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Solutions for McLean Firearm Store and Concerned Residents
Posted by: Control Z ()
Date: October 12, 2015 04:49PM

The owner of NOVA Firearms has opened his store within full compliance with local laws. He has no obligation to accommodate any demands to close or move.

However, certain concessions on his part and an active campaign of education may help quell some of the fears.

1) Pledge to maintain a low profile presence in the community. This includes a voluntary commitment to small and discrete outdoor signage. No signs advertising firearms should be visible from the school.

2) Ask past and current customers to voluntarily present the community with written references that explain the purpose and character of firearms shop. Many of the customers of the shop likely have military experience and/or careers in government and would be considered exemplary citizens and may calm some of the apprehension that McLean residents are voicing.

3) Educate local residents about gun safety. Emphasize the caution that is practiced within the store in regards to chambered or discharged weapons. Let it be clear that in no circumstance will any firing of weapons ever be practiced within the shop.

4) Commit to maintaining a fence or other barrier of reasonable deterrence that would prevent any movement of individuals between the school and the shop.

5) Open the shop by appointment for small groups of the concerned citizens to visit and observe the safety measures and the caution that is usually the standard practice of this and other gun shops. Explain and demonstrate a sampling of a typical firearms purchase that includes information on the background check that is performed.

The owners of NOVA firearms should not be forced to do anything but follow existing laws as they have already done. But a public relations step to ease tensions may help to change some of the minds who believe the sky is falling.

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Re: Solutions for McLean Firearm Store and Concerned Residents
Posted by: GCGnp ()
Date: October 12, 2015 05:07PM

#5 is all that I would recommend or be comfortable with.

This should not be a bitch fest about closing or moving the store. It should be an informational session where the visitors/customers are polite, observant, and respectful. They should be shown a number of firearms, should handle them and understand the purchase and background check process.

I think the first visit should include Victoria and her entire family, Kathleen Murphy, John Foust, Jannie Stauss and the Principal of Frankin Sherman.

The store owner should video tape this encounter in case it starts to go off the rails.

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Re: Solutions for McLean Firearm Store and Concerned Residents
Posted by: K33ht ()
Date: October 12, 2015 05:09PM

I believe #4 is already covered by FCPS. I believe there has been a fence on 2 or 3 sides of the school for many years.

I do not believe the business owner should be responsible for this regardless of the situation.

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Re: Solutions for McLean Firearm Store and Concerned Residents
Posted by: aokey ()
Date: October 12, 2015 05:11PM

GCGnp Wrote:
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> #5 is all that I would recommend or be comfortable
> with.
>
> This should not be a bitch fest about closing or
> moving the store. It should be an informational
> session where the visitors/customers are polite,
> observant, and respectful. They should be shown a
> number of firearms, should handle them and
> understand the purchase and background check
> process.
>
> I think the first visit should include Victoria
> and her entire family, Kathleen Murphy, John
> Foust, Jannie Stauss and the Principal of Frankin
> Sherman.
>
> The store owner should video tape this encounter
> in case it starts to go off the rails.

You obviously have too much time on your hands. Have you considered a hobby such as target shooting?

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Re: Solutions for McLean Firearm Store and Concerned Residents
Posted by: Ying Ko ()
Date: October 12, 2015 05:26PM

I think that's a great idea. However, I'm not sure of Vicky and crew's motives. She began shrieking about the back of the store, but in her latest interview (as self appointed leader) she stated she didn't want to drive by and have to explain to her somewhat dim children what a gun shop was. Foust didn't have a problem with the store until he saw a chance to get a few votes.

As I said before, I don't have a weapon. I'm not part of the NRA. I think these Mclean females are looking for a cause to protest. Collectively, they are " a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing."
In short, Vicky and crew only want to get on the cover of the Washingtonian.

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Re: Solutions for McLean Firearm Store and Concerned Residents
Posted by: Dumbass libturdz. ()
Date: October 12, 2015 06:11PM

What a joke and waste of time. Not to mention just plain bullshit.

Education and concessions will not change the mind of a lib. They are full of hate and intolerance.

Remember, the Vicky bitch never tried to talk to the store to begin with. Why the fuck shod they do anything to appease the anti American angry mob?

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Re: Solutions for McLean Firearm Store and Concerned Residents
Posted by: Big guns ()
Date: October 12, 2015 06:15PM

How about field trips for elementary school classes where they get to shoot weapons and learn how they work?

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Re: Solutions for McLean Firearm Store and Concerned Residents
Posted by: TYWpd ()
Date: October 12, 2015 06:29PM

Big guns Wrote:
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> How about field trips for elementary school
> classes where they get to shoot weapons and learn
> how they work?

Now this is an idea!

The upper grade boy will already know what most of the weapons are due to all the FPS games they play all day anyway.

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Re: Solutions for McLean Firearm Store and Concerned Residents
Posted by: GCGnp ()
Date: October 12, 2015 06:30PM

aokey Wrote:
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> GCGnp Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > #5 is all that I would recommend or be
> comfortable
> > with.
> >
> > This should not be a bitch fest about closing
> or
> > moving the store. It should be an informational
> > session where the visitors/customers are
> polite,
> > observant, and respectful. They should be shown
> a
> > number of firearms, should handle them and
> > understand the purchase and background check
> > process.
> >
> > I think the first visit should include Victoria
> > and her entire family, Kathleen Murphy, John
> > Foust, Jannie Stauss and the Principal of
> Frankin
> > Sherman.
> >
> > The store owner should video tape this
> encounter
> > in case it starts to go off the rails.
>
> You obviously have too much time on your hands.
> Have you considered a hobby such as target
> shooting?

