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When did the dentist. . .
Posted by: 980932849993 ()
Date: October 03, 2015 04:28PM

become a car salesman or service manager at Jiffy Lube?

I grew up in Fairfax County, did the twice a year dentist thing all through childhood. His assistant cleaned your teeth, then he came in and checked things out. If he said you needed to have a cavity filled, you got the cavity filled. If you brushed and flossed like you should, you didn't get cavities and he'd end each visit with an attaboy and that was that.

Over the past 5 or 10 years, though, the dentist has turned into that car salesman trying to sell you the undercarriage sealer all the car guys say you don't need. The dentist now tries to sell you a gum massage for $60 or a personalized night guard thing for $600. My teeth are fine. They're cleaned, no stains, look fine. But every time I go to the dentist the assistant is trying to sell me some whitening package. I ask the lady if my teeth are stained, and she actually says, "No, but we can whiten them up to three shades."

I brush and floss every day, and yet every year when I have my X-rays the dentist finds a cavity. Now it's not a cavity that even shows up on the x-ray until the dentist hits the resolution button like three times. And then there's this incredibly faint shadow that's astoundingly small.

And there's the over-billing trick. When I agreed to get the cavity fixed the dentist office billed me $130. I told them that seemed quite high, as my plan has me pay $20 for each filling. Nope, they told me, that's the right amount. Five weeks later I get the paperwork from the insurance company and the dentist office had massively over-billed me. And then it took a mere 5 months and a call to the Fairfax County Consumer Office to get the money back.

So what the hell? I've tried a couple dentists in Fairfax County and I've gotten the same treatment. I asked a few friends and they all said the same thing. Honest to God it's like the creep at Jiffy Lube who is trying to sell you hundreds of dollars of stuff you don't need.

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Re: When did the dentist. . .
Posted by: great analogy! ()
Date: October 03, 2015 04:54PM

980932849993 Wrote:
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> become a car salesman or service manager at Jiffy
> Lube?
>
> I grew up in Fairfax County, did the twice a year
> dentist thing all through childhood. His
> assistant cleaned your teeth, then he came in and
> checked things out. If he said you needed to have
> a cavity filled, you got the cavity filled. If
> you brushed and flossed like you should, you
> didn't get cavities and he'd end each visit with
> an attaboy and that was that.
>
> Over the past 5 or 10 years, though, the dentist
> has turned into that car salesman trying to sell
> you the undercarriage sealer all the car guys say
> you don't need. The dentist now tries to sell you
> a gum massage for $60 or a personalized night
> guard thing for $600. My teeth are fine. They're
> cleaned, no stains, look fine. But every time I
> go to the dentist the assistant is trying to sell
> me some whitening package. I ask the lady if my
> teeth are stained, and she actually says, "No, but
> we can whiten them up to three shades."
>
> I brush and floss every day, and yet every year
> when I have my X-rays the dentist finds a cavity.
> Now it's not a cavity that even shows up on the
> x-ray until the dentist hits the resolution button
> like three times. And then there's this
> incredibly faint shadow that's astoundingly small.
>
>
> And there's the over-billing trick. When I agreed
> to get the cavity fixed the dentist office billed
> me $130. I told them that seemed quite high, as
> my plan has me pay $20 for each filling. Nope,
> they told me, that's the right amount. Five weeks
> later I get the paperwork from the insurance
> company and the dentist office had massively
> over-billed me. And then it took a mere 5 months
> and a call to the Fairfax County Consumer Office
> to get the money back.
>
> So what the hell? I've tried a couple dentists in
> Fairfax County and I've gotten the same treatment.
> I asked a few friends and they all said the same
> thing. Honest to God it's like the creep at Jiffy
> Lube who is trying to sell you hundreds of dollars
> of stuff you don't need.

Funny. Hubby and I were just discussing that. I asked a friend and she said the same thing--different dentist. I never thought of it as a car salesman, but that is a terrific analogy.

