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Tyler Clippard to A's for Yonil Escobar?
Posted by: Nat Sfann ()
Date: January 15, 2015 12:27AM

Rizzo starting to clean house of his near-term free agents in the midst of a potential run at a World Series championship!

And the Oakland fans' comments on various websites make it seem like they have been cheated...

Mike Rizzo, you have pulled off a lot of good moves in the past few years, but you had better be right on this one!

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Re: Tyler Clippard to A's for Yonil Escobar?
Posted by: justgetitright ()
Date: January 16, 2015 01:56PM

THis is either a fall back to when Desmond leaves, or a sign that he is not re-signable. Neither good. Clippard more valueable than a no-hit mif. Oh well.

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Re: Tyler Clippard to A's for Yonil Escobar?
Posted by: Clippard Bye Bye ()
Date: January 16, 2015 02:43PM

Clippard was a loose cannon. When his pitching was good it was great, but then he all the sudden be throwing ball after ball or wild pitches digging dirt.

His slingy pitching style just wasn't consistent enough.
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Re: Tyler Clippard to A's for Yonil Escobar?
Posted by: Tony Tarasco ()
Date: January 16, 2015 05:04PM

Clippard Bye Bye Wrote:
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> Clippard was a loose cannon. When his pitching
> was good it was great, but then he all the sudden
> be throwing ball after ball or wild pitches
> digging dirt. His slingy pitching style just wasn't
> consistent enough.

That's just stupid. Clippard has been not just consistent, but consistently outstanding since he got here in 2009. Six terrific seasons in a row. Pretty good return for Jonathan Albaladejo. Skunked the Yankees on that one. But he walks away at the end of the year regardless, so his value only gets lower and lower from here. We don't actually have a replacement for Clippard at this point, unless Rizzo has a plan to acquire a closer and put Storen back in the 8th inning role. I doubt that, but you never know. I think the trade simply signals that nobody was happy with the idea of Espinosa in the 8-hole every day. Cabrera didn't do all that much in this two months here last year, but it sure was better than Espinosa. Like Cabrera, Escobar can hit a little bit, and his defensive metrics at 2B should be better than at SS. His makeup in the clubhouse hasn't always been great, so maybe what we're looking at here is actually a flip candidate. Time will tell, but Rizzo's worked a lot of magic in the past.

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Re: Tyler Clippard to A's for Yonil Escobar?
Posted by: dumping salary dumpster diving ()
Date: January 17, 2015 08:54AM

next move is bye bye desi, with his salary and clipp gone the nats drop payroll. look for the esco-espi middle infield coming to a ballpark near you.

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Re: Tyler Clippard to A's for Yonil Escobar?
Posted by: Tony Tarasco ()
Date: January 17, 2015 09:27AM

dumping salary dumpster diving Wrote:
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> next move is bye bye desi, with his salary and
> clipp gone the nats drop payroll. look for the
> esco-espi middle infield coming to a ballpark near
> you.

There were five guys with contracts that simply expire at the end of 2015: Span, Fister, Zimmermann, Clippard, and Desmond. If you do nothing, you lose them all to free agency in November with nothing to show for it but possibly a draft pick. The alternatives are to work out a contract extension now (all but impossible with those determined to test the open market), trade them now for needed pieces, or wait until July and trade them for needed pieces then when their market value will be lower. Myself, I would wait until July and see where we are in the standings. But Espinosa in the 8-hole every day for four months is not a good way to make a move in the standings. Desi at SS and Yunel at 2B makes much more sense, but with his character issues it would be better if Yunel could be flipped as part of an even better solution. We'll see what happens there. Either way, the four remaining "time's up" guys need to be signed or traded at some point soon. That's just the name of the game.

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Re: Tyler Clippard to A's for Yonil Escobar?
Posted by: Huh??? ()
Date: January 17, 2015 09:32AM

I was sad to see Tyler Clippard go. Especially given that we got a homophobic, brown, savage, mud-person in Escobar in return.

The fact of the matter is, the Nats were long on pitching and short on middle infielders. It was a sound trade.

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Re: Tyler Clippard to A's for Yonil Escobar?
Posted by: why is lerner so cheap ()
Date: January 17, 2015 09:39AM

letting the player walk and taking the draft picks worked just fine for soriano and dunn, they should have made one last run at a world series, then let all the guys walk and take the picks. higher salary this year but cheaper in the future, but that cheap fucker wants lower payroll now.

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Re: Tyler Clippard to A's for Yonil Escobar?
Posted by: its a sequel ()
Date: January 17, 2015 09:42AM

Huh??? Wrote:
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> I was sad to see Tyler Clippard go. Especially
> given that we got a homophobic, brown, savage,
> mud-person in Escobar in return.

don't believe the deadspin hatchet job. there was nothing on that eye black any worse than hans and franz calling guys girly men. ever hear the term "man up", it implies that the opposite is to play like a woman, anyone who says "man up" should be suspended for being a gay hater.

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Re: Tyler Clippard to A's for Yonil Escobar?
Posted by: Tony Tarasco ()
Date: January 17, 2015 11:13AM

Huh??? Wrote:
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> I was sad to see Tyler Clippard go. Especially
> given that we got a homophobic, brown, savage,
> mud-person in Escobar in return.

Feel free to self-deport. Neither the city nor the Nats has any need of you.

> The fact of the matter is, the Nats were long on
> pitching and short on middle infielders. It was a
> sound trade.

Long on starting pitching. We don't have a replacement for Clippard. Absent a further trade to acquire one, there will be open auditions for the position of 8th inning guy in Viera.

