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Drunk Driving versus Drunk Rape Victim
Posted by: Ponedering Culpabiltiy ()
Date: November 25, 2014 09:25PM

I doubt I will get a reasonable answer, but here goes:

If a drunk driver is deemed responsible for their actions, why is this not the same drunken sexual encounter? Meaning, if a drunk women "consents" while under the influence, how would that be different than choosing to drink and drive? (I am making the assumption the woman verbally communicated the Okie Dokie)

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Re: Drunk Driving versus Drunk Rape Victim
Posted by: Harry Whodeenee ()
Date: November 25, 2014 09:32PM

Interesting point, but in order for the principle to remain intact, it would have to be unlawful to have sex while inebriated (SUI?). That, of course, is a Pandora's Box.

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Re: Drunk Driving versus Drunk Rape Victim
Posted by: WingNut ()
Date: November 25, 2014 09:42PM

I think the legal term is comparative negligence.

Chick is buzzed, you're buzzed.

Is the burden on the male to breathalyze and gather some kind of proof of consent?

I think not. When you are horny enough, you tend to avoid reason. Men do, women do.

Hmmm I dunno fuckers.

It's kind of a case by case thing.

I think all rapists should be shot, but I don't feel too badly for the girl who changes her mind on Guy #6 of a 7 man train but still gets rammed.


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Re: Drunk Driving versus Drunk Rape Victim
Posted by: looking for corrections ()
Date: November 25, 2014 09:49PM

Wasn't there a recent case in Md where a girl visited a guys house for the express purpose of having sex...and midway through, changed her mind...said stop...coupla pumps later, guy stops...still charged and convicted of rape??????

I think there was...too lazy to internet search it,..

Anybody else remember this? Is this recollection close to what happened???

Feel free to research and correct or add facts where needed...

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Re: Drunk Driving versus Drunk Rape Victim
Posted by: Stay on topic, please ()
Date: November 25, 2014 09:57PM

Let's stay on topic.

If a girls gets really drunk, shit faced, puking in her hair drunk, and consents to drive a car, she is responsible if she crashes the car.

If a girls gets really drunk, shit faced, puking in her hair drunk, and consents to sex, why is she no longer responsible for he actions?

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Re: Drunk Driving versus Drunk Rape Victim
Posted by: WingNut ()
Date: November 25, 2014 09:57PM

looking for corrections Wrote:
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> Wasn't there a recent case in Md where a girl
> visited a guys house for the express purpose of
> having sex...and midway through, changed her
> mind...said stop...coupla pumps later, guy
> stops...still charged and convicted of rape??????
>
> I think there was...too lazy to internet search
> it,..
>
> Anybody else remember this? Is this recollection
> close to what happened???
>
> Feel free to research and correct or add facts
> where needed...

I think the reason she wanted to stop is worth mitigation.

He starts getting weird- talking dirty about his grandmother or saying gay shit? Convict him...

She gets a little impatient because he's taking too long? Case dismissed!


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Re: Drunk Driving versus Drunk Rape Victim
Posted by: Prozactly ()
Date: November 25, 2014 10:50PM

The difference could be explained as such: drunk driving sometimes results in injury or death. Drunk sex, not so much. You make a good point nonetheless.

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Re: Drunk Driving versus Drunk Rape Victim
Posted by: FrattyBroh ()
Date: November 25, 2014 11:35PM

Ponedering Culpabiltiy Wrote:
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> I doubt I will get a reasonable answer, but here
> goes:
>
> If a drunk driver is deemed responsible for their
> actions, why is this not the same drunken sexual
> encounter? Meaning, if a drunk women "consents"
> while under the influence, how would that be
> different than choosing to drink and drive? (I am
> making the assumption the woman verbally
> communicated the Okie Dokie)

You're a fucking idiot. Raping and drunk driving are the staples of frat-tastic living. If you can't handle both, you're a puss. Who the fuck thinks about this shit anyhow?! YOLO.

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Re: Drunk Driving versus Drunk Rape Victim
Posted by: Pondering Culpability ()
Date: November 26, 2014 07:29PM

FrattyBroh Wrote:
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> Ponedering Culpabiltiy Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I doubt I will get a reasonable answer, but
> here
> > goes:
> >
> > If a drunk driver is deemed responsible for
> their
> > actions, why is this not the same drunken
> sexual
> > encounter? Meaning, if a drunk women "consents"
> > while under the influence, how would that be
> > different than choosing to drink and drive? (I
> am
> > making the assumption the woman verbally
> > communicated the Okie Dokie)
>
> You're a fucking idiot. Raping and drunk driving
> are the staples of frat-tastic living. If you
> can't handle both, you're a puss. Who the fuck
> thinks about this shit anyhow?! YOLO.

