I need help with this day labor thing. Someone told me to just pull up and shout the skill you need, and how many men. so if I need my kitchen retiled, do I just say "Kitchen tile" and "2" and how should I pay them? do i provide tools? material?

landlord Wrote:
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> I need help with this day labor thing. Someone
> told me to just pull up and shout the skill you
> need, and how many men. so if I need my kitchen
> retiled, do I just say "Kitchen tile" and "2" and
> how should I pay them? do i provide tools?
> material?


Most day laborers do not have tools with them in the pick up lots around Home Depots, Culmore, etc. For a job like tiling kitchens, you will obviously need to provide tools to day laborers. You will also need to buy materials. I have never seen a day laborer standing around with boxes of tiles, spacers, mastic, and grout. You should pay them in cash. A fair rate in this economy depends on the skill level of the laborer. For two people you might end up paying $15-20/hr for someone who has experience and $8-10/hr for someone to help out the experienced guy. Tiling, while not overly difficult, does require a certain amount of skill and experience. Also, it would help if the laborer knows how to use a wet saw. The earlier you go in the mornings the more skill sets you will find. Many of these people are desperate for work, so they may tell you they are good at tiling when in fact they are actually quite bad. Small mistakes can make a tile job look like shit.

Given all that, I probably wouldn't use a day laborer to do tile in my kitchen. To many what-ifs involved. Unless you know for certain what skill sets a laborer possesses, you should only use them for demolition, yard work, less skilled jobs.

If you know a contractor that can vouch for a laborers work, that might be an exception.

If I were you, I would pay at least $13 an hour. Then, I would estimate how long the job would take (depending on size/complexity of tiled area), and offer one fixed price. This will save you the hassle of them taking their sweet-ass time to get paid more.

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It'll take a lot more than rage and muscle.

Watch this guy end up hiring demolition specialists for tile work and having his bathroom look like total ass.

I'll say this - for work done inside a house, most day laborers can do demolition, sheetrock, painting and basic carpentry. Things of a more detailed nature such as electrical, plumbing, tile, HVAC, etc. you really should hire a contractor or find somebody reputable who can point you to somebody. Or as harry homeowner said, you may end up getting a guy who can only mow lawns tell you that he knows tile work b/c he needs money and it'll look like shit or fall apart in 3 months. But that's the dice you have to roll if you want to use undocumented/unlicensed workers.

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$20 an hour. Jobs no american would take, right...

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"{Vince(l)}....You're stupid." - Fruppie

No more than $10/hr. and yes, unless you want kitchen tile made up of broken dishes and grout, bring your own shit.

If they were really skilled at laying kitchen tile, they wouldn't be standing outside Home Depot ready to jump in the back of the first pick-up that slows down and so much as looks at them.

Can they work hard all day? Yes.

Do they have the experience to lay kitchen tile the right way, all day? No.

You'll get what you pay for. Good luck trying to sell your house with it's fucked-up kitchen floor.

We got a guy in the neighborhood my brother picked up years ago for a small painting job. He now does fencing, tiling, brick laying, all sorts of sh*t... he's almost too good to be doing lawn work and crap like that and now does work for all the neighboring homes because of word of mouth. He lives pretty comfortable, not the best but a lot better than most of them dudes. That said, unless you need some simple painting or yard work done I'd be careful. To have them do tile is probably familiar to most of em' however something tells me it's probably not a great idea.

$20 /hr

tell them they'd better work for free or you'll call ICE.

landlord Wrote:
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> I need help with this day labor thing. Someone
> told me to just pull up and shout the skill you
> need, and how many men. so if I need my kitchen
> retiled, do I just say "Kitchen tile" and "2" and
> how should I pay them? do i provide tools?
> material?

I wouldn't trust a tile man from off the street. Laying it isn't so hard if you are patient and the subfloor is right, but the cutting part could cause you some problems. Plus the day laborers for the most can't speak ingles well or follow complicated instructions. Movers,painters,landscapers- maybe. Plumbers, electricians,carpenters-NO WAY.

There are plenty of people willing to work at a fair price. Go to Craigslist>gigs>labor and list the SQ footage. You'll get some competing bids real quick.

It wouldn't kill y'all to learn a little spanish...

For the record, I agree with the fixed price idea.

Landlord, you are one dumb mother fucker, I hope a day laborer tiles your ass into tomorrow.......

So would it be wrong to hire one of them to pull weeds, mow grass and do general landscaping labor around our garden? What would be a decent offer for labor like that? How about help with putting up a fence? It's basic labor, no real skill required.....and we would provide the tools and materials for the job.

