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Please VOTE for Ryan McElveen, Ted Velkoff, and Ilryong Moon
Posted by:
id8
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Date: September 26, 2015 09:15PM
Please!
Re: Please VOTE for Ryan McElveen, Ted Velkoff, and Ilryong Moon
Posted by:
How About No?
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Date: September 26, 2015 09:40PM
In 2008, Ted Velkoff made this statement re: Prince William Co cracking down on illegal immigrants: "In Fairfax, our feeling is we welcome everybody here with open arms. I'm happy to be a magnet for people who want to live in a tolerant society."
In 2015, FCPS is facing a $100M budget shortfall, largely due to a huge increase in students needing intensive ESOL services.
THANKS TED!
In 2015, FCPS is facing a $100M budget shortfall, largely due to a huge increase in students needing intensive ESOL services.
THANKS TED!
Re: Please VOTE for Ryan McElveen, Ted Velkoff, and Ilryong Moon
Posted by:
kakapoopoo
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Date: September 26, 2015 09:50PM
I agree my nigga
Re: Please VOTE for Ryan McElveen, Ted Velkoff, and Ilryong Moon
Posted by:
VotethemOUT
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Date: September 26, 2015 10:08PM
Anyone but these three. Done. Out. Finished.
Re: Please VOTE for Ryan McElveen, Ted Velkoff, and Ilryong Moon
Posted by:
causeican
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Date: September 26, 2015 11:02PM
Anyone on the Board has to go. Too much NOT listening. Too much Spending. Too much WRONG.
Re: Please VOTE for Ryan McElveen, Ted Velkoff, and Ilryong Moon
Posted by:
23333
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Date: September 27, 2015 09:29PM
bump
Re: Please VOTE for Ryan McElveen, Ted Velkoff, and Ilryong Moon
Posted by:
75657685
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Date: September 27, 2015 09:39PM
bump
Re: Please VOTE for Ryan McElveen, Ted Velkoff, and Ilryong Moon
Posted by:
Do not vote for them
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Date: September 27, 2015 10:01PM
Do the math-covering the $100 million shortfall AND paying for everything in the long range FCPS plan is going to nearly double your tax bill. Work it out for yourself, or ask McElveen or Velkoff for the figures. Don't bother asking Moon unless you speak Korean.
Re: Please VOTE for Ryan McElveen, Ted Velkoff, and Ilryong Moon
Posted by:
Bobbington
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Date: September 28, 2015 09:44PM
^ - can't do math
Even if the $100 million was covered SOLELY by raising property taxes (which no one is actually proposing), it would be an increase of less than 5% - nowhere close to doubling.
Even if the $100 million was covered SOLELY by raising property taxes (which no one is actually proposing), it would be an increase of less than 5% - nowhere close to doubling.
Re: Please VOTE for Ryan McElveen, Ted Velkoff, and Ilryong Moon
Posted by:
Inquisitive One
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Date: September 28, 2015 11:51PM
VotethemOUT Wrote:
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> Anyone but these three. Done. Out. Finished.
+1 I cannot tolerate attending or listening to Board Meeting because of the predictable babble of these three.
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> Anyone but these three. Done. Out. Finished.
+1 I cannot tolerate attending or listening to Board Meeting because of the predictable babble of these three.
Re: Please VOTE for Ryan McElveen, Ted Velkoff, and Ilryong Moon
Posted by:
Inquisitive One
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Date: September 28, 2015 11:54PM
Bobbington Wrote:
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> ^ - can't do math
>
> Even if the $100 million was covered SOLELY by
> raising property taxes (which no one is actually
> proposing), it would be an increase of less than
> 5% - nowhere close to doubling.
You out of touch idiot! Five percent of $10000 is $500 on many residents that have not received a raise in five years!
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> ^ - can't do math
>
> Even if the $100 million was covered SOLELY by
> raising property taxes (which no one is actually
> proposing), it would be an increase of less than
> 5% - nowhere close to doubling.
You out of touch idiot! Five percent of $10000 is $500 on many residents that have not received a raise in five years!
Re: Please VOTE for Ryan McElveen, Ted Velkoff, and Ilryong Moon
Posted by:
well, actually they are
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Date: September 29, 2015 12:27PM
Bobbington Wrote:
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> ^ - can't do math
>
> Even if the $100 million was covered SOLELY by
> raising property taxes (which no one is actually
> proposing), it would be an increase of less than
> 5% - nowhere close to doubling.
If you go on FCPS' site, many people are in fact proposing a combination of increased property taxes, a new meal tax JUST for the schools and various other taxes, all accompanied by increases in school spending.
Patty Reed and Ted Velkoff are also arguing for the schools to have their own taxation authority.
Put it all together, and yes, double taxation without batting an eye.
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> ^ - can't do math
>
> Even if the $100 million was covered SOLELY by
> raising property taxes (which no one is actually
> proposing), it would be an increase of less than
> 5% - nowhere close to doubling.
If you go on FCPS' site, many people are in fact proposing a combination of increased property taxes, a new meal tax JUST for the schools and various other taxes, all accompanied by increases in school spending.
Patty Reed and Ted Velkoff are also arguing for the schools to have their own taxation authority.
Put it all together, and yes, double taxation without batting an eye.
Re: Please VOTE for Ryan McElveen, Ted Velkoff, and Ilryong Moon
Posted by:
don't forget
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Date: September 29, 2015 12:41PM
Don't forget that Kathy Smith and Storck will definitely vote to raise taxes if they get on BOS.
