Hispanics are the people that made the country grow and you and everyone knows that it is true, they work very hard every day for USA to grow not only that they do the jobs that you would never do because you don't know how to do it, because if you knew, then why would you pay someone else to do your job so before saying that hispanic are the ones that are destroying USA look at the people who work for you honestly

Go back to Spicland, wetback.

make me because am just saying the truth

and the only one that can consider them self as real americans are the native americans because they were here before white people got to the USA

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> make me because am just saying the truth

Trump will make you go back.

Thank you for your hard work.

But I think you are mistaken by saying the most industrialized country in the world needs Hispanics to grow, that is absurd, sorry.

America had it's industrial revolution due from Europeans hard work, not Hispanics, or anyone else

Sorry that title belongs to many and that includes yes the Spanish too in too many ways for words.

SO, Don't forget the English, Irish, Scottish, Welsh, Germans, Italians, French, Polish, Russians, Swiss. Swedes, Finns, Chinese, Japanese, Vietnamese, Koreans, Pacific Islanders, Philippineos, Eskimos, Slovics, Greeks, Arabs, Africans, American Indians, Malaysians, Danes, Belgium's, Norwegians, Serbs,
Indians, Pakis, Afgans, Thai's, and everybody else I did not list.

No one is beating up on the Spanish.Or anyone else, We the People just want the border closed Thank You! And illegal immigration slowed way way way down to a mere trickle.

And legal immigration needs to be given a break too for a while. So Give the American people a "Break" and let us catch up for a while. And as we do many of the current "illegals" will enter the legal system, get green cards and in time become citizens.

Why can't Democrat politicians understand this?? What is their problem??

310 315 million here already! Maybe more.. Jobs.!. Where the hell are all the jobs ? In the "Obama Economy"?? For all those that are here?? Medical care providers?? Education opportunities? College admissions for all? Housing?? Water?? Sewage treatment plants?? Electricity with Obama closing coal plants??

Here's something you probably didn't think about: a significant portion of the Salvadorans and other Hispanics in this county, legal or not, send money back to their home countries instead of spending it locally, which is what our "native" poor people would do.

Remittances from workers abroad comprise 16.5% of El Salvador's GDP. In 2012, $3.6 billion left this country, or about $3000 per adult immigrant.

Now, Fairfax County has a population of 43,600 Salvadorans. Even assuming only 20,000 of them are actually sending remittances back home, or less than half, that means that about $60,000,000 is leaving Fairfax County's economy every year, never to be spent here.

Remember also that Salvadorans comprise only about a quarter of the Hispanic population in Fairfax County. It would not surprise me at all if a full accounting revealed that $200 million or more was leaving Fairfax County every year in the form of remittances to Central and South American countries.

El Salvador's major export to Fairfax County is poverty, and Fairfax County's major export to El Salvador is our wealth.

http://www.pewhispanic.org/2013/11/15/remittances-to-latin-america-recover-but-not-to-mexico/ph-remittances-11-2013-a-08/
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/hispanic-growth-in-n.va.-led-by-salvadorans-south-americans/article/116904

ssromerop Wrote:
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> and the only one that can consider them self as
> real americans are the native americans because
> they were here before white people got to the
> USA


How does that make them "real" Americans?

The 'natives' also immigrated to the United States from somewhere else, (across the Bering strait land bridge), following migratory herds.

One thing you forgot to mention is that Europeans built the United States from the dirt up, and brought the natives out of their teepees. Your welcome

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> Hispanics are the people that made the country
> grow

Ya, they sure do grow. It's very rare I actually see an attractive latina. Everyone I see is 4 ft. high and 4 ft. wide. They are all disgusting obese fat bodies. Even they guys are obese little oompa loompas running around. Probably cannot find their micro-penises to save their lives. Filthy genetic trash they are...

I know how this ends ...
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Are you feeling ok? Wrote:
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> ssromerop Wrote:
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> > and the only one that can consider them self as
> > real americans are the native americans because
> > they were here before white people got to the
> > USA
>
>
> How does that make them "real" Americans?
>
> The 'natives' also immigrated to the United States
> from somewhere else, (across the Bering strait
> land bridge), following migratory herds.
>
> One thing you forgot to mention is that Europeans
> built the United States from the dirt up, and
> brought the natives out of their teepees. Your
> welcome

Thank you very much! Ah, reality. So clear.

Nefarious, yet busy local contractor needs a pool of laborers to murder ya know. The only difference is local contractor's great grandfather was murdering dirty irish, wops, and polocks.

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> > > and the only one that can consider them self
> as
> > > real americans are the native americans
> because
> > > they were here before white people got to
> the
> > > USA
> >
> >
> > How does that make them "real" Americans?
> >
> > The 'natives' also immigrated to the United
> States
> > from somewhere else, (across the Bering strait
> > land bridge), following migratory herds.
> >
> > One thing you forgot to mention is that
> Europeans
> > built the United States from the dirt up, and
> > brought the natives out of their teepees. Your
> > welcome
>
> Thank you very much! Ah, reality. So clear.


Just because they post it doesn't make it clear nor reality.

Mississippian tribes created highly complex and specialized religious hierarchies, which presided over the villages surrounding these type religious sites.
http://trails.mdah.ms.gov/tribes.htm

And when you stuff your face with turkey in a couple months, remember it's to thank the native americans for saving the europeans asses from starving.
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So what you saying is that it would be ok to leave kids without their parents
because many hispanics or other people have kids that are americans, so if you guys throw them out millions of kids would be orphanages thats what you mean by a "break" right.
Am american but i would always have hispanic blood in my veins so nobody but us the hispanics really knows how is to work hard so you guys should be thankful that you have a easier life



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Listen up you fucking window lickers.

Spic comes to the US illegally. That makes them illegal. They have a kid here as an illegal. If the adult gets deported, so should the kids. Logic.

If illegals weren't here, there would be 37% less people in our prisons. Look at it that way. Yes, 37% of the prison population are illegals. What a fucking waste of money. Let's not talk about the public schools with kids from illegals who pay no taxes. God forbid we talk about all the rapes and murders, and the pain those families go through.

Fuck illegals. They are NOT immigrants. They are an invasion that will help lead to the collapse of the system.

ssromerop Wrote:
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> Am american but i would always have hispanic blood
> in my veins so nobody but us the hispanics really
> knows how is to work hard so you guys should be
> thankful that you have a easier life

1. You are not the only people who know how to work hard.

2. Get over the entitled resentful attitude.

your judging just bc they r ilegal and thats not correct

most of hispanics come to the USA only for one reason
work!!!

