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I dont think so Uber
Posted by: 97X ()
Date: June 21, 2015 05:00PM

http://money.cnn.com/2015/06/21/technology/uber-policy-gun/index.html


Can they do this? I mean, if I'm driving my own car and have a permit in a state where CC is legal, how can they infringe upon my 2nd amendment right to bare arms?

Same for a passenger. How can they tell a law abiding citizen with a CC permit he cannot bring his gun into an Uber cab WHICH UBER DOES NOT OWN?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/21/2015 05:49PM by 97X.

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Re: I dont think so Uber
Posted by: SRRes ()
Date: June 21, 2015 05:07PM

I also heard that if wanded and cleared for the ride on the way to the airport, that one can skip the line in airport security?

I have to think that's fake. If it isn't, so much for TSA and DHS! We'll just let little green rideshare companies take care of it.

This sounds like a lawsuit a-borning.

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Re: I dont think so Uber
Posted by: No Way Jose ()
Date: June 21, 2015 05:27PM

97X Wrote:
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> http://money.cnn.com/2015/06/21/technology/uber-po
> licy-gun/index.html
>
>
> Can they do this? I mean, if I'm driving my own
> car and have a permit in a state where CC is
> legal, how can they infringe upon my 2nd amendment
> right to bare arms?
>
> Same for a passenger. How can they tell a law
> abiding citizen with a CC permit he cannot bring
> his gun into an Uber cab?


If you want to pick up a guy with a gun under his shirt that is your choice.

Good Luck -

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Re: I dont think so Uber
Posted by: 97X ()
Date: June 21, 2015 05:37PM

No Way Jose Wrote:
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> 97X Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> http://money.cnn.com/2015/06/21/technology/uber-po
>
> > licy-gun/index.html
> >
> >
> > Can they do this? I mean, if I'm driving my own
> > car and have a permit in a state where CC is
> > legal, how can they infringe upon my 2nd
> amendment
> > right to bare arms?
> >
> > Same for a passenger. How can they tell a law
> > abiding citizen with a CC permit he cannot
> bring
> > his gun into an Uber cab?
>
>
> If you want to pick up a guy with a gun under his
> shirt that is your choice.
>
> Good Luck -

So Uber having a rule against that will help? So I'm unarmed and he has a gun?

FUCK THAT!

"I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6"

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Re: I dont think so Uber
Posted by: Driver ()
Date: June 21, 2015 05:51PM

Key word to all this = concealed

I'd gladly take a firing by Uber on the day I ever felt the need to pull it.

The problem with driving in this area is that you never know where the shift is going to take you. Driving in VA is no problem, but you're going to be crossing borders into DC and MD mulitple times per shift.

As a passenger, fuck Uber. Until an uber car gets added to that list of restricted places that includes churches, courthouses, schools, etc., Uber can pound sand.

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Re: I dont think so Uber
Posted by: koop ()
Date: June 21, 2015 06:22PM

Uber maintains that their drivers are independent contractors, not employees. Yet they dictate everything their "contractor" does or doesn't do---down to the most minute detail. Just like a company would do with it's, umm, employees.

They better be careful, they're close to having courts in several places rule that Uber drivers ARE employees. Game over if that happens.

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Re: I dont think so Uber
Posted by: Fatal Gun Accidents ()
Date: June 21, 2015 06:51PM

Smart move by Uber. Keeps riders and cab drivers safe. Far to many people die from gun accidents. No need for Uber to get bad publicity are have a driver or passenger accidentally killed.

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Re: I dont think so Uber
Posted by: Gun Safely ()
Date: June 21, 2015 07:28PM

First of all, if a passenger or driver gets shot in an uber, it was no accident.

Also, the fine residents of SE DC love Uber since a single cab hasn't willingly crossed over the Anacostia into their turf in the past 50 years. And since concealed carry is practically banned in DC and MD, drivers can work SE and PGC without fear.

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Re: I dont think so Uber
Posted by: May God consume them with fire ()
Date: June 21, 2015 07:32PM

Guns are against my religion. It's a violation of my free association and free exercise rights to keep me from kicking these disgusting bullet-heathen out of my car.

