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> I will do some investigating, but I would be a bit
> surprised if 40 percent of college students failed
> their courses.
Chronicle of Higher Education for this one. It's not avaliable to the public online, but you can go to Mason, Marymount, GW, American or Georgetown's library and get it there. Keep in mind you are looking for introductory gen ed requirement classes. Also, if you're usign a bell curve, mathematically at least 30% of your students are goign to fall in the F/D category. Granted, at a different university than I'm at, a D might be a passing grade.
> If that were so, not many kids would be graduating
> in 4 years.
You're way out of the loop on this one. Unless they're at Harvard, Yale, or Stanford, less than half graduate in 4 years. It goes down to less than 50% for UVA or JMU. Then when you get run of the mill garden variety state schools, you're looking at 20-30% graduating in 4. This has been happening since the mid 90's.
http://www.act.org/news/releases/2009/4-10-09.html
Not the best source, and I don't know if it's not completely free from bias, but it's close enough for limited time, and it's not the Marlboro Institute coming up with cancer statistics
> As far as holding you accountable for kids showing
> up to class-that is silly. If a kid wants to go
> to college that is their choice. Eventually mom
> and dad will stop footing the bill for Johnny to
> party and not go to class.
>
> What does trouble me is the kids in their
> neighborhood school who are stuck with a lousy
> education. Unmotivated teachers, incompetent
> administrators, whatever the reason, taxpayers
> deserve better. FCPS principals are paid quite
> well-$120k per year-we have every right to demand
> that they do their job well.
Is every teacher unmotivated? Is every administrator incompetent? Is it the vast majority of each, or is it even, or are they the visual minority? If the unmotivated teachers are the majority, why are they unmotivated? What turns eager 24 year old fresh faced teachers full of engergy and vigor into chain smoking, Mrs. Krebapple's (Bart's teacher from the simpsons) who sip bootleg hooch while showing another filmstrip?
> The state created standardized tests (SOL, MSPAP,
> etc) and they should be a reflection of what our
> kids are expected to learn in the classroom. If
> half the kids are failing these tests-then
> something is wrong. Attendance in school is
> mandatory-180 days a year. It is inexcusable that
> half are not being taught the basics.
>
If 50% or more are failing a test, (when attendence and participation is mandatory, rather than my case where they just don't show up) then the test or testing method is flawed. No matter who's driving the car, if it runs into a wall 50% of the time, you go back to the drawing board. Perhaps the SOL tests aren't well written, or are poorly designed. Keep in mind, the tests are made up by the same administrators you call incompetant. So you expect them to come up with a proper exam? I have never seen a SOL exam, so I'm generalizing here, but it assumes that all students are equal, and all learn at teh same pace and same material. They are not, which is why you have LD, Regular, GT/AP (Or IB) classes. And they all are expected to absorb the same amount of material in the same amount of time and take the same exam.
>
> It would be so refreshing-just ONCE for an
> educator to come on these message boards and take
> ownership for all the failures in our education
> system.
That's probably because it's not just the educators who are to blame here. You're trying to make it out that it is completely the fault of FCPS for the students failings. I get students from all over the mid-atlantic region, and very few of them are prepared for college. I'm an educator (of sorts), and there are many reasons for this. Yes, some of the teachers are burned out and ineffective. Some of the students are discipline problems who are going to fail no matter what. Some have parents who are blind to their kids issues, and refuse to believe what several teachers and guidance counselors are telling them. Or even worse, that their kids are completely normal, average and the same as 50% of humanity, rather than well on his or her way to being the first astronaut surgeon to win a gold medal in gymnastics while figuring out cold fusion.
My experience over the past 12 years has been that the students I have in my classes do not do well with independent work, give up easily when given a difficult task, and expect at least a B+ just for showing up.
> Just ONE. Michelle Rhee has. Joel Klein has.
> Margaret Spellings got it. We WILL break the
> unions if we don't they will destroy public
> education-just like the GM and Ford folks did.
You do realize that Virginia is a right to work state, and the unions here have absolutlely no power at all? The teacher's union in New York are what you're describing, here they are non-existant. The closest they have ever come to any sort of bargaining power/protection is when Fairfax Education Association instituted the "Work to the Rule" movement back in 1999, which had them working only the hours that were stipulated in their contract, rather than staying extra to help students who needed the extra work. It kind of fell apart, since many teachers felt guilty about abandoning students who really wanted some help.
Most teachers join the national union for the legal protection that they provide when a parent sues them for not teaching their child properly.
You said you were going to do some research on this. I'd hope that you do it properly, and look at all the angles, instead of just focusing on one side of the issues.