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Father DeCelles declares war on the FCPS system
Posted by: St. Raymond's and sad ()
Date: June 19, 2015 08:57AM

Please read Father DeCelle's June 21, 2015, letter to parishioners contained in this weeks church's bulletin. After declaring that diminishing fatherhood results in increased domestic violence (yikes), he goes on to attack the FCPS system, resulting in the question: What century are we are living in? Perhaps this would play well in his home town of San Antonio, but here I am simply ashamed.

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Re: Father DeCelles declares war on the FCPS system
Posted by: Well said, Fr. DeCelles ()
Date: June 19, 2015 09:39AM

St. Raymond's and sad Wrote:
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> Please read Father DeCelle's June 21, 2015, letter
> to parishioners contained in this weeks church's
> bulletin. After declaring that diminishing
> fatherhood results in increased domestic violence
> (yikes), he goes on to attack the FCPS system,
> resulting in the question: What century are we are
> living in?

He answered your question succinctly and directly. We are living in a century where "Nonsense!" prevails. You appear to be no exception to that sentiment.

> Perhaps this would play well in his
> home town of San Antonio, but here I am simply
> ashamed.

You should be more ashamed of yourself, but something tells me you won't be.

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Re: Father DeCelles declares war on the FCPS system
Posted by: Pat Falwell-Bakker ()
Date: June 19, 2015 09:43AM

Fundie niwits actually have a big STUPID sign across their forehead. But not everyone can see it.

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Re: Father DeCelles declares war on the FCPS system
Posted by: some advice ()
Date: June 19, 2015 10:01AM

Pat Falwell-Bakker Wrote:
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> Fundie niwits actually have a big STUPID sign
> across their forehead. But not everyone can see
> it.


You might need to learn the difference between a Fundamentalist and a Catholic. After you do that, you can go to the mirror and wipe the word stupid off of your forehead. It won't mean you aren't stupid anymore, but at least you won't be advertising it to the world like you did here.

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Re: Father DeCelles declares war on the FCPS system
Posted by: Pat Falwell-Bakker ()
Date: June 19, 2015 10:04AM

As if actual Catholics were not fundies. Do you have any clue as to Catholic history, my boy?

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Re: Father DeCelles declares war on the FCPS system
Posted by: some adivce ()
Date: June 19, 2015 10:12AM

Pat Falwell-Bakker Wrote:
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> As if actual Catholics were not fundies.

Fundamentalists are Protestants.

> Do you have any clue as to Catholic history, my boy?


Obviously much more than you.

In your attempt to claim intellectual superiority, you have proven to the world what an idiot you are. In short, you fail.

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Re: Father DeCelles declares war on the FCPS system
Posted by: One Confused Puppy ()
Date: June 19, 2015 10:25AM

Please help me out here. I'll ignore the school debate for the moment and ask: Does this letter really seem to equate an increase in domestic violence with disrespecting fatherhood? Maybe I'm reading it incorrectly, but if it is that is a sick contention.

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Re: Father DeCelles declares war on the FCPS system
Posted by: Singing Nun ()
Date: June 19, 2015 10:26AM

some adivce Wrote:
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> Pat Falwell-Bakker Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > As if actual Catholics were not fundies.
>
> Fundamentalists are Protestants.
>
> > Do you have any clue as to Catholic history, my
> boy?
>
>
> Obviously much more than you.
>
> In your attempt to claim intellectual superiority,
> you have proven to the world what an idiot you
> are. In short, you fail.


His fail was so bad, we could taste it. Thanks for slapping his sorry butt so the rest of us don't have to. Pat Falwell-Bakker is yet another example of why retards shouldn't be allowed access to the Internet.

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Re: Father DeCelles declares war on the FCPS system
Posted by: Pat Falwell-Bakker ()
Date: June 19, 2015 10:27AM

some adivce Wrote:
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> Fundamentalists are Protestants.

Fundamentalists are Christians. Or Mulsims. Or Jews. Or sometimes even Dumbfucks. You are looking a lot like a fundie Dumbfuck-extremist here, actually.

> In your attempt to claim intellectual superiority,
> you have proven to the world what an idiot you
> are. In short, you fail.

Go burn someone at the stake, moron. Maybe like a witch or something. LOL!!!

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Re: Father DeCelles declares war on the FCPS system
Posted by: Pat Falwell-Bakker ()
Date: June 19, 2015 10:39AM

Singing Nun Wrote:
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> His fail was so bad, we could taste it. Thanks
> for slapping his sorry butt so the rest of us
> don't have to. Pat Falwell-Bakker is yet another
> example of why retards shouldn't be allowed access
> to the Internet.

Ooooh! I used to love the Singing Nun, and the Flying Nun too! Of course I was about 8 at the time. Lots of us thought it would be a good idea to grow up from that childish and immature point in our lives. Apparently you were never a part of that group, you mind-boggling retrograde loser.

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Re: Father DeCelles declares war on the FCPS system
Posted by: some advice ()
Date: June 19, 2015 10:40AM

Pat Falwell-Bakker Wrote:
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> some adivce Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Fundamentalists are Protestants.
>
> Fundamentalists are Christians. Or Mulsims. Or
> Jews. Or sometimes even Dumbfucks. You are
> looking a lot like a fundie Dumbfuck-extremist
> here, actually.

Not in the context in which you are writing about. You're simply out of your league. You don't even understand your own posts.

> > In your attempt to claim intellectual
> superiority,
> > you have proven to the world what an idiot you
> > are. In short, you fail.
>
> Go burn someone at the stake, moron.

And why would I want to do that? Does your idiocy know no bounds?

> Maybe like a
> witch or something. LOL!!!

What a petulant juvenile you are. Your either a troll or an idiot. Pick one.

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Re: Father DeCelles declares war on the FCPS system
Posted by: fair warning ()
Date: June 19, 2015 10:45AM

Pat Fallwell-Baker=Actually.../Asshole Spotter/etc.

Basically, he is an uber-douche with little to no redeeming value. Judging by his numerous and vitriolic posts on this site, he must lead a very shallow and unfulfilling existence. It appears he comes here for attention and attention only. Yes, he is a troll.

Engage him at your own discretion, but know that it is simply a black hole of lunacy, delusions of grandeur, lies and attention seeking.