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Re: I dont think so Uber
Posted by: their right ()
Date: June 21, 2015 08:00PM

Uber has every right to do this; companies can restrict first amendment rights when applicable, so no surprise about the 2nd amendment

Is it a good idea? Who knows? Seems like every carjacker and crook just got a wink from Uber that all their drivers will be unarmed... :/

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Re: I dont think so Uber
Posted by: their right :/ ()
Date: June 21, 2015 08:04PM

Uber has every right to do this; companies can restrict first amendment rights when applicable, so no surprise about the 2nd amendment

Is it a good idea? Who knows? Seems like every carjacker and crook just got a wink from Uber that all their drivers will be unarmed... :/

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Re: I dont think so Uber
Posted by: OP is a tard ()
Date: June 21, 2015 08:27PM

97X Wrote:
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> http://money.cnn.com/2015/06/21/technology/uber-po
> licy-gun/index.html
>
>
> how can they infringe upon my 2nd amendment
> right to bare arms?
>

LOL, someone doesn't understand the Constitution.

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Re: I dont think so Uber
Posted by: "Tech" Company ()
Date: June 21, 2015 08:29PM

their right :/ Wrote:
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> Uber has every right to do this; companies can
> restrict first amendment rights when applicable,
> so no surprise about the 2nd amendment

Not when they're constantly in court arguing that their driving partners are independent contractors and not employees. In their ploy to avoid payroll and other employer taxes, Uber can only have it one way or the other.

If Uber's business plan is to simply manage and control a brown, unquestioning army of ESOLs driving jalopy Corollas & Civics, then they're well on their way. But the current model might not get them to the true goal of running autonomous cabs 24/7 which is still a decade or more away.

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Re: I dont think so Uber
Date: June 21, 2015 08:39PM

They are not infringing on your right to bare arms. They are infringing on your right to bear arms. Just sayin'.

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Re: I dont think so Uber
Posted by: Arms ()
Date: June 21, 2015 08:46PM

^correct

An illustration for those that struggle with English:
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Re: I dont think so Uber
Posted by: 97X ()
Date: June 21, 2015 09:22PM

FormerlyRangerRikki Wrote:
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> They are not infringing on your right to bare
> arms. They are infringing on your right to bear
> arms. Just sayin'.

Typical libtard response. When they have no rebuttal to an argument they correct your grammar.

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Re: I dont think so Uber
Posted by: Has To Be Unloaded in A Car ()
Date: June 21, 2015 09:23PM

Uber banning guns works for me. Why don't you just take another cab company that does allow guns. Also in VA it's illegal to transport a gun and ammo inside the car.

For open carry in a vehicle, the firearm must be "properly secured in a container or compartment within the vehicle" (ie glove box, center console, trunk, etc). The container/compartment does not have to be locked, the firearm may be within the reach of the driver or a passenger, and the firearm may be loaded. This does not preempt an employer from prohibiting firearms "at a place of employment if there is a company policy or signage prohibiting firearms on the premises."[3]

Furthermore, a "county or city may by ordinance make it unlawful for any person to transport, possess or carry a loaded shotgun or loaded rifle in any vehicle on any public street, road, or highway within such locality." However, this does not "apply to duly authorized law-enforcement officers or military personnel in the performance of their lawful duties, nor to any person who reasonably believes that a loaded rifle or shotgun is necessary for his personal safety in the course of his employment or business."

In addition, a firearm may be considered "open carry" in a vehicle if the firearm is openly visible, though this is not as well established as the "secured in a container/compartment" rule.

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Re: I dont think so Uber
Posted by: No alcohol Either ()
Date: June 21, 2015 09:26PM

Uber will also not allow any alcohol in the passenger the compartment.

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Re: I dont think so Uber
Posted by: tUH6w ()
Date: June 21, 2015 09:38PM

> Also in VA it's illegal to transport a gun and ammo inside the car.

You wrote that, followed by a bunch of information about how it is perfectly LEGAL in VA.