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Re: Tyler Clippard to A's for Yonil Escobar?
Posted by: Tony Tarasco ()
Date: January 17, 2015 11:50AM

why is lerner so cheap Wrote:
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> letting the player walk and taking the draft picks
> worked just fine for soriano and dunn...

Under a completely different system. It doesn't work that way anymore.

> ...they should have made one last run at a world series...

Making the playoffs is harder with Adam LaRoche in Chicago and Danny Espinosa in the 8-hole. That's two near-automatic outs in a row. You end up putting too much pressure on the starters to throw a shutout every time out if the team is going to win. We need to get more offense into the lineup.

> ...then let all the guys walk and take the picks.
> higher salary this year but cheaper in the future,
> but that cheap fucker wants lower payroll now.

Salaries are not the problem. Contracts are. Five of them (four now) expire in less than ten months. People can just walk away. Maybe we get a useful draft pick back from that, maybe we don't. The value to the Nats of these players reaches zero in the end. The idea is to use the value they have to win another championship now or to trade them away for better value now or in the future. It's a delicate balancing act, one that a lot of clubs other than the Nats are also trying pull off.

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Re: Tyler Clippard to A's for Yonil Escobar?
Posted by: Tony Tarasco ()
Date: January 17, 2015 12:11PM

its a sequel Wrote:
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> don't believe the deadspin hatchet job. there was
> nothing on that eye black any worse than hans and
> franz calling guys girly men. ever hear the term
> "man up", it implies that the opposite is to play
> like a woman, anyone who says "man up" should be
> suspended for being a gay hater.

TU ERE MARICON does not translate as MAN UP.

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Re: Tyler Clippard to A's for Yonil Escobar?
Posted by: macho as a mother-fucker ()
Date: January 17, 2015 03:33PM

Tony Tarasco Wrote:
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> TU ERE MARICON does not translate as MAN UP.

Same moral equivalent you fucking ovulator.

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Re: Tyler Clippard to A's for Yonil Escobar?
Posted by: jfadsjdsafljk ()
Date: January 17, 2015 03:36PM

This team spent years of having 90-100+ loss seasons rebuilding, now is the time to keep the team together and spend the cash to try to buy a championship. Next year blow it all up and start over again. These assholes want to get the jump on rebuilding because it is cheaper.

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Re: Tyler Clippard to A's for Yonil Escobar?
Posted by: kisses ()
Date: January 17, 2015 03:36PM

oh thank god tyler clippard is responsible for blowing the last 2 times we have made it into the postseason.

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Re: Tyler Clippard to A's for Yonil Escobar?
Posted by: Tony Tarasco ()
Date: January 17, 2015 03:58PM

jfadsjdsafljk Wrote:
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> This team spent years of having 90-100+ loss
> seasons rebuilding, now is the time to keep the
> team together and spend the cash to try to buy a
> championship. Next year blow it all up and start
> over again. These assholes want to get the jump on
> rebuilding because it is cheaper.

You can't BUY a championship. You can only build a strong ball club, then hope to stay both healthy and lucky. The franchise was meanwhile run into the ground by ownership in Montreal and then by MLB after the club was moved here. For the most part, the Lerner's have done a terrific job since taking the reins in mid-2006. They said they would build through the draft and strong player development, and that's what they have done. A farm system that was the worst in baseball less than ten years ago now consistently delivers MLB-ready players to the Nationals roster or for use in trades to further enhance the Nationals roster. There is no reason at all why 2015 should be the last season in which the Nats have playoff aspirations. This is a club with the talent and savvy to renew itself.

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Re: Tyler Clippard to A's for Yonil Escobar?
Posted by: for sale ()
Date: January 17, 2015 04:30PM

Tony Tarasco Wrote:
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> jfadsjdsafljk Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > This team spent years of having 90-100+ loss
> > seasons rebuilding, now is the time to keep the
> > team together and spend the cash to try to buy
> a
> > championship. Next year blow it all up and
> start
> > over again. These assholes want to get the jump
> on
> > rebuilding because it is cheaper.
>
> You can't BUY a championship.

In the 2000s, the one team that has won the most championships is the Yankees. They had the highest perennial payroll by far, over $206 million, which is $43 million more than the second highest payroll – the Red Sox. Is it a coincidence that the Yankees also participated in forty percent of the championship series, which is also more than any other team during that time? Is it a coincidence that the two highest payrolls, the Yanks and Red Sox, have won 40 percent of the World Series championship in that decade? Is it also a coincidence that the Philadelphia Phillies have the fourth highest payroll, and were in the last two championships before 2010, and the only team to perform in successive championship series during the past decade except – what a shock – the Yankees (2000-2001)? Yeah, didn't think so.

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Re: Tyler Clippard to A's for Yonil Escobar?
Posted by: Tony Tarasco ()
Date: January 17, 2015 05:20PM

for sale Wrote:
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> Yeah, didn't think so.

2014 Yankees: 2nd place -- 12 games out
2014 Red Sox: 5th place -- 24 games out
2014 Phillies: 5th Place -- 23 games out

What was the problem? Did they run out of money? Or did they paint themselves into these corners through stupid player personnel decisions?

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Re: Tyler Clippard to A's for Yonil Escobar?
Posted by: for sale ()
Date: January 17, 2015 06:00PM

Tony Tarasco Wrote:
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> for sale Wrote:
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> -----
> > Yeah, didn't think so.
>
> 2014 Yankees: 2nd place -- 12 games out
> 2014 Red Sox: 5th place -- 24 games out
> 2014 Phillies: 5th Place -- 23 games out
>
> What was the problem? Did they run out of money?
> Or did they paint themselves into these corners
> through stupid player personnel decisions?