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Re: Father DeCelles declares war on the FCPS system
Posted by: pDYUc ()
Date: June 19, 2015 10:49AM

some advice Wrote:
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> Pat Falwell-Bakker Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Fundie niwits actually have a big STUPID sign
> > across their forehead. But not everyone can
> see
> > it.
>
>
> You might need to learn the difference between a
> Fundamentalist and a Catholic. After you do that,
> you can go to the mirror and wipe the word stupid
> off of your forehead. It won't mean you aren't
> stupid anymore, but at least you won't be
> advertising it to the world like you did here.


+1 hahahahaha!

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Re: Father DeCelles declares war on the FCPS system
Posted by: Pat Falwell-Bakker ()
Date: June 19, 2015 10:56AM

some advice Wrote:
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> Not in the context in which you are writing about.

In EVERY fucking context you doltish dumbfuck. Protestants have no monopoly at all on fundamentalism. Sorry if you felt your non-existent God was offended in some way.

> And why would I want to do that? Does your idiocy
> know no bounds?

Well, as I guess I have to explain to you, those things were famously done by non-protestant fundamentalists. In fact, they were Catholics. See the connection now, dumbass?

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Re: Father DeCelles declares war on the FCPS system
Posted by: some advice ()
Date: June 19, 2015 11:00AM

Pat Falwell-Bakker Wrote:
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> some advice Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Not in the context in which you are writing
> about.
>
> In EVERY fucking context you doltish dumbfuck.
> Protestants have no monopoly at all on
> fundamentalism. Sorry if you felt your
> non-existent God was offended in some way.

Once again, with every post, you are proving your lack of intellectual prowess.

> > And why would I want to do that? Does your
> idiocy
> > know no bounds?
>
> Well, as I guess I have to explain to you, those
> things were famously done by non-protestant
> fundamentalists. In fact, they were Catholics.
> See the connection now, dumbass?

What I see is an individual who needs to look up what a Fundamentalist is, or as I like to call him a completely useless moron aka you.

I see the above poster is correct. Your vapid posting is merely an attention seeking exercise on your part. Good luck with that.

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Re: Father DeCelles declares war on the FCPS system
Posted by: Pat Falwell-Bakker ()
Date: June 19, 2015 11:02AM

fair warning Wrote:
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> Pat Fallwell-Baker=Actually.../Asshole Spotter/etc.
> Basically, he is an uber-douche with little to no
> redeeming value. Judging by his numerous and
> vitriolic posts on this site, he must lead a very
> shallow and unfulfilling existence. It appears he
> comes here for attention and attention only. Yes,
> he is a troll.

My sympathies over the number of posters that has apparently made you look like some pathetic groveling fool in the past. But butthurt is something big boys and girls eventually get over. You don't seem to have reached that point yet.

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Re: Father DeCelles declares war on the FCPS system
Posted by: fair warning ()
Date: June 19, 2015 11:06AM

Pat Falwell-Bakker Wrote:
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> fair warning Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Pat Fallwell-Baker=Actually.../Asshole
> Spotter/etc.
> > Basically, he is an uber-douche with little to
> no
> > redeeming value. Judging by his numerous and
> > vitriolic posts on this site, he must lead a
> very
> > shallow and unfulfilling existence. It appears
> he
> > comes here for attention and attention only.
> Yes,
> > he is a troll.
>
> My sympathies over the number of posters that has
> apparently made you look like some pathetic
> groveling fool in the past. But butthurt is
> something big boys and girls eventually get over.
> You don't seem to have reached that point yet.

Your response has more than proven my point. If I could find a single individual you've made look foolish, I'd be surprised. On the other hand, you've made yourself look foolish on numerous occasions. This thread is apparently no exception.

Troll away, troll.....

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Re: Father DeCelles declares war on the FCPS system
Posted by: Pat Falwell-Bakker ()
Date: June 19, 2015 11:07AM

some advice Wrote:
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> Once again, with every post, you are proving your
> lack of intellectual prowess.

Lather, rinse, and repeat. Nothing material to say at all. That's because you have been crushed, hosed, and toasted here, all at the same time . Feeble little moron.

> What I see is an individual who needs to look up
> what a Fundamentalist is, or as I like to call him
> a completely useless moron aka you.

I've known what "fundamentalist" means and includes for a long time. You still don't. Eat my dust, dull-brain.

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Re: Father DeCelles declares war on the FCPS system
Posted by: some advice ()
Date: June 19, 2015 11:10AM

Pat Falwell-Bakker Wrote:
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> some advice Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Once again, with every post, you are proving
> your
> > lack of intellectual prowess.
>
> Lather, rinse, and repeat. Nothing material to
> say at all. That's because you have been crushed,
> hosed, and toasted here, all at the same time .
> Feeble little moron.
>
> > What I see is an individual who needs to look
> up
> > what a Fundamentalist is, or as I like to call
> him
> > a completely useless moron aka you.
>
> I've known what "fundamentalist" means and
> includes for a long time. You still don't. Eat
> my dust, dull-brain.


What the above poster said. "Troll away, troll...."

[What a fucking idiot]

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Re: Father DeCelles declares war on the FCPS system
Posted by: Pat Falwell-Bakker ()
Date: June 19, 2015 11:11AM

fair warning Wrote:
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> Your response has more than proven my point. If I
> could find a single individual you've made look
> foolish, I'd be surprised. On the other hand,
> you've made yourself look foolish on numerous
> occasions. This thread is apparently no
> exception. Troll away, troll.....

Let's all sing the Yada Yada song, children. Mrs. Butthurt will lead us...

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Re: Father DeCelles declares war on the FCPS system
Posted by: Pat Falwell-Bakker ()
Date: June 19, 2015 11:14AM

some advice Wrote:
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> What the above poster said. "Troll away,
> troll...." [What a fucking idiot]

Your desire for unconditional surrender due to the total collapse of absoulutely everything you have tried to say here is noted. Maybe there's still time to sign up for summer school or something.

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Re: Father DeCelles declares war on the FCPS system
Posted by: fair warning ()
Date: June 19, 2015 11:16AM

Pat Falwell-Bakker Wrote:
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> fair warning Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Your response has more than proven my point. If
> I
> > could find a single individual you've made look
> > foolish, I'd be surprised. On the other hand,
> > you've made yourself look foolish on numerous
> > occasions. This thread is apparently no
> > exception. Troll away, troll.....
>
> Let's all sing the Yada Yada song,
> children. Mrs. Butthurt will lead us...

