Note from a high school principal today:

Transportation was one of the biggest challenges of the day. A large number of school buses arrived after our school start time of 8:10 a.m. and several more buses arrived after 2:55 p.m. which caused a slightly delayed dismissal. We will work with FCPS Transportation to ensure all students arrive and depart on time in the coming days and thank you for your flexibility during this first week. The administration and faculty are also taking the new late start time schedule’s ripple effects in stride (ed. note: meaning, they don't fucking care since they get to sleep in an extra half hour now).

What did you expect?

The old schedules were based on 20 years of knowledge and tweaking to best optimize bus routes, school populations, and funding. They were thrown in the trash to appease some idiot moms who used junk science to conclude that if schools start later their kids would get more sleep.

Did you notice that some schools actually have shorter total teaching time each day because of this?

Did you notice that some schools start 35 minutes later but the buses only come 10 minutes later?

Tamara Kaufucked Wrote:
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> Note from a high school principal today:
>
> The administration and faculty are also
> taking the new late start time schedule’s ripple
> effects in stride (ed. note: meaning, they don't
> fucking care since they get to sleep in an extra
> half hour now).


It may mean admin and faculty are also burdened but they are trying to be mature and they hope the parents will follow suit. Personally, I don’t think anyone is getting any more sleep and I wouldn’t be surprised if many get less sleep.

My question: who got the kickback?

For the second my kids' bus was on time to the minute. Yesterday it was exactly on for pick up and drop off - to the minute. I dont know how much better they could do. Last year we had more problems with overcrowding, sitting for half hour in un ac'd bus. 2nd day and they are running like a swiss watch for my family.

Traffic is FUCKED!

Working out great for me. I have one extra hour to masturbate and my parents aren't home.

Venkat R Wrote:
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> Working out great for me. I have one extra hour
> to masturbate and my parents aren't home.

Close the thread, we have a winner.

Another disaster this morning for my kids.

Hey, at least these people got a note. My kid's bus was almost an hour late yesterday, and no one is even answering the fucking phone at school, never mind emailing apologies.

My kids got to sleep in a bit longer today. Actually had time for breakfast and even took out the trash for a change. They seemed more alert as well.

The bus arrived on time and I even made it to work earlier than usual.

Overall a success from my viewpoint.

Definitely worth the extra money FCPS spent to adjust the schedules.

Tax money well spent.

I will vote accordingly.

on time here sorry others are having probs.

I'm a LBSS parent and after years of the old schedule I was not optimistic. However, I must say that so far so good. Bus arrived on time and no hardship on the kid for the afternoon. But...if my kid was in sports (as my last graduate was in football) than I can't speak on how that would impact the kids.

Happy Parent Wrote:
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> My kids got to sleep in a bit longer today.
> Actually had time for breakfast and even took out
> the trash for a change. They seemed more alert as
> well.
>
> The bus arrived on time and I even made it to work
> earlier than usual.
>
> Overall a success from my viewpoint.
>
> Definitely worth the extra money FCPS spent to
> adjust the schedules.
>
> Tax money well spent.
>
> I will vote accordingly.


This message was sent by the Ryan McElveen campaign in all likelihood. No person in their right mind thinks FCPS spends tax money wisely.

A duplicate "Happy Parent" message appeared yesterday in another thread. This family must generate a lot of trash that the kids had to take it out two days in a row.

Seriously, if you're going to fake-post, at least be a little smarter about it.

As I said in another post, it has nothing to do with extra sleep but giving the teenage brain the time it needs to become alert enough to process and learn. Stop whining and deal with the change. And, I am not a soccer mom or a helicopter mom or whatever else you want to call me.

tired of your whining Wrote:
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> As I said in another post, it has nothing to do
> with extra sleep but giving the teenage brain the
> time it needs to become alert enough to process
> and learn. Stop whining and deal with the change.
> And, I am not a soccer mom or a helicopter mom or
> whatever else you want to call me.

And I'll bet you whined about the early start times when they existed.

The start times were changed because the biggest bunch of whiners ever kept this issue dragging on for years until they got what they wanted. Why didn't they "deal" with the status quo?

Tamara Kaufucked Wrote:
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> Note from a high school principal today:
>
> Transportation was one of the biggest challenges
> of the day. A large number of school buses arrived
> after our school start time of 8:10 a.m. and
> several more buses arrived after 2:55 p.m. which
> caused a slightly delayed dismissal. We will work
> with FCPS Transportation to ensure all students
> arrive and depart on time in the coming days and
> thank you for your flexibility during this first
> week. The administration and faculty are also
> taking the new late start time schedule’s ripple
> effects in stride (ed. note: meaning, they don't
> fucking care since they get to sleep in an extra
> half hour now).

Just saying...I work for a middle school, and we used to be on the second run after the high school run. Those tardy buses will be tardy all year. We had about 5-6 buses that were late on a daily basis because the high school run never ended on time.

Now my students are on the first run, of course. The school day doesn't start until 7:30, but the kids are dropped off between 7:10 and 7:20. All on time.

Bus Runs Wrote:
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> Tamara Kaufucked Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Note from a high school principal today:
> >
> > Transportation was one of the biggest
> challenges
> > of the day. A large number of school buses
> arrived
> > after our school start time of 8:10 a.m. and
> > several more buses arrived after 2:55 p.m.
> which
> > caused a slightly delayed dismissal. We will
> work
> > with FCPS Transportation to ensure all students
> > arrive and depart on time in the coming days
> and
> > thank you for your flexibility during this
> first
> > week. The administration and faculty are also
> > taking the new late start time schedule’s
> ripple
> > effects in stride (ed. note: meaning, they
> don't
> > fucking care since they get to sleep in an
> extra
> > half hour now).
>
> Just saying...I work for a middle school, and we
> used to be on the second run after the high school
> run. Those tardy buses will be tardy all year. We
> had about 5-6 buses that were late on a daily
> basis because the high school run never ended on
> time.
>
> Now my students are on the first run, of course.
> The school day doesn't start until 7:30, but the
> kids are dropped off between 7:10 and 7:20. All on
> time.


