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Culture of Rape at UVA profiled in Rolling Stone
Posted by:
Rolling Stone Reader
()
Date: November 20, 2014 07:28AM
Re: Culture of Rape at UVA profiled in Rolling Stone
Posted by:
fuck rolling stone
()
Date: November 20, 2014 07:35AM
Rolling Stone Reader Wrote:
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> http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/a-rap
> e-on-campus-20141119?page=7
The Rolling Stone is bullshit. Fuck Rolling Stone. They fucking suck, print bullshit stories. That rag "magazine" is nothing more than a hyped up tabloid. Die Rolling Stone, just die.
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> http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/a-rap
> e-on-campus-20141119?page=7
The Rolling Stone is bullshit. Fuck Rolling Stone. They fucking suck, print bullshit stories. That rag "magazine" is nothing more than a hyped up tabloid. Die Rolling Stone, just die.
Re: Culture of Rape at UVA profiled in Rolling Stone
Posted by:
perspicacious reader
()
Date: November 20, 2014 08:00AM
fuck rolling stone Wrote:
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> Rolling Stone Reader Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/a-rap
>
> > e-on-campus-20141119?page=7
>
>
> The Rolling Stone is bullshit. Fuck Rolling Stone.
> They fucking suck, print bullshit stories. That
> rag "magazine" is nothing more than a hyped up
> tabloid. Die Rolling Stone, just die.
That article rings true. Thanks for posting it.
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> Rolling Stone Reader Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/a-rap
>
> > e-on-campus-20141119?page=7
>
>
> The Rolling Stone is bullshit. Fuck Rolling Stone.
> They fucking suck, print bullshit stories. That
> rag "magazine" is nothing more than a hyped up
> tabloid. Die Rolling Stone, just die.
That article rings true. Thanks for posting it.
Re: Culture of Rape at UVA profiled in Rolling Stone
Posted by:
pv7Fj
()
Date: November 20, 2014 08:07AM
The article got minor details wrong, like mistaking an ordinary frat party for an official rush event, but so what...the story is true. That's why they call it UVrApe. Anybody got the names of the perps? Post them here. Who was in Phi Psi the year this happened? Somebody knows who did it. I hope the DOJ gets more involved and a bunch of subpoenas get served on every dickhead who was a member of the frat. I can wait til theystart ratting each other out to save their own pathetic asses. Lawyer up, boys. You're gonna need it.
Re: Culture of Rape at UVA profiled in Rolling Stone
Posted by:
Find out
()
Date: November 20, 2014 08:13AM
Who was a lifeguard, a junior (excuse me...THIRD YEAR...) and a Phi Psi member in the fall of 2012? We should be able to track this scum down. Once his name is public, the walls will come down. Happy hunting.
Re: Culture of Rape at UVA profiled in Rolling Stone
Posted by:
feenx
()
Date: November 20, 2014 08:19AM
You guys need help
Re: Culture of Rape at UVA profiled in Rolling Stone
Posted by:
feebx is a rapist
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Date: November 20, 2014 08:31AM
I think it's the rapists who need help. Legal help.
UVa asks police to investigate gang-rape allegations outlined in Rolling Stone article
http://www.timesdispatch.com/news/state-regional/uva-asks-police-to-investigate-gang-rape-allegations-outlined-in/article_812d780e-6eee-570f-b3ed-925294184e8e.html
UVa asks police to investigate gang-rape allegations outlined in Rolling Stone article
http://www.timesdispatch.com/news/state-regional/uva-asks-police-to-investigate-gang-rape-allegations-outlined-in/article_812d780e-6eee-570f-b3ed-925294184e8e.html
Re: Culture of Rape at UVA profiled in Rolling Stone
Posted by:
Alexander Smith
()
Date: November 20, 2014 08:52AM
Legitimate rape at college campuses is extremely low in America. What actually happens is some woman gets intoxicated to the point they black out and wake up the next morning with some frat guy next to them.
