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SCHOOL START TIME CHANGE FAILURE
Posted by: FCAC Reporter ()
Date: April 19, 2015 12:04PM

The Fairfax County School Board was hit with an unexpected consequence of later high school start times this week, as the Department of Neighborhood and Community Services proposed to the Board of Supervisors that athletic field use be reserved for youth sports until 9:00 pm.

Parents are upset with the proposed change, which will have students eating dinner at 10:00 pm and doing homework past midnight, resulting in less sleep for them than before the school start time change.

Youth sports leaders are pushing for the 9:00 pm end time because later school dismissal will result in school sports starting and ending later, and club sports being pushed even later. Community sports are often very competitive and the young athletes cannot decrease the time needed for training and practice during the week, according to sports leaders.

Megan McLaughlin, School Board representative to the Fairfax County Athletic Council, noted that the FCAC voted unanimously for the change. Several other FCAC representatives said that reserving athletic fields for youth until 9:00 pm was always part of the plan but was not publicized because of its controversial nature. In a joint statement by NCS and the FCAC earlier this month, the change was notably absent in a list of highlights of a new athletic field allocation policy.

Adult sports groups are mounting a challenge to the new policy, which delays the start time for their games from 8:00 to 9:00 pm. Adult leagues have long complained that they continue to be pushed off fields across the county as the county builds more synthetic turf fields.

The Board of Supervisors is scheduled to receive a presentation of the changes to athletic field allocation policies and will vote on the changes at a future meeting not yet announced.

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Re: SCHOOL START TIME CHANGE FAILURE
Posted by: were you too busy? ()
Date: April 19, 2015 12:45PM

This is what happens when the majority sits silent and let a few misguided parents change policy. Maybe they should have attended some school board meeting and had something to say about it.

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Re: SCHOOL START TIME CHANGE FAILURE
Posted by: Here's A Thought ()
Date: April 19, 2015 03:11PM

Schools are to educate our young people in the academic arts. Take the fucking sports out of school altogether. If they want to play, do a pickup game on Saturday afternoon like we did as children. All this concern about sports in schools is bullshit. The kids are there to learn, not delude themselves that there's a future for them as professional athletes.

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Re: SCHOOL START TIME CHANGE FAILURE
Posted by: Confused ()
Date: April 19, 2015 03:36PM

So is there something preventing a kid from doing homework or grabbing a bite to eat between school dismissal and the start of their sporting event?

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Re: SCHOOL START TIME CHANGE FAILURE
Posted by: nostrodamos ()
Date: April 19, 2015 04:53PM

FCAC Reporter Wrote:
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> The Fairfax County School Board was hit with an
> unexpected consequence of later high school start
> times this week,

I'm not sure how this could be characterized as an "unexpected" issue - this is one of the several reasons that school start times were fought and not changed for so long. This would be better described as "as predicted".

The "unexpected" issues will be when the transportation costs come in much higher and the actual school bus pick up times are not much later than this year. Of course those are all very predictable, by everyone in favor of later school times will act surprised.

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Re: SCHOOL START TIME CHANGE FAILURE
Posted by: tbt ()
Date: April 19, 2015 05:36PM

This impact on youth sports was well known and was kept covered up so that the SB, the activist parents and the superintendent could claim a win for "health." Wait until school starts and the community realizes that the drop off times at high schools are going to be compressed into a mere 10 minutes from 20 minutes. Imagine the traffic, the jams. The change will cost far more than advertised, but hey, that is life. Too many allowed the scripted "town hall meetings" to rule the day as those who wanted no change were silenced and marginalized. You reap what you sow.

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Re: SCHOOL START TIME CHANGE FAILURE
Posted by: never let a crisis go to waste ()
Date: April 19, 2015 06:04PM

You have to realize the long game that Garza is playing. School start times are a misdirection - the end goal is leveling the student bodies across all of the high schools. The later start times creates the transportation cost crisis necessary to open up attendance zones, and then FCPS will be able to attack the 2% FRL schools like Oakton and Langley with redistricting. Only a matter of time - won't do that this year with a school board election coming, but after the election, expect the redistricting study to begin to address spiraling transportation costs.

