Athletic Revenue By School/Season FY 2015! I am not sure where that money goes too
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Guarantee 90% of that comes from FOOTBALL!

At best, 62% is from football.

footballobserver Wrote:
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> Guarantee 90% of that comes from FOOTBALL!


More then 95% for the FALL IS FOOTBALLL

There's quite a range of those numbers-are we SURE football is paying for itself?

let's see Wrote:
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> There's quite a range of those numbers-are we SURE
> football is paying for itself?


Even if it doesn't it's a hell of a lot closer than anything else in the budget.

Does anyone know how the booster passes are calculated in? Are these numbers just gate receipts?

How does a small school like Woodson pull in more than Robinson and Oakton?

Captain Reason Wrote:
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> let's see Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > There's quite a range of those numbers-are we
> SURE
> > football is paying for itself?
>
>
> Even if it doesn't it's a hell of a lot closer
> than anything else in the budget.


Sorry. Accuracy is needed here. If football is not paying for itself, as all the football fans claim, it needs to be cut or the gate fees raised.

County residents who don't give a crap about football should no longer be expected to subsidize it.

Just-wondering Wrote:
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> Does anyone know how the booster passes are
> calculated in? Are these numbers just gate
> receipts?

There was a thread on that.


http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/2/1671475/page-1.html

The County does not subsidize football, the boosters do.

The only expenditures from the DSA budget for each school is for coaches and transportaion to away games. Football is not paid any more money for coaches than the dance team.

On average, fund raisers and other booster contributions raise approximately $70,000 per school to fund the football program to pay for equipment, uniforms, assistant coach stipends, etc.

Ex Football Coach Wrote:
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> The County does not subsidize football, the
> boosters do.
>
> The only expenditures from the DSA budget for each
> school is for coaches and transportaion to away
> games. Football is not paid any more money for
> coaches than the dance team.
>
> On average, fund raisers and other booster
> contributions raise approximately $70,000 per
> school to fund the football program to pay for
> equipment, uniforms, assistant coach stipends,
> etc.

You're saying not one cent of tax money goes to football? We all know better than that.

The TRUTH is Needed Wrote:
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> Sorry. Accuracy is needed here. If football is not
> paying for itself, as all the football fans claim,
> it needs to be cut or the gate fees raised.
>
> County residents who don't give a crap about
> football should no longer be expected to subsidize
> it.

Not gonna happen. That's not how things work in the real world.
What about the dozens of stupid "after-school-clubs" every school in the county operates? None of them generate any revenue and our tax dollars are paying for them.

Ex Football Coach Wrote:
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> The County does not subsidize football, the
> boosters do.
>
> The only expenditures from the DSA budget for each
> school is for coaches and transportaion to away
> games. Football is not paid any more money for
> coaches than the dance team.
>
> On average, fund raisers and other booster
> contributions raise approximately $70,000 per
> school to fund the football program to pay for
> equipment, uniforms, assistant coach stipends,
> etc.

http://www.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/9XZG9942ADBC/$file/N4650%202015-16.pdf



The dance team coach doesn't get a supplemental salary. The cheerleading coach gets about what an assistant football coach gets. How many assistant football coaches are there?

Seriously.

The claim has been made over and over and over that FCPS does not pay for football. If this is not true, football needs to be cut.

^^^^ This person is retarded. Geometry classes don't pay for themselves, so I guess we need to cut that. Oh, wait, buses don't pay for themselves either...toss in performing arts, lunches at the elementary and middle school levels, etc.

No one ever said geometry paid for itself. The pro-football contingent has, however, said TIME AND TIME AGAIN that football pays for itself. If you make a claim, be prepared to back it up.

This claim has not been substantiated. Oops. Yes, football is popular, but don't expect the rest of us (who could give a crap about it) to keep subsidizing it, especially when the schools are going to hell.

"This person is retarded. Geometry classes don't pay for themselves, so I guess we need to cut that. Oh, wait, buses don't pay for themselves either...toss in performing arts, lunches at the elementary and middle school levels, etc."


You do understand that Geometry is REQUIRED for ALL students in order to graduate from high school (by state of VA regulation), right? You do understand that transportation is a state (if not federal) mandate, right? You do understand that lunches are federally subsidized because human beings need to eat, right?

I suppose that leaves football and performing arts. But students can get their fine arts credit fulfilled through performing arts.