^^^+1 Was going to say the same thing. I work for a middle school and we always dealt with late buses, particularly for the first week or two as everything got sorted out. The high school has never had to deal with it before so they don't realize that this has been going on for years and years and years. It's not unique to this schedule change.

An absolute disaster!

back at ya Wrote:
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> tired of your whining Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > As I said in another post, it has nothing to do
> > with extra sleep but giving the teenage brain
> the
> > time it needs to become alert enough to process
> > and learn. Stop whining and deal with the
> change.
> > And, I am not a soccer mom or a helicopter mom
> or
> > whatever else you want to call me.
>
> And I'll bet you whined about the early start
> times when they existed.
>
> The start times were changed because the biggest
> bunch of whiners ever kept this issue dragging on
> for years until they got what they wanted. Why
> didn't they "deal" with the status quo?


Nope. Never whined. Just saw my kid's grades in the first block class drop. His school had once a week late start at 8:00 am and that was the only day he was alert first block. The "biggest bunch of whiners" as you say actually knew the importance of teens sleeping later and kept at it until someone listened. Give it a year and then poll those kids who grades suffered in prior years.
By the way, my kid fixed it by taking online classes which were held after school and he could arrive to school a block later. He did this while playing a sport so it all worked out. I would not have recommended an online class as it is on the student to attend and do the work on their own. But, he did it all on his own and I just had to sign the form. So, no I don't whine. Grow up!

tired of your whining Wrote:
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> As I said in another post, it has nothing to do
> with extra sleep but giving the teenage brain the
> time it needs to become alert enough to process
> and learn. Stop whining and deal with the change.
> And, I am not a soccer mom or a helicopter mom or
> whatever else you want to call me.

Middle-schoolers are 13 and 14 years old. How about their brains? Do they matter?

#HelicopterLivesMatter

Bus Runs Wrote:
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> Tamara Kaufucked Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Note from a high school principal today:
> >
> > Transportation was one of the biggest
> challenges
> > of the day. A large number of school buses
> arrived
> > after our school start time of 8:10 a.m. and
> > several more buses arrived after 2:55 p.m.
> which
> > caused a slightly delayed dismissal. We will
> work
> > with FCPS Transportation to ensure all students
> > arrive and depart on time in the coming days
> and
> > thank you for your flexibility during this
> first
> > week. The administration and faculty are also
> > taking the new late start time schedule’s
> ripple
> > effects in stride (ed. note: meaning, they
> don't
> > fucking care since they get to sleep in an
> extra
> > half hour now).
>
> Just saying...I work for a middle school, and we
> used to be on the second run after the high school
> run. Those tardy buses will be tardy all year. We
> had about 5-6 buses that were late on a daily
> basis because the high school run never ended on
> time.
>
> Now my students are on the first run, of course.
> The school day doesn't start until 7:30, but the
> kids are dropped off between 7:10 and 7:20. All on
> time.


That makes sense. Thanks for the insight. Something else not considered, or wait, was anything relevant considered?

tired of your whining Wrote:
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> back at ya Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > tired of your whining Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > As I said in another post, it has nothing to
> do
> > > with extra sleep but giving the teenage brain
> > the
> > > time it needs to become alert enough to
> process
> > > and learn. Stop whining and deal with the
> > change.
> > > And, I am not a soccer mom or a helicopter
> mom
> > or
> > > whatever else you want to call me.
> >
> > And I'll bet you whined about the early start
> > times when they existed.
> >
> > The start times were changed because the
> biggest
> > bunch of whiners ever kept this issue dragging
> on
> > for years until they got what they wanted. Why
> > didn't they "deal" with the status quo?
>
>
> Nope. Never whined. Just saw my kid's grades in
> the first block class drop. His school had once a
> week late start at 8:00 am and that was the only
> day he was alert first block. The "biggest bunch
> of whiners" as you say actually knew the
> importance of teens sleeping later and kept at it
> until someone listened. Give it a year and then
> poll those kids who grades suffered in prior
> years.
> By the way, my kid fixed it by taking online
> classes which were held after school and he could
> arrive to school a block later. He did this while
> playing a sport so it all worked out. I would not
> have recommended an online class as it is on the
> student to attend and do the work on their own.
> But, he did it all on his own and I just had to
> sign the form. So, no I don't whine. Grow up!

Well, we can't afford it next year anyway, so don't get used to it.

Watching Thursday night's school board meeting on YouTube right now. It's like one collective pat on the back with how great SLEEP is. I believe it is Sandy Evans who just said, "We made history."

Hahaha. Fairfax County is so stuck up in its own ass.

SLEEP -- one for the history books.

Overall not too well received by staff or students.

Many have to longer commutes in traffic or by bus. Many only see a 20-30 minute time savings as the rest is spent in traffic.

Some locations may be different, but not the comments I am hearing.

With messed up bus schedules my daughter only gets about 20 minutes of sleep so no, not a great success.

Meanwhile the Junior High kids are waiting for busses at 6:30! Jr High kids must take busses or be driven. This often entails getting younger kids up 2 hours early to take sis to bus stop. High School kids either drive or ride with friends. I don't think anyone thought about the impact on Jr High.

This has nothing to do with kids of any age. It has to do with getting whiny helicopter moms off the phones of the school administration. And they were able to buy them off and shut them up for just a measly 20 minutes and 5 million bucks.

Baloney. Kids like there extra hours sleep. Now give em a good breakfast so they wont be too hungry, looking up at the clock every five minutes, wondering what's for lunch, daydreaming in math class bored as hell, like me tested above the 98th percentile but a hungry sleepy head, and ended up digging ditch's for a _________ . You fill in the blank.

Let um lie.. Like sleeping dogs or handguns in holsters. Just leave um be. ..When they wake...

Don't Forget that Good Breakfast! Toss the cheap lousy carb sugar toaster pies.

