept.

A few weeks back, Tactical Sh!t had a picture of a 12-gauge round that had these copper tentacles that would open after being fired and create a 2.5" hole in your "ahem" target. I need to check into those more - better than any buckshot when it absolutely, positively needs to be done correctly.
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Have you thought about building and AR-15, its a fun experience and you will learn alot about your gun aswell.

Don't waste your money. Use it to install a decent home security system instead.

Common Sense... Wrote:
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> Don't waste your money. Use it to install a
> decent home security system instead.


You're kidding right? Home security systems are worthless and provide a false sense of security. They also can be disabled and need electricity to work. Lots of pitfalls to that kind of system. Only niggers are dumb enough to not know how to disable it. They also might just rob you anyway even with the alarm going off. Whenever I see an ADT sign, I think how stupid these people are to think that it's going to stop anyone.

Lol what a joke Wrote:
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> Common Sense... Wrote:
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> > Don't waste your money. Use it to install a
> > decent home security system instead.
>
>
> You're kidding right? Home security systems are
> worthless and provide a false sense of security.
> They also can be disabled and need electricity to
> work. Lots of pitfalls to that kind of system.
> Only niggers are dumb enough to not know how to
> disable it. They also might just rob you anyway
> even with the alarm going off. Whenever I see an
> ADT sign, I think how stupid these people are to
> think that it's going to stop anyone.


No shit. Most of the homes in my neighborhood have security systems with prominently displayed signs advising criminals of that fact. I prefer to leave my doors unlocked--and open when weather permits whenever I am home. The setup of my house is such that I am immediately aware of anyone entering, and I do have closed-circuit cameras. I have a fairly substantial arsenal and it's my hope that one day I will get bag an intruding negro or two (white trash criminals are acceptable targets as well). Nothing beats watching a would-be burglar bleed out on a highly waxed hardwood floor.

target practice Wrote:
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> Lol what a joke Wrote:
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> > Common Sense... Wrote:
> >
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>
> > -----
> > > Don't waste your money. Use it to install a
> > > decent home security system instead.
> >
> >
> > You're kidding right? Home security systems are
> > worthless and provide a false sense of
> security.
> > They also can be disabled and need electricity
> to
> > work. Lots of pitfalls to that kind of system.
> > Only niggers are dumb enough to not know how to
> > disable it. They also might just rob you anyway
> > even with the alarm going off. Whenever I see
> an
> > ADT sign, I think how stupid these people are
> to
> > think that it's going to stop anyone.
>
>
> No shit. Most of the homes in my neighborhood
> have security systems with prominently displayed
> signs advising criminals of that fact. I prefer
> to leave my doors unlocked--and open when weather
> permits whenever I am home. The setup of my house
> is such that I am immediately aware of anyone
> entering, and I do have closed-circuit cameras. I
> have a fairly substantial arsenal and it's my hope
> that one day I will get bag an intruding negro or
> two (white trash criminals are acceptable targets
> as well). Nothing beats watching a would-be
> burglar bleed out on a highly waxed hardwood
> floor.


This is a little extreme for me... but I can't say I don't agree! :D

Only some low grade burglar would honestly be deterred by a stupid sign and alarm system. The only people buying this shit are retarded government employees and liberals.

>Nothing beats watching a would-be burglar bleed out on a highly waxed hardwood floor.

I am a Supporter of the 2nd amendment as much as anyone on FXU,and enjoy shooting sports, but I must say, you cant just shoot someone in your home, even if they broke in. You better know the law. If you tell them to stop and they back away at gunpoint and get out, that's it, leave um be. You cant shoot at anyone that's leaving or trying to leave. If they charge you that's different, you have to do what you have to do. Now pointing a gun at someone outside your home is a different story, You can't do that unless they display a weapon, you will be charged with brandishing if you do and they don't have a weapon, If there outside call the law and let them handle it. Stay inside. Don't be stupid.

That said the last thing I ever would want to have to do is shoot anyone.