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Re: When did the dentist. . .
Posted by: Dental Patient ()
Date: October 03, 2015 06:13PM

Adults don't get many cavities any more, and insurance pays the dentist little to fill them. My dentist found "cracks" in all my old fillings over a period of several visits.

Much of the big dollar items are now handled by specialists (implants) or are available off the shelf for next to nothing:

"The Doctor's Nightguard - Advanced Comfort" on Amazon for $17.

Professional strength teeth whitening from any number of places for $30-40.

Those two-week overseas trips several times a year don't pay for themselves. And they have kids to send to college, mortgages, nice cars to pay for, etc.

My dentist rearranged her office and now it's like a kiddie dentist. Multiple chairs for cleaning and she pops by for two minutes to check to see whether I want to buy the NightGuard or Whitening.

One chair "in the back" for lengthy dental procedures. Usually empty.

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Re: When did the dentist. . .
Posted by: Cap'n chaos ()
Date: October 07, 2015 11:46PM

Go to Dr. George Papastergiou in Vienna. Been going there for over 10 years. He's honest and never tries to sell me something I don't need. Only had one cavity that he filled since I've been going to see him. The dentist I had before him was always trying to sell me something.

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Re: When did the dentist. . .
Posted by: tommytoothbrush ()
Date: October 08, 2015 12:49AM

Several times a year dentists go to "continuing education" seminars in exotic tropical locales. The featured speaker is a guy who tells them it's more lucrative to upsell existing patients than it is to advertise for new patients.

The profit motive is probably neck and neck with the altruistic be of service motive. In their defense, getting into and graduating from dental school isn't as easy as falling off a log.

Their instruments are expensive; chairside and office staff don't work for free. Then there's rent and utilities. It isn't hard to nudge the doctors to think about the bottom line. They have mortgages and kids in college too.

If she is reading this, Dr. "Clara" your bottom line is just fine. You can sit on my face anytime.

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Re: When did the dentist. . .
Posted by: Fu Man Jew ()
Date: October 08, 2015 02:10AM

I only go to the dentist to enjoy the dental assistant's massive juggs resting on my arm.

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Re: When did the dentist. . .
Posted by: Not all Dentists ()
Date: October 08, 2015 07:17AM

I used to go to a dentist who was always found a least one cavity per preson per visit, and gave hard sell on extra expensive products like $45 tube of toothpaste. Thank goodness I switched. I now take my family to a dentist who, for five years, has never upsold anything. What's more is that he's never yet found a (fake) cavity. Don't settle for a con -artist dentist!

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Re: When did the dentist. . .
Date: October 08, 2015 08:13AM

Dr. Desio has always been fair, honest, and affordable

Bonus: His assistant is VERY easy on the eyes.

http://www.healthy-smiles.net/meet-dr-desio.php
(Fairfax or Fauquier county)

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Re: When did the dentist. . .
Posted by: iLester ()
Date: October 08, 2015 09:45AM

There are a lot of dentists that are promoting in-house "insurance". You pay for a full year's cleaning upfront and get 30% off the treatments for paying direct. The cleanings are essentially priced nearly the same cost as a third-party dental insurance premium.

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Re: When did the dentist. . .
Posted by: Bill.N. ()
Date: October 08, 2015 12:17PM

My guess is that the cost of basic services has been driven down to the point where dentists can't make it on these alone.

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Re: When did the dentist. . .
Posted by: bill me not ()
Date: October 08, 2015 01:25PM

Or the insurance companies hit them with denying claims.

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Re: When did the dentist. . .
Posted by: Squaker ()
Date: October 08, 2015 03:15PM

Granted, all dentistry is expensive, but if you have bruxism then a nightguard isn't a bad investment. Better to be wearing down the plastic than your teeth. The question is how much of an investment do you want to make and what kind of a return will you receive.

The guards selling for $17.95 at Amazon last six months. You get two, so over a decade you spend around $180, which is 1/3 to 1/4 of what a dentist would charge. However, these guards aren't custom made and might do more harm than good. Some people will wear out a custom made nightguard in a year, but most probably will be able to keep one for 10 years before they crack it.