There kids! Eat! Load um up! Hotcakes and sausage, fried fish ,onions and potatoes, hot biscuits and honey and sausage gravy, a couple eggs, toast, pork chops, beef steak, scrapple, bacon, Milk, OJ, I bet you cant fill um up.... Make it last till lunchtime.. So They can study!

Anyone who commutes in this area knows that a 30 minute commute at 6:00am is a 45-50 minute commute at 7:00am.

The problem is that there is not good highway infrastructure here and the road design is terrible. I have never seen a place with so many lane mergers (it's unbelievable). Also, toll roads don't work when will this place ever learn. Houston tried this 20 years ago and the conclusion was they don't work. They used the hov lanes to expand the highway system. Everytime there is a proposal to build an extra lane or highway it always gets resistance from the general public. Funny how people complain about the traffic, but don't do anything about it.
The state saying should go from "Virginia is for Lovers" to "Virgnia is for Lovers of Traffic."

I am a high school teacher. The students know that SLEEP is a joke. They told me that they stay up an hour later now. My commute is now 45 min instead of 20. What a waste. Teachers on staff at my school think this is a joke. My kid got stuck at his elementary school for 30 minutes after dismissal so the "high school kids could get dropped off"... so there is transportation for ya. These parents who think their little angels will now be first block aces are silly. It's the same parents who get their kids found eligible for untimed SAT's by getting them an ADHD diagnosis in their senior year.

Make your kids go to bed an hour early. It starts and ends at home. Now the same parents who pushed for SLEEP can get into real time grade books via SIS and brow beat the teacher into changing grades, taking all late work, and doing assignments 10 times until they get the grade (and now the "SLEEP" time) that they want.

Teacher Wrote:
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> I am a high school teacher. The students know that
> SLEEP is a joke. They told me that they stay up an
> hour later now. My commute is now 45 min instead
> of 20. What a waste. Teachers on staff at my
> school think this is a joke. My kid got stuck at
> his elementary school for 30 minutes after
> dismissal so the "high school kids could get
> dropped off"... so there is transportation for ya.
> These parents who think their little angels will
> now be first block aces are silly. It's the same
> parents who get their kids found eligible for
> untimed SAT's by getting them an ADHD diagnosis in
> their senior year.
>
> Make your kids go to bed an hour early. It starts
> and ends at home. Now the same parents who pushed
> for SLEEP can get into real time grade books via
> SIS and brow beat the teacher into changing
> grades, taking all late work, and doing
> assignments 10 times until they get the grade (and
> now the "SLEEP" time) that they want.

You are not a teacher.

> My commute is now 45 min instead of 20

You wont have the problem.

Give them a true american breakfast!

tired of your whining Wrote:
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>
> The "biggest bunch
> of whiners" as you say actually knew the
> importance of teens sleeping later and kept at it
> until someone listened. Give it a year and then
> poll those kids who grades suffered in prior
> years.

Load of crap.

This wasn't an abstract battle between those who understood the importance of teenagers getting more sleep and those who did not. It was instead a battle between people pushing for high school times to start an hour later and those who understood the significant negative impact that later high school attendance hours would have, both on high school students and on others in the school system.

If it had simply been a matter of LISTENING, SLEEP would not have won, at least in its current form. The opposition to the initial proposal had far greater support than those who favored the proposed changes. Those support levels didn't change after the proposal was withdrawn. What did change was that SLEEP supporters, who were already more united and more organized than the opposition, played a role in who got on the current School Board.

Given the number of other things that have changed in high schools over the past couple of years, it will be very difficult to say whether SLEEP has much of an impact. I have no doubt though that over time we will get use to some of the logistic challenges that the later start times impose.

The entire first week went great.

Kids were happy. Buses were on time. I was happy and arrived early for work.

Congratulations to Ms Garza and Ms Bulova for your forward thinking plans.

Looks like other school systems around the country are again looking toward Fairfax County as a model for school success.

I hope this change will be fully funded, or taxes suitably raised, to ensure it persists.

Happy Parent Wrote:
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> The entire first week went great.
>
> Kids were happy. Buses were on time. I was happy
> and arrived early for work.
>
> Congratulations to Ms Garza and Ms Bulova for your
> forward thinking plans.
>
> Looks like other school systems around the country
> are again looking toward Fairfax County as a model
> for school success.
>
> I hope this change will be fully funded, or taxes
> suitably raised, to ensure it persists.

Bullshit.

Everyone I know IRL is very happy with the new times. Buses have been on time and this really is helpful to get a little more time in the morning. The trolling here indicates most of the users at ffxu are not parents and most likely shut-ins 25-25 years of age with the smattering of grumpy older folk.

nNUL7 Wrote:
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> Everyone I know IRL is very happy with the new
> times. Buses have been on time and this really is
> helpful to get a little more time in the morning.
> The trolling here indicates most of the users at
> ffxu are not parents and most likely shut-ins
> 25-25 years of age with the smattering of grumpy
> older folk.

Everyone I know is against the new times. So my anecdote beats yours.

You must not know many people then nNUL7.

In just the first week I've heard a number of opinions ranging from the three high school kids asking for contributions who said "Good" "Great" and "Yeah" to two parents who complain that even with the later start time they have had to drive their kids to school because they overslept.,, and I don't have a kid in FCPS anymore. If there is any trolling going on, I suspect it is from you.

Quality Watcher Wrote:
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> nNUL7 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Everyone I know IRL is very happy with the new
> > times. Buses have been on time and this really
> is
> > helpful to get a little more time in the
> morning.
> > The trolling here indicates most of the users
> at
> > ffxu are not parents and most likely shut-ins
> > 25-25 years of age with the smattering of
> grumpy
> > older folk.
>
> Everyone I know is against the new times. So my
> anecdote beats yours.

I have not heard anyone speak positively about the change; except for nNUL7.

Happy Parent Wrote:
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> The entire first week went great.
>
> Kids were happy. Buses were on time. I was happy
> and arrived early for work.
>
> Congratulations to Ms Garza and Ms Bulova for your
> forward thinking plans.
>
> Looks like other school systems around the country
> are again looking toward Fairfax County as a model
> for school success.
>
> I hope this change will be fully funded, or taxes
> suitably raised, to ensure it persists.

