§ 46.2-835. Right turn on steady red light after stopping.

Notwithstanding the provisions of § 46.2-833, except where a traffic control device is placed prohibiting turns on steady red, vehicular traffic facing a steady red circular signal, after coming to a full stop, may cautiously enter the intersection and make a right turn.

Notwithstanding the provisions of § 46.2-833, except where a traffic control device is placed permitting turns on a steady red, vehicular traffic facing a steady red arrow, after coming to a full stop, shall remain standing until a signal to proceed is shown.

Such turning traffic shall yield the right-of-way to pedestrians lawfully within an adjacent crosswalk and to other traffic using the intersection.



Tired of getting honked at by somebody two cars back for stopping when the intersection is NOT clear. What's wrong with people around here? Damn well tempted to just sit there til it turns green!

I think you can get a ticket for not moving if the way is clear, so just sitting might be a bad idea...not to mention the response of the road-ragers!

Try living near an intersection that has a NO TURN ON RED sign, and getting honked at regularly while waiting at that light. Makes you want to kill people. NO TURN ON RED means no turn on red, and there is plenty of signage.

On the flip side of the coin, you can also make a left turn on red if you are turning onto a one-way street. Few people know this, so they just sit at the light. It would be nice if there were signs that said "Left on red permitted."

Never saw that before until I visited Denver. Looked it up when I got back to Va and found it is legal here too. I guess it's just that with few one-way streets in FFX, you don't see it very often.

Got my kid driving us to church (on his learner's) on Sunday morning and some old lady's laying on her horn because he actually came to a complete stop and LOOKED before turning right from 123 to Lee Chapel at the light.
Wanted to key the old bat when she pulled into the parking lot right behind us!

Bojangles Wrote:
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> I think you can get a ticket for not moving if the
> way is clear, so just sitting might be a bad
> idea...not to mention the response of the
> road-ragers!


You are not required to turn right on red. The law says you MAY turn right on red when it is safe to do so, unless otherwise prohibited. _I_ decide when/if it is safe to do so, not some stupid motherfucker in a four wheeler.

Metrobuses even have a sign on the back that says THIS VEHICLE DOES NOT TURN ON RED.

I drive a truck that is slow off the line and I won't turn right on red unless I have a LOT of room.

Road-ragers have three choices:

Sit until I have a big enough break in traffic

Get out and come to my truck and get there face smashed

Drive up on the sidewalk and go around

Better Call Saul Wrote:
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> On the flip side of the coin, you can also make a
> left turn on red if you are turning onto a one-way
> street. Few people know this, so they just sit at
> the light. It would be nice if there were signs
> that said "Left on red permitted."

Almost correct. Left on red is permitted in VA when turning from a one-way onto another one way.

§ 46.2-836. Left turn on steady red after stopping.
Notwithstanding the provisions of § 46.2-833, except where a traffic control device is placed prohibiting turns on steady red, vehicular traffic facing a steady red circular signal on a one-way highway, after coming to a full stop, may cautiously enter the intersection and make a left turn onto another one-way highway.

Thanks, wrongo...that's good to know. With all the runners and cyclists out this time of year, I'd rather be sure it's safe than have to deal with disaster.

Wish some of these jerks would just get up 5 minutes earlier than make everybody else miserable laying on their horns.

Better Call Saul Wrote:
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> On the flip side of the coin, you can also make a
> left turn on red if you are turning onto a one-way
> street. Few people know this, so they just sit at
> the light. It would be nice if there were signs
> that said "Left on red permitted."

+1 Best tip of the week.

CullTheHerd Wrote:
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> Try living near an intersection that has a NO TURN
> ON RED sign, and getting honked at regularly while
> waiting at that light. Makes you want to kill
> people. NO TURN ON RED means no turn on red, and
> there is plenty of signage.


I've seen the NO TURN ON RED(when pedestrians are present) signs but never saw a sign that just said NO TURN ON RED.

Best Tip Wrote:
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> Better Call Saul Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > On the flip side of the coin, you can also make
> a
> > left turn on red if you are turning onto a
> one-way
> > street. Few people know this, so they just sit
> at
> > the light. It would be nice if there were signs
> > that said "Left on red permitted."
>
> +1 Best tip of the week.

Only if you add Adam Twelve's tip about "from a one-way onto another one-way" otherwise, you might get creased!

uuXY6 Wrote:
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> CullTheHerd Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Try living near an intersection that has a NO
> TURN
> > ON RED sign, and getting honked at regularly
> while
> > waiting at that light. Makes you want to kill
> > people. NO TURN ON RED means no turn on red,
> and
> > there is plenty of signage.
>
>
> I've seen the NO TURN ON RED(when pedestrians are
> present) signs but never saw a sign that just said
> NO TURN ON RED.

