http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/news/2015/geer-case-information.htm

PFC Adam Torres. Since everyone knows that all Hispanics are good Catholics, all that hoopla about a cop wanting to go to that Catholic church up the street was true.

Good kill Torres, good kill. It could've very well ended the other way around. In law enfocement you have to make split seconds decisions to keep yourself, your fellow officers and bystanders safe. No sympathy here for Geer. You fuck around and start a standoff, potentially endangering other lives, all bets are off. He got exactly what was coming to him.

*John* Geer, excuse me.

FFXU Stands By Adam Torres Wrote:
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> http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/news/2015/geer-case-i
> nformation.htm
>
> PFC Adam Torres. Since everyone knows that all
> Hispanics are good Catholics, all that hoopla
> about a cop wanting to go to that Catholic church
> up the street was true.
>
> Good kill Torres, good kill. It could've very well
> ended the other way around. In law enfocement you
> have to make split seconds decisions to keep
> yourself, your fellow officers and bystanders
> safe. No sympathy here for Geer. You fuck around
> and start a standoff, potentially endangering
> other lives, all bets are off. He got exactly what
> was coming to him.

I'd like to think you're trying some sort of performance art, but it sounds like you're quite the cunt faggot. The spic police officer shot an unarmed man standing INSIDE his own home. I wish herpes on you and leprosy on your family.

The Mike O'Meara Show Wrote:
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> I'd like to think you're trying some sort of
> performance art, but it sounds like you're quite
> the cunt faggot. The spic police officer shot an
> unarmed man standing INSIDE his own home. I wish
> herpes on you and leprosy on your family.

Some phrases that most likely escaped you:

> Geer was reported as having multiple firearms inside
> the home...

> ... displaying a firearm that he threatened to use
> against the police...

> ... and refused the officers’ requests that he
> remain outside and speak to them.

> Officers, including a trained negotiator, attempted
> to peaceably resolve the situation.

> When Geer began lowering his hands at one point
> during the negotiations, PFC Adam Torres fired a
> single shot that struck Geer.

> Geer immediately retreated inside the home and shut
> the front door.

> Geer did not answer the officers’ calls and offers
> of medical aid.

> A loaded, holstered firearm was recovered on the
> landing of the stairs to Geer’s left where he had
> stood in the doorway and seven more firearms were
> recovered inside the home.

Pathetic statement by our tax paid Fairfax County Police Department:

"The Circuit Court said that the Police may release . . ."

As if, the FCPD has been wanting to release the information, but couldn't by law, but now are allowed to by the Circuit Court.

What really happened is that a Fairfax County Circuit Court ORDERED the police to release the information, because the Police are acting criminally and are obstructing justice. The Circuit Court is now enforcing justice in our community by ordering our Police Department to cooperate in the investigation of this crime.

xkhJc Wrote:
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> What really happened is that a Fairfax County
> Circuit Court ORDERED the police to release the
> information, because the Police are acting
> criminally and are obstructing justice. The
> Circuit Court is now enforcing justice in our
> community by ordering our Police Department to
> cooperate in the investigation of this crime.

Yeah the whole thing sounds really bad. Lowering your hands really isn't a good reason to shoot someone (in this situation, obviously in others it's justified). Torres fucked up and he fucked up big. Not to say that I don't sympathize with him. In front of him he's got an angry, uncooperative drunk guy; who kicked the shit out of his girlfriend; and he's threatened to shoot police. I'd be nervous around him too, and I'd definitely make sure I'm the one not leaving the scene in a body bag. You'd have to think: did he have that holstered gun on him when he was shot and he placed it on the stairs after he was shot?

I think the most reasonable outcome for this incident is for Torres to get fired. Not resign or retire (sounds like he was rookie anyway), but fired.

Washington postr calls him KILLER wtf

Mr GEER had not committed any crime,he told the police to leave his property and he was murdered for that.I pray everyday that God will kill that murdering pig and all the others involved in the murder and coverup.

jo Wrote:
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> Mr GEER had not committed any crime,he told the
> police to leave his property and he was murdered
> for that.I pray everyday that God will kill that
> murdering pig and all the others involved in the
> murder and coverup.

According to jo of FFXU, beating women is not a crime.

If Not Why Not? He should be fired.

What is the big deal about naming the officer? The guy is just as dead regardless of who shot him.

Are John Geer's supporters going to be forming a lynch mob now?

Has He Been Fired yet? Wrote:
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> If Not Why Not? He should be fired.


It is called due process. Nobody has ruled yet if the shooting was justified or not. If the police department fired him without following the counties own rules, then the officer could turn around and sue the county for a big check and his job back. The PD just can not fire the guy.

I would like to know what documents the department were refusing to turn over. This sounds kind of strange and nobody has publicly said what the documents were. So what were they?

The citizenry of Fairfax County is so apathetic, the FCPD knew they could stall, obfuscate, and lie around this entire issue. Fairfax County citizens only care about their damn soccer fields and dog parks. Until you catch a hot bullet in the chest -- you may be next. The FCPD must be stopped. They work for us!!!! Damn doughnut poseurs.

If I saw a lynch mob going after Torres I would simply turn my back and be very happy to see this murderer get what is coming to him.Very happy.

>It is called due process. Nobody has ruled yet if the shooting was justified or not. If the police department fired him without following the counties own rules, then the officer could turn around and sue the county for a big check and his job back. The PD just can not fire the guy.