Wow, that was probably 10 reasonable responses before a limp wristed liberal chimed in. I'm not surprised it would devolve once one decided to contribute, but it took longer than I expected.

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Re: Drunk Driving versus Drunk Rape Victim
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: November 26, 2014 07:39PM

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Re: Drunk Driving versus Drunk Rape Victim
Posted by: Moral E. Quiveylant ()
Date: November 26, 2014 11:01PM

Hmm, good question. Let's see a drink driver is the perpetrator and the drunk rape victim is a victim. Ya, they are the same.

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Re: Drunk Driving versus Drunk Rape Victim
Posted by: Youreasickfuck ()
Date: November 26, 2014 11:28PM

Sounds like you are looking for an excuse to rape someone. What a sick fuck.

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Re: Drunk Driving versus Drunk Rape Victim
Posted by: Libs are too scared to answer ()
Date: November 27, 2014 06:22AM

Youreasickfuck Wrote:
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> Sounds like you are looking for an excuse to rape
> someone. What a sick fuck.

It figures the liberals would be too scared to actually answer the question. You're a pussy and no one respects you in any way, shape or form.

But just for shits and giggles - how does it sound like I am looking for an excuse to rape someone? Please walk me through your thought process. Maybe you can write it on a scrap of paper and take a selfie.

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Re: Drunk Driving versus Drunk Rape Victim
Posted by: Rational response ()
Date: November 27, 2014 06:49AM

Drunkin driving is a crime because it involves the operation of a large and dangerous machine (a vehicle) which can cause catastrophic injury and property damage if operated improperly, especially considering the fact that cars are generally operated at high speeds in the vicinity of other cars.

Drunken sex is not a crime because if done in the manner in which it is generally intended, there is no physical or property damage and the parties invovled are generally not doing it in the middle of a busy highway where they could hurt someone else.

A drunk driver puts him/herself in the driver's seat. It does not take two people to drive a car. There is no he said/she said. We know exactly who to arrest - the driver. The driver is the sole person responsible for their actions, and may or not cause injury to him/herself or other or property.

A sexual assault takes two people. In general, men are physically stronger than women. Most rapes are of women by men, and in all rape cases, the rape victim is the injured party.

See the difference, frat boy?

If a person, man or woman, has a blood alcohol content beyond a certain limit, i.e. legally drunk, the law deems then incapable of consenting to sex, same as if they were drugged, unconscious, etc. Hence, "drunken consenual sex" is a misnomer. "Tipsy consenual sex" might happen, but blackout or puking drunk sex cannot be consensual sex under the law. Even if a drunk person says yes in a drunken stupor, the law says they cannot be believed because they are drunk. If you believe anything a drunk person says, that's on you. The law expects you to know better. If you also happen to be drunk, that's also on you. You did that to yourself. Yes, maybe the victim also willingly got drunk, but no one willingly rapes themselves.

Now, if both parties are legally drunk, it becomes a he said/she said. The law has already determined that the woman was incapable of giving consent. Therefore, it is by definition rape, but it's much more difficult to get a conviction for a variety of reasons - cultural and other. In addition, when both parties are drunk, the complaining victim often doesn't remember all the details.

Here is an important point - the victim does not "press charges." That is up to the Commonwealth's Attorney (or the DA in other states.) No victim gets to decide whether or not charges will be filed. Victims can only file complaints; and after an investigation, only the CA/DA's office can actually file charges and then a judge can issue a warrant for arrest if the evidence justifies it. CA/DA offices often choose not to pursue date/druken rape cases precisely because they are difficult to prove.

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Re: Drunk Driving versus Drunk Rape Victim
Posted by: NippleChuck ()
Date: November 27, 2014 06:51AM

2, 3, 1, 5, but I would have to really drunk to hit 5 even if she begged me. 4 can fuck 6 in his ass.
And who the fuck wants to fuck a chick that just puked in her hair???? Even if she give up her ass shes apt to shit all over you.

And don't drive drunk!

