yes I know that FFU maynot be the pest place to ask this ask this question, but I will anyhow...

Ok, I know that most of us when growing up had our parents take us out to an empty parking lot or desolate neighborhood that never really took off and thus the streets are pretty empty.

Are there places like that around here. Vienna, Sterling, Reston area.

The only close place I have found is Wolf Trap parking lot.

Parking lot at McLean Bible Church?

http://goo.gl/maps/8X0Je

Whatever this place is. It's got turns, intersections, etc. and looks completely abandoned.

The only way to learn how to drive is highway driving. Try 66 or 95

Go big--- yeah but then she'd only go about 10-20mph with all the traffic.

She will be taught in a drivers education class as well. Ijust want her to be comfortable behind the wheel when she starts the class.

Try Here,

that used to be some tech office building thats been torn down... last time I drove by it all the entrances were chained/gated to keep out riff raff like me...

this is thelot that I have been using...along with a few other people it seems...
https://www.google.com/maps/place/The+Barns+at+Wolf+Trap/@38.9394878,-77.2697564,328m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x7f8ad69f1288d101

I also thought about the lots at Dulles some of the long term parking there is alwasy one or wo that are empty but they seem to keep them locked down except durring holidays or special events...

What about many of those complexes in Reston? They have to be empty on the weekend.

http://goo.gl/maps/PNm30

http://goo.gl/maps/9IgO0

http://goo.gl/maps/9rYtq

Two good locations to use on weekends, though they sound like they may be a longer trip for you than the places you mentioned, are Northern Virginia Community College on 236 or WT Woodson High School.

Woodson's lot is smaller than it was in the 1980s, but it should still be adequate. If you're teaching your kid to drive a manual, Woodson is good because the middle entrance/exit on Whitacre Road is on a slope, so you can work on starting on a hill without having to worry about disrupting traffic. (Indeed that spot is where my father taught me to drive a manual shift back in the late 1980s. I taught one of my college roommates to drive that same car in that lot several years later.)

I used the NOVA lot when I was 18 to teach my brother to drive the manual shift in a car I was selling to him. He could drive a manual, but the one on which he learned was Japanese and the car I was selling him was an American dinosaur with a truck transmission. Under those circumstances, I didn't need a hill to teach him, just a place with space for him to learn the longer clutch throw and different shift pattern.

Depending on whether it's empty, the big lot at GMU to the west of the Patriot Center (across the street towards 123 as though you were heading up Patriot Circle to the roundabout) might be a good one.

South Lakes, Oakton, and Herndon High Schools all have smaller lots that probably won't do. If you need to stay closer to Sterling and Reston, maybe the sea of parking around Dulles Town Center might be a good location. It always seems like they have more than they need. Once you feel your kid is ready to go out onto the road, you can easily use Pacific Boulevard as a less-busy alternative to Route 28, go down to Waxpool Road, and head out to the Loudoun County Parkway.

Just exactly how stupid are you? She must be in high school, so why not just ask her which high school she goes to and if it has a parking lot?

Take them on the Beltway. The curvy part between Wisconsin and Georgia. Trial by fire. If you can't hack that then you shouldn't be driving.

Mjs82 Wrote:
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> yes I know that FFU maynot be the pest place to
> ask this ask this question, but I will anyhow...
>
> Ok, I know that most of us when growing up had
> our parents take us out to an empty parking lot or
> desolate neighborhood that never really took off
> and thus the streets are pretty empty.
>
> Are there places like that around here. Vienna,
> Sterling, Reston area.
>
> The only close place I have found is Wolf Trap
> parking lot.

In Vienna, I'd probably try a loop from the Vienna Community Center using
Cottage Stree and Park Street. It's all flat and the traffic is slow. You could try parking in the old Magruders-Rexall's shopping strip.

After a while, you could go all the way to Gallows Rd and expand your loop to include a return trip on Chain Bridge Rd from Tysons Corner.

If you can safely handle driving between 5 mattress stores, you're probably ready for Greater Vienna.

DC
National Arboretum
25MPH
Intersections
Hills
Parallel Parking
It's all there.

The parking lots behind the NOVA campus, you can practice parking there.