They have had more then enough time to do this. Why has this case been hidden so long?

FFXU Stands By Adam Torres Wrote:
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> The Mike O'Meara Show Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I'd like to think you're trying some sort of
> > performance art, but it sounds like you're
> quite
> > the cunt faggot. The spic police officer shot
> an
> > unarmed man standing INSIDE his own home. I
> wish
> > herpes on you and leprosy on your family.
>
> Some phrases that most likely escaped you:
>
> > Geer was reported as having multiple firearms
> inside
> > the home...
>
> > ... displaying a firearm that he threatened to
> use
> > against the police...
>
> > ... and refused the officers’ requests that he
>
> > remain outside and speak to them.
>
> > Officers, including a trained negotiator,
> attempted
> > to peaceably resolve the situation.
>
> > When Geer began lowering his hands at one point
>
> > during the negotiations, PFC Adam Torres fired a
>
> > single shot that struck Geer.
>
> > Geer immediately retreated inside the home and
> shut
> > the front door.
>
> > Geer did not answer the officers’ calls and
> offers
> > of medical aid.
>
> > A loaded, holstered firearm was recovered on the
>
> > landing of the stairs to Geer’s left where he
> had
> > stood in the doorway and seven more firearms
> were
> > recovered inside the home.

I'm sorry, but if everything you outline is true (which I doubt) that is a pathetic justification to kill someone. I sure hope you are never in a situation where you "lower your hands."

itchytriggerfinger Wrote:
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> I'm sorry, but if everything you outline is true
> (which I doubt)

Ahh, conspiracy theorist. They've fired officers for unjustified shootings before, fairly recently too. Why would this shooting be an exception? Why is Torres getting the conspiracy treatment but David Ziants not?

> that is a pathetic justification to kill someone.

It's not about right or wrong. When you're drinking and you beat your girlfriend, then brandish a gun and threaten to shoot responding cops, this kind of stuff happens. He rolled the dice, and he lost.

> I sure hope you are never in a situation where you
> "lower your hands."

Well, I've never beat my wife so...

When will you idiots learn? John Geer got what was coming to him. Sal Culosi's death is the truly outrageous shooting.

Let's get some clarity from Torres supporters: What precisely did John Geer do to justify being killed by the police?

Is it "beating a woman"? If so, why did the police wait so long to kill Geer?

Is it having multiple firearms inside the home? I think the second amendment applies.

Is it "displaying a firearm" inside your own home? I think the second amendment applies here as well.

Is it threatening to kill the police, but without the means to do so in your hands?

Is it refusing to leave your own home?

Is it lowering your hands a smidgen, even though you are obviously unarmed?

Please tell me -- which of the above provides the legal basis for killing John Geer?

First of all, Geer did not beat his girlfriend. He never touched her or the kids. She called the police the moment she got home. He was drinking, but a few beers. He was not drunk. This man did not break ANY laws. Torres shot this man in the chest with a .40 caliber hollow point and let him bleed to death. He had guns because he liked to hunt. This is Virginia. We are allowed to own guns here, Whether the police like it or not. The Bottom line is they could have talked this situation into a peaceful resolution. but instead killed an innocent man in his home. That should not be tolerated by any of us.

The illegally withheld documents were incident reports from Torres's personnel file.

Due Process Has Been Followed Wrote:
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> >It is called due process. Nobody has ruled yet if
> the shooting was justified or not. If the police
> department fired him without following the
> counties own rules, then the officer could turn
> around and sue the county for a big check and his
> job back. The PD just can not fire the guy.
>
>
> They have had more then enough time to do this.
> Why has this case been hidden so long?


Not really. The local DA nor the feds have said if there was a crime yet or not. Because of this, the PD can not do or complete their administrative investigation until there is a determination if there was a crime or not. The PD can not fire him until an administrative investigation is conducted. Its not like what you see on TV.

And I am not saying this is right or wrong but this is the way it is.

Adf1972 Wrote:
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> The illegally withheld documents were incident
> reports from Torres's personnel file.


Really? what would old personnel file reports have to do with IF the shooting was justified or not?

FFXU Stands By Adam Torres Wrote:
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> http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/news/2015/geer-case-i
> nformation.htm
>
> PFC Adam Torres. Since everyone knows that all
> Hispanics are good Catholics, all that hoopla
> about a cop wanting to go to that Catholic church
> up the street was true.
>
> Good kill Torres, good kill. It could've very well
> ended the other way around. In law enfocement you
> have to make split seconds decisions to keep
> yourself, your fellow officers and bystanders
> safe. No sympathy here for Geer. You fuck around
> and start a standoff, potentially endangering
> other lives, all bets are off. He got exactly what
> was coming to him.

I agree that officers have to make split second decisions under high stress. They go into harm's way for the benefit of the community and should be supported, provided that they act reasonably.

Still, there are at least enough questions about the decision to shoot that the shooting should not be approved without a thorough review.

It's not fair to say that the officer is a murderer, as another poster did, without the benefit of a complete investigation and without him being afforded a trial.

We want the justice system to treat us fairly. We should not be rooting for a presumption of guilt when it comes to police officers.

Based on media reports, the decision to shoot is problematic. However, with the Justice Dept investigation and the civil trial, it's understandable that the police and the county have been less than transparent. Although the police and county actions look like a cover-up, they might turn out to be simply the result of following the advice of lawyers. Maybe when more officers go on the record, the decision to shoot will become more understandable.