Please pay attention. We were discussing the previous decade. Each of those teams suffered a variety of problems last year, but it is irrelelevant to the point we are discussing.

Of course aging players on loaded contracts contributed some to their misfortunes last year, but again, it is irrelevant.

You flat out said that a team can't BUY a championship. I responded with relevant and on point evidence refuting that assertion. Interestingly, you chose to ignore all that and focus on just last year. Care to address the 2013 Sox?

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Re: Tyler Clippard to A's for Yonil Escobar?
Posted by: Tony Tarasco ()
Date: January 17, 2015 07:00PM

for sale Wrote:
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> Please pay attention. We were discussing the
> previous decade.

No, we were discussing your odd theory that you can buy a championship, but you are trying to focus only on seasons that may seem to support this notion while denying the existence of many other years that plainly prove your theory is a bunch of crap.

> Each of those teams suffered a variety of problems last year...

None of which was a shortage of money. Why did they not simply BUY another championship? How could they let themselves be so humiliated by small market, low-budget teams such as Oakland, Kansas City, Pittsburgh, and Miami?

> Of course aging players on loaded contracts
> contributed some to their misfortunes last year,
> but again, it is irrelevant.

Indeed. They should have just gone out and bought another championship. I mean, it's just that easy, isn't it? They had tons of money. Why did they hold back? Why didn't they just go out and do it?

> You flat out said that a team can't BUY a
> championship. I responded with relevant and on
> point evidence refuting that assertion.

No, you didn't. You responded with sad-sack trash. When the Red Sox won the World Series in 2004, it was for the first time in 86 years. When the Phillies won in 2008, it was for the first time in 28 years, and just the second time in the team's 125-year history. Even the mad-spending Yankees have managed a meager one World Series title in this century while falling flat on 13 other occasions. Money can buy you high-priced players. That's all. These might help you win or they might not.

> Interestingly, you chose to ignore all that and focus
> on just last year.

That's because your vaunted spenders not only failed to capture a championship last year, but were instead spectacularly humiliated despite their big-time bankrolls. Of the top five biggest payroll teams in 2014, only the Dodgers even made it to the playoffs, and they didn't last long. Oakland and Pittsburgh made the playoffs. They had the 25th and 27th highest payrolls. Kansas City came within an eyelash of a World Series title with the game's 19th highest payroll. Your theory is bunk.

> Care to address the 2013 Sox?

What would be the point? Care to address the 2001 Diamondbacks. the 2003 Marlins, the 2005 White Sox, or the 2010-12-14 Giants?

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Re: Tyler Clippard to A's for Yonil Escobar?
Posted by: for sale ()
Date: January 18, 2015 11:15AM

Tony Tarasco Wrote:
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> for sale Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Please pay attention. We were discussing the
> > previous decade.
>
> No, we were discussing your odd theory that you
> can buy a championship, but you are trying to
> focus only on seasons that may seem to support
> this notion while denying the existence of many
> other years that plainly prove your theory is a
> bunch of crap.

Where did I contend that EVERY championship was bought? Be specific. Pointing to years where they were not bought does not mean that others weren't. A smarter man would know that.

> No, you didn't. You responded with sad-sack
> trash.

I see that in your world, the term sad-sack of trash is defined as factual assertions that refute your uninformed idiotic across the board blanket statements.

> When the Red Sox won the World Series in
> 2004, it was for the first time in 86 years.

Where did the Sox rank in team salary that year? Do you even have any clue?

The real Tony Tarasco should be made aware that some moron is misappropriating his name and enjoin you from making any further uninformed statements under his name.

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Re: Tyler Clippard to A's for Yonil Escobar?
Posted by: tu7E3 ()
Date: January 18, 2015 11:49AM

grenade !

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Re: Tyler Clippard to A's for Yonil Escobar?
Posted by: Huh??? ()
Date: January 18, 2015 02:15PM

its a sequel Wrote:
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> Huh??? Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I was sad to see Tyler Clippard go. Especially
> > given that we got a homophobic, brown, savage,
> > mud-person in Escobar in return.
>
> don't believe the deadspin hatchet job. there was
> nothing on that eye black any worse than hans and
> franz calling guys girly men. ever hear the term
> "man up", it implies that the opposite is to play
> like a woman, anyone who says "man up" should be
> suspended for being a gay hater.

I wasn't talking about the incident with eye black. My brother owns a bar in Oakland near the Coliseum. He counts many A's players, coaches and administrative staff as his regulars. Many people associated with the team have mentioned repeatedly that Escobar is a homophobe.

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Re: Tyler Clippard to A's for Yonil Escobar?
Posted by: Tony Tarasco ()
Date: January 18, 2015 02:23PM

for sale Wrote:
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> The real Tony Tarasco should be made aware that
> some moron is misappropriating his name and enjoin
> you from making any further uninformed statements
> under his name.

Put a sock in it, fella. It's all that's left you here. Your "theory" is nonsense. Money can buy high-priced players. That's all. Sometimes those help you, sometimes they don't.

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Posted by: Tony Tarasco ()
Date: January 18, 2015 02:29PM

Huh??? Wrote:
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> I wasn't talking about the incident with eye
> black. My brother owns a bar in Oakland near the
> Coliseum. He counts many A's players, coaches and
> administrative staff as his regulars. Many people
> associated with the team have mentioned repeatedly
> that Escobar is a homophobe.