___________________________________________________________
“Imitation is suicide.”
-Ralph Waldo Emerson

What's to learn in a parking lot? Everything is automatic - put foot down and go. It's not like a motorcycle or manual transmission. The only thing she needs, is hands-on experience with OTHER drivers. Go where they are. Maybe start her early Sunday morning with slow traffic and work your way into Sunday brunch after church.

Teach the rules of the road as she encounters them. She's already done the bookwork. Teach her courtesy (waiting patiently for someone to finish backing up in a parking lot instead of racing behind them. Finally, teach her defensive driving (being ready for the stupid shit that driver next to you might do).

Oh and say your prayers and shut your mouth.

Do you have a "Student Driver" sign you can put up?

Do you know the rules?

A parking lot is a good place for a novice to learn how to gauge the size of the car (by having the novice pull into the space) and the feel of the brakes. It's an excellent place to learn how to work the clutch. Put the car directly in front of an empty parking space and have the student driver pull the car into the space using only the clutch and the brake. If you stall or make it jerk, you fail and have to try again.

Do they know how to talk and drive?

Can they balance a sandwich, a drink, and the steering wheel?

Can they bang their heads to Taylor Swift while driving?

Most importantly, can she text AND know when the light turns green? If she fails this test, make it a priority lesson. Have her practice self-control by putting her phone down and looking st the road over-and-over-again. It may take many repetitions and much practice but well-worth the effort.

Thanks for taking on this challenge. We're all counting on you.

If you want her to get comfortable with the car just tell her to keep one hand on the wheel at all times and her other hand clenching a phone. Mastering the cell phone technique will last her a life time as many moms in this area can tell you. Once she starts texting while turning you know your job is done.

And by "teaching your child to drive", I'm assuming this means they'll learn to drive a car with a manual transmission, right? Because only real cars have 3 or more pedals. And what better way to keep your new teenaged driver off their cell phone than by giving them something to do with BOTH hands that is integral to driving and reaching their residential safely?

Reston: maybe Association Drive on the weekend?

NOVA.Dude Wrote:
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> And by "teaching your child to drive", I'm
> assuming this means they'll learn to drive a car
> with a manual transmission, right? Because only
> real cars have 3 or more pedals. And what better
> way to keep your new teenaged driver off their
> cell phone than by giving them something to do
> with BOTH hands that is integral to driving and
> reaching their residential safely?


Gas, Brake, parking brake...Yes it's a real car!

What car has more than three pedals???

vettel Wrote:
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> NOVA.Dude Wrote:
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> > And by "teaching your child to drive", I'm
> > assuming this means they'll learn to drive a
> car
> > with a manual transmission, right? Because only
> > real cars have 3 or more pedals. And what
> better
> > way to keep your new teenaged driver off their
> > cell phone than by giving them something to do
> > with BOTH hands that is integral to driving and
> > reaching their residential safely?
>
>
> Gas, Brake, parking brake...Yes it's a real car!
>
> What car has more than three pedals???

You mean a clutch pedal, not a parking brake, right?



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> > -----
> > > And by "teaching your child to drive", I'm
> > > assuming this means they'll learn to drive a
> > car
> > > with a manual transmission, right? Because
> only
> > > real cars have 3 or more pedals. And what
> > better
> > > way to keep your new teenaged driver off
> their
> > > cell phone than by giving them something to
> do
> > > with BOTH hands that is integral to driving
> and
> > > reaching their residential safely?
> >
> >
> > Gas, Brake, parking brake...Yes it's a real
> car!
> >
> > What car has more than three pedals???
>
> You mean a clutch pedal, not a parking brake,
> right?


No, it was a joke.

Enroll your kid in the Accident Avoidance program at Summit Point...the best $350 you will ever spend.

http://accidentavoidance.com/

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> > vettel Wrote:
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> > > NOVA.Dude Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > And by "teaching your child to drive", I'm
> > > > assuming this means they'll learn to drive
> a
> > > car
> > > > with a manual transmission, right? Because
> > only
> > > > real cars have 3 or more pedals. And what
> > > better
> > > > way to keep your new teenaged driver off
> > their
> > > > cell phone than by giving them something to
> > do
> > > > with BOTH hands that is integral to driving
> > and
> > > > reaching their residential safely?
> > >
> > >
> > > Gas, Brake, parking brake...Yes it's a real
> > car!
> > >
> > > What car has more than three pedals???
> >
> > You mean a clutch pedal, not a parking brake,
> > right?
>
>
> No, it was a joke.


