I read in todays paper that Hadeed is suing Yelp to get names of customers for posting bad reviews. I would recommend that people wanting their carpets cleaned check out their reviews first before they engage them as they intimidate customers posting bad reviews. Is this the kind of company you want to do business with?



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good, yelp is a defamatory website.

I'm suspicious of any company that advertises in the manner they do; near constant radio ads, sponsorship on the local news/weather, pop up ads everywhere.

Firsthand experience; my elderly mom hired Hadeed to clean three tiled bathrooms. The crew ended up power washing the floor tiles and in the process, removed the original glossy varnish layer. Now all cloudy and pitted.

Today's paper?

http://www.businessinsider.com/hadeed-negative-yelp-reviews-lawsuit-2014-1

I thought the issue was Hadeed wanted yelp to reveal the names of those who gave a bad review to see if they had really been customers.

That was my understanding as well.

I only go to Yelp for a good laugh.

I'm a lawyer, and I want to know what the dumbasses out there have to say about lawyers. Some of the reviews are hilarious.

If I wanted to hire a lawyer, or any other service person, I would rely on good old-fashioned referrals, and not some site where a mentally-ill person can post their defamation.

Ironic that they are claiming the negative reviews are fake since almost all the glowing reviews on Yelp are fakes posted by the owner or employees of the company.

Burkeman Wrote:
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> I read in todays paper that Hadeed is suing Yelp
> to get names of customers for posting bad reviews.
> I would recommend that people wanting their
> carpets cleaned check out their reviews first
> before they engage them as they intimidate
> customers posting bad reviews. Is this the kind
> of company you want to do business with?

Where in the Constitution does it say you have a right to anonymously defame someone? If you only write truthful reviews, you would never worry about your name being released.

Watch this interview http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?video=3000363770 of Yelp PR person and documentary filmmaker - Yelp found the data on reviewers in this instance.

huwTv Wrote:
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> Burkeman Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I read in todays paper that Hadeed is suing
> Yelp
> > to get names of customers for posting bad
> reviews.
> > I would recommend that people wanting their
> > carpets cleaned check out their reviews first
> > before they engage them as they intimidate
> > customers posting bad reviews. Is this the
> kind
> > of company you want to do business with?
>
> Where in the Constitution does it say you have a
> right to anonymously defame someone? If you only
> write truthful reviews, you would never worry
> about your name being released.
>
> Watch this interview
> http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?video=3000363770 of
> Yelp PR person and documentary filmmaker - Yelp
> found the data on reviewers in this instance.

I don't see anyone saying they are afraid of being revealed. Yelp is protecting its own interests. Your video only shows a very weak opponent of Yelp. I couldn't find her gofundme account for the documentary.



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huwTv Wrote:
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> Burkeman Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I read in todays paper that Hadeed is suing
> Yelp
> > to get names of customers for posting bad
> reviews.
> > I would recommend that people wanting their
> > carpets cleaned check out their reviews first
> > before they engage them as they intimidate
> > customers posting bad reviews. Is this the
> kind
> > of company you want to do business with?
>
> Where in the Constitution does it say you have a
> right to anonymously defame someone? If you only
> write truthful reviews, you would never worry
> about your name being released.
>
> Watch this interview
> http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?video=3000363770 of
> Yelp PR person and documentary filmmaker - Yelp
> found the data on reviewers in this instance.

You do understand that something that's defamatory is not necessarily untrue, right?

This lawsuit is a terrible idea. All this lawsuit is going to do is shed light on their terrible Yelp reviews. I just looked them up and they have an average of 2/5 five stars on over 50 reviews. Most posters were real and had friends and connections. Mark my words, this will backfire on them.

hadeed vs yelp Wrote:
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> This lawsuit is a terrible idea. All this lawsuit
> is going to do is shed light on their terrible
> Yelp reviews. I just looked them up and they have
> an average of 2/5 five stars on over 50 reviews.
> Most posters were real and had friends and
> connections. Mark my words, this will backfire on
> them.


I've wondered what they would do if the reviewer turned out to be a real customer. That would have very negative consequences for their business, They've gone all in on this lawsuit, so I suspect they know the review was fake. If not, then it would be super reckless.

Yale Lock Wrote:
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> I'm suspicious of any company that advertises in
> the manner they do; near constant radio ads,
> sponsorship on the local news/weather, pop up ads
> everywhere.
>
> Firsthand experience; my elderly mom hired Hadeed
> to clean three tiled bathrooms. The crew ended up
> power washing the floor tiles and in the process,
> removed the original glossy varnish layer. Now
> all cloudy and pitted.

