The guy who kept my natural gas air conditioner running for years is in a nursing home now. Any good companies still work on them??

Well, I just learned something new. Had never heard of such a thing. I had to Google it.
What do you like about that kind of a system?

Maybe you should move into the 21st century bud.

A natural gas A/C? That just sounds fucked up.

Coolio Wrote:
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> Maybe you should move into the 21st century bud.
>
> A natural gas A/C? That just sounds fucked up.


Which means you know nothing about these systems.

home hot Wrote:
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> The guy who kept my natural gas air conditioner
> running for years is in a nursing home now. Any
> good companies still work on them??


MIFCO in Manassas still has a guy that works on them.

(703) 368-3331

Gas A-C is making a comeback!

http://www.gasairconditioning.org/residential.htm

Anyone have a ballpark estimate on a new gas system for a ~2500 SqFt 2 level home?

This is new construction pending, getting my numbers together!!! Already have my solar quotes and picked that out.... :)

ammonia ...

Flash point flammable gas
Autoignition
temperature
651 °C (1,204 °F; 924 K)
Explosive limits 15–28%

natural gas boilers - steam danger, and heat source for igniting ammonia

"i'd put it indoors, next to my mother in-laws room, to keep it clean"

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probably you want to insure your unit is repairable if it needs maintenance - that might become a problem if you get a custom technology install - be it good or wrong

efficiency well. figure the btu (as measured by you being in a room with it - not beleiving a fucking thing for the label or ads)

and compare the trouble of it all with the $bill. check to see if it's made and serviced in The USA by your good neighbors not some foreigner who's trying to bankrupt america

then ask your horse is your right - and hurry up there's not allot of sun left to decide

i just hang around in the shopping mall when it's hot out. chance to pick up babes too.

Don't hire MIFCO. It's a shit show there, owned by the crooked mayor and his family.

Manasshole Wrote:
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> Don't hire MIFCO. It's a shit show there, owned
> by the crooked mayor and his family.


I had to call them, they were my only option. They got me going for about 300 bucks. I love gas air conditioners. Back in the 60s and 70s most people in this area got their A/C from washington gas and light. You could even borrow the money to have one put in and make payments on your gas bill. The electric company simply did not have the infrastructure to cool us. I have a sump pump back up battery rigged to my gas A/C and my unit will cool for 6 or 7 hours if the power goes out, I love that!

Gas A/C... the thing in your car... the natual gas runs and engine with a compressor attached. I think this is the concept.

Just get a nat gas generator and run your ac with it. Same shit.

Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
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> Just get a nat gas generator and run your ac with
> it. Same shit.


Uhm no.

The technology of absorption refrigeration has been used for cooling purposes for over a hundred years now.
Attachments:

This is how the Amish design their refrigerators and freezers.

Lebanon Levi Wrote:
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> This is how the Amish design their refrigerators
> and freezers.


I have a propane powered fridge in my rv. It works great!

Im looking for someone to service a Arkla-Servel in the Clifton area. Does anyone have any recommendations? MIFCO said their gas A-C man retired.

Airmasters in Centreville, VA. 703-830-7550

It's an Amish AC lol. No electricity required.

Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
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> It's an Amish AC lol. No electricity required.


Gas refrigerators and freezers require no electricity but not so for air conditioners, you still have two fan motors to run. Gas A/C was very common in this area in the 1970s. It was often the only option in the suburbs because of limits on electric infrastructure at that time. Washington gas even serviced, sold and financed them back then.

A-C man Wrote:
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> Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > It's an Amish AC lol. No electricity required.
>
>
> Gas refrigerators and freezers require no
> electricity but not so for air conditioners, you
> still have two fan motors to run. Gas A/C was very
> common in this area in the 1970s. It was often the
> only option in the suburbs because of limits on
> electric infrastructure at that time. Washington
> gas even serviced, sold and financed them back
> then.


Gerry does not do well with facts, or reality of any kind.

Gerry is factually correct. Rural folks used gas refrigeration units ages ago. I worked on 2 of the a/c units for a client 30 years ago. It uses flame from flammable gas to change gaseous ammonia back to a liquid state instead of an modern electric motor driven compressor using freon. I finally talked her into replacing the units because the system od tubes holding the sealed system of ammonia was deteriorating. I didn't want a large quantity of raw ammonia leaking out hand hurting some one. The system sent only cooled water into the a frame in the house.