That's the "rape" which is going on. It's pathetic journalism when they can't come up with other news at the time.
That's the "rape" which is going on. It's pathetic journalism when they can't come up with other news at the time.
Re: Culture of Rape at UVA profiled in Rolling Stone
Posted by:
I got a freaky old lady named
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Date: November 20, 2014 08:59AM
a Cocaine Katy who embroiders on my jeans...
Re: Culture of Rape at UVA profiled in Rolling Stone
Posted by:
Psycologist
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Date: November 20, 2014 09:02AM
Throwing people into the volcano. Somehow this makes a certain primitive sort feel better about their own shortcomings.
Re: Culture of Rape at UVA profiled in Rolling Stone
Posted by:
strunk
()
Date: November 20, 2014 09:18AM
Alexander Smith Wrote:
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> Legitimate rape at college campuses is extremely
> low in America. What actually happens is some
> woman gets intoxicated to the point they black out
> and wake up the next morning with some frat guy
> next to them.
>
>
> That's the "rape" which is going on. It's pathetic
> journalism when they can't come up with other news
> at the time.
And what you described is what the courts call "rape."
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> Legitimate rape at college campuses is extremely
> low in America. What actually happens is some
> woman gets intoxicated to the point they black out
> and wake up the next morning with some frat guy
> next to them.
>
>
> That's the "rape" which is going on. It's pathetic
> journalism when they can't come up with other news
> at the time.
And what you described is what the courts call "rape."
Re: Culture of Rape at UVA profiled in Rolling Stone
Posted by:
Judy E.
()
Date: November 20, 2014 09:19AM
Start enforcing the drinking laws at fraternity houses and this will curb some of this behavior.
Re: Culture of Rape at UVA profiled in Rolling Stone
Posted by:
Elitist Observer
()
Date: November 20, 2014 09:50AM
This is an example of a RICH kid school who thinks they're above everyone and the kids are always right. Get all of them together at an elitist school like UVA and this happens. Hughley is a prime example! Lawyer up and never take responsibility for ANYTHING!
Re: Culture of Rape at UVA profiled in Rolling Stone
Posted by:
Okay, so
()
Date: November 20, 2014 10:14AM
How is UVA still a functioning institution? They've had three enormous scandals in the past four years with theUVA lax scandal, Hannah Graham/serial killer on campus, and now the fra(pe)t issue and they seem to fine. I think this would cripple basically any other school. Glad my daughter never went there.
Re: Culture of Rape at UVA profiled in Rolling Stone
Posted by:
1984
()
Date: November 20, 2014 11:05AM
This type of thing has been going on for a very long time. UVA will never clean itself up, so it's time for authorities to do it. Here is a reminder.
http://www.dailyprogress.com/news/rape-victim-returns-to-uva/article_4c0255da-fe51-5205-b696-f3e20abafa04.html
And to dear Alexander Smith, who apperently was not a pre-law undergrad, "having sex" with someone who is too drunk to consent or blackout drunk is indeed "legitimate rape."
http://www.dailyprogress.com/news/rape-victim-returns-to-uva/article_4c0255da-fe51-5205-b696-f3e20abafa04.html
And to dear Alexander Smith, who apperently was not a pre-law undergrad, "having sex" with someone who is too drunk to consent or blackout drunk is indeed "legitimate rape."
Re: Culture of Rape at UVA profiled in Rolling Stone
Posted by:
Big and Black
()
Date: November 20, 2014 11:11AM
Hughley has plenty of responibility now.
12 Brothers I know Pound the shit outta his sweet white ass and mouth!
Elitist Observer Wrote:
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Hughley is a
> prime example! Lawyer up and never take
> responsibility for ANYTHING!
12 Brothers I know Pound the shit outta his sweet white ass and mouth!
Elitist Observer Wrote:
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Hughley is a
> prime example! Lawyer up and never take
> responsibility for ANYTHING!
