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Re: >FCPS High School Music Programs 2015-16<
Posted by: Op Op Op Op ()
Date: December 23, 2015 09:43PM

bVuPX Wrote:
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> fortissimo Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Inappropriately charging 170 families is cruel.
> > Very cruel. Beyond cruel. It is VILE.
>
> But yet you encourage charging MORE in mandatory
> fees. You insist upon stopping assistance to low
> income students.


You are clearly under the influence of too much eggnog.

There is a difference between charging the maximum of what you are allowed to charge vs overcharging. When you are charging students for extra instructors for a class you are over/inappropriately charging. Another example-when you call a class an activity you are playing games with families and to use this to take advantage of them and charge them inappropriately in order to fill your bank account is despicable.

When you don't charge the maximum that you legally can, you are missing out on a great source of funding. And this does not give you the right to then put pressure on families to sell pies, etc.

OP was the one whom pointed out that the Equal Opportunity Fund was not clearly explained. Thus, it ended up in the Fee Notice for all to see. The low income class fees should be covered by the school system. The school system was putting this on the Boosters for years. OP is actually encouraging assistance to the low income kids and the assistance should also be appropriately offered. As in, they shouldn't have to go to the parents of their kid's friends and ask for help, which is what went on for years.

The assistance offered low income students for trips is between the Boosters and the Business Office and the IRS and your accountants. OP questions how realistic it is to try and heavily subsidize the trips enough in order to bring the price down to a point where each and every single child can afford these. Your dollars are limited. Do you want new equipment or a trip? You might have to pick one or the other if you insist on heavily subsidizing these optional trips.

Happy Holidays.

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Re: >FCPS High School Music Programs 2015-16<
Posted by: mTjyN ()
Date: December 23, 2015 10:36PM

Op Op Op Op Wrote:
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> bVuPX Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > fortissimo Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Inappropriately charging 170 families is
> cruel.
> > > Very cruel. Beyond cruel. It is VILE.
> >
> > But yet you encourage charging MORE in
> mandatory
> > fees. You insist upon stopping assistance to
> low
> > income students.
>
>
> You are clearly under the influence of too much
> eggnog.
>
> There is a difference between charging the maximum
> of what you are allowed to charge vs overcharging.
> When you are charging students for extra
> instructors for a class you are
> over/inappropriately charging. Another
> example-when you call a class an activity you are
> playing games with families and to use this to
> take advantage of them and charge them
> inappropriately in order to fill your bank account
> is despicable.
>
> When you don't charge the maximum that you legally
> can, you are missing out on a great source of
> funding. And this does not give you the right to
> then put pressure on families to sell pies, etc.
>
> OP was the one whom pointed out that the Equal
> Opportunity Fund was not clearly explained. Thus,
> it ended up in the Fee Notice for all to see. The
> low income class fees should be covered by the
> school system. The school system was putting this
> on the Boosters for years. OP is actually
> encouraging assistance to the low income kids and
> the assistance should also be appropriately
> offered. As in, they shouldn't have to go to the
> parents of their kid's friends and ask for help,
> which is what went on for years.
>
> The assistance offered low income students for
> trips is between the Boosters and the Business
> Office and the IRS and your accountants. OP
> questions how realistic it is to try and heavily
> subsidize the trips enough in order to bring the
> price down to a point where each and every single
> child can afford these. Your dollars are limited.
> Do you want new equipment or a trip? You might
> have to pick one or the other if you insist on
> heavily subsidizing these optional trips.
>
> Happy Holidays.

^^^^^^^
Handwaving

Original assertion confirmed. Nice try.

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Re: >FCPS High School Music Programs 2015-16<
Posted by: 12-24 ()
Date: December 24, 2015 07:02AM

There are about 170 FCPS families who probably should have a little more in their bank accounts for Christmas because it looks like somebody ignored the memo and got greedy, which is nothing new.

But, nobody at FCPS gives a hoot about fixing the problem. Because they love money and will stop at nothing.

THIS is sad. It really is.

How many others did the exact same thing?

Not to worry. Division Counsel will probably create an "excuse" to slide the deadline. They will probably blame it on the Boosters.

Happy Holidays.

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Re: >FCPS High School Music Programs 2015-16<
Posted by: 12-26 ()
Date: December 26, 2015 08:54AM

There seem to be a lot of school system staff who think that the school policies and state educational laws don't apply to them, they ignore the policies and laws, and in general cry and whine about them and try to get away with not doing what they say.

Here are two random principal and music teacher contracts showing that it is very obviously in both contracts that these policies and laws, etc. be followed.

#10-Failure of the Employee to fulfill this contract may constitute sufficient grounds for the termination of the contract by the School Board.

Well, this settles that once and for all.
Attachments:
two_contracts.pdf

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Re: >FCPS High School Music Programs 2015-16<
Posted by: twnnw ()
Date: December 26, 2015 11:33AM

>Here are two random principal and music teacher contracts


Two random contracts that happen to be the principal and band director at McLean?

Random...

You lead a sad existence, Mrs. Brown, considering your guns-a-blazin' palpable hatred of the McLean band program, especially considering you have no connection to it other than as a property owner in Fairfax County (and as a self-styled freedom-fighter for the poor, downtrodden families who are being overcharged).

You know those 170 families you've been referring to above can take care of themselves, don't you? They have no need of someone from an inferior socio-economic stratum (that's you, B.B.) defending them from their own school.

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Re: >FCPS High School Music Programs 2015-16<
Posted by: 12-26 ()
Date: December 26, 2015 02:39PM

Ah HA.

McLean changed their story. A recap---

A=the information put out in May. Jazz Band was an FCPS sponsored optional "activity". Oh really now?

Somebody said something. As in, "why then is it listed in the course catalog as a class"? Somebody kept asking. Over and over and over again. And->

B-the latest information on Jazz Band. It is indeed a class.

There is a big difference. A class and an activity are two very, very different things.

This isn't about hating McLean Band. It is called "they need to get their acts together". They are far from being alone.
Attachments:
McLean Jazz Band 2015 A and B.pdf

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Re: >FCPS High School Music Programs 2015-16<
Posted by: 12-26 ()
Date: December 26, 2015 03:27PM

This is interesting.

Note the question was basically "to whom was this form with the student ID number request sent". A form that was presented in May as being part of the registration packet. A form sent to all the kids in the program.

The answer clearly indicates that the student ID numbers were being sent to another student. A STUDENT. A S-T-U-D-E-N-T.

Do not, under any circumstances, allow your child's student ID number to be sent to another student. Don't send it to a parent volunteer, either. The published Guidelines prohibit this, even with an MOA.