> For open carry in a vehicle, the firearm must be
> "properly secured in a container or compartment
> within the vehicle" (ie glove box, center console, trunk, etc).

VA courts have ruled that "container" means "any closed container",
which includes, for example, a purse. (You do NOT need a concealed handgun permit for this.)

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Re: I dont think so Uber
Posted by: Barney Fife ()
Date: June 21, 2015 09:42PM

Has To Be Unloaded in A Car Wrote:
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> Uber banning guns works for me. Why don't you
> just take another cab company that does allow
> guns. Also in VA it's illegal to transport a gun
> and ammo inside the car.
>
> For open carry in a vehicle, the firearm must be
> "properly secured in a container or compartment
> within the vehicle" (ie glove box, center console,
> trunk, etc). The container/compartment does not
> have to be locked, the firearm may be within the
> reach of the driver or a passenger, and the
> firearm may be loaded. This does not preempt an
> employer from prohibiting firearms "at a place of
> employment if there is a company policy or signage
> prohibiting firearms on the premises."[3]
>
> Furthermore, a "county or city may by ordinance
> make it unlawful for any person to transport,
> possess or carry a loaded shotgun or loaded rifle
> in any vehicle on any public street, road, or
> highway within such locality." However, this does
> not "apply to duly authorized law-enforcement
> officers or military personnel in the performance
> of their lawful duties, nor to any person who
> reasonably believes that a loaded rifle or shotgun
> is necessary for his personal safety in the course
> of his employment or business."
>
> In addition, a firearm may be considered "open
> carry" in a vehicle if the firearm is openly
> visible, though this is not as well established as
> the "secured in a container/compartment" rule.

Does any part of your dissertation have anything to do with a CCW permit?

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Re: I dont think so Uber
Posted by: Details Bro ()
Date: June 21, 2015 09:48PM

Barney Fife Wrote:
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> Has To Be Unloaded in A Car Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Uber banning guns works for me. Why don't you
> > just take another cab company that does allow
> > guns. Also in VA it's illegal to transport a
> gun
> > and ammo inside the car.
> >
> > For open carry in a vehicle, the firearm must
> be
> > "properly secured in a container or compartment
> > within the vehicle" (ie glove box, center
> console,
> > trunk, etc). The container/compartment does not
> > have to be locked, the firearm may be within
> the
> > reach of the driver or a passenger, and the
> > firearm may be loaded. This does not preempt an
> > employer from prohibiting firearms "at a place
> of
> > employment if there is a company policy or
> signage
> > prohibiting firearms on the premises."[3]
> >
> > Furthermore, a "county or city may by
> ordinance
> > make it unlawful for any person to transport,
> > possess or carry a loaded shotgun or loaded
> rifle
> > in any vehicle on any public street, road, or
> > highway within such locality." However, this
> does
> > not "apply to duly authorized law-enforcement
> > officers or military personnel in the
> performance
> > of their lawful duties, nor to any person who
> > reasonably believes that a loaded rifle or
> shotgun
> > is necessary for his personal safety in the
> course
> > of his employment or business."
> >
> > In addition, a firearm may be considered "open
> > carry" in a vehicle if the firearm is openly
> > visible, though this is not as well established
> as
> > the "secured in a container/compartment" rule.
>
> Does any part of your dissertation have anything
> to do with a CCW permit?

What is a CCW? There's now such thing in Virginia.

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Re: I dont think so Uber
Posted by: YFbet ()
Date: June 21, 2015 09:51PM

Uber (and Lyft has the same policy, btw) is perfectly within their rights to require this. You have to use their app; you can't hail them off the street. And the Terms Of Service (contract) that you agree to when you install and use their app (either as a driver or a passenger) has a "no firearms (or anything else)" clause that you have agreed to.

The could throw your ass out of the car, and maybe even sue you, but what they said they will do is simply blacklist you from using their service anymore.

They can tell their contractors and riders (both "customers" from Uber's perspective) how to operate the service; it's in the contract. If they were employers, they could obviously do it also. Just as a brick-and-mortar business can have a "NO GUNS" sign on the door.