Re: Culture of Rape at UVA profiled in Rolling Stone
Posted by:
JessieMatthew
()
Date: November 20, 2014 01:39PM
Damn, why nobody told me about frats?!!
Re: Culture of Rape at UVA profiled in Rolling Stone
Posted by:
M. London
()
Date: November 20, 2014 01:43PM
All that would be excusable if we had a better football team.
Re: Culture of Rape at UVA profiled in Rolling Stone
Posted by:
CH3NO2
()
Date: November 20, 2014 01:46PM
This is pretty typical of a entitled rich kid school. Daddy is a lawyer or other well connected businessman in most cases and the school wouldnt want to jeopardize the flow of money. These frat boys believe they are immune, and rightly so.
Re: Culture of Rape at UVA profiled in Rolling Stone
Posted by:
LouieUVArmstrong
()
Date: November 20, 2014 01:57PM
CH3NO2 Wrote:
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> This is pretty typical of a entitled rich kid
> school. Daddy is a lawyer or other well connected
> businessman in most cases and the school wouldnt
> want to jeopardize the flow of money. These frat
> boys believe they are immune, and rightly so.
"And I think to myself, 'what a wonderful woooooooooooooooooooooooorld.'"
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> This is pretty typical of a entitled rich kid
> school. Daddy is a lawyer or other well connected
> businessman in most cases and the school wouldnt
> want to jeopardize the flow of money. These frat
> boys believe they are immune, and rightly so.
"And I think to myself, 'what a wonderful woooooooooooooooooooooooorld.'"
Re: Culture of Rape at UVA profiled in Rolling Stone
Posted by:
nadada
()
Date: November 20, 2014 02:18PM
rich kids, private schools, lacrosse, uva = a bad culture
Re: Culture of Rape at UVA profiled in Rolling Stone
Posted by:
Private HS Father
()
Date: November 20, 2014 02:43PM
It starts much younger than College. My son, who has already graduated from college went to an all boys private school here in the DC area. In his freshman year he was taking a test and a kid in his class was caught cheating. When he told me the kids last name (his father is a prominent business man in DC) I said nothing would happen to him and sure enough the kid was never suspended or expelled (even though there is a zero tolerance policy). The next year another kid he knew was caught cheating (not a prominent name) and he was expelled from school. It starts young and the rich and entitled operate under a different set of rules. Really sad.
Re: Culture of Rape at UVA profiled in Rolling Stone
Posted by:
cache
()
Date: November 20, 2014 02:46PM
lists 2012 pledges: http://www3.alumni.virginia.edu/multimedia/aig/phipsi/PhiPsi_Spring12.pdf
Re: Culture of Rape at UVA profiled in Rolling Stone
Posted by:
the whole truth
()
Date: November 20, 2014 03:03PM
Alexander Smith Wrote:
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> Legitimate rape at college campuses is extremely
> low in America. What actually happens is some
> woman gets intoxicated to the point they black out
> and wake up the next morning with some frat guy
> next to them.
>
>
> That's the "rape" which is going on. It's pathetic
> journalism when they can't come up with other news
> at the time.
WTF are you talking about? That logic? I hope they don’t allow you to vote. Wait, I see you did vote.
Have you attended a real college with real dorms, real frat houses, and real campus police?
Fifty years ago the frat boys would claim to deserve the sex from the coeds, and get physical, and trick them into a sexual relationship. The boys knew rape on campus was rarely prosecuted. They also knew rape of non-coeds was very tricky to prove. Have you ever heard of “Seduction by promise” laws?
Forty years ago the boys would slip the women LSD or Quaaludes to alter the woman's mental state, and then have sex with them.
Thirty years ago, you had the boys lace the punch with enough grain alcohol to cause blackouts. It was common place. "Don't drink the punch," they would quietly say to their bros, while pouring cups of punch for the women at the party.
Now, you have frat boys using date-rape drugs to eliminate the word "No." And, you have, as referenced in the Rolling Stone piece, alcohol and weed fueled sexual anger and righteousness among many of the male student body. Sex is no longer personal, it is a physical empowerment that in many cases doesn’t care how many males are involved, or how the receiving end feels about it.
