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DeCelles is at it again
Posted by: DeCelles I'm not ()
Date: October 29, 2015 09:15AM

He complains about the media and politicians for interfering with his hateful and discriminatory agenda, then with a sleight of hand "endorses" a slate of candidates in Tuesday's election. Just read his November 1 bulletin. Hopefully our new Bishop will send this ham-fisted bigot packing soon - back to Texas where he belongs.

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Re: DeCelles is at it again
Posted by: cry me a river ()
Date: October 29, 2015 09:41AM

New bishop? We've had the same bishop for 16 years. Your butt must be so hurt from the pounding your boyfriend gives it.

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Re: DeCelles is at it again
Posted by: dejesus ()
Date: October 29, 2015 10:38AM

cry me a river Wrote:
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> New bishop? We've had the same bishop for 16
> years. Your butt must be so hurt from the
> pounding your boyfriend gives it.


Bishop Loverde turned 75 in September, the retirement age for bishops.

His replacement will be named in the next few months.

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Re: DeCelles is at it again
Posted by: ho hum ()
Date: October 29, 2015 10:42AM

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Re: DeCelles is at it again
Posted by: 6513occ ()
Date: October 29, 2015 11:13AM

We need more Fr. DeCelles and less Ryan McElveen.

Sorry he hurt your feelings =(

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Re: DeCelles is at it again
Posted by: Bill.N. ()
Date: October 29, 2015 12:11PM

Is that guy still around? I used to hear horror stories about him from friends about 10-15 years ago.

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Re: DeCelles is at it again
Posted by: AggieFan ()
Date: October 29, 2015 03:19PM

He's still here, until his seven year term at St. Raymond's expires in 4 years. I'm buying my celebratory balloons early.

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Re: DeCelles is at it again
Posted by: Absolutely ()
Date: October 29, 2015 03:25PM

Fr. DeCelles tries to help people; Ryan McElveen helps himself and does not care about others.

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Re: DeCelles is at it again
Posted by: Nativity ()
Date: October 29, 2015 05:09PM

Hundreds of former St. Raymond's parishioners have moved to Nativity in recent years since he arrived. It's a much more welcoming and uplifting place that is open to all. You walk out feeling uplifted and happy each week not like a piece of crap which is how Deceles makes you feel.

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Re: DeCelles is at it again
Posted by: duTxw ()
Date: October 29, 2015 06:22PM

DeCelles is a cancer.

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Re: DeCelles is at it again
Posted by: Mark j ()
Date: October 29, 2015 08:46PM

Are you at this again????

"Not decelle". ..get a life! You are beyond stupid to go to mass at this parish...you are obviously a f'N lib...you better fit at Nativity...go there and good riddance...

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Re: DeCelles is at it again
Posted by: Steve b ()
Date: October 29, 2015 09:18PM

It is time for the bishop to act.
Whether you agree with the priest's far right leanings, he is violating the Constitution as well as jeopardizing the tax exempt status of the Church.
He is a west Texas conservative, an accountant by training, then a priest by his version of a calling. I applaud him for finding God.
But Father Gould had a way of having you think without demeaning you. He was a real priest.
Time for him to go and the cabal of extremist advisers he uses to justify the positions he creates, all in the name of God. Time for change.

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Re: DeCelles is at it again
Posted by: Quality Watcher ()
Date: October 29, 2015 09:55PM

Steve b Wrote:
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> It is time for the bishop to act.
> Whether you agree with the priest's far right
> leanings, he is violating the Constitution as well
> as jeopardizing the tax exempt status of the
> Church.
> He is a west Texas conservative, an accountant by
> training, then a priest by his version of a
> calling. I applaud him for finding God.
> But Father Gould had a way of having you think
> without demeaning you. He was a real priest.
> Time for him to go and the cabal of extremist
> advisers he uses to justify the positions he
> creates, all in the name of God. Time for change.

I'd love to know how he is "violating the Constitution." Please enlighten us.

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Re: DeCelles is at it again
Posted by: Steve b ()
Date: October 29, 2015 10:09PM

QW...you are correct, I misspoke.

Meant seperation of church and state..

Not really Constitutional, is it.

Just one of those inviolate principles of our country....unless you think that the clergy should be deeply involved in elections. That has worked out really well in the Middle East with their clergy directing the populace via religious guilt and directed voting.

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Re: DeCelles is at it again
Posted by: Quality Watcher ()
Date: October 30, 2015 08:06AM

Steve b Wrote:
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> QW...you are correct, I misspoke.
>
> Meant seperation of church and state..
>
> Not really Constitutional, is it.
>
> Just one of those inviolate principles of our
> country....unless you think that the clergy should
> be deeply involved in elections. That has worked
> out really well in the Middle East with their
> clergy directing the populace via religious guilt
> and directed voting.