Yea, I target shoot quite often. I am actually a bit low on ammo so I probably need to drop by NOVA and pick some up. Probably should stop by on a school day to see how things are going.

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Re: Solutions for McLean Firearm Store and Concerned Residents
Posted by: You Are Clueless ()
Date: October 12, 2015 06:44PM

You are completely missing the point. The McLean parents don't want a gun shop near a school, especially an elementary school. They don't want to become 'educated' about guns; they want them and that store GONE - especially after that fiasco where the gun community did their best to intimidate the residents. If anything, that just hardened their resolve.

You can't park a truck emblazoned with dead fetuses and glorifying the Virginia Tech shooter and expect to be welcomed to the community. And attempting to portray the McLean protestors (most of whom are women) as entitled, self-absorbed dilettantes (using Shakepeare, no less) does them a disservice and makes you look petty.

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Re: Solutions for McLean Firearm Store and Concerned Residents
Posted by: Ying Ko ()
Date: October 12, 2015 06:46PM

You Are Clueless Wrote:
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> You are completely missing the point. The McLean
> parents don't want a gun shop near a school,
> especially an elementary school. They don't want
> to become 'educated' about guns; they want them
> and that store GONE - especially after that fiasco
> where the gun community did their best to
> intimidate the residents. If anything, that just
> hardened their resolve.
>
> You can't park a truck emblazoned with dead
> fetuses and glorifying the Virginia Tech shooter
> and expect to be welcomed to the community. And
> attempting to portray the McLean protestors (most
> of whom are women) as entitled, self-absorbed
> dilettantes (using Shakepeare, no less) does them
> a disservice and makes you look petty.


You could be right, but I think Vicks is an attention whore.

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Re: Solutions for McLean Firearm Store and Concerned Residents
Posted by: Here's My Solution ()
Date: October 12, 2015 06:50PM

I'm taking my elementary school age child there to buy her a first gun.

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Re: Solutions for McLean Firearm Store and Concerned Residents
Posted by: Urine idiot ()
Date: October 12, 2015 06:53PM

You Are Clueless Wrote:
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> You are completely missing the point. The McLean
> parents don't want a gun shop near a school,
> especially an elementary school. They don't want
> to become 'educated' about guns; they want them
> and that store GONE - especially after that fiasco
> where the gun community did their best to
> intimidate the residents. If anything, that just
> hardened their resolve.
>
> You can't park a truck emblazoned with dead
> fetuses and glorifying the Virginia Tech shooter
> and expect to be welcomed to the community. And
> attempting to portray the McLean protestors (most
> of whom are women) as entitled, self-absorbed
> dilettantes (using Shakepeare, no less) does them
> a disservice and makes you look petty.

Open carry is just as intimidating as two faggots holding hands. Go fuck yourself and read the constitution libturd!

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Re: Solutions for McLean Firearm Store and Concerned Residents
Posted by: BSOA ()
Date: October 12, 2015 06:55PM

Big guns Wrote:
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> How about field trips for elementary school
> classes where they get to shoot weapons and learn
> how they work?

The boy scouts already do that. Oh shit, don't let those libtard McLean patents know their scouts are learning the intricacies of, and the proper usage of firearms!

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Re: Solutions for McLean Firearm Store and Concerned Residents
Posted by: Suggestion for Liberals ()
Date: October 12, 2015 07:46PM

The foaming-at-the-mouth liberals should write a letter of apology to the business owner for having tried to intimidate him into closing his perfectly legal business. What's hilarious is how the libtards are trying to portray the vicious Vicky bitch as some kind of victim in the shitstorm that she started.

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Re: Solutions for McLean Firearm Store and Concerned Residents
Posted by: Move ()
Date: October 12, 2015 07:47PM

Just move the fucking store a better location that isn't next to a school.

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Re: Solutions for McLean Firearm Store and Concerned Residents
Posted by: ntcJ6 ()
Date: October 12, 2015 07:59PM

Move Wrote:
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> Just move the fucking store a better location that
> isn't next to a school.

No need to move the store.

How about you move to PG County.

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Re: Solutions for McLean Firearm Store and Concerned Residents
Posted by: Dumbass libturdz. ()
Date: October 12, 2015 08:07PM

Move Wrote:
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> Just move the fucking store a better location that
> isn't next to a school.

Unlike any other anti American, can you explain why the location of this legal business is bad? NOBODY had given a reason other than they don't want to explain a family owned business to their kids.

Come on, I dare you, but I know you won't or can't because you're a fucking libturd.

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Re: Solutions for McLean Firearm Store and Concerned Residents
Posted by: V9Mxh ()
Date: October 12, 2015 08:30PM

Here is a better list-

#1- leave the owner alone and move on with your pathetic life.

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Re: Solutions for McLean Firearm Store and Concerned Residents
Posted by: Hector ()
Date: October 12, 2015 08:46PM

"Education and concessions will not change the mind of a lib. They are full of hate and intolerance."

Liberalism is a mental disorder.

The store is in compliance.

Libtards are nuts and cannot compromise or be trusted.

Hence, libtards can go to hell.
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Re: Solutions for McLean Firearm Store and Concerned Residents
Posted by: Dumbass libturdz. ()
Date: October 12, 2015 08:46PM

V9Mxh Wrote:
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> Here is a better list-
>
> #1- leave the owner alone and move on with your
> pathetic life.