:)

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> If illegals weren't here, there would be 37% less
> people in our prisons. Look at it that way. Yes,
> 37% of the prison population are illegals. What a
> fucking waste of money. Let's not talk about the
> public schools with kids from illegals who pay no
> taxes. God forbid we talk about all the rapes and
> murders, and the pain those families go through.

Bullshit Cletus! Back your shit up with links and facts, not out of your ass!

There isn't even 37% of the incarcerated that are Hispanic.
https://www.bop.gov/about/statistics/statistics_inmate_ethnicity.jsp

The size of the undocumented population rose 200,000 per year under Reagan, compared with 120,000 per year under Obama. If we look at apprehension figures, there were about a million attempts by people to cross the border during the Reagan years. It’s less than half of that amount under Obama.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2015/sep/15/ronald-reagans-legacy-and-second-gop-debate/
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Hispanics are people with at least some Spanish ancestry, or people who come from a Spanish-derived culture, such as Afro-Cubans. Spain is in Europe. Therefore, any native of Mexico, even one who comes from a village populated primarily by people of Native American descent, because s/he is Hispanic, is at the same time the heir of European culture. The southwestern United States was Mexico until the Treaty of Guadeloupe Hidalgo. Until well into the twentieth century, populations moved freely in both directions across the southwestern border. Real property parcels exist that straddle the border, that were, originally, land grants from the king of Spain. Santa Fe, New Mexico, is the oldest capital city in the United States. Check out the Wikipedia article on Santa Fe for some excellent research on the colorful, multicultural history of the area, which has been settled since around 900 a.d.

America is neither less safe because of illegal immigration nor is it worse off economically. In fact, in the regions where immigrants have settled in the past two decades, crime has gone down, cities have grown, poor urban neighborhoods have been rebuilt, and small towns that were once on life support are springing back.
For example, in rural counties that experienced an influx of immigrants in the 1980s and ’90s, crime rates dropped by more than they did in rural counties that did not see high immigrant growth. Higher immigration was associated with reductions in homicide rates for white, black and Latino victims. In both Hazleton, Pa., which has a recent history of hostility toward immigration, and St. James, Minn., a much more welcoming community, migrants have also bolstered dwindling populations and helped to reverse economic decline.


http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/20/opinion/the-beneficial-impact-of-immigrants.html?_r=0

ssromerop Wrote:
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> only that they do the jobs that you would never do

Not really.

Americans just won't be taken advantage of with regard to pay. You shouldn't have so much pride in winning the race to the bottom.

salvadoran major export: poverty Wrote:
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> Here's something you probably didn't think about:
> a significant portion of the Salvadorans and other
> Hispanics in this county, legal or not, send money
> back to their home countries instead of spending
> it locally, which is what our "native" poor people
> would do.
>
> Remittances from workers abroad comprise 16.5% of
> El Salvador's GDP. In 2012, $3.6 billion left this
> country, or about $3000 per adult immigrant.
>
> Now, Fairfax County has a population of 43,600
> Salvadorans. Even assuming only 20,000 of them are
> actually sending remittances back home, or less
> than half, that means that about $60,000,000 is
> leaving Fairfax County's economy every year, never
> to be spent here.
>
> Remember also that Salvadorans comprise only about
> a quarter of the Hispanic population in Fairfax
> County. It would not surprise me at all if a full
> accounting revealed that $200 million or more was
> leaving Fairfax County every year in the form of
> remittances to Central and South American
> countries.
>
> El Salvador's major export to Fairfax County is
> poverty, and Fairfax County's major export to El
> Salvador is our wealth.
>
> http://www.pewhispanic.org/2013/11/15/remittances-
> to-latin-america-recover-but-not-to-mexico/ph-remi
> ttances-11-2013-a-08/
> http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/hispanic-growth-
> in-n.va.-led-by-salvadorans-south-americans/articl
> e/116904

And what happens to those U.S. dollars when they are sent abroad? Are they used to make bedding? Are they burned to heat houses? No, they are used to purchase goods. Why do merchants in those countries accept U.S. dollars? Becasue they can use them to buy--get this--goods from the U.S.

Before the American left turned on American workers and our middle class:

http://www.nytimes.com/2000/02/22/opinion/hasty-call-for-amnesty.html


The A.F.L.-C.I.O.'s call for the government to grant amnesty to an estimated six million illegal immigrants currently living in the United States and to eliminate most sanctions on employers who hire them in the future was a surprising turnabout. Until now, organized labor has fought hard to keep illegal workers from taking jobs from higher-paid union workers.

The A.F.L.-C.I.O.'s proposal is attractive to many groups. Unions welcome the chance to go after a huge new pool of unorganized workers. Employers welcome the chance to hire cheap labor without fear of criminal liability. And illegal immigrants who have worked hard for years and raised families under harrowing circumstances would welcome access to medical care and other services denied to illegal aliens.

But the A.F.L.-C.I.O.'s proposal should be rejected. Amnesty would undermine the integrity of the country's immigration laws and would depress the wages of its lowest-paid native-born workers.

> And what happens to those U.S. dollars when they
> are sent abroad? Are they used to make bedding?
> Are they burned to heat houses? No, they are used
> to purchase goods. Why do merchants in those
> countries accept U.S. dollars? Becasue they can
> use them to buy--get this--goods from the U.S.

All the goods bought in Central America are American made? That's a relief. I thought the money could be spent on housing, medical care, food, rent, cervezas, cheap goods from China or anything the person in Guatemala or El Salvador wanted to buy.

This is the dumbest defense of remittances I've ever seen. Jesus

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> And what happens to those U.S. dollars when they
> are sent abroad? Are they used to make bedding?
> Are they burned to heat houses? No, they are used
> to purchase goods. Why do merchants in those
> countries accept U.S. dollars? Becasue they can
> use them to buy--get this--goods from the U.S.

Actually, the U.S. dollar is the official currency of El Salvador, and has been since 2001.

That means that the dollars from here go there, and do several laps around their economy before finally leaving to go to another country, if they ever do. There are no guarantees that they'll ever be "repatriated" or exchanged back for U.S. goods.

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> salvadoran major export: poverty Wrote:
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>
>
> And what happens to those U.S. dollars when they
> are sent abroad? Are they used to make bedding?
> Are they burned to heat houses? No, they are used
> to purchase goods. Why do merchants in those
> countries accept U.S. dollars? Becasue they can
> use them to buy--get this--goods from the U.S.