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Re: Father DeCelles declares war on the FCPS system
Posted by: Balthazor ()
Date: June 19, 2015 11:17AM

Pat Falwell-Bakker Wrote:
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> some advice Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > What the above poster said. "Troll away,
> > troll...." [What a fucking idiot]
>
> Your desire for unconditional surrender due to the
> total collapse of absoulutely everything you have
> tried to say here is noted. Maybe there's still
> time to sign up for summer school or something.


You really are the king of Danth's law.

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Re: Father DeCelles declares war on the FCPS system
Posted by: Pat Falwell-Bakker ()
Date: June 19, 2015 11:21AM

You REALLY DO have not a single fucking thing to say. Maybe try to find a hobby that will be a little less embarrassing for you than this one. Stupid dumbfuck.

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Re: Father DeCelles declares war on the FCPS system
Posted by: fair warning ()
Date: June 19, 2015 11:22AM

Pat Falwell-Bakker Wrote:
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> You REALLY DO have not a single fucking thing to
> say. Maybe try to find a hobby that will be a
> little less embarrassing for you than this one.
> Stupid dumbfuck.

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Re: Father DeCelles declares war on the FCPS system
Posted by: pffffft ()
Date: June 19, 2015 11:23AM

Pat Falwell-Bakker Wrote:
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> You REALLY DO have not

LuLz!

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Re: Father DeCelles declares war on the FCPS system
Posted by: Pat Falwell-Bakker ()
Date: June 19, 2015 11:28AM

Imagine that...stuttering when you don't have anything to say to begin with. What a shrink-wrapped loser. This one can go out to the loading dock...

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Re: Father DeCelles declares war on the FCPS system
Posted by: fair warning ()
Date: June 19, 2015 11:29AM

Pat Falwell-Bakker Wrote:
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> Imagine that...stuttering when you don't have
> anything to say to begin with. What a
> shrink-wrapped loser. This one can go out to the
> loading dock...

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Re: Father DeCelles declares war on the FCPS system
Posted by: The Church Militant ()
Date: June 19, 2015 11:49AM

FCPS will have to change, eventually, if enough people complain. It is clear that if a common citizen contacts either the board or someone like Garza, nothing happens. Garza's listening tour was just a joke.

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Re: Father DeCelles declares war on the FCPS system
Posted by: If you didn't get the memo... ()
Date: June 19, 2015 11:52AM

The fact that stupid people are often ignored is not a reflection on those doing the ignoring.

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Re: Father DeCelles declares war on the FCPS system
Posted by: Appropriate Condemnation ()
Date: June 19, 2015 12:15PM

Gender and Fairfax Schools. Last Thursday evening, May 7, hundreds of taxpayers, including many of our parishioners (thank you!), attended the Fairfax County School Board meeting to voice their strong opposition to the Board’s proposal to add “gender identity” to their non-discrimination policy, (i.e., forcing little Suzy to change in a locker room next to little Johnny if Johnny says he thinks he’s a girl). Apparently many of the school board members were openly arrogant and condescending toward the crowd, as they despite overwhelming and vocal opposition of the crowd, voted 10-1 in favor of the proposal (Elizabeth Schultz cast the only opposing vote; Patty Reed abstained from the vote, but also voiced opposition and tried to get the vote postponed). So much for representative government in action.

But there’s more! At the May 7 meeting board members assured the crowd that nothing would change after the vote. But just 4 days later, on May 11, the School Board released the Family Life Education (FLE) committee report recommending the addition of the Gender Identity Agenda down to middle school students in 7th grade. The report also announces that parents will not be able to opt out of these lessons because they will be moved out of the FLE and into mental health sections of the school curriculum. The report goes on to state: “Sexual orientation and gender identity terms will be discussed with focus on appreciation for individual differences.”

Once again I ask you to voice your objections by emailing the school board members at fairfaxcountyschoolboard@fcps.edu. I also encourage you to remember this on Election Day, this coming November 3rd. And finally, I encourage you to prayerfully consider whether the Lord might be calling you to run for election to the board yourself (there is still time if you act quickly). As we read in today’s Gospel: “Jesus said to his disciples: ‘Go into the whole world and proclaim the gospel to every creature.’” And as we read in Isaiah: “The Lord [said], “Whom shall I send, and who will go for us?” Then I said, “Here I am! Send me.”

Once again, thanks to parishioner Mychele Brickner (former school board member) for keeping us up to date. Please feel free to contact her with questions – mbrickner1@icloud.com.

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Re: Father DeCelles declares war on the FCPS system
Posted by: DeCelles ()
Date: June 19, 2015 12:15PM

The reference to domestic violence being related to fathership issues is troubling. Is this blaming the victim/wife, or a misprint. If the former, I hope this brings about a change in the leadership at St. Raymonds.

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Re: Father DeCelles declares war on the FCPS system
Posted by: Don't parrot Fr. DeCelles ()
Date: June 19, 2015 12:17PM

This post is a copy and paste job from one of Fr. DeCelles' prior letters. At least give him the credit for it.

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Re: Father DeCelles declares war on the FCPS system
Posted by: catholick ()
Date: June 19, 2015 02:14PM

"It is my best judgment that, in spite of the many good people working in FCPS (especially many good and devout St. Raymond parishioners), the philosophy and curriculum of our Fairfax public schools put at risk the spiritual, moral, intellectual and emotional wellbeing of your children, and pose grave dangers to their eternal salvation. Therefore, I strongly urge you to consider either removing your children from these schools, or providing robust remedial efforts to offset the effects of these risks (CCD and Youth Apostolate activities are a good start, but not near enough to offset the dangers). To that end, I strongly urge you to consider either enrolling your children in Catholic schools or homeschooling your children in the coming school year."

- Fr De Celles, June 21, 2015 St Raymond Bulletin

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Re: Father DeCelles declares war on the FCPS system
Posted by: Drew Knew Who To Do ()
Date: June 19, 2015 02:37PM

Pat Falwell-Bakker Wrote:
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> Singing Nun Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > His fail was so bad, we could taste it. Thanks
> > for slapping his sorry butt so the rest of us
> > don't have to. Pat Falwell-Bakker is yet
> another
> > example of why retards shouldn't be allowed
> access
> > to the Internet.
>
> Ooooh! I used to love the Singing Nun, and the
> Flying Nun too! Of course I was about 8 at the
> time. Lots of us thought it would be a good idea
> to grow up from that childish and immature point
> in our lives. Apparently you were never a part of
> that group, you mind-boggling retrograde loser.