No. The parking break. Hahahahaha! Just visualizing that.

vettel Wrote:
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> NOVA.Dude Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > And by "teaching your child to drive", I'm
> > assuming this means they'll learn to drive a
> car
> > with a manual transmission, right? Because only
> > real cars have 3 or more pedals. And what
> better
> > way to keep your new teenaged driver off their
> > cell phone than by giving them something to do
> > with BOTH hands that is integral to driving and
> > reaching their residential safely?
>
>
> Gas, Brake, parking brake...Yes it's a real car!
>
> What car has more than three pedals???


I once had a car (1977 Ford Granada) with four pedals: gas, brake, clutch, pedal-operated parking brake; in addition, the high-beams were turned on and off via a foot-operated button located to the left of the clutch in the dead pedal area.

1995hoo Wrote:
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> vettel Wrote:
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> > NOVA.Dude Wrote:
> >
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> > -----
> > > And by "teaching your child to drive", I'm
> > > assuming this means they'll learn to drive a
> > car
> > > with a manual transmission, right? Because
> only
> > > real cars have 3 or more pedals. And what
> > better
> > > way to keep your new teenaged driver off
> their
> > > cell phone than by giving them something to
> do
> > > with BOTH hands that is integral to driving
> and
> > > reaching their residential safely?
> >
> >
> > Gas, Brake, parking brake...Yes it's a real
> car!
> >
> > What car has more than three pedals???
>
>
> I once had a car (1977 Ford Granada) with four
> pedals: gas, brake, clutch, pedal-operated parking
> brake; in addition, the high-beams were turned on
> and off via a foot-operated button located to the
> left of the clutch in the dead pedal area.


I just saw pictures of it,thanks for letting me know, I wonder how many other cars have a setup like this.

the bright lights foot-button on the floor, was always on the floor from what I remember on American 70s versions anyway. Clutch, was just a clutch. In our family, we always had manual transmission. I guess because they were cheaper.

My dad taught me on back country roads. He started by having me let the car roll up to about 10-12 mph and he had me Slam on the brakes pre ABS. Amazing how violent it was to someone not used to the power of a car. I then drove two lane roads for awhile absolutely white knuckling it - the idea of going 40 mph in one direction with only a double yellow protecting you from oncoming traffic is pretty scary at first.

Hey folks thanks for the ideas, and funny banter. Nice to see a thead in FFU not go totaly south.

more info..

My daughter has not taken any drivers ed classes... She does NOT have her LP, still a few months away. does have practice in golf carts on roads with other golf carts (The Villages, Florida)

Getting on public streets right now isn't really my goal.


I have spent a lot of time at Summit point, along with seat time, Fruiday at the Track, and SCCA events... But BSR you must have a drivers lisence. so any BSR classes won't hapen until next year.


I'm not "teaching" her to drive per se. just getting her comfortable behind the wheel of a vehicle larger than a golf cart or a riding lawn mower. Turning, stopping, starting, turn signals. smooth operation, not herky jerky. Learnigto estimate where the end of the vehicle is, not knocking cones over when she turns a corner... ect..

Yes its an automatic so basically stab and go. But doing it smoothly. I wish I still had a Stick shift...Best theft deterent around and a drving one is becomoming a lost art..

Take her to the Korean mega church off of Lee Hwy in Centreville. There she will learn how to avoid dangerous drivers and how to park a vehicle properly.

Once, when driving a passenger older and wiser than me, I learned a good way to stop the vehicle without jarring the passenger or the car. Sitting behind the wheel, you don't feel a stop like the passenger does.

"when breaking to come to a stop, let off the pedal a little right before you make the stop." Doing this takes that whip out of the stop. Works like a charm.

Oh, and for pitty's sake, teach her to keep her foot OFF the break. I hate riding behind people resting on their break.