As far as the gun question goes, Any AR 15 platform rifle will be just fine in .223. You can do all kinds of things with it and 1300 dollars buys a lot of horns and whistles to go with it. My preference is a Colt. The original GI maker other then Armalite , the late Eugene Stoner's Company who developed the rifle. .308 rifles have much more power and penetration, If you shoot one in a house it can go completely thru the house.. A .223 can do that too, but with less penetration so yes or no. The .223 is very easy to handle and shoot and small women can handle them with ease. Its the US military's battle caliber now for way over 45 years for good reasons. And much cheaper to shoot as well.

DAJAX

Like my old man used to say, if you shoot someone make sure they're inside. If not, drag 'em in.

Killin nig nogs Wrote:
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> Like my old man used to say, if you shoot someone
> make sure they're inside. If not, drag 'em in.


Also make sure there is only 1 side of the story, YOURS.

Be careful of the "Tactical Shotguns", they often do not allow for interchangeable barrels, they are often purpose build units.

I would prefer to get a more flexible shotgun that I can configure as a "Tactical" or "Sporting" gun. Better option would be to purchase a more flexible platform that will allow to many configurations as well would likely have a larger resale market.

Not A Good Scene Pal Wrote:
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> >Nothing beats watching a would-be burglar bleed
> out on a highly waxed hardwood floor.
>
> I am a Supporter of the 2nd amendment as much as
> anyone on FXU,and enjoy shooting sports, but I
> must say, you cant just shoot someone in your
> home, even if they broke in. You better know the
> law. If you tell them to stop and they back away
> at gunpoint and get out, that's it, leave um be.
> You cant shoot at anyone that's leaving or trying
> to leave. If they charge you that's different,
> you have to do what you have to do. Now pointing a
> gun at someone outside your home is a different
> story, You can't do that unless they display a
> weapon, you will be charged with brandishing if
> you do and they don't have a weapon, If there
> outside call the law and let them handle it. Stay
> inside. Don't be stupid.
>
> That said the last thing I ever would want to have
> to do is shoot anyone.
>
> As far as the gun question goes, Any AR 15
> platform rifle will be just fine in .223. You can
> do all kinds of things with it and 1300 dollars
> buys a lot of horns and whistles to go with it. My
> preference is a Colt. The original GI maker other
> then Armalite , the late Eugene Stoner's Company
> who developed the rifle. .308 rifles have much
> more power and penetration, If you shoot one in a
> house it can go completely thru the house.. A .223
> can do that too, but with less penetration so yes
> or no. The .223 is very easy to handle and shoot
> and small women can handle them with ease. Its the
> US military's battle caliber now for way over 45
> years for good reasons. And much cheaper to shoot
> as well.
>
> DAJAX

It's a shame you ever never fired one in defense of our country. What this country needs is another stay at home gun expert.

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> Be careful of the "Tactical Shotguns", they often
> do not allow for interchangeable barrels, they are
> often purpose build units.
>
> I would prefer to get a more flexible shotgun that
> I can configure as a "Tactical" or "Sporting" gun.
> Better option would be to purchase a more flexible
> platform that will allow to many configurations as
> well would likely have a larger resale market.


Thank you for your advice. So what would you recommend then for shotguns? No Mossberg or Remmington? I'm still new to this so the more information the better.

Ruger AR 556

$600 bucks and a great gun.

my recommendations Wrote:
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> Ruger AR 556
>
> $600 bucks and a great gun.


Thank you for your advice. I have about 6 different guns to look at now and make a decision on.

How about shotguns? What kind would you recommend?

For home defense and just fucking around I have the Vepr 12, its a lot of fun and a great gun. Cost around $600

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> For home defense and just fucking around I have
> the Vepr 12, its a lot of fun and a great gun.
> Cost around $600


VEPR 12 AK Shotgun Suppressed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPtsLwcVZEE

Very nice!!