That would make so much sense, since Escobar was with Oakland from Jan 10 all the way to Jan 14, 2015. That's four days. During the off-season.

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Re: Tyler Clippard to A's for Yonil Escobar?
Posted by: for sale ()
Date: January 18, 2015 04:03PM

Tony Tarasco Wrote:
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> Money can buy high-priced players. That's all. Sometimes those
> help you,

Exactly. And, when it does, you've bought yourself a championship. See how easy that was for you to admit!

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Posted by: Tony Tarasco ()
Date: January 18, 2015 04:30PM

for sale Wrote:
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> Exactly. And, when it does, you've bought
> yourself a championship. See how easy that was
> for you to admit!

Top 5 annual MLB Payrolls in this century...

2001: Yankees, Red Sox, Dodgers, Mets, Indians
2002: Yankees, Red Sox, Rangers, Diamondbacks, Dodgers
2003: Yankees, Mets, Braves, Dodgers, Rangers
2004: Yankees, Red Sox, Angels, Mets, Phillies
2005: Yankees, Red Sox, Mets, Phillies, Cardinals
2006: Yankees, Red Sox, Angels, White Sox, Mets
2007: Yankees, Red Sox, Angels, Mets, White Sox
2008: Yankees, Mets, Tigers, Red Sox, White Sox
2009: Yankees, Mets, Cubs, Red Sox, Tigers
2010: Yankees, Red Sox, Cubs, Mets, Phillies
2011: Yankees, Phillies, Red Sox, Angels, White Sox
2012: Yankees, Phillies, Red Sox, Angels, Tigers
2013: Yankees, Dodgers, Red Sox, Phillies, Tigers
2014: Dodgers, Yankees, Phillies, Red Sox, Tigers

Just four times in fourteen years has the eventual World Series winner come from among the 70 entries on this list. The list of course doesn't tend to change much from year to year. The same teams spend and spend and spend. Usually to no avail. That's because you can't buy a championship.

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Re: Tyler Clippard to A's for Yonil Escobar?
Posted by: for sale ()
Date: January 18, 2015 05:28PM

Tony Tarasco Wrote:
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> for sale Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Exactly. And, when it does, you've bought
> > yourself a championship. See how easy that was
> > for you to admit!
>
> Top 5 annual MLB Payrolls in this century...
>
> 2001: Yankees, Red Sox, Dodgers, Mets, Indians
> 2002: Yankees, Red Sox, Rangers, Diamondbacks,
> Dodgers
> 2003: Yankees, Mets, Braves, Dodgers, Rangers
> 2004: Yankees, Red Sox, Angels, Mets, Phillies
> 2005: Yankees, Red Sox, Mets, Phillies, Cardinals
> 2006: Yankees, Red Sox, Angels, White Sox, Mets
> 2007: Yankees, Red Sox, Angels, Mets, White Sox
> 2008: Yankees, Mets, Tigers, Red Sox, White Sox
> 2009: Yankees, Mets, Cubs, Red Sox, Tigers
> 2010: Yankees, Red Sox, Cubs, Mets, Phillies
> 2011: Yankees, Phillies, Red Sox, Angels, White
> Sox
> 2012: Yankees, Phillies, Red Sox, Angels, Tigers
> 2013: Yankees, Dodgers, Red Sox, Phillies, Tigers
> 2014: Dodgers, Yankees, Phillies, Red Sox, Tigers
>
> Just four times in fourteen years has the eventual
> World Series winner come from among the 70 entries
> on this list. The list of course doesn't tend to
> change much from year to year. The same teams
> spend and spend and spend. Usually to no avail.
> That's because you can't buy a championship.

Yet, you just admitted that 4 teams had done just that - bought a championship. Did they do it through a strong farm system? Building from within? No, they bought it.

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Re: Tyler Clippard to A's for Yonil Escobar?
Posted by: Huh??? ()
Date: January 18, 2015 05:29PM

Tony Tarasco Wrote:
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> Huh??? Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I wasn't talking about the incident with eye
> > black. My brother owns a bar in Oakland near
> the
> > Coliseum. He counts many A's players, coaches
> and
> > administrative staff as his regulars. Many
> people
> > associated with the team have mentioned
> repeatedly
> > that Escobar is a homophobe.
>
> That would make so much sense, since Escobar was
> with Oakland from Jan 10 all the way to Jan 14,
> 2015. That's four days. During the off-season.

Thereby SOLVING the "mystery" of why Escobar why turned around so quickly. The A's ultimately wanted Clippard and they knew Escobar was the guy they could use to make that happen. Why the fuck would a team in a city with OAK's demographics want a gay-hater like Escobar on the squad?

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Re: Tyler Clippard to A's for Yonil Escobar?
Posted by: Tony Tarasco ()
Date: January 18, 2015 05:57PM

for sale Wrote:
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> Yet, you just admitted that 4 teams had done just
> that - bought a championship. Did they do it
> through a strong farm system? Building from
> within? No, they bought it.

There's no sense in carrying on here, you know. You and your theory are 100% hosed. Your big spender teams shell out dollars by the carload and get skunked by teams with small- and medium-sized payrolls anyway. Time after time after time after time. You can't buy a championship. So simple, a caveman could understand it.

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Re: Tyler Clippard to A's for Yonil Escobar?
Posted by: for sale ()
Date: January 18, 2015 06:03PM

Tony Tarasco Wrote:
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> for sale Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Yet, you just admitted that 4 teams had done
> just
> > that - bought a championship. Did they do it
> > through a strong farm system? Building from
> > within? No, they bought it.
>
> There's no sense in carrying on here, you know.
> You and your theory are 100% hosed. Your big
> spender teams shell out dollars by the carload and
> get skunked by teams with small- and medium-sized
> payrolls anyway. Time after time after time after
> time. You can't buy a championship. So simple, a
> caveman could understand it.


