casual observer7 Wrote:
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> Damn! The pro gun guys have gotten their asses
> kicked in this thread!


#threadselfie

Off the hook stupid Wrote:
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> Vxcyc Wrote:
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> > Uh, no. It's like how they have little to
> nothing
> > to do with the risk of having a gun in the home
> > for the vast majority of people as you tried to
> > inappropriately use the numbers.
>
> Uh YES, you worthless and degraded guntard
> asshole. Gun-related deaths are gun-related
> deaths. It's THAT simple. But you spend your
> cretin-time trying to explain them away. As if
> they didn't happen or didn't happen to people who
> matter to you. Such insanity is just another
> habit of poorly-balanced guntard assholes.
> Another aspect of being terminally skewed and
> stupid.


Once again with the bullshit obfuscation. No dummy, it's not that simple and gun deaths are not all equal to be lumped together in terms of risk of having a gun in the home. Which was the matter at hand.

The 20,000 suicide deaths generally do not apply to the larger population in Neither do the 6,000 - 8,000 homicides by young urban black men beyond that group. So even if you want to try to count risk in that bullshit way, then the more appropriate number to use would be in the range of 3,000 - 5,000 including intentional and unintentional deaths. Which works out to a trivial risk rate.


>
> > No, they aren't actually. First of all, your 4X
> number
> > is bullshit based on a study that was long ago
> debunked...
>
> LOL! There are many studies, you massive El Dopo,
> and they all show the very same thing. Sure, you
> can toss out the rat-crap nonsense that the NRA
> puts out, but one independent study after another
> has shown the same effect and in nearly the same
> degree. The simple facts of the matter -- facts
> that the comic-book brains of low-brow guntards
> are too poorly wired to grasp and face up to --
> are that having a gun in the home puts you at
> GREATER risk, NOT LESS. There is no serious
> debate of the matter. Just the babbling ignorance
> of guntard assholes.
>


No, in fact, that's exactly what you are doing. And even you know that your 4X bullshit with no basis is bullshit.

Yeah, post the source of your "4X" number. Any of them. All will show that the absolute risk is relatively tiny. 4X squat still is squat. And that's why you have to try to slip the stupid "4X"-type bullshit by to begin with. lol


> > If someone drove to the home and shot somebody,
> it
> > was counted.
>
> So if someone drives to your home and fatally
> shoots you, it is not a gun-related death? Your
> efforts to exclude the painfully obvious evidence
> against your silly claims grow ever more absurdly
> strained and ridiculous. A normal person would be
> ashamed of posts like yours.


It has nothing to do with the risk of a gun in the home. Which again was the matter in question per your "4X" bullshit number.


>
> > All of which were cited as greater risks than a
>
> > gun. In fact, guns ranked well down the list.
> lol
>
> For the Nth time, you witless stooge, IT DOES NOT
> MATTER if there are greater risks in the world.
> The focus is on THIS risk (quite a needless one,
> by the way), and the FACTS are that a person who
> keeps a gun in the home is nearly four times as
> likely to end up dead as the result of a gunshot
> wound. End of story. Even if your "source" were
> correct in its rankings, it would not be relevant.
> You might as well start claiming that the risks
> of heart disease are a reason to ignore all the
> death, injury, and human suffering that your
> pathetic little phony tough-guy toys result in.
>
> > Last, as before, you dumb "4X" number is
> > meaningless with no basis for the multiplier
> > provided. Even in the source study, the actual
> > risk at 4X the base it still was small.
>
> 30,000 annual deaths and 200,000 annual injuries
> serious enough to require treatment in an ER are
> NOT SMALL, except of course in the tiny minds of
> denier guntard assholes. Meanwhile, the
> multiplier that you math-whizzes have such trouble
> with is merely an expression of the difference in
> rates of death from gunshot wounds among those who
> keep a gun in the home versus those who are smart
> enough not to. Read 'em and weep, guntard.


Actually it's directly and very relevant to the mater of what risk exists as you claimed. "4X" tells you nothing with respect to the actual level of risk without a basis for what is being multiplied. 4X 0.0000001 = .0000004. i.e., Effectively none. Your bullshit otherwise doesn't change that fact. Mostly it says that you can't effectively argue the point so you have to post a bunch of bullshit. lol


>
> > Normal people do not attempt or commit suicide
> > simply because they have a gun.
>
> Such an utter dope! Suicide is a problem across
> society in general. People don't ATTEMPT suicide
> because they have a gun. They SUCCEED at it
> because they have a gun, as anyone but some
> maladroit mindless guntard asshole would have
> immediately recognized as the point of the matter.
> Guns greatly reduce the amount of time and effort
> involved in suicide while greatly increasing the
> chances of its success. Both of those are BAD
> THINGS, as I will certainly need to point out to
> just another garden-variety warped-brain guntard
> asshole.
>


Again you're confused dummy. If one doesn't attempt suicide, then there can be no success. Normal people (i.e., the vast majority) do not attempt suicide so they do not commit suicide by any method.

Furthermore, the various levels of success for suicide methods do not reflect absolute efficacy. The variance in the numbers primarily reflects very high numbers of para-suicides and pseudo-suicides by the less committed. Which is why by cutting and by drugs are so low, not that they are not effective when done right. Any given individual can kill themselves perfectly well by hanging, jumping, or with opiod pain killers. Just as they do in the case of the latter about 20,000 times/year. Because most are counted as accidents doesn't change the efficacy of the method. The rates of suicide by poisoning are low only because is because we have 100,000s of teenage girls who try to "commit suicide" because their boyfriend broke up with them by eating 10 tylenol.