It's stupid, but it's perfectly legal.


Personally, I would either just carry where they can't know (gun in my closed purse container or permit-concealed), and ignore them. Or just not use their services because they are an anti-gun business.

Getting out of an Uber/Lyft vehicle (http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/business/2013/08/lyft.jpg) makes you a "mark" for muggers. When trying to figure out which person to mug, pick the one from Lyft, not the one from the taxicab. (You also know that the taxi DRIVER has a gun, but I don't think the Uber/Lyft drivers handle cash, so you're just going to have to carjack them and get their credit cards and stuff.)

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Re: I dont think so Uber
Posted by: 97X ()
Date: June 21, 2015 09:55PM

YFbet Wrote:
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> Uber (and Lyft has the same policy, btw) is
> perfectly within their rights to require this.
> You have to use their app; you can't hail them off
> the street. And the Terms Of Service (contract)
> that you agree to when you install and use their
> app (either as a driver or a passenger) has a "no
> firearms (or anything else)" clause that you have
> agreed to.
>
> The could throw your ass out of the car, and maybe
> even sue you, but what they said they will do is
> simply blacklist you from using their service
> anymore.
>
> They can tell their contractors and riders (both
> "customers" from Uber's perspective) how to
> operate the service; it's in the contract. If they
> were employers, they could obviously do it also.
> Just as a brick-and-mortar business can have a "NO
> GUNS" sign on the door.
>
> It's stupid, but it's perfectly legal.
>
>
> Personally, I would either just carry where they
> can't know (gun in my closed purse container or
> permit-concealed), and ignore them. Or just not
> use their services because they are an anti-gun
> business.
>
> Getting out of an Uber/Lyft vehicle
> (http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/business/2013/0
> 8/lyft.jpg) makes you a "mark" for muggers. When
> trying to figure out which person to mug, pick the
> one from Lyft, not the one from the taxicab. (You
> also know that the taxi DRIVER has a gun, but I
> don't think the Uber/Lyft drivers handle cash, so
> you're just going to have to carjack them and get
> their credit cards and stuff.)

Open season on Uber drivers. Well, that will certainly make the thugs happy.

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Re: I dont think so Uber
Posted by: Credit Card Accts Only ()
Date: June 21, 2015 09:59PM

YFbet Wrote:
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> Uber (and Lyft has the same policy, btw) is
> perfectly within their rights to require this.
> You have to use their app; you can't hail them off
> the street. And the Terms Of Service (contract)
> that you agree to when you install and use their
> app (either as a driver or a passenger) has a "no
> firearms (or anything else)" clause that you have
> agreed to.
>
> The could throw your ass out of the car, and maybe
> even sue you, but what they said they will do is
> simply blacklist you from using their service
> anymore.

Yup, you have to hail from an approved credit account.

What would be the point of robbing an Uber driver? Uber is ALL credit card transactions.

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Re: I dont think so Uber
Posted by: The Know ()
Date: June 21, 2015 10:10PM

Credit Card Accts Only Wrote:
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> YFbet Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Uber (and Lyft has the same policy, btw) is
> > perfectly within their rights to require this.
> > You have to use their app; you can't hail them
> off
> > the street. And the Terms Of Service (contract)
> > that you agree to when you install and use
> their
> > app (either as a driver or a passenger) has a
> "no
> > firearms (or anything else)" clause that you
> have
> > agreed to.
> >
> > The could throw your ass out of the car, and
> maybe
> > even sue you, but what they said they will do
> is
> > simply blacklist you from using their service
> > anymore.
>
> Yup, you have to hail from an approved credit
> account.
>
> What would be the point of robbing an Uber driver?
> Uber is ALL credit card transactions.

Stolen credit cards and/or cell phones. It's a known problem.

Rumor is that genius Daron Wint took a "stolen" uber ride to and maybe back from NYC while he was on the lam.

But yeah, robbing an uber that's in your name is idiotic.

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Re: I dont think so Uber
Posted by: ePNCN ()
Date: June 21, 2015 10:15PM

The Know Wrote:
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>
> >
> > What would be the point of robbing an Uber
> driver?
>

Any of you morons ever heard of Carjacking? There are people that will kill you for your car.