The government is forcing these colleges to take rape seriously, and to alert real police to any incident. In the wake of a certain person being removed from two Virginia Colleges for sexual misconduct, with no police involvement, and now this person is a potential murder suspect, we finally realize we have a corrupt system.
Your post seems to be blaming the victim. Typical `1930's" male-centric point of view. Rape is rape, there is no "legitimate" to it. You do not have the right to abuse women to get your rocks off. To further my statement, The Supreme Court of India wrote "Rape reduces a woman to an animal, as it shakes the very core of her life. By no means can a rape victim be called an accomplice. Rape leaves a permanent scar on the life of the victim, and therefore a rape victim is placed on a higher pedestal than an injured witness. Rape is a crime against the entire society and violates the human rights of the victim.”
Or, in your view, “she probably meant ‘yes,” anyway.” Your kind make me sick. Please, don’t raise any children.
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> Legitimate rape at college campuses is extremely
> low in America. What actually happens is some
> woman gets intoxicated to the point they black out
> and wake up the next morning with some frat guy
> next to them.
>
>
> That's the "rape" which is going on. It's pathetic
> journalism when they can't come up with other news
> at the time.
WTF are you talking about? That logic? I hope they don’t allow you to vote. Wait, I see you did vote.
Have you attended a real college with real dorms, real frat houses, and real campus police?
Fifty years ago the frat boys would claim to deserve the sex from the coeds, and get physical, and trick them into a sexual relationship. The boys knew rape on campus was rarely prosecuted. They also knew rape of non-coeds was very tricky to prove. Have you ever heard of “Seduction by promise” laws?
Forty years ago the boys would slip the women LSD or Quaaludes to alter the woman's mental state, and then have sex with them.
Thirty years ago, you had the boys lace the punch with enough grain alcohol to cause blackouts. It was common place. "Don't drink the punch," they would quietly say to their bros, while pouring cups of punch for the women at the party.
Now, you have frat boys using date-rape drugs to eliminate the word "No." And, you have, as referenced in the Rolling Stone piece, alcohol and weed fueled sexual anger and righteousness among many of the male student body. Sex is no longer personal, it is a physical empowerment that in many cases doesn’t care how many males are involved, or how the receiving end feels about it.
The government is forcing these colleges to take rape seriously, and to alert real police to any incident. In the wake of a certain person being removed from two Virginia Colleges for sexual misconduct, with no police involvement, and now this person is a potential murder suspect, we finally realize we have a corrupt system.
Your post seems to be blaming the victim. Typical `1930's" male-centric point of view. Rape is rape, there is no "legitimate" to it. You do not have the right to abuse women to get your rocks off. To further my statement, The Supreme Court of India wrote "Rape reduces a woman to an animal, as it shakes the very core of her life. By no means can a rape victim be called an accomplice. Rape leaves a permanent scar on the life of the victim, and therefore a rape victim is placed on a higher pedestal than an injured witness. Rape is a crime against the entire society and violates the human rights of the victim.”
Or, in your view, “she probably meant ‘yes,” anyway.” Your kind make me sick. Please, don’t raise any children.
Re: Culture of Rape at UVA profiled in Rolling Stone
Posted by:
SingBrother
()
Date: November 20, 2014 04:22PM
First few Brothers to quickly turn CW will save themselves a whole lot of hurt in the near future. These guys will be made examples of. After Duke lax, no prosecutor is going to fuck this one up.