Nip

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Re: Drunk Driving versus Drunk Rape Victim
Posted by: NippleChuck ()
Date: November 27, 2014 06:56AM

Looks like me and Rational Response are on the same page. Great answer RR though I like mine better.
Nip

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Re: Drunk Driving versus Drunk Rape Victim
Posted by: Phrat Boy ()
Date: November 27, 2014 07:10AM

Rational response Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Drunkin driving is a crime because it involves the
> operation of a large and dangerous machine (a
> vehicle) which can cause catastrophic injury and
> property damage if operated improperly, especially
> considering the fact that cars are generally
> operated at high speeds in the vicinity of other
> cars.
>
> Drunken sex is not a crime because if done in the
> manner in which it is generally intended, there is
> no physical or property damage and the parties
> invovled are generally not doing it in the middle
> of a busy highway where they could hurt someone
> else.
>
> A drunk driver puts him/herself in the driver's
> seat. It does not take two people to drive a car.
> There is no he said/she said. We know exactly who
> to arrest - the driver. The driver is the sole
> person responsible for their actions, and may or
> not cause injury to him/herself or other or
> property.
>
> A sexual assault takes two people. In general, men
> are physically stronger than women. Most rapes are
> of women by men, and in all rape cases, the rape
> victim is the injured party.
>
> See the difference, frat boy?
>
> If a person, man or woman, has a blood alcohol
> content beyond a certain limit, i.e. legally
> drunk, the law deems then incapable of consenting
> to sex, same as if they were drugged, unconscious,
> etc. Hence, "drunken consenual sex" is a misnomer.
> "Tipsy consenual sex" might happen, but blackout
> or puking drunk sex cannot be consensual sex under
> the law. Even if a drunk person says yes in a
> drunken stupor, the law says they cannot be
> believed because they are drunk. If you believe
> anything a drunk person says, that's on you. The
> law expects you to know better. If you also happen
> to be drunk, that's also on you. You did that to
> yourself. Yes, maybe the victim also willingly got
> drunk, but no one willingly rapes themselves.
>
> Now, if both parties are legally drunk, it becomes
> a he said/she said. The law has already determined
> that the woman was incapable of giving consent.
> Therefore, it is by definition rape, but it's much
> more difficult to get a conviction for a variety
> of reasons - cultural and other. In addition, when
> both parties are drunk, the complaining victim
> often doesn't remember all the details.
>
> Here is an important point - the victim does not
> "press charges." That is up to the Commonwealth's
> Attorney (or the DA in other states.) No victim
> gets to decide whether or not charges will be
> filed. Victims can only file complaints; and after
> an investigation, only the CA/DA's office can
> actually file charges and then a judge can issue a
> warrant for arrest if the evidence justifies it.
> CA/DA offices often choose not to pursue
> date/druken rape cases precisely because they are
> difficult to prove.

You fucking retard. You still missed the whole point of the conversation.

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Re: Drunk Driving versus Drunk Rape Victim
Posted by: not equivalent ()
Date: November 27, 2014 08:17AM

Moral E. Quiveylant Wrote:
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> Hmm, good question. Let's see a drink driver is
> the perpetrator and the drunk rape victim is a
> victim. Ya, they are the same.

And the related point is that the drunk driver is committing a criminal act whereas the drunk rape victim is not. As was noted above, if it were a crime to have sex, there would be a rough equivalence between drunk driving and drunk sex. A better analogy would be to contracts signed while drunk or under the influence. They can be nullified.

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Re: Drunk Driving versus Drunk Rape Victim
Posted by: Yeah, but.... ()
Date: November 27, 2014 08:44AM

The basic question here is one of responsibility. Take the emotion out of the equation and assume there is no bad intent on the part of the sexual partner.

Why is it that making the choice to drive drunk is viewed differently than the choice to have sex when drunk? The drunk driver can't say later "I was drunk so I didn't have the capacity to make a good choice." However, apparently a drunk woman can say later "I was drunk so I didn't have the capacity to make a good choice" and she can then claim she was raped. I see a huge inequity here. It is clearly based on outdated sexist ideas.

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Re: Drunk Driving versus Drunk Rape Victim
Posted by: ick ()
Date: November 27, 2014 08:55AM

Yeah, but.... Wrote:
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> The basic question here is one of responsibility.
> Take the emotion out of the equation and assume
> there is no bad intent on the part of the sexual
> partner.
>
> Why is it that making the choice to drive drunk is
> viewed differently than the choice to have sex
> when drunk? The drunk driver can't say later "I
> was drunk so I didn't have the capacity to make a
> good choice." However, apparently a drunk woman
> can say later "I was drunk so I didn't have the
> capacity to make a good choice" and she can then
> claim she was raped. I see a huge inequity here.
> It is clearly based on outdated sexist ideas.