The "new" form mentioned was something sent out to Longfellow kids.
Attachments:
McLeanCHARMS mystery.pdf

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Re: >FCPS High School Music Programs 2015-16<
Posted by: 12-27 ()
Date: December 27, 2015 07:27AM

Next thing you know kids will be keeping the grading records for the teachers.

Oh wait-my kid did exactly that. Not in music class. Something else.

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Re: >FCPS High School Music Programs 2015-16<
Posted by: 12-27 ()
Date: December 27, 2015 09:26AM

12-27 Wrote:
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> Next thing you know kids will be keeping the
> grading records for the teachers.
>
> Oh wait-my kid did exactly that. Not in music
> class. Something else.


C'est une histoire vraie.

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Re: >FCPS High School Music Programs 2015-16<
Posted by: Eutdejoihb ()
Date: December 27, 2015 10:08AM

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Re: >FCPS High School Music Programs 2015-16<
Posted by: 12-27 ()
Date: December 27, 2015 05:06PM

Eutdejoihb Wrote:
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> .


Well, you need to care. Why is a student messing with the CHARMS system? They aren't a parent and they don't work for the school system. They are a child. They have no business being in there.

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Re: >FCPS High School Music Programs 2015-16<
Posted by: 12-28 ()
Date: December 28, 2015 08:52AM

Hey McLean Band, they pulled a fast one on you last year, also.

1-They called Jazz Ensemble a CLASS. It was also in the course catalog.
2-They charged you an activity fee for an "FCPS sponsored optional activity". It even says it is to pay the Director (they can't do that).

Class/course fees are charged for classes. You can't be charged for extra instructors for classes.
Activity fees are charged for activities. They can charge you for extra instruction for these (like summer marching camp).

A class is NOT an activity.
An activity is NOT an independent class.
There can be additional optional activities associated with a class that can be charged out separately.
They shouldn't be charging you a course fee and an activity fee for the exact same thing.

Happy New Year.
Attachments:
McLean Jazz2014-15.pdf

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Re: >FCPS High School Music Programs 2015-16<
Posted by: This is crazy ()
Date: December 29, 2015 09:05PM

Barb:

Your crusade or witch hunt is having a negative effect on these teachers and music education. I am a parent that you allegedly are fighting for in one of these schools and I am appalled by the effect you are having on our teachers. These are good people who are trying to do good work for my children. You should consider going about this in a different way. Maybe you should start reaching out to these people directly to answer you concerns and questions rather than trashing them with your language here in a "public" forum. This is a cowardly way of blaming everybody for your personal problems with your particular experience.

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Re: >FCPS High School Music Programs 2015-16<
Posted by: growup ()
Date: December 29, 2015 09:26PM

12-26 Wrote:
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> The answer clearly indicates that the student ID
> numbers were being sent to another student. A
> STUDENT. A S-T-U-D-E-N-T.

Have you ever cruised through kids twitter pages these days? Not uncommon at all to see kids post their report cards online. With their student id on it. Seen it many a time.

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Re: >FCPS High School Music Programs 2015-16<
Posted by: 12-30 ()
Date: December 30, 2015 07:14AM

growup Wrote:
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> 12-26 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > The answer clearly indicates that the student
> ID
> > numbers were being sent to another student. A
> > STUDENT. A S-T-U-D-E-N-T.
>
> Have you ever cruised through kids twitter pages
> these days? Not uncommon at all to see kids post
> their report cards online. With their student id
> on it. Seen it many a time.


They certainly do need to grow up. And so do their parents.

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Re: >FCPS High School Music Programs 2015-16<
Posted by: 12-30 ()
Date: December 30, 2015 07:28AM

12-30 Wrote:
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> growup Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > 12-26 Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> >
> > > The answer clearly indicates that the student
> > ID
> > > numbers were being sent to another student. A
> > > STUDENT. A S-T-U-D-E-N-T.
> >
> > Have you ever cruised through kids twitter
> pages
> > these days? Not uncommon at all to see kids
> post
> > their report cards online. With their student
> id
> > on it. Seen it many a time.
>
>
> They certainly do need to grow up. And so do their
> parents.

And so do some of their teachers and administrators.

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Re: >FCPS High School Music Programs 2015-16<
Posted by: Shawn ()
Date: December 30, 2015 12:57PM

Are you trying to be helpful?

Why, then, aren't you approaching these schools privately with conversations that start with "I have some helpful suggestions"?

Instead you close one of your previous posts with "Happy Thanksgiving", which is passive aggressive at its best.

You are a spiteful person who only seems intent to either be right, or you want take these programs away.

PLEASE consider being helpful, and trying to work with these programs to resolve any issues you think there may be. They are not trying to get wealthy from this, they are simply trying to make the programs the best they can under the circumstances. They don't get the money they need to make these programs as strong as they can be. You should be gather your thoughts in an organized packet for each program separately so that you can provide your list of suggestions. Instead, you choose to shotgun off a ton of rants.

You're wasting a lot of great teachers' time with your abuse of the FOIA requests. Have you considered asking directly for information? These things are public so they're not hiding anything. You're creating a lot of busy work that could be avoided with one or two face to face meetings.

Instead you choose to drag these good teachers through the mud...


Using this forum isn't helping your cause, and only serves as a soapbox for you to preach to MAYVBE a handful of people.

I'm sorry that someone wronged you, but the hate you're carrying only serves to make you suffer.

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Re: >FCPS High School Music Programs 2015-16<
Posted by: 12-30 ()
Date: December 30, 2015 03:21PM

Barb will continue to legally harrass and emotionally terrorize these band directors because of an absolute perversion of the original intent of the FOIA.

You know who else was acting in accordance with the law?

Pontius Pilate.

Happy Holidays.

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Re: >FCPS High School Music Programs 2015-16<
Posted by: Put it out ()
Date: December 30, 2015 03:58PM

Barb you've obviously done a large amount of research. Why don't you put out a list, by school and director, of everything that you have found that you deem to be wrong, immoral, or illegal? Summarize it in one place. Put it all out there. Your argument over the years has become misguided, meandering, and confusing. You are making yourself appear to to be unbalanced. If you want people to know what you're talking about, summarize it for them by school and director. Give the parents a "one stop shop."

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Re: >FCPS High School Music Programs 2015-16<
Posted by: ***** ()
Date: December 30, 2015 04:00PM

If people are going to-

-overcharge students and not offer restitution, and even make up new names for their classes in order to do so (like an "activity/class")

-bully parents with the goal of extracting large amounts of money from them by making them feel guilty, making them feel inferior, treating them like crap, using creative terminology, twisting school policy around, ignoring school policy, taking advantage of their ignorance and dedication, lying to them, etc.