Re: Please VOTE for Ryan McElveen, Ted Velkoff, and Ilryong Moon
Posted by:
Robbington
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Date: September 29, 2015 01:51PM
Bobbington Wrote:
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> ^ - can't do math
>
> Even if the $100 million was covered SOLELY by
> raising property taxes (which no one is actually
> proposing), it would be an increase of less than
> 5% - nowhere close to doubling.
^ - can't comprehend what he reads
Which part of " AND paying for everything in the long range FCPS plan" did you not understand. I don't know what the numbers are, but you're a fucking moron for responding to half a sentence and ignoring the part that makes up probably another $500 million in teacher raises, new schools, capital improvements, new natural gas buses and who knows what else. Fool
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> ^ - can't do math
>
> Even if the $100 million was covered SOLELY by
> raising property taxes (which no one is actually
> proposing), it would be an increase of less than
> 5% - nowhere close to doubling.
^ - can't comprehend what he reads
Which part of " AND paying for everything in the long range FCPS plan" did you not understand. I don't know what the numbers are, but you're a fucking moron for responding to half a sentence and ignoring the part that makes up probably another $500 million in teacher raises, new schools, capital improvements, new natural gas buses and who knows what else. Fool
Re: Please VOTE for Ryan McElveen, Ted Velkoff, and Ilryong Moon
Posted by:
Bill.N.
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Date: September 29, 2015 01:57PM
So who are the QUALIFIED candidates who we should be voting for?
If you look at the web sites for most challengers, they all seem to say "I'm a good guy who favors good schools and responsible spending".
If you look at the web sites for most challengers, they all seem to say "I'm a good guy who favors good schools and responsible spending".
Re: Please VOTE for Ryan McElveen, Ted Velkoff, and Ilryong Moon
Posted by:
We need action NOW
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Date: September 29, 2015 02:06PM
Bill.N. Wrote:
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> So who are the QUALIFIED candidates who we should
> be voting for?
>
> If you look at the web sites for most challengers,
> they all seem to say "I'm a good guy who favors
> good schools and responsible spending".
We need real leadership, someone who isn't afraid to fully integrate Boosterthon into a comprehensive program across every pyramid. Somebody with the balls to do the hard work that needs to be done.
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> So who are the QUALIFIED candidates who we should
> be voting for?
>
> If you look at the web sites for most challengers,
> they all seem to say "I'm a good guy who favors
> good schools and responsible spending".
We need real leadership, someone who isn't afraid to fully integrate Boosterthon into a comprehensive program across every pyramid. Somebody with the balls to do the hard work that needs to be done.
Re: Please VOTE for Ryan McElveen, Ted Velkoff, and Ilryong Moon
Posted by:
qualified?
()
Date: September 29, 2015 02:56PM
Bill.N. Wrote:
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> So who are the QUALIFIED candidates who we should
> be voting for?
>
> If you look at the web sites for most challengers,
> they all seem to say "I'm a good guy who favors
> good schools and responsible spending".
As opposed to "I'm a good guy who wants to fund every suggested program and then some." You know, like our current at large candidates. You call that qualified? Please tell me how many "no" votes they have ever cast when it comes to spending. When proposing new policies, how often do they bring up cost? Did any of them ask about how much the new transgender policy would cost? Oh, wait, they passed it before they had a policy, didn't they? You call that qualified?
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> So who are the QUALIFIED candidates who we should
> be voting for?
>
> If you look at the web sites for most challengers,
> they all seem to say "I'm a good guy who favors
> good schools and responsible spending".
As opposed to "I'm a good guy who wants to fund every suggested program and then some." You know, like our current at large candidates. You call that qualified? Please tell me how many "no" votes they have ever cast when it comes to spending. When proposing new policies, how often do they bring up cost? Did any of them ask about how much the new transgender policy would cost? Oh, wait, they passed it before they had a policy, didn't they? You call that qualified?
Re: Please VOTE for Ryan McElveen, Ted Velkoff, and Ilryong Moon
Posted by:
huberthumphrey
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Date: September 29, 2015 04:05PM
The hotter FCPS female teachers could give blowjobs at market rate. Turn the money over to the County. Bake sales. Car washes. Convert some of the schools into homeless shelters or indoor ranges. Fire those teachers whose blowjob skill the market rejects.
Breeders: you breed them, you feed them. Includes paying for their "free" education.
Breeders: you breed them, you feed them. Includes paying for their "free" education.
Re: Please VOTE for Ryan McElveen, Ted Velkoff, and Ilryong Moon
Posted by:
^^^^^^^^^^
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Date: September 29, 2015 05:04PM
Bill.N. Wrote:
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> So who are the QUALIFIED candidates who we should
> be voting for?
>
> If you look at the web sites for most challengers,
> they all seem to say "I'm a good guy who favors
> good schools and responsible spending".
It is a crapshoot. There aren't any guarantees, for sure. It would be nice to just get somebody-ANYBODY- on the Board who thinks it is important to hold Dr. Garza and the rest responsible for things that they do and don't do. Right now you might as well be talking into a big black hole. Nobody gets back to you. Nothing gets done. Wandering aimlessly. Principals doing ridiculous things without any supervision. Etc.
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> So who are the QUALIFIED candidates who we should
> be voting for?
>
> If you look at the web sites for most challengers,
> they all seem to say "I'm a good guy who favors
> good schools and responsible spending".
It is a crapshoot. There aren't any guarantees, for sure. It would be nice to just get somebody-ANYBODY- on the Board who thinks it is important to hold Dr. Garza and the rest responsible for things that they do and don't do. Right now you might as well be talking into a big black hole. Nobody gets back to you. Nothing gets done. Wandering aimlessly. Principals doing ridiculous things without any supervision. Etc.
Re: Please VOTE for Ryan McElveen, Ted Velkoff, and Ilryong Moon
Posted by:
The Boosterthon Monopoly?