Very well expressed. Today we give so many people an "out" from their own personal responsibility. Always someone else's fault, and poor, poor me, I am the victim.

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Re: Drunk Driving versus Drunk Rape Victim
Posted by: I need feminism ()
Date: November 27, 2014 08:59AM

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Re: Drunk Driving versus Drunk Rape Victim
Posted by: SRRes ()
Date: November 27, 2014 09:12AM

with the new policies developing on the idea of campus rape culture, it may become a crime for men to have sex drunk. In some cases it may become a crime for men to have sex, period. Some women would like to criminalize men for existing, it seems.

Until the pendulum swings back to a place of greater personal responsibility, sans affirmative action-style policies in sex, gender, whatever, it's going to remain a very good question why it is "sexist" to expect others to take full responsibility for women's choices, wise, empowering, or not.

(and before the trolls start calling me a frat boy rapist, I'm a woman, and probably older than some of you put together.)

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Re: Drunk Driving versus Drunk Rape Victim
Posted by: oh bother ()
Date: November 27, 2014 09:59AM

SRRes Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> with the new policies developing on the idea of
> campus rape culture, it may become a crime for men
> to have sex drunk. In some cases it may become a
> crime for men to have sex, period. Some women
> would like to criminalize men for existing, it
> seems.
>
> Until the pendulum swings back to a place of
> greater personal responsibility, sans affirmative
> action-style policies in sex, gender, whatever,
> it's going to remain a very good question why it
> is "sexist" to expect others to take full
> responsibility for women's choices, wise,
> empowering, or not.
>
> (and before the trolls start calling me a frat boy
> rapist, I'm a woman, and probably older than some
> of you put together.)

Colleges do not determine what is a "crime." They determine what is a violation of their code of conduct. (And by the way, having sex already is a crime---if it is with a minor, if it is done in public, if you are HIV positive, etc.)

No, you are not a "frat boy rapist" (although you may be the mother of one). You are just hysterical.

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Re: Drunk Driving versus Drunk Rape Victim
Posted by: oh bother? ()
Date: November 27, 2014 10:10AM

oh bother Wrote:
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> SRRes Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > with the new policies developing on the idea of
> > campus rape culture, it may become a crime for
> men
> > to have sex drunk. In some cases it may become
> a
> > crime for men to have sex, period. Some women
> > would like to criminalize men for existing, it
> > seems.
> >
> > Until the pendulum swings back to a place of
> > greater personal responsibility, sans
> affirmative
> > action-style policies in sex, gender, whatever,
> > it's going to remain a very good question why
> it
> > is "sexist" to expect others to take full
> > responsibility for women's choices, wise,
> > empowering, or not.
> >
> > (and before the trolls start calling me a frat
> boy
> > rapist, I'm a woman, and probably older than
> some
> > of you put together.)
>
> Colleges do not determine what is a "crime." They
> determine what is a violation of their code of
> conduct. (And by the way, having sex already is a
> crime---if it is with a minor, if it is done in
> public, if you are HIV positive, etc.)
>
> No, you are not a "frat boy rapist" (although you
> may be the mother of one). You are just
> hysterical.

Translation: I don't have anything of substance to offer, so I'll mention that it's illegal to have sex if you have the HIV. Oh, that's not actaully illegal. Oops.

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Re: Drunk Driving versus Drunk Rape Victim
Posted by: vPJJJ ()
Date: November 27, 2014 10:20AM

>>Why is it that making the choice to drive drunk is viewed differently than the choice to have sex when drunk?<<

Because our society, culture and legislatures have determined that it is inherently dangerous to drive drunk, while it is not necessarily inherently dangerous to have sex while drunk. In addition, when you "make the choice to drive drunk" you have indeed made a choice, of your own volition and by yourself. "The choice to have sex when drunk" is not necessarily your choice. It takes two. The law has determined that a drunk person cannot consent, therefore, no choice was made in the eyes of the law. Theoretically, a man who has sex while in a drunken stupor can accuse the woman (or other man) he ahd sex with of rape. It doesn't happen often, but it's not unheard of. That's one of the differences. There are TWO people involved, therefore the law can assume that someone made a choice and someone else might not have. On the other hand, it's not illegal to masturbate while drunk. If anyone isn't understanding this, they are willfully and aggressively stupid, or just a troll.