Actually, there are quite a few that just say "no turn on red" on Fairfax BLVD for example. The problem with the "except when pedestrians are present" is that the definition of "present" isn't really settled. One of the highway safety organization recommends against using those for that reason. I was relieved when they redid the ramp to the Francolnia Springfield Metro and got rid of the one they had there.

In those towns where there are red light cameras, if I need to make a right on red, I WAIT until the light is green. I don't care if it's 10 PM and nobody is in crossing traffic, I will not go.

F- the red light cameras

...in the 22039 Wrote:
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> In those towns where there are red light cameras,
> if I need to make a right on red, I WAIT until the
> light is green. I don't care if it's 10 PM and
> nobody is in crossing traffic, I will not go.
>
> F- the red light cameras

WTOP had an interesting (albeit DC/MD) story on this

http://wtop.com/ticketbuster/2014/01/wtop-ticketbuster-right-turn-on-red-tickets-create-confusion/

wrongo Wrote:
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> Road-ragers have three choices:
>
> Sit until I have a big enough break in traffic

Teehee. Obviously, since you get honked at so much, what constitutes a "big enough break" for you is not in-sync with society at large. You must just be one of those people who has a slower-than-average brain. The funny thing about people like you, though, is that you don't realize you're slow -- you think you're "normal". And no amount of evidence to the contrary -- such as getting honked at on a regular basis -- is enough for the lightbulb to go off to make you realize that you're a dunce. Ain't that something? :-)

Number of times I've been honked at while being first in line on a right-on-red turn: 0.0

> Get out and come to my truck and get there face
> smashed

LOL -- you're a "trucker"? That explains it! Truckers tend to be fairly dim-witted compared to the rest of society. That's why they drive trucks to and from their office jobs -- they're just dopey.

And I think you meant "their face", right? But don't fret it -- when you're stupid, you're stupid!

...in the 22039 Wrote:
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> In those towns where there are red light cameras,
> if I need to make a right on red, I WAIT until the
> light is green. I don't care if it's 10 PM and
> nobody is in crossing traffic, I will not go.

This isn't surprising, considering you're the idiot who drives around in snowstorms with your kids -- putting them in danger -- just to make fun of people who have skidded off the road.

At least you're consistent in your stupidity. :-)

This was a pretty useful discussion until Kilton climbed out of the basement. And he's calling other posters stupid? SMH

OP, I had the same thing happen to me 1 week ago, but it was a back up due to a red light. I stopped before the previous intersection to allow cars to turn there, as to not block it.

I heard a horn behind me honked incessantly as if it were an emergency.
I almost expected someone to go full throttle road rage on me ...
As the light turned green, I edged up and saw a middle-aged woman (driving an SUV) speed past me and speed down a residential street.

I looked up to make sure the sky wasn't falling.

Kilton Wrote:
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> ...in the 22039 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > In those towns where there are red light
> cameras,
> > if I need to make a right on red, I WAIT until
> the
> > light is green. I don't care if it's 10 PM and
> > nobody is in crossing traffic, I will not go.
>
> This isn't surprising, considering you're the
> idiot who drives around in snowstorms with your
> kids -- putting them in danger -- just to make fun
> of people who have skidded off the road.
>
> At least you're consistent in your stupidity. :-)

No Kilton, I am taking a more prudent approach with respect to protecting my wallet.

The folks who sleep under the false sense of security they claim red light cameras bring, are the ones to blame. Red light cameras do not increase safety, and near intersection collisions may actually increase in some cases.

Anyways, it's all for profit, and if you support red light cameras, you are part of the problem. But to be clear, I don't, and am exercising my right to be cautious.

Regarding the snow stories, are you stalking me now? I do go out when it snows, and don't seem to have any issues in my 4wd. It's a real truck though, and hasn't let me down yet.

Cameras Wrote:
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> ...in the 22039 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > In those towns where there are red light
> cameras,
> > if I need to make a right on red, I WAIT until
> the
> > light is green. I don't care if it's 10 PM and
> > nobody is in crossing traffic, I will not go.
> >
> > F- the red light cameras
>
> WTOP had an interesting (albeit DC/MD) story on
> this
>
> http://wtop.com/ticketbuster/2014/01/wtop-ticketbu
> ster-right-turn-on-red-tickets-create-confusion/


Interesting article and videos. Looks like all 3 made right on red w/out stopping.