The SLEEP people were just a cranky minority until Garza adopted them as her useful idiots to get to her real goal.

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Re: SCHOOL START TIME CHANGE FAILURE
Posted by: sports dad ()
Date: April 19, 2015 06:14PM

Confused Wrote:
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> So is there something preventing a kid from doing
> homework or grabbing a bite to eat between school
> dismissal and the start of their sporting event?


+1. My son plays club sports and his days are laid out down to the minute - school ends, library to study/homework, ride to practice, home late, snack, homework, bed. He gets food along the way depending upon how hungry he is. Not great for the family sit down dinner, but everything gets done. The kids will adapt. If shifting your day 30 minutes totally blows your mind, perhaps you should not be worrying about getting into a 4 year college.

People bitch about over scheduling kids - it's not like they are reading the classics or volunteering at the shelter in their spare time. So what is they lose 30 minutes of snapshat or instagram time? I'd rather have them overscheduled than sitting around playing xbox.

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Re: SCHOOL START TIME CHANGE FAILURE
Posted by: Here's a thought retard ()
Date: April 19, 2015 07:39PM

Here's A Thought Wrote:
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> Schools are to educate our young people in the
> academic arts. Take the fucking sports out of
> school altogether. If they want to play, do a
> pickup game on Saturday afternoon like we did as
> children. All this concern about sports in schools
> is bullshit. The kids are there to learn, not
> delude themselves that there's a future for them
> as professional athletes.


We aren't a fucking third world country, every developed Civilization had sports, if you don't want to do sports then fine you unathletic faggot, but don't take it away from the people who do.

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Re: SCHOOL START TIME CHANGE FAILURE
Posted by: KeepItHushHush ()
Date: April 19, 2015 08:17PM

were you too busy? Wrote:
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> This is what happens when the majority sits silent
> and let a few misguided parents change policy.
> Maybe they should have attended some school board
> meeting and had something to say about it.

[reserving fields intil 9p] "...was always part of the plan but was not publicized because of its controversial nature." Reportedly said by "Several FCAC representatives"

Anyone else catch that?

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Re: SCHOOL START TIME CHANGE FAILURE
Date: April 19, 2015 08:19PM

FCAC Reporter Wrote:
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> The Fairfax County School Board was hit with an
> unexpected consequence of later high school start
> times this week, as the Department of Neighborhood
> and Community Services proposed to the Board of
> Supervisors that athletic field use be reserved
> for youth sports until 9:00 pm.
>
> Parents are upset with the proposed change, which
> will have students eating dinner at 10:00 pm and
> doing homework past midnight, resulting in less
> sleep for them than before the school start time
> change.
>
> Youth sports leaders are pushing for the 9:00 pm
> end time because later school dismissal will
> result in school sports starting and ending later,
> and club sports being pushed even later.
> Community sports are often very competitive and
> the young athletes cannot decrease the time needed
> for training and practice during the week,
> according to sports leaders.
>
> Megan McLaughlin, School Board representative to
> the Fairfax County Athletic Council, noted that
> the FCAC voted unanimously for the change.
> Several other FCAC representatives said that
> reserving athletic fields for youth until 9:00 pm
> was always part of the plan but was not publicized
> because of its controversial nature. In a joint
> statement by NCS and the FCAC earlier this month,
> the change was notably absent in a list of
> highlights of a new athletic field allocation
> policy.
>
> Adult sports groups are mounting a challenge to
> the new policy, which delays the start time for
> their games from 8:00 to 9:00 pm. Adult leagues
> have long complained that they continue to be
> pushed off fields across the county as the county
> builds more synthetic turf fields.
>
> The Board of Supervisors is scheduled to receive a
> presentation of the changes to athletic field
> allocation policies and will vote on the changes
> at a future meeting not yet announced.