+1 gazillion
By the way, we don't give a shit if you like being ass fucked so STFU about it.

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Re: Solutions for McLean Firearm Store and Concerned Residents
Posted by: Control Z ()
Date: October 12, 2015 08:57PM

There are a couple of problems with the owners "simply moving" to another store.

First of all the owner specifically wants a location in or near McLean. McLean is a money location and a good market to serve with almost any kind of business. Relocating to Herndon or Gainesville means a possible loss of the McLean customer base. Like jewelers, wine shops and restaurants, the gun shop has personal relationships with customers that have developed over the years.

The owner of this shop has also invested time and money into the move. A gun shop requires fortified doors and windows and heavy gun safes and alarm systems; these are huge expenditures. Any improvements that the leasee has made to the shop would be a great loss if he bowed to this unrealistic pressure to move.

It is also unfair to criticize the response of any supporters of the gun shop and any possible negative reaction from them without mentioning first the tactics of the opponents. The opponents of the gun shop did not contact the landlord or owner with concerns directly. They instead chose a campaign of public shaming of revealing personal information and home addresses. While it is doubtful that the new leasee would have been persuaded to choose another location, he at least would have been made aware of any community concerns in a civil dialogue and could have presented a polite counter argument that some of these fears are unfounded.

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Re: Solutions for McLean Firearm Store and Concerned Residents
Posted by: McClean Resident ()
Date: October 12, 2015 09:03PM

Move Wrote:
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> Just move the fucking store a better location that
> isn't next to a school.

YES!

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Re: Solutions for McLean Firearm Store and Concerned Residents
Posted by: Fuck you Control Z ()
Date: October 12, 2015 09:03PM

You're the one that said the firearms dealer shoulg have consession. Did you learn that negotiation technique from Obunghole?

Fuck you!

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Re: Solutions for McLean Firearm Store and Concerned Residents
Posted by: libs hate America. ()
Date: October 12, 2015 09:05PM

McClean Resident Wrote:
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> Move Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Just move the fucking store a better location
> that
> > isn't next to a school.
>
> YES!

Why? Also, why didn't you act BEFORE they moved two blocks?

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Re: Solutions for McLean Firearm Store and Concerned Residents
Posted by: No Notice to Residents ()
Date: October 12, 2015 09:08PM

libs hate America. Wrote:
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> McClean Resident Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Move Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Just move the fucking store a better location
> > that
> > > isn't next to a school.
> >
> > YES!
>
> Why? Also, why didn't you act BEFORE they moved
> two blocks?

The were NO SIGNS that "GUN SHOP COMING SOON TO THIS BUILDING"

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Re: Solutions for McLean Firearm Store and Concerned Residents
Posted by: Control Z ()
Date: October 12, 2015 09:10PM

Fuck you Control Z Wrote:
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> You're the one that said the firearms dealer
> shoulg have consession. Did you learn that
> negotiation technique from Obunghole?
>
> Fuck you!

The firearms dealer and landlord have been treated very poorly by the community group and very dishonestly by local media. The firearms dealers owes nothing but a cordial attempt to diffuse the irrational hostility.

I think if the shop owner would take the steps I have advised, he would at least gain some ground in court of public opinion. If the anti's are so married to their extreme and unrealistic view of firearms, they will be exposed as such by failing to dialogue with the owner.

The same goes with the county supervisor who has criticized the shop.

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Re: Solutions for McLean Firearm Store and Concerned Residents
Posted by: Stupid dunbshit lubs ()
Date: October 12, 2015 09:12PM

No Notice to Residents Wrote:
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> libs hate America. Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > McClean Resident Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Move Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > Just move the fucking store a better
> location
> > > that
> > > > isn't next to a school.
> > >
> > > YES!
> >
> > Why? Also, why didn't you act BEFORE they moved
> > two blocks?
>
> The were NO SIGNS that "GUN SHOP COMING SOON TO
> THIS BUILDING"

If you stupid fucks gave a shit about your community then you would know what's going on. It takes permits and other governmental regulations to open a firearms dealer. So fuck all of you knee jerking ass monkeys.

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Re: Solutions for McLean Firearm Store and Concerned Residents
Posted by: Dumfuq. ()
Date: October 12, 2015 09:14PM

Control Z Wrote:
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> Fuck you Control Z Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > You're the one that said the firearms dealer
> > shoulg have consession. Did you learn that
> > negotiation technique from Obunghole?
> >
> > Fuck you!
>
> The firearms dealer and landlord have been treated
> very poorly by the community group and very
> dishonestly by local media. The firearms dealers
> owes nothing but a cordial attempt to diffuse the
> irrational hostility.
>
> I think if the shop owner would take the steps I
> have advised, he would at least gain some ground
> in court of public opinion. If the anti's are so
> married to their extreme and unrealistic view of
> firearms, they will be exposed as such by failing
> to dialogue with the owner.
>
> The same goes with the county supervisor who has
> criticized the shop.

You're a stupid asshole. Public opinion is that this is America. Libs lose.

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Re: Solutions for McLean Firearm Store and Concerned Residents
Posted by: jklweffgc ()
Date: October 12, 2015 09:17PM

I have a great solution....

Be a fucking decent parent and keep your kids away from places they shouldn't be.

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Re: Solutions for McLean Firearm Store and Concerned Residents
Posted by: They Simply Need ()
Date: October 12, 2015 09:20PM

To conduct business as usual, Obeying all Federal and State laws as they have. And all the stupid people will just have to get along as well and find something better to bitch about. Done Deal!