As I mentioned, I STOP, and wait. When it's green, I will go. Especially in Washington DC where every other block has a camera it seems.

uuXY6 Wrote:
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> CullTheHerd Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Try living near an intersection that has a NO
> TURN
> > ON RED sign, and getting honked at regularly
> while
> > waiting at that light. Makes you want to kill
> > people. NO TURN ON RED means no turn on red,
> and
> > there is plenty of signage.
>
>
> I've seen the NO TURN ON RED(when pedestrians are
> present) signs but never saw a sign that just said
> NO TURN ON RED.

Congratulations, you are probably one of the ignorant dumbasses running the red light in my neighborhood, with the flimsy defense of Oh, I didn't see the sign!

The world would be a little bit better if people like you were not here.

uuXY6 Wrote:
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> CullTheHerd Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Try living near an intersection that has a NO
> TURN
> > ON RED sign, and getting honked at regularly
> while
> > waiting at that light. Makes you want to kill
> > people. NO TURN ON RED means no turn on red,
> and
> > there is plenty of signage.
>
>
> I've seen the NO TURN ON RED(when pedestrians are
> present) signs but never saw a sign that just said
> NO TURN ON RED.


How long have you been driving? A week? No turn on red signs exist. Pay attention to the road and you'll see them.

It's your car.

It's your insurance.

It's your ticket.

It's your money.

Grow a pair of balls for once.

...in the 22039 Wrote:
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> No Kilton, I am taking a more prudent approach
> with respect to protecting my wallet.

Translation: You're a puss. Got it!

Coming to a complete stop before making the right turn is enough to either a) avoid the camera nailing you, or, on the slim chance that it does mistakenly generate a ticket, b) get it thrown out.

But I guess you're right -- a 0.0001% chance of getting a ticket while making a (legal) right-on-red turn at a given intersection is a perfectly logical reason to never turn right-on-red at any intersection ever. Do you also hide in your basement every time a thunderstorm passes over, thinking to yourself "There might be a tornado, gotta take cover!!!"

Kilton Wrote:
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> ...in the 22039 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > No Kilton, I am taking a more prudent approach
> > with respect to protecting my wallet.
>
> Translation: You're a puss. Got it!
>
> Coming to a complete stop before making the right
> turn is enough to either a) avoid the camera
> nailing you, or, on the slim chance that it does
> mistakenly generate a ticket, b) get it thrown
> out.
>
> But I guess you're right -- a 0.0001% chance of
> getting a ticket while making a (legal)
> right-on-red turn at a given intersection is a
> perfectly logical reason to never turn
> right-on-red at any intersection ever. Do you also
> hide in your basement every time a thunderstorm
> passes over, thinking to yourself "There might be
> a tornado, gotta take cover!!!"


Kilton, you are speaking from both sides. You say I am a puss, then you say I am right. Hmm.

Regarding hiding in my basement when there is a storm, no, I do not. Remember, you said I was the reckless one, out there in my truck when it snows.
You sure do come across as weird. Anyways, I don't know you and you don't know me, so please don't suggest otherwise. Thanks.

CullTheHerd Wrote:
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> Try living near an intersection that has a NO TURN
> ON RED sign, and getting honked at regularly while
> waiting at that light. Makes you want to kill
> people. NO TURN ON RED means no turn on red, and
> there is plenty of signage.


You are probably one of the many non-right-turners who cannot read the small print in yellow that says “when pedestrians are present"

causeican Wrote:
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> CullTheHerd Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Try living near an intersection that has a NO
> TURN
> > ON RED sign, and getting honked at regularly
> while
> > waiting at that light. Makes you want to kill
> > people. NO TURN ON RED means no turn on red,
> and
> > there is plenty of signage.
>
>
> You are probably one of the many non-right-turners
> who cannot read the small print in yellow that
> says “when pedestrians are present"

Nope! There are 2 intersections near me that specify NO TURN ON RED - no pedestrian addendum whatsoever.

I can read very good.

CullTheHerd Wrote:
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> I can read very good.

But you can't write very well.