I was informed first-hand from a HS student that “none of the students like the time change”. A teacher in one class asked for a show of hands as to who liked the time change, no one raised their hand for “liking it"

Bill.N. Wrote:
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> tired of your whining Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > The "biggest bunch
> > of whiners" as you say actually knew the
> > importance of teens sleeping later and kept at
> it
> > until someone listened. Give it a year and then
> > poll those kids who grades suffered in prior
> > years.
>
> Load of crap.
>
> This wasn't an abstract battle between those who
> understood the importance of teenagers getting
> more sleep and those who did not. It was instead
> a battle between people pushing for high school
> times to start an hour later and those who
> understood the significant negative impact that
> later high school attendance hours would have,
> both on high school students and on others in the
> school system.
>
> If it had simply been a matter of LISTENING, SLEEP
> would not have won, at least in its current form.
> The opposition to the initial proposal had far
> greater support than those who favored the
> proposed changes. Those support levels didn't
> change after the proposal was withdrawn. What did
> change was that SLEEP supporters, who were already
> more united and more organized than the
> opposition, played a role in who got on the
> current School Board.
>
> Given the number of other things that have changed
> in high schools over the past couple of years, it
> will be very difficult to say whether SLEEP has
> much of an impact. I have no doubt though that
> over time we will get use to some of the logistic
> challenges that the later start times impose.


Nothing makes me more mad than the School Board conducting a “listening tour” and then not listening. Except for spending money on changes the public (parents) did not want and then crying poor and asking for donations. Something far worse than being voted out seems appropriate - tar and feathers, perhaps? Maybe a public shaming would suffice.

signed, Royally pissed-off

Tiger_Kisser Wrote:
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> The problem is that there is not good highway
> infrastructure here and the road design is
> terrible. I have never seen a place with so many
> lane mergers (it's unbelievable). Also, toll roads
> don't work when will this place ever learn.
> Houston tried this 20 years ago and the conclusion
> was they don't work. They used the hov lanes to
> expand the highway system. Everytime there is a
> proposal to build an extra lane or highway it
> always gets resistance from the general public.
> Funny how people complain about the traffic, but
> don't do anything about it.
> The state saying should go from "Virginia is for
> Lovers" to "Virgnia is for Lovers of Traffic."

How about everyone that moved here in the last 15 years LEAVE. We don't want it to look like Newark here with every square inch of land either pavement or tract housing. Don't complain about our inadequate infrastructure. The only inability here is the inability of all these transplants to find work where they came from. Northern VA was a wonderful place 20 years ago. It is becoming a dumping ground for NY/NJ/northeast losers.

causeican Wrote:
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> Nothing makes me more mad than the School Board
> conducting a “listening tour” and then not
> listening.

Remember that a "listening tour" isn't about listening to what affected parties think. It is about selling a decision that has largely already been made.

So here is a honest opinion on the change in HS start times.

Overall for my family it is most good. BUT, we are a walk to the local high school so traffic has never been a problem for my kids.

But the 50 minute later start time for our school only equates to at the most about 25 minutes savings at the most for the majority of kids taking the bus or driving.

Also the teachers are not as interested in coming in early as they are now dealing with far more traffic and not want to leave after 3:30 pm as this puts them in the afternoon rush hour.

So one teacher lives in Loudoun county and used to leave about 5:45 am, they have found the 50 minute late start only gives them 10 minutes more in the morning because of the later traffic.

Although my kids also are involve in after school sports and other activities, this means they are now getting home later. So I am not so sure even in our case this is a win in any way??

Luckily it is only a few more years and we will be done with all the non-sense anyway.

Just take at look at what this young way above the 98th percentile UK Rhodes Scholar has for breakfast. A sleepy hungry kid cant keep their minds on school work.

Lazy parents shove em off with a Pop Tart..
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Bill.N. Wrote:
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> causeican Wrote:
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> > Nothing makes me more mad than the School Board
> > conducting a “listening tour” and then not
> > listening.
>
> Remember that a "listening tour" isn't about
> listening to what affected parties think. It is
> about selling a decision that has largely already
> been made.

I'll remember. Those... Those... Car salesmen! Errr!!

What I want to know is: who got the kickback? Who? Who? Who?

>not want to leave after 3:30 pm as this puts them in the afternoon rush hour.

Lazy Sacks! Tough Shit!

Only idiots would think waking 12 yr. olds up at Night to go to school is a good idea.

I graduated WTW in 2009, went to middle school at the crack of dawn. It taught me responsibility and how to be a grown adult. Today people are so concerned about every minute detail that we miss actually working on important things . I remember the school lunches from "energy zone" I was a growing boy, with a big stomach . They served 4 nuggets and a small bin of frys and a milk. I found myself buying 4-6 lunches to even fill my hunger . But ultimately I gave up to skip and go get real food across the street. Why don't we just make a list of complaints and address every single one of them so the parents will shut up . Nothing is ever perfect and the system was designed to be efficact and cost saving before . The country is broke but we have millions to poor into bringing kids too school 10 mins later . Stupid america

Alumni Wrote:
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> I graduated WTW in 2009, went to middle school at
> the crack of dawn. It taught me responsibility and
> how to be a grown adult. Today people are so
> concerned about every minute detail that we miss
> actually working on important things . I remember
> the school lunches from "energy zone" I was a
> growing boy, with a big stomach . They served 4
> nuggets and a small bin of frys and a milk. I
> found myself buying 4-6 lunches to even fill my
> hunger . But ultimately I gave up to skip and go
> get real food across the street. Why don't we
> just make a list of complaints and address every
> single one of them so the parents will shut up .
> Nothing is ever perfect and the system was
> designed to be efficact and cost saving before .
> The country is broke but we have millions to poor
> into bringing kids too school 10 mins later .
> Stupid america

...sorry we were too late for you son...