-ignore school policy and put undue pressure on children and parents to sell things and knock on doors begging

-ignore school policy and send out hundreds of field trip permission forms supposedly without obtaining written permission of the principal, and without obtaining proper safety information as required, and use school letterhead and forms and staff to solicit for a non-profit (what were you thinking?)

-funnel what are public funds into non-profit bank accounts, ignoring school policy and endangering the money and the officers

-create fraudulent spreadsheets

All with the to Hell with it purpose of supporting something that you want to do, then you can see it out there for all to learn from.

Just because you think you are a worthy cause does not justify this kind of behavior.

Bank robbers also think they have a worthy cause.

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Re: >FCPS High School Music Programs 2015-16<
Posted by: ***** ()
Date: December 30, 2015 04:30PM

Put it out Wrote:
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> If you want people to know what you're talking about,
> summarize it for them by school and director.
> Give the parents a "one stop shop."

It's a heck of a lot easier to just lump them all together. Find the mote in school A's eye and then loudly complain about the beam in school B's eye. Without mentioning which school you were talking about. Not everyone has the time to read through a 100 pages of disorganized and confusing messages that jump all over the place to try and figure it out.

Because you know: using the wrong form is THE SAME THING AS BANK ROBBERY!

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Re: >FCPS High School Music Programs 2015-16<
Posted by: Longer ()
Date: December 30, 2015 05:26PM

My name is Barb Brown and I endorse Donald Trump for President.

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Re: >FCPS High School Music Programs 2015-16<
Posted by: Shorter ()
Date: December 30, 2015 08:38PM

My name is Donald Trump and I support Barb Brown for Secretary of Education .

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Re: >FCPS High School Music Programs 2015-16<
Posted by: Just Right ()
Date: December 31, 2015 07:21AM

I think OP is doing a great job. Some of the other posters are obviously crazy, though.

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Re: >FCPS High School Music Programs 2015-16<
Posted by: Nice try ()
Date: December 31, 2015 09:35AM

Just Right Wrote:
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> I think OP is doing a great job. Some of the other
> posters are obviously crazy, though.


^^^^^^^^ nice try, Barb.

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Re: >FCPS High School Music Programs 2015-16<
Posted by: £ ()
Date: December 31, 2015 07:56PM

£

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Re: >FCPS High School Music Programs 2015-16<
Posted by: Ryan Seacrest ()
Date: December 31, 2015 09:28PM

My top 5 Barbarisms of 2015:

5. Grow up.
4. VILE
3. Rot in hell
2. BULLY
1. OP is doing a great job

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Foster's Follies
Posted by: Best of 2015 ()
Date: January 01, 2016 09:16AM

And the winner is..........
Attachments:
writ.wphs.redacted.8.3.2015.pdf

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Re: >FCPS High School Music Programs 2015-16<
Posted by: Whoisthiscrazylady ()
Date: January 01, 2016 09:34AM

Can Barb be FOIA-ed? How much money has she spent on these requests? How much time have people put into gathering the information she continuously requests? Can she be sued for harassment? "Emotionally Terrorize"? Really? Grow up Barb.

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Re: >FCPS High School Music Programs 2015-16<
Posted by: The Barb! ()
Date: January 01, 2016 11:52AM

I wonder what her boss at Reston Hospital thinks of all this. Or her husband.

Maybe we could FOIA some of her work records.

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Re: >FCPS High School Music Programs 2015-16<
Posted by: right............... ()
Date: January 06, 2016 05:48PM

12-24 Wrote:
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> There are about 170 FCPS families who probably
> should have a little more in their bank accounts
> for Christmas because it looks like somebody
> ignored the memo and got greedy, which is nothing
> new.
>
> But, nobody at FCPS gives a hoot about fixing the
> problem. Because they love money and will stop at
> nothing.
>
> THIS is sad. It really is.
>
> How many others did the exact same thing?
>
> Not to worry. Division Counsel will probably
> create an "excuse" to slide the deadline. They
> will probably blame it on the Boosters.
>
> Happy Holidays.
----------------------

As expected, they "lost" a hand-delivered deposit check with the name of the FOIA officer in great big print on the outside of a rather large envelope that was handed straight to a real live person.

"Lost."

Nice try. Foster can't come up with a more believable excuse than that?

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Re: >FCPS High School Music Programs 2015-16<
Posted by: Awww ()
Date: January 06, 2016 06:27PM

Too bad, bitch.

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Re: >FCPS High School Music Programs 2015-16<
Posted by: left......... ()
Date: January 06, 2016 08:22PM

Awww Wrote:
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> Too bad, bitch.


All those years of education and that's the best he could come up with. Where did they find this guy.

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Re: >FCPS High School Music Programs 2015-16<
Posted by: right....... ()
Date: January 07, 2016 04:23PM

The folks down at Gatehouse apparently didn't like the idea of a police detective from the Financial Crimes Division coming to Gatehouse to interview the Division Counsel, the FOIA officer, the person working at the front desk, etc. etc. etc. regarding CHECK THEFT and lucky for them somebody managed to pull the check out of their rear end.

Amazing that it takes 10 days to move a check from the first floor to the Penthouse.

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Re: >FCPS High School Music Programs 2015-16<
Posted by: plOkJ ()
Date: January 08, 2016 07:59PM

--------->Amazing that it takes 10 days to move a check from the first floor to the Penthouse.<-----------------


I heard all the elevators were broken.

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Re: >FCPS High School Music Programs 2015-16<
Posted by: *__* ()
Date: January 09, 2016 08:42PM

Larceny. Nice.

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Re: >FCPS High School Music Programs 2015-16<
Posted by: Attention whore ()
Date: January 09, 2016 08:59PM

*__* Wrote:
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> Larceny. Nice.


^^^Barb had to post. But nobody cares.

Go eat a dick.

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Re: >FCPS High School Music Programs 2015-16<
Posted by: Attention? You want it? ()
Date: January 10, 2016 02:31PM

http://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title18.2/chapter5/section18.2-98/

You want attention? Start making checks "disappear". You'll get it.

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Re: >FCPS High School Music Programs 2015-16<
Posted by: You want attention? ()
Date: January 10, 2016 02:47PM

Attention? You want it? Wrote:
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> http://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title18.2/chapt
> er5/section18.2-98/
>
> You want attention? Start making checks
> "disappear". You'll get it.


They are damn lucky somebody didn't shred it.