And that benefits Fairfax County how?

>It’s less than half of that amount under Obama.

Wonderful! WOW! It ought to be near zero . Close the border. Understand that simple fact and quit trying to screw the American people with endless Democrat supported Illegal immigration for votes for Democrat political hacks.

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> > ssromerop Wrote:
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> > > and the only one that can consider them self
> as
> > > real americans are the native americans
> because
> > > they were here before white people got to
> the
> > > USA
> >
> >
> > How does that make them "real" Americans?
> >
> > The 'natives' also immigrated to the United
> States
> > from somewhere else, (across the Bering strait
> > land bridge), following migratory herds.
> >
> > One thing you forgot to mention is that
> Europeans
> > built the United States from the dirt up, and
> > brought the natives out of their teepees. Your
> > welcome
>
> Thank you very much! Ah, reality. So clear.


Your welcome :-)

Brian Moran wrote
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>
> Just because they post it doesn't make it clear
> nor reality.
>
> Mississippian tribes created highly complex and
> specialized religious hierarchies, which presided
> over the villages surrounding these type religious
> sites.
> http://trails.mdah.ms.gov/tribes.htm
>
> And when you stuff your face with turkey in a
> couple months, remember it's to thank the native
> americans for saving the europeans asses from
> starving.

Everything I posted is crystal clear and factual. A very basic search will reveal it.

Thanks for the pictures of the straw houses. The monolithic civilizations that existed in Greece and Rome thousands of years ago don't hold up compared to those huts.

LMAO NEGRO SLAVES MADE THE COUNTRY GROW. AND WHICH EVER EUROPEAN CONTRY AT THE BOTTOM OF THE BARREL. This snow monkey said europeans !!! hahaha forget about slavery? u no rhythm , no melanin , no "swag" , no soul ass caucus monkeys can eat a brown,black,yellow,TANish(hindu/muslim) KAWK.

Slavery in America was nothing more than housekeeping and picking cotton.

It was the White race that built all of the infrastructure, roads, hospitals, public school systems, bridges, electrical power stations, built telecommunications etc etc

Chinamen built the railroads.

Mexico IS where Mexicans are.

Why do you HATE people who want Americas Immigration Laws to be enforced?

Illegal Is Illegal Not Hate But Law

My honey is hispanic and she makes me grow in certain ways.

HIS PANIC attacks

I am her Dream.

The rest of you dreamers, go home Spankee hisSpyankee Go Home!

SSromeomp, you are NOT correct.

The US middle class became magnificent through early last century and into the post-WWII era because of European culture and influence.
At that time, huge industries helped create this. And from that came western migration, making huge cities of Las Vegas, Phoenix, etc., and increasing the prominence of Southern California and other places.

Everything great about the US was here before the big numbers of latin american immigrants started arriving in the 70s and 80s.

Hispanics from the Americas are not helping the US grow - you are just expanding demand. That does drive the economy, but the reality is that we need manufacturing to return for the masses of ordinary, usually non college-educated people.

Latins continue to come here because their own countries are corrupt and unliveable. Think about that - so how great can you really be??
The US isn't perfect, but we aren't as bad as people think. English culture as our founding blueprint might have to do with that.

And this is coming from a Mexican! (me).

Poor, desperate people work harder for less. Europeans fleeing poverty and despotism did it and worked in fields, mines, steel plants, factories. Yes our poor european and african ancestors built this country, now their progeny has it easy and feel entitled to free stuff to be paid for by the yet unborn. Talk about taxation without representation! I say if you are an honest, hardworking individual, I welcome you as my neighbor - regardless of your color or heritage.

Undocumented Hispanic Americans clean my house and do my yard work and I love them. The are much more honest and reliable than black or white people.

Little cocky run resident Wrote:
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> Undocumented Hispanic Americans clean my house and
> do my yard work and I love them. The are much more
> honest and reliable than black or white people.




If amigo's are so hard working, wouldn't you think that central and South America would be utopia's by now?

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> > Undocumented Hispanic Americans clean my house
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> more
> > honest and reliable than black or white people.
>
>
>
>
> If amigo's are so hard working, wouldn't you think
> that central and South America would be utopia's
> by now?


Many areas of South America are utopias. Heck, when I went to paraguay there was nothing but ASIANS on my plane. That many asians travelling to paraguay? They only go where there is money to be made.

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> Little cocky run resident Wrote:
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> > Undocumented Hispanic Americans clean my house
> and
> > do my yard work and I love them. The are much
> more
> > honest and reliable than black or white people.
>
>
>
>
> If amigo's are so hard working, wouldn't you think
> that central and South America would be utopia's
> by now?


You might think that if you were an ignorant fuck.

Cancer makes doctors and hospitals grow rich. Should we all get cancer?

the debt dems have racked up is ...

$160,000 per non-gov worker out of work, a loss of $1,000,000 to $3,000,000 over a typical lifetime of normal employement, for people who cannot once find any work due to illegal immigration hiring

MEXICANS HAVE HIT REPUBLICAN DENIZENS HARD AND MORE THAN HALVED THEIR TOTAL ASSEST

MEXICANS ARE SIMPLY CARVING OUT A PIECE OF AMERICAN PIE FROM TAXPAYER MONEY - THEY'VE NOT CONTRIBUTED THEY ARE A HUGE UNPAID LIABILITY WHO OPERATE PURELY FOR THEIR OWN GAIN

ALL illegals need to GET OUT of the United States.

Illegals OUT Wrote:
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> ALL illegals need to GET OUT of the United States.

That is not going to happen but if even half of the undocumented American population were to leave suddenly it would drive the USA into a deep depression. Be careful what you wish for!