The First Amendment's Establishment clause is a restriction on the Government, not the people. Religious organizations are free to speak (freedom of speech and religious expression). Urging church members to vote in accordance with their religious and moral principles (which is all DeCelles is doing) is perfectly fine.

You really should learn a little more about the Constitution and why your analogy to the Middle East is deeply flawed.

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Re: DeCelles is at it again
Posted by: questionablechange ()
Date: October 30, 2015 01:48PM

For the most part, we avoid his masses. He can give a great homily, but you never know what you will get and when you have little kids, it was getting old to hear homilies every week about homosexuality and gay marriage. We have no issues with the teaching or hearing about it, but it was endless for awhile.

I'm sure it's ramping up again being election day soon. Not to mention, the drama with FCPS school board. That was the other frustrating thing, in the spring when he basically told parents they should take their kids out of FCPS and homeschool or do Catholic school (which he would help pay for?!). Nevermind that he has parishioners that are FCPS employees and he doesn't seem to mind getting their weekly contribution.

I feel he's a bit nervous about what will happen when a new bishop comes aboard and if he will finish off his time at st rays.

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Re: DeCelles is at it again
Posted by: Steve b ()
Date: October 30, 2015 05:13PM

Again, thanks to QW for a focused civics lesson.
In this area, churches have historically not directly involved themselves in political endorsement of specific candidates. They have usually restricted themselves to generalized statements exhorting the masses to vote according to religious principles. The problem is the definition of those principles. Our current pope must be confusing to Decelles. Charity, love, acts of kindness....the removal of or lack of direction toward those tenets is why we ceased attending there. His pulpit lashings about the public schools showed his ignorance of what they did or were doing. He wasn't interested, it was opposite of his upbringing in Texas. Boy Scouts thrown out, money they raised seized by him, parents told to keep crying small children home...
Now this. Jeopardize the tax exempt status of the church by openly and firmly demanding parishioners vote according to his political leanings.
Yes, the Middle East analogy is extreme, would have been worse if it wasn't stated to me by a clergyman.

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Re: DeCelles is at it again
Posted by: Amen ()
Date: November 01, 2015 09:35PM

Amen brother. Go elsewhere if you seek love, compassion, understanding or forgiveness. However, if ye seek Salem re the 1690's, this place is for you.

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Re: DeCelles is at it again
Posted by: Amen, amen, dico vobis ()
Date: November 02, 2015 07:43AM

Amen Wrote:
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> Amen brother. Go elsewhere if you seek love,
> compassion, understanding or forgiveness. However,
> if ye seek Salem re the 1690's, this place is for
> you.


Surely you mean Salem ca. the 1690s.

Also, the Puritans, not the Catholics, burned the witches.

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Re: DeCelles is at it again
Posted by: AggieFan ()
Date: November 04, 2015 01:31PM

Well now, how did those endorsements work for you?

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Re: DeCelles is at it again
Posted by: mark j ()
Date: November 04, 2015 06:30PM

Stevie B...Nativity welcomes you with open arms...now get going!!

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Re: DeCelles is at it again
Posted by: Going, going, gone ()
Date: November 05, 2015 10:52AM

Yes, I do think it is time to move on to Nativity. When even apparent parishioners are not open to a meaningful dialogue, my parish has lost its way. I will always remember walking through the woods with Fr. Gould before the first bulldozers commenced their work, looking for the crucifix that we had attached to a tree the year before. That was real Catholicism - inviting one and all to participate as a community of faith without questioning their attire, their noisy children, or their voting record. I miss those days at West Springfield HS when the very idea of building a new parish was sometimes in doubt...but our evenings together in the basement of the Hooes Road rectory bound us to work for the ultimate goal regardless of our personal differences. Perhaps we'll return in a few years, perhaps not. Until then, . . .

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Re: DeCelles is at it again
Posted by: Bill.N. ()
Date: November 05, 2015 11:15AM

Amen, amen, dico vobis Wrote:
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> Surely you mean Salem ca. the 1690s.
>
> Also, the Puritans, not the Catholics, burned the
> witches.

The Salem witch scare was the Puritans. However no witches were burned. The executions were by hanging. I believe one man was crushed to death, but he had not been condemned. I am not aware of any witch burnings by English colonists in the new world. I believe the Spanish did.

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Re: DeCelles is at it again
Posted by: Question2 ()
Date: November 06, 2015 08:50AM

What makes Nativity so much better?