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Re: >FCPS High School Music Programs 2015-16<
Posted by: 987654321 ()
Date: January 11, 2016 08:51PM

You want attention? Wrote:
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> Attention? You want it? Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> http://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title18.2/chapt
>
> > er5/section18.2-98/
> >
> > You want attention? Start making checks
> > "disappear". You'll get it.
>
>
> They are damn lucky somebody didn't shred it.


Maybe they did.........

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Re: >FCPS High School Music Programs 2015-16<
Posted by: misterioso ()
Date: January 13, 2016 07:55PM

Hey McLean Band-

Mr. Weise sent you a letter at the beginning of last summer telling you that all marching rehearsals and performances were mandatory, including over the summer.

The Comptroller says Mr. Weise told him that he didn't care if the kids showed up for after school practices or not. In other words, your kid could show up on Friday evening for the game performances, or for the Saturday competitions, not rehearse all week, and this was completely totally fine with him. Week after week after week. No rehearsals needed. None. Nada. Zilch. Zero. Zip. Seriously. Your kids didn't have to show up for ANY rehearsals. Yet somehow they were going to be able to perform. That's The Word. Your kids could have all skipped all of that hard work and the juggling act and just show up. Yeh. Really!!!!!!!! You can't make this stuff up.

Hint-If Mr. Weise puts it this way they can double-charge you.

If your kid actually had to show up for after-school practices, you were most probably overcharged, and they don't want to pay you back.

Looking forward to an easier marching season in 2016????? What a deal.
Attachments:
mcleanmysteries2015.pdf

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Re: >FCPS High School Music Programs 2015-16<
Posted by: more fun ()
Date: January 13, 2016 09:02PM

> >
> >
> > They are damn lucky somebody didn't shred it.
>
>
> Maybe they did.........


They didn't. But it sounds like somebody told the Chairman of the School Board that this check had been mailed back to the issuer, who had stopped payment on it, telling the bank it might have been stolen. She then told the issuer it was on the way.

It was actually sitting somewhere around Gatehouse and had been for several days after it "showed up". Sounds like somebody tried to pull a fast one on Ms. Hynes. That isn't a nice thing to do.

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Re: >FCPS High School Music Programs 2015-16<
Posted by: Walter S. ()
Date: January 14, 2016 09:06AM

Oh what a tangled web we weave,
When first we practise to deceive!

Sir Walter Scott, Marmion, Canto vi. Stanza 17.
Scottish author & novelist (1771 - 1832)

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Re: >FCPS High School Music Programs 2015-16<
Posted by: booster reevolt ()
Date: January 14, 2016 09:45AM

***** Wrote:
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> If people are going to-
>
> -overcharge students and not offer restitution,
> and even make up new names for their classes in
> order to do so (like an "activity/class")
>
> -bully parents with the goal of extracting large
> amounts of money from them by making them feel
> guilty, making them feel inferior, treating them
> like crap, using creative terminology, twisting
> school policy around, ignoring school policy,
> taking advantage of their ignorance and
> dedication, lying to them, etc.
>
> -ignore school policy and put undue pressure on
> children and parents to sell things and knock on
> doors begging
>
> -ignore school policy and send out hundreds of
> field trip permission forms supposedly without
> obtaining written permission of the principal,
> and without obtaining proper safety information as
> required, and use school letterhead and forms and
> staff to solicit for a non-profit (what were you
> thinking?)
>
> -funnel what are public funds into non-profit bank
> accounts, ignoring school policy and endangering
> the money and the officers
>
> -create fraudulent spreadsheets
>
> All with the to Hell with it purpose of supporting
> something that you want to do, then you can see it
> out there for all to learn from.
>
> Just because you think you are a worthy cause does
> not justify this kind of behavior.
>
> Bank robbers also think they have a worthy cause.

And if none of that is the case, darling, then all your FOIAs have only served to rob the children of teacher attention, the parents of time, and the taxpayers of their lifeblood. All while making crappy, holding-on-by-their-fingernails schools less rewarding.

But you've got your moral victory, and that's all that matters.

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Re: >FCPS High School Music Programs 2015-16<
Posted by: 6574 ()
Date: January 14, 2016 10:30AM

If the schools cleaned up their business processes and quit running up all the tabs at the local restaurants they would have lots more time and money to get their work done. All the legal bills they ring up due to their sloppy work doesn't help matters, either.

If they do things properly and behave themselves, there is less need for the public to monitor what is going on.


Problem solved.

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Re: >FCPS High School Music Programs 2015-16<
Posted by: WHO? ()
Date: January 14, 2016 05:08PM

Who is paying for meals and running up tabs? Post names, schools, receipts. Be specific. These constant vague accusations are why nobody on this board takes you seriously.

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Re: >FCPS High School Music Programs 2015-16<
Posted by: Good Times for All ()
Date: January 14, 2016 05:31PM

http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/2/1365219.html

They can't get to their work because they are all swamped with keeping track of restaurant receipts and keeping those obligations, going to Nationals Games, checking into luxury hotels, golfing, planning parties, etc.

The money in this account can now be used for extra Finance Tech support to take some of the Admin load off of the teachers. Are you seeing that? There's money.

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Re: >FCPS High School Music Programs 2015-16<
Posted by: Who? ()
Date: January 14, 2016 06:45PM

The only thing that link proves is that you've been harassing people on this forum for years. Find another hobby. Settle your gripes with Dr. Newton directly instead of taking it out on good teachers.

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Re: >FCPS High School Music Programs 2015-16<
Posted by: Uhyg ()
Date: January 14, 2016 08:54PM

Good teachers don't try and scam families or overcharge them and want to follow school protocol. Good teachers have stories that are consistent and believable.

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Re: >FCPS High School Music Programs 2015-16<
Posted by: Uhyg ()
Date: January 14, 2016 09:04PM

Uhyg Wrote:
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> Good teachers don't try and scam families or
> overcharge them and want to follow school
> protocol. Good teachers have stories that are
> consistent and believable.


Good teachers and administrators also have the manners and guts to admit a mistake was made and take care of the families, instead of waffling on their story and coming up with flimsy excuses and leaving families in the lurch to bear the burden of their screw-ups.

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Re: >FCPS High School Music Programs 2015-16<
Posted by: lovingkindness ()
Date: January 14, 2016 10:16PM

Do you know anyone in this universe that is honest and competent? Besides yourself?

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Re: >FCPS High School Music Programs 2015-16<
Posted by: Uhyg ()
Date: January 15, 2016 07:10AM

lovingkindness Wrote:
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> Do you know anyone in this universe that is honest
> and competent? Besides yourself?