Football? Hmmmmm. Don't think it's a requirement for high schools.

weird comparison Wrote:
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> "This person is retarded. Geometry classes don't
> pay for themselves, so I guess we need to cut
> that. Oh, wait, buses don't pay for themselves
> either...toss in performing arts, lunches at the
> elementary and middle school levels, etc."
>
>
> You do understand that Geometry is REQUIRED for
> ALL students in order to graduate from high school
> (by state of VA regulation), right? You do
> understand that transportation is a state (if not
> federal) mandate, right? You do understand that
> lunches are federally subsidized because human
> beings need to eat, right?
>
> I suppose that leaves football and performing
> arts. But students can get their fine arts credit
> fulfilled through performing arts.
>
> Football? Hmmmmm. Don't think it's a
> requirement for high schools.

+1

I suspect OP, who probably works at Best Buy, liked football and hated geometry. OP probably fails, to this day, to understand the value of geometry, but enjoyed the games, tolerance for football and of course sex with cheerleaders.

I guess I should be grateful football isn't required.

i say football today!
You all lose!
hehe
I'll check back in a year each day football starts to laugh.

bye.

see you next August!

wink

educated me and tell me when I used geometry in my life? FOOTBALLL IS LIFE

Actually, football pays for itself and many other sports, via gate receipts and more importantly, concessions. Further, the away team gets half of the gate receipts for any game. So when a big program like Westfield, Centreville,etc goes to a smaller school, they benefit.

This is a stupid thread; if anyone thinks football is draining the school budget, they don't what they are talking about.

geometry// Wrote:
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> educated me and tell me when I used geometry in my
> life? FOOTBALLL IS LIFE

If you have ever worked out how much lumber, cement, etc. to buy, you used geometry.

Geometry is an ancient science and one of the reasons we have civilization.

How long has football been around? What has it contributed to society? Don't forget that football has given us Jerry Sandusky, Joe Paterno and George Allen.

If football is your life, I feel sorry for you.

My son learned more from football than he did from geometry (and I am not suggesting we get rid of geometry).

He learned teamwork, how to handle frustration, how to get along with others who are not like you, how to handle disappointment, patience, and resiliency. The last is the most important. He was not a star and played less than a lot of others, but more than some.

He is an adult. He uses what he learned in football every day. I am not sure how often he uses geometry.

sports sports Wrote:
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> My son learned more from football than he did from
> geometry (and I am not suggesting we get rid of
> geometry).
>
> He learned teamwork, how to handle frustration,
> how to get along with others who are not like you,
> how to handle disappointment, patience, and
> resiliency. The last is the most important. He
> was not a star and played less than a lot of
> others, but more than some.
>
> He is an adult. He uses what he learned in
> football every day. I am not sure how often he
> uses geometry.

What if you had a daughter or a child with a disability that prevented them from playing football?

Football is exclusionary and fosters a climate of elitism.

It is also frighteningly expensive. FCPS no longer has the funds to pay for it.

These are realities. Face them.

What if you had a daughter or a child with a disability that prevented them from playing football?

Football is exclusionary and fosters a climate of elitism.

It is also frighteningly expensive. FCPS no longer has the funds to pay for it.

These are realities. Face them.

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Sorry, poor argument. Alot of things are exclusionary, not just football. I am sure there are good lessons in field hockey, but my son can't play. Also, there is alot to be learned from Honors Courses, but some children simply don't have the capacity to learn at that level. Doesn't mean its wrong, just that it is not for everyone. And as far as elitism goes, there is alot of educational elitism out there and that is no better, if not worse. Bottom line, schools in Fairfax County have alot to offer to EVERYONE.

this person is brilliant Wrote:
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> Don't forget that football
> has given us Jerry Sandusky, Joe Paterno and
> George Allen.


And look what math has given us:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2524734/Staff-school-paedophile-teacher-Jeremy-Forrest-worked-failed-blow-whistle-instinctively-supported-colleague.html

http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2015/06/05/alameda-teacher-suspended-after-alleged-sex-toy-selfie-assignment/

http://crimeblog.dallasnews.com/2015/04/math-teacher-at-north-mesquite-high-charged-with-sexual-assault-of-a-child.html/

http://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/lake-forest/crime/ct-lfr-lake-forest-teacher-tl-0806-20150803-story.html

That was easy...