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Re: DeCelles is at it again
Posted by: Nativity ()
Date: November 06, 2015 10:44AM

I'd say the homilies are much more positive and uplifting. Nativity priests focus on positive themes while St. Ray's focuses on negative ones.

You leave St. Ray's feeling guilty and mad as you are told that you are a no good sinner, that the word is full of homosexuals that will ruin society and that you are a piece of shit if you don't hate them and march against abortion every weekend, etc.

Nativity preaches about accepting everybody, forgiveness and hope. You walk out feeling uplifted and hopeful rather that bad about your self and the world.

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Re: DeCelles is at it again
Posted by: Question2 ()
Date: November 06, 2015 11:52AM

Thanks. I believe that I fall into the forgiveness and understanding camp.

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Re: DeCelles is at it again
Posted by: Hangup ()
Date: November 06, 2015 03:50PM

Decelles definitely has a Hangup on gay marriage. He once mentioned it about 5 weeks straight in homilies.

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Re: DeCelles is at it again
Posted by: Tourney ()
Date: November 06, 2015 06:46PM

Decelles is a fascist bigot.

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Re: DeCelles is at it again
Posted by: Papa Frank ()
Date: November 06, 2015 07:28PM

The fact the Decelles is a parish priest speaks to the serious shortage of priests in the Church. No way should he have a parish. He needs to be squirreled away in a monastery somewhere, where he can do no further damage to the faith.

This guy is so obsessed with gays it's troubling. He needs help. Indeed, Fr. DeCelles has become confused about the teachings of the Church. I expect the new bishop will lay down the law with him.

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Re: DeCelles is at it again
Posted by: StealingfromCubScouts ()
Date: November 06, 2015 08:11PM

DeCelles may be a homophobic bigot but we shouldn't forget that he also steals from Cub Scouts. Any idea how his Trail Life group did after he plundered and kicked out the Boy Scouts and Cub Scouts?

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Re: DeCelles is at it again
Posted by: Hangup ()
Date: November 06, 2015 08:27PM

I'm not sure if it's still active. It was a shame since several Catholic Churches across the country sponsor troops. I can understand the Girl Scouts since they straight up donate to planned parenthood. But there was likely no gay leaders interested in joining the pack there.

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Re: DeCelles is at it again
Posted by: Nativity ()
Date: November 08, 2015 08:17AM

You are correct about stealing money from the Boy Scouts. How anyone could do that after those kids worked their butts off to raise that money is beyond me. It's unconscionable. The fact that a priest did it, really shows his true colors. Not a nice man, not a good role model, not fit to counsel others. He ought to be ashamed of himself.

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Re: DeCelles is at it again
Posted by: Pot calling kettle! ()
Date: November 08, 2015 08:53AM

A lot of research in recent years revealing that homophonic people are gay.

Maybe Fr. DeCelles is projecting his own self hate on the congregation.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/29/opinion/sunday/homophobic-maybe-youre-gay.html?_r=0

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Re: DeCelles is at it again
Posted by: Quality Watcher ()
Date: November 08, 2015 12:59PM

Nativity Wrote:
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> You are correct about stealing money from the Boy
> Scouts. How anyone could do that after those kids
> worked their butts off to raise that money is
> beyond me. It's unconscionable. The fact that a
> priest did it, really shows his true colors. Not
> a nice man, not a good role model, not fit to
> counsel others. He ought to be ashamed of
> himself.


It's not stealing when it always belonged to you in the first place.

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Re: DeCelles is at it again
Posted by: Hangup ()
Date: November 08, 2015 07:52PM

Yes, technically it was the troops money and he transferred it to the new life trail troop. The issue was with kids who didn't want to do trail life and had to find a new troop and lose what they had done.

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Re: DeCelles is at it again
Posted by: Shutup ()
Date: November 08, 2015 08:34PM

Hey hang up...did not know Girl Scouts contributed to planned parenthood..now I will not by anymore cookies...I do not support murderers

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Re: DeCelles is at it again
Posted by: AggieFan ()
Date: November 09, 2015 08:59AM

Oh my goodness. Just think what DeCelles will write next week about the Starbucks red cup controversy. The End of Days is upon us.

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Re: DeCelles is at it again
Posted by: Nativity ()
Date: November 09, 2015 10:11AM

Quality Watcher Wrote:
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> Nativity Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > You are correct about stealing money from the
> Boy
> > Scouts. How anyone could do that after those
> kids
> > worked their butts off to raise that money is
> > beyond me. It's unconscionable. The fact that
> a
> > priest did it, really shows his true colors.
> Not
> > a nice man, not a good role model, not fit to
> > counsel others. He ought to be ashamed of
> > himself.
>
>
> It's not stealing when it always belonged to you
> in the first place.