Yes. Lots of them. And when a mistake is made, and they ARE made, we try to apologize, try to make things right as best we can, and move on. Quickly, without undue procrastination.

But, you have to make an attempt to make things right instead of fabricating utterly ridiculous justifications for your behavior that anybody can see right through. It just makes you look even worse.

Yes, your kids "didn't have to show up for any practices" even though you were all told in writing that rehearsals were "required". Seriously!!!! All those drive-through and crockpot/microwave dinners, delayed homework, rushing to the school to make pickup time, childcare/work logistics... you could have skipped all that. Every single day. And your child could still have showed up in Friday night and on Saturday and marched and everything would have been just fine.

Right..........

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Re: >FCPS High School Music Programs 2015-16<
Posted by: WHmFT ()
Date: January 15, 2016 12:28PM

hmmm... do you know anyone that works in the FCPS administration, FCPS educators, or music volunteers/boosters that are honest and competent?

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Re: >FCPS High School Music Programs 2015-16<
Posted by: get over it ()
Date: January 15, 2016 05:34PM

Yes, I do know alot of FCPS music teachers and music boosters and administrators that are very competent and honest and hardworking and only want what is best for the students that they work with.

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Re: >FCPS High School Music Programs 2015-16<
Posted by: hgFj ()
Date: January 15, 2016 06:51PM

Teachers and administrators who make up conflicting stories that nobody could ever believe in order to take advantage of kids and their parents, and take great pride in doing things like thet, are despicable monsters and have a special place in Hell reserved just for them. Seen lots and lots of that. McLean wins the Grand Prize this year. Is that something to be proud of? It is sad. Really

There are also a lot of people who have made a supreme effort to clean this up, many of whom needed a major kick in the ass in order to do it. Seen lots of that.

There are some who on paper seem to be following protocol but it is tricky to get into the details.

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Re: >FCPS High School Music Programs 2015-16<
Posted by: XFYvj ()
Date: January 15, 2016 09:11PM

"There are some who on paper seem to be following protocol but it is tricky to get into the details."


So... when schools seem to be doing the right thing on paper, you're just going to assume that something unethical is going on?

Can't just give any positive credit for doing something right? Thought that was what you wanted. This is the reason why you come off as more interested in bashing than making improvement.

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Re: >FCPS High School Music Programs 2015-16<
Posted by: Kevin P. ()
Date: January 16, 2016 08:18PM

misterioso Wrote:
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> Hey McLean Band-
>
> Mr. Weise sent you a letter at the beginning of
> last summer telling you that all marching
> rehearsals and performances were mandatory,
> including over the summer.
>
> The Comptroller says Mr. Weise told him that he
> didn't care if the kids showed up for after school
> practices or not. In other words, your kid could
> show up on Friday evening for the game
> performances, or for the Saturday competitions,
> not rehearse all week, and this was completely
> totally fine with him. Week after week after week.
> No rehearsals needed. None. Nada. Zilch. Zero.
> Zip. Seriously. Your kids didn't have to show up
> for ANY rehearsals. Yet somehow they were going to
> be able to perform. That's The Word. Your kids
> could have all skipped all of that hard work and
> the juggling act and just show up. Yeh.
> Really!!!!!!!! You can't make this stuff up.
>
> Hint-If Mr. Weise puts it this way they can
> double-charge you.
>
> If your kid actually had to show up for
> after-school practices, you were most probably
> overcharged, and they don't want to pay you back.
>
> Looking forward to an easier marching season in
> 2016????? What a deal.



This doesn't sound right. I had three kids go through MB at two different schools (we were redistricted) and the rehearsals after school were always required. This sounds like a scam on their part.

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Re: >FCPS High School Music Programs 2015-16<
Posted by: OkhuyBG ()
Date: January 17, 2016 12:21PM

XFYvj Wrote:
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> "There are some who on paper seem to be following
> protocol but it is tricky to get into the
> details."
>
>
> So... when schools seem to be doing the right
> thing on paper, you're just going to assume that
> something unethical is going on?
>
> Can't just give any positive credit for doing
> something right? Thought that was what you
> wanted. This is the reason why you come off as
> more interested in bashing than making
> improvement.


My God how you people whine.

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Re: >FCPS High School Music Programs 2015-16<
Posted by: 8765 ()
Date: January 17, 2016 12:22PM

Kevin P. Wrote:
>
> This doesn't sound right. I had three kids go
> through MB at two different schools (we were
> redistricted) and the rehearsals after school were
> always required. This sounds like a scam on their
> part.


It isn't right. It IS a scam.

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Re: >FCPS High School Music Programs 2015-16<
Posted by: nLCyY ()
Date: January 17, 2016 01:20PM

OkhuyBG Wrote:
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> XFYvj Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > "There are some who on paper seem to be
> following
> > protocol but it is tricky to get into the
> > details."
> >
> >
> > So... when schools seem to be doing the right
> > thing on paper, you're just going to assume
> that
> > something unethical is going on?
> >
> > Can't just give any positive credit for doing
> > something right? Thought that was what you
> > wanted. This is the reason why you come off as
> > more interested in bashing than making
> > improvement.
>
>
> My God how you people whine.


I find it to be a perfectly good point.. respond to it rather than attack and bully

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Re: >FCPS High School Music Programs 2015-16<
Posted by: wreptooiuyg ()
Date: January 17, 2016 02:06PM

There has been a lot of cleaning up. Good. That was already pointed out. Do you all need continuous atta boys? You aren't five-year-olds. Grow up.

However, there are still a lot of problems. And problems need to be addressed and FIXED, particularly when they are detrimental to families like what happened at McLean. Telling the Comptroller exactly the opposite of what you are telling the families in order to scalp them is really inappropriate.

So, ID and fix the problems.

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Re: >FCPS High School Music Programs 2015-16<
Posted by: 9hTyH ()
Date: January 17, 2016 02:35PM

Didn't ask for atta boys, didn't whine either.

Just noted that when you say there are some who seem to be ok, you still tack on a back handed comment that implies something is probably wrong with them anyway.

I had a problem with what you said, not that you weren't dishing out pats on the back. You're not anyone's boss. No one needs to work to satisfy you. They need to work to serve instruction.

Oh, and btw - there has not been much pointing out of what's been cleaned up, as you state.

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Re: >FCPS High School Music Programs 2015-16<
Posted by: 54e687 ()
Date: January 17, 2016 04:03PM

9hTyH Wrote:
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> Didn't ask for atta boys, didn't whine either.
>
> Just noted that when you say there are some who
> seem to be ok, you still tack on a back handed
> comment that implies something is probably wrong
> with them anyway.
>
> I had a problem with what you said, not that you
> weren't dishing out pats on the back. You're not
> anyone's boss. No one needs to work to satisfy
> you. They need to work to serve instruction.
>
> Oh, and btw - there has not been much pointing out
> of what's been cleaned up, as you state.