Our elementary buses have been late every day. One of my kids doesn't leave the building until almost 4:30 every day. We start so late that they are burned out by 3:00, and that is when the principal decided the primary kids should have language arts. I can't get the kids to learn to read when they are so tired and worn out. Most of them are at day care by 7:30, so when they get to class at 9:10 they have already put in an hour or more of time cooperating. This is a disaster for the elementary kids. I do not understand why the little kids can't go earlier, and the older kids later.

LBSS Parent Wrote:
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> I'm a LBSS parent and after years of the old
> schedule I was not optimistic. However, I must
> say that so far so good. Bus arrived on time and
> no hardship on the kid for the afternoon.
> But...if my kid was in sports (as my last graduate
> was in football) than I can't speak on how that
> would impact the kids.



What difference does it make if you are the parent of a LGBT teen? I bet they made sure your stop was on time so you wouldn't taken personally. Does your kid get their own bathroom?????

No issues so far and despite the news freaking out leading up to the change, traffic has not been the shit show that everyone was worried about.

The later school has been a boon for parents who want to be there when their young kids come home. I've seen a lot more parents wait at the bus stop now that it's after 4 pm for elementary.

Elementary times were not changed. So why are the kids being met now and not before? Unless they are running later because of the backlog of HS busses.

JImBone Wrote:
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> What difference does it make if you are the parent
> of a LGBT teen? I bet they made sure your stop
> was on time so you wouldn't taken personally.
> Does your kid get their own bathroom?????

Where did you get LGBT from JImBone? Lake Braddock Secondary School.

You are banned from the internet for the rest of the day JImBone!

TBT Wrote:
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> Elementary times were not changed. So why are the
> kids being met now and not before? Unless they are
> running later because of the backlog of HS busses.


Yeah they were, but supposedly not more than 15 minutes. My kid's school opens and dismisses 15 minutes later this year.

But I don't see how that slight change greatly increases how many people can now meet their kids in the afternoon.

The take away so far is that FCPS is still experiencing problems from the new bell schedule, but the sky hasn't fallen.

@TBT-Bell schedules for elementary schools were shifted this year. The elementary in our neighborhood is starting 10-15 minutes later than last year. There are also elementary schools that let out after 3:30 and some that let out at 4:00.

Middle school time sucks.

Yes, elementary times were changed. My kid has been getting home between 5 and 5:30 every night (4:15 at the latest last year). The school admits it's a mess, and apparently they are trying to get changes made.

So no, it's not working out just fine.

My high school student told me he does feel more alert in the first class of the day, but he doesn't appreciate loosing an hour of homework time in the evening. He's the type of kid who doesn't stay up all hours of the night doing HW/texting friends/watching porn, etc. -- so the hour later start doesn't really help him.

We got a robocall from the school yesterday saying the buses were going to start coming five minutes earlier because they were having trouble getting to the school on time.

Why didn't they do this experiment in just one HS pyramid and see what happened instead of having everyone get in line with the bright idea of having the buses out in the increased rush hours traffic both morning and evening.

I was really hoping this was going to go into effect for the 2016-17 school year and we could have missed it!

blanche Wrote:
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> My high school student told me he does feel more
> alert in the first class of the day, but he
> doesn't appreciate loosing an hour of homework
> time in the evening. He's the type of kid who
> doesn't stay up all hours of the night doing
> HW/texting friends/watching porn, etc. -- so the
> hour later start doesn't really help him.
>
> We got a robocall from the school yesterday saying
> the buses were going to start coming five minutes
> earlier because they were having trouble getting
> to the school on time.
>
> Why didn't they do this experiment in just one HS
> pyramid and see what happened instead of having
> everyone get in line with the bright idea of
> having the buses out in the increased rush hours
> traffic both morning and evening.
>
> I was really hoping this was going to go into
> effect for the 2016-17 school year and we could
> have missed it!

My guess is that there are some high schools where it is not as much of a problem. Also, some neighborhoods which do not have a problem. They should have run this several times in all areas. However, that would have discouraged the change that they had already decided to approve. I don't have a middle schooler, but the idea of one being home alone for several hours in the afternoon every day is troubling. I think the best schedule was the former one. There was a reason it was set up that way.

bus on time every day for my middle schoolers - to the minute.

to the minute. Wrote:
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> bus on time every day for my middle schoolers - to
> the minute.


Well, of course. Middle schools are the first bell this year. Barring a breakdown or an AWOL driver, first bell buses should always be on time. Heck, even traffic is rarely an issue at that hour.

The problems are with the second and third bells. The runs are so tightly scheduled that any little thing can make a bus late to the first stop on second runs. Then it can cascade into the third run. Once you're late there's usually no way to make up for it.

Heaven forbid that a driver has to pee, there's definitely no time to go into a school and pee. This must be especially hard on the pregnant drivers or those with their own young kids riding with them. 3.5 or 4 hours is a long time to go without a potty break.

No kick back. McLaughlin gets to say she was right and got her way. Hopefully on her way OFF the school,board in November.

Traffic is wonderful. Kids doing wonderful. Go to work you whiners.

Last night received a message from FCPS transportation that the bus in our neighborhood will be coming 15 min. earlier for Oakton HS. It's been late to Oakton every day. No way can it get from Franklin MS to our neighborhood. Did they not look at the cluster that is route 50 eastbound in the morning?

Teacher Wrote:
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> I am a high school teacher. The students know that
> SLEEP is a joke. They told me that they stay up an
> hour later now. My commute is now 45 min instead
> of 20. What a waste. Teachers on staff at my
> school think this is a joke. My kid got stuck at
> his elementary school for 30 minutes after
> dismissal so the "high school kids could get
> dropped off"... so there is transportation for ya.
> These parents who think their little angels will
> now be first block aces are silly. It's the same
> parents who get their kids found eligible for
> untimed SAT's by getting them an ADHD diagnosis in
> their senior year.
>
> Make your kids go to bed an hour early. It starts
> and ends at home. Now the same parents who pushed
> for SLEEP can get into real time grade books via
> SIS and brow beat the teacher into changing
> grades, taking all late work, and doing
> assignments 10 times until they get the grade (and
> now the "SLEEP" time) that they want.