Why would you hire a carpet cleaning company to clean tile bathrooms?
If you hired a lawn mowing company to pave your driveway, or an auto body shop to fix your computer, or a psychiatrist to reattach your severed finger, would you be surprised if it turned out they didn't know what they were doing?

To anyone attempting to defend the shithole of a business suing people over their right to freedom of speech by posting negative, truthful reviews deserves to be shot.


Go move to the ME if you want to live without freedom to say what you would like. Sounds like "Hadeed" didn't get the memo he's in America now.

Alexander Smith Wrote:
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> To anyone attempting to defend the shithole of a
> business suing people over their right to freedom
> of speech by posting negative, truthful reviews
> deserves to be shot.
>
>
> Go move to the ME if you want to live without
> freedom to say what you would like. Sounds like
> "Hadeed" didn't get the memo he's in America now.


He's white, you dumbass racist piece of shit. His father started the company 50 years ago. From the website:

"After completing military service in 1954, Michael, along with his brother Teddy, founded Hadeed Carpet in 1955. He had gained experience in the business while working for a large Washington, DC area rug cleaner."

Care to FAIL some more?

TimeTravel Wrote:
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> Today's paper?
>
> http://www.businessinsider.com/hadeed-negative-yel
> p-reviews-lawsuit-2014-1

Yes, today's paper

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/negative-yelp-review-of-dog-obedience-class-spurs-lawsuit/2015/03/25/eb92dab6-d183-11e4-8fce-3941fc548f1c_story.html

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“We don’t have any rude, unpleasant people here. We’re different!”

As usual, The lawyers make money off of this.

huwTv Wrote:
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>
> Where in the Constitution does it say you have a
> right to anonymously defame someone? If you only
> write truthful reviews, you would never worry
> about your name being released.
>
> Watch this interview
> http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?video=3000363770 of
> Yelp PR person and documentary filmmaker - Yelp
> found the data on reviewers in this instance.


Where in the Constitution does it say you can't? If anything, the 1st Amendment as written would support defamation rather than curtail it. Later Supreme Court rulings provided clarification (but that was never put back into the Constitution via an amendment). Defamation isn't a Constitutional issue Goob.

specialist Wrote:
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> Yale Lock Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I'm suspicious of any company that advertises
> in
> > the manner they do; near constant radio ads,
> > sponsorship on the local news/weather, pop up
> ads
> > everywhere.
> >
> > Firsthand experience; my elderly mom hired
> Hadeed
> > to clean three tiled bathrooms. The crew ended
> up
> > power washing the floor tiles and in the
> process,
> > removed the original glossy varnish layer. Now
> > all cloudy and pitted.
>
> Why would you hire a carpet cleaning company to
> clean tile bathrooms?
> If you hired a lawn mowing company to pave your
> driveway, or an auto body shop to fix your
> computer, or a psychiatrist to reattach your
> severed finger, would you be surprised if it
> turned out they didn't know what they were doing?

Haven't you heard their ads? They do it all carpet and floor and whole house cleaning.

Mike O'Meara Show Fan Wrote:
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> huwTv Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Burkeman Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > I read in todays paper that Hadeed is suing
> > Yelp
> > > to get names of customers for posting bad
> > reviews.
> > > I would recommend that people wanting their
> > > carpets cleaned check out their reviews first
> > > before they engage them as they intimidate
> > > customers posting bad reviews. Is this the
> > kind
> > > of company you want to do business with?
> >
> > Where in the Constitution does it say you have
> a
> > right to anonymously defame someone? If you
> only
> > write truthful reviews, you would never worry
> > about your name being released.
> >
> > Watch this interview
> > http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?video=3000363770
> of
> > Yelp PR person and documentary filmmaker - Yelp
> > found the data on reviewers in this instance.
>
> You do understand that something that's defamatory
> is not necessarily untrue, right?


I refer you to Mr. Webster:

defamation
noun def·a·ma·tion
: the act of saying false things in order to make people have a bad opinion of
someone or something : the act of defaming someone or something

So defamation by definition is untrue. To quote an old saying, the truth is an absolute defense to defamation. So if someone says they charged me double the original estimate, if they showed an original estimate and a final bill that was double, that's an airtight defense. You can also freely express opinions - "I thought the service person was rude" or something like that. Defamation is when you say something that is untrue and you are in trouble if it can be proved untrue. If you said "They charged me double the estimate" and the business can show they did not, that is false. You cannot do that and can be sued for damages. This goes back centuries in English common law.

In the US, the burden of proof is on the person claiming the defamation. Of course, if your defense is the truthfulness of your statement, you would be presenting that. The murky area is opinion - what is fact versus opinion? Things like "They overcharged me" or "They did not clean the carpet" could be fact or opinion, and I don't think most Yelp reviewers are going to post reviews making clear distinctions between fact and opinion.