Where are these supposed road rages? NOVA only seems to have dipshits on phones going slow in the left lane.

jVwjp Wrote:
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> § 46.2-835. Right turn on steady red light after
> stopping.
>
> well tempted to just sit there til it turns green!

you can do that. in the 1980's when many were in a lot less of a rush, it was common to have an idiot in front not makign a right turn on red

you could honk allot but people in other lanes would roll down their window and tell you to shut up and wait

the point being: if the driver in front does not make a right on red, you should kindly give a honk or two, or wait out the green, not make a deal of it unless they fail to go on green, at which point you MUST ask them if they need auto assistance while going around them

go ahead and make them wait the fact is they should do so quietly. however - they might shoot - they're fucking niggers and mexicans - keep that in mind

throughout the 1980's, this is just after the still-rolling for gas 1970's, cops in fairfax county did not ticket for california stops

it was only in the the "me generation" 1995 era that they becan the "zero tolerance" crap

the people makign all the new laws are the same fucking assholes just older than me enought to have completely gone wild and made themselves "god managers of gov" before (people in my generation) could get in and tell them to fuck off / sue them

these same people were not subjected to the rules their making: and still aren't. because the assholes are high pay gov workers that don't hire: they ALWAYS have money to pay and often get out of paying using their thousands of special rules that ONLY APPLY to those who are informed of the rules by "government assistance offices"

rolling stops were legal in the 80's

insurance companies admitted they saved ALLOT of fuel but that accident data showed intersection accidents were loosely tied to rolling stops - and at any rate insurance companies made public service announcements to the effect that mindless rollign stops would cause accidents

speeding was not legal in the 1980's

and government workers are doing it like all fucking hell

it's still illegal

and the hypocracy has been on the news frequently.

until recently. recently - there is far more to worry about. 9 trillion in counterfeiting, exports falling imports rising, usa's borders totally opened by obama gov, gov buying imports "by law" on gov contracts, federal agencies with HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of moneys simply not explained on their accounting sheets - the illegitimacy is endless

but WTOP has become the voice of the wealthy. all they play is pro-wealthy news now

you wont hear stories about gov being caught in wrong-doing anymore

in the 1980's if you said to the judge...

they are traffic indicators and sometimes dont work. i checked and the way was safe both ways - and the cop can't say otherwise - it was late at night

you might get out of the ticket (in the 1980's) on the grounds you had broken no law
and acted safely

i know for a fact some did exactly that

---------------------------------
you have no idea what these mother fuckers doing to VA

they are traffic indicators. the driver in the end is responsible for reasonable and safe action, not a dumb automaton, nor formulaic pentalty

DID YOU KNOW that formulaic penalties are ILLEGAL at law ?

why is because formulas are often incorrect and RARELY applied correctly to the legal situation

i'm sorry formulaic arguments - are often not allowed

"the automaton shows a formula for when penalties will be issued" is a full of shit argument

"the man took the action of making an unsafe traffic move" is a reasonable argument. the formula of the light: secondary always

remember when fairfax county la bull-o-va gov hired mexicans to install road sensors for their grand "centralized system"

and if you pulled up to 1/2 of them they didn't work if your on a bike - or even some cars?

remember they are continually ripping up the sensors and re-installing them ?

ever wonder if they are not just fucking you over for money?

Yep, good catch. You must be traveling on a one-way street. It is rare to find this, but one example is the Fairfax County Parkway at 29 in that clusterf*ck of lights.

Better Call Saul Wrote:
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> Yep, good catch. You must be traveling on a
> one-way street. It is rare to find this, but one
> example is the Fairfax County Parkway at 29 in
> that clusterf*ck of lights.


^In response to Adam Twelve regarding left on red.

...in the 22039 Wrote:
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> Anyways, I don't know you and you don't know me, so
> please don't suggest otherwise. Thanks.

You're welcome, slapnuts. I'm just going by what you say here on FFU. It ain't complicated!

By your own admission in this thread, you're scared to (legally) turn right-on-red for fear of getting a ticket. That makes you a pusscake, which you surely cannot deny. :-)

Kilton Wrote:
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> ...in the 22039 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Anyways, I don't know you and you don't know me,
> so
> > please don't suggest otherwise. Thanks.
>
> You're welcome, slapnuts. I'm just going by what
> you say here on FFU. It ain't complicated!
>
> By your own admission in this thread, you're
> scared to (legally) turn right-on-red for fear of
> getting a ticket. That makes you a pusscake, which
> you surely cannot deny. :-)


Not scared. Please understand what is being said here. I will not turn right on red is a red light camera is in place at the intersection.
This is due to the camera systems, proven to have errors, and the opportunity to be falsely subject to civil fines. No thanks.

Again, not scared. Prudent, more like.

I hope this helps. I can draw a picture for you, if more data is needed.

jVwjp Wrote:
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> Tired of getting honked at by somebody two cars
> back for stopping when the intersection is NOT
> clear. What's wrong with people around here? Damn
> well tempted to just sit there til it turns green!