$3,000 goes back per year, but probably $20,000 stays here...and they definitely add efficiencies for the jobs they are in, albeit at the cost of citizens...
but if you can't compete with undocumented, you most likely have more serious issues to contend with...

if we could only ship el salvador our sjw pc antifa fags, racists, and muslim refugees for their hard working christians, it would be a deal on the order of the louisiana purchase

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> Here's something you probably didn't think about:
> a significant portion of the Salvadorans and other
> Hispanics in this county, legal or not, send money
> back to their home countries instead of spending
> it locally, which is what our "native" poor people
> would do.
>
> Remittances from workers abroad comprise 16.5% of
> El Salvador's GDP. In 2012, $3.6 billion left this
> country, or about $3000 per adult immigrant.
>
> Now, Fairfax County has a population of 43,600
> Salvadorans. Even assuming only 20,000 of them are
> actually sending remittances back home, or less
> than half, that means that about $60,000,000 is
> leaving Fairfax County's economy every year, never
> to be spent here.
>
> Remember also that Salvadorans comprise only about
> a quarter of the Hispanic population in Fairfax
> County. It would not surprise me at all if a full
> accounting revealed that $200 million or more was
> leaving Fairfax County every year in the form of
> remittances to Central and South American
> countries.
>
> El Salvador's major export to Fairfax County is
> poverty, and Fairfax County's major export to El
> Salvador is our wealth.
>
> http://www.pewhispanic.org/2013/11/15/remittances-
> to-latin-america-recover-but-not-to-mexico/ph-remi
> ttances-11-2013-a-08/
> http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/hispanic-growth-
> in-n.va.-led-by-salvadorans-south-americans/articl
> e/116904

Illegals OUT Wrote:
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> ALL illegals need to GET OUT of the United States.

Why don't you go back to europe instead?

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> and the only one that can consider them self as
> real americans are the native americans because
> they were here before white people got to the
> USA


Oy. Bato. You know that applies to "Hispanics" and Latinos yes? They didn't suddenly appear after all the land grabbing borders were drawn. Mexicans are only Mexican by politics; they are Natives, First Nations, first and Mexicans second.
Either way, 8th class citizen.

An illegal/undocumented worker pays no taxes.Many send quite a bit of their earnings out of the country.
Their children consume tax revenue through schools and other benefits.This increases the cost to taxpayers.Gang violence by MS 13 consumes police/court/jail resources ... more costs.ICE to deport some of them.. more costs.
Border patrol ...on and on.
Unemployment checks and benefits to those persons displaced by illegal workers cost even more.
Shady employers who give them jobs that taxpayers could and should have are the biggest criminals but no prosecutions of them.
If legal immigrants or citizens had all those jobs most of this costly nonsense would be eliminated.
Some here say that illegal workers are a benefit to America.
Shady politicians...is there any other kind,pander to Hispanics for their personal gain and their retarded liberal followers agree.
Any rational analysis is labeled as racist.

Illegal immigrants grease the wheels of the labor market by flowing into industries and areas where there is a relative need for workers — where bottlenecks or shortages might otherwise dampen growth.
Illegal immigrants also consume and pay sales taxes on that consumption. They also rent homes and pay down millions of American mortgages.

Deport the gang members and criminal illegals and keep the other 80%!

So anyone who enters illegally can just bypass the existing I'm migration laws that apply to everyone else?
Just don't get caught doing anything else and it's all good?
Why do you think you can personally rewrite existing laws to suit your purposes?
By the way your hero Obama set the record for deporting more people than any other president.
His deeds not his words.

Illegal immigration is good Wrote:
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> Illegal immigrants grease the wheels of the labor
> market by flowing into industries and areas where
> there is a relative need for workers — where
> bottlenecks or shortages might otherwise dampen
> growth.
> Illegal immigrants also consume and pay sales
> taxes on that consumption. They also rent homes
> and pay down millions of American mortgages.

No such thing as labor shortages or bottlenecks in a free economy. Wages should go up to attract legal workers to the industry. Instead, real wages of construction workers are lower now than they were in 1985, thanks to illegal immigrants.

Consumption taxes (and property taxes for that matter) are a small fraction of income taxes. Ask anyone: which tax do you want abolished, the income tax or the sales tax?

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>
> Deport the gang members and criminal illegals and
> keep the other 80%!


That would be the 80%.

The illegals are very important to my economy. They have made me wealthy!

if we're not going to eject them, then contractors should just take them by force from the coyotes at the border and they will work for nearly nothing.

The 'jobs that no American will do' is a myth, there are only jobs no American will do for $7/hr. Illegals depress wages. FACT.

Contractor 56 reminds me of Merrifield Garden Center.
Those families can't stop waving the American flag but made themselves rich from underpaid illegals.
Less so now but in the early days it was more than half of the workers.
They even started a bank so illegals who couldn't get a bank account legitimately could cash their paychecks.
All the while playing the red white and blue cover story.
They and many others got rich while undermining the US economy.

You flag decal won't get you into heaven anymore.

Greed Wrote:
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> You flag decal won't get you into heaven anymore.


When did that happen?

MURICA Wrote:
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> > You flag decal won't get you into heaven
> anymore.
>
>
> When did that happen?

While digesting Reader's Digest in the back of a dirty book store
A plastic flag, with gum on the back fell out on the floor
Well, I picked it up and I ran outside, slapped it on my window shield
And if I could see old Betsy Ross I'd tell her how good I feel

I hate to admit it but I love Illegals. When I am roughing in a house I can pay a illegal 60 dollars to carry the tubs, pipe, fittings, tools etc from my truck into the house. It is a big help and I get finished at least a day sooner. Since I get paid by the job and not by the hour it adds up to roughly 10 to 12 thousand in additional income for me every year. I am more than happy to hand over three 20's for all that labor I save.

A plumber Wrote:
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> I hate to admit it but I love Illegals. When I am
> roughing in a house I can pay a illegal 60 dollars
> to carry the tubs, pipe, fittings, tools etc from
> my truck into the house. It is a big help and I
> get finished at least a day sooner. Since I get
> paid by the job and not by the hour it adds up to
> roughly 10 to 12 thousand in additional income for
> me every year. I am more than happy to hand over
> three 20's for all that labor I save.



Having done plumbing for 20 years I can say you, sir, are no plumber.

Illegal immigration is good Wrote:
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> Illegal immigrants grease the wheels of the labor
> market by flowing into industries and areas where
> there is a relative need for workers — where
> bottlenecks or shortages might otherwise dampen
> growth.
> Illegal immigrants also consume and pay sales
> taxes on that consumption. They also rent homes
> and pay down millions of American mortgages.
>
> Deport the gang members and criminal illegals and
> keep the other 80%!

Deport all of them! And take some of the legal ones, too. Why are so many working in retail? If that is the only job they can get over here, they really don't have any skills that are needed in this country--Americans could work those jobs.

ALL illegals need to GET OUT!

Illegals OUT Wrote:
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> ALL illegals need to GET OUT!

Well, that is not going to happen. Maybe Trump will kick out a few to make a show of it. Even dumbass Trump knows that we need illegals.

Hizztory teach Wrote:
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> Yo esse Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Little cocky run resident Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Undocumented Hispanic Americans clean my
> house
> > and
> > > do my yard work and I love them. The are much
> > more
> > > honest and reliable than black or white
> people.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > If amigo's are so hard working, wouldn't you
> think
> > that central and South America would be
> utopia's
> > by now?
>
>
> You might think that if you were an ignorant fuck.