My husband does this type of work for a living. If you want the job done right, don't hire a day laborer at all. Frequently homeowners hire day laborers who totally mess the job up. The homeowners in turn have to call my husband (or someone who is a professional) to clean it up. This costs waaaay more money than if they hadn't been cheapskates and had it done right in the first place.

archerrmdl@comcast.net (if you want a free quote on getting the job done right)

For caucasian laborers the rate should be honest and competitive; between $14-$16$an hour. For the lowlife illegals, maybe $6.50 an hour and provide lunch. Make sure to get their names and turn them into immigration when your project is finished though.

Throw in a case of corona and cut the hourly rate in half.

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ts2005m Wrote:
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> My husband does this type of work for a living.
> If you want the job done right, don't hire a day
> laborer at all. Frequently homeowners hire day
> laborers who totally mess the job up. The
> homeowners in turn have to call my husband (or
> someone who is a professional) to clean it up.
> This costs waaaay more money than if they hadn't
> been cheapskates and had it done right in the
> first place.
>
> archerrmdl@comcast.net (if you want a free quote
> on getting the job done right)


You should really stop advertising. Obviously no one is going to call ur slutty ass for anything. I am sure those mexicanos can do a muuuuuccccch better job than your redneck husband.

A day laborer will come back and kill you or break in your house. The sooner you stop hiring them the sooner they will go home.

Hiring illegals is like feeding bears.

Get a licensed contractor.

[www.bvbl.net]

Harry Tuttle Wrote:
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> It wouldn't kill y'all to learn a little
> spanish...
>

The only Spanish I care to learn is shouting "La Migra" in the restaurant kitchen door and filming them run out the back.

What about black laborers? What would be the rate for them?

Probably like 4-5 million a year, more if they are talented. Some really good ones though (Kobe Bryant, Kevin Garnett, etc.) can make over 20 million a year in salary alone!

i think like 10 dollars and if they complain tell them you'll tell immigrations!!

Next time try yelling "Mamones Gratis". Can't wait to hear about it...

Spacecrow Wrote:
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> The only Spanish I care to learn is shouting "La
> Migra" in the restaurant kitchen door and filming
> them run out the back.

Tell them $25/hour, then have ICE meet them and deport them when the job is done and before you pay.

Great way to send a few more back where they belong.

landlord Wrote:
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> I need help with this day labor thing. Someone
> told me to just pull up and shout the skill you
> need, and how many men. so if I need my kitchen
> retiled, do I just say "Kitchen tile" and "2" and
> how should I pay them? do i provide tools?
> material?


How about you instead give an actual American a job?

I think Frank's approach is hilarious, but I would have a camera in the room and make it like that Punk'd show.

The bottom line is day laborers will do the job for much cheaper then any one else. I have used them to tile my kitchen bathroom paint my house and put down hardwood floors. Most of these guys are skilled workers who are either not licensed or are illegal. I am ok with hiring an illegal to do work for me they also have to feed their families. If it wasn't for illegal immigrants I wouldn't be here. Most of the crimes and human waste that's draining our economy out of life is good old useless Americans at least these guys are trying to work. A good number of these contract companies hire them anyway you're just cutting out the middle man. If anyone want photos i think i have some photos of one the apartments an "illegal" did. After the savages that were living there moved out the whole apartment had to be gutted to make it livable again. He took it down to the bare and rebuilt it. He only charged me $7k when other general contractors were giving me quotes of over 20k. The bottom line is ask to see their prior work.

10.00 Max. cash.
that keeps most of them happy

Stupid Natasha Wrote:
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> The bottom line is day laborers will do the job
> for much cheaper then any one else. I have used
> them to tile my kitchen bathroom paint my house
> and put down hardwood floors. Most of these guys
> are skilled workers who are either not licensed or
> are illegal. I am ok with hiring an illegal to do
> work for me they also have to feed their families.
> If it wasn't for illegal immigrants I wouldn't be
> here. Most of the crimes and human waste that's
> draining our economy out of life is good old
> useless Americans at least these guys are trying
> to work. A good number of these contract
> companies hire them anyway you're just cutting out
> the middle man. If anyone want photos i think i
> have some photos of one the apartments an
> "illegal" did. After the savages that were living
> there moved out the whole apartment had to be
> gutted to make it livable again. He took it down
> to the bare and rebuilt it. He only charged me
> $7k when other general contractors were giving me
> quotes of over 20k. The bottom line is ask to see
> their prior work.


"Useless Americans"? I think you just defined yourself.