I would not presume to summarily judge the officer. Geer may have had alcohol and mental health issues, but I would not presume to say that he necessarily deserved to die.

Get it right Wrote:
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> First of all, Geer did not beat his girlfriend. He
> never touched her or the kids. She called the
> police the moment she got home. He was drinking,
> but a few beers. He was not drunk. This man did
> not break ANY laws. Torres shot this man in the
> chest with a .40 caliber hollow point and let him
> bleed to death. He had guns because he liked to
> hunt. This is Virginia. We are allowed to own guns
> here, Whether the police like it or not. The
> Bottom line is they could have talked this
> situation into a peaceful resolution. but instead
> killed an innocent man in his home. That should
> not be tolerated by any of us.

Why did she call the cops? Because he was drinking "a few beers"? That sounds a just a little ridiculous.

Where does the filthy pig murderer Torres live,it is important to warn local residents that a convicted murderer is living in the neighborhood and make sure the local children shun the children of Torres.

billy Wrote:
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> Where does the filthy pig murderer Torres live,it
> is important to warn local residents that a
> convicted murderer is living in the neighborhood
> and make sure the local children shun the children
> of Torres.

When was he convicted or is it possible you are so fucking stupid you don't know what convicted means?

The story was originally, she was leaving him, she was worried about his state of mind due to her leaving him, and she mentioned him having a gun or guns in the home. That's why she called the law. There was never a mention of him hitting her, or anything like that. The initial police release led me to believe it was to check on his welfare. Why a SWAT team is needed to check on someone's welfare is beyond logic

Hopefully some nig will blast that spic pig just like the NY piggies. Pigs= America's largest organized crime family.

Am I missing something here? Time to take this to a grand jury.

and.. Wrote:
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> Adf1972 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The illegally withheld documents were incident
> > reports from Torres's personnel file.
>
>
> Really? what would old personnel file reports have
> to do with IF the shooting was justified or not?

Depends what's in the reports. If he has a history of abuse, it could be a liability

Where does the filthy convicted pig Torres live?Will someone post the pictures of his house too so the public can be warned of the danger of an armed criminal in the area.Also be ware,the one that posts under the name INTERESTING is a filthy PIG.

You people are such fucking hypocrites. If Geer had been black you'd be praising the officer for putting down a violent offender. But because he was like you (drunk white woman abuser making threats with an arsenal) you think he's an innocent victim. And since the cop appears to be Hispanic, you especially want revenge. Pathetic.

You Sick Tools Wrote:
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> You people are such fucking hypocrites. If Geer
> had been black you'd be praising the officer for
> putting down a violent offender. But because he
> was like you (drunk white woman abuser making
> threats with an arsenal) you think he's an
> innocent victim. And since the cop appears to be
> Hispanic, you especially want revenge. Pathetic.

Geer was black.

Darwin award winner...one less moron to breed...we are over populated.

VVGcp Wrote:
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> You Sick Tools Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > You people are such fucking hypocrites. If Geer
> > had been black you'd be praising the officer
> for
> > putting down a violent offender. But because he
> > was like you (drunk white woman abuser making
> > threats with an arsenal) you think he's an
> > innocent victim. And since the cop appears to
> be
> > Hispanic, you especially want revenge.
> Pathetic.
>
> Geer was black.

Oh, really?

To be clear, I don't know if Geer was enough of a threat to warrant being shot. It's entirely possible that the situation could have been deescalated with a skillful negotiator and a lot of patience. In any case, it's a horrible tragedy for the children. But you people are the first to say the black guy deserved it for not cooperating with the police. Sheer hypocracy.
Attachments:

Does anyone have pictures of the murdering pig TORRES,he's a public employee so we have a complete right to have him completely identified so the public can be safe.In America we don't have secret police,his home address must also be made public.

citizen reporter Wrote:
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> Darwin award winner...one less moron to breed...we
> are over populated.

He bred already ... Two daughters who will live without a father now.
Enjoy your day.

- The FCPD is covering up Torres' personnel file. Must be some smelly details in that one!
- PERJURY issues with a FCPD Officer? No, you don't say! So hard to believe :-)
- No one from the police department, Geer's family, Geer's girlfriend, or the media has ever alleged Geer hit his girlfriend.
- There a good bit of video showing Geer at his door. None of this video shows a firearm on Geer's person or within his reach.
- While Geer was standing at the door to his own home, he was confronted by at least 3 officers, some with weapons drawn. One officer had a ballistic shield that he at one point felt comfortable laying down on a tree.
- After Geer was shot, no other officers opened fire and then they waited an HOUR, letting Geer bleed out before going in to offer aid.
- Why did they wait you ask? Ah, for an armored Bearcat with a turret-mounted battering ram to roll through Geer's front-door, followed by an assault team.

At the five month mark of silence, Fairfax prosecutor Ray Morrogh booted the case to federal prosecutors, telling me that there was “a potential conflict with one of the witnesses and this office,” and another conflict “concerns some information and I just can’t get it.”

Morrogh sought his (Torres) personnel files and that the police refused to hand it over. Morrogh then turned to the feds to possibly subpoena the file, or determine whether it was even relevant. In addition, the officer who did not fire his weapon while standing next to the shooter may have prior perjury issues, one source said. These issues could possibly explain Morrogh’s comments about a “potential conflict” (the non-shooting officer) and “some information” (the shooter’s personnel files).