If someone is in your house and you can establish that you have reason to fear for your life, you can blast the fool.

I don't think it would be a good idea to just start firing (people have killed their teenage kids sneaking back into the house this way), but as soon as you see a weapon, or any attempt at aggression toward you, or even an attempt to reach in pockets or not put hands where they are visible when you ask them to do.so, blast away. Legally, you are pretty safe in VA with this approach. Other states, not so much. Google the Castle Doctrine. Intesting stuff.

Better Call Saul Wrote:
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> If someone is in your house and you can establish
> that you have reason to fear for your life, you
> can blast the fool.
>
> I don't think it would be a good idea to just
> start firing (people have killed their teenage
> kids sneaking back into the house this way), but
> as soon as you see a weapon, or any attempt at
> aggression toward you, or even an attempt to reach
> in pockets or not put hands where they are visible
> when you ask them to do.so, blast away. Legally,
> you are pretty safe in VA with this approach.
> Other states, not so much. Google the Castle
> Doctrine. Intesting stuff.

Make sure your kids know that sneaking into the house quietly is not a good idea. Better to turn on lights and make some noise. Mine know that, and I'm not mad for being awakened like that. They know that anyone moving about quietly in the dark is going to catch a round or two in the chest.

It's nice to be loved!

I'd buy an American-made AR, preferably from a big name company. Some places on line were clearing out the first generation S&W AR's for $550. That's a heck of a lot of gun with the Smith name and their excellent customer service to fix any problem you might have.

The new S&W AR's are about $150 more, but that gets you a dust cover and a forward assist. If you're dragging the thing through the mud and dust and not cleaning it for a week at a time, both are nice things to have. If you're actually maintaining the rifle, one could argue that neither are really necessary.

Colt, Ruger, Smith, Armalite, Bushmaster, DPMS--if it's a big American manufacturer that's 10 years old or older, you really can't go wrong.

Kids... Wrote:
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> It's nice to be loved!

Sounds like this guy's guns get a lot more love than his kids. That's the NRA for you -- Building a Better America, One Asshole at a Time!

Hey Saul Wrote:
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> Better Call Saul Wrote:
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> > If someone is in your house and you can
> establish
> > that you have reason to fear for your life, you
> > can blast the fool.
> >
> > I don't think it would be a good idea to just
> > start firing (people have killed their teenage
> > kids sneaking back into the house this way),
> but
> > as soon as you see a weapon, or any attempt at
> > aggression toward you, or even an attempt to
> reach
> > in pockets or not put hands where they are
> visible
> > when you ask them to do.so, blast away.
> Legally,
> > you are pretty safe in VA with this approach.
> > Other states, not so much. Google the Castle
> > Doctrine. Intesting stuff.
>
> Make sure your kids know that sneaking into the
> house quietly is not a good idea. Better to turn
> on lights and make some noise. Mine know that, and
> I'm not mad for being awakened like that. They
> know that anyone moving about quietly in the dark
> is going to catch a round or two in the chest.

Internet tough guy, huh? You'll probably kill one of your kids eventually. The simple fact of the matter is you're both stupid and posted it.

My Oakton home is always unlocked, I have always wanted to be gang banged by a bunch of negros

>DAJAX, American "TAXPAYER"


FUCK Off ..Tell us about your military service asshole. Its the Internet after all.

34billyboy Wrote:
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> I'd buy an American-made AR, preferably from a big
> name company. Some places on line were clearing
> out the first generation S&W AR's for $550.
> That's a heck of a lot of gun with the Smith name
> and their excellent customer service to fix any
> problem you might have.
>
> The new S&W AR's are about $150 more, but that
> gets you a dust cover and a forward assist. If
> you're dragging the thing through the mud and dust
> and not cleaning it for a week at a time, both are
> nice things to have. If you're actually
> maintaining the rifle, one could argue that
> neither are really necessary.
>
> Colt, Ruger, Smith, Armalite, Bushmaster, DPMS--if
> it's a big American manufacturer that's 10 years
> old or older, you really can't go wrong.

