Anyone have any additional information on this subject?

A neighbor of mine pulled his kid from Poplar Tree (not the only one) Elementary School because it now has too many ESL students and it has always been a magnet for "special needs children". So many challenges were going on in the class room that his daughter received no attention (education). Our PC world doesn't work and know one wants to admit it.

He noted that if you did not "Home School" after school, your child really was left behind!

A relative of mine works at Poplar Tree Elementary. Let me get in touch with him and see what he candidly feels about this. If/when I hear back, I'll update.

Immigration rates skyrocket, and you want no ESL kids in schools?

HAHA

I seem to recall a discussion about this before. I looked it up and it turns out that this time last year people were commenting about Poplar Tree going Hispanic and everybody who lived in Poplar Tree was in denial...


http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read.php?2,6433,6841#msg-6841

Having been through Greenbriar and Poplar Tree in the past six months, it is obvious there is an illegal immigrant beach-head in the area.

However, I think it is stupid to pull your kids out of the school as it will only create room for more illegal immigrants to move in. I would keep my kids in and fight to have classes beyond ESL. Otherwise you will end up living in West Virginia and you'll still have the same problem eventually.

I bet you most of those kids are legal in the country.

Dude Wrote:
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> I bet you most of those kids are legal in the
> country.


100,000 non-English speaking Hispanics suddenly show up in the past five years and to nothing but day labor work. Don't think so.

Its pretty hard to get into Fairfax County PS System.
Legal proff of residency, ie green card, ss#, would be required.

Its one thing for illegals to work at a day job.
its another thing for them to bring kids here.

ok... so if you have a kid old enough to be in school and they are legal, it means they were born here before they revised the immigration bit so that you cant have an "anchor baby". so if they did this, the kid is legit yet an abomination of the legal system.

just thought i would clear that up.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."

There are a lot of way to stay here and become legal.
Its only a matter of time.

Even if you came here illegaly, there are ways to stay here and be completely legal.

Just heard back from my relative who works at Poplar Tree Elementary. He said that:

- The school has about a 10% ESOL (aka ESL) population
- Compared to other areas (inside and outside of FCPS) that number is rather low
- Special-needs students are a program unto themselves - it is self-contained and won't take resources/attention away from non-special-need (read: normal) students
- If you're in a position to truly be concerned about how Poplar Tree Elementary is doing, it's probably because you have a child attending school there. If that's the case, wait until the SOL test results are certified. Rumor is that Poplar Tree students did quite well...

On a side-note, and this is from me, not my relative, if the average student in the school is doing fine, but your kid isn't, maybe the problem isn't the teachers... Carlos Mencia once said - about parents whose excuse for their child poor grades is "It's the teachers! The teachers are stupid!" - that "If the teachers really were stupid, wouldn't it be that much f___in' easier to get good grades?!"

So not to slam anyone's kids, but parents who complain about NCLB when their kids would be faaarrrr behind without it, need to think twice about biting the hand that's feeding them.

If anything, kids who DON'T need NCLB are the one's getting hurt by it. What if a cheeta came running at a pack of gazelle operating on the "No Gazelle Left Behind" principle? Would the whole pack be saved? Hell no! The whole pack would be dinner! NCLB was a stupid thing to pass - some kids just need to be left behind. Either they're a little "dee dee deeee" or they're lazy, and it's not the school system's job to carry them the whole way.

"home schooling" is the answer? come on. maladjusted kids is all that produces.

SOL...haha I remember when they first introduced that test.
Everyone failed it LOL

Dude Wrote:
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> Its pretty hard to get into Fairfax County PS
> System.
> Legal proff of residency, ie green card, ss#,
> would be required.


Bullshit. My uncle works for a school system in Nevada and all too often that school system accepts utility bills with a last name on it as "proof of residence" (so one person legally owning a home can have 15 family members and kids living there).

The SS# is complete bullshit too. I vividly recall him telling me that he had to fill out the paperwork to let some kid enroll in the school system, and when he asked the lady for her child's SS# she proceeded to say:

"7, 7, 2, G, M, Q....."

Letters? Fucking LETTERS in a SS#? My uncle knew right away this person wasn't legal and they were trying to illegally get their kid into the school system. He picked up the phone and called a supervisor to ask him what to do. What was he told?

"Write down what they give you and let the kid in."