> > Don't be mad cause I called you on your
> bullshit.
>
> Dream on, you ignorant NRA stooge! Facts are
> facts, and you don't have any of them. Meanwhile,
> it is an undeniable fact that your wonderful guns
> will end up killing perhaps another 85-90 people
> today, while severely wounding a further 550-600.
> The ER community will once again be busy, occupied
> in throwing expensive talent and resources at yet
> another wave of pointless death and trauma. Nice
> fucking work, you miserable little asshole.
>


^ That's why I'm presenting facts and you're left to try to bullshit your way though with crap like this. lmao


> > What I said is exactly right. If there were in
> > fact some large risk as you claim simply due to
> > the presence of a gun, then the numbers
> necessarily
> > would be many times greater just by math.
>
> You don't understand math either. Know your
> limits, dumbfuck! Keeping a gun in the home
> increases your chances of dying from a gunshot
> wound by a factor of nearly four. It's what
> happens. You can't wish it away.
>


Give me an actual rate and we can do the math. Is that so hard? Is there something that you're trying to hide by continuing to cite the number only on a relative basis?


> > Again, sorry for your loss.
>
> I can't hear you through all the smothering of
> your stupid-ass claims that's been done here. You
> have no answer or explanation at all for ANY of
> the needless death and agony that guns directly
> cause in our society every single day. You
> desperately want to pretend that it's not there,
> but all you have to work with is your store of
> asswipe-ignorant claims and fables. You're just a
> pathetic guntard dopester asshole, cowering in the
> corner in hopes of avoiding a confrontation with
> the plain and simple truth of your personal
> culpability for all this gun-related damage. You
> won't be winning any prizes here or anywhere else
> with a rap sheet as tainted and disgraceful as
> that.


So much effort and so many words to get nowhere and say nothing. It's like watching a fat kid dog paddling. lmao!

Again, sorry for your loss.

The Hotdog Gala Wrote:
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> Only amateurs and wannabes attend gun shows. It's
> just a fat fuck fashion show for the latest
> tactical outfits.

Fully concur!

toe jamb driver Wrote:
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> I really want to rent one of the oscar meyer
> weinermobiles but they wont rent me one. I would
> totally pay a couple hundred a day and buy my own
> gas.

Dude, I wouldn't recommend it. If you drive that thing within 5 miles of the gun show, a stampede of fatties will be chasing you down route 28 like you wouldn't believe. Be safe - don't do it!

casual observer7 Wrote:
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> Damn! The pro gun guys have gotten their asses
> kicked in this thread!


Yeah, it happens every time.

Damn, the Gun Haters have been pummeled to submission on this site. Too bad they can't comprehend their ignorance!

Thanks for the reminder OP. I didn't have it on my calendar. And perfect timing considering the refugee terrorists are on the way.

aloha snackbar and 72 virgins await.

glock block Wrote:
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> casual observer7 Wrote:
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> > Damn! The pro gun guys have gotten their asses
> > kicked in this thread!
>
>
> Yeah, it happens every time.


Sure does.

Get your guns. Ragheads are coming. It's going to get ugly for them and their libtard sympathizers.
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Piss on Muslims Wrote:
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> Get your guns. Ragheads are coming. It's going to
> get ugly for them and their libtard sympathizers.


^^^^ Perfect example of a cowardly bitch who has to hide behind a gun^^^^




Guntard pussy's lol!

I was going to go and buy a few guns at the gun show. Then some raging, angry libfag on FFU said that would make me a coward and called everyone assholes and that changed my mind. Now, I completely trust the police to protect me and the criminals to be nice to me. How can anyone withstand the withering pretzel logic and 3rd grade insults from the libfag? I have turned all my guns over to random black folk because I see how I was really just a coward and loved to buy guns only because of a hotdog fetish. The libfag told me so.

B52 Joe Wrote:
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> I was going to go and buy a few guns at the gun
> show. Then some raging, angry libfag on FFU said
> that would make me a coward and called everyone
> assholes and that changed my mind. Now, I
> completely trust the police to protect me and the
> criminals to be nice to me. How can anyone
> withstand the withering pretzel logic and 3rd
> grade insults from the libfag? I have turned all
> my guns over to random black folk because I see
> how I was really just a coward and loved to buy
> guns only because of a hotdog fetish. The libfag
> told me so.

The one thing you learn in a firefight is the only gun you need is the one you have at that moment. Any more is just baggage. Otherwise don't get hit by a car or have a heart attack.

A few guns? Wrote:
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> B52 Joe Wrote:
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> > I was going to go and buy a few guns at the gun
> > show. Then some raging, angry libfag on FFU
> said
> > that would make me a coward and called everyone
> > assholes and that changed my mind. Now, I
> > completely trust the police to protect me and
> the
> > criminals to be nice to me. How can anyone
> > withstand the withering pretzel logic and 3rd
> > grade insults from the libfag? I have turned
> all
> > my guns over to random black folk because I see
> > how I was really just a coward and loved to buy
> > guns only because of a hotdog fetish. The
> libfag
> > told me so.
>
> The one thing you learn in a firefight is the only
> gun you need is the one you have at that moment.
> Any more is just baggage. Otherwise don't get hit
> by a car or have a heart attack.


Navy SEALS carry at least 4 weapons on every mission. Sometimes 5 (grenade launcher). STFU.

I have like 19 guns. I rub my tiny dick all over them and dream of shooting them.

gun owner Wrote:
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> I have like 19 guns. I rub my tiny dick all over
> them and dream of shooting them.


Why are you dreaming of shooting them. Go out to a gun range and actually shoot them. Dick size doesn't have anything to do with it so you can leave the word 'tiny' out of your posts in the future. I have a very large penis and own several guns. However, I don't rub my mega-penis on my guns. That's a bit wacky.

Wu6NN Wrote:
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> Once again with the bullshit obfuscation. No
> dummy, it's not that simple and gun deaths are not
> all equal to be lumped together in terms of risk
> of having a gun in the home. Which was the matter
> at hand.

LOL! What a hopeless dumbshit! Like some sieve-brain, you've completely lost track of the matter at hand, which is the 30,000 people who die every year as the result of guns, along with the further 200,000 who are maimed and injured every year as the result of guns. These numbers are set-in-stone, established facts. You are stupid and pathetic enough to try to challenge them, but they are all still there at the end of every day filled with your worthless guntard blabber.