()
Date: September 29, 2015 06:13PM
We need action NOW Wrote:
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> Bill.N. Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > So who are the QUALIFIED candidates who we
> should
> > be voting for?
> >
> > If you look at the web sites for most
> challengers,
> > they all seem to say "I'm a good guy who favors
> > good schools and responsible spending".
>
>
> We need real leadership, someone who isn't afraid
> to fully integrate Boosterthon into a
> comprehensive program across every pyramid.
> Somebody with the balls to do the hard work that
> needs to be done.
Doing this with Boosterthon would be very difficult. A contract that size, let as a sole source contract, would invite protests from other fundraising companies. even if "fun run" made it into the RFP, Boosterthon is not the only company doing those.
There is NO evidence showing that there is pyramid-wide support for this. Such a decision would have to come from Garza, and a contract of that size would have to have board approval.
A contract of that scope would cry out for significant due diligence, which Boosterthon might not pass. If nothing else, it would require disclosure not only of key people in the company but also those of the people who would be servicing the FCPS contract. From what is known of their backgrounds, this would be problematic.
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> Bill.N. Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > So who are the QUALIFIED candidates who we
> should
> > be voting for?
> >
> > If you look at the web sites for most
> challengers,
> > they all seem to say "I'm a good guy who favors
> > good schools and responsible spending".
>
>
> We need real leadership, someone who isn't afraid
> to fully integrate Boosterthon into a
> comprehensive program across every pyramid.
> Somebody with the balls to do the hard work that
> needs to be done.
Doing this with Boosterthon would be very difficult. A contract that size, let as a sole source contract, would invite protests from other fundraising companies. even if "fun run" made it into the RFP, Boosterthon is not the only company doing those.
There is NO evidence showing that there is pyramid-wide support for this. Such a decision would have to come from Garza, and a contract of that size would have to have board approval.
A contract of that scope would cry out for significant due diligence, which Boosterthon might not pass. If nothing else, it would require disclosure not only of key people in the company but also those of the people who would be servicing the FCPS contract. From what is known of their backgrounds, this would be problematic.
Re: Please VOTE for Ryan McElveen, Ted Velkoff, and Ilryong Moon
Posted by:
Bill.N.
()
Date: September 29, 2015 06:27PM
qualified? Wrote:
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> As opposed to "I'm a good guy who wants to fund
> every suggested program and then some." You know,
> like our current at large candidates.
I am not a fan of some on the current board, but you do have to give the FCSB class of 2011 some credit. Most of them understood how things worked and had a clear agenda BEFORE they were elected.
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> As opposed to "I'm a good guy who wants to fund
> every suggested program and then some." You know,
> like our current at large candidates.
I am not a fan of some on the current board, but you do have to give the FCSB class of 2011 some credit. Most of them understood how things worked and had a clear agenda BEFORE they were elected.
Re: Please VOTE for Ryan McElveen, Ted Velkoff, and Ilryong Moon
Posted by:
beg to disagree
()
Date: September 29, 2015 06:41PM
Ryan McElveen has no clue now, how could he have had a clue back then?
Re: Please VOTE for Ryan McElveen, Ted Velkoff, and Ilryong Moon
Posted by:
Creeppooo
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Date: September 29, 2015 09:08PM
id8 Wrote:
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> Please!
Why does Ryan McElveen look so creepy?
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> Please!
Why does Ryan McElveen look so creepy?
Re: Please VOTE for Ryan McElveen, Ted Velkoff, and Ilryong Moon
Posted by:
McElveen's Doctor
()
Date: September 29, 2015 09:12PM
When he was in high school, stress caused all of his hair to fall out.
Never mind that.
His brain is the problem, he is incompetent, lazy, and only looks out for himself.
Never mind that.
His brain is the problem, he is incompetent, lazy, and only looks out for himself.
Re: Please VOTE for Ryan McElveen, Ted Velkoff, and Ilryong Moon
Posted by:
NnJmg
()
Date: September 29, 2015 09:13PM
Creeppooo Wrote:
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> id8 Wrote:
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> > Please!
>
>
> Why does Ryan McElveen look so creepy?
He has an autoimmune disorder that caused him to lose all of his hair. Quit making fun of that issue. Even if you don't like his politics.
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> id8 Wrote:
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> > Please!
>
>
> Why does Ryan McElveen look so creepy?
He has an autoimmune disorder that caused him to lose all of his hair. Quit making fun of that issue. Even if you don't like his politics.
Re: Please VOTE for Ryan McElveen, Ted Velkoff, and Ilryong Moon
Posted by:
Creeppooo
()
Date: September 29, 2015 09:18PM
NnJmg Wrote:
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> Creeppooo Wrote:
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> > id8 Wrote:
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> > > Please!
> >
> >
> > Why does Ryan McElveen look so creepy?
>
>
> He has an autoimmune disorder that caused him to
> lose all of his hair. Quit making fun of that
> issue. Even if you don't like his politics.
I don't give a rats ass about his politics or his opponents. I sincerely wanted to know why he looks like that.
How old is he btw?
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> Creeppooo Wrote:
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> > id8 Wrote:
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> > > Please!
> >
> >
> > Why does Ryan McElveen look so creepy?
>
>
> He has an autoimmune disorder that caused him to
> lose all of his hair. Quit making fun of that
> issue. Even if you don't like his politics.
I don't give a rats ass about his politics or his opponents. I sincerely wanted to know why he looks like that.
How old is he btw?