And yet you just admitted 4 teams did just that. Do you really expect to beat someone else in a debate when you help prove their points?

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Re: Tyler Clippard to A's for Yonil Escobar?
Posted by: Tony Tarasco ()
Date: January 18, 2015 06:10PM

Huh??? Wrote:
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> Thereby SOLVING the "mystery" of why Escobar why
> turned around so quickly.

The poster above (YOU) thought Escobar had been with the A's for some time. After all, your brother owns a bar in Oakland near the Coliseum. He counts many A's players, coaches and administrative staff as his regulars. Many people associated with the team have mentioned repeatedly that Escobar is a homophobe. Just seems odd for all these people in Oakland to be going on and on about a guy who was playing in Tampa Bay. Your story would make a lot more sense as a lie made up by some clown who simply didn't know any better. There's that "mystery" solved.

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Re: Tyler Clippard to A's for Yonil Escobar?
Posted by: Tony Tarasco ()
Date: January 18, 2015 06:19PM

for sale Wrote:
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> And yet you just admitted 4 teams did just that.

Not at all. Your "big spenders" have a collective record of miserable disgrace and failure. No one said that they could NEVER win because of their money burning ways. Someone DID say however that championships could simply be bought, this despite the fact that history demonstrates entirely to the contrary.

> Do you really expect to beat someone else in a
> debate when you help prove their points?

You have no points. You have foolish claims and insupportable theories.

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Re: Tyler Clippard to A's for Yonil Escobar?
Posted by: TxnMu ()
Date: January 18, 2015 07:35PM

he should have possession of an arm like that it's too formidable a weapon !!

join the protest !

ban arms now !!!!
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Re: Tyler Clippard to A's for Yonil Escobar?
Posted by: weew9 ()
Date: January 18, 2015 07:37PM

oops no. arms are a weapon. ban arms now !

protesters around the world are wearing arm bands in support of banning arms !

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Re: Tyler Clippard to A's for Yonil Escobar?
Posted by: for sale ()
Date: January 18, 2015 11:44PM

Tony Tarasco Wrote:
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> No one said that they could NEVER win because of their
> money burning ways.

I shall quote from this thread.

"You can't BUY a championship."

One hint to the idiot that made that claim. Need that hint? OK, look in the mirror in the bathroom of your little hovel.

You just refuted your own claim. Once again, I have to ask, do you think you can win a debate by proving your opposition's point?!?

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Re: Tyler Clippard to A's for Yonil Escobar?
Posted by: laugh while you can ()
Date: January 19, 2015 05:58AM

for sale Wrote:
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> Tony Tarasco Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > No one said that they could NEVER win because
> of their
> > money burning ways.
>
> I shall quote from this thread.
>
> "You can't BUY a championship."
>
> One hint to the idiot that made that claim. Need
> that hint? OK, look in the mirror in the bathroom
> of your little hovel.
>
> You just refuted your own claim. Once again, I
> have to ask, do you think you can win a debate by
> proving your opposition's point?!?

+1

People like Tarasco seem to think that because the CBA gives you six years of lower salaries before free agency that somehow money does not matter. Well, it does, as Nats fans will find out in the next few years. We will have our fun while JZimm, Fister, Strasburg, Desmond, etc. are under team control, but things will start to change by 2016. Meanwhile, the (execrable) Yankees have been in the playoffs 16 of the last 20 years.

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Re: Tyler Clippard to A's for Yonil Escobar?
Posted by: laugh while you can ()
Date: January 19, 2015 06:58AM

Oops. Nats are trying to buy a championship. (They must believe that they will win the MASN case.) Perhaps Detroit learned a lesson with Verlander. http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/12190547/max-scherzer-closing-new-multiyear-contract

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Re: Tyler Clippard to A's for Yonil Escobar?
Posted by: Tony Tarasco ()
Date: January 19, 2015 09:45AM

for sale Wrote:
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> I shall quote from this thread.
> "You can't BUY a championship."

As the Yankees, Red Sox, and other high spending teams have so thoroughly and regularly demonstrated over so many years. Ten of the past fourteen WS champions have come from OUTSIDE the top five payrolls in the game. The Giants have won three of the past five championships and have not been among the top five payrolls at any point in the current century. You seem to have no knowledge, understanding, or appreciation of either the history or the workings of the game, and no capacity for obtaining any of those either. In general terms then, you are a dolt.

> You just refuted your own claim. Once again, I
> have to ask, do you think you can win a debate by
> proving your opposition's point?!?

I don't make claims. I point out the facts. This is another way in which we differ.

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Your posts do not make any sense
Posted by: Kevin Millar ()
Date: January 19, 2015 10:16AM

The Red Sox have won three World Series since 2004.


Tony Tarasco Wrote:
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> for sale Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I shall quote from this thread.
> > "You can't BUY a championship."
>
> As the Yankees, Red Sox, and other high spending
> teams have so thoroughly and regularly
> demonstrated over so many years. Ten of the past
> fourteen WS champions have come from OUTSIDE the
> top five payrolls in the game. The Giants have
> won three of the past five championships and have
> not been among the top five payrolls at any point
> in the current century. You seem to have no
> knowledge, understanding, or appreciation of
> either the history or the workings of the game,
> and no capacity for obtaining any of those either.
> In general terms then, you are a dolt.
>
> > You just refuted your own claim. Once again, I
> > have to ask, do you think you can win a debate
> by
> > proving your opposition's point?!?
>
> I don't make claims. I point out the facts. This
> is another way in which we differ.