Funny we should be talking about tile work. The previous owners of our house, a group of hispanics named "Rivera", got foreclosed on. While they were living here, they tiled the kitchen and the bathrooms. Apparently, accessories such as floor leveler and tile spacers were deemed unnecessary. When the grout ran out, they found some that was a "similar" color. And when they got to door frames or heat registers, they just cut or broke tiles to sort of fit, and made up the difference in the grout. In the upstairs bathroom, they changed the layout of the tiles to avoid cutting for the door frame of the closet.

The moral of this story? Hire a tile guy.

Hire an American. Don't hire them just becuase they need to feed they need to feed their family. Let there family starve. Population control some make it others dont.

Hire an American. Don't hire them just because they need to feed they need to feed their family. Let there family starve. Population control some make it others dont.

ffxstoner Wrote:
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> Hire an American. Don't hire them just because
> they need to feed they need to feed their family.
> Let there family starve. Population control some
> make it others dont.


lol so good he had to post it twice
+2

You must be one on those useless Americans draining the life out of our government calling for free health care.

hey Wrote:
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> i think like 10 dollars and if they complain tell
> them you'll tell immigrations!!

People who say those types of things are generally unaware that hiring an illegal alien is a federal crime...as this guy just found out:

[valley.newhavenindependent.org]

Here's the US Code:

[www4.law.cornell.edu]

trogdor! Wrote:
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> hey Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > i think like 10 dollars and if they complain
> tell
> > them you'll tell immigrations!!
>
> People who say those types of things are generally
> unaware that hiring an illegal alien is a federal
> crime...as this guy just found out:
>
> [valley.newhavenindependent.org]
> chives/entry/oxford_man_faces_prison_for_hiring_il
> legal_immigrants/
>
> Here's the US Code:
>
> [www4.law.cornell.edu]
> sc_sec_08_00001324---a000-.html


I think I should report my jacka$$ of a neighbor then lol.

If we were all to join together and stop being cheap asses employing them they will go home. I'd proposition anyone at the unemployment office or homeless shelter before i would hire any illegal.

NEVER let day people into your house that you dont know or that you could never find again.

you think they wont notice that 65 inch big screen? Or the china they could sell? Or anything else that is worth more than $5 to steal?

Day laborers should be used for outdoor work. Protecting your home means not letting everyone know what you have to steal.

The squeaky wheel gets the grease we need to speak out more on this insanity. They do which is why they get excused from the laws. SPEAK dammit SPEAK!!!!!! America is in crisis like never before!!!!!!!

May I suggest paying them with Taco Bell coupons? Seems like a good idea.

Do what Rob Schneider does, take them home and strangle them in your shower.

HIRE ME!!!! I can do tile and ill do it for like 15 bucks an hour... And I'm an AMERICAN (not proud, but still legally able to work!)

AJ Wrote:
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> HIRE ME!!!! I can do tile and ill do it for like
> 15 bucks an hour... And I'm an AMERICAN (not
> proud, but still legally able to work!)


At the risk of sounding stupid (I know almost nothing about hiring contractors for home renovation) - Is this a troll post? $15 an hour seems ridiculously low. I want to have my bathroom tiled, but assumed the labor would be much, much, more. Or is the difference between using an individual and using a company with a guarantee?

Genevieve Wrote:

> At the risk of sounding stupid (I know almost
> nothing about hiring contractors for home
> renovation) - Is this a troll post? $15 an hour
> seems ridiculously low. I want to have my
> bathroom tiled, but assumed the labor would be
> much, much, more. Or is the difference between
> using an individual and using a company with a
> guarantee?


I think $15 is low, I would think that a business would pay somebody like that around $25/hr - however, that is not what the company would charge you (the client). My experiences have been that a company charges the client at least 2-3 times the employees hourly wage.

Don't be fooled: tiling isn't hard, but until you get the hang of it, it's easy to mess up. There's nothing wrong with hiring an individual who has experience as opposed to a larger company, but get references from his last 3 jobs of similar work. Not "give me 3 references", but "give me your most recent 3 references from similar projects". That way you're not letting him cherry pick his best references. If he gives you something from 2006, that may be a red flag.

Also, with the collapse of the new construction market, there are many persons out there who have the skill and ability, but are unemployed and just need to make any kind of money they can, or are looking to start their own little business. And since those types of people would need good word of mouth to keep themselves going, so they'd do a good job (in theory).

Also don't forget there is labor involved in ripping our the old tile and preparing the sub-surfaces for new installation.

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Plunger in the bum and call it even