Source: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/local/wp/2014/07/08/ten-months-of-silence-in-the-fairfax-police-shooting-death-of-john-geer/

You Sick Tools Wrote:
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> You people are such fucking hypocrites. If Geer
> had been black you'd be praising the officer for
> putting down a violent offender. But because he
> was like you (drunk white woman abuser making
> threats with an arsenal) you think he's an
> innocent victim. And since the cop appears to be
> Hispanic, you especially want revenge. Pathetic.


You people? Thank you Mr racist.
Wanna know what's racist? Mr Sharpton making all the noise on questionable police shootings of black people, but this one, which has more doubts than the others, and appears to be a cover-up, is conveniently ignored by Sharpton, Obama, and the national press. Apparently because he is white. That is racist

Citizen Resident Wrote:
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> citizen reporter Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Darwin award winner...one less moron to
> breed...we
> > are over populated.
>
> He bred already ... Two daughters who will live
> without a father now.
> Enjoy your day.


I have a couple wacky neighbors that I wish the police would pay a visit like this to

Ok you guys. I have been following this story before even got on the news. I'm part of the small group that got the news to pay attention to the story. I know every single detail, I know John Geer's father who was standing right outside the home and was eyewitness to the case. And let me tell you, John Geer although the call was for domestic incident, it was purely for a verbal argument him and his partner. They were very close and she is very distraught about his death. Next he never once ever threatened a police officer he had his hands up for 50 minutes before he was shot in cold blood there was no gun nothing loaded he told the officer right at the beginning that he did have guns inside his home and they were his private collection and he had a permit but he never once had them with him or threaten the officers. After he was shot the officers sat there and let him bleed to death before even attempting to minister any medical aid after an hour and a half. Then they let his body sit there for almost 5 hours. It's been 16 months and they're just now releasing name of the officer. Fairfax County needs to pay for this and that officer needs to be tried. This is directly from eye witnesses. Not from the lies FCPS just now made up to feed the media. We will be protesting at the court house Thursday from 10 am - 2 pm

Fuck Off, Tool Wrote:
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> Oh, really?
>
> To be clear, I don't know if Geer was enough of a
> threat to warrant being shot. It's entirely
> possible that the situation could have been
> deescalated with a skillful negotiator and a lot
> of patience. In any case, it's a horrible tragedy
> for the children. But you people are the first to
> say the black guy deserved it for not cooperating
> with the police. Sheer hypocracy.

Ah, so he was white. I too thought he was black, mainly because of a post here on FFXU. But his race doesn't matter to me. He got what was coming to him. Like I said: he rolled the dice, and he lost. I'm sure if he was black this would be a national news story though.

He did nothing wrong. He broke no law.

FFXU Stands By Adam Torres Wrote:
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> Fuck Off, Tool Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Oh, really?
> >
> > To be clear, I don't know if Geer was enough of
> a
> > threat to warrant being shot. It's entirely
> > possible that the situation could have been
> > deescalated with a skillful negotiator and a
> lot
> > of patience. In any case, it's a horrible
> tragedy
> > for the children. But you people are the first
> to
> > say the black guy deserved it for not
> cooperating
> > with the police. Sheer hypocracy.
>
> Ah, so he was white. I too thought he was black,
> mainly because of a post here on FFXU. But his
> race doesn't matter to me. He got what was coming
> to him. Like I said: he rolled the dice, and he
> lost. I'm sure if he was black this would be a
> national news story though.

Wait till you resemble a suspect that the fcpd is looking for. You have a cell phone, or a big black dildo in hand, then POW! Then you lay there, bleeding out with no help for half an hour. Meanwhile, people who you troll on here will be standing up for you and the wrong done to you. Karma is a bitch

karma police Wrote:
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> FFXU Stands By Adam Torres Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Fuck Off, Tool Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Oh, really?
> > >
> > > To be clear, I don't know if Geer was enough
> of
> > a
> > > threat to warrant being shot. It's entirely
> > > possible that the situation could have been
> > > deescalated with a skillful negotiator and a
> > lot
> > > of patience. In any case, it's a horrible
> > tragedy
> > > for the children. But you people are the
> first
> > to
> > > say the black guy deserved it for not
> > cooperating
> > > with the police. Sheer hypocracy.
> >
> > Ah, so he was white. I too thought he was
> black,
> > mainly because of a post here on FFXU. But his
> > race doesn't matter to me. He got what was
> coming
> > to him. Like I said: he rolled the dice, and he
> > lost. I'm sure if he was black this would be a
> > national news story though.
>
> Wait till you resemble a suspect that the fcpd is
> looking for. You have a cell phone, or a big black
> dildo in hand, then POW! Then you lay there,
> bleeding out with no help for half an hour.
> Meanwhile, people who you troll on here will be
> standing up for you and the wrong done to you.
> Karma is a bitch

We don't need to wait for the police to give him a taste of what happened to Geer. Sad individuals like this end up ruining their own lives.
Praising Officer Torres for killing a man he never knew isn't the sign of a person who's happy with himself. This person likely exudes negativity wherever he goes. I'm sure it's difficult for a person like that to find friends of loyalty, character, and wisdom. In work, a person like this rarely has the clarity of mind to accomplish anything of note. In love, his own insecurities drive away anyone of value. His own persona is his downfall.
In the end, just know that: "He got exactly what was coming to him."