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Re: Tyler Clippard to A's for Yonil Escobar?
Posted by: Tony Tarasco ()
Date: January 19, 2015 10:23AM

laugh while you can Wrote:
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> People like Tarasco seem to think that because the
> CBA gives you six years of lower salaries before
> free agency that somehow money does not matter.
> Well, it does, as Nats fans will find out in the
> next few years. We will have our fun while JZimm,
> Fister, Strasburg, Desmond, etc. are under team
> control, but things will start to change by 2016.
> Meanwhile, the (execrable) Yankees have been in
> the playoffs 16 of the last 20 years.

Oh, now it's down to money can buy a playoff appearance. LOL! Retreat! Retreat! Retreat! What a cowardly and disgraceful little dork you make of yourself. All out of utter necessity, of course.

Meanwhile, the system is the system, and everyone plays within it. The Nats are a defending division champion. Your three big-money POWER teams were a combined 59 games out of first place last year and enter 2015 weighted down with what we in the business call "bad contracts". There meanwhile are now just the four Nats left whose contracts expire after 2015, and should Mr. Lerner be able to put the final seal of approval on the Scherzer signing as expected, we will shortly be moving one or more other current pieces off in exchange for useful future pieces. That's how you contend for championships.

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Re: Your posts do not make any sense
Posted by: Tony Tarasco ()
Date: January 19, 2015 10:35AM

Kevin Millar Wrote:
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> The Red Sox have won three World Series since 2004.

And 15 minutes can save you 15% on car insurance. The Red Sox count for three of the four times in this century that a team in the top five by payroll has won a World Series title. The TEN OTHER WS champions all came from down down, down the payroll scale. If it were possible to buy a championship, the big money teams would win at least most of the time. Four out of fourteen is not consistent with most. It is consistent with the fact that expensive teams can sometimes manage to win, just like teams that are not expensive.

Millar is an ass in real life too, by the way.

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Re: Tyler Clippard to A's for Yonil Escobar?
Posted by: matt 703 ()
Date: January 19, 2015 10:36AM

why is everyone forgetting about rendon?!?!

dumping salary dumpster diving Wrote:
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> next move is bye bye desi, with his salary and
> clipp gone the nats drop payroll. look for the
> esco-espi middle infield coming to a ballpark near
> you.

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Re: Tyler Clippard to A's for Yonil Escobar?
Posted by: Tony Tarasco ()
Date: January 19, 2015 11:40AM

matt 703 Wrote:
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> why is everyone forgetting about rendon?!?!

Maybe because he's not a free agent until after the 2019 season.

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Re: Tyler Clippard to A's for Yonil Escobar?
Posted by: for sale ()
Date: January 19, 2015 12:07PM

Tony Tarasco Wrote:
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> As the Yankees, Red Sox, and other high spending
> teams have so thoroughly and regularly
> demonstrated over so many years. Ten of the past
> fourteen WS champions have come from OUTSIDE the
> top five payrolls in the game.

And FOUR were among the big spenders, thereby proving that you CAN buy a championship. It only take one time for it to occur to actually refute your claim.

Do you know how ball clubs are built? How the rosters are assembled each year? Your statements here indicate you're as clueless about these matters as you are about baseball in general.

> The Giants have
> won three of the past five championships and have
> not been among the top five payrolls at any point
> in the current century. You seem to have no
> knowledge, understanding, or appreciation of
> either the history or the workings of the game,
> and no capacity for obtaining any of those either.
> In general terms then, you are a dolt.

Really? You fancy yourself a student and historian if the game, yet deal in absolutes about how championships can't be bought. Evidence has shown they can be. A historian of the game would know the names Abe Attell and Arnold Rothstein and how they bought a championship.

> I don't make claims. I point out the facts. This
> is another way in which we differ.

All you do is actually deny and avoid facts. You argue like you probably throw a baseball - like a girl!

On a more serious not, stop sullying the name of Tony Tarasco. He's done nothing to deserve having a complete idiot misappropriate his good name.

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Re: Tyler Clippard to A's for Yonil Escobar?
Posted by: Naega Jeil Jal Naga ()
Date: January 19, 2015 12:44PM

Tony Tarasco Wrote:
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> I don't make claims. I point out the facts. This
> is another way in which we differ.

I'm enjoying your take on things, Coach T. Meanwhile, you should know that the ridiculous clown from whom you so plainly do differ is a well-known and widely disgraced and disrespected FFXU asshole from Falls Church. He's a know-nothing serial liar who gets his pants beat off by every intelligent poster on the board, but he just goes on and on with his inane babbling anyway. He thought "club level" was the lower deck area behind home plate, if you can imagine that, and also that the Heidelberg in Cocoa Beach is a standout German restaurant. I'm sure that no one who's actually been there would imagine that either! In any case, don't expect any sort of rational response from this moron. It will just be one stinking load of worthless bullshit after another. Enjoy!