Some People are SO Stupid Wrote:
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> No one ever said geometry paid for itself. The
> pro-football contingent has, however, said TIME
> AND TIME AGAIN that football pays for itself. If
> you make a claim, be prepared to back it up.
>
> This claim has not been substantiated. Oops. Yes,
> football is popular, but don't expect the rest of
> us (who could give a crap about it) to keep
> subsidizing it, especially when the schools are
> going to hell.

All right dumb ass, you have posted on a half dozen different threads claiming that football doesn't pay for itself. You provide no proof of your claim but demand proof from those that say it does.
I don't have exact figures but will attempt to make an educated guess, using conservative estimates.

Expenses:
Head Coach: $ 7,040
Asst. Coaches: $ 36,946 (stipend is $5278, I think football gets 7 stipends?)
Buses: $ 5,000 (5 games at $1000 a game, has to be high?)
Officials: $ 2,500 (5 games, 5 officials per game at $100 each)
Lights: $ 1,000 (5 games, $200 per game, has to be high?)
Annual Equip: $ 25,000 (high sided average based on my experience)
Field Maint: $ 20,000 (from FCPS report on turf fields)
Total: $ 97,500

Income:
Gate: $ 48,500 (used average for all schools assuming 90% is football, probably more like 99%)
Fund Raising $ 60,000 (low side, coached at schools that raised $100k)
Total: $108,500

Using high side estimates for expenses and low side estimates for revenue I get a surplus of about $11,000. I suspect the surplus is more, I did not prorate field maintenance; Band, Field Hockey, B/G Soccer and B/G Lacrosse all use the football field making football's share 1/7 of the total. Additionally the youth leagues pay to play on those fields when not in use by the HS, again no idea how much this is but strongly suspect it’s enough to pay the entire annual maintenance bill. Finally, I did not include concessions but that’s probably at least another $10k. This all makes the surplus more like $41K!

Finally, as pointed out elsewhere, athletes get better grades (on average), have few discipline problems (on average) and learn life skills that are no longer taught anywhere other than in sports.

Will you now please STFU!

OldCoach Wrote:
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> Some People are SO Stupid Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > No one ever said geometry paid for itself. The
> > pro-football contingent has, however, said TIME
> > AND TIME AGAIN that football pays for itself.
> If
> > you make a claim, be prepared to back it up.
> >
> > This claim has not been substantiated. Oops.
> Yes,
> > football is popular, but don't expect the rest
> of
> > us (who could give a crap about it) to keep
> > subsidizing it, especially when the schools are
> > going to hell.
>
> All right dumb ass, you have posted on a half
> dozen different threads claiming that football
> doesn't pay for itself. You provide no proof of
> your claim but demand proof from those that say it
> does.
> I don't have exact figures but will attempt to
> make an educated guess, using conservative
> estimates.
>
> Expenses:
> Head Coach: $ 7,040
> Asst. Coaches: $ 36,946 (stipend is $5278, I think
> football gets 7 stipends?)
> Buses: $ 5,000 (5 games at $1000 a game, has to be
> high?)
> Officials: $ 2,500 (5 games, 5 officials per game
> at $100 each)
> Lights: $ 1,000 (5 games, $200 per game, has to be
> high?)
> Annual Equip: $ 25,000 (high sided average based
> on my experience)
> Field Maint: $ 20,000 (from FCPS report on turf
> fields)
> Total: $ 97,500
>
> Income:
> Gate: $ 48,500 (used average for all schools
> assuming 90% is football, probably more like 99%)
> Fund Raising $ 60,000 (low side, coached at
> schools that raised $100k)
> Total: $108,500
>
> Using high side estimates for expenses and low
> side estimates for revenue I get a surplus of
> about $11,000. I suspect the surplus is more, I
> did not prorate field maintenance; Band, Field
> Hockey, B/G Soccer and B/G Lacrosse all use the
> football field making football's share 1/7 of the
> total. Additionally the youth leagues pay to play
> on those fields when not in use by the HS, again
> no idea how much this is but strongly suspect
> it’s enough to pay the entire annual maintenance
> bill. Finally, I did not include concessions but
> that’s probably at least another $10k. This all
> makes the surplus more like $41K!
>
> Finally, as pointed out elsewhere, athletes get
> better grades (on average), have few discipline
> problems (on average) and learn life skills that
> are no longer taught anywhere other than in
> sports.
>
> Will you now please STFU!