Re: Culture of Rape at UVA profiled in Rolling Stone
Posted by:
NotaUVAr
()
Date: November 20, 2014 05:40PM
Re: Culture of Rape at UVA profiled in Rolling Stone
Posted by:
great falls finest
()
Date: November 20, 2014 05:54PM
Private HS Father Wrote:
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> It starts much younger than College. My son, who
> has already graduated from college went to an all
> boys private school here in the DC area. In his
> freshman year he was taking a test and a kid in
> his class was caught cheating. When he told me
> the kids last name (his father is a prominent
> business man in DC) I said nothing would happen to
> him and sure enough the kid was never suspended or
> expelled (even though there is a zero tolerance
> policy). The next year another kid he knew was
> caught cheating (not a prominent name) and he was
> expelled from school. It starts young and the
> rich and entitled operate under a different set of
> rules. Really sad.
Just read about the SAT cheating scandal at Landon (the school that produced George Huguely) among others. http://www.washingtonian.com/articles/people/from-the-archives-our-sons-have-something-to-say/
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> It starts much younger than College. My son, who
> has already graduated from college went to an all
> boys private school here in the DC area. In his
> freshman year he was taking a test and a kid in
> his class was caught cheating. When he told me
> the kids last name (his father is a prominent
> business man in DC) I said nothing would happen to
> him and sure enough the kid was never suspended or
> expelled (even though there is a zero tolerance
> policy). The next year another kid he knew was
> caught cheating (not a prominent name) and he was
> expelled from school. It starts young and the
> rich and entitled operate under a different set of
> rules. Really sad.
Just read about the SAT cheating scandal at Landon (the school that produced George Huguely) among others. http://www.washingtonian.com/articles/people/from-the-archives-our-sons-have-something-to-say/
Re: Culture of Rape at UVA profiled in Rolling Stone
Posted by:
UVrApe
()
Date: November 20, 2014 06:04PM
NotaUVAr Wrote:
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> They better get to singing. Here comes the cops.
>
> http://www.cavalierdaily.com/
Jeeeze it's a new scandal every week at UVA.
Rapes, murders, kidnappings.......sounds like downtown Chicago, not Charlottesville
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> They better get to singing. Here comes the cops.
>
> http://www.cavalierdaily.com/
Jeeeze it's a new scandal every week at UVA.
Rapes, murders, kidnappings.......sounds like downtown Chicago, not Charlottesville
Re: Culture of Rape at UVA profiled in Rolling Stone
Posted by:
adam smith
()
Date: November 20, 2014 06:27PM
fuck rolling stone Wrote:
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> Rolling Stone Reader Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/a-rap
>
> > e-on-campus-20141119?page=7
>
>
> The Rolling Stone is bullshit. Fuck Rolling Stone.
> They fucking suck, print bullshit stories. That
> rag "magazine" is nothing more than a hyped up
> tabloid. Die Rolling Stone, just die.
And you are a pathetic excuse for a human being. In fact, you are so pathetic that I will not waste another second describing your lack of value.
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> Rolling Stone Reader Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/a-rap
>
> > e-on-campus-20141119?page=7
>
>
> The Rolling Stone is bullshit. Fuck Rolling Stone.
> They fucking suck, print bullshit stories. That
> rag "magazine" is nothing more than a hyped up
> tabloid. Die Rolling Stone, just die.
And you are a pathetic excuse for a human being. In fact, you are so pathetic that I will not waste another second describing your lack of value.
Re: Culture of Rape at UVA profiled in Rolling Stone
Posted by:
Wahoo05
()
Date: November 20, 2014 07:49PM
Culture of rape? Bullshit. It's a few fucked up sociopaths doing revolting shit that 99% of the students oppose. These guys should spend decades in jail but since she didn't go straight to the police it's unlikely that anyone will be caught.
Re: Culture of Rape at UVA profiled in Rolling Stone
Posted by:
NotMeBrah!
()
Date: November 20, 2014 07:53PM
SingBrother Wrote:
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> First few Brothers to quickly turn CW will save
> themselves a whole lot of hurt in the near future.
> These guys will be made examples of. After Duke
> lax, no prosecutor is going to fuck this one up.
Guaranteed. Regardless of the facts, the stubborn pricks that refuse to come to terms with the fact that the consequences are coming, will have their names ruined -- guilty or not.
Sing while the mic is still in your hand.