I'd have to say it's really stupid.

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- Savage Vro Fartian was here -

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Re: SCHOOL START TIME CHANGE FAILURE
Posted by: sporty spice ()
Date: April 19, 2015 08:42PM

Here's a thought retard Wrote:
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> Here's A Thought Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Schools are to educate our young people in the
> > academic arts. Take the fucking sports out of
> > school altogether. If they want to play, do a
> > pickup game on Saturday afternoon like we did
> as
> > children. All this concern about sports in
> schools
> > is bullshit. The kids are there to learn, not
> > delude themselves that there's a future for
> them
> > as professional athletes.
>
>
> We aren't a fucking third world country, every
> developed Civilization had sports, if you don't
> want to do sports then fine you unathletic faggot,
> but don't take it away from the people who do.

Eliminating "Available for free from the county government" is not the same as taking away sports. Just means you need to pay.

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Re: SCHOOL START TIME CHANGE FAILURE
Posted by: Don't include me ()
Date: April 19, 2015 09:03PM

Here's A Thought Wrote:
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> Schools are to educate our young people in the
> academic arts. Take the fucking sports out of
> school altogether. If they want to play, do a
> pickup game on Saturday afternoon like we did as
> children. All this concern about sports in schools
> is bullshit. The kids are there to learn, not
> delude themselves that there's a future for them
> as professional athletes.


Like "we" did?

Don't include me in your little group.

I played on several high school teams, and got a great deal out of the experience, as did most of my teammates.

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Re: SCHOOL START TIME CHANGE FAILURE
Posted by: NCS Memo ()
Date: April 19, 2015 10:55PM

April 2, 2015

Fairfax County Sports Organizations-

As you are aware, the Fairfax County Athletic Council Policy Committee has been working to update the Field Allocation Policy. Throughout the past year, this committee has been sharing the policy with a number of stakeholders and has incorporated the appropriate feedback. As you may recall, in September 2014, all of the participating sports organizations in Fairfax County were forwarded the draft policy and were given an opportunity to provide feedback as well.

On March 18, 2015, the Fairfax County Athletic Council unanimously approved the proposed Field Allocation Policy be submitted to the Board of Supervisors for review and approval. Prior to submission, we would like to give the community another opportunity to provide feedback.

Listed below is a summary of the major changes in the proposed policy:

Certified Athletic Organizations-The most significant changes center around additional requirements for a group to qualify as a Certified Athletic Organizations (CAO). A CAO has a priority right of scheduling over non-CAOs. Added to the certification list are:


A. Proof of insurance- There is a minimum requirement of $1,000,000 liability coverage, and the policy must name FCPS, FCPA, and the BOS as a co-insured and they must be specifically listed as additional insured party.



B. Non-profits status- An IRS non-profit number or other written documentation supporting non-profit status as categorized by a federal or state regulatory agency.



C. Criminal Background Checks- A written certification Sent from my iPhone

Attached, please find the above mentioned policy. We request your feedback by April 17, 2015.
If you have any questions, feedback or comments, please direct them to athleticservices@fairfaxcounty.gov or you may call 703-324-5533 to talk to a staff member.


Fairfax County
Neighborhood and Community Services
Athletic Services Division
Phone: (703) 324-5533 or (703) 324-5522
Fax: (703) 324-5546

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Re: SCHOOL START TIME CHANGE FAILURE
Posted by: Citizens ()
Date: April 19, 2015 11:05PM

As you are aware, you - NCS and the FCAC - hid the true purposes of the policy change, holding committee meetings without the required public notice, and hoping no one would read your document to find out what was inside.

What happens now that you are caught in a lie during a BoS election year?

Wait until someone tries to FOIA the non-existent committee meeting notes?

Someone has to be thrown under all those shiny new buses.

Will the FCAC leadership resign? Or is this the end of the Chris and Karen show?