I agree 100%. Meghan McLaughlin is the force behind SLEEP and her cronies got her letter to the school board. Her interest lies solely with making life cushy for her own kids, who will all soon be out of FCPS schools. She needs to go come November. She has also broken campaign laws and sees herself as the voice of reason against meniacal teachers. No teacher is to be trusted. We all want to make school too hard and keep them out of top schools. She doesn't care whether they can stay in college or are prepare. She just wants to brag that her kids got INTO UVA. Check the stats on the number of kids who actually graduate from the schools in 4 years. You will see what I mean. They aren't prepared to do the work of a college student. We are mollycoddled these kids and doing them and society no favors.

Not MY Kid! Wrote:
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> Teacher Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I am a high school teacher. The students know
> that
> > SLEEP is a joke. They told me that they stay up
> an
> > hour later now. My commute is now 45 min
> instead
> > of 20. What a waste. Teachers on staff at my
> > school think this is a joke. My kid got stuck
> at
> > his elementary school for 30 minutes after
> > dismissal so the "high school kids could get
> > dropped off"... so there is transportation for
> ya.
> > These parents who think their little angels
> will
> > now be first block aces are silly. It's the
> same
> > parents who get their kids found eligible for
> > untimed SAT's by getting them an ADHD diagnosis
> in
> > their senior year.
> >
> > Make your kids go to bed an hour early. It
> starts
> > and ends at home. Now the same parents who
> pushed
> > for SLEEP can get into real time grade books
> via
> > SIS and brow beat the teacher into changing
> > grades, taking all late work, and doing
> > assignments 10 times until they get the grade
> (and
> > now the "SLEEP" time) that they want.
>
> I agree 100%. Meghan McLaughlin is the force
> behind SLEEP and her cronies got her letter to the
> school board. Her interest lies solely with
> making life cushy for her own kids, who will all
> soon be out of FCPS schools. She needs to go come
> November. She has also broken campaign laws and
> sees herself as the voice of reason against
> meniacal teachers. No teacher is to be trusted.
> We all want to make school too hard and keep them
> out of top schools. She doesn't care whether they
> can stay in college or are prepare. She just
> wants to brag that her kids got INTO UVA. Check
> the stats on the number of kids who actually
> graduate from the schools in 4 years. You will
> see what I mean. They aren't prepared to do the
> work of a college student. We are mollycoddled
> these kids and doing them and society no favors.

And you wake up at what hour? I get up at 525 am and the kids at 6 am. My 12 year old and I walk to the bus at 630 and most people are still at home most with the lights off. Adults dont wake up at 530-6 in general so why should the youngest of us have to?

Oh and before you start your 'I wake up at 1 am because Im a Republican and need to go to work to pay for Welfare babies' - dont. We dont believe you.

Welfare babies' Wrote:
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> And you wake up at what hour? I get up at 525 am
> and the kids at 6 am. My 12 year old and I walk
> to the bus at 630 and most people are still at
> home most with the lights off. Adults dont wake
> up at 530-6 in general so why should the youngest
> of us have to?
>
> Oh and before you start your 'I wake up at 1 am
> because Im a Republican and need to go to work to
> pay for Welfare babies' - dont. We dont believe
> you.

This was the kind of BS that I used to run into from more uninformed SLEEP advocates. If you seriously believe adults being up and out the door today before 6:30 is unusual, you haven't been paying much attention to what is going on around here. I suspect if it were not for the need to get kids off to school before leaving for work, the number would be even higher.

Your claim that your 12 year old needed currently needs to be at the bus stop at 6:30 is doubtful, but it does make for a nice story. If you meant PRIOR TO THIS YEAR, then your kid probably went to one of the handful of middle schools that started early under the old bell schedule. Under the new bell schedule most middle school kids have to be at their bus stops EARLIER than under the old bell schedule. In other words your kids are getting to sleep in later because other kids the same age as yours are now having to get up EARLIER. You don't get to claim the moral high ground for this.

Another interesting development I have heard this week is that some high school students are being told they need to be at their bus stops earlier starting in the next week or two, because of problems with late arriving busses.

Have any middle schools announced changes to their bus pickup times?

Sandy Evans has now achieved her goal: they have messed up start times for almost all the kids in FCPS.

Had the high school students really benefited and received an extra hour of sleep--but no one would listen to those who told them differently.

Now, some kids are leaving at the same time as last year--maybe five minutes later--and, for what?

Middle school kids are now at the bus stop at dark and home alone in the afternoons for far too long. High school kids who don't live very near their schools are NOT getting the extra sleep promised and the elementary schedules are a mess in many schools.

Thanks, Sandy.

Pee Wee Herman Wrote:
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> Venkat R Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Working out great for me. I have one extra
> hour
> > to masturbate and my parents aren't home.
>
> Close the thread, we have a winner.

"we have a wiener."

Well if you're schools actually taught, then we wouldn't have to come down here and do the jobs for you.

nWj93 Wrote:
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> Tiger_Kisser Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The problem is that there is not good highway
> > infrastructure here and the road design is
> > terrible. I have never seen a place with so
> many
> > lane mergers (it's unbelievable). Also, toll
> roads
> > don't work when will this place ever learn.
> > Houston tried this 20 years ago and the
> conclusion
> > was they don't work. They used the hov lanes to
> > expand the highway system. Everytime there is a
> > proposal to build an extra lane or highway it
> > always gets resistance from the general public.
> > Funny how people complain about the traffic,
> but
> > don't do anything about it.
> > The state saying should go from "Virginia is
> for
> > Lovers" to "Virgnia is for Lovers of Traffic."
>
> How about everyone that moved here in the last 15
> years LEAVE. We don't want it to look like
> Newark here with every square inch of land either
> pavement or tract housing. Don't complain about
> our inadequate infrastructure. The only inability
> here is the inability of all these transplants to
> find work where they came from. Northern VA was a
> wonderful place 20 years ago. It is becoming a
> dumping ground for NY/NJ/northeast losers.