Re: Please VOTE for Ryan McElveen, Ted Velkoff, and Ilryong Moon
Posted by:
76768768
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Date: September 29, 2015 10:20PM
bumppp
Re: Please VOTE for Ryan McElveen, Ted Velkoff, and Ilryong Moon
Posted by:
76679
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Date: September 29, 2015 10:26PM
bemp to top
Re: Please VOTE for Ryan McElveen, Ted Velkoff, and Ilryong Moon
Posted by:
change is coming
()
Date: September 30, 2015 09:41AM
All it is going to take is one regional seat and two at large seats to change, and then we have a very different school board.
At that point, good bye to trips to Orlando, hiring English teachers and bogus "psychotherapists" at $9,000 a day and so on.
At that point, good bye to trips to Orlando, hiring English teachers and bogus "psychotherapists" at $9,000 a day and so on.
Re: Please VOTE for Ryan McElveen, Ted Velkoff, and Ilryong Moon
Posted by:
Ryan McElweeny
()
Date: October 01, 2015 08:48PM
Creeppooo Wrote:
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> NnJmg Wrote:
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> > > > Please!
> > >
> > >
> > > Why does Ryan McElveen look so creepy?
> >
> >
> > He has an autoimmune disorder that caused him
> to
> > lose all of his hair. Quit making fun of that
> > issue. Even if you don't like his politics.
>
>
> I don't give a rats ass about his politics or his
> opponents. I sincerely wanted to know why he looks
> like that.
>
> How old is he btw?
Too old to be taking high school girls to prom.
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> NnJmg Wrote:
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> > > > Please!
> > >
> > >
> > > Why does Ryan McElveen look so creepy?
> >
> >
> > He has an autoimmune disorder that caused him
> to
> > lose all of his hair. Quit making fun of that
> > issue. Even if you don't like his politics.
>
>
> I don't give a rats ass about his politics or his
> opponents. I sincerely wanted to know why he looks
> like that.
>
> How old is he btw?
Too old to be taking high school girls to prom.
Re: Please VOTE for Ryan McElveen, Ted Velkoff, and Ilryong Moon
Posted by:
576
()
Date: October 02, 2015 11:40AM
bumpo
Re: Please VOTE for Ryan McElveen, Ted Velkoff, and Ilryong Moon
Posted by:
myr
()
Date: October 04, 2015 03:30PM
bumping
Re: Please VOTE for Ryan McElveen, Ted Velkoff, and Ilryong Moon
Posted by:
Good Bye, At Large Incumbents!
()
Date: October 04, 2015 03:38PM
Good Bye
Ryan McElveen (transgender prom boy)
Ilryong Moon (doesn't speak English)
Ted Velkoff (would happily double your taxes to hire more consultants)
ALL OF THEM NEED TO BE VOTED OUT OF OFFICE IN NOVEMBER
Ryan McElveen (transgender prom boy)
Ilryong Moon (doesn't speak English)
Ted Velkoff (would happily double your taxes to hire more consultants)
ALL OF THEM NEED TO BE VOTED OUT OF OFFICE IN NOVEMBER
Re: Please VOTE for Ryan McElveen, Ted Velkoff, and Ilryong Moon
Posted by:
itsokok
()
Date: October 04, 2015 07:56PM
okokoko bumpppp
Re: Please VOTE for Ryan McElveen, Ted Velkoff, and Ilryong Moon
Posted by:
565
()
Date: October 05, 2015 08:02PM
okokokokouiy89
Re: Please VOTE for Ryan McElveen, Ted Velkoff, and Ilryong Moon
Posted by:
D. Kaufux
()
Date: October 05, 2015 08:04PM
id8 Wrote:
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> Please!
You're joking, right?
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> Please!
You're joking, right?
Re: Please VOTE for Ryan McElveen, Ted Velkoff, and Ilryong Moon
Posted by:
887234
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Date: October 06, 2015 01:17PM
BUMOP
Re: Please VOTE for Ryan McElveen, Ted Velkoff, and Ilryong Moon
Posted by:
838
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Date: October 29, 2015 10:09PM
bumping
Re: Please VOTE for Ryan McElveen, Ted Velkoff, and Ilryong Moon
Posted by:
2112213utdpjj
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Date: October 29, 2015 10:14PM
I wonder what Mcelven
Re: Please VOTE for Ryan McElveen, Ted Velkoff, and Ilryong Moon
Posted by:
786768
()
Date: November 02, 2015 05:56PM
bump
Re: Please VOTE for Ryan McElveen, Ted Velkoff, and Ilryong Moon
Posted by:
Inquisitive One
()
Date: November 02, 2015 06:02PM
A vote for these three is a vote for promoting the transgender policy change, stifling debate, wasteful spending and shameful self promotion. If you do not agree with the way that the transgender vote was forced through the School Board in May vote for the following slate of at-large candidates for the School Board:
School Board At Large Members
Jeanette Hough
Bob Copeland
Manar Jean-Jacques
School Board At Large Members
Jeanette Hough
Bob Copeland
Manar Jean-Jacques
Re: Please VOTE for Ryan McElveen, Ted Velkoff, and Ilryong Moon
Posted by:
okese
()
Date: November 02, 2015 06:11PM
Ryan is a clown enough said #closedfcps
Re: Please VOTE for Ryan McElveen, Ted Velkoff, and Ilryong Moon
Posted by:
789
()
Date: November 02, 2015 07:37PM
opjui
Re: Please VOTE for Ryan McElveen, Ted Velkoff, and Ilryong Moon
Posted by:
At the polls tomorrow
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Date: November 02, 2015 07:47PM
Do your civic duty.
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Re: Please VOTE for Ryan McElveen, Ted Velkoff, and Ilryong Moon
Posted by:
LOL NOPE
()
Date: November 02, 2015 08:27PM
No no no - no one should vote for that freak show trio.