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> First few Brothers to quickly turn CW will save
> themselves a whole lot of hurt in the near future.
> These guys will be made examples of. After Duke
> lax, no prosecutor is going to fuck this one up.
Guaranteed. Regardless of the facts, the stubborn pricks that refuse to come to terms with the fact that the consequences are coming, will have their names ruined -- guilty or not.
Sing while the mic is still in your hand.
Re: Culture of Rape at UVA profiled in Rolling Stone
Posted by:
Wahooooooo!
()
Date: November 20, 2014 08:00PM
LouieUVArmstrong Wrote:
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> CH3NO2 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > This is pretty typical of a entitled rich kid
> > school. Daddy is a lawyer or other well
> connected
> > businessman in most cases and the school
> wouldnt
> > want to jeopardize the flow of money. These
> frat
> > boys believe they are immune, and rightly so.
>
> "And I think to myself, 'what a wonderful
> woooooooooooooooooooooooorld.'"
I know, right? So sweet to be able to write this kinda shit off as a rite of passage. Not sure how you other folks handle fucking up without a trust or terribly gullible denial-ridden parents. Whew.
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> CH3NO2 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > This is pretty typical of a entitled rich kid
> > school. Daddy is a lawyer or other well
> connected
> > businessman in most cases and the school
> wouldnt
> > want to jeopardize the flow of money. These
> frat
> > boys believe they are immune, and rightly so.
>
> "And I think to myself, 'what a wonderful
> woooooooooooooooooooooooorld.'"
I know, right? So sweet to be able to write this kinda shit off as a rite of passage. Not sure how you other folks handle fucking up without a trust or terribly gullible denial-ridden parents. Whew.
Re: Culture of Rape at UVA profiled in Rolling Stone
Posted by:
jimmy
()
Date: November 21, 2014 12:00AM
What rape?
They are only undocumented sex partners.
Sex is a right!
They are only undocumented sex partners.
Sex is a right!
Re: Culture of Rape at UVA profiled in Rolling Stone
Posted by:
Al Sharpton
()
Date: November 21, 2014 12:03AM
Silly article... boys will be boys.
Re: Culture of Rape at UVA profiled in Rolling Stone
Posted by:
UVA grads suck cock
()
Date: November 21, 2014 12:31AM
At UVA they wear ties to football games. Just let that sink in for a bit.
What a shitty place.
What a shitty place.
Re: Culture of Rape at UVA profiled in Rolling Stone
Posted by:
Becky
()
Date: November 21, 2014 02:35AM
Re: Culture of Rape at UVA profiled in Rolling Stone
Posted by:
Them skool dez
()
Date: November 21, 2014 03:23AM
Alexander Smith Wrote:
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> Legitimate rape at college campuses is extremely
> low in America. What actually happens is some
> woman gets intoxicated to the point they black out
> and wake up the next morning with some frat guy
> next to them.
>
>
> That's the "rape" which is going on. It's pathetic
> journalism when they can't come up with other news
> at the time.
Appears someone has guilt they need to deal with.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Legitimate rape at college campuses is extremely
> low in America. What actually happens is some
> woman gets intoxicated to the point they black out
> and wake up the next morning with some frat guy
> next to them.
>
>
> That's the "rape" which is going on. It's pathetic
> journalism when they can't come up with other news
> at the time.
Appears someone has guilt they need to deal with.
Re: Culture of Rape at UVA profiled in Rolling Stone
Posted by:
Petri Dish of Rape
()
Date: November 21, 2014 06:05AM
There is no such thing as a culture of rape. The fact that anyone buys into this line of bullshit goes to show how stupid and hateful people can be. Anybody that uses a term like "rape culture" immediately loss any legitimacy.
Re: Culture of Rape at UVA profiled in Rolling Stone
Posted by:
different perspective
()
Date: November 21, 2014 06:20AM
Petri Dish of Rape Wrote:
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> There is no such thing as a culture of rape. The
> fact that anyone buys into this line of bullshit
> goes to show how stupid and hateful people can be.