King Yo Wrote:
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> huwTv Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> >
> > Where in the Constitution does it say you have
> a
> > right to anonymously defame someone? If you
> only
> > write truthful reviews, you would never worry
> > about your name being released.
> >
> > Watch this interview
> > http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?video=3000363770
> of
> > Yelp PR person and documentary filmmaker - Yelp
> > found the data on reviewers in this instance.
>
>
> Where in the Constitution does it say you can't?
> If anything, the 1st Amendment as written would
> support defamation rather than curtail it. Later
> Supreme Court rulings provided clarification (but
> that was never put back into the Constitution via
> an amendment). Defamation isn't a Constitutional
> issue Goob.


Just like you cannot yell Fire in a crowded theater, you cannot make untrue statements that damage another person or business. The First Amendment protects political and opinion speech - it does not protect defamatory speech. It also does not provide protection for trade speech, speech of people in the military, or students as school. It does not say "You can say whatever the hell you want, anytime, anywhere". In that case perjury would be free speech and so would bomb threats.

So you are suspicious of companies that advertise? Im not defending nor do I give a shit about hadeed, but you sounds like an idiot. Radio spots, sponsorships and pop-up ads are just marketing tactics, not sure why it is suspicious lol

There is a very fine line between defamation and opinion. What you consider to be true the other party does not consider to be true or perhaps wishes it wasn't, so then they start screaming defamation, when in all actuality you have a right to your opinion. Or, people start screaming defamation as a scare tactic when they don't want to own up to what they actually did.

Looks like he tried to hide the other yelp page with his more recent one under a different address.


http://www.yelp.com/biz/hadeed-oriental-rug-cleaning-washington


http://www.yelp.com/biz/hadeed-carpet-alexandria


If you use any service by a company with the name of Hadeed, you deserve whats coming.

21qoiue9328e9d4d Wrote:
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> So you are suspicious of companies that advertise?
> Im not defending nor do I give a shit about
> hadeed, but you sounds like an idiot. Radio spots,
> sponsorships and pop-up ads are just marketing
> tactics, not sure why it is suspicious lol


I would avoid any company that advertises heavily on the radio; I have gotten ad quotes myself from WTOP. That is a tremendous expense for the business and results in inflated prices to customers. You're better off using a company with a good reputation that does not advertise on radio.

I read Tripadvisor reviews frequently and write some too. When you read some and then go to a place, it is amazing the level of variability of people's impressions/opinions. When I am on vacation, I try to roll with the punches, knowing not every aspect of what I planned will work out exactly the way I expect. From some people's review, their expectations of what they will get from a hotel/restaurant/other business is pretty much unachievable, so no matter what happens, they write a bad review.

I feel for these small businesses that have to work with the existence of the review sites. It can give people that are really very unreasonable a pretty big megaphone.

In many cases, bad reviews are written by someone from the competition. Just as someone from Sony might write bad reviews about Samsung, and vice-versa, someone from Stanley Steemer might write bad reviews about Hadeed, and vice-versa. It is always best to read reviews from an independent source such as Consumer Reports, Washington Checkbook, or the like. In a good review you want facts, not opinions.

oldguy Wrote:
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> In many cases, bad reviews are written by someone
> from the competition. Just as someone from Sony
> might write bad reviews about Samsung, and
> vice-versa, someone from Stanley Steemer might
> write bad reviews about Hadeed, and vice-versa.
> It is always best to read reviews from an
> independent source such as Consumer Reports,
> Washington Checkbook, or the like. In a good
> review you want facts, not opinions.


Waitaminnit, are you saying if it's on the Internet it might not be true? You just shook my world like a Kansas City hooker.

What makes a so-called expert's opinion better than Mabel Mae down the street? What matters isn't the credentials of the person. Rather it is the accuracy of the opinion and whether it reflects typical product/service performance.