Thank you.

nnbag

I'll do my best....no promises...

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> > vettel Wrote:
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>
> > -----
> > > NOVA.Dude Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > And by "teaching your child to drive", I'm
> > > > assuming this means they'll learn to drive
> a
> > > car
> > > > with a manual transmission, right? Because
> > only
> > > > real cars have 3 or more pedals. And what
> > > better
> > > > way to keep your new teenaged driver off
> > their
> > > > cell phone than by giving them something to
> > do
> > > > with BOTH hands that is integral to driving
> > and
> > > > reaching their residential safely?
> > >
> > >
> > > Gas, Brake, parking brake...Yes it's a real
> > car!
> > >
> > > What car has more than three pedals???
> >
> >
> > I once had a car (1977 Ford Granada) with four
> > pedals: gas, brake, clutch, pedal-operated
> parking
> > brake; in addition, the high-beams were turned
> on
> > and off via a foot-operated button located to
> the
> > left of the clutch in the dead pedal area.
>
>
> I just saw pictures of it,thanks for letting me
> know, I wonder how many other cars have a setup
> like this.

The downside of the pedal-operated parking brake is that you can't do the "handbrake trick" on a steep hill because the brake release was just a T-shaped pull thing under the dashboard, similar to the hood release thing in many cars. So you couldn't release the brake gradually: You pulled the handle and the parking brake pedal immediately popped all the way up.

For the OP....if she doesn't have a learner's permit yet, then you absolutely need to stay off the streets because if something were to happen (accident, get pulled over, whatever), you'd be setting yourself up for trouble. Better just to avoid that.

When I taught my daughter to drive, we started in a corporate parking lot near the house, on a Sunday. The lot was empty, and we used the parking lanes and as "roads" and the landscaping islands as "corners". Let her get (semi-)comfortable behind the wheel before we ventured out onto the actual road.

NeedNewBreaksAgainDad! Wrote:
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> Once, when driving a passenger older and wiser
> than me, I learned a good way to stop the vehicle
> without jarring the passenger or the car. Sitting
> behind the wheel, you don't feel a stop like the
> passenger does.
>
> "when breaking to come to a stop, let off the
> pedal a little right before you make the stop."
> Doing this takes that whip out of the stop. Works
> like a charm.
>
> Oh, and for pitty's sake, teach her to keep her
> foot OFF the break. I hate riding behind people
> resting on their break.
>
> Thank you.

Great tip...pretty soon that becomes natural and you hardly even notice you're doing it.

I would also add:

1) Drive to the comfort of your passengers. You may feel fine going over that speed bump at 25...they might feel better at 15mph. Same for taking those on and off ramps at the car's limit of cohesion. Do that when you're alone in the car.

2) The greatest complement a passenger can pay to a driver...is to fall asleep in their seat. This should be your goal.

Greybeard.

I still worry about parking lot islands...don't need my rims and tires chewed up yet...nor do i want to have to worry about getting a new alignment...

not yet at least... :) I know its coming though...

Not much point getting an alignment at this time of year anyway in view of all the potholes.

When I was 15, Fair Oaks was just one year old. The parking lot was large and empty (except for a few light poles). I might have popped the clutch once or twice, but after a few minutes, I had the hang of it.

Also teach her NOT to use her phone when she's driving, regardless of the statistics you show girls, THEY WILL NOT GIVE A FUCK.

___________________________________________________________
“Imitation is suicide.”
-Ralph Waldo Emerson

mjs82 Wrote:
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> Greybeard.
>
> I still worry about parking lot islands...don't
> need my rims and tires chewed up yet...nor do i
> want to have to worry about getting a new
> alignment...
>
> not yet at least... :) I know its coming
> though...

Yeah, this lot was empty enough that we could stay FAR away from those while she got the feel of it.

Not that I had the moral high ground if she had hit anything: when I was 16, my dad took me out and one of the first things I did was back over a curb and rip the gas tank off the car. He was cool about it, said "Well, that was my fault: I should have taught you to STOP before I taught you to GO". But I still feel badly about it, more than three decades later...