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Re: I dont think so Uber
Posted by: Beware the assholes ()
Date: June 21, 2015 10:43PM

Too bad there aren't people who will kill you for being so dumb.

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Re: I dont think so Uber
Posted by: pgonex ()
Date: June 21, 2015 11:54PM

Unlike cabs uber drivers can only accept payment by mobile phone so its less likely they will be robbed but you never know what anyone may do

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Re: I dont think so Uber
Posted by: Bawkbawkbawk ()
Date: June 22, 2015 02:34AM

If you are such a fraidy cat that you can't take a cab ride without your little dick extender, then buy your own car. Otherwise, it's Uber's drivers' property, and you don't get a say in what they allow in it. Or is that concept too complicated for your simple fearful little quivering minds to grasp?

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Re: I dont think so Uber
Posted by: Guns just make things worse ()
Date: June 22, 2015 07:20AM

Beware the assholes Wrote:
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> Too bad there aren't people who will kill you for
> being so dumb.

Well, look at it this way. Those who keep guns in the home are nearly four times as likely to die from a gunshot wound as the rest of us. Being a gun-tard is at least in some degree a self-correcting error.

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Re: I dont think so Uber
Posted by: Tell it like it is ()
Date: June 22, 2015 07:30AM

It's really quite amazing how many of the severely weak-minded succumb to the fairytale delusions inherent in becoming a heat-packing John Wayne wannabe. As everyone else knows, it's all just a mask of phony strength and bravado adopted in hopes of hiding what is their actual state of severe dysfunction, weakness, and paranoia.

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Re: I dont think so Uber
Posted by: yDvHC ()
Date: June 22, 2015 07:39AM

To sum up for the ignorant OP

Yes, they legally can

No, no one will rob drivers with no cash

No, there is nothing you can do but cry like a whiny bitch

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Re: I dont think so Uber
Posted by: 9mKXC ()
Date: June 22, 2015 08:46AM

97X Wrote:
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> http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/18/business/uber-co
> ntests-california-labor-ruling-that-says-drivers-s
> hould-be-employees.html


They better watch out or they will soon find themselves providing benefits and doing taxes.

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Re: I dont think so Uber
Posted by: Constitutional Rights! ()
Date: June 22, 2015 09:18AM

Why is it that conservatives rant about how business owners should be able to make their own decisions but when a business owner wants ban guns they picket a place and start yelling unconstitutional.

Typical guntards and conservatives. Fair weather constitution fans.

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Re: I dont think so Uber
Posted by: Deport the America-haters! ()
Date: June 22, 2015 10:29AM

They actually HATE the US Constitution. It's way too liberal. They owe their faith and allegiance instead to the Bizarro Constitution, a ridiculous document that was written 200 years after the real one by a bunch of right-wing cowards and crackpots. Pretty treasonous behavior, all in all.

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Re: I dont think so Uber
Posted by: Uber Regulated ()
Date: June 22, 2015 11:10AM

If I was an Uber driver, I wouldn't certainly try to find an attorney to take on Uber pro bono because this is BULLSHIT.

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Re: I dont think so Uber
Posted by: Lt Col Obvious ()
Date: June 22, 2015 11:12AM

97X Wrote:
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> Can they do this? I mean, if I'm driving my own
> car and have a permit in a state where CC is
> legal, how can they infringe upon my 2nd amendment
> right to bare arms?

Uber is a private company that can implement whatever the hell policies/rules it wants. This America, damnit! If you don't like Uber's policies, don't drive for Uber.

> Same for a passenger. How can they tell a law
> abiding citizen with a CC permit he cannot bring
> his gun into an Uber cab WHICH UBER DOES NOT OWN?

Uber is a private company that can implement whatever the hell policies/rules it wants. This America, damnit! If you don't like Uber's policies, don't ride with Uber.

See how simple this is?

PS - Gun owners are not a 'protected class' (pun intended) and therefore can be discriminated against at-will. Cheers!