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Re: When did the dentist. . .
Posted by: Fairfax Bob ()
Date: October 08, 2015 05:10PM

If a tooth isn't bothering you don't let the dentist talk you into having work done on it. I had a nightmare experience caused by going along with what my dentist said.

She said she wanted to replace a filling because it was getting old, even though I was not having any problems with it.
Well this simple replacement turned into thousands of dollars of work I had to pay out of pocket.
First she said "Well so much of the tooth is gone you'll need a crown instead. She did that. Used up all my insurance money for the year.

Then I was in a lot of pain still, weeks after the permanent crown was put on. She then said I needed a root canal. Those cost $1500. They had to go thru the crown to do the root canal, so that needed to be fixed afterwards.

Even after the root canal I could still feel pain. Turns out the pain was coming from the side of a tooth next to the one they did. Never had any problems with that one either. Yep, another root canal. Another $1500 gone.

If I would have left well enough alone I could have avoided all that.
But she wanted to make money and also referred me to her buddy the root canal guy, so they were both making thousands off of me when I has was having NO problems with the teeth until she said the filling was old and she wanted to replace it.

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Re: When did the dentist. . .
Posted by: Great dentist don't sell shit ()
Date: October 08, 2015 06:34PM

bill me not Wrote:
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> Or the insurance companies hit them with denying
> claims.


Be wary of offices that do this.

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Re: When did the dentist. . .
Posted by: $$$$$$$$$ ()
Date: October 09, 2015 11:24AM

This is a combination of many factors.

The cost of doing business rises every year.
The insurance companies cap what they pay.
Better hygiene, sealants, etc. have decreased some of the drill and fill needed by the patients.
The extra services and products available grow every year. Some people really like the extras and are willing to pay extra for them.
The dentist is trying to support an office and maybe a family, and sometimes greed takes precedence over ethical professional practices, which is sad.
Unscrupulous dentists and companies trying to make a buck to pay the bills do take advantage of people who don't know any better (who knows how to read a dental X-ray or analyze a bite issue?). I have a family member in the business and this happens pretty frequently. Very sad.

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Re: When did the dentist. . .
Posted by: DrParkSucks ()
Date: October 09, 2015 08:42PM

980932849993 Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> become a car salesman or service manager at Jiffy
> Lube?
>
> I grew up in Fairfax County, did the twice a year
> dentist thing all through childhood. His
> assistant cleaned your teeth, then he came in and
> checked things out. If he said you needed to have
> a cavity filled, you got the cavity filled. If
> you brushed and flossed like you should, you
> didn't get cavities and he'd end each visit with
> an attaboy and that was that.
>
> Over the past 5 or 10 years, though, the dentist
> has turned into that car salesman trying to sell
> you the undercarriage sealer all the car guys say
> you don't need. The dentist now tries to sell you
> a gum massage for $60 or a personalized night
> guard thing for $600. My teeth are fine. They're
> cleaned, no stains, look fine. But every time I
> go to the dentist the assistant is trying to sell
> me some whitening package. I ask the lady if my
> teeth are stained, and she actually says, "No, but
> we can whiten them up to three shades."
>
> I brush and floss every day, and yet every year
> when I have my X-rays the dentist finds a cavity.
> Now it's not a cavity that even shows up on the
> x-ray until the dentist hits the resolution button
> like three times. And then there's this
> incredibly faint shadow that's astoundingly small.
>
>
> And there's the over-billing trick. When I agreed
> to get the cavity fixed the dentist office billed
> me $130. I told them that seemed quite high, as
> my plan has me pay $20 for each filling. Nope,
> they told me, that's the right amount. Five weeks
> later I get the paperwork from the insurance
> company and the dentist office had massively
> over-billed me. And then it took a mere 5 months
> and a call to the Fairfax County Consumer Office
> to get the money back.
>
> So what the hell? I've tried a couple dentists in
> Fairfax County and I've gotten the same treatment.
> I asked a few friends and they all said the same
> thing. Honest to God it's like the creep at Jiffy
> Lube who is trying to sell you hundreds of dollars
> of stuff you don't need.