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> > Greybeard.
> >
> > I still worry about parking lot islands...don't
> > need my rims and tires chewed up yet...nor do i
> > want to have to worry about getting a new
> > alignment...
> >
> > not yet at least... :) I know its coming
> > though...
>
> Yeah, this lot was empty enough that we could stay
> FAR away from those while she got the feel of it.
>
> Not that I had the moral high ground if she had
> hit anything: when I was 16, my dad took me out
> and one of the first things I did was back over a
> curb and rip the gas tank off the car. He was cool
> about it, said "Well, that was my fault: I should
> have taught you to STOP before I taught you to
> GO". But I still feel badly about it, more than
> three decades later...

Dag! Think how bad you'd feel if he looked at you like he didn't want anything to do with a stupid shit like you.

Biggest danger today are phones. I plan to install dash cam recording driver and front view along with gps tracking location speed and emergency stops. Ill review the video routinely especially the first year. If they use their phone once while the car is moving they get a 6 month suspension. I will work on myself as well. I try not to talk on the phone while driving and I try hard never to text but there are rare exceptions. The worst offender is using my iphone 4S for directions or traffic.

Interstate Wrote:
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> Take them on the Beltway. The curvy part between
> Wisconsin and Georgia. Trial by fire. If you
> can't hack that then you shouldn't be driving.


and take a 12 pack of Bud to make it interesting.

A bit tricky to learn to drive in the DC Metro/FFX area these days.

Too much traffic, too much in a rush, too many wide intersections these days.

For getting started, larger Church parking lots, Business/Industrial Parks and Cemeteries are good placed to start. Larger shopping centers/big box store parking lots on early Sunday mornings.

I actually found GW Parkway or Clara Barton Parkway on weekends not bad, only 50 MPH and limited access with no trucks.

Also go to Potomac Maryland, up MacArthur Blvd to Brickyard Road and cross Falls Road. There is a development in Potomac where the lots are 5 Acres and very little traffic. Easy to drive for up to an hour with lots of stops and turns. Use the GPS or a map to find your way end to end in this location.

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.00653,-77.226566,15z

Also if your kids get up early enough we used to run up the Beltway to I-270 to the Krispy Kreme store across from Shady Grove Road for Hot Doughnut Runs on early Sun morning. Was a destination and fun thing to do, not much traffic on the road before 8-9 am and if needed the local lanes can be used on I-270.

Also the Montgomery County Mid County Connector. It is a toll road, but you can drive 10-15 miles on direction at highway speeds with few if any trucks and on off peak times during the weekends it is not so busy. Just make sure you do not speed, the MCC has their own Police force that loves to enforce speeding.

If needed change drivers heading into Maryland consider changing at Montgomery Mall or Georgetown Pike

ptEDM Wrote:
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> A bit tricky to learn to drive in the DC Metro/FFX
> area these days.
>
> Too much traffic, too much in a rush, too many
> wide intersections these days.
>
> For getting started, larger Church parking lots,
> Business/Industrial Parks and Cemeteries are good
> placed to start. Larger shopping centers/big box
> store parking lots on early Sunday mornings.
>
> I actually found GW Parkway or Clara Barton
> Parkway on weekends not bad, only 50 MPH and
> limited access with no trucks.
>
> Also go to Potomac Maryland, up MacArthur Blvd to
> Brickyard Road and cross Falls Road. There is a
> development in Potomac where the lots are 5 Acres
> and very little traffic. Easy to drive for up to
> an hour with lots of stops and turns. Use the GPS
> or a map to find your way end to end in this
> location.
>
> https://www.google.com/maps/@39.00653,-77.226566,1
> 5z
>
> Also if your kids get up early enough we used to
> run up the Beltway to I-270 to the Krispy Kreme
> store across from Shady Grove Road for Hot
> Doughnut Runs on early Sun morning. Was a
> destination and fun thing to do, not much traffic
> on the road before 8-9 am and if needed the local
> lanes can be used on I-270.
>
> Also the Montgomery County Mid County Connector.
> It is a toll road, but you can drive 10-15 miles
> on direction at highway speeds with few if any
> trucks and on off peak times during the weekends
> it is not so busy. Just make sure you do not
> speed, the MCC has their own Police force that
> loves to enforce speeding.
>
> If needed change drivers heading into Maryland
> consider changing at Montgomery Mall or Georgetown
> Pike


I learned to drive in Northern NJ and we were off the side streets by the 3rd lesson in drivers ed. Busy crowded streets in Bloomfield and newark and the final lesson you go to Drive on Rt. 3 with a no merge entrance and Jersey barriers 3 feet on either side of the highway. Once youve done that you are set for life (if you survive).