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Re: SCHOOL START TIME CHANGE FAILURE
Posted by: Bill.N. ()
Date: April 19, 2015 11:25PM

sports dad Wrote:
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> People bitch about over scheduling kids - it's not
> like they are reading the classics or volunteering
> at the shelter in their spare time.

Speak for yourself. My kids were juggling jobs, school athletics, non-school athletics and outside educational programs. Having school start an hour later would have meant losing out on some of these. This is why I fought the proposal for probably 10 years.

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Re: SCHOOL START TIME CHANGE FAILURE
Posted by: Our fault ()
Date: April 20, 2015 07:18AM

This is what happens when you allow those parents who have money and/or influence - and obviously there have been many - to dictate education policy along with how schools should be run.

This is all about who has the most money to affect change in whatever they feel is necessary; NOT what is best for students, teachers, community, etc., but what they solely feel is best for all.

Then you have the local politician or two who back the parents up, mainly for votes. Rarely is it that a parent with money is unsuccessful, though I only remember failing once with the failed attempt of the Lake Braddock parent having a book taken out of the English curriculum about five years ago.

It is all very sad what we have allowed to happen to our society. And yes, all of us are to blame.

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Re: SCHOOL START TIME CHANGE FAILURE
Posted by: FcbbhdrtSdFggfg ()
Date: April 20, 2015 07:48AM

Citizens Wrote:
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> As you are aware, you - NCS and the FCAC - hid the
> true purposes of the policy change, holding
> committee meetings without the required public
> notice, and hoping no one would read your document
> to find out what was inside.
>
> What happens now that you are caught in a lie
> during a BoS election year?
>
> Wait until someone tries to FOIA the non-existent
> committee meeting notes?
>
> Someone has to be thrown under all those shiny new
> buses.
>
> Will the FCAC leadership resign? Or is this the
> end of the Chris and Karen show?



-why do NCS and FCAC fall under the open meetings and open records laws? I am not familiar with either group.

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Re: SCHOOL START TIME CHANGE FAILURE
Posted by: Open Meetings ()
Date: April 20, 2015 12:03PM

>
> -why do NCS and FCAC fall under the open meetings
> and open records laws? I am not familiar with
> either group.


Because it is required by state law and by the Board of Supervisors, as described in the FCAC bylaws:

http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/ncs/athletics/pdf/blaws.pdf

Section 1 – Regular Meetings
Regular meetings of the Council, open to the public, shall be held at the same time and place each month on a day and at a time determined by the Council, unless determined otherwise by a majority vote of the members present and voting at a regular meeting.

Section 2 – Special Meetings
Special meetings may be called by the Chair or by a written petition of at least one-third (1/3) of the members. Notice of such meetings shall be in accordance with Virginia State law.

Section 3 – Closed Meetings
Meetings of the Council shall at all times be in compliance with the current Virginia Freedom of Information Act and the Council may conduct closed meetings only as provided for in Sections 2.2-3711 and 2.2-3712 of the Virginia Freedom of Information Act.

c. Secretary
The Secretary shall be responsible for all minutes and official records, including electronic recordings, of the Council, the Executive Committee, and such other meetings as may be requested by the Council Chair. These minutes and official records shall be available for public inspection at all times upon reasonable notice. A copy of the minutes shall be provided to all members of the Council after adjournment of such meetings and prior to the next regular meeting
of the Council.

In a memo several years ago, the County Attorney determined that open meeting and record-keeping rules that apply to the FCAC also apply to their Subcommittees.

The Supreme Court of Virginia has held that the Officers can be held personally liable for failure to comply with the law. Even before a case reaches that point, the government employees and political appointees (volunteers) have to pay for their own attorneys, which can cost tens of thousands of dollars. In other words, they should be motivated to obey the law.

Google "Marymount Lewinsville Mclean" to read how things can go horribly wrong when secret deals are made.