There can be some who look good on paper and have lots of things going on behind the scenes. Fundraising pressure, ugly attitudes, etc.

It has been pretty obvious that people aren't consistently paying attention to the required changes. Oh well. Everything is open for discussion.

People should not need continual praise and adoration for doing things properly, and it is not an imposition to be expected to do things properly. Get over it. Things are looking a lot better than last year and it was already pointed out and that is that.

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Re: >FCPS High School Music Programs 2015-16<
Posted by: uvFeh ()
Date: January 17, 2016 04:24PM

"People should not need continual praise and adoration for doing things properly, and it is not an imposition to be expected to do things properly. "


I did not imply, nor state this in my post. You asked if I needed continual praise. I do not. If you think I was asking for that, you are deficient in reading comprehension.

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Re: >FCPS High School Music Programs 2015-16<
Posted by: UVfEH ()
Date: January 17, 2016 04:27PM

Good news is that FOIA efforts will eventually slow down and go away - it might be a few years yet but when it does things can return to normal. I suspect some are doing things just to tweak the crusader and oh boy does it work.

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Re: >FCPS High School Music Programs 2015-16<
Posted by: YWXM7 ()
Date: January 17, 2016 04:31PM

I have no problem with FOIA or doing work properly. I have a problem with the crusader and her desire to kill a few spiders by burning down the whole house.

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Re: >FCPS High School Music Programs 2015-16<
Posted by: ert76 ()
Date: January 17, 2016 08:12PM

UVfEH Wrote:
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> Good news is that FOIA efforts will eventually
> slow down and go away - it might be a few years
> yet but when it does things can return to normal.
> I suspect some are doing things just to tweak the
> crusader and oh boy does it work.


Hopefully things won't return to The Way They Were because they were really f***** up.

Remember, Foster's Folly went all over the country. Sad/ridiculous thing to be famous for. Easy thing to do again. There are people in multiple states laughing about this. A Division Counsel blaming a volunteer because he can't get his records out of his own computer system and thinking he can get away with that. Blaming a VOLUNTEER. Wonder if they were tweaked..... Don't care if he was tweaked.

It is what it is and it was what it was.
Attachments:
writ.wphs.redacted.8.3.2015.pdf

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Re: >FCPS High School Music Programs 2015-16<
Posted by: 3q40879uhg ()
Date: January 17, 2016 08:14PM

YWXM7 Wrote:
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> I have no problem with FOIA or doing work
> properly. I have a problem with the crusader and
> her desire to kill a few spiders by burning down
> the whole house.


The whole place needed to be torched. It was the only way to exterminate it. It worked.

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Re: >FCPS High School Music Programs 2015-16<
Posted by: 0876 ()
Date: January 17, 2016 08:27PM

<<>>


That volunteer should tell them to put the MOA where the sun don't shine and do your own damn work.

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Re: >FCPS High School Music Programs 2015-16<
Posted by: Why bother reacting your name? ()
Date: January 17, 2016 08:38PM

Barb Brown of Oakton, VA. Everyone knows it's you. Why bother reacting your name? You're obviously proud of your work.

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Re: >FCPS High School Music Programs 2015-16<
Posted by: YhDui ()
Date: January 17, 2016 09:02PM

Oh and "lost" checks will put FCPS on the police blotter. That always makes an interesting read.

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Re: >FCPS High School Music Programs 2015-16<
Posted by: @ ()
Date: January 26, 2016 08:04PM

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Re: >FCPS High School Music Programs 2015-16<
Posted by: ^__^ ()
Date: January 28, 2016 06:30AM

^__^

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Re: >FCPS High School Music Programs 2015-16<
Posted by: Charlie Sheen ()
Date: January 28, 2016 08:57PM

our tax dollars

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Re: >FCPS High School Music Programs 2015-16<
Posted by: 9-4+3-2+4=? ()
Date: January 30, 2016 10:29AM

=__.

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Re: >FCPS High School Music Programs 2015-16<
Posted by: &h^k$(w@ ()
Date: February 02, 2016 08:46AM

Hey McLean Band-

Mr. Weise sent you a letter at the beginning of last summer telling you that all marching rehearsals and performances were mandatory, including over the summer.

The Comptroller says Mr. Weise told him that he didn't care if the kids showed up for after school practices or not. In other words, your kid could show up on Friday evening for the game performances, or for the Saturday competitions, not rehearse all week, and this was completely totally fine with him. Week after week after week. No rehearsals needed. None. Nada. Zilch. Zero. Zip. Seriously. Your kids didn't have to show up for ANY rehearsals. Yet somehow they were going to be able to perform. That's The Word. Your kids could have all skipped all of that hard work and the juggling act and just show up. Yeh. Really!!!!!!!! You can't make this stuff up.

Hint-If Mr. Weise puts it this way they can double-charge you.

If your kid actually had to show up for after-school practices, you were most probably overcharged, and they don't want to pay you back.

Looking forward to an easier marching season in 2016????? What a deal.

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Re: >FCPS High School Music Programs 2015-16<
Posted by: FCPS Music Student ()
Date: February 02, 2016 10:08PM

As an FCPS music student, I see that what you guys are doing is really hurting our schools music programs. Some of my friends are not able to go on the spring trip this year because they are unable to pay because individual fundraising is now not allowed. I know you have good intentions but you are really hurting our local schools music programs. First off, you act like millions and millions of dollars have gone missing. This is not true. Funds were put in the wrong account by accident because FCPS didn't properly communicate the information to schools and booster organizations. If funds were put in the wrong account by mistake they are still going back to the program. I know many booster parents who are constantly in school for hours helping I feel that you with your FOIA requests have fixed the majority of the issues regarding money but it is a shame that individual fundraising is not allowed anymore as this really hurts many kids. However, with that being said saying something is mandatory that really is not is deceiving. The schools should use "strongly suggested" instead. However, the majority of band kids will do marching band anyway regardless of if it is mandatory or not.

Please answer this one question: What did the school system/music booster do to you or your family personally that hurt you and makes you feel this way about our music programs? Don't tell me they specifically ripped countless people off, but what happened to you or your family personally?
This may really help your case.