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Re: Tyler Clippard to A's for Yonil Escobar?
Posted by: Tony Tarasco ()
Date: January 19, 2015 01:07PM

Naega Jeil Jal Naga Wrote:
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> I'm enjoying your take on things, Coach T.
> Meanwhile, you should know that the ridiculous
> clown from whom you so plainly do differ is a
> well-known and widely disgraced and disrespected
> FFXU asshole from Falls Church. He's a
> know-nothing serial liar who gets his pants beat
> off by every intelligent poster on the board, but
> he just goes on and on with his inane babbling
> anyway. He thought "club level" was the lower
> deck area behind home plate, if you can imagine
> that, and also that the Heidelberg in Cocoa Beach
> is a standout German restaurant. I'm sure that no
> one who's actually been there would imagine that
> either! In any case, don't expect any sort of
> rational response from this moron. It will just
> be one stinking load of worthless bullshit after
> another. Enjoy!


Falls Church? Really? I find that hard to believe. I certainly don't know the individual you are speaking of, but I know Falls Church to be a fine place to live. It's citizens are highly educated and quite well to do for a reason. With its charming neighborhoods, excellent schools, fabulous entertainment/dining venues, it's certainly a jewel among Northern Virginia areas.

Oh, and I've always been pleased with the Heidelberg in Cocoa. I suggest you check it out next time you're down there.

I'm always happy to debate the finer points of baseball among fellow fans.

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Re: Tyler Clippard to A's for Yonil Escobar?
Posted by: Actual Tony Tarasco... ()
Date: January 19, 2015 01:29PM

Naega Jeil Jal Naga Wrote:
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> I'm enjoying your take on things, Coach T.
> Meanwhile, you should know that the ridiculous
> clown from whom you so plainly do differ is a
> well-known and widely disgraced and disrespected
> FFXU asshole from Falls Church. He's a
> know-nothing serial liar who gets his pants beat
> off by every intelligent poster on the board, but
> he just goes on and on with his inane babbling
> anyway. He thought "club level" was the lower
> deck area behind home plate, if you can imagine
> that, and also that the Heidelberg in Cocoa Beach
> is a standout German restaurant. I'm sure that no
> one who's actually been there would imagine that
> either! In any case, don't expect any sort of
> rational response from this moron. It will just
> be one stinking load of worthless bullshit after
> another. Enjoy!

Thanks, 2NE1, and I certainly see what you mean about this guy. Somehow "Tony Tarasco" is now a both compromised and registered name. I wonder who could have done that? I'm guessing that your guy would be the #1 suspect? What a slimeball! Obviously, he hasn't spent much time at Nationals Park if he doesn't know where the club level is. I myself have never been to the Heidelberg in Cocoa, but I've been texting Scherzer about the Coconut Cove Cafe in Melbourne Beach. That's where I was first introduced to the wonders of German cuisine. We'll be into those brats and potato pancakes in just about a month now! Yum! And here's to a great season beyond that!

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Re: Tyler Clippard to A's for Yonil Escobar?
Posted by: Naega Jeil Jal Naga ()
Date: January 19, 2015 02:11PM

for sale Wrote:
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> And FOUR were among the big spenders, thereby
> proving that you CAN buy a championship. It only
> take one time for it to occur to actually refute
> your claim.

As a pinch-hitter, let me step up ans say blow me, you fat-assed ignorant fucktard. Once means fucking nothing. Four times out of fourteen means fucking nothing except for providing even more proof that YOU CAN'T FUCKING BUY A CHAMPIONSHIP. Big money teams try and try and try, and they fail, fail, fail, fail, fail. Just as you do.

> Do you know how ball clubs are built? How the
> rosters are assembled each year? Your statements
> here indicate you're as clueless about these
> matters as you are about baseball in general.

Like every other fucking topic under the sun, I know far, far far more about this one than you do. This is no doubt due in large part to the simple that I am a smart guy while you are an abject idiot.

> Really? You fancy yourself a student and
> historian if the game, yet deal in absolutes about
> how championships can't be bought. Evidence has
> shown they can be.

No evidence that you've introduced here, you mindless goober dumbfuck.

> A historian of the game...

Maybe you meant "An historian".

> ...would know the names Abe Attell and Arnold Rothstein and
> how they bought a championship.

A couple if long ago schlemiels who dabbled in crooked pugilism. Not exactly relevant, but understandably about the best that such a total assfuck as you would be able to come up with.

> All you do is actually deny and avoid facts. You argue
> like you probably throw a baseball - like girl.

Just more of your typically meritless grade-school goober nonsense, the sort of bullshit that you are ever forced into due to being a complete and total loser. The weakest of minds would be more capable and resilient than yours. You are literally an intellectual nothingness.

> On a more serious not, stop sullying the name of
> Tony Tarasco. He's done nothing to deserve having
> a complete idiot misappropriate his good name.

I'll leave it up to Coach-T. I don't think he's any too impressed with you right about now though. Of course, he has a whole lot of company on that score.

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Re: Tyler Clippard to A's for Yonil Escobar?
Posted by: Naega Jeil Jal Naga ()
Date: January 19, 2015 02:41PM

Worthless fake-ass Tony Tarasco Wrote:
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> Falls Church? Really? I find that hard to
> believe. I certainly don't know the individual
> you are speaking of...

You fUcking ARE that insipid individual, you putrid little assfuck. Along with the 5,000 other dismally dumb, waste of time names you use on FFXU. None of them has any redeeming social value at all.

> ...but I know Falls Church to be a fine place
> to live. It's citizens are highly educated and
> quite well to do for a reason. With its charming
> neighborhoods, excellent schools, fabulous
> entertainment/dining venues, it's certainly a
> jewel among Northern Virginia areas.

Aside from a school system that has managed to keep pace with FCPS, actual Falls Church has exactly none of those things, It remains a dusty, declining, and overpopulated zone where people are crammed onto lots the size of postage stamps that are typical of and will soon enough be absorbed by Arlington. The city as an independent entity is done, outpaced by booming newer, more spacious, and much better appointed areas to the west.