Well if you're schools actually taught, then we wouldn't have to come down here and do the jobs for you.

teacha Wrote:
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> Well if you're schools actually taught, then we
> wouldn't have to come down here and do the jobs
> for you.


Shouldn't that be YOUR? Guess schools are not that good where you come from either.

Not MY Kid! Wrote:
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> Teacher Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I am a high school teacher. The students know
> that
> > SLEEP is a joke. They told me that they stay up
> an
> > hour later now. My commute is now 45 min
> instead
> > of 20. What a waste. Teachers on staff at my
> > school think this is a joke. My kid got stuck
> at
> > his elementary school for 30 minutes after
> > dismissal so the "high school kids could get
> > dropped off"... so there is transportation for
> ya.
> > These parents who think their little angels
> will
> > now be first block aces are silly. It's the
> same
> > parents who get their kids found eligible for
> > untimed SAT's by getting them an ADHD diagnosis
> in
> > their senior year.
> >
> > Make your kids go to bed an hour early. It
> starts
> > and ends at home. Now the same parents who
> pushed
> > for SLEEP can get into real time grade books
> via
> > SIS and brow beat the teacher into changing
> > grades, taking all late work, and doing
> > assignments 10 times until they get the grade
> (and
> > now the "SLEEP" time) that they want.
>
> I agree 100%. Meghan McLaughlin is the force
> behind SLEEP and her cronies got her letter to the
> school board. Her interest lies solely with
> making life cushy for her own kids, who will all
> soon be out of FCPS schools. She needs to go come
> November. She has also broken campaign laws and
> sees herself as the voice of reason against
> meniacal teachers. No teacher is to be trusted.
> We all want to make school too hard and keep them
> out of top schools. She doesn't care whether they
> can stay in college or are prepare. She just
> wants to brag that her kids got INTO UVA. Check
> the stats on the number of kids who actually
> graduate from the schools in 4 years. You will
> see what I mean. They aren't prepared to do the
> work of a college student. We are mollycoddled
> these kids and doing them and society no favors.


Not a teacher! Lies!

My understanding is that many Middle school kids are being dropped off Early - 30 prior to the bell so that the buses can be on time for the HS runs. Bummer that to let HS students sleep more some middle school kids are being bused to school 30 min early.

Has to be fixed.

mFXkP Wrote:
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> My understanding is that many Middle school kids
> are being dropped off Early - 30 prior to the bell
> so that the buses can be on time for the HS runs.
> Bummer that to let HS students sleep more some
> middle school kids are being bused to school 30
> min early.
>
> Has to be fixed.

Hey the Middle School kids will have something to look forward to Freshman year, sleeping a bit later!

Bill.N. Wrote:
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> Another interesting development I have heard this
> week is that some high school students are being
> told they need to be at their bus stops earlier
> starting in the next week or two, because of
> problems with late arriving busses.
>
> Have any middle schools announced changes to their
> bus pickup times?

Yup, just got the email. Middle school buses will now pick up 5 min earlier.

My 12-year-old is leaving the house at 6:35 a.m., and my 9-year-old is still getting home well after 5 p.m. Fucking asinine policies!

cMW4Y Wrote:
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> mFXkP Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > My understanding is that many Middle school
> kids
> > are being dropped off Early - 30 prior to the
> bell
> > so that the buses can be on time for the HS
> runs.
> > Bummer that to let HS students sleep more some
> > middle school kids are being bused to school 30
> > min early.
> >
> > Has to be fixed.
>
> Hey the Middle School kids will have something to
> look forward to Freshman year, sleeping a bit
> later!


No excuse for this. Poor planning and quite predictable. And, many of the high school kids are NOT getting more sleep and spending twice as much time on the bus.

people bitched about it being too early, people bitched about it being too late...just cut out the tongues of the people who bitch.

tired of your whining Wrote:
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> As I said in another post, it has nothing to do
> with extra sleep but giving the teenage brain the
> time it needs to become alert enough to process
> and learn. Stop whining and deal with the change.
> And, I am not a soccer mom or a helicopter mom or
> whatever else you want to call me.

Middle schooler's turn 13 usually in the middle of 7th grade or so. Some even in 6th grade, given the rampant red-shirting done by the same people bitching about sleeping later. What happened to them? Guess they are just fucked.

When are everyone going to figure out that more sleep is not the point of later start times?

The point is to create a transportation system that can no longer work in the current HS boundary/traffic system, thus generating the need for a significant, system-wide redistricting which will serve to brown-up a lot of HS's. That's the point of later start times - expect it to be announced around January 1. FCPS will do everything they can to suppress any discussion of transportation problems between now and the Board election, but shortly after the election you will see stories saying "We gave it a quarter to work itself out, but we're going to have to do something about the transportation problems caused by later start times."

Disgusted Wrote:
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> Bill.N. Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Another interesting development I have heard
> this
> > week is that some high school students are
> being
> > told they need to be at their bus stops earlier
> > starting in the next week or two, because of
> > problems with late arriving busses.
> >
> > Have any middle schools announced changes to
> their
> > bus pickup times?
>
> Yup, just got the email. Middle school buses will
> now pick up 5 min earlier.
>
> My 12-year-old is leaving the house at 6:35 a.m.,
> and my 9-year-old is still getting home well after
> 5 p.m. Fucking asinine policies!