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Re: SCHOOL START TIME CHANGE FAILURE
Posted by: mjs82 ()
Date: April 20, 2015 02:10PM

>
> Speak for yourself. My kids were juggling jobs,
> school athletics, non-school athletics and outside
> educational programs. Having school start an hour
> later would have meant losing out on some of
> these. This is why I fought the proposal for
> probably 10 years.

Well maybe if you cut down on some of the extra curricular activies your kids would have time to enjoy being a kid, hanging out in the back yard with dad, tossing the old pigskin, or hanging out withth eother kids in neighborhood...

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Re: SCHOOL START TIME CHANGE FAILURE
Posted by: Btdt ()
Date: April 20, 2015 06:13PM

You are so on target. She wants to ferret out and dismantle every "pocket of excellence".

Some really wacko scheduling plans are coming down that look designed to fail. Maybe to "prove" that the re districting must be done.

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Re: SCHOOL START TIME CHANGE FAILURE
Date: April 20, 2015 06:24PM

THIS IS WHY YOU LET THE STUDENTS VOTE!! ITS OUR ISSUE!

Dear FCPS,
FUK YOU!!

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Re: SCHOOL START TIME CHANGE FAILURE
Posted by: missed the bus a lot ()
Date: April 27, 2015 01:56PM

So I was looking for our "official" bus stop time the other day - my daughter claims it's 6:20, I remember 6:15 from the beginning of the year - and found something curious. I went to the FCPS school website, which used to list school bus routes and times for anyone to see. All scrubbed - now you can only see your own bus time in Blackboard, which I was eventually able to locate. I'm thinking this was done to eliminate people's ability to mass compare bus pickups from this year to next year when we get the "benefit" of later HS start times. You as an individual will know, but with bus pickup times now private, it will make it much harder to see the actual impact of the later school start times.

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Re: SCHOOL START TIME CHANGE FAILURE
Posted by: Retired teacher ()
Date: April 27, 2015 02:07PM

So glad I am out!
What should be upsetting parents and teachers is the cost of this change. It is ridiculous how much is being spent on busses which is money not going to pay raises for the teachers. Teachers are leaving FCPS to get better pay in neighboring counties. FCPS does not care, because new teachers cost them less. But who loses? The kids.

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Re: SCHOOL START TIME CHANGE FAILURE
Posted by: tbt ()
Date: April 27, 2015 02:08PM

They are definitely keeping bus pick up times under wraps. The mess next fall will be immense, and as it is an election year, you can bet there will be fall out. The amount of time to unload the buses has been cut in half and parents are being advised to not drive their students to school, rather have them walk or take the school bus, and if they do drive them, arrive much earlier to avoid the congestion. Where will be the precious extra sleep? This is an instance of kow-towing at any cost to a well organized and vocal special interest group so those who voted for the change and paid for the skewed study could pat themselves on the back in the name of student health.

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Re: SCHOOL START TIME CHANGE FAILURE
Posted by: Langley Fail ()
Date: April 27, 2015 02:12PM

tbt Wrote:
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> They are definitely keeping bus pick up times
> under wraps. The mess next fall will be immense,
> and as it is an election year, you can bet there
> will be fall out. The amount of time to unload the
> buses has been cut in half and parents are being
> advised to not drive their students to school,
> rather have them walk or take the school bus, and
> if they do drive them, arrive much earlier to
> avoid the congestion. Where will be the precious
> extra sleep? This is an instance of kow-towing at
> any cost to a well organized and vocal special
> interest group so those who voted for the change
> and paid for the skewed study could pat themselves
> on the back in the name of student health.

+1. I live at the far end of Great Falls feeding to Langley. I'm expecting a change of maybe 15 minutes. If it's anything more than that, no way the bus will get there in time considering the rush hour traffic on 193. Whoever was the genius behind this change never got on the road at 7AM around here.

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Re: SCHOOL START TIME CHANGE FAILURE
Posted by: YLp3E ()
Date: April 27, 2015 05:47PM

1. kids are required to go to school so those hours should be reasonable (its not reasonable to ask a 12 year old to awake 2 hours before sunrise in the winter at 6am to go to school).