A guy with that shaves off his eyebrows and has a strange obsession with transexual kids
A guy that can't even speak English
And a guy that thinks he's Abe Lincoln
Yup, this is our school board dream team LOL
A guy with that shaves off his eyebrows and has a strange obsession with transexual kids
A guy that can't even speak English
And a guy that thinks he's Abe Lincoln
Yup, this is our school board dream team LOL
Re: Please VOTE for Ryan McElveen, Ted Velkoff, and Ilryong Moon
Posted by:
Stephen Douglas
()
Date: November 02, 2015 09:27PM
LOL NOPE Wrote:
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> No no no - no one should vote for that freak show
> trio.
>
> A guy with that shaves off his eyebrows and has a
> strange obsession with transexual kids
>
> A guy that can't even speak English
>
> And a guy that thinks he's Abe Lincoln
>
> Yup, this is our school board dream team LOL
You wouldn't know a Velkoff from a Storck.
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> No no no - no one should vote for that freak show
> trio.
>
> A guy with that shaves off his eyebrows and has a
> strange obsession with transexual kids
>
> A guy that can't even speak English
>
> And a guy that thinks he's Abe Lincoln
>
> Yup, this is our school board dream team LOL
You wouldn't know a Velkoff from a Storck.
Re: Please VOTE for Ryan McElveen, Ted Velkoff, and Ilryong Moon
Posted by:
Single Issue Voter
()
Date: November 02, 2015 09:33PM
Creeppooo Wrote:
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> NnJmg Wrote:
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> > > > Please!
> > >
> > >
> > > Why does Ryan McElveen look so creepy?
> >
> >
> > He has an autoimmune disorder that caused him
> to
> > lose all of his hair. Quit making fun of that
> > issue. Even if you don't like his politics.
>
>
> I don't give a rats ass about his politics or his
> opponents. I sincerely wanted to know why he looks
> like that.
>
> How old is he btw?
Physiologically or mentally? In his case these are two different things. Please be specific when posing your question.
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> NnJmg Wrote:
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> > > > Please!
> > >
> > >
> > > Why does Ryan McElveen look so creepy?
> >
> >
> > He has an autoimmune disorder that caused him
> to
> > lose all of his hair. Quit making fun of that
> > issue. Even if you don't like his politics.
>
>
> I don't give a rats ass about his politics or his
> opponents. I sincerely wanted to know why he looks
> like that.
>
> How old is he btw?
Physiologically or mentally? In his case these are two different things. Please be specific when posing your question.
Re: Please VOTE for Ryan McElveen, Ted Velkoff, and Ilryong Moon
Posted by:
No
()
Date: November 02, 2015 09:44PM
NO!
Re: Please VOTE for Ryan McElveen, Ted Velkoff, and Ilryong Moon
Posted by:
Advice to Shiny Fetish Dude
()
Date: November 02, 2015 09:45PM
Single Issue Voter Wrote:
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> > > > > Please!
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> > > >
> > > > Why does Ryan McElveen look so creepy?
> > >
> > >
> > > He has an autoimmune disorder that caused him
> > to
> > > lose all of his hair. Quit making fun of that
> > > issue. Even if you don't like his politics.
> >
> >
> > I don't give a rats ass about his politics or
> his
> > opponents. I sincerely wanted to know why he
> looks
> > like that.
> >
> > How old is he btw?
>
> Physiologically or mentally? In his case these are
> two different things. Please be specific when
> posing your question.
Uhh, you seem a little obsessed with the guy. You might want to see your own doctor about that.
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> > > > > Please!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Why does Ryan McElveen look so creepy?
> > >
> > >
> > > He has an autoimmune disorder that caused him
> > to
> > > lose all of his hair. Quit making fun of that
> > > issue. Even if you don't like his politics.
> >
> >
> > I don't give a rats ass about his politics or
> his
> > opponents. I sincerely wanted to know why he
> looks
> > like that.
> >
> > How old is he btw?
>
> Physiologically or mentally? In his case these are
> two different things. Please be specific when
> posing your question.
Uhh, you seem a little obsessed with the guy. You might want to see your own doctor about that.
Re: Please VOTE for Ryan McElveen, Ted Velkoff, and Ilryong Moon
Posted by:
Twoo da voot!
()
Date: November 02, 2015 10:14PM
Bitch all ya want. It don't matter.
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Re: Please VOTE for Ryan McElveen, Ted Velkoff, and Ilryong Moon
Posted by:
Inquisitive One
()
Date: November 03, 2015 02:13AM
A vote for these three is a vote for promoting the transgender policy change, stifling debate, wasteful spending and shameful self promotion. If you do not agree with the way that the transgender vote was forced through the School Board in May vote for the following slate of at-large candidates for the School Board:
School Board At Large Members
Jeanette Hough
Bob Copeland
Manar Jean-Jacques
School Board At Large Members
Jeanette Hough
Bob Copeland
Manar Jean-Jacques
Re: Please VOTE for Ryan McElveen, Ted Velkoff, and Ilryong Moon
Posted by:
Forgetting Challengers
()
Date: November 03, 2015 07:28AM
Inquisitive One Wrote:
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> A vote for these three is a vote for promoting the
> transgender policy change, stifling debate,
> wasteful spending and shameful self promotion. If
> you do not agree with the way that the transgender
> vote was forced through the School Board in May
> vote for the following slate of at-large
> candidates for the School Board:
>
> School Board At Large Members
>
> Jeanette Hough
> Bob Copeland
> Manar Jean-Jacques
Sorry, I'll be voting for the incumbents, who seem to care about a wider range of issues. The transgender shit is the ONLY thing the Republicans pay any attention to - that's creepier than any kid who identifies with another gender will ever be.