The difficulty with Yelp type reviews is that there is no way to test either of these factors. However that does not mean that reviews on them are not accurate. So I merely consider them as simply another source of information.

pro se Wrote:
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> King Yo Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > huwTv Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> >
> > >
> > > Where in the Constitution does it say you
> have
> > a
> > > right to anonymously defame someone? If you
> > only
> > > write truthful reviews, you would never worry
> > > about your name being released.
> > >
> > > Watch this interview
> > >
> http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?video=3000363770
> > of
> > > Yelp PR person and documentary filmmaker -
> Yelp
> > > found the data on reviewers in this instance.
> >
> >
> > Where in the Constitution does it say you can't?
>
> > If anything, the 1st Amendment as written would
> > support defamation rather than curtail it.
> Later
> > Supreme Court rulings provided clarification
> (but
> > that was never put back into the Constitution
> via
> > an amendment). Defamation isn't a
> Constitutional
> > issue Goob.
>
>
> Just like you cannot yell Fire in a crowded
> theater, you cannot make untrue statements that
> damage another person or business. The First
> Amendment protects political and opinion speech -
> it does not protect defamatory speech. It also
> does not provide protection for trade speech,
> speech of people in the military, or students as
> school. It does not say "You can say whatever the
> hell you want, anytime, anywhere". In that case
> perjury would be free speech and so would bomb
> threats.


Do you understand English? What you wrote has almost nothing to do with what you are responding to. Reread it and tell us again how what your wrote corrects or informs the post you quoted. Moron

Bill.N. Wrote:
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> What makes a so-called expert's opinion better
> than Mabel Mae down the street? What matters
> isn't the credentials of the person. Rather it is
> the accuracy of the opinion and whether it
> reflects typical product/service performance.
>
> The difficulty with Yelp type reviews is that
> there is no way to test either of these factors.
> However that does not mean that reviews on them
> are not accurate. So I merely consider them as
> simply another source of information.

Any of the places you read reviews (Yelp, Amazon, etc) have the outliers - the fansboys on one side and the cranks on the other. If there are enough reviews, an intelligent reader will filter that stuff out. For small businesses that don't get many reviews, I would imagine a single poor review could hurt a lot. Small consumer-focused businesses are really targeted by Yelp, Google, and other review sites for advertising, like they were 30 years ago for Yellow Pages ads.

I would imagine it must be frustrating for a small business owner on the one hand to be beat up by on a review site while at the same time being solicited by them for advertising.

Bill.N. Wrote:
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> What makes a so-called expert's opinion better
> than Mabel Mae down the street? What matters
> isn't the credentials of the person. Rather it is
> the accuracy of the opinion and whether it
> reflects typical product/service performance.
>
> The difficulty with Yelp type reviews is that
> there is no way to test either of these factors.
> However that does not mean that reviews on them
> are not accurate. So I merely consider them as
> simply another source of information.

Again, you use the word opinion. As I said, a good review gives facts, not opinions. But I do agree that consumer review sites may be somewhat helpful and just a part of the overall review process before plunking down big bucks, or even small bucks for that matter.

Hadeed is a filthy money swindling camel jockey. Don't trust those Arab traders.

Hadeed raghead Wrote:
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> Hadeed is a filthy money swindling camel jockey.
> Don't trust those Arab traders.


LOL he's white you dumb hick...

Burkeman Wrote:
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> I read in todays paper that Hadeed is suing Yelp
> to get names of customers for posting bad reviews.
> I would recommend that people wanting their
> carpets cleaned check out their reviews first
> before they engage them as they intimidate
> customers posting bad reviews. Is this the kind
> of company you want to do business with?

+1

suing the internet for money. i'm sure bill gates will hand you cash it's not like he's a greedy usa attacking baron.

Alexander Dumbass Wrote:
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> Alexander Smith Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > To anyone attempting to defend the shithole of
> a
> > business suing people over their right to
> freedom
> > of speech by posting negative, truthful reviews
> > deserves to be shot.
> >
> >
> > Go move to the ME if you want to live without
> > freedom to say what you would like. Sounds like
> > "Hadeed" didn't get the memo he's in America
> now.
>
>
> He's white, you dumbass racist piece of shit. His
> father started the company 50 years ago. From the
> website:
>
> "After completing military service in 1954,
> Michael, along with his brother Teddy, founded
> Hadeed Carpet in 1955. He had gained experience in
> the business while working for a large Washington,
> DC area rug cleaner."
>
> Care to FAIL some more?


My post had very little to do with race, even though if you really do care he's definitely NOT white and looks like a straight-up raghead.

My post was about my FREEDOM of speech not being infringed upon by some piece of shit carpet company.


Looks like I got you good. Check your facts next time before posting.

I can see why Joe is so touchy. Someone put his name into the Urban Dictionary.