2. Sports are optional. The County and especially the school system is not required to provide a schedule for sports outside of school especially and including the Adults.

3. Adults cant get on the fields till 9pm - what a bunch of babies! Grown men and women playing games is absolutely fine but shut up about how 'late' you have to stay up to play. Seriously, most adults dont wake up at 6 am.

4. Kids have 7 hrs of school plus an average 30 min bus ride each way to school, plus an hour of homework - that is a 9 hour day and 45 hour work week (with added homework on the weekend). Travel teams and the like can easily add 8-12 hours a week. Parents that choose to book their kids with a 57 hour work week do so of their own volition. Some kids thrive on it most become exhausted.

The answer is to eliminate SOL's, shorten the school day and possibly extend the number of days in school. Summer break is pretty much a waste.

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Re: SCHOOL START TIME CHANGE FAILURE
Posted by: been there, done that ()
Date: April 27, 2015 06:14PM

were you too busy? Wrote:
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> This is what happens when the majority sits silent
> and let a few misguided parents change policy.
> Maybe they should have attended some school board
> meeting and had something to say about it.


The school board does not listen. Just look at this "case closed" crap from Angela Atwater.

If you ask questions, the school board members just don't answer.

If you complain to the Board of Supervisors they say "we just give FCPS money, we don't control what they do with it"

So the only solution is to vote EVERY SINGLE FUCKING ONE OF THEM OUT OF OFFICE.

Yes, EVERY SINGLE FUCKING ONE OF THEM.

Let's start over.

And yes, school sports are an unnecessary and expensive distraction for the privileged few who managed to manipulate the schools into believing they are important.

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Re: SCHOOL START TIME CHANGE FAILURE
Posted by: Bill.N. ()
Date: April 27, 2015 08:46PM

YLp3E Wrote:
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> Some kids thrive on it most become exhausted.

And school schedules should be structured to permit those who do thrive on it to be able to do so. It may be hard to believe but for many school amounts to about 1-2 hours of meaningful instruction crammed into a 7 hour day. They benefit far more from the activities they engage in outside of school than from what they learn during it. This isn't limited to just the top kids, as there are a number of kids in the middle and even those toward the bottom of the class who are engaged in meaningful activities outside of school.

> Summer break is pretty much a waste.

Same thing with summer break. The original idea that summers should be off so kids could help on the family farm may no longer be valid. However there are a great many kids who use the 10 weeks away from school to engage in activities that are more meaningful than whatever they would learn during the same 10 week period in a classroom.

And despite saying so I am once again slipping back into a fight I no longer have a stake in.

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Re: SCHOOL START TIME CHANGE FAILURE
Posted by: Albert Ayn Stein ()
Date: April 28, 2015 02:32PM

Let me get this straight. The Fairfax County parent gestapo fought for a later start time of 30 minutes for high school students.

Now the same gestapo wants to allow them 60 later minutes to play their useless azz medicore-quality league sports. What happen to the focus on academics, alertness, sufficient sleep time, and all the other BS propaganda they peddled to persuade/arm-twist the BOE to approve a later start time.

It was about the extracurricular athletics all along. These parents chase these scholarships and come senior year, Hannah and Jackson have jack-shit to show for in the form of a college athletic scholarship. The over-emphasis on youth sports in FFX is abominable.

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Re: SCHOOL START TIME CHANGE FAILURE
Posted by: complete myth ()
Date: April 28, 2015 02:44PM

Bill.N. Wrote:
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> YLp3E Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Some kids thrive on it most become exhausted.
>
> And school schedules should be structured to
> permit those who do thrive on it to be able to do
> so. It may be hard to believe but for many school
> amounts to about 1-2 hours of meaningful
> instruction crammed into a 7 hour day. They
> benefit far more from the activities they engage
> in outside of school than from what they learn
> during it. This isn't limited to just the top
> kids, as there are a number of kids in the middle
> and even those toward the bottom of the class who
> are engaged in meaningful activities outside of
> school.
>
> > Summer break is pretty much a waste.
>
> Same thing with summer break. The original idea
> that summers should be off so kids could help on
> the family farm may no longer be valid. However
> there are a great many kids who use the 10 weeks
> away from school to engage in activities that are
> more meaningful than whatever they would learn
> during the same 10 week period in a classroom.
>
> And despite saying so I am once again slipping
> back into a fight I no longer have a stake in.