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> A vote for these three is a vote for promoting the
> transgender policy change, stifling debate,
> wasteful spending and shameful self promotion. If
> you do not agree with the way that the transgender
> vote was forced through the School Board in May
> vote for the following slate of at-large
> candidates for the School Board:
>
> School Board At Large Members
>
> Jeanette Hough
> Bob Copeland
> Manar Jean-Jacques
Sorry, I'll be voting for the incumbents, who seem to care about a wider range of issues. The transgender shit is the ONLY thing the Republicans pay any attention to - that's creepier than any kid who identifies with another gender will ever be.
Re: Please VOTE for Ryan McElveen, Ted Velkoff, and Ilryong Moon
Posted by:
Inquisitive One
()
Date: November 03, 2015 07:43AM
Yes, I do agree that they care about a wider range of issues. Too bad that the quality of the school system has taken a back seat to their primary focus of social engineering.
Re: Please VOTE for Ryan McElveen, Ted Velkoff, and Ilryong Moon
Posted by:
Totes agrees
()
Date: November 03, 2015 07:49AM
Forgetting Challengers Wrote:
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> Inquisitive One Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > A vote for these three is a vote for promoting
> the
> > transgender policy change, stifling debate,
> > wasteful spending and shameful self promotion.
> If
> > you do not agree with the way that the
> transgender
> > vote was forced through the School Board in May
> > vote for the following slate of at-large
> > candidates for the School Board:
> >
> > School Board At Large Members
> >
> > Jeanette Hough
> > Bob Copeland
> > Manar Jean-Jacques
>
> Sorry, I'll be voting for the incumbents, who seem
> to care about a wider range of issues. The
> transgender shit is the ONLY thing the Republicans
> pay any attention to - that's creepier than any
> kid who identifies with another gender will ever
> be.
+1000
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> Inquisitive One Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > A vote for these three is a vote for promoting
> the
> > transgender policy change, stifling debate,
> > wasteful spending and shameful self promotion.
> If
> > you do not agree with the way that the
> transgender
> > vote was forced through the School Board in May
> > vote for the following slate of at-large
> > candidates for the School Board:
> >
> > School Board At Large Members
> >
> > Jeanette Hough
> > Bob Copeland
> > Manar Jean-Jacques
>
> Sorry, I'll be voting for the incumbents, who seem
> to care about a wider range of issues. The
> transgender shit is the ONLY thing the Republicans
> pay any attention to - that's creepier than any
> kid who identifies with another gender will ever
> be.
+1000
Re: Please VOTE for Ryan McElveen, Ted Velkoff, and Ilryong Moon
Posted by:
PLEASE DONT
()
Date: November 03, 2015 09:26AM
And that's being SENSIBLE TOO!
Re: Please VOTE for Ryan McElveen, Ted Velkoff, and Ilryong Moon
Posted by:
978
()
Date: November 03, 2015 10:21AM
bump
Re: Please VOTE for Ryan McElveen, Ted Velkoff, and Ilryong Moon
Posted by:
5764576
()
Date: November 03, 2015 02:45PM
I voted for KINCAID
Re: Please VOTE for Ryan McElveen, Ted Velkoff, and Ilryong Moon
Posted by:
suck on it
()
Date: November 03, 2015 05:30PM
Totes agrees Wrote:
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> Forgetting Challengers Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Inquisitive One Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > A vote for these three is a vote for
> promoting
> > the
> > > transgender policy change, stifling debate,
> > > wasteful spending and shameful self
> promotion.
> > If
> > > you do not agree with the way that the
> > transgender
> > > vote was forced through the School Board in
> May
> > > vote for the following slate of at-large
> > > candidates for the School Board:
> > >
> > > School Board At Large Members
> > >
> > > Jeanette Hough
> > > Bob Copeland
> > > Manar Jean-Jacques
> >
> > Sorry, I'll be voting for the incumbents, who
> seem
> > to care about a wider range of issues. The
> > transgender shit is the ONLY thing the
> Republicans
> > pay any attention to - that's creepier than any
> > kid who identifies with another gender will
> ever
> > be.
>
> +1000
Normally, I would not pay attention to the school board election. This time, however, I knew how to vote thanks to the low-information knuckle-draggers on this site. Yes, I voted for Ryan McElveen, Ted Velkoff, and Ilryong Moon.
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> Forgetting Challengers Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Inquisitive One Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > A vote for these three is a vote for
> promoting
> > the
> > > transgender policy change, stifling debate,
> > > wasteful spending and shameful self
> promotion.
> > If
> > > you do not agree with the way that the
> > transgender
> > > vote was forced through the School Board in
> May
> > > vote for the following slate of at-large
> > > candidates for the School Board:
> > >
> > > School Board At Large Members
> > >
> > > Jeanette Hough
> > > Bob Copeland
> > > Manar Jean-Jacques
> >
> > Sorry, I'll be voting for the incumbents, who
> seem
> > to care about a wider range of issues. The
> > transgender shit is the ONLY thing the
> Republicans
> > pay any attention to - that's creepier than any
> > kid who identifies with another gender will
> ever
> > be.
>
> +1000
Normally, I would not pay attention to the school board election. This time, however, I knew how to vote thanks to the low-information knuckle-draggers on this site. Yes, I voted for Ryan McElveen, Ted Velkoff, and Ilryong Moon.
Re: Please VOTE for Ryan McElveen, Ted Velkoff, and Ilryong Moon
Posted by:
nullified
()
Date: November 03, 2015 05:35PM
suck on it Wrote:
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>
> Normally, I would not pay attention to the school
> board election. This time, however, I knew how to
> vote thanks to the low-information
> knuckle-draggers on this site. Yes, I voted for
> Ryan McElveen, Ted Velkoff, and Ilryong Moon.