Yes, you can.

Killin nig nogs Wrote:
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> Like my old man used to say, if you shoot someone
> make sure they're inside. If not, drag 'em in.


Like my old man once said, "if you can't do the time, then don't do the crime".
Then he blew his brains out.

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>
> No shit. Most of the homes in my neighborhood
> have security systems with prominently displayed
> signs advising criminals of that fact. I prefer
> to leave my doors unlocked--and open when weather
> permits whenever I am home. The setup of my house
> is such that I am immediately aware of anyone
> entering, and I do have closed-circuit cameras. I
> have a fairly substantial arsenal and it's my hope
> that one day I will get bag an intruding negro or
> two (white trash criminals are acceptable targets
> as well). Nothing beats watching a would-be
> burglar bleed out on a highly waxed hardwood
> floor.


You sir, are a joke.
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I guess if you never served with the military but wasted money on a military style carbine and have nothing to shoot, you then shoot your mouth off and brag about your gun.
Why buy one when you can have two for twice the price?

I'll second the recommendation on the Ruger AR 556. Good gun.


For a shotgun, go find a used Remington 870 Wingmaster (3" chamber). You should be able to find one for $2-400 on one of the gun sites or at a show. Likely the only shotgun you will ever need.

Today's generation.
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FIFY Gun Grabber Wrote:
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> >DAJAX, American "TAXPAYER"
>
>
> FUCK Off ..Tell us about your military service
> asshole. Its the Internet after all.

There's no requirement to serve in the military to exercise your 2nd Amendment rights. Wise up. BTW, I served my time on active duty.

For a semi auto rifle- the winner hands down would be a basic AR15 in .223/5.56. You can pick up a good basic model for around $500 to $700. I would suggest a S&W or Bushmaster as a starting point. There are others as well but these will be the two cheapest priced ones you will find at the gun show.

Another option would be get a 9mm AR15. Plenty of cheap ammo everywhere for it.

Stay away from .308/7.62 rifles like the FAL. The ammo cost a lot more and there really is no where around here cheap and easy to shoot them at.

I am not a big fan of Ruger made ARs.

For a shotgun, remington 870.

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> For a semi auto rifle- the winner hands down would
> be a basic AR15 in .223/5.56. You can pick up a
> good basic model for around $500 to $700. I would
> suggest a S&W or Bushmaster as a starting point.
> There are others as well but these will be the two
> cheapest priced ones you will find at the gun
> show.
>
> Another option would be get a 9mm AR15. Plenty of
> cheap ammo everywhere for it.
>
> Stay away from .308/7.62 rifles like the FAL. The
> ammo cost a lot more and there really is no where
> around here cheap and easy to shoot them at.
>
> I am not a big fan of Ruger made ARs.
>
> For a shotgun, remington 870.


Ain't it about big guns and big bullets? I mean that's what you see in the movies. Why else would you buy a gun if it ain't the biggest on the block?

Buy guns and join the NRA. Real Americans do! I hope my credit card comes before the Gun Show starts. I'm going to buy a assault gun, a pistol and a shotgun.

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> I'll second the recommendation on the Ruger AR
> 556. Good gun.
>

I'd recommend the Ruger SR-556. Even better.

Top it off with Nikon optics. M223 is a good choice.

All those empty .40s on the range floor..asking to be picked up and reloaded. Giving me .40 S&W fever.. Worse even then Redskins Fever..The Only Cure is at the gun show..

Which Reminds Me .. WHERES KILTON? THE OFFICAL HOT DOG GUN SHOW ALL YOU CAN EAT GUY! Is he trapped in a toilet stall some where? .. Too fat to get Out??

The National Gun Show is this weekend Kilton! Ill take a Sabrett in a steamed bun with Kraut and Mustard Pal! NY Style.. In a New York Second. With a New York trigger pull on the new Gat too Baby!

DAJAX