This story is not going away....

https://www.facebook.com/NorthernVirginiaCopBlock

According to Nova cop block, after the info was released by court order, the cops said in the report that Geer had a gun in his hand. They definitely would have released that info earlier. If that story is true, than there is a big coverup and more than pig Torres need to go to jail. Thanks for the Facebook link. Its very informative and shows how fcpd cannot be trusted. It also gives details on two other fcpd committed murders. I can see why protesters in NYC were hollering about killing pigs. Its wrong, but I understand.

It's important to remember that the killer (Officer Torres) is not the real problem here.

He made an awful mistake. He didn't need to have his pistol trained right at center-of-mass on Geer. He didn't need to have his finger on the trigger for that long. He especially didn't need to take that shot.

However, after the shot, the REAL crimes began.

- ALL officers on-scene (especially those in charge) refused any entry into the home to provide aid. They let Geer bleed out like an animal.
- The commanding officers authorized an Armored Bearcat with a Turret-mounted Battering Ram to destroy Geer's door.
- The people in the FCPD withheld information from the Commonwealth's Attorney, necessitating the case to be moved to the Federal Attorney's office.
- The people in the FCPD withheld information from the Federal Attorney's office. - None of the officers on-scene or otherwise with information about this case has stepped forward to talk to reporters and the Geer family about what happened. The only right thing to do here is to break the blue wall of silence.

for taking a few freebies.. This Geer case sounds a lot more serious. There was no gun in Geer's hands according to witnesses.

We will see.

Most on this post do not care to hear the truth. They are too caught up in their own self loathing and ideals, so they pick a side based on hearsay.

Let me just say this...

+ Owning a gun(s) is a constitutional right.

+ A gun owner has a right to keep a loaded weapon in their house, as many do for protection.

+ John Geer was a good man and a good father.

+ John Geer broke no laws and as-such had no obligation to leave his residence or allow officers into his residence.

+ John Geer's hands were in plain view and eye witness testimony can/will substantiate that.

+ John Geer did not brandish a fire arm.

+ John Geer was murdered by an itchy trigger finger police officer because he was simply lowering his hands in plain view to his side - this is not against the law.

+ Undoubtedly John made some bad decisions, but he DID NOT break any laws, nor should have been MURDERED as a result.

+ PFC Torres also made a bad decision that day that resulted in the MURDER of an innocent man, a father, a son and a friend.

+ If PFC Torres was an average citizen Joe, he would be behind bars not walking the streets and at a minimum charged with manslaughter.

+ This case just represents another example of a corrupt system attempting to cover up another tragedy and protect their own.

SHAMEFUL

Some of you here should be ashamed of yourselves and to think there are fellow Americans out there that believe it is okay and justified for a cop to shoot and kill an unarmed man standing in his home - condoning this murder.

Karma is a bitch and I hope it bites some of you in the ass one day soon

Liberty from Tyranny Wrote:
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> Most on this post do not care to hear the truth.
> They are too caught up in their own self loathing
> and ideals, so they pick a side based on hearsay.
>
>
> Let me just say this...
>
> + Owning a gun(s) is a constitutional right.
>
> + A gun owner has a right to keep a loaded weapon
> in their house, as many do for protection.
>
> + John Geer was a good man and a good father.
>
> + John Geer broke no laws and as-such had no
> obligation to leave his residence or allow
> officers into his residence.
>
> + John Geer's hands were in plain view and eye
> witness testimony can/will substantiate that.
>
> + John Geer did not brandish a fire arm.
>
> + John Geer was murdered by an itchy trigger
> finger police officer because he was simply
> lowering his hands in plain view to his side -
> this is not against the law.
>
> + Undoubtedly John made some bad decisions, but he
> DID NOT break any laws, nor should have been
> MURDERED as a result.
>
> + PFC Torres also made a bad decision that day
> that resulted in the MURDER of an innocent man, a
> father, a son and a friend.
>
> + If PFC Torres was an average citizen Joe, he
> would be behind bars not walking the streets and
> at a minimum charged with manslaughter.
>
> + This case just represents another example of a
> corrupt system attempting to cover up another
> tragedy and protect their own.
>
> SHAMEFUL
>
> Some of you here should be ashamed of yourselves
> and to think there are fellow Americans out there
> that believe it is okay and justified for a cop to
> shoot and kill an unarmed man standing in his home
> - condoning this murder.
>
> Karma is a bitch and I hope it bites some of you
> in the ass one day soon

+ 1,000

The cop was excited as anyone would be. And had never been in a situation like this.

He had been holding his pistol on Geer for some time was getting tired

Geer moved his hands slowly

The cop accidently squeezed and shot him. A lousy accident some what like
Sal Culosi's shooting.

The county paid out a couple million for Sals death so they played the cover up game trying to get out paying for Geers death.

By rights a Grand Jury should here this case. The county is stupid to have let this go on so long. The cop probably made a mistake and did not mean to kill Geer and his supervisors would not let EMS enter to help Geer.

Hey ! No Mayor no one in charge in Fairfax Co. Lousy Board of Supervisors "rule" At least in Hay Seed Va you can vote for the Sheriff and if a stink like this happens vote their asses out of a job. Not happening here in FXCO.

I wonder if the 6 protesters were cold today.

The thing I can't get over is that he wasn't allowed assistance after being shot. Whoever made that call, and whoever was on scene and served directly beneath that individual need to be charged with something. Maybe not with anything like manslaughter, but could a higher ranking officer be charged with interfering? Or obstruction? Police are supposed to protect and serve. I'm sure that someone wanted to assist. If nobody wanted to assist, then they should all be fired. Letting a guy lay there and bleed out is disgusting. Torres, at the least, needs to be fired.