Let me guess. Dr Jamie Park in Fairfax? They are a family of Asian rip off artists. Check Yelp for her reviews.

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Re: When did the dentist. . .
Posted by: Tooth Dr ()
Date: October 09, 2015 11:50PM

Jamie Park is infamous for upselling. Don't go there unless you like being taken for a ride.

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Re: When did the dentist. . .
Posted by: get really ()
Date: October 10, 2015 07:43PM

I'm amazed at the number of idiots who think that their medical professionals "care" about them. LOL

Unless your doctor/dentist is family or close personal friends (and maybe not even then), all you are to them is a dollar sign. Your auto mechanic looks at your car in the same light.

Therefore it's completely natural for the medical rackets to emulate the crooks in the automotive rackets, especially nowadays. Doctors used to claim the higher ground years ago but not anymore. Now it's me, me, me everywhere you look in this stinking society.

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Re: When did the dentist. . .
Posted by: Absolutely ()
Date: October 11, 2015 08:38AM

get really Wrote:
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> I'm amazed at the number of idiots who think that
> their medical professionals "care" about them.
> LOL
>
> Unless your doctor/dentist is family or close
> personal friends (and maybe not even then), all
> you are to them is a dollar sign. Your auto
> mechanic looks at your car in the same light.
>
> Therefore it's completely natural for the medical
> rackets to emulate the crooks in the automotive
> rackets, especially nowadays. Doctors used to
> claim the higher ground years ago but not anymore.
> Now it's me, me, me everywhere you look in this
> stinking society.


It is frightening how many stories are out there of doctors doing inappropriate surgery and running pill mills to make a buck.

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Re: When did the dentist. . . Read my Story just this week.
Posted by: Bart ()
Date: November 14, 2015 06:39PM

You'll like this....
My very last molar on the left side, good looking tooth...with filling the very middle and little over the side between it and the next tooth.
I ate a piece of cake with a little pearl candy in the icing...that i didn't see. Later, when I was flossing, i discovered it, popped it thru and a small piece of filling broke off. Went to my Dentist, that I was actually building a relation with, good guy, until I went in about this problem. The first visit I paid $1500 for a crown on a tooth, that 2 others said they could fix it. But my new dentist with the latest technology...lasered it, lengthening the tooth and put a great crown on it.
Now I was really happy with this guy. Then later my horse knocked my bridge loose on the front, this dentist re-attached, $375-no big deal,

Then, he fixed another tooth the following year. Now back to the original story. He took a look at my tooth for 3 seconds, x-rayed it, and then he says, you're going to need a root canal. I said wait, this tooth doesn't hurt, no sensitivity to hot or cold, no chewing pain, no palpation pain, nothing. He then tried to show me on the x-ray, and I told him, no i don't see it, because I've seen before where infection was set in on one tooth I had extracted. This tooth had nothing, and he then proceeded to change resolutions so that it would show up darker.
He then went into his story, when i disputed him, saying you need to come in and have your teeth cleaned, and we can take a look at your teeth, and we probably could have prevented this. What's this? I have no issues other than a piece of filling popped off.

As I'm analyzing the entire visit: arrived no one in the waiting room, on my exit, no one in the living room. No other patients in the office.
I paid $1500 first visit, $375 second visit, $600 second visit...he wanted more out of my visits...because apparently his business was slow.

It was disappointing, I thought I found a good guy.
I found an Holistic / Biological / Natural Dentist. They don't believe in destroying your teeth and use the latest technology to save as much as the structure as possible. They have several different style lasers for everything. They use Ozone to destroy bacteria that may be lodged in your gums. Google it and read about it. Fascinating...and a lot of Dentist today are getting more training in modern dentistry so they can move away from the bad rap. I'm all for it. My teeth today are results of a lot of bad dentist...and people use to ask my if I wore braces growing up. For your reference and if you ever need a dentist in your area, look for a Holistic Dentist. Good Look...