That's bullshit. Such bullshit.

are you comparing Nevada to Fairfax? LOL

why dont you compare Honduras to Boston.

plus, most of immigrant kids outperform local ones.
hehe

http://www.purple-twinkie.com/Amazing_Racist/Amazing-Racist-MexicanOranges.asp

Dude Wrote:
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> are you comparing Nevada to Fairfax? LOL
>
> why dont you compare Honduras to Boston.


I'm just sharing something a family member of mine experienced directly. Apparently proof of residence and SS# don't do dick when we thought it would.

oh well.

what should we do?

Dude Wrote:
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> Its pretty hard to get into Fairfax County PS
> System.
> Legal proff of residency, ie green card, ss#,
> would be required.
>
> Its one thing for illegals to work at a day job.
> its another thing for them to bring kids here.


It's against the law to deny a kid access to a school, whether he is legal or not. Residency is one thing, but they don't need to present a green card, etc. You're full of shit.

um hmm

legal residency is green card ;-)

its funny how naive people here about immigration.

Here are the rules for enrollment- http://www.fcps.edu/about/attend.htm

However I wonder how easy it is to fake these documents or get around them.

I bet a lot of illegals know somebody who can counterfeit documents and stuff for them.

http://la.indymedia.org/uploads/2006/03/resident_alien.jpg

You cannot deny illegal immigrants access to public schools...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plyler_v._Doe

Requiring a SS# does that (note, the SS# is "requested" in the Fairfax policies). Truth be told, a good ACLU lawyer could f-up Fairfax County's day over these policies if Fairfax really tried to keep illegal immigrants out of school.

I can see illegal immigrants going over and getting a lawyer.
They will be deported before they get shit done.

Does this mean ICE cannot deport them b/c that would deny them access to FCPS? I know they dont, they're too busy confiscating my shipment of bootleg Weekend at Bernie's DVDs, you know, important work for those poor, suffering movie studios.

hehe who cares?
Immigration is here, and you cant stop it.
If they want to go to schools - they will.

wait till your kid goes to high school, its alot worse there.

its worse everywhere

get over it

Get into TJ, only latinos there are the ones mowing the lawn.

yeah
TJ - there is a sample.

we have latinos everywhere in this area.
Government, service industry, healthcare.

legal or illegal.

I don't think a school system is allowed to demand an SS# for anyone.

Also, how do they verify it to be sure it's correct?

Did anybody see that article in the Post the other day....about a planeload of illegals being flown back (deported) to El Salvador?

It said that while less than 1% are deported, the ones that are have been arrested for crimes committed in this country. Most of them for getting drunk and raising hell. Fighting, etc.

So, I propose that the next time we're at 7-11....let's buy the guys out front a six pack!

You mean buy the cops a six-pack? Those are the only people who hang out in front of the 2 7-11's in my area.

Let me rephrase that.....if any of you are ever at the 7-11 at Hummer Rd & Rt 236....buy the illegal aliens out front a six pack of beer so that maybe they will get drunk, fight, get arrested, and get deported!

Daniel Wrote:
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> - The school has about a 10% ESOL (aka ESL)
> population

A kid may not be in ESOL programs but may still speak another language fluently (and be hispanic or whatever other race) and hang out with ESOL kids, thereby looking like an ESOL kid

> - Compared to other areas (inside and outside of
> FCPS) that number is rather low.

I don't know about outside FCPS, but inside, see above.


> - Special-needs students are a program unto
> themselves - it is self-contained and won't take
> resources/attention away from non-special-need
> (read: normal) students

Bullshit. While working in an FCPS school during a school day, I have seen on numerous occasions, special needs students making some sort of scene, taking both resources and attention away from the other students. For example: A SN student goes screaming down a classroom hallway. The SN teacher chases after the kids while all classrooms have instructional time interrupted as they either look out the door to see, stop instruction due to screaming, or go out into hallway to assist in stopping kid.

Sorry if you think I am being rude towards SN kids.


> On a side-note, and this is from me, not my
> relative, if the average student in the school is
> doing fine, but your kid isn't, maybe the problem
> isn't the teachers... Carlos Mencia once said -
> about parents whose excuse for their child poor
> grades is "It's the teachers! The teachers are
> stupid!" - that "If the teachers really were
> stupid, wouldn't it be that much f___in' easier to
> get good grades?!"

Nah, the teacher could be so stupid that they either put in the wrong grade (either by mistake or purposfully because they want to get back at a kid) or the don't teach material and then give a test on it. The kids fail the test and get bad grades because of the teacher, who correctly recorded the test grades.

School is on time