> Oh, and I've always been pleased with the
> Heidelberg in Cocoa. I suggest you check it out
> next time you're down there.

Coach-T may have missed it, but I have tried it. It may be a match for much of what can be found in moribund Falls Church, but it is certainly not on my list of places ever to go back to.

> I'm always happy to debate the finer points of
> baseball among fellow fans.

You have no fellow fans, moron. Everyone dislikes you for one thing. For another, you are just an asshole from falling down Falls Church and that's the end of things right there. You know nothing of the game, the local team, its players, or the local ballpark. Given the alternatives, who would ever want to hang out and do baseball with a total dumbass like you?

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Re: Tyler Clippard to A's for Yonil Escobar?
Posted by: Woodburn Professional ()
Date: January 19, 2015 02:55PM

^^^^^^^LOL! Does the Vienna Asshat really believe that EVERYONE here is unaware that he is Tony Tarasco and NJJN? Delusional AND stupid is no way to go through life. I suppose if my real life was as pathetic as his, I'd pretend to be a MLB coach too!

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Re: Tyler Clippard to A's for Yonil Escobar?
Posted by: Naega Jeil Jal Naga ()
Date: January 19, 2015 02:56PM

Actual Tony Tarasco... Wrote:
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> Thanks, 2NE1, and I certainly see what you mean
> about this guy. Somehow "Tony Tarasco" is now a
> both compromised and registered name. I wonder
> who could have done that? I'm guessing that your
> guy would be the #1 suspect? What a slimeball!

Yes, I'm afraid that would be his style entirely. When the chips are down, you can count on him to behave like a second-grader every time. Major league ready at Dork, if there's a call for that.

> Obviously, he hasn't spent much time at Nationals
> Park if he doesn't know where the club level is.

No, he's actually way out of his league when it comes to baseball, and a whole lot of other stuff as well. He just likes to play pretend on the internet, but he doesn't do that very well either.

> I myself have never been to the Heidelberg in
> Cocoa, but I've been texting Scherzer about the
> Coconut Cove Cafe in Melbourne Beach. That's
> where I was first introduced to the wonders of
> German cuisine.

Yes indeed! We stumbled onto that place in 2010 or 2011. My S.O. is German and prefers the Coconut Cove to any of the German places in and around DC. It's really good!

> And here's to a great season beyond that!

Back atcha. Looks like it'll be a big year for scorecards, but that's how the game is these days. All Best!

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Re: Tyler Clippard to A's for Yonil Escobar?
Posted by: Erie Lackawanna ()
Date: January 19, 2015 03:05PM

Woodburn Professional Wrote:
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> ^^^^^^^LOL! Does the Vienna Asshat really believe
> that EVERYONE here is unaware that he is Tony
> Tarasco and NJJN? Delusional AND stupid is no way
> to go through life. I suppose if my real life was
> as pathetic as his, I'd pretend to be a MLB coach
> too!


Dumbshit always breaks out his imaginary friends when he's getting his ass handed to him. lol

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Re: Tyler Clippard to A's for Yonil Escobar?
Posted by: Naega Jeil Jal Naga ()
Date: January 19, 2015 03:20PM

Woodburn Professional, Erie-Lackawanna. 5,087 ... 5,088 ...

The Falls Church Assfuck once used 26 different names on a single page of yet another discussion in which he was completely vaporized by the competition. Suck a hapless and ineffectual little squid-shit. The envy and butthurt are just too much for him and he ends up being driven completely over the edge...

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Re: Tyler Clippard to A's for Yonil Escobar?
Posted by: The guy is a ()
Date: January 19, 2015 03:39PM

Erie Lackawanna Wrote:
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>
> Dumbshit always breaks out his imaginary friends
> when he's getting his ass handed to him. lol


train-crash-gif.gif

Only ones he has.

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Re: Tyler Clippard to A's for Yonil Escobar?
Posted by: Naega Jeil Jal Naga ()
Date: January 19, 2015 04:11PM

This guy is a... 5,089.

All this pain and suffering inflicted by a single guy. I shudder to think of the powers he must have. Or is it that he's about normal while you "multitudes" are merely exceptionally weak and helpless? Got to be one or the other...

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Re: Tyler Clippard to A's for Yonil Escobar?
Posted by: Yes, lots of people laugh at... ()
Date: January 19, 2015 04:23PM

Naega Jeil Jal Naga Wrote:
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> This guy is a... 5,089.
>
> All this pain and suffering inflicted by a single
> guy. I shudder to think of the powers he must
> have. Or is it that he's about normal while you
> "multitudes" are merely exceptionally weak and
> helpless? Got to be one or the other...


^ sad little clowns like you.


sad-clown.jpg

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Re: Tyler Clippard to A's for Yonil Escobar?
Posted by: quarry inn ()
Date: January 19, 2015 04:25PM

Tony Tarasco = Asshole Spotter?

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Re: Tyler Clippard to A's for Yonil Escobar?
Posted by: wFr3s ()
Date: January 19, 2015 04:51PM

quarry inn Wrote:
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> Tony Tarasco = Asshole Spotter?


Among others. It's a really sad situation all around. He thinks people envy him. All I feel is pity.

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Re: Tyler Clippard to A's for Yonil Escobar?
Posted by: Naega Jeil Jal Naga ()
Date: January 19, 2015 05:09PM

quarry inn, wFr3s ... 5,089 ... 5,090 ...

Your weakness spreads like an oil slick. Your envy and butthurt multiply as do the tribbles.

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