Not true, the money belonged to the Boy Scouts. It would be like joining a kids soccer club and having the coach give all the player's money given to an ice hockey team instead. They wanted to be Scouts, they raised money as Scouts to earn Scouting related benefits. He took their money to fund another unrelated group.

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Re: DeCelles is at it again
Posted by: Hoompa Papa ()
Date: November 09, 2015 11:28AM

I would expect better from a former CPA. Now - On to the War Against Christmas.

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Re: DeCelles is at it again
Posted by: cnDvX ()
Date: November 09, 2015 05:51PM

As far as getting a new bishop, Arlington is about 8th on the list of Dioceses whose bishop has aged out, so it may be another six months if we're lucky. We are behind Rockville Center NY, Lafayette LA, Memphis TN, and Anchorage AK among others. They don't necessarily do them in order by any means, but they may not see Arlington as anything to hurry about.

Also, pastors in Arlington do not have fixed terms. Someone mentioned 7 years above, but there is no official term. They do try not to let it go into double digits, especially with an older man because it can be really hard to get them to move on, but if the situation demands it, such as an ongoing capital campaign, they'll let it happen.

DeCelles has been in his current spot for 5 years as of last July. He was named administrator for the first year, then that was extended for a second year, and finally made pastor at the beginning of his third year.

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Re: DeCelles is at it again
Posted by: Quality Watcher ()
Date: November 09, 2015 06:19PM

Nativity Wrote:
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> Quality Watcher Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Nativity Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > You are correct about stealing money from the
> > Boy
> > > Scouts. How anyone could do that after those
> > kids
> > > worked their butts off to raise that money is
> > > beyond me. It's unconscionable. The fact
> that
> > a
> > > priest did it, really shows his true colors.
> > Not
> > > a nice man, not a good role model, not fit to
> > > counsel others. He ought to be ashamed of
> > > himself.
> >
> >
> > It's not stealing when it always belonged to
> you
> > in the first place.
>
>
> Not true, the money belonged to the Boy Scouts.
> It would be like joining a kids soccer club and
> having the coach give all the player's money given
> to an ice hockey team instead. They wanted to be
> Scouts, they raised money as Scouts to earn
> Scouting related benefits. He took their money to
> fund another unrelated group.

Sorry, you are incorrect. The money belongs to the charter organization (the Church), not the Scouts. I'm not necessarily agreeing with the move, but it wasn't theft.

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Re: DeCelles is at it again
Posted by: cnDvX ()
Date: November 09, 2015 06:57PM

The real problem with the Scouts & the money is that DeCelles lacks the insight to understand that the perception of his action is more important that the "rule." However, that lack of insight has marked his tenure at St. Raymonds and, as a result, he is proud of some of his poorest decisions.

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Re: DeCelles is at it again
Posted by: Nativity ()
Date: November 10, 2015 09:15AM

Quality Watcher Wrote:
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> Nativity Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Quality Watcher Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Nativity Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > You are correct about stealing money from
> the
> > > Boy
> > > > Scouts. How anyone could do that after
> those
> > > kids
> > > > worked their butts off to raise that money
> is
> > > > beyond me. It's unconscionable. The fact
> > that
> > > a
> > > > priest did it, really shows his true colors.
>
> > > Not
> > > > a nice man, not a good role model, not fit
> to
> > > > counsel others. He ought to be ashamed of
> > > > himself.
> > >
> > >
> > > It's not stealing when it always belonged to
> > you
> > > in the first place.
> >
> >
> > Not true, the money belonged to the Boy Scouts.
>
> > It would be like joining a kids soccer club and
> > having the coach give all the player's money
> given
> > to an ice hockey team instead. They wanted to
> be
> > Scouts, they raised money as Scouts to earn
> > Scouting related benefits. He took their money
> to
> > fund another unrelated group.
>
> Sorry, you are incorrect. The money belongs to
> the charter organization (the Church), not the
> Scouts. I'm not necessarily agreeing with the
> move, but it wasn't theft.


Fair enough if that's what he charter says. However, given the circumstances and the children involved it was their money and in my opinion he stole it. He's not a nice person and it's a shame that the lesson he chose to teach those kids is that life isn't fair and you cannot trust people ...even clergy. He's a sad and petty man who has no perspective. Spirituality and religion are about having a relationship with God and being better people. Kindness, forgiveness and doing the right thing should be paramount. I hope one day he realizes that.