If you are going to really teach them you have to drive with them under all conditions and all traffic.

During those driving lessons, I used to wonder what it'd be like if I crossed over the center lane just as a semi approached us. What would the truck driver feel after he was hit? Would I still be awake after the police placed white sheets over our bodies?

Any corporate business park on the weekend is pretty empty.

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> Enroll your kid in the Accident Avoidance program
> at Summit Point...the best $350 you will ever
> spend.
>
> http://accidentavoidance.com/

Highly recommend this course. Plus the kids gets to drive on the "skid track."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmr0-ckLTUI

Also check out streetsurvival.org -- it's $75 for a full day, half classroom, half driving. A bargain and a half.

AND

teaching white kids who are susceptible to "what government taught them at school - and to threats by authoritive figures"

to find work when bull-o-va gov is using a mexican army to shield them while they counterfiet huge debts in the county

the car is for work idiot. don't forget it.

if you are n miles from the nearest work places and grocer,

you have to drive

DUH

late 1990s's: women should have their own "pad" and be separate from men unless invited

late 1990's: in facist counties all across USA there are reported thousands of whites who had good jobs now living in tents

....

DUH - you want a suddent improvement of 2x the number of housing units while people are in tents

that's about criminal

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> During those driving lessons, I used to wonder
> what it'd be like if I crossed over the center
> lane just as a semi approached us. What would the
> truck driver feel after he was hit? Would I still
> be awake after the police placed white sheets over
> our bodies?


saw this video today...
http://www.killsometime.com/videos/16961/Woman-Purposely-Crashes-Into-a-Tractor-Trailer-Truck

I have taken my kids to National Memorial Park in Falls Church and drive around there to get them comfortable without many distractions. I also reminded them of the graves of people who died because of reckless driving.

Shawshank Wrote:
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> Enroll your kid in the Accident Avoidance program
> at Summit Point...the best $350 you will ever
> spend.
>
> http://accidentavoidance.com/


Thanks for the reference - looks good and a hell of a lot cheaper than Skip Barber's school in FL

Trying to teach my daughter how to drive was a trying experience. You have a hesitant and unconfident kid that has never driven ANYTHING. Other than a bicycle. To go straight from that to a 3 ton vehicle is a huge adjustment.

I did 3 one-hour sessions on consecutive weekends in a parking lot on a Saturday morning. Then eased into light traffic roads early Saturday morning. 40 driving hours later I still didn't feel she was a good driver and made me freaking nervous.

Fortunately, VA requires 6 hours of behind-the-wheel instruction. Best money I have ever spent. Having a professional instructor made all the difference in the world. Her driving skills were 100% improved after those sessions. I came to the realization that although I knew how to drive I did not know how to explain/teach someone else how do drive.

1995hoo Wrote:
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> vettel Wrote:
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> > NOVA.Dude Wrote:
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> > -----
> > > And by "teaching your child to drive", I'm
> > > assuming this means they'll learn to drive a
> > car
> > > with a manual transmission, right? Because
> only
> > > real cars have 3 or more pedals. And what
> > better
> > > way to keep your new teenaged driver off
> their
> > > cell phone than by giving them something to
> do
> > > with BOTH hands that is integral to driving
> and
> > > reaching their residential safely?
> >
> >
> > Gas, Brake, parking brake...Yes it's a real
> car!
> >
> > What car has more than three pedals???
>
>
> I once had a car (1977 Ford Granada) with four
> pedals: gas, brake, clutch, pedal-operated parking
> brake; in addition, the high-beams were turned on
> and off via a foot-operated button located to the
> left of the clutch in the dead pedal area.

Current Dodge Challenger has this too with the exception of the high beam button.

Rydell

thats good food for thought... I do not plan on being the sole instructor...