How does one use a flame (to heat gas, it seems) to convert gaseous ammonia to a liquid state. which connotes a much cooler, rather than hotter, temperature?

Not saying that the laws of thermodynamics precludes such a system from operating, just questioning the description provided in the below post.


just passen through Wrote:
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> Gerry is factually correct. Rural folks used gas
> refrigeration units ages ago. I worked on 2 of the
> a/c units for a client 30 years ago. It uses flame
> from flammable gas to change gaseous ammonia back
> to a liquid state instead of an modern electric
> motor driven compressor using freon. I finally
> talked her into replacing the units because the
> system od tubes holding the sealed system of
> ammonia was deteriorating. I didn't want a large
> quantity of raw ammonia leaking out hand hurting
> some one. The system sent only cooled water into
> the a frame in the house.

Look at a phase diagram for ammonia.

Using partial pressure, you can boil the ammonia on the indoor side (and remove heat) and on the outdoor side (at high pressure) condense the gaseous ammonia to liquid. Use heat to create the higher pressures for the condenser.

That's the expansion valves in the diagram above. It separates/controls the pressure regions.

I think #2 on the diagram is an attempt to cool the superheat region.

D7ymC

UhjCG Wrote:
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> Airmasters in Centreville, VA. 703-830-7550


They do NOT service absorption units.

The Airmasters guy who was a Arkla-servell expert has passed away. Looks like I may have to buy a shitty electric A/C or heat pump unless anyone can tell me where I can find a good gas A/C man.

George Glass Wrote:
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> The Airmasters guy who was a Arkla-servell expert
> has passed away. Looks like I may have to buy a
> shitty electric A/C or heat pump unless anyone can
> tell me where I can find a good gas A/C man.


Yes, his name was Dan and he knew the Arkla Servell units inside and out. I need my A/S unit winterized shortly but there seems to be only one guy that will come all the way from Woodstock Virginia to do it. If anyone knows a good absorption man in the area please let us know Thanks!

Hey. I need the help of an experienced man. Now I have a small business related to the freezing of food and one of the refrigerators broke down. Can you tell me where I can find commercial refrigeration repair near me? My business is in Santa Barbara. Thanks in advance for any advice.

Griffith out of Maryland was my go to for gas A-C but they dont do it no more anybody know anyone else?

If you do the conversion math Gas A-C's have about a 6 seer. Do yourself a favor and get a electric system 14 seer or better.

I need my Arkla-Servel winterized soon. Does anyone know a good absorption man?

What century did you bring gas air conditioners from? Today, completely different ones are relevant, for example, you can buy modern and high-quality air conditioners here https://www.nationalairwarehouse.com/. Thanks to a rich selection, you will be able to choose for yourself a certain type of air conditioner that will not torment you with the smell of gas (I remember how much trouble I had six years ago from gas conditioners, it is a real hell). Time is changing and there are new versions of air conditioners

home hot Wrote:

> I had to call them, they were my only option. They
> got me going for about 300 bucks. I love gas air
> conditioners. Back in the 60s and 70s most people
> in this area got their A/C from washington gas and
> light. You could even borrow the money to have one
> put in and make payments on your gas bill. The
> electric company simply did not have the
> infrastructure to cool us. I have a sump pump back
> up battery rigged to my gas A/C and my unit will
> cool for 6 or 7 hours if the power goes out, I
> love that!


So, to summarize:

The electric company sucked in the 60s and 70s, so you had to get a gas powered ac, and still sucks because you need to back up your gas powered AC for those long duration power outages that same sucky electric company has.

Ahh, good old Virginia Power. Only electric company I know of that can have a 4-hour outage in perfectly clear weather.

Manasshole Wrote:
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> Don't hire MIFCO. It's a shit show there, owned
> by the crooked mayor and his family.


The mayor has since sold MIFCO and isn't running again. I guess that's the end of his political career.

I don't think anyone will miss Hal Parrish. He proved what a little bitch he is when he ran for Colgan's old seat.