You further slime yourself in your beyond absurd insistence that many quite obvious gun-related deaths should not be counted as gun-related deaths. This apparently applies to the GSW deaths of young blacks and of all people you claim after the fact to have been afflicted with some undefined form of "mental illness". You extend such patterns of denial-lunacy even to your own death, should that occur as the result of some guy driving up to your home and gunning you down. What a monstrously brain-dead assfuck you are!

> Yeah, post the source of your "4X" number.

LOL! Fall on your face much, asshole? You were earlier feigning much familiarity with "the study" and cataloging the many flaws of its author. Now you need a references? What a pathetic lying piece of shit!

> Actually it's directly and very relevant to the
> mater of what risk exists as you claimed. "4X"
> tells you nothing with respect to the actual level
> of risk without a basis for what is being
> multiplied.

Hey asshole. What is being multiplied by a factor of nearly four is the risk of dying from a gunshot wound among those who DO NOT keep a gun in the home. This has only been explained like a dozen fucking times here, and you are still TOO FUCKING STUPID to understand it. Worthless moron.

> Again you're confused dummy. If one doesn't
> attempt suicide, then there can be no success.
> Normal people (i.e., the vast majority) do not
> attempt suicide so they do not commit suicide by
> any method.

LOLOLOLOL!!!!! That's the dumbest fucking thing you've posted yet. The population being considered here is that of people who attempt suicide. Having access to and then using a gun makes the process much quicker and far more likely of success. That's the problem. The ridiculous guntard asshole is here reduced to making pointless claims about people who DO NOT attempt suicide. Those people are not in the subject population, you impossibly ignorant assfuck.

> The rates of suicide by poisoning are low only
> because is because we have 100,000s of teenage
> agirls who try to "commit suicide" because their
> boyfriend broke up with them by eating 10 tylenol.

Okay, maybe I spoke too soon about what the stupidest thing you've posted so far was. It just keeps getting worse and worse for you here.

> That's why I'm presenting facts and you're left
> to try to bullshit your way though with crap like
> this. lmao

It's a new day, asshole. And sure enough, your wonderful guns ended up killing perhaps another 85-90 people yesterday while severely wounding a further 550-600. And they'll do the same damned thing again today. And tomorrow and the next day. Killing and maiming after all are all that guns are actually good for. Nothing else at all.

> So much effort and so many words to get nowhere
> and say nothing. It's like watching a fat kid dog
> paddling. lmao! Again, sorry for your loss.

No effort required. You aren't any sort of challenge at all. Just another babbling guntard asshole. If you've seen one, you've seen them all. It's like cleaning septic tanks -- you find the same old shit inside every single one of them.

ICE ICE Babeeeeee Wrote:
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> Navy SEALS carry at least 4 weapons on every
> mission. Sometimes 5 (grenade launcher). STFU.

Little boy is still stuck playing toy soldiers. Get some professional help and see if you can't learn to grow up some day.

Stunted growth Wrote:
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> ICE ICE Babeeeeee Wrote:
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> > Navy SEALS carry at least 4 weapons on every
> > mission. Sometimes 5 (grenade launcher).
> STFU.
>
> Little boy is still stuck playing toy soldiers.
> Get some professional help and see if you can't
> learn to grow up some day.


You're irrational. Knowing that my gun ownership gnaws at you and eats you up like cancer makes me happy. Carry on.

You guys can go back and forth on this topic forever and no one is changing their mind. Topic impossible list,,,

Guns
Flag burning
Abortion
Gas or charcoal
GM or Ford


There can be no clear winner on these topics except for keyboard manufacturing companies.

interwebs patrol Wrote:
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> You guys can go back and forth on this topic
> forever and no one is changing their mind.

Thanks for the insight, Einstein. All this time we thought minds were being changed!

Watching gun nuts squirm when presented with facts and logic is plenty of entertainment in of itself. Plus, if gun nuts were to start changing their minds, imagine what would happen to the hot dog companies! Could single-handedly start a recession for crying out loud.

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> Watching gun nuts squirm when presented with facts
> and logic is plenty of entertainment in of itself.


We're still waiting for that one bruh. So far, you haven't laid a glove. "Logic" from Kilton? No, you mean emotion. You are way too emotional about this. It makes you unstable. Being unstable, you think you're funny or making sense when, in reality, you're blowing chunks of useless drivel.

That'll be $500 for the truth session.

Guns r bad, mmm kay.

Off the hook stupid Wrote:
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> Just another babbling guntard asshole. If you've seen one, you've
> seen them all. It's like cleaning septic tanks -- you find the same
> old shit inside every single one of them.

That's a great line. Sums up this and a dozen other similar threads.

FFU Psychologist Wrote:
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> Kilton Wrote:
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>
> > Watching gun nuts squirm when presented with
> facts
> > and logic is plenty of entertainment in of
> itself.
>
>
> We're still waiting for that one bruh. So far,
> you haven't laid a glove. "Logic" from Kilton?
> No, you mean emotion. You are way too emotional
> about this. It makes you unstable. Being
> unstable, you think you're funny or making sense
> when, in reality, you're blowing chunks of useless
> drivel.
>
> That'll be $500 for the truth session.

He makes plenty of sense to me. Gun owners are the unstable pussies.

No charge for the truth session.

Sense Detector Wrote:
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> FFU Psychologist Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Kilton Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> >
> > > Watching gun nuts squirm when presented with
> > facts
> > > and logic is plenty of entertainment in of
> > itself.
> >
> >
> > We're still waiting for that one bruh. So far,
> > you haven't laid a glove. "Logic" from Kilton?
>
> > No, you mean emotion. You are way too emotional
> > about this. It makes you unstable. Being
> > unstable, you think you're funny or making
> sense
> > when, in reality, you're blowing chunks of
> useless
> > drivel.
> >
> > That'll be $500 for the truth session.
>
> He makes plenty of sense to me. Gun owners are the
> unstable pussies.
>
> No charge for the truth session.