You have way underestimated... from what I know boosters and fund-raising pay for most if not all equipment at a lot of schools. I don't know who gets what from concessions but it is closer to $100K than $10K at many schools.

J4D6E Wrote:
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> OldCoach Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Some People are SO Stupid Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > No one ever said geometry paid for itself.
> The
> > > pro-football contingent has, however, said
> TIME
> > > AND TIME AGAIN that football pays for itself.
> > If
> > > you make a claim, be prepared to back it up.
> > >
> > > This claim has not been substantiated. Oops.
> > Yes,
> > > football is popular, but don't expect the
> rest
> > of
> > > us (who could give a crap about it) to keep
> > > subsidizing it, especially when the schools
> are
> > > going to hell.
> >
> > All right dumb ass, you have posted on a half
> > dozen different threads claiming that football
> > doesn't pay for itself. You provide no proof of
> > your claim but demand proof from those that say
> it
> > does.
> > I don't have exact figures but will attempt to
> > make an educated guess, using conservative
> > estimates.
> >
> > Expenses:
> > Head Coach: $ 7,040
> > Asst. Coaches: $ 36,946 (stipend is $5278, I
> think
> > football gets 7 stipends?)
> > Buses: $ 5,000 (5 games at $1000 a game, has to
> be
> > high?)
> > Officials: $ 2,500 (5 games, 5 officials per
> game
> > at $100 each)
> > Lights: $ 1,000 (5 games, $200 per game, has to
> be
> > high?)
> > Annual Equip: $ 25,000 (high sided average
> based
> > on my experience)
> > Field Maint: $ 20,000 (from FCPS report on
> turf
> > fields)
> > Total: $ 97,500
> >
> > Income:
> > Gate: $ 48,500 (used average for all schools
> > assuming 90% is football, probably more like
> 99%)
> > Fund Raising $ 60,000 (low side, coached at
> > schools that raised $100k)
> > Total: $108,500
> >
> > Using high side estimates for expenses and low
> > side estimates for revenue I get a surplus of
> > about $11,000. I suspect the surplus is more,
> I
> > did not prorate field maintenance; Band, Field
> > Hockey, B/G Soccer and B/G Lacrosse all use the
> > football field making football's share 1/7 of
> the
> > total. Additionally the youth leagues pay to
> play
> > on those fields when not in use by the HS,
> again
> > no idea how much this is but strongly suspect
> > it’s enough to pay the entire annual
> maintenance
> > bill. Finally, I did not include concessions
> but
> > that’s probably at least another $10k. This
> all
> > makes the surplus more like $41K!
> >
> > Finally, as pointed out elsewhere, athletes get
> > better grades (on average), have few discipline
> > problems (on average) and learn life skills
> that
> > are no longer taught anywhere other than in
> > sports.
> >
> > Will you now please STFU!
>
> You have way underestimated... from what I know
> boosters and fund-raising pay for most if not all
> equipment at a lot of schools. I don't know who
> gets what from concessions but it is closer to
> $100K than $10K at many schools.


Concessions is big money at our school (I know as I am involved very directly)and run by the Boosters. The money is spread around to all Sports/Activities. Money is available to every sport, they need to be organized and ask for it. My experience has been that Football is always the most organized about asking for support; they do their homework, justification, etc. Many coaches ask why they dont get support and the simple answer is they dont ask for it or put the work in to request it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steubenville_High_School_rape_case

1) Football players rape

2) School tries to cover it up

3) Hackers intervene for victim

4) Football fail (not surprising)

This could happen here. Let's make sure it doesn't.

Go ahead and cut football and watch the drop out rates skyrocket. There are lots of schools where the only reasons kids stay in school at all is so that they are able to play sports. The stipends referenced are not per assistant. Each team gets a certain amount and the coach can divide between their assistants as they deem appropriate. If you break down the even the full stipend by how much time is actually spent mentoring and coaching these kids I guarantee you it works out to less then minimum wage.

Letter of the Law Wrote:
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> The claim has been made over and over and over
> that FCPS does not pay for football. If this is
> not true, football needs to be cut.


FCPS pays for football and all the other sports. Where do you think the salaries come from? Taxes.