If you don't like our laws, which include laws that say that drunk or otherwise incapacitated people cannot consent to sex, then you have two choices: work to change those laws (let me see you run for office on a platform of legalizing rape) or move to a country that has no such laws.

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Re: Drunk Driving versus Drunk Rape Victim
Posted by: Former Foust Supporter ()
Date: November 27, 2014 10:24AM

If you don't like our laws , which include laws that say that drunk or otherwise incapacitated people cannot consent to sex, then you have two choices: work to change those laws (let me see you run for office on a platform of legalizing rape) or move to a country that has no such laws then burn down neighborhood businesses, mob attack elderly people, and have the president justify your actions as people needing to understand the anger. Oh and get the MSM to carry your version of the story only to whip people into a frenzy.

Fixed it for you.

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Re: Drunk Driving versus Drunk Rape Victim
Posted by: Solution Joe ()
Date: November 27, 2014 10:43AM

Legalize prostitution and set up a red light district in every city and town. Problem solved. Works great in other countries.

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Re: Drunk Driving versus Drunk Rape Victim
Posted by: look in a mirror ()
Date: November 27, 2014 11:01AM

oh bother? Wrote:
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> oh bother Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > SRRes Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > with the new policies developing on the idea
> of
> > > campus rape culture, it may become a crime
> for
> > men
> > > to have sex drunk. In some cases it may
> become
> > a
> > > crime for men to have sex, period. Some
> women
> > > would like to criminalize men for existing,
> it
> > > seems.
> > >
> > > Until the pendulum swings back to a place of
> > > greater personal responsibility, sans
> > affirmative
> > > action-style policies in sex, gender,
> whatever,
> > > it's going to remain a very good question why
> > it
> > > is "sexist" to expect others to take full
> > > responsibility for women's choices, wise,
> > > empowering, or not.
> > >
> > > (and before the trolls start calling me a
> frat
> > boy
> > > rapist, I'm a woman, and probably older than
> > some
> > > of you put together.)
> >
> > Colleges do not determine what is a "crime."
> They
> > determine what is a violation of their code of
> > conduct. (And by the way, having sex already is
> a
> > crime---if it is with a minor, if it is done in
> > public, if you are HIV positive, etc.)
> >
> > No, you are not a "frat boy rapist" (although
> you
> > may be the mother of one). You are just
> > hysterical.
>
> Translation: I don't have anything of substance to
> offer, so I'll mention that it's illegal to have
> sex if you have the HIV. Oh, that's not actaully
> illegal. Oops.

Quote

In many countries, intentionally or recklessly infecting another person with HIV is a crime. In the United States, the Center for HIV Law and Policy says 32 states, including Iowa, and two territories -- Guam and the U.S. Virgin Islands -- have such laws on their books.

"Oops" must be something you say frequently.

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Re: Drunk Driving versus Drunk Rape Victim
Posted by: ban the ban ()
Date: November 27, 2014 11:14AM

SRRes Wrote:
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> with the new policies developing on the idea of
> campus rape culture, it may become a crime for men
> to have sex drunk. In some cases it may become a
> crime for men to have sex, period. Some women
> would like to criminalize men for existing, it
> seems.
>
> Until the pendulum swings back to a place of
> greater personal responsibility, sans affirmative
> action-style policies in sex, gender, whatever,
> it's going to remain a very good question why it
> is "sexist" to expect others to take full
> responsibility for women's choices, wise,
> empowering, or not.
>
> (and before the trolls start calling me a frat boy
> rapist, I'm a woman, and probably older than some
> of you put together.)

It is already a violation of the code of conduct to have pre-marital sex on many college campuses. Examples include Liberty U., Catholic U, and the service academies; but there are many others. It is highly unlikely that the UVa experience will cause many to ban pre-marital sex because such bans do not work.

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Re: Drunk Driving versus Drunk Rape Victim
Posted by: it's a miracle ()
Date: November 27, 2014 11:17AM

vPJJJ Wrote:
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> >>Why is it that making the choice to drive drunk
> is viewed differently than the choice to have sex
> when drunk?<<
>
> Because our society, culture and legislatures have
> determined that it is inherently dangerous to
> drive drunk, while it is not necessarily
> inherently dangerous to have sex while drunk. In
> addition, when you "make the choice to drive
> drunk" you have indeed made a choice, of your own
> volition and by yourself. "The choice to have sex
> when drunk" is not necessarily your choice. It
> takes two. The law has determined that a drunk
> person cannot consent, therefore, no choice was
> made in the eyes of the law. Theoretically, a man
> who has sex while in a drunken stupor can accuse
> the woman (or other man) he ahd sex with of rape.
> It doesn't happen often, but it's not unheard of.
> That's one of the differences. There are TWO
> people involved, therefore the law can assume that
> someone made a choice and someone else might not
> have. On the other hand, it's not illegal to
> masturbate while drunk. If anyone isn't
> understanding this, they are willfully and
> aggressively stupid, or just a troll.