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Re: >FCPS High School Music Programs 2015-16<
Posted by: FCPS Music Student ()
Date: February 02, 2016 10:09PM

We never really got the full back story

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Re: >FCPS High School Music Programs 2015-16<
Posted by: pleaseno ()
Date: February 02, 2016 10:13PM

For the love of god NO - please let's not get the 50th iteration of her grievances again. Just go back and read some of the the other threads.

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Re: >FCPS High School Music Programs 2015-16<
Posted by: fortissimo ()
Date: February 03, 2016 08:29AM

pleaseno Wrote:
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> For the love of god NO - please let's not get the
> 50th iteration of her grievances again. Just go
> back and read some of the the other threads.

Dear "FCPS Student"--


Your friends can get a job and pay for their own trip instead of manipulating non-profit funding to line their pockets. There really isn't any difference in the time involved. The IFA's are between you and the IRS and the Comptroller. If they can't afford to go on a trip without violating Federal laws and endangering a non-profit, and nobody wants to help them, then they need to stay home. Oh well.

If you think the "new rules" are new they aren't new at all. Thousands of people were ignoring long-standing school policies and state educational laws for many years. There were lots and lots of people taken advantage of. You think nobody was hurt over the years? Think again. When you demand money from people that you are not entitled to that is a huge problem. Mandatory Booster assessments, mandatory Booster "dues", mandatory fundraising for the school or a Booster club, mandatory $900 trips, and everything behind all of this (pay up now e-mails, ugly conversations, etc.)....All entirely inappropriate. A lot of kids probably didn't sign up for some of these great courses because they knew they could not afford a $900 trip that a teacher proclaimed was mandatory (hey, Lake Braddock), their parents refused to accept assistance, and they missed out on a wonderful educational opportunity. Or, they scrimped and saved for the trips and the $500 Booster bills, when the money could have been used for things like college tuition or food and clothing and health care expenses for their family. You think they weren't hurt? They were hurt. Believe me.

How do you like the appropriated funds that are now earmarked for your programs? You are welcome. There is nothing wrong with the current arrangement. It's the law. Deal with it.

Funds need to go into the proper account, right from the beginning. That is policy. This is a financial safety and liability issue. There is nothing more to be said about that. Some of these groups ship money off to colleges. Some of it could disappear. That doesn't help FCPS much.

And yes, telling the parents something is mandatory and then telling Administration it wasn't, calling a class both an activity AND a class, all in order to try to inappropriately charge families is deceitful. It is actually beyond deceitful. It is vile. Even if the after-school rehearsals are completely optional (which nobody with an ounce of common sense would believe) that isn't a valid excuse to charge for additional instructors, because the rehearsals are part of a course. You can't charge students for extra instructors for a course. McLean is very confused and/or taking advantage of families. A LOT of them. Because they don't have the manners and decency to straighten this out. It is called GREED. Langley is also confused. We just haven't gotten to them yet.

Don't get OP started on what was done to them and their family. Let's see-child abuse, threats, lies, broken promises, "stolen money"/overcharging, abusive staff attitudes, refusing to produce public records, sloppy work.....All because a whole bunch of people decided to ignore school policy and state laws and do whatever they damn well pleased.

To all the people who were offered or sent $200+ refunds, you are very welcome. And there are hundreds of them.

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Re: >FCPS High School Music Programs 2015-16<
Posted by: PFFffttttt ()
Date: February 03, 2016 11:16AM

>They were hurt. Believe me.

I will not believe you because you offer no evidence other than generalizations about unnamed victims of some crime or other.

This sounds like the "Won't somebody think of the children" line people trot out to obscure the fact that they have no evidence to support their claims.

Barb, go home.

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Re: >FCPS High School Music Programs 2015-16<
Posted by: 632346 ()
Date: February 03, 2016 04:35PM

PFFffttttt Wrote:
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> >They were hurt. Believe me.
>
> I will not believe you because you offer no
> evidence other than generalizations about unnamed
> victims of some crime or other.
>
> This sounds like the "Won't somebody think of the
> children" line people trot out to obscure the fact
> that they have no evidence to support their
> claims.
>
> Barb, go home.

Another flaming egotistical pompous a**. One of thousands.

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Posted by: didnotrequestrefund ()
Date: February 03, 2016 04:59PM

fortissimo Wrote:

>
> To all the people who were offered or sent $200+
> refunds, you are very welcome. And there are
> hundreds of them.

I am happy to report that we did NOT request a refund and the vast majority of our members did not either. In fact, I heard most of the few that did were not even FRL.

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Re: >FCPS High School Music Programs 2015-16<
Posted by: 545788 ()
Date: February 03, 2016 09:19PM

didnotrequestrefund Wrote:
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> fortissimo Wrote:
>
> >
> > To all the people who were offered or sent
> $200+
> > refunds, you are very welcome. And there are
> > hundreds of them.
>
> I am happy to report that we did NOT request a
> refund and the vast majority of our members did
> not either. In fact, I heard most of the few that
> did were not even FRL.

That means they were smart. Good for them. Let's see....was it Madison, Westfield, Langley who had to apologize?

At least one high school had to write some $150++ checks because a volunteer was running the trip spreadsheet and it was basically a combination of probable fraud and stupidity on their part and blatant stupidity on the part of the school administrators. The parents didn't have a choice. They were sent checks. Great big ones. And there were several people with great big payments noted that were actually not made who got a phone call from an AP telling them they had to pay up. No sweet deals for you, folks. Let's see---creating a fraudulent public record in order to cut somebody a good deal.....nice.

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Re: >FCPS High School Music Programs 2015-16<
Posted by: Get your tp, kids ()
Date: February 03, 2016 10:42PM

ch2ar8it0on5 st.

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Re: >FCPS High School Music Programs 2015-16<
Posted by: OPOPOPOPOPOP ()
Date: February 04, 2016 07:52AM

First off, you act like millions and millions of dollars have gone missing. This is not true. Funds were put in the wrong account by accident because FCPS didn't properly communicate the information to schools and booster organizations. If funds were put in the wrong account by mistake they are still going back to the program.

-----------------------------

OP never said millions of dollars went missing. OP said people were being inappropriately charged for courses. Demanding money from people for a course when you are not entitled to is a very, very serious problem. Booster clubs don't have the right to do that and NEVER DID.

OP also said the money related to courses was going into the wrong bank accounts, which put funds at risk because of the insurance issues, and also complicated the public records issues. It doesn't matter if it is going for the program. The money for courses needs to go into the correct bank accounts. That is policy.