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Re: DeCelles is at it again
Posted by: Hoopa papa ()
Date: November 10, 2015 12:17PM

How true. The $3,500 and change "owed" the scouts would not have bankrupt St. Rays. I believe that it was more of the opportunity to stick it to the scouts.

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Re: DeCelles is at it again
Posted by: Tyrone2 ()
Date: November 10, 2015 02:10PM

Damn it. Is DeCelles the only priest that hasn't abused children? Are we sure?

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Re: DeCelles is at it again
Posted by: N76nW ()
Date: November 10, 2015 03:03PM

DeCelles is a thief and a cancer. There is no God in that man.

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Re: DeCelles is at it again
Posted by: PumpedUp ()
Date: November 13, 2015 09:46AM

This week its a diatribe against "leftists." My goodness, this priest is the gift that keeps on giving. Better than HBO.

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Re: DeCelles is at it again
Posted by: FaithFamilyFriends ()
Date: November 21, 2015 12:55AM

Sad to see by these posts how ignorant people are about Catholic teaching. Father DeCelles may not be warm & fuzzy like Fr. Gould, but both are holy priests and we are blessed in this diocese to have so many of them -- thanks to Bishop Keating, then Loverde. Many many folks are at St Raymond's precisely because of Fr DeCelles and we are so grateful to hear the truth, no matter how "uncool" in today's PC culture!

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Re: DeCelles is at it again
Posted by: FriendofAggie ()
Date: November 23, 2015 12:38PM

Yup, it's uncool to single out crying children, single Mothers, and the Boy Scouts. Oh wait, that's DeCelles in a nutshell.

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Re: DeCelles is at it again
Posted by: HoopaLoopa ()
Date: November 24, 2015 08:54AM

Let us not forget the homophobia and gender bias. Uncool, DeCelles, uncool.

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Re: DeCelles is at it again
Posted by: AggieFan ()
Date: November 25, 2015 12:57PM

. . .where is Fr. Gould?

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Re: DeCelles is at it again
Posted by: Anyman ()
Date: November 25, 2015 09:47PM

Just go to another church already if you are not unhappy. I'm grateful for anyone who is a priest and it's a tough job to toe the line between doctrine and delivery. Lord knows I couldn't do it. DeCelles is correct on doctrine - the church opposes both gay marriage and planned parethood because it is a huge abortion provider. I understand the delivery part...but move on!

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Re: DeCelles is at it again
Posted by: Topsy Turvy ()
Date: January 14, 2016 10:15AM

Yup, its a new year and this week our angst in directed at Donald Trump (a threat to DeCelles' infatuation with Ted Cruz perhaps).

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Re: DeCelles is at it again
Posted by: mark j ()
Date: January 14, 2016 07:20PM

Fr. Gould is in Warrenton.

okay, time to move on people! If you are not happy at St Ray's, go somewhere else. Doctrine is doctrine and will not change bc YOU and the libs/commies are unhappy or don't believe the same.

find a church (Catholic or non Cath) and get moving! run along now and play nice

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Re: DeCelles is at it again
Posted by: Nativity ()
Date: January 14, 2016 09:52PM

Move on? No thanks. Some of us fight for what we believe in... but we appreciate your advice.

It's not about doctrine it's about being a nice person or not. He is not a nice person, he's mean spirited and close minded.

By the way, Church doctrine (in fact the very basis of much of the Catholic faith) is about forgiveness, helping those in need and being kind to the poor and needy. When is the last time he preached about these issues?? Instead he chooses to focus on gay rights, abortion and politics. And his homilies are designed to make you feel bad about yourself instead of uplifting. He focuses on the negative not the positive.

And, oh yeah.. he effectively stole money from kids who worked their butts off to earn it.

Move on? I have moved on from his mean spirited masses by moving to another parish like hundreds of others have done. But I am not letting it go.

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Re: DeCelles is at it again
Posted by: yopsy turvy ()
Date: January 15, 2016 08:23AM

Amen to the comments from Nativity. Mercy is an unknown concept at St. Rays. We'll see you at Nativity this weekend.

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Re: DeCelles is at it again
Posted by: expat st rays ()
Date: January 15, 2016 01:15PM

Intolerance and injustice will never be thwarted by silence.

Shame on all of you who resort to name calling and "be quiet and go elsewhere" retorts. It was a failure to bring perceived wrongdoing to light years ago which placed our Church in the reviled moral position that it is in today.

Rejoice in dissent...consider it...for it may hold a kernel of truth.