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/22/2015 11:14AM by Lt Col Obvious.

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Re: I dont think so Uber
Posted by: el4mp ()
Date: June 22, 2015 11:21AM

Lt Col Obvious Wrote:
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> 97X Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Can they do this? I mean, if I'm driving my own
> > car and have a permit in a state where CC is
> > legal, how can they infringe upon my 2nd
> amendment
> > right to bare arms?
>
> Uber is a private company that can implement
> whatever the hell policies/rules it wants. This
> America, damnit! If you don't like Uber's
> policies, don't drive for Uber.
>
> > Same for a passenger. How can they tell a law
> > abiding citizen with a CC permit he cannot
> bring
> > his gun into an Uber cab WHICH UBER DOES NOT
> OWN?
>
> Uber is a private company that can implement
> whatever the hell policies/rules it wants. This
> America, damnit! If you don't like Uber's
> policies, don't ride with Uber.
>
> See how simple this is?
>
> PS - Gun owners are not a 'protected class' (pun
> intended) and therefore can be discriminated
> against at-will. Cheers!

So you'd say the same if they banned beards, wearing clothing and other items and behavior associated with the religious practice of Muslims right?

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Re: I dont think so Uber
Posted by: Sgt Less Obvious ()
Date: June 22, 2015 11:23AM

Lt Col Obvious Wrote:
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> 97X Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Can they do this? I mean, if I'm driving my own
> > car and have a permit in a state where CC is
> > legal, how can they infringe upon my 2nd
> amendment
> > right to bare arms?
>
> Uber is a private company that can implement
> whatever the hell policies/rules it wants. This
> America, damnit! If you don't like Uber's
> policies, don't drive for Uber.
>
> > Same for a passenger. How can they tell a law
> > abiding citizen with a CC permit he cannot
> bring
> > his gun into an Uber cab WHICH UBER DOES NOT
> OWN?
>
> Uber is a private company that can implement
> whatever the hell policies/rules it wants. This
> America, damnit! If you don't like Uber's
> policies, don't ride with Uber.
>
> See how simple this is?
>
> PS - Gun owners are not a 'protected class' (pun
> intended) and therefore can be discriminated
> against at-will. Cheers!

I think the bigger complaint is going to be with the drivers. How can Uber deny their right to defend themselves in a state where gun ownership is legal?

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Re: I dont think so Uber
Posted by: eE6Yv ()
Date: June 22, 2015 11:34AM

el4mp Wrote:

> So you'd say the same if they banned beards,
> wearing clothing and other items and behavior
> associated with the religious practice of Muslims
> right?


No, dipshit, that's prevented by the 1964 Civil Rights Act. Guess you haven't gotten up to that chapter yet in Social Studies, huh?

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Re: I dont think so Uber
Posted by: Lt Col Obvious ()
Date: June 22, 2015 11:35AM

el4mp Wrote:
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> So you'd say the same if they banned beards,
> wearing clothing and other items and behavior
> associated with the religious practice of Muslims
> right?

I don't understand you question. Why would any company ban anything associated with the religious practice of Muslims?

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Re: I dont think so Uber
Posted by: Lt Col Obvious ()
Date: June 22, 2015 11:38AM

Sgt Less Obvious Wrote:
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> I think the bigger complaint is going to be with
> the drivers. How can Uber deny their right to
> defend themselves in a state where gun ownership
> is legal?

When the driver is working under the auspices of Uber, Uber makes the rules. Same goes for UPS & FedEx drivers, etc.

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Re: I dont think so Uber
Posted by: Private What the Fuck ()
Date: June 22, 2015 11:44AM

Lt Col Obvious Wrote:
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> Sgt Less Obvious Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I think the bigger complaint is going to be
> with
> > the drivers. How can Uber deny their right to
> > defend themselves in a state where gun
> ownership
> > is legal?
>
> When the driver is working under the auspices of
> Uber, Uber makes the rules. Same goes for UPS &
> FedEx drivers, etc.

Auspices = Employee?