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Re: >FCPS High School Music Programs 2015-16<
Posted by: Diane H. ()
Date: February 04, 2016 03:27PM

632346 Wrote:
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> PFFffttttt Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > >They were hurt. Believe me.
> >
> > I will not believe you because you offer no
> > evidence other than generalizations about
> unnamed
> > victims of some crime or other.
> >
> > This sounds like the "Won't somebody think of
> the
> > children" line people trot out to obscure the
> fact
> > that they have no evidence to support their
> > claims.
> >
> > Barb, go home.
>
> Another flaming egotistical pompous a**. One of
> thousands.


They really are a dime a dozen.

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Re: >FCPS High School Music Programs 2015-16<
Posted by: understandingthescope ()
Date: February 04, 2016 03:57PM

Here is a fact no one is considering: FCPS is already integrating their music education spending dollars into the FY2017 budget and the cost drivers are withstanding the total output of the music booster associations. The net effect of this is that the total amount of dollars will remain stagnant unless MOA proposals are implemented completely at all booster affected school units. It is a fact that implementation compensation costs will exceed dollar benefits until full compliance is achieved. Achieve or leave.

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Re: >FCPS High School Music Programs 2015-16<
Posted by: :<( ()
Date: February 04, 2016 04:10PM

understandingthescope Wrote:
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> Here is a fact no one is considering: FCPS is
> already integrating their music education spending
> dollars into the FY2017 budget and the cost
> drivers are withstanding the total output of the
> music booster associations. The net effect of
> this is that the total amount of dollars will
> remain stagnant unless MOA proposals are
> implemented completely at all booster affected
> school units. It is a fact that implementation
> compensation costs will exceed dollar benefits
> until full compliance is achieved. Achieve or
> leave.


It would probably be more cost-effective for the staff to quit going out to eat all the time and use the money to hire additional hourly finance tech support to process student fees. This is allowed in the new 5810. They are using volunteers (and teachers) to do this work so that they can make the rounds of the restaurants.

Let the teachers teach and let the parents tend to their families.

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Re: >FCPS High School Music Programs 2015-16<
Posted by: PFFffttttt ()
Date: February 04, 2016 05:15PM

632346 Wrote:
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> PFFffttttt Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > >They were hurt. Believe me.
> >
> > I will not believe you because you offer no
> > evidence other than generalizations about
> unnamed
> > victims of some crime or other.
> >
> > This sounds like the "Won't somebody think of
> the
> > children" line people trot out to obscure the
> fact
> > that they have no evidence to support their
> > claims.
> >
> > Barb, go home.
>
> Another flaming egotistical pompous a**. One of
> thousands.

You are re-directing (this is a logical fallacy) by calling me an ass rather than addressing my point that you, Mrs. Brown, are making claims without evidence.

Expecting your unsupported claims to be accepted seems to me to make you the very embodiment of pomposity and arrogance. I say you are a goose.

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Re: >FCPS High School Music Programs 2015-16<
Posted by: :-D ()
Date: February 04, 2016 05:26PM

Dear Pftttt-There is lots of evidence. You obviously can't read and/or can't grasp the concepts and/or are clinging to a fantasy that what was going on was OK and/or are so puffed up on yourself that you can't be objective.

That's all right. You are not alone in your confusion. There were also many confused Ed.D.'s, attorneys, and administrators. Actually, there still are.

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Re: >FCPS High School Music Programs 2015-16<
Posted by: understandingthescope ()
Date: February 04, 2016 08:16PM

We need to synergistically extend economically sound platforms as we collaboratively brand impactful functionalities within dynamic fully researched interfaces of music. The school system and music education program depend on this. Don't give up hope.

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Re: >FCPS High School Music Programs 2015-16<
Posted by: -----------> ()
Date: February 04, 2016 08:43PM

understandingthescope Wrote:
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> We need to synergistically extend economically
> sound platforms as we collaboratively brand
> impactful functionalities within dynamic fully
> researched interfaces of music. The school system
> and music education program depend on this. Don't
> give up hope.


The easiest way to sum this up in plain English might be that the programs should be run as safely and efficiently as possible.

So, quit using volunteers as substitute staff, the staff needs to quit going out to breakfast, lunch and dinner using county funds, have the kids drop the checks off at the front office instead of in the music rooms, and use an hourly finance tech to handle the payments and spreadsheets. No more MOA hassles, no more Cloud hassles, no more teacher angst, no more problems with not being able to produce public records from a year ago because a volunteer is out of the country (right......). Done.

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Re: >FCPS High School Music Programs 2015-16<
Posted by: Theory of relativity ()
Date: February 05, 2016 06:52AM

PFFffttttt Wrote:
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> 632346 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > PFFffttttt Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > >They were hurt. Believe me.
> > >
> > > I will not believe you because you offer no
> > > evidence other than generalizations about
> > unnamed
> > > victims of some crime or other.
> > >
> > > This sounds like the "Won't somebody think of
> > the
> > > children" line people trot out to obscure the
> > fact
> > > that they have no evidence to support their
> > > claims.
> > >
> > > Barb, go home.
> >
> > Another flaming egotistical pompous a**. One of
> > thousands.
>
> You are re-directing (this is a logical fallacy)
> by calling me an ass rather than addressing my
> point that you, Mrs. Brown, are making claims
> without evidence.
>
> Expecting your unsupported claims to be accepted
> seems to me to make you the very embodiment of
> pomposity and arrogance. I say you are a goose.


Considering that somebody keeps calling the OP a "cunt" when they aren't it seems calling somebody an ass who is acting like an ass is very appropriate.

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Re: >FCPS High School Music Programs 2015-16<
Posted by: stop feeding the troll ()
Date: February 05, 2016 12:20PM

everyone needs to stop trying to present their own logic or perspective to OP because OP simply argues against any opinion that doesn't support OP's obsession. OP is a troll who keeps OPs own thread alive under multiple names by reposting the same post to see if OP gets a new reaction. OP then insults the intelligence of whoever reacts and feeds OP's own self-righteousness.

Stop feeling the troll (OP)

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Re: >FCPS High School Music Programs 2015-16<
Posted by: Oprah ()
Date: February 05, 2016 08:43PM

This has been quite a story.

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Re: >FCPS High School Music Programs 2015-16<
Posted by: ¥ ()
Date: February 08, 2016 08:19PM

¥

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Re: >FCPS High School Music Programs 2015-16<
Posted by: ?ACLU ()
Date: February 15, 2016 08:59PM

Contact the ACLU. They follow up on student fee violations all the time.

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Re: >FCPS High School Music Programs 2015-16<
Posted by: ?ACLU ()
Date: February 16, 2016 09:05AM


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Re: >FCPS High School Music Programs 2015-16<
Posted by: ?ACLU ()
Date: February 16, 2016 09:19AM


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