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Re: DeCelles is at it again
Posted by: Query??? ()
Date: January 20, 2016 09:22AM

What are the chances of Fr. Gould returning?

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Re: DeCelles is at it again
Posted by: Expat StRays2 ()
Date: January 20, 2016 11:00PM

Indeed there are many who built the church only to leave in search of the word of God, not the word of a right wingnut.
Be positive, uplifting? Not able to pull that off. And his cabal of advisors don't like that kind of Catholic Church. They like narrow and right wing, because they are as well.
It is time for a change in leadership back to the warmth and Gospels that brought St. Raymond's together, held it together through the Holy Fire Hall, the Father Cuillo debacle. Father Gould stood up and forgave Father Cuillo in front of everyone, the living Gospel for all to see.
Decelles just doesn't have it in him to act in that manner.
It's time.

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Re: DeCelles is at it again
Posted by: yopsy turvy ()
Date: January 21, 2016 09:15AM

Amen to the last post. We wept over Fr. Cuillo's betrayal of our trust - and money - yet the ability of our parish, led by Fr. Gould, to forgive was a lesson to all who believe in the goodness of mankind and our Church.

Nothing like it has been seen on Pohick Road since that time. We pray that one day the cloud of intolerance that has descended upon us will be removed, hopefully to an administrative position where no further harm can be done.

Ours is a loving and tolerant Church. The present occupant of our rectory will never understand that.

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Re: DeCelles is at it again
Posted by: herewego ()
Date: February 19, 2016 08:22AM

Cannot wait to see DeCelles twist himself into knots defending the GOP this weekend.

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Re: DeCelles is at it again
Posted by: xGHW9 ()
Date: February 19, 2016 08:34AM

Personally, I am very happy to see the Pope pitch into politics and call those who disagree with his political views “un-Christian.” This is going to smoke out a ton of hypocrisy on the part of those who normally would go nuts if anyone else said that about them. And nothing like seeing hypocrisy.

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Re: DeCelles is at it again
Posted by: expat st rays ()
Date: February 19, 2016 03:13PM

Hard to explain away torture, the ordered killing of parents and children, and multiple marriages/affairs. But do not fear, he'll find a way to do it.

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Re: DeCelles is at it again
Posted by: Fuck you, Oborona ()
Date: February 19, 2016 06:33PM

nDbLD

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Decelles disses women again
Posted by: Decelles disses women again ()
Date: March 12, 2016 03:54PM

Now he declines Pope Francis' invitation to wash women's feet on Holy Thursday, essentially saying that he would be distracted.

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Re: DeCelles is at it again
Posted by: Mark j ()
Date: March 12, 2016 10:36PM

Who cares...I would not want to wash your f'N feet either! Re-read the bulletin again moron, he included everyone...all races, young, old ,etc .you need to be in the confession line!

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Re: DeCelles is at it again
Posted by: uwb4V ()
Date: March 13, 2016 09:41AM

Many are hundreds of years behind the Holy Father.

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Re: DeCelles is at it again
Posted by: AgainAgain ()
Date: March 14, 2016 11:13AM

Yeah, he tried to include "everyone" in his denial, then he makes specific references to men being distracted by women. His history speaks for itself, so you cannot interpret this as an all encompassing decision. Listening to the murmurs after Mass this weekend, many would agree. It won't change a thing though; he's infallible in his own eyes.

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Re: DeCelles is at it again
Posted by: hangup ()
Date: March 14, 2016 02:31PM

I chuckled at the bulletin post because it's exactly what we would expect from him. I don't understand why he couldn't have just kept it being the altar servers, saying he wanted to keep with parish tradition. The pope and bishop allows girl alter servers, yet St. Raymonds doesn't and it doesn't seem to be a big deal to anyone. I think it's too bad to remove it completely from Holy Thursday mass.

I find it interesting that two employees left in such a short time (plant manager and RE director). One by choice and one pushed out, but still?!

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Re: DeCelles is at it again
Posted by: herewego ()
Date: March 14, 2016 03:19PM

Those who remain will support him no matter what he says or does. The rest await his transfer to another unsuspecting parish.

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Re: DeCelles is at it again
Posted by: tax lawyer ()
Date: March 14, 2016 03:31PM

>"endorses" a slate of candidates in Tuesday's election

I don't have a dog in this race, but here's a little something to think about.

Most, but not all, churches enjoy the benefits of tax exempt status under the IRS tax code. Churches are generally free to express whatever beliefs they have about issues; but endorsing specific candidates for public office is believed by many who know to violate the tax law, and can lead to revocation of tax exempt status.