Uh huh

Lolz


 
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Re: Father DeCelles declares war on the FCPS system
Posted by: ????? ()
Date: June 19, 2015 03:01PM

What does "pose grave dangers to their eternal salvation" mean?

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Re: Father DeCelles declares war on the FCPS system
Posted by: Thetruth ()
Date: June 19, 2015 03:17PM

To: ?????

"What does "pose grave dangers to their eternal salvation" mean?"

You'll know when you don't get there. :)

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Re: Father DeCelles declares war on the FCPS system
Posted by: YvyVX ()
Date: June 19, 2015 03:42PM

Good for the father. We need more like him to stand up to the insanity of the school board and system.

In other words, he's just saying their playing with fire, which I too believe.

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Re: Father DeCelles declares war on the FCPS system
Posted by: mark j ()
Date: June 19, 2015 09:20PM

Dear "Ashamed",

Finally, SOMEONE speaks up against the atrocities that are going on in the school system. Thank you Fr DeC.

and finally... shut up! no one wants to hear from you.

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Re: Father DeCelles declares war on the FCPS system
Posted by: SisterMaryC ()
Date: June 19, 2015 10:02PM

Is this the same whacko priest who kicked out the Boy Scouts and kept their popcorn money? Yeah, he's some great role model to kids all right.

His church is so butt ugly, it looks like a creepy prison.

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Re: Father DeCelles declares war on the FCPS system
Posted by: pet smart ()
Date: June 20, 2015 08:35PM

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Re: Father DeCelles declares war on the FCPS system
Posted by: pet smart ()
Date: June 20, 2015 08:45PM

some rabbits are smart pets. they can figure things out the cat and dog can't.

they personable like a dog but they are when you see how to read them. they eat treats and like rubs as well.

http://www.celebuzz.com/2015-01-26/pet-rabbit-beer-custom-made-cart/

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Re: Father DeCelles declares war on the FCPS system
Posted by: pet smart ()
Date: June 20, 2015 08:49PM

is a stew rabbit. make sure to remind her your hungry for stew frequently!
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Re: Father DeCelles declares war on the FCPS system
Posted by: TTY ()
Date: June 21, 2015 04:12PM

St. Raymond's and sad Wrote:
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> Please read Father DeCelle's June 21, 2015, letter
> to parishioners contained in this weeks church's
> bulletin. After declaring that diminishing
> fatherhood results in increased domestic violence
> (yikes), he goes on to attack the FCPS system,
> resulting in the question: What century are we are
> living in? Perhaps this would play well in his
> home town of San Antonio, but here I am simply
> ashamed.


Haven't read the letter and I don't know Father DeCelle. However it sounds like Father DeCelle is merely doing what a devout Catholic priest is supposed to do, teach the Catholic faith. It doesn't matter if it's San Antonio, Fairfax County, or San Francisco traditional Catholic teachings remain the same. In families where there's an absent father or a bad father figure usually equals a messed up family. That's not to say that single mothers can't be good mothers and raise kids well, but it's a uphill battle compared with when there's good father and mother figures present. Parenting is hard enough these days with 2 good parents, remove one out of the picture and it makes the task so much harder.

As for your accessment of San Antonio, your thinking of 60 years ago. Today San Antonio is a majority hispanic city with almost 60% of the population being hispanic and solidly voting for liberal political candidates. It's also very similar to Miami where you really need to speak Spanish in order to live and work there. And the other 40% of the people who live in San Antonio are generally liberal when it comes to politics.

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Re: Father DeCelles declares war on the FCPS system
Date: June 21, 2015 04:42PM

Fr. DeCelles is absolutely right. Our family is in the process of moving into Loudoun over the summer. I've had it with the policies of the FCPS. No boy is going to walk into the bathroom when my young daughters are in there. I would like to see more Fairfax clergy and pastors speak out about the extreme liberal and damaging policies of FCPS.

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Re: Father DeCelles declares war on the FCPS system
Posted by: Bless Fr. DeCelles ()
Date: June 21, 2015 05:34PM

Fr. DeCelles has the discernment to see what is wrong at FCPS and the courage to speak up about it.

Even if you are not Catholic, you have to admire him for that. Compared to him, Karen Garza, Ryan McElveen, Ted Velkoff, and Angela Atwater are utterly pathetic.

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Re: Father DeCelles declares war on the FCPS system
Posted by: Former Parishioner ()
Date: June 22, 2015 02:20PM

If these comments weren't so odd, I'd say this was a great way to reduce public school overcrowding. As it is, I notice that the good pastor has no one defending his remarks on domestic violence.

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Re: Father DeCelles declares war on the FCPS system
Posted by: #s ()
Date: June 22, 2015 02:57PM

Former Parishioner Wrote:
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> As it is, I notice that the good pastor has no one
> defending his remarks on domestic violence.


No need, the numbers speak for themselves....

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Source: Zill, N. (2014). Analysis of public use microdata file from 2011-12 National Survey of Children’s Health, National Center for Health Statistics, U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

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Source: Zill, N. (2014). Analysis of public use microdata file from 2011-12 National Survey of Children’s Health, National Center for Health Statistics, U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

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Re: Father DeCelles declares war on the FCPS system
Posted by: We're Doomed ()
Date: June 24, 2015 02:00PM

Looks like 180,000 students are destined for H - E - Double Toothpicks.

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Re: Father DeCelles declares war on the FCPS system
Posted by: Pope John XXIII ()
Date: June 26, 2015 10:15AM

May I quote the late Pope John XXIII:
"We must beware of those who burn with zeal but are not endowed with much sense."

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Re: Father DeCelles declares war on the FCPS system
Posted by: Native 1960 ()
Date: June 26, 2015 05:27PM

Father DeCelle knows the truth hurts. It's not easy to be Catholic. All those rules interfere with the half Catholics. FCPS is a over rated collection of liberal self serving pension awaiting failures. Any catholic parent who sends their kid to FCPS should think long and hard if the Lexus is the best choice.