Re the middle school buses this is not true for my kids at Frost. They are not moving stop times earlier for us as the kids already get to school ~20 min early. Frost is asking that students not be bused to the school before 7am. If buses do arrive before 7 they must wait to release the kids at 7. Not gonna have kids wondering the halls for half hour first thing so the HS routes can be earlier...

hG9w4 Wrote:
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> Disgusted Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Bill.N. Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Another interesting development I have heard
> > this
> > > week is that some high school students are
> > being
> > > told they need to be at their bus stops
> earlier
> > > starting in the next week or two, because of
> > > problems with late arriving busses.
> > >
> > > Have any middle schools announced changes to
> > their
> > > bus pickup times?
> >
> > Yup, just got the email. Middle school buses
> will
> > now pick up 5 min earlier.
> >
> > My 12-year-old is leaving the house at 6:35
> a.m.,
> > and my 9-year-old is still getting home well
> after
> > 5 p.m. Fucking asinine policies!
>
>
> Re the middle school buses this is not true for my
> kids at Frost. They are not moving stop times
> earlier for us as the kids already get to school
> ~20 min early. Frost is asking that students not
> be bused to the school before 7am. If buses do
> arrive before 7 they must wait to release the kids
> at 7. Not gonna have kids wondering the halls for
> half hour first thing so the HS routes can be
> earlier.

In Great Falls our middle/hs pickup times flipped. It's 30 minutes earlier for MS and 30 minutes later for HS. Not really much of a difference. It used to be the MS bus was prone to be late given distances/traffic - now it's the HS bus with those problems.

I'm sure it's better for some, but I really don't see much difference.

hG9w4 Wrote:
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> Disgusted Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Bill.N. Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Another interesting development I have heard
> > this
> > > week is that some high school students are
> > being
> > > told they need to be at their bus stops
> earlier
> > > starting in the next week or two, because of
> > > problems with late arriving busses.
> > >
> > > Have any middle schools announced changes to
> > their
> > > bus pickup times?
> >
> > Yup, just got the email. Middle school buses
> will
> > now pick up 5 min earlier.
> >
> > My 12-year-old is leaving the house at 6:35
> a.m.,
> > and my 9-year-old is still getting home well
> after
> > 5 p.m. Fucking asinine policies!
>
>
> Re the middle school buses this is not true for my
> kids at Frost. They are not moving stop times
> earlier for us as the kids already get to school
> ~20 min early. Frost is asking that students not
> be bused to the school before 7am. If buses do
> arrive before 7 they must wait to release the kids
> at 7. Not gonna have kids wondering the halls for
> half hour first thing so the HS routes can be
> earlier...


It may not be true for your kids at Frost, but it's true for my kids at Frost. Five minutes earlier starting tomorrow.

Please take your complaints to Meghan Toohey's complaint department. Once your format complaint has been lodged, and she recognizes you as a mean FFU poster, she will bitch slap you and then kick you down a flight of stairs. Toohey isn't going to take any more of your crap anymore.

All "pockets of excellence" must be eliminated.


Not the point Wrote:
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> When are everyone going to figure out that more
> sleep is not the point of later start times?
>
> The point is to create a transportation system
> that can no longer work in the current HS
> boundary/traffic system, thus generating the need
> for a significant, system-wide redistricting which
> will serve to brown-up a lot of HS's. That's the
> point of later start times - expect it to be
> announced around January 1. FCPS will do
> everything they can to suppress any discussion of
> transportation problems between now and the Board
> election, but shortly after the election you will
> see stories saying "We gave it a quarter to work
> itself out, but we're going to have to do
> something about the transportation problems caused
> by later start times."

grammar is good Wrote:
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> teacha Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Well if you're schools actually taught, then we
> > wouldn't have to come down here and do the jobs
> > for you.
>
>
> Shouldn't that be YOUR? Guess schools are not
> that good where you come from either.

Cool YOUR jets. We've all made that mistake, when writing fast.

mFXkP Wrote:
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> My understanding is that many Middle school kids
> are being dropped off Early - 30 prior to the bell
> so that the buses can be on time for the HS runs.
> Bummer that to let HS students sleep more some
> middle school kids are being bused to school 30
> min early.
>
> Has to be fixed.


Yup. Students at my school arrive at 7:00 for a 7:30 start time. We were told today that we can no longer warehouse them in the cafeteria because of safety and supervision reasons, so instead they will be released to roam the halls for a half hour. (Because that's safer and more supervised -- ha!)

couple of weeks in and working very well.

kids get an extra 45 mins. Traffic impact is nothing.

Very Good IDea Fairfax

inside info Wrote:
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> Yup. Students at my school arrive at 8:00 for a
> 8:30 start time. We were told today that we can no
> longer warehouse them in the cafeteria because of
> safety and supervision reasons, so instead they
> will be released to roam the halls for a half
> hour. (Because that's safer and more supervised --
> ha!)


reread your post and tell me what I changed, then tell me how it makes a fucking difference

you could even use 9:00 and 9:30 if you like dumbfuck

inside info idiot Wrote:
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> inside info Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > Yup. Students at my school arrive at 8:00 for a
> > 8:30 start time. We were told today that we can
> no
> > longer warehouse them in the cafeteria because
> of
> > safety and supervision reasons, so instead they
> > will be released to roam the halls for a half
> > hour. (Because that's safer and more supervised
> --
> > ha!)
>
>
> reread your post and tell me what I changed, then
> tell me how it makes a fucking difference
>
> you could even use 9:00 and 9:30 if you like
> dumbfuck

Talk about "preaching to the choir”. Why don’t YOU re-read the post - this time slowly - and see if you get it the second time around. Afterwards, go stick your head in the sand because you’re stupid.

inside info idiot Wrote:
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> inside info Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > Yup. Students at my school arrive at 8:00 for a
> > 8:30 start time. We were told today that we can
> no
> > longer warehouse them in the cafeteria because
> of
> > safety and supervision reasons, so instead they
> > will be released to roam the halls for a half
> > hour. (Because that's safer and more supervised
> --
> > ha!)
>
>
> reread your post and tell me what I changed, then
> tell me how it makes a fucking difference
>
> you could even use 9:00 and 9:30 if you like
> dumbfuck

The difference is that we are wasting a half hour of people's lives at 7'o clock in the morning for no reason. The difference is that FCPS advertised a 7:30 start time for middle school, but in fact, it's a 7:00 start time for students who ride buses and teachers who have to supervise them.

Your point makes absolutely no sense to me except that you are really good at calculating half hour time increments and cursing at people -- second grade skills from the ghetto.