Joe Hadeed
a selfish inconsiderate person who lacks most social communication methods.

a human like thing that lives and scavenges at the bottom of filthy places.
one who acts as if a God, but in actuality is a very sad depressed creature who is afraid and just looking for a mothers titty
to be very cheap
to get enhancement surgery on reproductive organ
to be pretentious

an asshole
yo man lets walk across the street here comes joe hadeed
god dam it its joe hadeed
i dont think i can look at you anymore you're being a complete joe hadeed
joe hadeed is a dick
by val_H May 02, 2013

Ying Ko Wrote:
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> I can see why Joe is so touchy. Someone put his
> name into the Urban Dictionary.
>
>
>
> Joe Hadeed
> a selfish inconsiderate person who lacks most
> social communication methods.
>
> a human like thing that lives and scavenges at the
> bottom of filthy places.
> one who acts as if a God, but in actuality is a
> very sad depressed creature who is afraid and just
> looking for a mothers titty
> to be very cheap
> to get enhancement surgery on reproductive organ
> to be pretentious
>
> an asshole
> yo man lets walk across the street here comes joe
> hadeed
> god dam it its joe hadeed
> i dont think i can look at you anymore you're
> being a complete joe hadeed
> joe hadeed is a dick
> by val_H May 02, 2013

Haha! That gave me a pretty good laugh. It seems like everyone in the Northern Virginia area has heard about how shitty him and that worthless company are. I hope they go under soon, pulling shit like attempting to file a lawsuit to figure out the names of reviewers.

Alexander Smith Wrote:
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> Ying Ko Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I can see why Joe is so touchy. Someone put his
> > name into the Urban Dictionary.
> >
> >
> >
> > Joe Hadeed
> > a selfish inconsiderate person who lacks most
> > social communication methods.
> >
> > a human like thing that lives and scavenges at
> the
> > bottom of filthy places.
> > one who acts as if a God, but in actuality is a
> > very sad depressed creature who is afraid and
> just
> > looking for a mothers titty
> > to be very cheap
> > to get enhancement surgery on reproductive
> organ
> > to be pretentious
> >
> > an asshole
> > yo man lets walk across the street here comes
> joe
> > hadeed
> > god dam it its joe hadeed
> > i dont think i can look at you anymore you're
> > being a complete joe hadeed
> > joe hadeed is a dick
> > by val_H May 02, 2013
>
> Haha! That gave me a pretty good laugh. It seems
> like everyone in the Northern Virginia area has
> heard about how shitty him and that worthless
> company are. I hope they go under soon, pulling
> shit like attempting to file a lawsuit to figure
> out the names of reviewers.


LOL this is quite different from your initial post regarding this matter?

What happened to "the Hadeeds are fucking arab goat fuckers who deserve to die just for that?!"

LOL

+ you thought this case was about freedom of speech... without even reading the SUBJECT of the damn thread! LMAO

oldguy Wrote:
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> Again, you use the word opinion. As I said,
> a good review gives facts, not opinions.

Reviews are usually opinions based on facts.

zlkdN Wrote:
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> Alexander Smith Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Ying Ko Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > I can see why Joe is so touchy. Someone put
> his
> > > name into the Urban Dictionary.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Joe Hadeed
> > > a selfish inconsiderate person who lacks most
> > > social communication methods.
> > >
> > > a human like thing that lives and scavenges
> at
> > the
> > > bottom of filthy places.
> > > one who acts as if a God, but in actuality is
> a
> > > very sad depressed creature who is afraid and
> > just
> > > looking for a mothers titty
> > > to be very cheap
> > > to get enhancement surgery on reproductive
> > organ
> > > to be pretentious
> > >
> > > an asshole
> > > yo man lets walk across the street here comes
> > joe
> > > hadeed
> > > god dam it its joe hadeed
> > > i dont think i can look at you anymore you're
> > > being a complete joe hadeed
> > > joe hadeed is a dick
> > > by val_H May 02, 2013
> >
> > Haha! That gave me a pretty good laugh. It
> seems
> > like everyone in the Northern Virginia area has
> > heard about how shitty him and that worthless
> > company are. I hope they go under soon, pulling
> > shit like attempting to file a lawsuit to
> figure
> > out the names of reviewers.
>
>
> LOL this is quite different from your initial post
> regarding this matter?
>
> What happened to "the Hadeeds are fucking arab
> goat fuckers who deserve to die just for that?!"
>
> LOL
>
> + you thought this case was about freedom of
> speech... without even reading the SUBJECT of the
> damn thread! LMAO

And you make a fool of your self once again. Where did I ever say what was quoted by you? I said they deserve to die because they are violating all of America's fundamental rights. Not because he's a "goat fucker" you idiot.

Goat fucking is illegal in Virginia. It's not a capital offense though.

Bumping this thread since its getting close to the bottom of the page.


All of the greater Virginia area needs to know the crimes against society this mother fucker committed, suing people for their freedom of speech.

If you need to get your carpet cleaned, never ever use these assholes. I hope they get put out of business promptly and have to move somewhere really shitty like Maryland.

Eff the haters, Joe! You rock!