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Re: I dont think so Uber
Posted by: 97X ()
Date: June 22, 2015 11:47AM

Lt Col Obvious Wrote:
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>
>
> When the driver is working under the auspices of
> Uber, Uber makes the rules. Same goes for UPS &
> FedEx drivers, etc.

FedEx and UPS drivers are employees. I think that makes a difference.

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Re: I dont think so Uber
Posted by: Lt Col Obvious ()
Date: June 22, 2015 11:53AM

Private What the Fuck Wrote:
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> Auspices = Employee?

Not necessarily.

Even as contractors, the drivers are representing Uber, are agents of Uber (legally speaking) and therefore are required to adhere to Uber policies.

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Re: I dont think so Uber
Posted by: Lt Col Obvious ()
Date: June 22, 2015 11:54AM

97X Wrote:
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> FedEx and UPS drivers are employees. I think that
> makes a difference.

No, it does not.

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Re: I dont think so Uber
Posted by: whvmf ()
Date: June 22, 2015 11:59AM

Lt Col Obvious Wrote:
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> Sgt Less Obvious Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I think the bigger complaint is going to be
> with
> > the drivers. How can Uber deny their right to
> > defend themselves in a state where gun
> ownership
> > is legal?
>
> When the driver is working under the auspices of
> Uber, Uber makes the rules. Same goes for UPS &
> FedEx drivers, etc.


6/01/15 11:05 AM EDT

The Supreme Court ruled Monday in a favor of a Muslim woman denied a job at the Abercrombie & Fitch because she wore a religious headscarf.

In an 8-1 ruling remanding the workplace discrimination case back to the lower courts, the court said that Samantha Elauf only has to prove that her need for a religious accomodation was the motivating factor in Abercrombies' decision not to hire her.

The case, known as Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC) v. Abercrombie, centers on Elauf, a practicing Muslim who applied for a position as a model at the Abercrombie Kids store in Tulsa, Okla., in 2008. She was denied employment because she was wearing a black scarf known as a hijab during her interview.

Abercrombie has a “look policy” that prohibits employees from wearing black clothing and “caps” and rates its prospective employees based on their dress. EEOC argued that Abercrombie violated Title VII of the Civil Rights Act by failing to accommodate Elauf’s religious beliefs.

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Re: I dont think so Uber
Posted by: WDjEH ()
Date: June 22, 2015 11:59AM

There is a difference between what a business's rules are and what the law is.

If a business posts on their store front, no weapons and you are found with one, then they can ban you from their store, etc.

I do not believe they have the power to have someone arrested for breaking their rules.

An Uber cab driver can tell you to "get out", etc. and send any info. about you to HQ, so that you cannot reserve another Uber ride.

Apparently, Uber cab drivers have been held up at gun point, just like other cab drivers have, that kind of crime, makes life difficult for all of the good law abiding citizens out there, unfortunately.

So if you conceal very well and want to take a chance .. that's up to you.
I think Uber business may suffer because of their stance, but that is just my humble opinion and I could be wrong.

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Re: I dont think so Uber
Posted by: Uber is ? ()
Date: June 22, 2015 12:04PM

Lt Col Obvious Wrote:
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> Sgt Less Obvious Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I think the bigger complaint is going to be
> with
> > the drivers. How can Uber deny their right to
> > defend themselves in a state where gun
> ownership
> > is legal?
>
> When the driver is working under the auspices of
> Uber, Uber makes the rules. Same goes for UPS &
> FedEx drivers, etc.

Meh, I fail to see the problem here. I'm sure plenty of uber drivers along with some UPS/FedEx drivers conceal carry all the time. Uber's rules don't supersede a single law on the books. If Uber wants to restrict their already dwindling driver pool, they can go right ahead. It's not going to stop people who conceal carry anyways. You'd be surprised at how many people you walk past everyday that are carrying, especially in Northern VA.

With that being said, there are a lot of idiots in here that need to brush up on conceal carry laws and permits (as opposed to simple gun ownership), along with learning the difference between a wage and 1099 employee.

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Re: I dont think so Uber
Posted by: Lt Col Obvious ()
Date: June 22, 2015 12:10PM

Uber is ? Wrote:
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> Uber's rules don't supersede a single law
> on the books.