I cancelled your vote.
You're welcome.
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>
> Normally, I would not pay attention to the school
> board election. This time, however, I knew how to
> vote thanks to the low-information
> knuckle-draggers on this site. Yes, I voted for
> Ryan McElveen, Ted Velkoff, and Ilryong Moon.
I cancelled your vote.
You're welcome.
Re: Please VOTE for Ryan McElveen, Ted Velkoff, and Ilryong Moon
Posted by:
Ghost of Jack Dale
()
Date: November 03, 2015 05:38PM
nullified Wrote:
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> suck on it Wrote:
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> >
> > Normally, I would not pay attention to the
> school
> > board election. This time, however, I knew how
> to
> > vote thanks to the low-information
> > knuckle-draggers on this site. Yes, I voted
> for
> > Ryan McElveen, Ted Velkoff, and Ilryong Moon.
>
>
> I cancelled your vote.
>
> You're welcome.
And I cancelled yours. Ha, bitch.
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> suck on it Wrote:
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>
> >
> > Normally, I would not pay attention to the
> school
> > board election. This time, however, I knew how
> to
> > vote thanks to the low-information
> > knuckle-draggers on this site. Yes, I voted
> for
> > Ryan McElveen, Ted Velkoff, and Ilryong Moon.
>
>
> I cancelled your vote.
>
> You're welcome.
And I cancelled yours. Ha, bitch.
Re: Please VOTE for Ryan McElveen, Ted Velkoff, and Ilryong Moon
Posted by:
nullified
()
Date: November 03, 2015 05:41PM
Ghost of Jack Dale Wrote:
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> nullified Wrote:
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> > suck on it Wrote:
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> >
> > >
> > > Normally, I would not pay attention to the
> > school
> > > board election. This time, however, I knew
> how
> > to
> > > vote thanks to the low-information
> > > knuckle-draggers on this site. Yes, I voted
> > for
> > > Ryan McElveen, Ted Velkoff, and Ilryong Moon.
> >
> >
> > I cancelled your vote.
> >
> > You're welcome.
>
> And I cancelled yours. Ha, bitch.
Sorry, mine already went to cancel his.
You'll have to find another same sex partner Bruce.
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> nullified Wrote:
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> > suck on it Wrote:
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> > -----
> >
> > >
> > > Normally, I would not pay attention to the
> > school
> > > board election. This time, however, I knew
> how
> > to
> > > vote thanks to the low-information
> > > knuckle-draggers on this site. Yes, I voted
> > for
> > > Ryan McElveen, Ted Velkoff, and Ilryong Moon.
> >
> >
> > I cancelled your vote.
> >
> > You're welcome.
>
> And I cancelled yours. Ha, bitch.
Sorry, mine already went to cancel his.
You'll have to find another same sex partner Bruce.
Re: Please VOTE for Ryan McElveen, Ted Velkoff, and Ilryong Moon
Posted by:
suck on it
()
Date: November 03, 2015 05:58PM
nullified Wrote:
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> suck on it Wrote:
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>
> >
> > Normally, I would not pay attention to the
> school
> > board election. This time, however, I knew how
> to
> > vote thanks to the low-information
> > knuckle-draggers on this site. Yes, I voted
> for
> > Ryan McElveen, Ted Velkoff, and Ilryong Moon.
>
>
> I cancelled your vote.
>
> You're welcome.
There is still the satisfaction of doing the right thing, something you will never experience.
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> suck on it Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> >
> > Normally, I would not pay attention to the
> school
> > board election. This time, however, I knew how
> to
> > vote thanks to the low-information
> > knuckle-draggers on this site. Yes, I voted
> for
> > Ryan McElveen, Ted Velkoff, and Ilryong Moon.
>
>
> I cancelled your vote.
>
> You're welcome.
There is still the satisfaction of doing the right thing, something you will never experience.
Re: Please VOTE for Ryan McElveen, Ted Velkoff, and Ilryong Moon
Posted by:
tastes like butthurt
()
Date: November 03, 2015 06:18PM
suck on it Wrote:
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> > -----
> >
> > >
> > > Normally, I would not pay attention to the
> > school
> > > board election. This time, however, I knew
> how
> > to
> > > vote thanks to the low-information
> > > knuckle-draggers on this site. Yes, I voted
> > for
> > > Ryan McElveen, Ted Velkoff, and Ilryong Moon.
> >
> >
> > I cancelled your vote.
> >
> > You're welcome.
>
>
> There is still the satisfaction of doing the right
> thing, something you will never experience.
Too late. Already did when I cancelled out your stupidity.
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> nullified Wrote:
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> > suck on it Wrote:
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>
> > -----
> >
> > >
> > > Normally, I would not pay attention to the
> > school
> > > board election. This time, however, I knew
> how
> > to
> > > vote thanks to the low-information
> > > knuckle-draggers on this site. Yes, I voted
> > for
> > > Ryan McElveen, Ted Velkoff, and Ilryong Moon.
> >
> >
> > I cancelled your vote.
> >
> > You're welcome.
>
>
> There is still the satisfaction of doing the right
> thing, something you will never experience.
Too late. Already did when I cancelled out your stupidity.
Re: Please VOTE for Ryan McElveen, Ted Velkoff, and Ilryong Moon
Posted by:
suck on it
()
Date: November 03, 2015 08:23PM
tastes like butthurt Wrote:
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> > > -----
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Normally, I would not pay attention to the
> > > school
> > > > board election. This time, however, I knew
> > how
> > > to
> > > > vote thanks to the low-information
> > > > knuckle-draggers on this site. Yes, I
> voted
> > > for
> > > > Ryan McElveen, Ted Velkoff, and Ilryong
> Moon.