DAJAX

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Re: Solutions for McLean Firearm Store and Concerned Residents
Posted by: Mental Cases ()
Date: October 12, 2015 09:21PM

jklweffgc Wrote:
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> I have a great solution....
>
> Be a fucking decent parent and keep your kids away
> from places they shouldn't be.

That's the point. Keep the gun shop away from the kids.

Jesus, please tell us you don't own any guns.

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Re: Solutions for McLean Firearm Store and Concerned Residents
Posted by: iover ()
Date: October 12, 2015 09:21PM

"Solutions for" my ass. The gun store is OPEN and will remain so. The only
real "solution" is for libs to wise up and find something else to bitch
about. Not that they don't have plenty of bitches already.

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Re: Solutions for McLean Firearm Store and Concerned Residents
Posted by: UjmvV ()
Date: October 12, 2015 09:23PM

iover Wrote:
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> "Solutions for" my ass. The gun store is OPEN and
> will remain so. The only
> real "solution" is for libs to wise up and find
> something else to bitch
> about. Not that they don't have plenty of bitches
> already.

^What must all these guntards be such assholes.

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Re: Solutions for McLean Firearm Store and Concerned Residents
Posted by: What Do You Not Understand ()
Date: October 12, 2015 09:32PM

As said, Its a Done Deal, go find something else to bitch about it. The shop is Staying! Thank You for your comments!

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Re: Solutions for McLean Firearm Store and Concerned Residents
Posted by: iover ()
Date: October 12, 2015 09:34PM

UjmvV Wrote:
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> iover Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > "Solutions for" my ass. The gun store is OPEN
> and
> > will remain so. The only
> > real "solution" is for libs to wise up and find
> > something else to bitch
> > about. Not that they don't have plenty of
> bitches
> > already.
>
> ^What must all these guntards be such assholes.

What part of OPEN is it you don't understand? Head up your ass or just plain stupid?

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Re: Solutions for McLean Firearm Store and Concerned Residents
Posted by: Can Be Closed ()
Date: October 12, 2015 10:09PM

iover Wrote:
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> UjmvV Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > iover Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > "Solutions for" my ass. The gun store is OPEN
> > and
> > > will remain so. The only
> > > real "solution" is for libs to wise up and
> find
> > > something else to bitch
> > > about. Not that they don't have plenty of
> > bitches
> > > already.
> >
> > ^What must all these guntards be such assholes.
>
> What part of OPEN is it you don't understand? Head
> up your ass or just plain stupid?

I hate to burst your mental genius theory of "once a business is open it will remain open" but citizens of an area can petition and close a business.

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Re: Solutions for McLean Firearm Store and Concerned Residents
Posted by: wakeuplibs ()
Date: October 12, 2015 10:32PM

Can Be Closed Wrote:
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> iover Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > UjmvV Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > iover Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > "Solutions for" my ass. The gun store is
> OPEN
> > > and
> > > > will remain so. The only
> > > > real "solution" is for libs to wise up and
> > find
> > > > something else to bitch
> > > > about. Not that they don't have plenty of
> > > bitches
> > > > already.
> > >
> > > ^What must all these guntards be such
> assholes.
> >
> > What part of OPEN is it you don't understand?
> Head
> > up your ass or just plain stupid?
>
> I hate to burst your mental genius theory of "once
> a business is open it will remain open" but
> citizens of an area can petition and close a
> business.

Bull fucking shit. Only in your imagination. Did you go to high school?

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Re: Solutions for McLean Firearm Store and Concerned Residents
Posted by: business license ()
Date: October 12, 2015 10:38PM

wakeuplibs Wrote:
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> > I hate to burst your mental genius theory of
> "once
> > a business is open it will remain open" but
> > citizens of an area can petition and close a
> > business.
>
> Bull fucking shit. Only in your imagination. Did
> you go to high school?

Just keep thinking that... businesses get shut down all the time for a variety of reasons. It's called a "business license" read the fine print.

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Re: Solutions for McLean Firearm Store and Concerned Residents
Posted by: business license Revoking ()
Date: October 12, 2015 10:42PM

B. Other grounds for revocation in addition to those stated in subsection (A) of this section are as follows:

1. Substantial violations of the terms and conditions on which a license or permit is issued.

2. Violation of ordinances or laws authorizing or regulating the license or permit, or regulating the business activity or purpose for which the license or permit is issued.

3. Conviction of infractions of or offenses under such an ordinance or law.

4. Wrongful behavior of a substantial character and of a public concern in relation to the licensed activity.

5. When reasonably necessary in the interests of protection of the public health, safety, peace or welfare.

C. Before any such license or permit shall be canceled or revoked, the holder of such license or permit shall be given two weeks’ notice of a hearing to be held by the City Council at which time the holder of such license or permit must show cause why such license or permit should not be revoked. The notice to be given to the holder of such license or permit must state the grounds and the reasons for the forfeiture, cancellation and/or revocation, and must also state the date on which the hearing is set. Provided, however, the City Manager may immediately revoke the license or permit of any business or activity for any of the grounds set forth in subsection (A) of this section, when any such license or permit has been issued for a period of less than 72 hours, and any such determination by the City Manager shall be deemed conclusive unless the holder of the license or permit appeals to the City Council within five calendar days of the notice of revocation. Pending any such appeal to the City Council, the license or permit shall remain revoked. [Ord. 1622, 1987.]

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Re: Solutions for McLean Firearm Store and Concerned Residents
Posted by: Won't Fly Friend Sez "Callahan" ()
Date: October 12, 2015 11:09PM

Only the Commonwealth of Virginia (General Assembly) can write gun control laws. "Straw Boss" For "Straw Law" And that's Exactly what your proposing. Its out of Fairfax's hands.