Nova Cop Block is awesome.

After so many wrongful police shootings, it sure looks like something will be done this time.

Let us hope so.

It's not that Torres made a mistake, which he did. It's the cover-up that is getting the attention of the Circuit Court and the Feds.

If they widen the investigation to the other shootings, then Fairfax County is in Big Big Trouble.

Good, fuck that spic Torres and fuck FCPD.

This is an unusual and complicated situation for Fairfax County. Our current policies regarding a police involved shooting do not address the unique situation where the Commonwealth’s Attorney refers a case to federal investigators. Our Board will thoroughly review these policies to make sure we are consistently responsive and transparent with regard to police incidents and public safety concerns.

In Fairfax County, we have worked very hard to build trust within the community, especially with the Police Department, and our policies must reflect this.

Statistically, Fairfax County is the safest jurisdiction of its size

if i had a dime for every polititian that said "our county / country has the best record" "has the happiest poeople"

current policy

policy and weapons are illegal. weapons are strictly by law.

only mexico shoots people "by policy"

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

the most probably line of reasoning is, still, the wife set up the murder

and has currently got away with it

and bull-o-va is allower "for feminist power" her to use the court to try to sue me for $12 million when likely the woman already GOT an insurance payout

did anyone forget the $12 million part ?

if you did your a looser

EwwmF Wrote:
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> This is an unusual and complicated situation for
> Fairfax County. Our current policies regarding a
> police involved shooting do not address the unique
> situation where the Commonwealth’s Attorney
> refers a case to federal investigators. Our Board
> will thoroughly review these policies to make sure
> we are consistently responsive and transparent
> with regard to police incidents and public safety
> concerns.
>
> In Fairfax County, we have worked very hard to
> build trust within the community, especially with
> the Police Department, and our policies must
> reflect this.
>
> Statistically, Fairfax County is the safest
> jurisdiction of its size

Fcpd has an image to maintain. Hence the cover up. Not their first coverup from an officer related homicide. Nor second.
Serious jail time for all in the cover up and those who refused to render aid

EwwmF Wrote:
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> This is an unusual and complicated situation for
> Fairfax County. Our current policies regarding a
> police involved shooting do not address the unique
> situation where the Commonwealth’s Attorney
> refers a case to federal investigators. Our Board
> will thoroughly review these policies to make sure
> we are consistently responsive and transparent
> with regard to police incidents and public safety
> concerns.
>
> In Fairfax County, we have worked very hard to
> build trust within the community, especially with
> the Police Department, and our policies must
> reflect this.
>
> Statistically, Fairfax County is the safest
> jurisdiction of its size


Your board is part of the problem!

The fact is, this is not an unusual circumstance for FFX Cty, in fact several other unarmed citizens were shot by police. And it was the county that stifled every attempt by those families that sought justice in those cases.

It is YOUR board that set the policies and has refused to change their ways. The current supervisor along with the rest of the administration should also be brought up on corruption charges. It has taken 17 months and a judge to order the County to turn over its evidence on this case, otherwise they would have continued to assist in covering up this travesty.

Every board member should be voted out next election cycle! They themselves are criminally negligent in this case IMO.

When the system is-such that the fox is watching the hen house, it should be DEEPLY concerning to the citizens of this county.

No police department should police itself. There should always be an independent review board. It may cost more, but its cheaper than lawsuits. Also, when an officer is charged for anything, the trial should take part in a county other than the one he is employed in. There's always a conflict with the da, since they often deal with the same officers or their supervisors

>Every board member should be voted out next election cycle!

No a referendum should be held to change Fairfax County to a City with a accountable Mayor who can FIRE the Police Chief or any other county agency head.

>When the system is-such that the fox is watching the hen house, it should be DEEPLY concerning to the citizens of this county.

This is very true and the reason is NO ONE Is In Charge. Sharon Bulova can fire no one, nor can any member of the board and they will not come together to do anything, They just want "everything to please go away" to get re elected.

Not so easy for a Mayor to do that. With all the counties voters watching.

Pat Herrity said it best:


• Board Needs to Lead on Transparency in the Geer Shooting: Very shortly we will get transparency as a result of a court order. In the future it should not take a court order for the county to be transparent.

This Bullshit Statement from the FCPD filled with lies and misstatements only shows how fucked up the FCPD is in this case. Torres murdered John Geer and then the FCPD let him bleed out claiming he went back inside and wouldn't answer their calls. For Christs sake they shot him in the chest and he fell back into his house and died where he fell!! He never had a gun out, that's a lie! Torres, and all the cop leaders who refused to enter Geers house should be charged and tried.

Its amazing how few people care about this subject. I reckon it has a lot to do with people thinking it could never happen to them, and due to the fact that many ffx residents are from somewhere else and will go back to their hometowns after earning some $. Its why I left ffx, its full of self absorbed assholes

Wasn't Major Gun Lee in charge of the Major Crimes Detectives who investigated the shooting. Says a lot. Doesn't it?

so sad Wrote:
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> Wasn't Major Gun Lee in charge of the Major Crimes
> Detectives who investigated the shooting. Says a
> lot. Doesn't it?