You are also unstable. The immediate need for ad hominem attacks and the need to curse is a red flag. You are too emotional. Control your feelings for they are currently controlling you.

$250 for the calibration of your own self-awareness.

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There are over 100 homicides/suicides/accidental gun deaths for every ONE instance of successful self-defense
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Off the hook stupid Wrote:
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> Wu6NN Wrote:
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> > Once again with the bullshit obfuscation. No
> > dummy, it's not that simple and gun deaths are
> not
> > all equal to be lumped together in terms of
> risk
> > of having a gun in the home. Which was the
> matter
> > at hand.
>
> LOL! What a hopeless dumbshit! Like some
> sieve-brain, you've completely lost track of the
> matter at hand, which is the 30,000 people who die
> every year as the result of guns, along with the
> further 200,000 who are maimed and injured every
> year as the result of guns. These numbers are
> set-in-stone, established facts. You are stupid
> and pathetic enough to try to challenge them, but
> they are all still there at the end of every day
> filled with your worthless guntard blabber.
>
> You further slime yourself in your beyond absurd
> insistence that many quite obvious gun-related
> deaths should not be counted as gun-related
> deaths. This apparently applies to the GSW deaths
> of young blacks and of all people you claim after
> the fact to have been afflicted with some
> undefined form of "mental illness". You extend
> such patterns of denial-lunacy even to your own
> death, should that occur as the result of some guy
> driving up to your home and gunning you down.
> What a monstrously brain-dead assfuck you are!


Once again, lots of bullshit because you're incapable of supporting your original bullshit. lol And once again I'll force you to address the issue or show yourself, as you always do, to be the bullshitter that you are.

Nobody questions the numbers of deaths. The matter at hand is your claim that a gun in the home represents some substantial risk implied by your "4X greater!!!" bullshit. In that regard, the numbers support my case that no matter what the jive-ass multiplier may be, on an absolute basis the risk is very small.

Nobody with any sense considers suicides, intentional homicide, and accidents to be comparable types of events with equal risk across the population. That's why groups like CDC, etc., categorize them separately as they do various other causes of death. You cannot on any valid basis simply lump them all together and claim some overall risk rate to a given individual in the way that you so lamely attempt. Not even considering that your own bullshit 4X number doesn't even fit with that either. lol

>
> > Yeah, post the source of your "4X" number.
>
> LOL! Fall on your face much, asshole? You were
> earlier feigning much familiarity with "the study"
> and cataloging the many flaws of its author. Now
> you need a references? What a pathetic lying
> piece of shit!


Nope, you were claiming that I was wrong in my assessment. Then show it. Simple.

But we both know that you can't because it's based on some slanted derivative bullshit that you read somewhere and are just parroting like the mindless birdbrain that you are.


>
> > Actually it's directly and very relevant to the
> > mater of what risk exists as you claimed. "4X"
> > tells you nothing with respect to the actual
> level
> > of risk without a basis for what is being
> > multiplied.
>
> Hey asshole. What is being multiplied by a factor
> of nearly four is the risk of dying from a gunshot
> wound among those who DO NOT keep a gun in the
> home. This has only been explained like a dozen
> fucking times here, and you are still TOO FUCKING
> STUPID to understand it. Worthless moron.


Uh, yeah. Again that wasn't the question.

What is the risk rate? If you're citing a multiplier, then you must know the absolute numbers in order to calculate it. What is it? Simple.

The answer is that you can't because you don't know. The reason that you don't know is because it's a bullshit number which you were fed on an intentionally disingenuous basis because the absolute number is small and not impressive as propaganda. They're hoping that nobody actually looks to see what the X in your bullshit "4X!!!" actually is.

What is the X?


>
> > Again you're confused dummy. If one doesn't
> > attempt suicide, then there can be no success.
> > Normal people (i.e., the vast majority) do not
> > attempt suicide so they do not commit suicide
> by
> > any method.
>
> LOLOLOLOL!!!!! That's the dumbest fucking thing
> you've posted yet. The population being
> considered here is that of people who attempt
> suicide. Having access to and then using a gun
> makes the process much quicker and far more likely
> of success. That's the problem. The ridiculous
> guntard asshole is here reduced to making
> pointless claims about people who DO NOT attempt
> suicide. Those people are not in the subject
> population, you impossibly ignorant assfuck.


Nope. The populations in question here are those with and without guns in the home. That's how you get to your bullshit "4X!!!" number remember? Or have you lost track yourself in writing all of your off-point bullshit? lmao


>
> > The rates of suicide by poisoning are low only
> > because is because we have 100,000s of teenage
> > agirls who try to "commit suicide" because their
>
> > boyfriend broke up with them by eating 10
> tylenol.
>
> Okay, maybe I spoke too soon about what the
> stupidest thing you've posted so far was. It just
> keeps getting worse and worse for you here.


What I said is exactly the case. The differences in cited efficacy statistics for various methods of suicide are not related primarily to how well they work in any given case. They primarily reflect non-serious and otherwise failed attempts. If you shoot yourself in the head, then the odds are very good that you will die. If you jump from a tall building, hang yourself, or consume a lethal dose of an opiod painkiller, then the odds are equally good that you will die. There is no substantial difference in the effectiveness of the methods themselves. The survival rates do not reflect that we're able to "save" people when they try any of these particular methods. We do not, other than in very rare occasions, bring people back from jumping from substantial height or hanging or or lethal does of poison any more or less than we save them from a gun shot. There just are more people who jump from 2nd floor windows and eat a handful of Tylenol to "kill themselves" in less serious pseudo-suicide and para-suicide attempts. As anyone who is familiar with the numbers understands very well.


>
> > That's why I'm presenting facts and you're left
> > to try to bullshit your way though with crap
> like
> > this. lmao
>
> It's a new day, asshole. And sure enough, your
> wonderful guns ended up killing perhaps another
> 85-90 people yesterday while severely wounding a
> further 550-600. And they'll do the same damned
> thing again today. And tomorrow and the next day.
> Killing and maiming after all are all that guns
> are actually good for. Nothing else at all.