1. If you feel your kids are only getting 1-2 hours of meaningful instruction during a 7 hour day you should move schools or choose to home school. In your case it sounds like you value non-traditional education out in the world would work best. Thats fine but by middle school few parents have the training or expertise to teach Algebra, Literature and Science. Those who do probably dont have the time.

2. The idea that summer break was related to children helping out on the farm is a complete myth. The busiest times on a farm are Spring and Fall not Summer. Summer was chosen as it was too hot inside many classrooms prior to widespread AC.

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Re: SCHOOL START TIME CHANGE FAILURE
Posted by: Eurail Pass ()
Date: April 28, 2015 04:24PM

"Parents are upset with the proposed change, which will have students eating dinner at 10:00 pm..."

Isn't that how they roll in Europe and they're far superior to us. And aren't libtards always saying, "why can't the US be more like Europe with their free universal healthcare and trains everywhere" and shit like that? Well, there you go now.

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Re: SCHOOL START TIME CHANGE FAILURE
Posted by: sick of all the douchery ()
Date: April 28, 2015 05:06PM

No one over the age of 40 went to school as early as kids are going now. Thats right in the 'good old days' kids did not wake up at 0600 to go to school. By the way to all the complainers, there is such a thing as 'morning practice.' Why not use the extra time to send Type A Jr. to soccer Before school.

I am so sick of all the douchery regarding giving kids more time in the morning.

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Re: SCHOOL START TIME CHANGE FAILURE
Posted by: Early bird & worm ()
Date: April 28, 2015 05:08PM

sick of all the douchery Wrote:
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> No one over the age of 40 went to school as early
> as kids are going now. Thats right in the 'good
> old days' kids did not wake up at 0600 to go to
> school. By the way to all the complainers, there
> is such a thing as 'morning practice.' Why not
> use the extra time to send Type A Jr. to soccer
> Before school.
>
> I am so sick of all the douchery regarding giving
> kids more time in the morning.

Um, we woke up at 5:45 every day as high school start time was 7:20. So don't go making blanket statements when you haven't checked your facts.

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Re: SCHOOL START TIME CHANGE FAILURE
Posted by: Fmr NYer ()
Date: April 28, 2015 05:47PM

Early bird & worm Wrote:
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> Um, we woke up at 5:45 every day as high school
> start time was 7:20. So don't go making blanket
> statements when you haven't checked your facts.


+1. 6:15AM bus in upstate NY, where we didn't close schools for 3" of snow or some cold temperatures.

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Re: SCHOOL START TIME CHANGE FAILURE
Posted by: Arlington and Loudoun counties ()
Date: April 28, 2015 08:16PM

They have implemented later start times and they still have great sport programs. It is really not a big deal.

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Re: SCHOOL START TIME CHANGE FAILURE
Posted by: MVJwL ()
Date: August 04, 2015 03:14PM

When do the buses start doing their dry runs to flesh out schedules? Can't want to see the debacle of later start time but only slightly later bus stop time.

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Re: SCHOOL START TIME CHANGE FAILURE
Posted by: walker.. ()
Date: August 10, 2015 05:08PM

Arlington and Loudoun counties Wrote:
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> They have implemented later start times and they
> still have great sport programs. It is really not
> a big deal.


A big percentage of Arlington kids walk to school, even at the HS level, due to how compact the communities are in Arlington. And Loudoun and Fairfax do not compare on traffic.