You sound like a brainwashed pussy.

Little cocky run resident Wrote:
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> Undocumented Hispanic Americans clean my house and
> do my yard work and I love them. The are much more
> honest and reliable than black or white people.


Undocumented Americans make great renters!

Illegals OUT Wrote:
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> ALL illegals need to GET OUT!


You can say that all you want but it will never happen. Best case scenario for Trump is that he deports 20%. We have been deporting 7% on average for years.

taxpayer877 Wrote:
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> Illegals OUT Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > ALL illegals need to GET OUT!
>
>
> You can say that all you want but it will never
> happen. Best case scenario for Trump is that he
> deports 20%. We have been deporting 7% on average
> for years.


Trump the ignofuck will never get 20% out.

ssromerop Wrote:
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> Hispanics are the people that made the country
> grow and you and everyone knows that it is true,
> they work very hard every day for USA to grow not
> only that they do the jobs that you would never do
> because you don't know how to do it, because if
> you knew, then why would you pay someone else to
> do your job so before saying that hispanic are the
> ones that are destroying USA look at the people
> who work for you honestly


Donald Trump’s supporters have it all wrong about immigration: Immigrants make America’s economy stronger, not weaker. And we are going to need a lot more immigrants in coming decades if we want our economy to grow at a faster pace.

America’s economy badly needs the immigrants that Trump’s supporters want to exclude.

Trump himself distinguishes between legal immigration, which he supports (he should: he married two of them!), and illegal immigration, which he says is “killing us.” Trump has called for the forcible removal of 11 million undocumented immigrants, including 8 million workers.

But many of Trump’s supporters don’t accept the distinction between legal and illegal immigrants: They don’t like either kind.

econ 101 Wrote:
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> ssromerop Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Hispanics are the people that made the country
> > grow and you and everyone knows that it is
> true,
> > they work very hard every day for USA to grow
> not
> > only that they do the jobs that you would never
> do
> > because you don't know how to do it, because if
> > you knew, then why would you pay someone else
> to
> > do your job so before saying that hispanic are
> the
> > ones that are destroying USA look at the people
> > who work for you honestly
>
>
> Donald Trump’s supporters have it all wrong
> about immigration: Immigrants make America’s
> economy stronger, not weaker. And we are going to
> need a lot more immigrants in coming decades if we
> want our economy to grow at a faster pace.
>
> America’s economy badly needs the immigrants
> that Trump’s supporters want to exclude.
>
> Trump himself distinguishes between legal
> immigration, which he supports (he should: he
> married two of them!), and illegal immigration,
> which he says is “killing us.” Trump has
> called for the forcible removal of 11 million
> undocumented immigrants, including 8 million
> workers.
>
> But many of Trump’s supporters don’t accept
> the distinction between legal and illegal
> immigrants: They don’t like either kind.


......makes sense

Spain is in Europe.

Trump used undocumented workers to build trump tower .Don't let Don the con fool you oops he already did .
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econ 101 Wrote:
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> ssromerop Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Hispanics are the people that made the country
> > grow and you and everyone knows that it is
> true,
> > they work very hard every day for USA to grow
> not
> > only that they do the jobs that you would never
> do
> > because you don't know how to do it, because if
> > you knew, then why would you pay someone else
> to
> > do your job so before saying that hispanic are
> the
> > ones that are destroying USA look at the people
> > who work for you honestly
>
>
> Donald Trump’s supporters have it all wrong
> about immigration: Immigrants make America’s
> economy stronger, not weaker. And we are going to
> need a lot more immigrants in coming decades if we
> want our economy to grow at a faster pace.
>
> America’s economy badly needs the immigrants
> that Trump’s supporters want to exclude.
>
> Trump himself distinguishes between legal
> immigration, which he supports (he should: he
> married two of them!), and illegal immigration,
> which he says is “killing us.” Trump has
> called for the forcible removal of 11 million
> undocumented immigrants, including 8 million
> workers.
>
> But many of Trump’s supporters don’t accept
> the distinction between legal and illegal
> immigrants: They don’t like either kind.


trumps wife is a legal immigrant and his supporters accept that.

I'll say it again. This is true. Hispanic women are great at having babies and they almost never get abortions .. that's too taboo in their culture.

My old lady mujere is from a family of 12 and they reproduced into about 70 more including a couple of great grand children and so and so forth.

They make the country grow in population. This is true .. and whatever else the OP wanted to emphasize, minus anything derogatory towards skin color of another that is.

So often it is the non-whites who bring up skin color as if it is some magical Ace in the pocket card to win an argument.

It is not.

Rather it is showing ignorance behind an argument that says they "deserve some special thing or right because they are not white"
No they do not deserve special rights.
We have individual rights in this country. The constitution does not guarantee
special rights to any group.
The 19th amendment DID recognize a woman's right to vote in elections, but it did not give women any special rights above and beyond any other "group'.

The Constitution basically treats "rights" as rights for every individual (not groups).

Also quoting about this:

"But many of Trump’s supporters don’t accept
> the distinction between legal and illegal
> immigrants: They don’t like either kind."

First of all many Trump supporters are simply Anti-Leftists .. in other words he wasn't their first choice but thought he was the best choice to keep Hillary out of office.

Secondly, the assumption that Trump supporters don't like LEGAL immigrants is a fallacy.

What is true, however is that many on the right, whether Trump supporters OR Old school Republicans OR even Neo-Cons, is that the majority of them wish that those immigrating LEGALLY would actually embrace their "new" country in every way, including learning our common language, ENGLISH. Too often the US is just a place where migrants come, get permanent residency or citizenship, only to Expatriate to their country or birth to retire or on the illegal side of immigration, send money earned here back to their primary homes in other countries.


The lack of order within the immigration system is a detriment to everyone here and a burden to the economy. While we want skilled persons and unskilled labor, there must be more order to how we permit migration and what we permit with the benefit of living in the US.