Virtually none of which affected any typical person with a gun in the home.

~60 of those would be suicides which are N/A for the general population of gun owners. If you're not a middle-aged white male with a long history of mental issues and typically associated substance abuse, then the risk represented is trivially small. Even in the case that you inappropriately consider all of these deaths applicable to all gun-owning households, then on any given day your odds of dying as a result of a self-inflicted gun shot would be about 1 in 850,000.

~25 would be young black men associated with drug- and gang-related criminal activity shooting each other with typically illegal guns. If you are not in that group, then the risk represented is trivially small. Again in the case that you want to inappropriately consider all applicable to all gun-owning households, then on any given day your odds of dying as a result of a gun-associated homicide would be about 1 in 2 million.

The remaining 5 would be split between very rare atypical suicides, homicides, justifiable homicides, and a relatively trivial number of accidental unintentional shootings. That would be your more appropriate number for a realistic risk basis for a typical gun in the home. (Which even then would overstate/understate the risk in any given case since it is not equal across the population based on various other factors.) That would put it at about 1 in 10 million.


>
> > So much effort and so many words to get nowhere
> > and say nothing. It's like watching a fat kid
> dog
> > paddling. lmao! Again, sorry for your loss.
>
> No effort required. You aren't any sort of
> challenge at all. Just another babbling guntard
> asshole. If you've seen one, you've seen them
> all. It's like cleaning septic tanks -- you find
> the same old shit inside every single one of them.


I'm sorry that you can't support your argument and have to post endless bullshit like this. If you could, then you wouldn't have to.

This guy sums it up perfectly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rR9IaXH1M0

The Hotdog Gala Wrote:
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> Only amateurs and wannabes attend gun shows. It's
> just a fat fuck fashion show for the latest
> tactical outfits.

You'd be surprised how many hot women are at gun shows these days. Yes, there are plenty of goobers there. But the normal public is getting into weapons more and more. I have plenty of guns and ammo but I go to watch others. Occasionally, I find something I like that isn't overpriced.

Instead of ill-informed people making fun of gun shows, they should go to one and see what it's about. If you want to poke fun afterwards, have at it. At least you wouldn't be one of those douchebags who makes idiotic statements without having actually experienced it yourself.

Reported today:

In the days since the heinous terror attacks in Paris took 130 innocent lives and wounded hundreds more, Americans have flooded into gun stores to purchase new guns and sign up for concealed carry permit classes in their respective states.

And those buying guns include many who have never owned a gun before.

The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) processed a record number of firearm-related background checks in the month of October, completing six consecutive record months. There were 1,976,759 firearm background checks in October—373,290 more than the previous year.

Self defense argument = bullshit Wrote:
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> This guy sums it up perfectly.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rR9IaXH1M0

HAHAHAHA, that's awesome. The mind of any guntard who watches it will shut down because it makes too much sense.

Libs can whine, bitch, and post bullshit stats all they want but the gun show in Chantilly will still go on. Tough shit.

holycow Wrote:
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> Self defense argument = bullshit Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > This guy sums it up perfectly.
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rR9IaXH1M0
>
> HAHAHAHA, that's awesome. The mind of any guntard
> who watches it will shut down because it makes too
> much sense.

I'm sure it makes no sense to these people too:

http://www.wtsp.com/story/news/local/florida/2015/11/13/88-year-old-florida-woman-opens-fire-intruder-her-miami-home/75695372/

http://q13fox.com/2015/11/06/when-home-intruders-kick-in-door-21-year-old-mom-runs-to-grab-pistol-drives-them-off-in-fierce-gunfight/

http://www.newson6.com/story/30465496/tulsa-police-fire-responding-to-shooting

ICE ICE Babeeeeee Wrote:
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> A few guns? Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > B52 Joe Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > I was going to go and buy a few guns at the
> gun
> > > show. Then some raging, angry libfag on FFU
> > said
> > > that would make me a coward and called
> everyone
> > > assholes and that changed my mind. Now, I
> > > completely trust the police to protect me and
> > the
> > > criminals to be nice to me. How can anyone
> > > withstand the withering pretzel logic and 3rd
> > > grade insults from the libfag? I have turned
> > all
> > > my guns over to random black folk because I
> see
> > > how I was really just a coward and loved to
> buy
> > > guns only because of a hotdog fetish. The
> > libfag
> > > told me so.
> >
> > The one thing you learn in a firefight is the
> only
> > gun you need is the one you have at that
> moment.
> > Any more is just baggage. Otherwise don't get
> hit
> > by a car or have a heart attack.
>
>
> Navy SEALS carry at least 4 weapons on every
> mission. Sometimes 5 (grenade launcher). STFU.

You a SEAL? Or just one to many movies?

awenhcherke Wrote:
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> The Hotdog Gala Wrote:
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> > Only amateurs and wannabes attend gun shows.
> It's
> > just a fat fuck fashion show for the latest
> > tactical outfits.
>
> You'd be surprised how many hot women are at gun
> shows these days. Yes, there are plenty of goobers
> there. But the normal public is getting into
> weapons more and more. I have plenty of guns and
> ammo but I go to watch others. Occasionally, I
> find something I like that isn't overpriced.
>
> Instead of ill-informed people making fun of gun
> shows, they should go to one and see what it's
> about. If you want to poke fun afterwards, have at
> it. At least you wouldn't be one of those
> douchebags who makes idiotic statements without
> having actually experienced it yourself.

Been there, done that. I saw some piglets yelling at their husbands about the mortgage overdue.

Afterwards Wrote:
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> Been there, done that. I saw some piglets yelling
> at their husbands about the mortgage overdue.

That's simply not true.

Guns save lives.

J6kF7 Wrote:
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> Guns save lives.