The only disruption of the peace are the protesters of a lawfully operating business. And after they have had their say. In due time, if they don't move on They can be arrested for disturbing the peace. Its a shop that sells lawful merchandise not a Gay Bar Or Porno Joint, or Abortion Clinic Or "Peep Show" but no doubt you might prefer all four on the corner there. Now simply STFU! All You Punks!

DAJAX AKA Fatso

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Re: Solutions for McLean Firearm Store and Concerned Residents
Posted by: Control Z ()
Date: October 12, 2015 11:14PM

business license Revoking Wrote:
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> 5. When reasonably necessary in the interests
> of protection of the public health, safety, peace
> or welfare.


Open to interpretation.

However, the instigator of this campaign has not cited how or why it would be "reasonably necessary" to deny this license.

The woman Victoria is quoted saying something to the effect of not wanting to have to "explain" the gun store to her child. This is not a danger, this is an issue of personal phobias and anti-gun beliefs.

The opponents have not and probably cannot document a higher incidence of accidents or an increase in crime near gun shops in other jurisdictions.

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Re: Solutions for McLean Firearm Store and Concerned Residents
Posted by: Relocate or Revoke ()
Date: October 13, 2015 12:43AM

Won't Fly Friend Sez "Callahan" Wrote:
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> Only the Commonwealth of Virginia (General
> Assembly) can write gun control laws. "Straw Boss"
> For "Straw Law" And that's Exactly what your
> proposing. Its out of Fairfax's hands.
>
> The only disruption of the peace are the
> protesters of a lawfully operating business. And
> after they have had their say. In due time, if
> they don't move on They can be arrested for
> disturbing the peace. Its a shop that sells lawful
> merchandise not a Gay Bar Or Porno Joint, or
> Abortion Clinic Or "Peep Show" but no doubt you
> might prefer all four on the corner there. Now
> simply STFU! All You Punks!
>
> DAJAX AKA Fatso

Ummm... the gun shop is certainly in the same vein as a Gay Bar Or Porno Joint , Abortion Clinic Or "Peep Show." All which are selling legal products in Virginia.

If residents don't want a business they will find way to get of it. Best for the gun shop to just find a new location where it can be more profitable.

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Re: Solutions for McLean Firearm Store and Concerned Residents
Posted by: Sigmund ()
Date: October 13, 2015 12:51AM

Relocate or Revoke Wrote:
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> Won't Fly Friend Sez "Callahan" Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Only the Commonwealth of Virginia (General
> > Assembly) can write gun control laws. "Straw
> Boss"
> > For "Straw Law" And that's Exactly what your
> > proposing. Its out of Fairfax's hands.
> >
> > The only disruption of the peace are the
> > protesters of a lawfully operating business.
> And
> > after they have had their say. In due time, if
> > they don't move on They can be arrested for
> > disturbing the peace. Its a shop that sells
> lawful
> > merchandise not a Gay Bar Or Porno Joint, or
> > Abortion Clinic Or "Peep Show" but no doubt you
> > might prefer all four on the corner there. Now
> > simply STFU! All You Punks!
> >
> > DAJAX AKA Fatso
>
> Ummm... the gun shop is certainly in the same
> vein as a Gay Bar Or Porno Joint , Abortion Clinic
> Or "Peep Show." All which are selling legal
> products in Virginia.
>
> If residents don't want a business they will find
> way to get of it. Best for the gun shop to just
> find a new location where it can be more
> profitable.

Next door to your public housing project would be a great place. Get ready for it. You really need to get professional help for your overactive imagination.

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Re: Solutions for McLean Firearm Store and Concerned Residents
Posted by: insider88.0 ()
Date: October 13, 2015 04:57AM

This thread is funny. Pro gun people are so easy to troll.

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Re: Solutions for McLean Firearm Store and Concerned Residents
Posted by: Modest Solution ()
Date: October 13, 2015 07:07AM

All the gun grabbers should be rounded up and prosecuted for attempting to violate the civil rights of law-abiding Americans.

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Re: Solutions for McLean Firearm Store and Concerned Residents
Posted by: 3PD3N ()
Date: October 13, 2015 07:29AM

Victoria should start a Go Fund Me or some other fund raising activity to pay for relocation costs to as McLean location that she picks out for the business.

At least if the new location has Victoria's stamp of approval then there should be no more problems.

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Re: Solutions for McLean Firearm Store and Concerned Residents
Posted by: Long Term ()
Date: October 13, 2015 02:27PM

The landlord sounds like a lazy old fart. He inherited some of the most valuable real estate in downtown McLean from his daddy and it's now just an auto shop and a gun store. Even in places like Bailey's Crossroads, the old auto shops get displaced for higher-end developments.

At some point someone will make the lazy ass an offer and he'll sell, and then Joe Bob and his fat girlfriend will have to find a new location closer to his customers in South Bumfuck. In the interim, the county can inspect these guys to death and the School Board can threaten to exercise eminent domain over the property.

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Re: Solutions for McLean Firearm Store and Concerned Residents
Posted by: SOLD! ()
Date: October 13, 2015 02:34PM

Long Term Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
In the
> interim, the county can inspect these guys to
> death and the School Board can threaten to
> exercise eminent domain over the property.

Good point, forgot about eminent domain.