Anybody and Everybody who had anything to do with the actual incident and subsequent delay and cover-up of this MURDER should be held accountable and explain their actions in a public forum where they can be scrutinized by the public for their actions. At this point the least guilty person is Officer Adam Torres, he made a horrible mistake and will have to pay the price (along with all of us Fairfax County tax payers) BUT I am sure he did not give the order to NOT go help John Geer after he was shot and bleeding to death in his doorway. Who gave that order?

Who gave the orders to stone wall the investigation and not work with the DA office? All these people need to be brought out from behind their anonymous walls and face the public, they are supposed to serve, to answer for why they refused to answer the publics demands for justice in this obviously bad shooting. Are they that arrogant that they thought they could delay and not answer for it? If they are, we do not need them running our police department. Who do these Nazis answer to? Sounds like NOONE...

i take a different viewpoint. i think it's just as likely, because the wife is suing ME et al for $12 million, that she hired a spic cop to kill her husband - for a kickback of that money

the the rest is fx co gov aiding her in getting $12 million

$12 million OVER the life insurance they probably were already paid

there isn't ever a time a husband is shot for no reason when the wife as the cause shouldn't be looked into in a somewhat endless manner

the suit? the cop suit? fooling no one. does not change facts. "shot for standing too long" leaves plenty of suspicion she was involved

these plots are nearly unheard of in fairfax county until the 2000's

but the same is very common in south america - some of those nations live and breath plots

Justicefor JG Wrote:
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> so sad Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Wasn't Major Gun Lee in charge of the Major
> Crimes
> > Detectives who investigated the shooting. Says
> a
> > lot. Doesn't it?
>
>
> Anybody and Everybody who had anything to do with
> the actual incident and subsequent delay and
> cover-up of this MURDER should be held accountable
> and explain their actions in a public forum where
> they can be scrutinized by the public for their
> actions. At this point the least guilty person is
> Officer Adam Torres, he made a horrible mistake
> and will have to pay the price (along with all of
> us Fairfax County tax payers) BUT I am sure he did
> not give the order to NOT go help John Geer after
> he was shot and bleeding to death in his doorway.
> Who gave that order?
>
> Who gave the orders to stone wall the
> investigation and not work with the DA office?
> All these people need to be brought out from
> behind their anonymous walls and face the public,
> they are supposed to serve, to answer for why they
> refused to answer the publics demands for justice
> in this obviously bad shooting. Are they that
> arrogant that they thought they could delay and
> not answer for it? If they are, we do not need
> them running our police department. Who do these
> Nazis answer to? Sounds like NOONE...


As long as there is no settlement in the civil suit, then people will have to answer. A good lawyer will put anyone remotely involved on the stand.

Another example of the inept leadership in the Fairfax County Police Department. Promoting incompetents to high level leadership positions where they have no business being there. Rohrer had lots to do with promotion of minorities. This is the end result after years in the making. It is plain incompetence, lack of knowledge, and idiotic. Good cops have been leaving the Department in droves.

You can blame the Chief for not divulging the cop's name initially because that is his call. The County Attorney would then later be involved in not releasing information during the lawsuit. I am sure that the Head of the Board of Supervisor was informed all along. No doubt.

No accountability. No transparency. No intelligence.

Understand That. BOS Bunch of Shit. No one in charge.

A police department cannot police itself. Everyone has heard of the blue line of silence. And it exists most everywhere. It is the rare cop that will speak out and put his job on the line. I've known a few people that used to be cops. A couple were fcpd. They quit early on. They didnt like what they saw. One friend, he was a DC cop, said that there's little distinction between the cop and criminal mindset

If we all saw what goes on in FXCO every day thru the eyes of a cop we would not be so critical of them.

Just save the hero worship though. It won't keep you out of a ticket Suck Ups.

There doing there jobs. Most of the time.

yep really Wrote:
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> Another example of the inept leadership in the
> Fairfax County Police Department. Promoting
> incompetents to high level leadership positions
> where they have no business being there. Rohrer
> had lots to do with promotion of minorities. This
> is the end result after years in the making. It is
> plain incompetence, lack of knowledge, and
> idiotic. Good cops have been leaving the
> Department in droves.
>
> You can blame the Chief for not divulging the
> cop's name initially because that is his call.
> The County Attorney would then later be involved
> in not releasing information during the lawsuit.
> I am sure that the Head of the Board of Supervisor
> was informed all along. No doubt.
>
> No accountability. No transparency. No
> intelligence.


Wait until you see what the department is like in about eight years. "Supervisors" who have no street experience, promoted based on race and/or sex, females and minorities who should have been fired for committing crimes off duty will be leading the herd. All the good cops are leaving by the handful.

Some are good, some are bad. I imagine theres more good, But the bad getting covered up makes a person question them all. One bad apple spoils the bunch. And they don't call each other out. The blue line of silence is a very real thing. Cops are very much like a fraternity

Justicefor JG Wrote:
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> so sad Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Wasn't Major Gun Lee in charge of the Major
> Crimes
> > Detectives who investigated the shooting. Says
> a
> > lot. Doesn't it?
>
>
> Anybody and Everybody who had anything to do with
> the actual incident and subsequent delay and
> cover-up of this MURDER should be held accountable
> and explain their actions in a public forum where
> they can be scrutinized by the public for their
> actions. At this point the least guilty person is
> Officer Adam Torres, he made a horrible mistake
> and will have to pay the price (along with all of
> us Fairfax County tax payers) BUT I am sure he did
> not give the order to NOT go help John Geer after
> he was shot and bleeding to death in his doorway.
> Who gave that order?
>
> Who gave the orders to stone wall the
> investigation and not work with the DA office?
> All these people need to be brought out from
> behind their anonymous walls and face the public,
> they are supposed to serve, to answer for why they
> refused to answer the publics demands for justice
> in this obviously bad shooting. Are they that
> arrogant that they thought they could delay and
> not answer for it? If they are, we do not need
> them running our police department. Who do these
> Nazis answer to? Sounds like NOONE...