Got me one of those gun transplants last year. Feel a hole lot better now

Afterwards Wrote:
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> awenhcherke Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The Hotdog Gala Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Only amateurs and wannabes attend gun shows.
> > It's
> > > just a fat fuck fashion show for the latest
> > > tactical outfits.
> >
> > You'd be surprised how many hot women are at
> gun
> > shows these days. Yes, there are plenty of
> goobers
> > there. But the normal public is getting into
> > weapons more and more. I have plenty of guns
> and
> > ammo but I go to watch others. Occasionally, I
> > find something I like that isn't overpriced.
> >
> > Instead of ill-informed people making fun of
> gun
> > shows, they should go to one and see what it's
> > about. If you want to poke fun afterwards, have
> at
> > it. At least you wouldn't be one of those
> > douchebags who makes idiotic statements without
> > having actually experienced it yourself.
>
> Been there, done that. I saw some piglets yelling
> at their husbands about the mortgage overdue.

lol there's always a few wive's dragged to the show for the first...and last time. It's nothing more than a boys toy store. And everyone is a gun expert. That's why they are shopping.

Self defense argument = bullshit Wrote:
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> This guy sums it up perfectly.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rR9IaXH1M0

Man, that is awesome. Great stuff. No gun nut will ever get all the way through it without closing the browser window out of anger.

ilocbr Wrote:
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> Libs can whine, bitch, and post bullshit stats all
> they want but the gun show in Chantilly will still
> go on. Tough shit.

LOL, it better go on. Nobody wants a recession triggered by mass layoffs in the hot dog industry.

Here's a close-up picture of a guy's plate from the last show:

I watched the entire video of the sophisticated "Austrayan". I didn't turn it off. It wasn't funny, just typical Socialist bullshit.

So what does that mean. I agree with him, the best argument is "f--- off, I like guns."

Because, the 2nd amendment doesn't give us the right to our guns, it only recognizes the God-given right.

Unfortunately, Australia is a Godless country. So there.

The wall mounted defibrillator at the Dulles expo center gets the batteries drained every time there is a gun show. Several of those fat fucks have to be transported to the ER after a jolt or two. We are going to have a rescue squad on site all weekend this time.

The Nation's Gun Show is the perfect example of how stupid some people in America have become. The same idiots who bitch about rag-heads, niggers, spikes, etc. should take a serious look at others and themselves wobbling around looking for more guns. Why do these guys eat hotdogs if they're so homophobic?

Is Tailgating allowed in the parking lot?

big jimm Wrote:
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> Is Tailgating allowed in the parking lot?


No, but aggressive driving is. Cars need to get outta your way when you need that 37th gun.

Australian Clown Video Wrote:
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> So what does that mean. I agree with him, the best
> argument is "f--- off, I like guns."

Ah, perfect. Finally a gun nut admits that all the usual reasons for gun ownership are baloney, and that the real reason for gun popularity in this country is the endless sea of losers with TDD (Testosterone Deficiency Disease), who obsess over guns just to make themselves feel manly.

I think this thread has made some real progress!

ukrujrfgefjiek Wrote:
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> In the days since the heinous terror attacks in Paris
took 130 innocent lives and wounded hundreds more...

Guns in the US have taken more than 500 innocent lives and wounded thousands more.

Australian Clown Video Wrote:
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> Unfortunately, Australia is a Godless country. So there.

Hello? EVERYWHERE is a Godless country. What's wrong with you?

Syrian Terrorists are on their way! Everyone to the gun show, stock up on guns and ammo. Go home and shoot anything that moves....it's the only way to save our souls. Sound familiar?

Keeping score Wrote:
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> ukrujrfgefjiek Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > In the days since the heinous terror attacks in
> Paris
> took 130 innocent lives and wounded hundreds
> more...
>
> Guns in the US have taken more than 500 innocent
> lives and wounded thousands more.


Cars in the U.S. have taken more than 33,000 innocent lives last year and wounded thousands more. Join me this weekend in our cause to shut down all automobile dealerships.

God Save the USA Wrote:
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> Syrian Terrorists are on their way! Everyone to
> the gun show, stock up on guns and ammo. Go home
> and shoot anything that moves....it's the only way
> to save our souls. Sound familiar?

Sounds a lot like the mating call of the Right-Winged Guntard. Flocks of those came rushing through back when Baghdad shopkeepers were supposedly coming to cut off all our heads with chainsaws. Same old song of far-right fear and emotional bullshit. This is all this crowd has got.

damn Henry Ford Wrote:
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> Cars in the U.S. have taken more than 33,000
> innocent lives last year and wounded thousands
> more. Join me this weekend in our cause to shut
> down all automobile dealerships.

Cars have a million-and-one beneficial uses. Guns have none.

Cars are heavily regulated by government so as to minimize the damage that they might do. That's what needs to be done with guns as well. When are you going to grow up and realize that?

Gun damage done in the US since the Paris attacks has been more than TRIPLE what was done in those events. It will reach and surpass the level of FIVE TIMES MORE by Monday.

The thing about guys who like guns is that they are all so gross and stupid as hell. They like smell bad and just like make everyone gag like OMG, WTF everyone hates gun guys. GROSS!!

Gun guys are the same ones who can't figure out how to open a twisty-tie.

Dean... Wrote:
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> Gun guys are the same ones who can't figure out
> how to open a twisty-tie.

Don't you just shoot it?

Bird-brain watcher Wrote:
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> Sounds a lot like the mating call of the Right-Winged
> Guntard. Flocks of those came rushing through back when
> Baghdad shopkeepers were supposedly coming to cut off all
> our heads with chainsaws. Same old song of far-right fear
> and emotional bullshit. This is all this crowd has got.

Heck, I remember when the Viet Cong were going to sail across the Pacific in their fishing boats and invade San Francisco Bay. We have to fight them there so we don't have to fight them here. These looney birds have been sounding the same old alarms for decades.

If you can't screw it, kill it Wrote:
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> > Gun guys are the same ones who can't figure out
> > how to open a twisty-tie.
>
> Don't you just shoot it?