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Re: Solutions for McLean Firearm Store and Concerned Residents
Posted by: nova_arms ()
Date: October 13, 2015 02:57PM

I don't see this place lasting too long. It has nothing to do with anti-gunners. A box of Fiocchi 9mm 115 Gr. (range stuff) is $20 there. That is a rip-off, considering that you can get the same ammo $10-12 online, $14-15 at walmart.

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Re: Solutions for McLean Firearm Store and Concerned Residents
Posted by: Hanjou ()
Date: October 13, 2015 03:03PM

SOLD! Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Long Term Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> In the
> > interim, the county can inspect these guys to
> > death and the School Board can threaten to
> > exercise eminent domain over the property.
>
> Good point, forgot about eminent domain.

What are they going to inspect? It's not like they are serving food? Plus, the county can only inspect so many times a year for occupancy, fire code, etc.

As for eminent domain, go ahead. The owner of the property will laugh all the way to the bank. The school spends ridiculously stupid, why should this be any different.

Bottom line, you guys are dopes.

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Re: Solutions for McLean Firearm Store and Concerned Residents
Posted by: More Seats for McLean ()
Date: October 13, 2015 03:31PM

If the SB exercises eminent domain, the owner presumably would be entitled to compensation, but there are always a range of fair values and he'd likely get the low end. He might be crying on his way to the bank, not laughing, and the SB might even be able to flip the property for a profit if it decided it didn't need it for an expansion after all.

Local jurisdictions in Virginia only have the powers delegated to them under state law, but state law does authorize expressly school boards to exercise eminent domain. It wouldn't matter whether the property in question was a gun store or a day-care center.

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Re: Solutions for McLean Firearm Store and Concerned Residents
Posted by: not so much..... ()
Date: October 13, 2015 03:39PM

More Seats for McLean Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> If the SB exercises eminent domain, the owner
> presumably would be entitled to compensation, but
> there are always a range of fair values and he'd
> likely get the low end.

You clearly don't understand how the eminent domain appraisal process works.

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Re: Solutions for McLean Firearm Store and Concerned Residents
Posted by: AIA Up Your Justass ()
Date: October 13, 2015 06:47PM

not so much..... Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> More Seats for McLean Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > If the SB exercises eminent domain, the owner
> > presumably would be entitled to compensation,
> but
> > there are always a range of fair values and
> he'd
> > likely get the low end.
>
> You clearly don't understand how the eminent
> domain appraisal process works.

Actually, I do. The problem for the lazy ass owner is that he may get less in terms of "just compensation" than he'd like.

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Re: Solutions for McLean Firearm Store and Concerned Residents
Posted by: not so much.... ()
Date: October 13, 2015 07:00PM

AIA Up Your Justass Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> not so much..... Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > More Seats for McLean Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > If the SB exercises eminent domain, the owner
> > > presumably would be entitled to compensation,
> > but
> > > there are always a range of fair values and
> > he'd
> > > likely get the low end.
> >
> > You clearly don't understand how the eminent
> > domain appraisal process works.
>
> Actually, I do. The problem for the lazy ass
> owner is that he may get less in terms of "just
> compensation" than he'd like.


Your response again indicates you have no knowledge on how the appraisal process occurs in the Commonwealth. The land owner can even recover lost profits in Virginia. Perhaps you should've paid attention a few years ago when the relevant measure was on the ballot and was passed overwhelmingly.

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Re: Solutions for McLean Firearm Store and Concerned Residents
Posted by: Inspector Gidget ()
Date: October 13, 2015 07:09PM

Don't forget the gun shop is also subject to AFT inspections.

https://oig.justice.gov/reports/ATF/e0405/final.pdf

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Re: Solutions for McLean Firearm Store and Concerned Residents
Posted by: causeican ()
Date: October 13, 2015 07:14PM

nova_arms Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I don't see this place lasting too long. It has
> nothing to do with anti-gunners. A box of Fiocchi
> 9mm 115 Gr. (range stuff) is $20 there. That is a
> rip-off, considering that you can get the same
> ammo $10-12 online, $14-15 at walmart.


what, did you google that? don’t tell me you were shopping for yourself.

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Re: Solutions for McLean Firearm Store and Concerned Residents
Posted by: causeican ()
Date: October 13, 2015 07:16PM

3PD3N Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Victoria should start a Go Fund Me or some other
> fund raising activity to pay for relocation costs
> to as McLean location that she picks out for the
> business.
>
> At least if the new location has Victoria's stamp
> of approval then there should be no more problems.


That is an interesting proposal for the sheer pleasure of learning what location she would pick.

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Re: Solutions for McLean Firearm Store and Concerned Residents
Posted by: Nope, try again ()
Date: October 13, 2015 07:27PM

Inspector Gidget Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Don't forget the gun shop is also subject to AFT
> inspections.
>
> https://oig.justice.gov/reports/ATF/e0405/final.pd
> f


LOL! ATF barely has the resources to conduct an inspection every 3 to 5 years. At most, they can only inspect you once a year barring infractions.

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Re: Solutions for McLean Firearm Store and Concerned Residents
Posted by: Jimmy Z Body Shop ()
Date: October 13, 2015 08:22PM

ATF wants gun shops to sell to those shitty ass Mexican illegals and let them take the guns over the boarder and have cartel members kill US Border Patrol agents. Fuck the ATF, Fuck the Mclean libtards, and fuck this cunt Vicky. I'll pound my dick into her ass and have it come out of her mouth, that stupid cunt.