I Love Latinos and All Migrants Wrote:
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> I'll say it again. This is true. Hispanic women
> are great at having babies and they almost never
> get abortions .. that's too taboo in their
> culture.
>
> My old lady mujere is from a family of 12 and they
> reproduced into about 70 more including a couple
> of great grand children and so and so forth.
>
> They make the country grow in population. This is
> true .. and whatever else the OP wanted to
> emphasize, minus anything derogatory towards skin
> color of another that is.
>
> So often it is the non-whites who bring up skin
> color as if it is some magical Ace in the pocket
> card to win an argument.
>
> It is not.
>
> Rather it is showing ignorance behind an argument
> that says they "deserve some special thing or
> right because they are not white"
> No they do not deserve special rights.
> We have individual rights in this country. The
> constitution does not guarantee
> special rights to any group.
> The 19th amendment DID recognize a woman's right
> to vote in elections, but it did not give women
> any special rights above and beyond any other
> "group'.
>
> The Constitution basically treats "rights" as
> rights for every individual (not groups).
>
> Also quoting about this:
>
> "But many of Trump’s supporters don’t accept
> > the distinction between legal and illegal
> > immigrants: They don’t like either kind."
>
> First of all many Trump supporters are simply
> Anti-Leftists .. in other words he wasn't their
> first choice but thought he was the best choice to
> keep Hillary out of office.
>
> Secondly, the assumption that Trump supporters
> don't like LEGAL immigrants is a fallacy.
>
> What is true, however is that many on the right,
> whether Trump supporters OR Old school Republicans
> OR even Neo-Cons, is that the majority of them
> wish that those immigrating LEGALLY would actually
> embrace their "new" country in every way,
> including learning our common language, ENGLISH.
> Too often the US is just a place where migrants
> come, get permanent residency or citizenship, only
> to Expatriate to their country or birth to retire
> or on the illegal side of immigration, send money
> earned here back to their primary homes in other
> countries.
>
>
> The lack of order within the immigration system is
> a detriment to everyone here and a burden to the
> economy. While we want skilled persons and
> unskilled labor, there must be more order to how
> we permit migration and what we permit with the
> benefit of living in the US.


That's stupid.

Hispanics are hard working people. They do jobs, probably no one else would do. However, by taking those jobs by no means they make the country grow/advance in any way. In order for a country to grow, well-educated and highly skilled people are needed in high-tech, medicine, etc. We all appreciate Hispanics who take those hard and labor-intense jobs. Though, if you want to be recognized as the people who make this country grow, go get a good education, first. Unfortunately there are only that many Hispanics with good education in the US. Don't get me wrong there are some world-renowned hispanic scientists in the world. But they prefer to stay in their Homeland and all we get here are the blue collared ones.

Jerry Wrote:
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> Hispanics are hard working people. They do jobs,
> probably no one else would do. However, by taking
> those jobs by no means they make the country
> grow/advance in any way. In order for a country to
> grow, well-educated and highly skilled people are
> needed in high-tech, medicine, etc. We all
> appreciate Hispanics who take those hard and
> labor-intense jobs. Though, if you want to be
> recognized as the people who make this country
> grow, go get a good education, first.
> Unfortunately there are only that many Hispanics
> with good education in the US. Don't get me wrong
> there are some world-renowned hispanic scientists
> in the world. But they prefer to stay in their
> Homeland and all we get here are the blue collared
> ones.
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I think that house should have used You're instead of your.

denial syndrom is common with hispanics they take to it easily

illegals are a huge cost burden on the USA and the jobs they steal are not as well done as by the people they replaced purely by racism and political need for "loyal demcorat votes"

jndj3 Wrote:
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>

> denial syndrom is common with hispanics they take
> to it easily
>
> illegals are a huge cost burden on the USA and the
> jobs they steal are not as well done as by the
> people they replaced purely by racism and
> political need for "loyal demcorat votes"
>

You're stupid.

Allen Eagle Wrote:
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> Illegals OUT Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > ALL illegals need to GET OUT of the United
> States.
>
> Why don't you go back to europe instead?
Gotta love how u assume all people who oppose illegals are of Anglo background...

If mass deportation was to occur, most of the jobs they leave behind will be unskilled, such as farmworkers who pick produce, or construction workers in the housing sector. Additionally, California, Florida, Illinois, New York, New Jersey, and Texas will have the largest losses, as these six states contain the majority of unauthorized immigrants. The question of whether the resulting job market will benefit the U.S. economy depends largely on whether American workers are willing to work in those jobs at the prevailing wage rate.

If non-working American citizens or legal immigrants fill the jobs void at the current wage rate, prices in these industries would remain relatively constant, and the switch from undocumented immigrants to legal taxpayers could boost U.S. tax revenues. However, even as those new workers help to spur the economy, the U.S. would lose the spending revenue generated by those undocumented immigrants who had been deported, since the vast majority of undocumented immigrants are working and spending their incomes.

Yeah, it was just great to have a Hispanic guy speaking no English and had no insurance drive his box truck into my wife's explorer earlier this week. Appreciate it. Live here, please pay taxes and obey the laws.

We need illegals! Wrote:
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> If mass deportation was to occur, most of the jobs
> they leave behind will be unskilled, such as
> farmworkers who pick produce, or construction
> workers in the housing sector. Additionally,
> California, Florida, Illinois, New York, New
> Jersey, and Texas will have the largest losses, as
> these six states contain the majority of
> unauthorized immigrants. The question of whether
> the resulting job market will benefit the U.S.
> economy depends largely on whether American
> workers are willing to work in those jobs at the
> prevailing wage rate.
>
> If non-working American citizens or legal
> immigrants fill the jobs void at the current wage
> rate, prices in these industries would remain
> relatively constant, and the switch from
> undocumented immigrants to legal taxpayers could
> boost U.S. tax revenues. However, even as those
> new workers help to spur the economy, the U.S.
> would lose the spending revenue generated by those
> undocumented immigrants who had been deported,
> since the vast majority of undocumented immigrants
> are working and spending their incomes.


Very true.

We need illegals! Wrote:
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> If mass deportation was to occur, most of the jobs
> they leave behind will be unskilled, such as
> farmworkers who pick produce, or construction
> workers in the housing sector. Additionally,
> California, Florida, Illinois, New York, New
> Jersey, and Texas will have the largest losses, as
> these six states contain the majority of
> unauthorized immigrants. The question of whether
> the resulting job market will benefit the U.S.
> economy depends largely on whether American
> workers are willing to work in those jobs at the
> prevailing wage rate.
>
> If non-working American citizens or legal
> immigrants fill the jobs void at the current wage
> rate, prices in these industries would remain
> relatively constant, and the switch from
> undocumented immigrants to legal taxpayers could
> boost U.S. tax revenues. However, even as those
> new workers help to spur the economy, the U.S.
> would lose the spending revenue generated by those
> undocumented immigrants who had been deported,
> since the vast majority of undocumented immigrants
> are working and spending their incomes.