+1 Thank goodness someone is thinking.

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Re: Drunk Driving versus Drunk Rape Victim
Posted by: Mirror mirror ()
Date: November 27, 2014 11:17AM

look in a mirror Wrote:
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> > it's a
> > > crime---if it is with a minor, if it is done
> in
> > > public, if you are HIV positive, etc.)


> > Translation: I don't have anything of substance to offer, so I'll mention that it's illegal to have sex if you have the HIV. Oh, that's not actaully illegal. Oops.
>
>
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In many countries, intentionally or
> recklessly infecting another person with HIV is a
> crime. In the United States, the Center for HIV
> Law and Policy says 32 states, including Iowa, and
> two territories -- Guam and the U.S. Virgin
> Islands -- have such laws on their books.
>
>
> "Oops" must be something you say frequently.

Wow, you are dumb. Having sex with someone does not equate to infecting them with the HIV. And yes, when I make fun of dumb liberals I do say oops. And since there are so many dumb liberals tha happens a lot. Dumbass.

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Re: Drunk Driving versus Drunk Rape Victim
Posted by: SRRes ()
Date: November 27, 2014 02:59PM

oh bother, no not the mother of one either. Wrong on several counts, in fact.

Educate yourself if you're going to pontificate as if you are informed: universities are instituting and adopting new policies nationwide to deal with "rape culture", that go far beyond existing law or any burden of proof.

Add in that so much is dealt with in house on most campuses, as opposed to reporting real crimes to police, and it is a recipe for more disaster than already exists.

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Re: Drunk Driving versus Drunk Rape Victim
Posted by: oh bother ()
Date: November 27, 2014 03:37PM

Mirror mirror Wrote:
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> look in a mirror Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > > it's a
> > > > crime---if it is with a minor, if it is
> done
> > in
> > > > public, if you are HIV positive, etc.)
>
>
> > > Translation: I don't have anything of
> substance to offer, so I'll mention that it's
> illegal to have sex if you have the HIV. Oh,
> that's not actaully illegal. Oops.
> >
> >
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In many countries, intentionally or
> > recklessly infecting another person with HIV is
> a
> > crime. In the United States, the Center for HIV
> > Law and Policy says 32 states, including Iowa,
> and
> > two territories -- Guam and the U.S. Virgin
> > Islands -- have such laws on their books.
> >
> >
> > "Oops" must be something you say frequently.
>
> Wow, you are dumb. Having sex with someone does
> not equate to infecting them with the HIV. And
> yes, when I make fun of dumb liberals I do say
> oops. And since there are so many dumb liberals
> tha happens a lot. Dumbass.

Nice attempt at backtracking. You had no idea that there were laws on the books about HIV-positive people having unprotected sex. Now you try to split hairs.
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More than thirty states have prosecuted HIV positive individuals for exposing another person to HIV. A person diagnosed with HIV who infects their partner while engaging in sexual intercourse is committing a crime. A person donating HIV infected organs, tissues, and blood can be prosecuted for transmission of the virus. Spitting or transmitting HIV infected bodily fluids is considered a criminal offense in some states, particularly where the target is a prison guard. Some states consider criminal transmission of HIV as a misdemeanor.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_transmission_of_HIV

Go ahead and declare victory if it makes you feel better.

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Re: Drunk Driving versus Drunk Rape Victim
Posted by: oh bother ()
Date: November 27, 2014 03:44PM

SRRes Wrote:
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> oh bother, no not the mother of one either. Wrong
> on several counts, in fact.
>
> Educate yourself if you're going to pontificate as
> if you are informed: universities are instituting
> and adopting new policies nationwide to deal with
> "rape culture", that go far beyond existing law or
> any burden of proof.
>
> Add in that so much is dealt with in house on most
> campuses, as opposed to reporting real crimes to
> police, and it is a recipe for more disaster than
> already exists.

You completely missed the point. You are hysterical. Whether what you say is accurate is a separate point. If you cut your finger, you can say "I cut my finger. I need a band aid" or you can say "I cut my finger. I am bleeding. Somebody help me." You would say the latter because you are hysterical.