> > >
> > >
> > > I cancelled your vote.
> > >
> > > You're welcome.
> >
> >
> > There is still the satisfaction of doing the
> right
> > thing, something you will never experience.
>
>
> Too late. Already did when I cancelled out your
> stupidity.
Check the results and then tell me who is stupid (not that I ever had any doubts).
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> suck on it Wrote:
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> > nullified Wrote:
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> > -----
> > > suck on it Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
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> >
> > > -----
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Normally, I would not pay attention to the
> > > school
> > > > board election. This time, however, I knew
> > how
> > > to
> > > > vote thanks to the low-information
> > > > knuckle-draggers on this site. Yes, I
> voted
> > > for
> > > > Ryan McElveen, Ted Velkoff, and Ilryong
> Moon.
> > >
> > >
> > > I cancelled your vote.
> > >
> > > You're welcome.
> >
> >
> > There is still the satisfaction of doing the
> right
> > thing, something you will never experience.
>
>
> Too late. Already did when I cancelled out your
> stupidity.
Check the results and then tell me who is stupid (not that I ever had any doubts).
Re: Please VOTE for Ryan McElveen, Ted Velkoff, and Ilryong Moon
Posted by:
no need to wait
()
Date: November 03, 2015 08:47PM
suck on it Wrote:
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> > > nullified Wrote:
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> > > > suck on it Wrote:
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> > > > -----
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Normally, I would not pay attention to
> the
> > > > school
> > > > > board election. This time, however, I
> knew
> > > how
> > > > to
> > > > > vote thanks to the low-information
> > > > > knuckle-draggers on this site. Yes, I
> > voted
> > > > for
> > > > > Ryan McElveen, Ted Velkoff, and Ilryong
> > Moon.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I cancelled your vote.
> > > >
> > > > You're welcome.
> > >
> > >
> > > There is still the satisfaction of doing the
> > right
> > > thing, something you will never experience.
> >
> >
> > Too late. Already did when I cancelled out
> your
> > stupidity.
>
> Check the results and then tell me who is stupid
> (not that I ever had any doubts).
Results aren't in yet but you are if you believe that indicates anything.
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> tastes like butthurt Wrote:
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> > suck on it Wrote:
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> > -----
> > > nullified Wrote:
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> > > -----
> > > > suck on it Wrote:
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> >
> > >
> > > > -----
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Normally, I would not pay attention to
> the
> > > > school
> > > > > board election. This time, however, I
> knew
> > > how
> > > > to
> > > > > vote thanks to the low-information
> > > > > knuckle-draggers on this site. Yes, I
> > voted
> > > > for
> > > > > Ryan McElveen, Ted Velkoff, and Ilryong
> > Moon.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I cancelled your vote.
> > > >
> > > > You're welcome.
> > >
> > >
> > > There is still the satisfaction of doing the
> > right
> > > thing, something you will never experience.
> >
> >
> > Too late. Already did when I cancelled out
> your
> > stupidity.
>
> Check the results and then tell me who is stupid
> (not that I ever had any doubts).
Results aren't in yet but you are if you believe that indicates anything.
Re: Please VOTE for Ryan McElveen, Ted Velkoff, and Ilryong Moon
Posted by:
Butthurt much?
()
Date: November 03, 2015 09:55PM
So sorry.
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Re: Please VOTE for Ryan McElveen, Ted Velkoff, and Ilryong Moon
Posted by:
Yippeee
()
Date: November 04, 2015 12:33AM
Well, the progressives are still on top. Hurray! Mother government can now teach all Fairfax students about transgenders, homosexuals, pedos, tree pokers, goat lovers, necros, and any other swingin' gender/sexual persuasion under the sun! Each bringing its own special flavor to humanity! It's going to be nothing but a love parade to Fagfax! Yeah!
Re: Please VOTE for Ryan McElveen, Ted Velkoff, and Ilryong Moon
Posted by:
Yippeee
()
Date: November 04, 2015 12:35AM
In my GLEE, special oopsies....I meant Fairfax! No need to cuff me, PC police!
Yippeee Wrote:
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> Well, the progressives are still on top. Hurray!
> Mother government can now teach all Fairfax
> students about transgenders, homosexuals, pedos,
> tree pokers, goat lovers, necros, and any other
> swingin' gender/sexual persuasion under the sun!
> Each bringing its own special flavor to humanity!
> It's going to be nothing but a love parade to
> Fagfax! Yeah!
Yippeee Wrote:
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> Well, the progressives are still on top. Hurray!
> Mother government can now teach all Fairfax
> students about transgenders, homosexuals, pedos,
> tree pokers, goat lovers, necros, and any other
> swingin' gender/sexual persuasion under the sun!
> Each bringing its own special flavor to humanity!
> It's going to be nothing but a love parade to
> Fagfax! Yeah!
Re: Please VOTE for Ryan McElveen, Ted Velkoff, and Ilryong Moon
Posted by:
Yippeee
()
Date: November 04, 2015 12:36AM
Oopsies once again....I meant ..."in my glee over the win" and there was no pun intended regarding the smash tv show GLEE. Although that kind of works. Hehe.
Re: Please VOTE for Ryan McElveen, Ted Velkoff, and Ilryong Moon
Posted by:
Yippeee
()
Date: November 04, 2015 12:38AM
Oppsies also and again...I meant "in my glee over the massive wins we had". I guess the champaigne is tickling my brain! Teehee.
Re: Please VOTE for Ryan McElveen, Ted Velkoff, and Ilryong Moon
Posted by:
Stuntcock
()
Date: November 04, 2015 03:08AM
Who knew FFXU had so many trannies?