Life must be so hard for you. Tell us more about your struggle.

Okay, I'm here now, I'll settle this once and.for all. If you can legally turn after a full stop you have no excuse for impeding traffic and look like a completely useless sack of shit sitting there. People behind you thing you are a drain on society and should have never been born because you are of detriment to its efficiency.

Normal people can't comprehend how you come up to a light, see there is no traffic or pedestrians and not be able to complete your turn?

It doesn't make sense to sensible people and with good reason. Long story short, wtf is wrong with you? There is no justification.

The worst is the 1 paragraph signs. Like coming of 495, making a right on gallows rd.

I ain't got time to read all that shit. If flashing than stop, else, go, fuck that! Too high for this shit man!

Attachments:

Yeah, go ahead and blow your horn. It's fun to hold you up just for grins

Spite Wrote:
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> Yeah, go ahead and blow your horn. It's fun to
> hold you up just for grins

Really, have you so little power over your own life that you are driven to seek gratification in so pitiful a manner?

We will pray for you, Spite.

Tell us more about your struggle Wrote:
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> Spite Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Yeah, go ahead and blow your horn. It's fun to
> > hold you up just for grins
>
> Really, have you so little power over your own
> life that you are driven to seek gratification in
> so pitiful a manner?
>
> We will pray for you, Spite.

Yeah, it's a lot like you posting this same message all over the board. We'll all pray that you find a new post to repeat!

Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
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> Normal people can't comprehend how you come up to
> a light, see there is no traffic or pedestrians
> and not be able to complete your turn?
>
> It doesn't make sense to sensible people and with
> good reason. Long story short, wtf is wrong with
> you? There is no justification.

+1000

It's so adorable to watch this dope in 22039 try to debate it as if he's doing something intelligent by sitting there like a lug waiting for the light to turn green. He's the classic Grandma Driver, and he doesn't even realize it.

Kilton drives like a maniac in his Prius. Some day he is gonna cause a bad wreck.

Kilton Wrote:
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>
> It's so adorable to watch this dope in 22039 try
> to debate it as if he's doing something
> intelligent by sitting there like a lug waiting
> for the light to turn green. He's the classic
> Grandma Driver, and he doesn't even realize it.


Yep, you've figured me out completely. Or, in reality, not even close...

Can't wait to meet you at the next FFXU Meet. We'll see if my perception is reality. I'll look for the guy arguing with the signpost. Cheers.

fuck Disney Hawks Wrote:
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> Kilton drives like a maniac in his Prius. Some day
> he is gonna cause a bad wreck.


I saw a Prius tonight, wrecked into the back of an Escalade or Denali. Crazy vag-on-wheels drivers.

...in the 22039 Wrote:
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> Kilton Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> >
> > It's so adorable to watch this dope in 22039
> try
> > to debate it as if he's doing something
> > intelligent by sitting there like a lug waiting
> > for the light to turn green. He's the classic
> > Grandma Driver, and he doesn't even realize it.
>
>
> Yep, you've figured me out completely. Or, in
> reality, not even close...
>
> Can't wait to meet you at the next FFXU Meet.
> We'll see if my perception is reality. I'll look
> for the guy arguing with the signpost. Cheers.


When, and where?

...in the 22039 Wrote:
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> Kilton Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> >
> > It's so adorable to watch this dope in 22039
> try
> > to debate it as if he's doing something
> > intelligent by sitting there like a lug waiting
> > for the light to turn green. He's the classic
> > Grandma Driver, and he doesn't even realize it.
>
>
> Yep, you've figured me out completely. Or, in
> reality, not even close...

You proved his point, that you don't realize it.


> Can't wait to meet you at the next FFXU Meet.
> We'll see if my perception is reality. I'll look
> for the guy arguing with the signpost. Cheers.

Spite Wrote:
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> Yeah, go ahead and blow your horn. It's fun to
> hold you up just for grins


This.

Blow your horn when I can't turn or like an ass 1 millisecond after a light changes and you're sitting there through the next light. Bitch. lol

Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
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> Okay, I'm here now, I'll settle this once and.for
> all. If you can legally turn after a full stop you
> have no excuse for impeding traffic and look like
> a completely useless sack of shit sitting there.
> People behind you thing you are a drain on society
> and should have never been born because you are of
> detriment to its efficiency.
>
> Normal people can't comprehend how you come up to
> a light, see there is no traffic or pedestrians
> and not be able to complete your turn?
>
> It doesn't make sense to sensible people and with
> good reason. Long story short, wtf is wrong with
> you? There is no justification.


STFU