Very Expensive Power Company Wrote:
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> home hot Wrote:
>
> > I had to call them, they were my only option.
> They
> > got me going for about 300 bucks. I love gas
> air
> > conditioners. Back in the 60s and 70s most
> people
> > in this area got their A/C from washington gas
> and
> > light. You could even borrow the money to have
> one
> > put in and make payments on your gas bill. The
> > electric company simply did not have the
> > infrastructure to cool us. I have a sump pump
> back
> > up battery rigged to my gas A/C and my unit
> will
> > cool for 6 or 7 hours if the power goes out, I
> > love that!
>
>
> So, to summarize:
>
> The electric company sucked in the 60s and 70s, so
> you had to get a gas powered ac, and still sucks
> because you need to back up your gas powered AC
> for those long duration power outages that same
> sucky electric company has.
>
> Ahh, good old Virginia Power. Only electric
> company I know of that can have a 4-hour outage in
> perfectly clear weather.


VA has cheap electricity, which is why we have so many datacenters here.

don't know how good you have it Wrote:

> VA has cheap electricity, which is why we have so
> many datacenters here.

Virginia Electric Power Company, aka VEPCO, got the nickname Very Expensive Power Company for a reason.

And those rates are only going to go up, if you've been paying any attention to what they've been up to.

VIRGINIA isn't even in the bottom 10!

https://www.electricrate.com/electricity-rates-by-state/

Bottom 10 Residential Electricity Rates by State in 2020
(cents per kWh for the latest month available)
No State Average Retail Price Average monthly bill (based on 1000 kWh usage)
1 Louisiana 7.71 $ 77.10
2 Arkansas 7.78 $ 77.80
3 Washington 8.00 $ 80.00
4 Oklahoma 8.09 $ 80.90
5 Wyoming 8.09 $ 80.90
6 Idaho 8.17 $ 81.70
7 Utah 8.21 $ 82.10
8 Texas 8.48 $ 84.80
9 Kentucky 8.52 $ 85.20
10 Nevada 8.67 $ 86.70

Washington gas found me a contractor to come down from Pennsylvania and service my Arkla-Servell. I love gas air conditioning!

Cool Doff Wrote:
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> Washington gas found me a contractor to come down
> from Pennsylvania and service my Arkla-Servell. I
> love gas air conditioning!

Thank god for Yankees with blue-collar skills!

We'd be FUCKED here in Virginia if we didn't have them!

d

Gas air conditioners and gas heat pumps are making a comeback.

https://gasairconditioning.com/

Gas air conditioners are good for folks living at the edge of the grid. Propane can be trucked in and provide a shit-ton of cooling where minimal electric is available.

encoupejas Wrote:
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> Air conditioners that run on gas are comfortable
> for rural residents because gas is cheaper than
> electricity. If you live in a city, the
> authorities will not allow you to use this
> dangerous device. I advise you not to take risks
> because gas conditioners are already the last
> century and today it is better to buy
> Easy Cool
> Breeze AC Review which will be a
> better option than gas conditioners that leave a
> lot of unpleasant waste. Dude, don't worry about
> where you can fix your old air conditioner, just
> throw it away and find something better and
> fresher

My friend was just looking for this information. Thanks!

encoupejas Wrote:
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> Air conditioners that run on gas are comfortable
> for rural residents because gas is cheaper than
> electricity. If you live in a city, the
> authorities will not allow you to use this
> dangerous device. I advise you not to take risks
> because gas conditioners are already the last
> century and today it is better to buy
> Easy Cool
> Breeze AC Review which will be a
> better option than gas conditioners that leave a
> lot of unpleasant waste. Dude, don't worry about
> where you can fix your old air conditioner, just
> throw it away and find something better and
> fresher


that shit sucks.

Gassey Wrote:
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> Gas air conditioners and gas heat pumps are making
> a comeback.
>
> https://gasairconditioning.com/


Awesome info. Thanks!

I read somewhere that they are dangerous and can burn. I'm not sure that it is exactly the same model. I'd recommend you for your safety to look for the Best Air Cooler in India because you have to understand which brand do you need and how long will you use it. Also, the freezer is very important because if it will work bad you won't be able to keep different types of meat there and I think this will be a real problem. Soon I'm going to buy a Liebherr I can't wait already. I know that this is the best refrigerator in the world.



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Cooley service in Marshall va works on gas air conditioners and heat pumps. They charge a 80 dollar travel fee to come to Fairfax though.

If you still use a gas a-c Washington gas will send a sub-contractor to your house and you can even pay for the service over time on your gas bill.