Of course not, but if Uber catches its drivers carrying a firearm, legally or otherwise, the drivers will be terminated.

> If Uber wants to restrict their already dwindling driver
> pool, they can go right ahead.

Apparently, Uber doesn't see that as a problem.

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Re: I dont think so Uber
Posted by: 1M+ rides per day ()
Date: June 22, 2015 12:34PM

Lt Col Obvious Wrote:
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> Uber is ? Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Uber's rules don't supersede a single law
> > on the books.
>
> Of course not, but if Uber catches its drivers
> carrying a firearm, legally or otherwise, the
> drivers will be terminated.

Yeah, I'm sure Uber's wand & frisk patrol team will get right on that. Don't forget passengers are banned from carrying too.

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Re: I dont think so Uber
Posted by: Lt Col Obvious ()
Date: June 22, 2015 12:42PM

1M+ rides per day Wrote:
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> Lt Col Obvious Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Uber is ? Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Uber's rules don't supersede a single law
> > > on the books.
> >
> > Of course not, but if Uber catches its drivers
> > carrying a firearm, legally or otherwise, the
> > drivers will be terminated.
>
> Yeah, I'm sure Uber's wand & frisk patrol team
> will get right on that.

Apologies, Mr. Literal. Instead of "catches", I should I have written "finds out". lol.

> Don't forget passengers
> are banned from carrying too.

And the same goes for them. Uber can ban passengers who violate its policies.

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Re: I dont think so Uber
Posted by: Mwhby ()
Date: June 22, 2015 12:49PM

Stupid move by Uber.

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Re: I dont think so Uber
Posted by: Vocab ()
Date: June 22, 2015 12:52PM

Then good luck to uber in "finding" them.
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Re: I dont think so Uber
Posted by: Lt Col Obvious ()
Date: June 22, 2015 01:01PM

Vocab Wrote:
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> Then good luck to uber in "finding" them.

There is little Uber can do if a driver or passenger choses to violate company policy surreptitiously. Once Uber discovers the violation, however, it can act to punish the violator.

Isn't this how all rules & regulations operate? Unless you're caught, you won't be penalized for speeding or pouring used motor oil down a storm drain or cheating on your taxes or bringing a gin & tonic disguised as a seltzer to the community pool on Saturday afternoon.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/22/2015 01:06PM by Lt Col Obvious.

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Re: I dont think so Uber
Posted by: U6NYu ()
Date: June 22, 2015 01:22PM

What is a community pool? Sounds like something that would be full of baby ruths and urine.

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Re: I dont think so Uber
Posted by: Lt Col Obvious ()
Date: June 22, 2015 01:33PM

U6NYu Wrote:
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> What is a community pool?

As the name implies, a community pool is one that is for the use of those who live in a community and their guests (image below).

> Sounds like something
> that would be full of baby ruths and urine.

What sort of community do you live in?

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Re: I dont think so Uber
Posted by: 97X ()
Date: June 22, 2015 03:38PM

This is my pool and the community better stay the fuck out.
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Re: I dont think so Uber
Posted by: Erfd ()
Date: June 22, 2015 03:43PM

Lt Col Obvious Wrote:
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> Vocab Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Then good luck to uber in "finding" them.
>
> There is little Uber can do if a driver or
> passenger choses to violate company policy
> surreptitiously. Once Uber discovers the
> violation, however, it can act to punish the
> violator.
>
> Isn't this how all rules & regulations operate?
> Unless you're caught, you won't be penalized for
> speeding or pouring used motor oil down a storm
> drain or cheating on your taxes or bringing a gin
> & tonic disguised as a seltzer to the community
> pool on Saturday afternoon.

Sure and you can take alcohol in a Uber too. Just don't let the driver see it.

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Re: I dont think so Uber
Posted by: Foster Brooks ()
Date: June 22, 2015 09:56PM

Erfd Wrote:
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>
>
> Sure and you can take alcohol in a Uber too. Just
> don't let the driver see it.

But if you offer him a drink you're good to go!

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