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Re: Father DeCelles declares war on the FCPS system
Posted by: gauss ()
Date: June 26, 2015 05:59PM

#s Wrote:
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> Former Parishioner Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > As it is, I notice that the good pastor has no
> one
> > defending his remarks on domestic violence.
>
>
> No need, the numbers speak for themselves....
>
> src=http://family-studies.org/wp-content/uploads/2
> 015/01/zill-figure-1.jpg>
>
>
> Source: Zill, N. (2014). Analysis of public use
> microdata file from 2011-12 National Survey of
> Children’s Health, National Center for Health
> Statistics, U.S. Centers for Disease Control and
> Prevention.
>
> src=http://family-studies.org/wp-content/uploads/2
> 015/01/zill-figure-2-e1420466641644.jpg>
>
> Source: Zill, N. (2014). Analysis of public use
> microdata file from 2011-12 National Survey of
> Children’s Health, National Center for Health
> Statistics, U.S. Centers for Disease Control and
> Prevention.

Where are the regression coefficients, t-statistics, etc.?

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Re: Father DeCelles declares war on the FCPS system
Posted by: Rocknroll7 ()
Date: June 27, 2015 08:20AM

Yeah, fcps are morally failing and feel for the kids stuck in them. Until voters elect people that will restore some sanity in them, DeCelles is right - get out if you can. If you can't, school them afterwards as to right and wrong because they sure are not getting it in school.

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Re: Father DeCelles declares war on the FCPS system
Posted by: DeCelles = Problem ()
Date: June 27, 2015 11:28AM

DeCelles is a certifiable nut case. He once told children at the Christmas morning mass that there is no Santa Claus. He also lectures parishoners in the pews for making too much noise or taking a child to the bathroom. His self-righteousness is off the charts?

If the church wasn't so short of priests, DeCelles would have been canned long ago.

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Re: Father DeCelles declares war on the FCPS system
Posted by: J. Vianney ()
Date: June 27, 2015 01:58PM

Once a priest, always a priest. It's impossible to "can" a priest.

If you mean "remove from pubic ministry," that's a different matter, but, even here, pastors have certain rights although they are to show obedience to their bishops.

(I knew Fr. de Celles when he was a parochial vicar in Centreville and I, for one, would happily welcome him to my parish. The church needs more like him, not fewer.)

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Re: Father DeCelles declares war on the FCPS system
Posted by: mark j ()
Date: June 27, 2015 09:45PM

Native 1960 Wrote:
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> Father DeCelle knows the truth hurts. It's not
> easy to be Catholic. All those rules interfere
> with the half Catholics. FCPS is a over rated
> collection of liberal self serving pension
> awaiting failures. Any catholic parent who sends
> their kid to FCPS should think long and hard if
> the Lexus is the best choice.


Agreed 1000+

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Re: Father DeCelles declares war on the FCPS system
Posted by: causeican ()
Date: June 27, 2015 10:27PM

DeCelles = Problem Wrote:
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> DeCelles is a certifiable nut case. He once told
> children at the Christmas morning mass that there
> is no Santa Claus. He also lectures parishoners
> in the pews for making too much noise or taking a
> child to the bathroom. His self-righteousness is
> off the charts?
>
> If the church wasn't so short of priests, DeCelles
> would have been canned long ago.


There is no Santa Clause, In the pews, you should be quiet and children use the bathroom because they are bored. It is disruptive and the parents should have them use the bathroom before church. DeCelles is right. You are just Butthurt and bitter. Grow-up and stop whining

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Re: Father DeCelles declares war on the FCPS system
Posted by: Quality Watcher ()
Date: June 27, 2015 10:38PM

DeCelles = Problem Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> DeCelles is a certifiable nut case. He once told
> children at the Christmas morning mass that there
> is no Santa Claus. He also lectures parishoners
> in the pews for making too much noise or taking a
> child to the bathroom. His self-righteousness is
> off the charts?
>
> If the church wasn't so short of priests, DeCelles
> would have been canned long ago.

No families with kids goes to the Christmas morning mass. He revealed the truth about Santa to a church full of adults.

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Re: Father DeCelles declares war on the FCPS system
Posted by: ChurchMonitor ()
Date: June 28, 2015 06:54AM

Quality Watcher Wrote:
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> DeCelles = Problem Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > DeCelles is a certifiable nut case. He once
> told
> > children at the Christmas morning mass that
> there
> > is no Santa Claus. He also lectures
> parishoners
> > in the pews for making too much noise or taking
> a
> > child to the bathroom. His self-righteousness
> is
> > off the charts?
> >
> > If the church wasn't so short of priests,
> DeCelles
> > would have been canned long ago.
>
> No families with kids goes to the Christmas
> morning mass. He revealed the truth about Santa
> to a church full of adults.

Not true. Kids do go to Mass on Christmas. DeCelles is a sad, angry little man. I have seen him lecture parents during Mass about their babies making too much noise in the pews. Babies! It is super awkward. This man has driven more Catholics away from the Church than any priest I know.

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Re: Father DeCelles declares war on the FCPS system
Posted by: Saint Nicholas ()
Date: June 28, 2015 07:35AM

J. Vianney Wrote:
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>
> If you mean "remove from pubic ministry,"

Is that how they discipline pedophile priests?

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Re: Father DeCelles declares war on the FCPS system
Posted by: native 1960 ()
Date: June 28, 2015 07:50AM

Their is no Dignity in Sodomy!!! Every non mentally ill person knows that homosexual sex is wrong and un natural and very perverted. Homosexuals know this and like women who have abortions they want it legal so they won't feel as guilty about their immoral choices. Homosexual men are in it for the hardcore sex. They know a long term relationship won't work for them as they crave anal sex from strangers. The sodomite know they are mentally ill and they are basically sex addicted men with no conscious. When your so addicted like them women don't provide the excitement they desire. The average homo will have sex with a stranger because they don't want to know their partner because they know it is very wrong. Homosexuality is truly a mental illness.

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Re: Father DeCelles declares war on the FCPS system
Posted by: God Bless Father DeCelles ()
Date: June 28, 2015 01:33PM

The Catholics, indeed all Christians need to become as organized and militant as the gays and transexuals. They need to vote out the "evil three" of McElveen, Moon and Velkoff. These people are perverting the schools to their own purposes and need to go.