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Re: When did the dentist. . . Read my Story just this week.
Posted by: Care to Share ()
Date: November 14, 2015 06:44PM

Bart Wrote:
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> You'll like this....
> My very last molar on the left side, good looking
> tooth...with filling the very middle and little
> over the side between it and the next tooth.
> I ate a piece of cake with a little pearl candy in
> the icing...that i didn't see. Later, when I was
> flossing, i discovered it, popped it thru and a
> small piece of filling broke off. Went to my
> Dentist, that I was actually building a relation
> with, good guy, until I went in about this
> problem. The first visit I paid $1500 for a crown
> on a tooth, that 2 others said they could fix it.
> But my new dentist with the latest
> technology...lasered it, lengthening the tooth
> and put a great crown on it.
> Now I was really happy with this guy. Then later
> my horse knocked my bridge loose on the front,
> this dentist re-attached, $375-no big deal,
>
> Then, he fixed another tooth the following year.
> Now back to the original story. He took a look at
> my tooth for 3 seconds, x-rayed it, and then he
> says, you're going to need a root canal. I said
> wait, this tooth doesn't hurt, no sensitivity to
> hot or cold, no chewing pain, no palpation pain,
> nothing. He then tried to show me on the x-ray,
> and I told him, no i don't see it, because I've
> seen before where infection was set in on one
> tooth I had extracted. This tooth had nothing, and
> he then proceeded to change resolutions so that it
> would show up darker.
> He then went into his story, when i disputed him,
> saying you need to come in and have your teeth
> cleaned, and we can take a look at your teeth, and
> we probably could have prevented this. What's
> this? I have no issues other than a piece of
> filling popped off.
>
> As I'm analyzing the entire visit: arrived no one
> in the waiting room, on my exit, no one in the
> living room. No other patients in the office.
> I paid $1500 first visit, $375 second visit, $600
> second visit...he wanted more out of my
> visits...because apparently his business was
> slow.
>
> It was disappointing, I thought I found a good
> guy.
> I found an Holistic / Biological / Natural
> Dentist. They don't believe in destroying your
> teeth and use the latest technology to save as
> much as the structure as possible. They have
> several different style lasers for everything.
> They use Ozone to destroy bacteria that may be
> lodged in your gums. Google it and read about it.
> Fascinating...and a lot of Dentist today are
> getting more training in modern dentistry so they
> can move away from the bad rap. I'm all for it. My
> teeth today are results of a lot of bad
> dentist...and people use to ask my if I wore
> braces growing up. For your reference and if you
> ever need a dentist in your area, look for a
> Holistic Dentist. Good Look...


Never heard of a Holistic Dentist. Have some issues (cracked tooth and enamel issues on another). Would you care to share the name of your dentist?

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Re: When did the dentist. . . Read my Story just this week.
Posted by: GoodDentalAdvice ()
Date: January 04, 2016 02:43PM

Remember, you can always get a copy of your xrays or any medical records. Doctors must provide patients with a copy of their records upon request even if there is an outstanding balance. Fillings are not permanent and a good dentist will try to proactively treat something before it becomes an issue. Unfortunately insurances typically reimburse for the bare minimum (cheapest materials ect). As with any profession, there are good dentists, bad dentists and dentists who are looking at their profit margin. If you don't trust your dentist, find a new one. I recommend Dr Nana Dickson at http://allegradc.com/ whenever I can. Reviews speak for themselves.
My .02

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Re: When did the dentist. . .
Posted by: Democrats are Lying Assholes ()
Date: January 04, 2016 07:19PM

Obamacare has raised my dental rates two fold.

Thank you Asshole Obama

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Re: When did the dentist. . .
Posted by: hippocrates ()
Date: January 04, 2016 07:29PM

Cap'n chaos Wrote:
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> Go to Dr. George Papastergiou in Vienna. Been
> going there for over 10 years. He's honest and
> never tries to sell me something I don't need.
> Only had one cavity that he filled since I've been
> going to see him. The dentist I had before him was
> always trying to sell me something.


The yel does not like the good edoctor: http://www.yelp.com/biz/george-papastergiou-dds-vienna

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