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Re: Solutions for McLean Firearm Store and Concerned Residents
Posted by: zuj ()
Date: October 13, 2015 09:27PM

Nope, try again Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Inspector Gidget Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Don't forget the gun shop is also subject to
> AFT
> > inspections.
> >
> >
> https://oig.justice.gov/reports/ATF/e0405/final.pd
>
> > f
>
>
> LOL! ATF barely has the resources to conduct an
> inspection every 3 to 5 years. At most, they can
> only inspect you once a year barring infractions.

Why is this happening?

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Re: Solutions for McLean Firearm Store and Concerned Residents
Posted by: True the Vote! ()
Date: October 13, 2015 09:46PM

Sponser the High School Rifle Team for free.

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Re: Solutions for McLean Firearm Store and Concerned Residents
Posted by: Control U ()
Date: October 13, 2015 10:56PM

The owner of NOVA Firearms has opened his store within full compliance with local laws. He has no obligation to accommodate any demands to close or move.

However, certain concessions on his part and an active campaign of education may help quell some of the fears.

1) Pledge to maintain a neighborly presence in the community. This includes purchasing ads in the elementary school directory and hosting open houses periodically during the year, along with participating in career days and attending scout meetings.

2) Ask past and current customers to voluntarily open carry within the community to explain the purpose and character of firearms rights and responsibilities. Many of the customers of the shop likely have military experience and/or careers in government and would be considered exemplary citizens and may calm some of the apprehension that McLean residents are voicing.

3) Educate elementary students about gun safety. Emphasize the caution that is practiced within the store in regards to chambered or discharged weapons. Let it be clear that in no circumstance will any firing of weapons ever be practiced within the shop or on elementary school grounds.

4) Commit to maintaining a safe pathway that would prevent any unsafe movement of individuals between the school and the shop.

5) Open the shop by appointment for small groups of the elementary students and their parents to visit and observe the safety measures and the caution that is usually the standard practice of this and other gun shops. Explain and demonstrate a sampling of a typical firearms purchase that includes information on the background check that is performed.

The owners of NOVA firearms should not be forced to do anything but follow existing laws as they have already done. But a public relations step to ease tensions may help to change some of the minds who believe the sky is falling.

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Re: Solutions for McLean Firearm Store and Concerned Residents
Posted by: KyPjn ()
Date: October 13, 2015 11:07PM

> But a public relations step to ease tensions may help to change some of the minds who believe the sky is falling.

That is a wonderful sentiment!
What color is the sky on your world, how many moons?

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Re: Solutions for McLean Firearm Store and Concerned Residents
Posted by: jksdfjhwegywcg ()
Date: October 13, 2015 11:27PM

.....
Attachments:
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Re: Solutions for McLean Firearm Store and Concerned Residents
Posted by: McLean Hater ()
Date: October 13, 2015 11:44PM

Control U Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> The owner of NOVA Firearms has opened his store
> within full compliance with local laws. He has no
> obligation to accommodate any demands to close or
> move.

Aka fuck the community of McLean. He doesn't give a rats ass about the community.

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Re: Solutions for McLean Firearm Store and Concerned Residents
Posted by: What Matters ()
Date: October 15, 2015 06:53AM

How do their prices compare with other gun shops in the area? Good, avg, or overpriced? I'd like to support the business, but not if they are gouging on price.

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Re: Solutions for McLean Firearm Store and Concerned Residents
Posted by: L3juu ()
Date: October 15, 2015 07:18AM

#6. HOW ABOUT JUST GETTING THE FUCK OVER IT AND LIVE YOUR LIFE! TOO MANY CANDY ASSES IN THE COUNTRY!

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Re: Solutions for McLean Firearm Store and Concerned Residents
Posted by: McLean Homeowner ()
Date: October 15, 2015 12:30PM

nova_arms Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I don't see this place lasting too long. It has
> nothing to do with anti-gunners. A box of Fiocchi
> 9mm 115 Gr. (range stuff) is $20 there. That is a
> rip-off, considering that you can get the same
> ammo $10-12 online, $14-15 at walmart.

Don't be so sure. Balduccis and The Organic Butcher in McLean charge $8 for a box of pasta. You can get the same pasta for much less at Walmart or online through a Amazon Prime, yet both stores have no problem staying busy.

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Re: Solutions for McLean Firearm Store and Concerned Residents
Posted by: Derpers gonna derp ()
Date: October 15, 2015 02:34PM

As long as they keep to Kindergarten and above I don't see the any problem.
Everybody knows it's the toddlers that are the straight up killers!
-Guns don't kill people. Toddlers do.-
Attachments:
Wapo-toddler-shooting-chart.jpg

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Re: Solutions for McLean Firearm Store and Concerned Residents
Posted by: Ying Ko ()
Date: October 15, 2015 03:34PM

McLean Homeowner Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> nova_arms Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I don't see this place lasting too long. It has
> > nothing to do with anti-gunners. A box of
> Fiocchi
> > 9mm 115 Gr. (range stuff) is $20 there. That is
> a
> > rip-off, considering that you can get the same
> > ammo $10-12 online, $14-15 at walmart.
>
> Don't be so sure. Balduccis and The Organic
> Butcher in McLean charge $8 for a box of pasta.
> You can get the same pasta for much less at
> Walmart or online through a Amazon Prime, yet both
> stores have no problem staying busy.

I'm thinking about buying a gun. I prefer talking to someone that can advise me on the grip , ammo and the kind of gun that fits my needs, rather than buy something online and hope for the best.