Soon the day will come when "Brokeback Mountain" is shown in schools as an example of an appropriate lifestyle.

Soon the day will come when taxes double or triple to fund the construction projects needed for the homosexuals and transexuals as well as the new lesson plans about their lifestyles.

The Koreans will take over the schools, and YOUR KIDS won't be able to get an education, they will end up detailing the Koreans cars and doing menial work in their companies.

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Re: Father DeCelles declares war on the FCPS system
Posted by: IJS ()
Date: June 28, 2015 08:28PM

God Bless Father DeCelles Wrote:
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> The Catholics, indeed all Christians need to
> become as organized and militant as the gays and
> transexuals. They need to vote out the "evil
> three" of McElveen, Moon and Velkoff. These people
> are perverting the schools to their own purposes
> and need to go.
>
> Soon the day will come when "Brokeback Mountain"
> is shown in schools as an example of an
> appropriate lifestyle.
>
> Soon the day will come when taxes double or triple
> to fund the construction projects needed for the
> homosexuals and transexuals as well as the new
> lesson plans about their lifestyles.
>
> The Koreans will take over the schools, and YOUR
> KIDS won't be able to get an education, they will
> end up detailing the Koreans cars and doing menial
> work in their companies.

Get help for your paranoia. And your obsession with gay sex and Koreans.

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Re: Father DeCelles declares war on the FCPS system
Posted by: Back to the Future ()
Date: June 28, 2015 09:19PM

When you are paying double property taxes, about $1000 in a special school tax, when the schools have classes in Korean thanks to Ilryong Moon and a big chunk of the day is tied up with Boosterthon, transexual rights, and gay marriage discussions, you may wish you had taken a stand against what is going on in the schools now.

Just think of your kids, cleaning the toilets at Korean BBQ places in Annandale because they can't get any other work. Just think of your kids being confused sexually. Just think of your kids hustling for fundraising pledges year round.

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Re: Father DeCelles declares war on the FCPS system
Posted by: Former St. Ray ()
Date: July 06, 2015 01:12PM

Perhaps a new bumper sticker is in order:

"FR. DeCELLES: DESTROYING SAINT RAYMOND'S ONE PARISHIONER AT A TIME"

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Re: Father DeCelles declares war on the FCPS system
Posted by: daboo77 ()
Date: July 06, 2015 05:40PM

Just getting rid of the ex-Catholics who were just hanging around for the socializing

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Re: Father DeCelles declares war on the FCPS system
Posted by: November ()
Date: July 06, 2015 06:11PM


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Re: Father DeCelles declares war on the FCPS system
Posted by: Advocate for the Devil ()
Date: July 06, 2015 07:04PM

daboo77 Wrote:
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> Just getting rid of the ex-Catholics who were just
> hanging around for the socializing


DeCelles should not be a pastor or be having any contact at all with actual parishioners. He is a menace to the faith. When the pope replaces the bishop in a few months, DeCelles will lose his top cover.

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Re: Father DeCelles declares war on the FCPS system
Posted by: DecellesSellstheFaith ()
Date: July 06, 2015 07:31PM

Like we'd expect anything other than a scathing attack on a priest on FFU. Love the Lexus comment, and good luck if your kids are stuck in FCPS. Vote to get back control of them so my tax dollars are not wasted. Otherwise Catholic schools have been around forever and are a great alternative for over 100 years.

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Re: Father DeCelles declares war on the FCPS system
Posted by: 6513occ ()
Date: July 07, 2015 10:54AM

Fr. De Celles is the man. He has enemies because he actually stands for something.

Disgruntled current/former St. Raymond's parishoners are the types of Catholics who want to go to church to sing Kumbaya and hear about how much Jesus loves them. And maybe score a free donut after Mass.

They're totally uninterested in hearing about actual Catholic teaching, witnessing the beauty of authentic Catholic liturgy, and you know, learning about how we and our families can avoid hell and gain entry to Heaven.

If you are looking to be challenged in your faith and challenged to live a better life, go to St. Raymond's. Otherwise, you probably won't like it there and will need to look for something more vanilla to validate your sinful life.

I am a terrible sinner and love going to St. Raymond's to get my ass kicked every week so I can actually make some real progress in my faith.

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Re: Father DeCelles declares war on the FCPS system
Posted by: Fr. DeCelles is right about FCPS ()
Date: July 07, 2015 11:24AM

FCPS is bloated, corrupt, and ineffective. Millions spent on consultants, travel, and do-nothing bureaucrats, and the scores go down, down, DOWN. Fallen, fallen, fallen, is FCPS the great.

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Re: Father DeCelles declares war on the FCPS system
Posted by: mark j ()
Date: July 07, 2015 07:33PM

6513occ you are spot on!! agreed 1000% ..see you on donut SUnday

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Re: Father DeCelles declares war on the FCPS system
Posted by: 8750 ()
Date: July 07, 2015 08:23PM

6513occ Wrote:
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> Disgruntled current/former St. Raymond's
> parishoners are the types of Catholics who want to
> go to church to sing Kumbaya and hear about how
> much Jesus loves them. And maybe score a free
> donut after Mass.
>
> They're totally uninterested in hearing about
> actual Catholic teaching, witnessing the beauty of
> authentic Catholic liturgy, and you know, learning
> about how we and our families can avoid hell and
> gain entry to Heaven.

You can bet you've created a God in your own image when He hates all the same people you do. Nice work you've done there

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Re: Father DeCelles declares war on the FCPS system
Posted by: papa Frank ()
Date: July 07, 2015 10:36PM

8750 Wrote:
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> 6513occ Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Disgruntled current/former St. Raymond's
> > parishoners are the types of Catholics who want
> to
> > go to church to sing Kumbaya and hear about how
> > much Jesus loves them. And maybe score a free
> > donut after Mass.
> >
> > They're totally uninterested in hearing about
> > actual Catholic teaching, witnessing the beauty
> of
> > authentic Catholic liturgy, and you know,
> learning
> > about how we and our families can avoid hell
> and
> > gain entry to Heaven.
>
> You can bet you've created a God in your own image
> when He hates all the same people you do. Nice
> work you've done there

Word. The DeCelles fanboy has got things exactly backwards. Stealing from the Boy Scouts was as bad as the moneychangers in the temple. Everyone needs a pastor. DeCelles doesn't get to pick and choose his flock.