This fall is going to be a bitch getting to school for everyone - Fairfax went from having about a 1/3 of the students in seats prior to morning rush to having all students on the road during rush. That's an extra 50 - 60K kids on the road during the heart of rush hour. Should work just fine.

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Re: SCHOOL START TIME CHANGE FAILURE
Posted by: btdt ()
Date: August 10, 2015 05:44PM

Drivers won't get their assignments until end of next week. Should be interesting

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Re: SCHOOL START TIME CHANGE FAILURE
Posted by: total gridlock ()
Date: August 10, 2015 08:53PM

Don't plan on getting to work on time at all the first week of school

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Re: SCHOOL START TIME CHANGE FAILURE
Posted by: DanKnows ()
Date: August 11, 2015 10:18AM

Bill.N. Wrote:
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> sports dad Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > People bitch about over scheduling kids - it's
> not
> > like they are reading the classics or
> volunteering
> > at the shelter in their spare time.
>
> Speak for yourself. My kids were juggling jobs,
> school athletics, non-school athletics and outside
> educational programs. Having school start an hour
> later would have meant losing out on some of
> these. This is why I fought the proposal for
> probably 10 years.


It took your kids 10 years to finish high school. Maybe they should have focused on schoolwork instead of extra curriculars.

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Re: SCHOOL START TIME CHANGE FAILURE
Posted by: READINGCOMPREHENSION ()
Date: August 11, 2015 10:25AM

DanKnows Wrote:
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> It took your kids 10 years to finish high school.
> Maybe they should have focused on schoolwork
> instead of extra curriculars.

Kids = more than 1. With only 3 kids spread 4 years apart that's 12 years of high school right there.

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Re: SCHOOL START TIME CHANGE FAILURE
Posted by: Bill.N. ()
Date: August 11, 2015 01:29PM

DanKnows Wrote:
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> It took your kids 10 years to finish high school.

Not everyone has triplets so yes it took more than four years from the time my oldest started high school until the time my youngest graduated. Plus I was fighting the issue even before my kids got to high school.

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Re: SCHOOL START TIME CHANGE FAILURE
Posted by: xYNpk ()
Date: August 11, 2015 02:15PM

walker.. Wrote:
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> Arlington and Loudoun counties Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > They have implemented later start times and
> they
> > still have great sport programs. It is really
> not
> > a big deal.
>
>
> A big percentage of Arlington kids walk to school,
> even at the HS level, due to how compact the
> communities are in Arlington. And Loudoun and
> Fairfax do not compare on traffic.
>
> This fall is going to be a bitch getting to school
> for everyone - Fairfax went from having about a
> 1/3 of the students in seats prior to morning rush
> to having all students on the road during rush.
> That's an extra 50 - 60K kids on the road during
> the heart of rush hour. Should work just fine.

Same thing on the other end. Instead of kids being home before rush hour starts, the new times ensure they are on the road just in time to mess up traffic for the evening rush. I hate the school board for not taking into consideration the parents point of view. We all know it's not about the kids getting enough sleep, right?

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Re: SCHOOL START TIME CHANGE FAILURE
Posted by: NoOneCares ()
Date: August 11, 2015 02:43PM

Traffic probably wouldn't be as significant of a concern if an overwhelming majority of helicopter parents didn't drive their children to school every day from kindergarten through high school. It's not a significant difference. My after school activities are later now, boo hoo. Get over it, it's for a few years and you're on to college where you fuck around and skip classes and party all the time anyways, so let's quit acting like this is earth shaking. It's a schedule adjustment. Jesus. No one cares!

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Re: SCHOOL START TIME CHANGE FAILURE
Posted by: good point ()
Date: August 11, 2015 08:47PM

nostrodamos Wrote:
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>
> The "unexpected" issues will be when the
> transportation costs come in much higher and the
> actual school bus pick up times are not much later
> than this year. Of course those are all very
> predictable, by everyone in favor of later school
> times will act surprised.

+1

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