You choose to be hysterical. To you, the sky is always falling.

Anyone with an IQ above room temperature is aware of the 2011 "Dear Colleague" letter from the Department of Education. We are aware of the "preponderance of evdience" standard and the debate about the use of "clear and convincing evidence" in its place. The fact that this is a revelation to you speaks volumes.

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Re: Drunk Driving versus Drunk Rape Victim
Posted by: hiv crime ()
Date: November 27, 2014 03:52PM

oh bother Wrote:
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> Mirror mirror Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > look in a mirror Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > > it's a
> > > > > crime---if it is with a minor, if it is
> > done
> > > in
> > > > > public, if you are HIV positive, etc.)
> >
> >
> > > > Translation: I don't have anything of
> > substance to offer, so I'll mention that it's
> > illegal to have sex if you have the HIV. Oh,
> > that's not actaully illegal. Oops.
> > >
> > >
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In many countries, intentionally or
> > > recklessly infecting another person with HIV
> is
> > a
> > > crime. In the United States, the Center for
> HIV
> > > Law and Policy says 32 states, including
> Iowa,
> > and
> > > two territories -- Guam and the U.S. Virgin
> > > Islands -- have such laws on their books.
> > >
> > >
> > > "Oops" must be something you say frequently.
> >
> > Wow, you are dumb. Having sex with someone does
> > not equate to infecting them with the HIV. And
> > yes, when I make fun of dumb liberals I do say
> > oops. And since there are so many dumb liberals
> > tha happens a lot. Dumbass.
>
> Nice attempt at backtracking. You had no idea
> that there were laws on the books about
> HIV-positive people having unprotected sex. Now
> you try to split hairs.
>
Quote

More than thirty states have prosecuted
> HIV positive individuals for exposing another
> person to HIV. A person diagnosed with HIV who
> infects their partner while engaging in sexual
> intercourse is committing a crime. A person
> donating HIV infected organs, tissues, and blood
> can be prosecuted for transmission of the virus.
> Spitting or transmitting HIV infected bodily
> fluids is considered a criminal offense in some
> states, particularly where the target is a prison
> guard. Some states consider criminal transmission
> of HIV as a misdemeanor.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_transmission
> _of_HIV
>
> Go ahead and declare victory if it makes you feel
> better.

You are correct. Here are a couple of examples.

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For example, the California Health and Safety Code states that “any person who exposes another to HIV by engaging in unprotected sexual activity (anal or vaginal intercourse without a condom), when the infected person knows at the time of the unprotected sex that he or she is infected with HIV, has not disclosed his or her HIV-positive status, and acts with the specific intent to infect the other person with HIV, is guilty of a felony.” The law clarifies that “a person’s knowledge of his or her HIV-positive status, without additional evidence, is not sufficient to prove specific intent.”

Michigan law criminalizes nondisclosure, stating that if a person has been diagnosed with HIV and knows that he or she is infected and “engages in sexual penetration with another person without having first informed the other person that he or she has acquired immunodeficiency syndrome or acquired immunodeficiency syndrome related complex or is HIV infected, is guilty of a felony.”
http://www.americanbar.org/publications/human_rights_magazine_home/human_rights_vol38_2011/human_rights_spring2011/sex_and_hiv_disclosure.html

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Re: Drunk Driving versus Drunk Rape Victim
Posted by: Backtracker ()
Date: November 27, 2014 03:58PM

oh bother Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Mirror mirror Wrote:
> ------------------------------------------------
> > Wow, you are dumb. Having sex with someone does
> > not equate to infecting them with the HIV. And
> > yes, when I make fun of dumb liberals I do say
> > oops. And since there are so many dumb liberals
> > tha happens a lot. Dumbass.
>
> Nice attempt at backtracking. You had no idea
> that there were laws on the books about
> HIV-positive people having unprotected sex. Now
> you try to split hairs.
>
Quote

More than thirty states have prosecuted
> HIV positive individuals for exposing another
> person to HIV. A person diagnosed with HIV who
> infects their partner while engaging in sexual
> intercourse is committing a crime. A person
> donating HIV infected organs, tissues, and blood
> can be prosecuted for transmission of the virus.
> Spitting or transmitting HIV infected bodily
> fluids is considered a criminal offense in some
> states, particularly where the target is a prison
> guard. Some states consider criminal transmission
> of HIV as a misdemeanor.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_transmission
> _of_HIV
>
> Go ahead and declare victory if it makes you feel
> better.