You forgot to count losing their costs. Which, since as you say they typically are lower income, are substantial relative to the small revenue they generate. Each kid in FCPS costs us somewhere in the range of $15k-$20k/year (plus that's often x N kids). And that's just one of many costs. Sorry, they aren't generating nearly that much revenue. And it's not counting long-term costs. What are you going to do with millions of these lower income people with little to no assets as they age and become even more dependent?

balance sheet Wrote:
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> We need illegals! Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > If mass deportation was to occur, most of the
> jobs
> > they leave behind will be unskilled, such as
> > farmworkers who pick produce, or construction
> > workers in the housing sector. Additionally,
> > California, Florida, Illinois, New York, New
> > Jersey, and Texas will have the largest losses,
> as
> > these six states contain the majority of
> > unauthorized immigrants. The question of
> whether
> > the resulting job market will benefit the U.S.
> > economy depends largely on whether American
> > workers are willing to work in those jobs at
> the
> > prevailing wage rate.
> >
> > If non-working American citizens or legal
> > immigrants fill the jobs void at the current
> wage
> > rate, prices in these industries would remain
> > relatively constant, and the switch from
> > undocumented immigrants to legal taxpayers
> could
> > boost U.S. tax revenues. However, even as those
> > new workers help to spur the economy, the U.S.
> > would lose the spending revenue generated by
> those
> > undocumented immigrants who had been deported,
> > since the vast majority of undocumented
> immigrants
> > are working and spending their incomes.
>
>
> You forgot to count losing their costs. Which,
> since as you say they typically are lower income,
> are substantial relative to the small revenue they
> generate. Each kid in FCPS costs us somewhere in
> the range of $15k-$20k/year (plus that's often x N
> kids). And that's just one of many costs. Sorry,
> they aren't generating nearly that much revenue.
> And it's not counting long-term costs. What are
> you going to do with millions of these lower
> income people with little to no assets as they age
> and become even more dependent?


Eight out of ten of those kids we educate grow up to be law abiding, taxpaying citizens and return all those dollars many times over. Education is an investment not a cost. You have just proven beyond all doubt that you are an extremely ignorant individual.

econ 101 Wrote:
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> balance sheet Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > We need illegals! Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > If mass deportation was to occur, most of the
> > jobs
> > > they leave behind will be unskilled, such as
> > > farmworkers who pick produce, or construction
> > > workers in the housing sector. Additionally,
> > > California, Florida, Illinois, New York, New
> > > Jersey, and Texas will have the largest
> losses,
> > as
> > > these six states contain the majority of
> > > unauthorized immigrants. The question of
> > whether
> > > the resulting job market will benefit the
> U.S.
> > > economy depends largely on whether American
> > > workers are willing to work in those jobs at
> > the
> > > prevailing wage rate.
> > >
> > > If non-working American citizens or legal
> > > immigrants fill the jobs void at the current
> > wage
> > > rate, prices in these industries would remain
> > > relatively constant, and the switch from
> > > undocumented immigrants to legal taxpayers
> > could
> > > boost U.S. tax revenues. However, even as
> those
> > > new workers help to spur the economy, the
> U.S.
> > > would lose the spending revenue generated by
> > those
> > > undocumented immigrants who had been
> deported,
> > > since the vast majority of undocumented
> > immigrants
> > > are working and spending their incomes.
> >
> >
> > You forgot to count losing their costs. Which,
> > since as you say they typically are lower
> income,
> > are substantial relative to the small revenue
> they
> > generate. Each kid in FCPS costs us somewhere
> in
> > the range of $15k-$20k/year (plus that's often x
> N
> > kids). And that's just one of many costs.
> Sorry,
> > they aren't generating nearly that much revenue.
>
> > And it's not counting long-term costs. What
> are
> > you going to do with millions of these lower
> > income people with little to no assets as they
> age
> > and become even more dependent?
>
>
> Eight out of ten of those kids we educate grow up
> to be law abiding, taxpaying citizens and return
> all those dollars many times over. Education is an
> investment not a cost. You have just proven beyond
> all doubt that you are an extremely ignorant
> individual.


Bullshit. Look at Hispanic high school and college graduation rates. They're dismal even after multiple generations.

Here, I'll quote ThinkProgress which clearly is biased in favor of illegals so you can't argue the source:

"About 122,600 undocumented high school seniors attend high school every year, but only 31,850 are likely to attend a postsecondary institution each year. Of those, less than 2,000 are likely to graduate from college each year."

In addition, it's near certain that the children of illegals will not significantly change their relative position economically. We're building a huge underclass and at the same time depressing wages and opportunity to advance for citizens, primarily lower education/skill/income-level blacks.

balance sheet Wrote:
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> econ 101 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > balance sheet Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > We need illegals! Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > If mass deportation was to occur, most of
> the
> > > jobs
> > > > they leave behind will be unskilled, such
> as
> > > > farmworkers who pick produce, or
> construction
> > > > workers in the housing sector.
> Additionally,
> > > > California, Florida, Illinois, New York,
> New
> > > > Jersey, and Texas will have the largest
> > losses,
> > > as
> > > > these six states contain the majority of
> > > > unauthorized immigrants. The question of
> > > whether
> > > > the resulting job market will benefit the
> > U.S.
> > > > economy depends largely on whether American
> > > > workers are willing to work in those jobs
> at
> > > the
> > > > prevailing wage rate.
> > > >
> > > > If non-working American citizens or legal
> > > > immigrants fill the jobs void at the
> current
> > > wage
> > > > rate, prices in these industries would
> remain
> > > > relatively constant, and the switch from
> > > > undocumented immigrants to legal taxpayers
> > > could
> > > > boost U.S. tax revenues. However, even as
> > those
> > > > new workers help to spur the economy, the
> > U.S.
> > > > would lose the spending revenue generated
> by
> > > those
> > > > undocumented immigrants who had been
> > deported,
> > > > since the vast majority of undocumented
> > > immigrants
> > > > are working and spending their incomes.
> > >
> > >
> > > You forgot to count losing their costs.
> Which,
> > > since as you say they typically are lower
> > income,
> > > are substantial relative to the small revenue
> > they
> > > generate. Each kid in FCPS costs us
> somewhere
> > in
> > > the range of $15k-$20k/year (plus that's often
> x
> > N
> > > kids). And that's just one of many costs.
> > Sorry,
> > > they aren't generating nearly that much
> revenue.
> >
> > > And it's not counting long-term costs. What
> > are
> > > you going to do with millions of these lower
> > > income people with little to no assets as
> they
> > age
> > > and become even more dependent?
> >
> >
> > Eight out of ten of those kids we educate grow
> up
> > to be law abiding, taxpaying citizens and
> return
> > all those dollars many times over. Education is
> an
> > investment not a cost. You have just proven
> beyond
> > all doubt that you are an extremely ignorant
> > individual.
>
>
> Bullshit. Look at Hispanic high school and
> college graduation rates. They're dismal even
> after multiple generations.
>
> Here, I'll quote ThinkProgress which clearly is
> biased in favor of illegals so you can't argue the
> source:
>
> "About 122,600 undocumented high school seniors
> attend high school every year, but only 31,850 are
> likely to attend a postsecondary institution each
> year. Of those, less than 2,000 are likely to
> graduate from college each year."
>
> In addition, it's near certain that the children
> of illegals will not significantly change their
> relative position economically. We're building a
> huge underclass and at the same time depressing
> wages and opportunity to advance for citizens,
> primarily lower education/skill/income-level
> blacks.