I'm surprised the Archdiocese of Arlington doesn't give local churches better guidance. Or maybe they have a different opinion?

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Re: DeCelles is at it again
Posted by: hangup ()
Date: March 14, 2016 04:42PM

I don't think the diocese can control every homily given by every priest in the diocese. Most know not to get into politics but some don't care.

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Re: DeCelles is at it again
Posted by: JphtD ()
Date: March 14, 2016 05:07PM

>I don't think the diocese can control every homily given by every priest in the diocese. Most know not to get into politics but some don't care.

They have certainly failed to control the priest's other interests over the years. Or did they share them?

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Re: DeCelles is at it again
Posted by: hangup ()
Date: March 14, 2016 05:18PM

Decelle's interests or in general?

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Re: DeCelles is at it again
Posted by: No DeCelles Fan ()
Date: March 15, 2016 06:05PM

I'm not sure why this troubles anyone. After all, he only wanted to fondle the feet of alter boys. Now that he can't do just young boys he doesn't want to do it at all.

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Re: DeCelles is at it again
Posted by: hangup ()
Date: April 12, 2016 03:54PM

He's at it again a little after the popes new document. He is NOT a fan of pope Francis.

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Re: DeCelles is at it again
Posted by: DkDuW ()
Date: April 12, 2016 09:35PM

DeCelles is a cancer.

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Re: DeCelles is at it again
Posted by: hangup ()
Date: May 09, 2016 03:49PM

this week's homily was a fun one. ugh

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Re: DeCelles is at it again
Posted by: jgo ()
Date: May 09, 2016 04:05PM

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Re: DeCelles is at it again
Posted by: Mark j ()
Date: May 09, 2016 09:47PM

Ditto jgo..you others, move along now

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Re: DeCelles is at it again
Posted by: herewego ()
Date: May 12, 2016 09:48AM

I cannot wait for his reaction to Pope Francis's comments regarding the possibility of women becoming Deacons. His head will probably explode.

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Re: DeCelles is at it again
Posted by: topsytwo ()
Date: May 12, 2016 03:43PM

I thought I heard a scream on Pohick Road this afternoon.

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Re: DeCelles is at it again
Posted by: hangup2 ()
Date: June 13, 2016 02:03PM

Rats - he avoided a transfer yet again. Another year of angst.

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Re: DeCelles is at it again
Posted by: mark j ()
Date: June 13, 2016 08:07PM

Well, to eliminate "angst", try going to another church or get some Xanax

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Re: DeCelles is at it again
Posted by: hmmmm ()
Date: June 14, 2016 08:49PM

> Indeed there are many who built the church only to leave in search of the word of God, not the word of a right wingnut

doing good in a world of debt and lying is not easy as deciding to do it. there are limitations even if one knows how (what to do) such as MONEY which people are very quick to hide no matter what deed is being done, unless it serves their cadre. you would quickly hear cackles over a phone and accusations you need their "mental care" if you asked for aid doing something "right".

also the Church does not have a policy of "once your in your mine and must slave in boring prayer". they have study and building (sects). but also it's not required to stay. infact to gain more in their ranks they may wish to loosen the "impending nature of committing to it" (though still being non-competing for local wealth or women, therefore being trusted by others, while serving). i'm sure they are in the public more and probably have phones (not all, depends upon the "order"). unfortuntely in the past things like poverty where great attractors and there must be a wave of something differnt without that to keep community services active. communities are not together and dont plan the community as they once had - and it shows. what that would be that is not such a shock to those considering (study ability (offtime planning), years expected of service, etc), i have no comment i dont know. i would be the wrong person to ask due to my quests, age, other status.

> Be positive, uplifting?
i might visit their home and demand compliance. "sure you say halleluia when your here. what did you do after you left this week. huh?? pay up!!"

there is prayer then there is proving time to pray by production without theft (noting - without being stopped by those wishing to keep control amongst themselves). nothing is easy. keeping in the order not easy. leaving after a stay and expecting to provide great things and have others follow in the same way - and dimish those who were not doing so in comparison, would not be easy when attempted.

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Re: DeCelles is at it again
Posted by: Judas ()
Date: June 14, 2016 11:19PM

Huh??
You have some good weed hmmmmm...

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Re: DeCelles is at it again
Posted by: herewego ()
Date: June 15, 2016 09:49AM

DeCelles and the High Sparrow.....perfect together.

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Re: DeCelles is at it again
Posted by: 6513occ ()
Date: June 15, 2016 02:07PM

hangup2 Wrote:
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> Rats - he avoided a transfer yet again. Another
> year of angst.