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Re: Father DeCelles declares war on the FCPS system
Posted by: DeCelles ()
Date: July 08, 2015 06:31PM

Father DeCelles is an accountant as was brought to St. Ray's to clean up the mess. His intolerant, hateful and narrow minded spews of vomit from the pulpit will be short lived (at least in Catholic timelines). He's the kind of priest who covers up sex abuse charges. I know more former members of St. Rays than current members.

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Re: Father DeCelles declares war on the FCPS system
Posted by: jbEN7 ()
Date: July 08, 2015 06:40PM

I applaud his efforts to stand up to the school system.

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Re: Father DeCelles declares war on the FCPS system
Posted by: Are you serious? ()
Date: July 08, 2015 09:19PM

DeCelles Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Father DeCelles is an accountant as was brought to
> St. Ray's to clean up the mess. His intolerant,
> hateful and narrow minded spews of vomit from the
> pulpit will be short lived (at least in Catholic
> timelines). He's the kind of priest who covers up
> sex abuse charges. I know more former members of
> St. Rays than current members.


What mess was there to clean up?

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Re: Father DeCelles declares war on the FCPS system
Posted by: Questionablechange ()
Date: July 08, 2015 10:39PM

wow, surprised to see much support for decelles on this site!

We are parishioners and also public school employee. He was kind of out of line to tell parents they need to remove their kids. Catholic schools aren't perfect and homeschooling isn't always an option. we agree 100% with the teachings and his homilies but the delivery stinks and not for kids ears which is terribly frustrating!

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Re: Father DeCelles declares war on the FCPS system
Posted by: He's at it again this week ()
Date: July 09, 2015 08:58AM

Just read this weeks July 12th letter to parishioners since we'll be traveling on Sunday. Now he's admonishing every priest in the Diocese who acknowledges a child during Communion. Coupled with his fixation on sex, I think its time to consider neighboring options....my children deserve a loving relationship with God, not the divisiveness that we've come to expect each week here. Christianity is love and understanding...Fr. DeCelles offers neither.

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Re: Father DeCelles declares war on the FCPS system
Posted by: Um, yeah ()
Date: July 09, 2015 10:00AM

DeCelles is a jerk, but he's actually correct about the blessings & other stuff during communion. It isn't permitted and shouldn't be happening.

Except for a couple of points in the Mass where the priest is permitted to add relevant comments of his own choosing (besides the homily) they are not supposed to mess around with the script as written in the Roman Missal, which has the words printed in black and the actions printed in red. For every priest that wants to add an "inclusive" practice like this one, there's another who wants to get rid of or move something that doesn't fit his conservative view. So they are all supposed to stick to the missal so it doesn't turn into a free-for-all, which has happened many times even around here.

We did leave the parish after being very involved from the beginning because of him, but I do have to give the devil his due on this one.

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Re: Father DeCelles declares war on the FCPS system
Posted by: Reply to Um, yeah ()
Date: July 09, 2015 10:33AM

Interesting take: as they say "Even a blind squirrel sometimes finds a nut."

We too left, in our case due to the constant negative attacks we experienced week after week; never a positive sermon.

Unfortunately, the love, compassion, and community that we had at West Springfield HS and the firehall is long gone. We are now, as a Nativity parishioner called us, one of the many "DeCelle Refugees" welcomed into their flock. Hopefully we can one day return to the church that we built through the efforts of Fr. Sal (faults and all), and Fr. Gould.

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Re: Father DeCelles declares war on the FCPS system
Posted by: Um, yeah ()
Date: July 09, 2015 11:10AM

Reply to Um, yeah Wrote:
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> Interesting take: as they say "Even a blind
> squirrel sometimes finds a nut."
>
> We too left, in our case due to the constant
> negative attacks we experienced week after week;
> never a positive sermon.
>
> Unfortunately, the love, compassion, and community
> that we had at West Springfield HS and the
> firehall is long gone. We are now, as a Nativity
> parishioner called us, one of the many "DeCelle
> Refugees" welcomed into their flock. Hopefully we
> can one day return to the church that we built
> through the efforts of Fr. Sal (faults and all),
> and Fr. Gould.

I'm just glad the Nativity folks have been so welcoming to us as well! It is a pity that our community was a casualty of DeCelles' attitudes, but we had a good run, even with Sal's shenanigans. I thought it was a shame that DeCelles did not seem to appreciate a good assignment when he got it, but I guess he's just that way.

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Re: Father DeCelles declares war on the FCPS system
Posted by: questionablechange ()
Date: July 09, 2015 11:32AM

We still like the parish and the CCD program. For now, we just pay attention to who is saying Mass or go to another parish. I feel there will be changes when we have a new Bishop. I, too, wish we could just get a positive encouraging homily every now and again instead of the constant never ending gay marriage homilies, using every vocab word possible, on repeat, with children listening to all of it.

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Re: Father DeCelles declares war on the FCPS system
Posted by: Um, yeah ()
Date: July 09, 2015 12:07PM

It really depends on what kind of guy the new Bishop is, and when he is appointed. Loverde's retirement may not be accepted by the Vatican for a long time, so there is no guarantee that anything will change this fall. Also, most Bishops and pastors wait several months before making any changes when they come to a new place. However, DeCelles was apparently absent the day they went over that lesson in the seminary!

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Re: Father DeCelles declares war on the FCPS system
Posted by: any better ideas? ()
Date: July 09, 2015 12:12PM

I'm not Catholic and I like what DeCelles is saying about the schools. Garza is a failed leader, and the school board is no better than a room of monkeys.

All of you who are putting down DeCelles, do something constructive. Double taxation for the schools? That's what Patty Reed's office had to say. They have to cover the shortfall, pay for these gender issues, and hire some experts to teach the teachers how to teach today's kids. Nonsense, I say.