It's okay, like I said you have already proven that you are completely ignorant. No need to prove it again like you just did.

econ 101 Wrote:
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> balance sheet Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > econ 101 Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > balance sheet Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > We need illegals! Wrote:
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > >
> > > > -----
> > > > > If mass deportation was to occur, most of
> > the
> > > > jobs
> > > > > they leave behind will be unskilled, such
> > as
> > > > > farmworkers who pick produce, or
> > construction
> > > > > workers in the housing sector.
> > Additionally,
> > > > > California, Florida, Illinois, New York,
> > New
> > > > > Jersey, and Texas will have the largest
> > > losses,
> > > > as
> > > > > these six states contain the majority of
> > > > > unauthorized immigrants. The question of
> > > > whether
> > > > > the resulting job market will benefit the
> > > U.S.
> > > > > economy depends largely on whether
> American
> > > > > workers are willing to work in those jobs
> > at
> > > > the
> > > > > prevailing wage rate.
> > > > >
> > > > > If non-working American citizens or legal
> > > > > immigrants fill the jobs void at the
> > current
> > > > wage
> > > > > rate, prices in these industries would
> > remain
> > > > > relatively constant, and the switch from
> > > > > undocumented immigrants to legal
> taxpayers
> > > > could
> > > > > boost U.S. tax revenues. However, even as
> > > those
> > > > > new workers help to spur the economy, the
> > > U.S.
> > > > > would lose the spending revenue generated
> > by
> > > > those
> > > > > undocumented immigrants who had been
> > > deported,
> > > > > since the vast majority of undocumented
> > > > immigrants
> > > > > are working and spending their incomes.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > You forgot to count losing their costs.
> > Which,
> > > > since as you say they typically are lower
> > > income,
> > > > are substantial relative to the small
> revenue
> > > they
> > > > generate. Each kid in FCPS costs us
> > somewhere
> > > in
> > > > the range of $15k-$20k/year (plus that's
> often
> > x
> > > N
> > > > kids). And that's just one of many costs.
> > > Sorry,
> > > > they aren't generating nearly that much
> > revenue.
> > >
> > > > And it's not counting long-term costs.
> What
> > > are
> > > > you going to do with millions of these
> lower
> > > > income people with little to no assets as
> > they
> > > age
> > > > and become even more dependent?
> > >
> > >
> > > Eight out of ten of those kids we educate
> grow
> > up
> > > to be law abiding, taxpaying citizens and
> > return
> > > all those dollars many times over. Education
> is
> > an
> > > investment not a cost. You have just proven
> > beyond
> > > all doubt that you are an extremely ignorant
> > > individual.
> >
> >
> > Bullshit. Look at Hispanic high school and
> > college graduation rates. They're dismal even
> > after multiple generations.
> >
> > Here, I'll quote ThinkProgress which clearly is
> > biased in favor of illegals so you can't argue
> the
> > source:
> >
> > "About 122,600 undocumented high school seniors
> > attend high school every year, but only 31,850
> are
> > likely to attend a postsecondary institution
> each
> > year. Of those, less than 2,000 are likely to
> > graduate from college each year."
> >
> > In addition, it's near certain that the
> children
> > of illegals will not significantly change their
> > relative position economically. We're building
> a
> > huge underclass and at the same time depressing
> > wages and opportunity to advance for citizens,
> > primarily lower education/skill/income-level
> > blacks.
>
>
> It's okay, like I said you have already proven
> that you are completely ignorant. No need to prove
> it again like you just did.


So in other words ya got nuthin.

Sorry, your touchy-feely bullshit doesn't stand up against facts.

There are few subjects that evoke as much emotion as immigration reform, especially since future laws could result in a path to citizenship for over 11 million illegal immigrants.

When analyzed from the vantage point of information derived from reputable, nonpartisan sources (the Pew Research Center, USDA, United States Department of Labor, and leading economists and researchers) then one can obtain a clearer view of this muddled discussion. The truth of the matter is that illegal immigrants are important to the U.S. economy, as well as vital to certain industries like agriculture.

According to the Pew Research Hispanic Trends Project, there were 8.4 million unauthorized immigrants employed in the U.S.; representing 5.2 percent of the U.S. labor force (an increase from 3.8 percent in 2000).

ssromerop Wrote:
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> and the only one that can consider them self as
> real americans are the native americans because
> they were here before white people got to the
> USA


Very true.

Thank God for illegals. I love them!

According to a study issued by the National Bureau of Economic Research, loss of the illegal alien segment of the labor force would cost the U.S. economy $5 trillion over a decade. Illegal immigrants provide $500 billion in output a year.

The guy who details my truck is a undocumented American. 40 bucks for a full detail. You just cant beat that sweet deal.

Phillip Yercup Wrote:
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> According to a study issued by the National Bureau
> of Economic Research, loss of the illegal alien
> segment of the labor force would cost the U.S.
> economy $5 trillion over a decade. Illegal
> immigrants provide $500 billion in output a year.


Crime results in economic output.

The money provided to school and otherwise take care of their kids is economic output.

Doesn't necessarily mean that it's net beneficial.

Phillip Yercup Wrote:
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> According to a study issued by the National Bureau
> of Economic Research, loss of the illegal alien
> segment of the labor force would cost the U.S.
> economy $5 trillion over a decade. Illegal
> immigrants provide $500 billion in output a year.


NBER is a shell organization for the big central banks. They provide "research" and "analysis" for the central banks to push their agenda. Come one, everyone knows this.