Yup! When puzzled or encountering obstacles in life, either start shooting stuff or start blowing stuff up. This is how "real men" get by in the world, bless their little hearts.

Dean... Wrote:
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> If you can't screw it, kill it Wrote:
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> -----
> > > Gun guys are the same ones who can't figure
> out
> > > how to open a twisty-tie.
> >
> > Don't you just shoot it?
>
> Yup! When puzzled or encountering obstacles in
> life, either start shooting stuff or start blowing
> stuff up. This is how "real men" get by in the
> world, bless their little hearts.

Guntards. Hahahahaha!
.
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LOL.... Wrote:
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> Guntards. Hahahahaha!
> .


These gun show guys are the very same guys who got picked on in high school and got their asses beat. You should feel sorry for them and try not to laugh.

glock block Wrote:
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>
> These gun show guys are the very same guys who got
> picked on in high school and got their asses beat.
> You should feel sorry for them and try not to
> laugh.


^ Voted most likely to get a key to the new gender-neutral bathroom.

glock block Wrote:
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> These gun show guys are the very same guys who got
> picked on in high school and got their asses beat.

Yep, that's a common cause of TDD.

> You should feel sorry for them and try not to
> laugh.

This is technically correct, but it's just so difficult! I mean, who among us can resist laughing at these monkeys?

Kilton Wrote:
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^ The classic beta male.

Here is a $1 off coupon, make sure you print it before going:

http://www.thenationsgunshow.com/coupon.html

Cheers!

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“We don’t have any rude, unpleasant people here. We’re different!”

Seriously? No tailgating? I am going tomorrow and set up my smokey joe to cook country ribs and chicken thighs. I will have chairs set up and music playing, we will see what happens.

LOL, a $1 coupon! Perfect for all the unemployed and underemployed losers who go to gun shows. Just like grandma at Safeway using all her coupons on toilet paper and milk.

Welcome to loserville!

If you see a gun guy the best thing to do is yell at him and spit in his face. They will piss their pants and run away. Happens every time.

^
Hair Club for Men should set up a booth.
They'd make a killing off all those balding losers.

I love guns and this is going to be a great gun show. This weekend's show is going to be packed. Don't count on any deals, though. The terrorist hysteria creates a supply and demand issue.

I'm still going though. The beef jerky sold there is unbeatable. Plus, it's just fun to watch all the crazy people.

i love that there are this many people that don't trust themselves enough to buy and own a gun without being or doing something stupid. Why cant anyone have a opinion and shut up, instead of making such stupid comments about others opinion.

stupidhere Wrote:
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> i love that there are this many people that don't
> trust themselves enough to buy and own a gun
> without being or doing something stupid. Why cant
> anyone have a opinion and shut up, instead of
> making such stupid comments about others opinion.


Thats a great question.

Fuck you.

i really don't know how to take that are you hitting on me

thigh man Wrote:
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> Seriously? No tailgating? I am going tomorrow and
> set up my smokey joe to cook country ribs and
> chicken thighs. I will have chairs set up and
> music playing, we will see what happens.


Yeah! Fuck it I will be there serving home made turkey and bean chili with potato salad and fried hot wings. No beer though as that would get us shut down.

Kilton Wrote:
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> LOL, a $1 coupon! Perfect for all the unemployed
> and underemployed losers who go to gun shows. Just
> like grandma at Safeway using all her coupons on
> toilet paper and milk.
>
> Welcome to loserville!
>
> src="http://truthaboutguns-zippykid.netdna-ssl.com
> /wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Gun-show-courtesy-greg
> fallisdotcom.wordpress.com_.jpg">





Which pony are you Kilton?

lulz

That looks like a cool event above, what is it? Not as many losers there vs. a gun show.

The fat cowardly losers are already lined up at the door! What a pack of ignofucks LOL!

just drove by Wrote:
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> The fat cowardly losers are already lined up at
> the door! What a pack of ignofucks LOL!


Says the 23 year old who's mother sent him to Walmart for Spaghettios

just drove by Wrote:
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> The fat cowardly losers are already lined up at
> the door! What a pack of ignofucks LOL!


Why did you just drive by there?

your mom called , go home Wrote:
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> just drove by Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The fat cowardly losers are already lined up at
> > the door! What a pack of ignofucks LOL!
>
>
> Says the 23 year old who's mother sent him to
> Walmart for Spaghettios

Take me to Walmart any day of the week vs. a gun show. Classier people at Walmart.

man of decency Wrote:
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> That looks like a cool event above, what is it?
> Not as many losers there vs. a gun show.


A lot more hair, too.

Poor butthurt asshat libtardz. You just sit their on your fat asses and insult people who are legally exercising their rights to attend an event.

Now run along. I'm sure your parents have some chores for you to do.
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man of decency Wrote:
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> That looks like a cool event above, what is it?
> Not as many losers there vs. a gun show.


You tell 'em brony.

Want to get together for froyo and argue about who's the best pony?

erjkdtkcrhg Wrote:
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> Poor butthurt asshat libtardz. You just sit their
> on your fat asses and insult people who are
> legally exercising their rights to attend an
> event.
>
> Now run along. I'm sure your parents have some
> chores for you to do.


^^^^Says the ignofuck cowardly guntard.^^^

LOL

erjkdtkcrhg Wrote:
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> Poor butthurt asshat libtardz. You just sit their
> on your fat asses and insult people who are
> legally exercising their rights to attend an
> event.

Wow! Sounds like you're pretty upset over there. Just because you love hot dogs doesn't mean you need to be offended by this thread.

You may want to fill out your own form there, slapnuts. :-)

erjkdtkcrhg Wrote:
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> Poor butthurt asshat libtardz. You just sit their
> on your fat asses and insult people who are legally
> exercising their rights to attend an event. Now run
> along. I'm sure your parents have some chores for
> you to do.

It's not illegal to be an asshole. Just stupid.