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Re: Father DeCelles declares war on the FCPS system
Posted by: questionablechange ()
Date: July 09, 2015 12:35PM

again this week. The unpredictable part is whether this makes it in the homilies or not...going and being anxious about what will be in the homily. :(

http://bulletins.discovermass.com/download.php?bulletin=6wD1fSaNPYRvPv68ITAjBdF7AvSNIK9TlKA25mERIW1PaqFfOf26j3JYCfj293vphbqTfWaS5ALCdBOIKTRiPA%3D%3D

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Re: Father DeCelles declares war on the FCPS system
Posted by: Biblical Analysis ()
Date: July 09, 2015 01:40PM

Karen Garza = Harlot of Babylon

Ryan McElveen = Judas Iscariot

Tammy Kaufax = Woman at Well (also a HARLOT)

Ilryong Moon = Antichrist

Angela Atwater = Jezebel

Gatehouse = Sodom and Gomorrah

Ted Velkoff = Herod

Nardos King = Baalam's Ass

Steve Lockard = Gog

Patty Reed = Magog

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Re: Father DeCelles declares war on the FCPS system
Posted by: um - a comment ()
Date: July 09, 2015 01:45PM

Wow - its refreshing to know that my husband and I are not the only ex-St. Raymond's who follow our former parish. May we all meet again in happier days!!!

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Re: Father DeCelles declares war on the FCPS system
Posted by: er - a response ()
Date: July 09, 2015 02:25PM

um - a comment Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Wow - its refreshing to know that my husband and I
> are not the only ex-St. Raymond's who follow our
> former parish. May we all meet again in happier
> days!!!

yes, there are at least 6 of you. You guys should go to a Lutheran Church. They have drunk the liberal BS KoolAid by the bucketful. You'll be much happier thinking the Bible is just a fairy tale and no one is being judged short of Hitler or Ted Bundy. Happy, Happy, Happy.

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Re: Father DeCelles declares war on the FCPS system
Posted by: um, yeah ()
Date: July 09, 2015 02:41PM

um - a comment Wrote:
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> Wow - its refreshing to know that my husband and I
> are not the only ex-St. Raymond's who follow our
> former parish. May we all meet again in happier
> days!!!

Here's hoping! Maybe a Trailer Rats Reunion at the Holy Fire Hall!

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Re: Father DeCelles declares war on the FCPS system
Posted by: um, yeah - redux ()
Date: July 09, 2015 03:18PM

Only a true St. Raymond's original parishioner would remember the "Trailer Rats." Those were the days - rain, sleet, snow, and hail notwithstanding - we would face it all to be ready for Mass. Thanks for the memory.

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Re: Father DeCelles declares war on the FCPS system
Posted by: j4vU9 ()
Date: July 09, 2015 03:24PM

questionablechange Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> again this week. The unpredictable part is whether
> this makes it in the homilies or not...going and
> being anxious about what will be in the homily.
> :(
>
> http://bulletins.discovermass.com/download.php?bul
> letin=6wD1fSaNPYRvPv68ITAjBdF7AvSNIK9TlKA25mERIW1P
> aqFfOf26j3JYCfj293vphbqTfWaS5ALCdBOIKTRiPA%3D%3D


Looks like the Father rocks! after reading that bulletin!

I guess all the libs want to leave, because they're offended.
Time for you all to find an anything goes type of venue, I suppose.

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Re: Father DeCelles declares war on the FCPS system
Posted by: Um, yeah ()
Date: July 09, 2015 03:42PM

questionablechange Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> again this week. The unpredictable part is whether
> this makes it in the homilies or not...going and
> being anxious about what will be in the homily.
> :(
>
> http://bulletins.discovermass.com/download.php?bul
> letin=6wD1fSaNPYRvPv68ITAjBdF7AvSNIK9TlKA25mERIW1P
> aqFfOf26j3JYCfj293vphbqTfWaS5ALCdBOIKTRiPA%3D%3D

Most priests are careful in their choice of words to get the message across to the adults without exposing the youngsters to things not proper for their ears. I guess DeCelles skipped that class too. Sad.

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Re: Father DeCelles declares war on the FCPS system
Posted by: to j4vU9 ()
Date: July 09, 2015 03:45PM

j4vU9 Wrote:
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>
> Looks like the Father rocks! after reading that
> bulletin!
>
> I guess all the libs want to leave, because
> they're offended.
> Time for you all to find an anything goes type of
> venue, I suppose.

You're not a Catholic, are you?

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Re: Father DeCelles declares war on the FCPS system
Posted by: questionablechange ()
Date: July 09, 2015 05:55PM

whatever! We completely follow the church teachings and agree with everything he preaches about. That doesn't mean there needs to be several homilies in a row about gay marriage (with repeated vocab terms) or a whole paragraph focused on girls kissing on the soccer team. We have heard other priests get their point across about this topic without getting graphic and repeating it weekly.

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Re: Father DeCelles declares war on the FCPS system
Posted by: Canon lawyered ()
Date: July 09, 2015 08:26PM

DeCelles has finally jumped the shark! In his letter, he says "we cannot become obsessed with the issue of homosexuality...." Ha! I have never met anybody more obsessed with homosexuality than he is!

Same-sex marriage is the law of the land. It's not the law of the Catholic Church. DeCelles can't seem to separate the two.

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Re: Father DeCelles declares war on the FCPS system
Posted by: Theology 101 ()
Date: July 09, 2015 08:45PM

"Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and render unto God that which is God's"

Just because it is the law of the land doesn't make it right. The next time you say that, just think of two words: "Manzanar" and "Waterboarding" and try again.

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Re: Father DeCelles declares war on the FCPS system
Posted by: Yj9CK ()
Date: July 09, 2015 09:04PM

Theology 101 Wrote:
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> "Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and
> render unto God that which is God's"
>
> Just because it is the law of the land doesn't
> make it right. The next time you say that, just
> think of two words: "Manzanar" and "Waterboarding"
> and try again.

So, civil marriage is Caesar's and the Sacrament of Matrimony belongs to God.

Deal with it - it ain't going away no matter what we believe.

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Re: Father DeCelles declares war on the FCPS system
Posted by: Logic Fail ()
Date: July 09, 2015 09:07PM

Theology 101 Wrote:
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> "Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and
> render unto God that which is God's"
>
> Just because it is the law of the land doesn't
> make it right. The next time you say that, just
> think of two words: "Manzanar" and "Waterboarding"
> and try again

That piece of paper is Caeser's not God's. It's a state marriage license, not a holy one.

Just because it is the law of the land doesn't make it right....but it doesn't make it wrong either. Take a course in reason instead of theology and do us all a favor.

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Re: Father DeCelles declares war on the FCPS system
Posted by: Logic Fail ()
Date: July 09, 2015 09:09PM

Yj9CK - nice mind meld!

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