That was a weak attempt to one up me, but it was another complete failure. No, I didn't have to Google the laws, you big dummy. But to make it easier for you to understand: IT IS NOT ILEGAL TO HAVE SEX JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE HIV. That is what I initailly said, and your Google results have not shown me to be wrong. After you done trimming your hipster beard, try again. This is fun.

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Re: Drunk Driving versus Drunk Rape Victim
Posted by: 94KGN ()
Date: November 27, 2014 04:48PM

Think about it this way.

You get drunk. You choose to get into your car and drive. Are you guilty of drunk driving?

You get drunk. Someone forces you into your car and forces you to drive somewhere. Are you guilty of drunk driving?

The same thing applies with sex and inebriated women. They can be forced into an act against their will. The tricky situation is the following:

You get drunk. You sober buddy says, go out and get some more beer. You agree and drive to the store. Are you guilty of drunk driving?

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Re: Drunk Driving versus Drunk Rape Victim
Posted by: SRRes ()
Date: November 27, 2014 05:10PM

no, bother sweetie, wrong again. See Alan Dershowitz' recent commentary on the new policies yet to be implemented, but currently under discussion.

You are projecting with the "hysteria", but nice try.

Now, off to have a nice Thanksgiving with real people! :D Try it sometime, trollbaby.

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Re: Drunk Driving versus Drunk Rape Victim
Posted by: FtVXy ()
Date: November 28, 2014 07:40AM

I think the mommies of some Phi Psi boys are coming out in force to defend their precious sons. Tell it to the judge, honey. Your pride and joy is going to prison.

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Re: Drunk Driving versus Drunk Rape Victim
Posted by: Fat~Bottom~Girl ()
Date: November 28, 2014 10:10AM

Ponedering Culpabiltiy Wrote:
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> I doubt I will get a reasonable answer, but here
> goes:
>
> If a drunk driver is deemed responsible for their
> actions, why is this not the same drunken sexual
> encounter? Meaning, if a drunk women "consents"
> while under the influence, how would that be
> different than choosing to drink and drive? (I am
> making the assumption the woman verbally
> communicated the Okie Dokie)

No means no. Stop means stop. Doesn't matter when, where, why, or how.

If she says no or stop and he doesn't stop, that is rape.

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Re: Drunk Driving versus Drunk Rape Victim
Posted by: prevert the pervert ()
Date: November 28, 2014 10:21AM

Harry Whodeenee Wrote:
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> Interesting point, but in order for the principle
> to remain intact, it would have to be unlawful to
> have sex while inebriated (SUI?). That, of course,
> is a Pandora's Box.


SUI, hate to do a breathalizer on that. How do you determine if you're over the limit???? Too much smell of cock or vagina on your breath?

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Re: Drunk Driving versus Drunk Rape Victim
Posted by: wendy norman ()
Date: June 06, 2017 07:38AM

First and foremost I do not condone rape or violence towards anyone. But, as a point of conjecture, it does seem a bit of a paeadox. Impairment being the key. If someone who drinks is considered "impaired" legally. It means your ability to make a sound decision has been altered. So deciding to drive, initiate sex, are both decisions you are legally not considered in full faculty to make. Of course the obvious if a woman is passed out drunk and unable to verbLize thats different. But if alcohol impairs yoiur judgemnet how do you judge accountability

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Re: Drunk Driving versus Drunk Rape Victim
Posted by: wendy norman ()
Date: June 06, 2017 07:49AM

P.S. I am not a frat boys mom. Just someone who thinks the accountability issue of these situation may require additional scrutiny. Also, all humans rather male or female must take responsibilty for our own safety. If one could argue, dont go out drinking in a bar if you dont want a DUI, then could it not also be said, dont go to an event where a crowd of drunk and judgement impaired strangers are and become impaired and not think you could be in danger as you could engage in activities you might not otherwise do

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Re: Drunk Driving versus Drunk Rape Victim
Posted by: quandaries 2 and 3 ()
Date: June 06, 2017 01:10PM

Along the same lines, why is "a woman's choice, and control over her body, to have an abortion" but, the same people telling you that would probably also say that the same woman did not have the right to prostitute herself, thus making money? And if in fact she did so, she would actually be a victim?

And, why is the woman's right alone to decide to get an abortion?

What happens if the "dad" wants the kid, and will raise him/her on his own?

No such luck.

Dad has no say in the abortion, but must participate financially in upbringing if the women decides against abortion?

Hmmm..

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