^^^^ THIS ^^^^

So if you are a member of the FCPD and you were either there at the scene, or have information about it, what is the right thing to do?

1. Go to John Geer's family's attorney and spill your guts immediately.
2. Go to Tom Jackman of the Washington Post and spill your guts.
3. Go to the Commonwealth's Attorney's office and spill your guts.

The right thing to do aint gonna pay the bills though. Doing the "right thing" will get that cop fired sooner or later and he/she/it will be blackballed and never have a job again. Other than a walmart greeter. If a cop knows something, he/she/it is between a rock and a hard place.

The right thing is for FCPD leadership to admit they fucked up.

Very true wot,
And that's why there is effectively no such thing as a Good Cop.
Protect yourself

>
> Wait until you see what the department is like in
> about eight years. "Supervisors" who have no
> street experience, promoted based on race and/or
> sex, females and minorities who should have been
> fired for committing crimes off duty will be
> leading the herd. All the good cops are leaving by
> the handful.

You see this now. Major (Asian) is absolutely clueless. Major (female) Erin spent a year on the street after her probation year before going to PIO and then one promotion after another. Chief had a nickname of Special Ed for his lame brain actions before getting promoted. And the list goes on. Seriously. This is who got promoted. Then they attacked the good officers who challenged them during their career as a form of payback. Proven bullshit IA investigations. Cops are running from FCPD. Not sermon, just a fact. Lack of intelligence and common sense. It shows. Big time.

Your stupidity is shocking. Unarmed means unarmed.
Either Torres is a chicken sh*t, suffering from roid rage, a murderer, has almost as low of an IQ as you.... but the real truth is all of the above.

Was he armed?
Was a gun on his person?
"NO" you say? So he knowingly shot an unarmed man?

I wonder how Torres will do in prison? He will be Probably not be in general population so he will be fine I suppose but make no mistake, "that good shooting" as you put it just got Torres a lil vacation behind bars. Do you think he will loose his pension in the civil lawsuit?

He will probably be able to get work as an unarmed mall cop after he is released from prison.

At the very least, Torres should undergo psych evaluation based on his behavior towards a Commonwealth attorney. His judgement in the fatal shooting makes him a question mark with respect to being able to competently carry out his duties as an officer.
He did show concern for Geer right after the shooting and wanted him to receive immediate medical attention. That is to his credit. I still wonder why the door was not kicked in or simply opened if unlocked when the officers stopped hearing noise inside. It could have been done quickly and cover was just a couple of steps away behind a brick wall putting them out of any possible line of fire. I know some calibers can cross through brick, but they were dealing with a wounded individual with a shot to the torso. (I'm guessing that was the sole reason for not going in ... the thought Geer would return fire while wounded.)

The sharp shooters / those officers in the parking lot with rifles could have provided sufficient cover, if any officer had the wits to try and save Geer's life.

Even if this were done, there was no guarantee Geer would have survived his injuries.

The fact that other officers at the scene in close promixity to Geer did not feel threatened to the point of discharging their weapons is telling.

Only God and Torres know why he pulled the trigger. God forbid if he was pissed at having to wait for 40 minutes, his wrist hurt, he was pissed at the universe (as he stated months earlier to the VA attorney who had to inform him that one of his traffic stops had to be nolle processed) and somehow told himself he was going to shoot if Geer's hands reached shoulder height.

From the time his admin. leave ended, I'm sure Torres has been acting on his best behavior ... anything like that should not go to his credit.

He killed an unarmed citizen who should have been allowed to retreat into his own home without fear of being shot. He was not holding anyone hostage, nor threatening the police in any way that I could see based on the reports. Heck, the furniture on the front lawn is something for the HOA to address. His common-law wife even told dispatch that he wasn't threatening them and he certainly wasn't detaining them or preventing them from leaving. He was simply upset she had signed a lease to move elsewhere and so he beganb tossing out her furniture. That was his reaction and could have been easily resolved. Also,property damage is a civil case. The police don't deal with that, unless it is public / government-owned property.

Was Torres the only officer broadcasting over the radio, things like Geer was "threatening the police" and "has a gun"?

Perhaps it wasn't wise for Geer to have commented on his rights to defend himself (?) or to have displayed his holstered firearm, before throwing it out of reach (?)

Who would have thought that arguing ones rights with hands in the air, in the doorway of one's own home, could have ended like this?

Torres says he was "using his judgement" and was "not sorry" that he had shot Geer. In the interview, transciprts of which are posted on the ffx government website, he even "laughs" in between questions and some of his responses appear to be cavalier in nature.

Until this is addressed, I suppose people should take another poster's advice: If there is a dispute at your residence and LEOs are called, "Run to a neighbors house" and wait until the LEOs leave! Or jump in your car and go run some errands and don't come back for a few hours. Until this is resolved, there's no telling what can happen in the doorway of your own home.

The murderer was finally fired. Rumor has it a jury is deciding whether to charge him criminally next.

If the GOP had its act together, a group of them could sweep the Democrats off the Board of Supervisors using police oversight as their platform.