Hey, dumbass Wrote:
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> damn Henry Ford Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Cars in the U.S. have taken more than 33,000
> > innocent lives last year and wounded thousands
> > more. Join me this weekend in our cause to shut
> > down all automobile dealerships.
>
> Cars have a million-and-one beneficial uses. Guns
> have none.
>
> Cars are heavily regulated by government so as to
> minimize the damage that they might do. That's
> what needs to be done with guns as well. When are
> you going to grow up and realize that?
>

Cars are heavily regulated by government so as to make them less safe. Thousands are killed in car accidents each year, due to CAFE standards which have the effect of making cars lighter and smaller.


> Gun damage done in the US since the Paris attacks
> has been more than TRIPLE what was done in those
> events. It will reach and surpass the level of
> FIVE TIMES MORE by Monday.

Gun damage in the US is largely due to illegal guns in the hands of a population heavily victimized and infantilized by Democrat policies.

Looking forward to the gun show!

I work for the plumbing contractor used by the Dulles expo center and I am on call this weekend. I am heading over there now even though they have not called yet. These fat asses clog the toilets over and over every single time there is a show. At least I will get some serious overtime pay right before Christmas.

nemesis Wrote:
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> Cars are heavily regulated by government so as to
> make them less safe. Thousands are killed in car
> accidents each year, due to CAFE standards which
> have the effect of making cars lighter and smaller.

Right! Hop in the Hummer and go get some more guns, you fucking moron. Don't worry, you'll be safe. The roads have al;l met safety design standards and even manly-man Hummers come with government-mandated seat belts, air bags, and emission controls. Manly-man is actually Bubble-Boy.

> Gun damage in the US is largely due to illegal
> guns in the hands of a population heavily
> victimized and infantilized by Democrat policies.

Gun damage in the US is largely due to GUNS. It's just the really stupid people who can't seem to catch up to that fact.

> Looking forward to the gun show!

Six with mustard and kraut, please?

A true American pro-gun advocate would shoot himself in a none life threatening area of his body to prove to the anti-gun freaks that you are a strong macho individual and not the chickenshit coward that liberals think you are.

Still looking forward to the gun show.
Still hotter than your wife. A. Lot.
Still a better shot than you.

Do they sell ammo?

Kilton Wrote:
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> Wow! Sounds like you're pretty upset over there.
> Just because you love hot dogs doesn't mean you
> need to be offended by this thread.
>
> You may want to fill out your own form there,
> slapnuts. :-)


Which pony are you Kilton?

LOL... Wrote:
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>
> Gun damage in the US is largely due to GUNS. It's
> just the really stupid people who can't seem to
> catch up to that fact.
>


Northern VA (and the state of VA beyond) has lots of guns. Gun stores. Gun shows. Few gun control restrictions. Easy to get shall-issue carry permits. A gun ownership rate of +36%.

DC has very, very few legally owned guns. No gun stores. No gun shows. Very difficult to get permits. Strong gun control laws. Same with Baltimore. Gun ownership rates are less than 3%.

Gun violence in NoVA is at trivial levels.

Gun violence in DC and Baltimore is 10X!!! that of NoVA (at least).

Why?

Facts4U Wrote:
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> LOL... Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > Gun damage in the US is largely due to GUNS.
> It's
> > just the really stupid people who can't seem to
> > catch up to that fact.
> >
>
>
> Northern VA (and the state of VA beyond) has lots
> of guns. Gun stores. Gun shows. Few gun control
> restrictions. Easy to get shall-issue carry
> permits. A gun ownership rate of +36%.
>
> DC has very, very few legally owned guns. No gun
> stores. No gun shows. Very difficult to get
> permits. Strong gun control laws. Same with
> Baltimore. Gun ownership rates are less than 3%.
>
> Gun violence in NoVA is at trivial levels.
>
> Gun violence in DC and Baltimore is 10X!!! that of
> NoVA (at least).
>
> Why?


I don't expect you to be able to understand. You have already proven it.

alright one more time Wrote:
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> Facts4U Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > LOL... Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > >
> > > Gun damage in the US is largely due to GUNS.
> > It's
> > > just the really stupid people who can't seem
> to
> > > catch up to that fact.
> > >
> >
> >
> > Northern VA (and the state of VA beyond) has
> lots
> > of guns. Gun stores. Gun shows. Few gun
> control
> > restrictions. Easy to get shall-issue carry
> > permits. A gun ownership rate of +36%.
> >
> > DC has very, very few legally owned guns. No
> gun
> > stores. No gun shows. Very difficult to get
> > permits. Strong gun control laws. Same with
> > Baltimore. Gun ownership rates are less than
> 3%.
> >
> > Gun violence in NoVA is at trivial levels.
> >
> > Gun violence in DC and Baltimore is 10X!!! that
> of
> > NoVA (at least).
> >
> > Why?
>
>
> I don't expect you to be able to understand. You
> have already proven it.


So in other words ya got nuthin. lol

Facts4U Wrote:
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> Gun violence in DC and Baltimore is 10X!!! that of
> NoVA (at least). Why?

Gun-violence in all of those places is caused by guns. Not sure it can be dumbed-down any further for you.

Rock Bottom Wrote:
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> Facts4U Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Gun violence in DC and Baltimore is 10X!!! that
> of
> > NoVA (at least). Why?
>
> Gun-violence in all of those places is caused by
> guns. Not sure it can be dumbed-down any further
> for you.


I got a kick out of " Gun ownership rates are less than 3%"
Yeah, lol . Legal gun ownership maybe.

Rock Bottom Wrote:
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> Facts4U Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Gun violence in DC and Baltimore is 10X!!! that
> of
> > NoVA (at least). Why?
>
> Gun-violence in all of those places is caused by
> guns. Not sure it can be dumbed-down any further
> for you.


NoVA - More guns, less gun control, but far less gun violence.

DC - Less guns, more gun control, but 10X!!! more gun violence.

Hmmm... They say that guns from VA are why DC's rate is so high. But NoVA's rate where there are more guns is very, very low.

Why?