Unsurprising. He is extremely well-liked by parishoners. As documented by this thread, those who don't like him have plenty of other options. For those of us that do actually like being challenged by the Catholic faith instead of being coddled and told how much Jesus loves us despite our terribly sinful lives, we'll stay.

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Re: DeCelles is at it again
Posted by: Bill.N. ()
Date: June 15, 2016 02:18PM

hangup2 Wrote:
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> Rats - he avoided a transfer yet again. Another
> year of angst.


Or you could remember that courtesy of the Great Schism, the Reformation and the First Amendment, YOU HAVE CHOICES. Your parish priest no longer holds the only key to your salvation.

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Re: DeCelles is at it again
Posted by: hangup2 ()
Date: June 15, 2016 02:29PM

With all due respect to the last poster, the current resident of the St. Raymond's rectory would disagree.

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Re: DeCelles is at it again
Posted by: bangup2 ()
Date: June 15, 2016 02:55PM

hangup2 Wrote:
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> With all due respect to the last poster, the
> current resident of the St. Raymond's rectory
> would disagree.


Bill.N. is a prototypical beta male so he can be ignored.

That being said, move on from St. Raymond's. There are a dozen other options in Fairfax. If you don't like the tenor and tone of the parish, leave. Please.

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Re: DeCelles is at it again
Posted by: hangup2 ()
Date: June 15, 2016 04:01PM

We've discussed moving on for a year or so and yes I guess it's time. Sorry to leave, of course, but our Catholic upbringing stressed love and compassion...how we long for the days of Fr. Gould.

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Re: DeCelles is at it again
Posted by: Bill.N. ()
Date: June 15, 2016 05:14PM

hangup2 Wrote:
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> With all due respect to the last poster, the
> current resident of the St. Raymond's rectory
> would disagree.

Perhaps, but he only has that power if you give it to him. If God is as all knowing and all powerful as we believe, he won't lose track of you simply because you decide to worship at another address. Even the guy who thinks I am a beta male agrees.

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Re: DeCelles is at it again
Posted by: hangup ()
Date: June 22, 2016 03:23PM

Not a surprise that he's not being transferred....don't pastors stay at least 7 years? I think he has one year left until that point but could stay longer.

I wonder how this new priest will be?

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Re: DeCelles is at it again
Posted by: hangup2 ()
Date: June 23, 2016 02:17PM

After this weeks attack on the FCPS Board, he had better be a strong home-school proponent. One has to wonder what's in the water on Pohick Road?

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Re: DeCelles is at it again
Posted by: hangup ()
Date: June 24, 2016 10:59AM

I wish he would stay out of the public school discussion. Last year he straight up told families to take their kids out of the public schools. I know FCPS school board isn't making the best choices but he is really out of line in these situations.

His preference is Catholic school and he was very disappointed that he was put at a parish with no school. So, he promotes Angelus or homeschooling. A homeschooling group was not allowed as "official" under Gould but is now an official group he works closely with. He is very wrong if he thinks there aren't issues in these school options, too, and it's a huge assumption that they are the best for every family.

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Re: DeCelles is at it again
Posted by: m73LJ ()
Date: June 25, 2016 06:15PM

whatever happened to monestaries starting agricultural communities and discovering capicino? how many communities start groundlessly with nothing to do?

were overdo for another capacino class discovery!

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Re: DeCelles is at it again
Posted by: twpcC ()
Date: June 25, 2016 06:16PM

(nothing to do but justify their debt of gov spending == nothing in my book)

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Re: DeCelles is at it again
Posted by: JustAxing ()
Date: June 26, 2016 10:32AM

Steve b Wrote:
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> It is time for the bishop to act.
> Whether you agree with the priest's far right
> leanings, he is violating the Constitution as well
> as jeopardizing the tax exempt status of the
> Church.
> He is a west Texas conservative, an accountant by
> training, then a priest by his version of a
> calling. I applaud him for finding God.
> But Father Gould had a way of having you think
> without demeaning you. He was a real priest.
> Time for him to go and the cabal of extremist
> advisers he uses to justify the positions he
> creates, all in the name of God. Time for change.

Steve b, you're right that the bishop should act, but I can assure you he won't. This bishop has one interest - money. Go ahead and send letters, request meetings but The only way you can get action is to hit him in the wallet. But be prepared for a fight back.

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Re: DeCelles is at it again
Posted by: hangup ()
Date: June 26, 2016 10:41AM

Ahhh. Really bad homily, telling girls they will soon have to shower with boys.
Maybe his public school employee parishioners should stop giving money if he hates the public schools so bad.

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