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Re: Solutions for McLean Firearm Store and Concerned Residents
Posted by: McLean Homeowner ()
Date: October 15, 2015 03:47PM

Ying Ko Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> McLean Homeowner Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > nova_arms Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > I don't see this place lasting too long. It
> has
> > > nothing to do with anti-gunners. A box of
> > Fiocchi
> > > 9mm 115 Gr. (range stuff) is $20 there. That
> is
> > a
> > > rip-off, considering that you can get the
> same
> > > ammo $10-12 online, $14-15 at walmart.
> >
> > Don't be so sure. Balduccis and The Organic
> > Butcher in McLean charge $8 for a box of pasta.
> > You can get the same pasta for much less at
> > Walmart or online through a Amazon Prime, yet
> both
> > stores have no problem staying busy.
>
> I'm thinking about buying a gun. I prefer talking
> to someone that can advise me on the grip , ammo
> and the kind of gun that fits my needs, rather
> than buy something online and hope for the best.

Exactly. Also, I'd much rather support a local business than a shitty big box retailer like Walmart. My friend and I visited NOVA Firearms two weeks ago and would definitely recommend the business (we are both female). She has a lot of experience with firearms and was very impressed with their offerings and helpfulness. I plan to return soon and purchase a gun from them.

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Re: Solutions for McLean Firearm Store and Concerned Residents
Posted by: derpers gonna derp ()
Date: October 15, 2015 03:54PM

McLean Homeowner Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Ying Ko Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > McLean Homeowner Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > nova_arms Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > I don't see this place lasting too long. It
> > has
> > > > nothing to do with anti-gunners. A box of
> > > Fiocchi
> > > > 9mm 115 Gr. (range stuff) is $20 there.
> That
> > is
> > > a
> > > > rip-off, considering that you can get the
> > same
> > > > ammo $10-12 online, $14-15 at walmart.
> > >
> > > Don't be so sure. Balduccis and The Organic
> > > Butcher in McLean charge $8 for a box of
> pasta.
> > > You can get the same pasta for much less at
> > > Walmart or online through a Amazon Prime, yet
> > both
> > > stores have no problem staying busy.
> >
> > I'm thinking about buying a gun. I prefer
> talking
> > to someone that can advise me on the grip ,
> ammo
> > and the kind of gun that fits my needs, rather
> > than buy something online and hope for the
> best.
>
> Exactly. Also, I'd much rather support a local
> business than a shitty big box retailer like
> Walmart. My friend and I visited NOVA Firearms
> two weeks ago and would definitely recommend the
> business (we are both female). She has a lot of
> experience with firearms and was very impressed
> with their offerings and helpfulness. I plan to
> return soon and purchase a gun from them.


Dude, it doesn't take Scooby and the Gang to figure out you're logging in as 'Ying Ko' and then logging out to use 'McLean Homeowner'.

Although, if this is the only way you can have a normal conversation. Keep on keepin' on!

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Re: Solutions for McLean Firearm Store and Concerned Residents
Posted by: McLean Homeowner ()
Date: October 15, 2015 03:59PM

derpers gonna derp Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> McLean Homeowner Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Ying Ko Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > McLean Homeowner Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > nova_arms Wrote:
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > >
> > > > -----
> > > > > I don't see this place lasting too long.
> It
> > > has
> > > > > nothing to do with anti-gunners. A box of
> > > > Fiocchi
> > > > > 9mm 115 Gr. (range stuff) is $20 there.
> > That
> > > is
> > > > a
> > > > > rip-off, considering that you can get the
> > > same
> > > > > ammo $10-12 online, $14-15 at walmart.
> > > >
> > > > Don't be so sure. Balduccis and The Organic
> > > > Butcher in McLean charge $8 for a box of
> > pasta.
> > > > You can get the same pasta for much less at
> > > > Walmart or online through a Amazon Prime,
> yet
> > > both
> > > > stores have no problem staying busy.
> > >
> > > I'm thinking about buying a gun. I prefer
> > talking
> > > to someone that can advise me on the grip ,
> > ammo
> > > and the kind of gun that fits my needs,
> rather
> > > than buy something online and hope for the
> > best.
> >
> > Exactly. Also, I'd much rather support a local
> > business than a shitty big box retailer like
> > Walmart. My friend and I visited NOVA Firearms
> > two weeks ago and would definitely recommend
> the
> > business (we are both female). She has a lot
> of
> > experience with firearms and was very impressed
> > with their offerings and helpfulness. I plan
> to
> > return soon and purchase a gun from them.
>
>
> Dude, it doesn't take Scooby and the Gang to
> figure out you're logging in as 'Ying Ko' and then
> logging out to use 'McLean Homeowner'.
>
> Although, if this is the only way you can have a
> normal conversation. Keep on keepin' on!

I'm sure a moderator could check IP addresses and quickly verify that this is not the case, but believe what you want.

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Re: Solutions for McLean Firearm Store and Concerned Residents
Posted by: Ying Ko ()
Date: October 15, 2015 05:45PM

Ha ha. I was accused of being Eesh for awhile. I've been posting on other threads if you care to check time stamps. I have other names when I get bored with this one, but they are all registered.

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Re: Solutions for McLean Firearm Store and Concerned Residents
Posted by: Control Z ()
Date: October 16, 2015 09:53AM

The shop owners at NOVA Firearms are likely big supporters and promoters of firearm safety. The chart above that references children and accidents with firearms is alarming and sad, but should not be used as a comparison to a responsible firearm shop.

Also, while WalMart may sell rounds for a less expensive price, there is a convenience for being able to purchase in your own community. Even if the Tysons Corner WalMart sells ammunition, it may not be worth the trip for the savings of just a few dollars.

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