> Anybody that uses a term like "rape culture"
> immediately loss any legitimacy.
You belong in the Petri dish of stupidity. I do not use the term "rape culture" but it hardly makes one "hateful" to use it.
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> There is no such thing as a culture of rape. The
> fact that anyone buys into this line of bullshit
> goes to show how stupid and hateful people can be.
> Anybody that uses a term like "rape culture"
> immediately loss any legitimacy.
You belong in the Petri dish of stupidity. I do not use the term "rape culture" but it hardly makes one "hateful" to use it.
Re: Culture of Rape at UVA profiled in Rolling Stone
Posted by:
They shoot too
()
Date: November 21, 2014 06:46AM
Surfing the facebook pages of some of the names that are leaking out, and the one whose name is linked in this thread above has a photo of himself shooting at something. So, he's a killer too. Not necessarily of people, but he likes to shoot things. Why am I not surprised?
Re: Culture of Rape at UVA profiled in Rolling Stone
Posted by:
question?
()
Date: November 21, 2014 10:16AM
There was a suicide of a UVA student last night. connection?
Re: Culture of Rape at UVA profiled in Rolling Stone
Posted by:
Alexander Smith
()
Date: November 21, 2014 10:36AM
1984 Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> This type of thing has been going on for a very
> long time. UVA will never clean itself up, so it's
> time for authorities to do it. Here is a
> reminder.
>
> http://www.dailyprogress.com/news/rape-victim-retu
> rns-to-uva/article_4c0255da-fe51-5205-b696-f3e20ab
> afa04.html
>
> And to dear Alexander Smith, who apperently was
> not a pre-law undergrad, "having sex" with someone
> who is too drunk to consent or blackout drunk is
> indeed "legitimate rape."
Shit happens daily. A slut drinks way too much, obviously agrees/wants to fuck some frat guy, but the next morning has no clue what happened and then cries rape.
This is completely wrong since both the guy and the girl consented, it was just the whores fault that they felt like they were "violated."
-------------------------------------------------------
> This type of thing has been going on for a very
> long time. UVA will never clean itself up, so it's
> time for authorities to do it. Here is a
> reminder.
>
> http://www.dailyprogress.com/news/rape-victim-retu
> rns-to-uva/article_4c0255da-fe51-5205-b696-f3e20ab
> afa04.html
>
> And to dear Alexander Smith, who apperently was
> not a pre-law undergrad, "having sex" with someone
> who is too drunk to consent or blackout drunk is
> indeed "legitimate rape."
Shit happens daily. A slut drinks way too much, obviously agrees/wants to fuck some frat guy, but the next morning has no clue what happened and then cries rape.
This is completely wrong since both the guy and the girl consented, it was just the whores fault that they felt like they were "violated."
Re: Culture of Rape at UVA profiled in Rolling Stone
Posted by:
my oh my
()
Date: November 21, 2014 11:24AM
Alexander Smith Wrote:
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> 1984 Wrote:
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> > This type of thing has been going on for a very
> > long time. UVA will never clean itself up, so
> it's
> > time for authorities to do it. Here is a
> > reminder.
> >
> >
> http://www.dailyprogress.com/news/rape-victim-retu
>
> >
> rns-to-uva/article_4c0255da-fe51-5205-b696-f3e20ab
>
> > afa04.html
> >
> > And to dear Alexander Smith, who apperently was
> > not a pre-law undergrad, "having sex" with
> someone
> > who is too drunk to consent or blackout drunk
> is
> > indeed "legitimate rape."
>
>
> Shit happens daily. A slut drinks way too much,
> obviously agrees/wants to fuck some frat guy, but
> the next morning has no clue what happened and
> then cries rape.
>
> This is completely wrong since both the guy and
> the girl consented, it was just the whores fault
> that they felt like they were "violated."
We have a handful of problems here. First, your tone and choice of "acerbic synonym" usage towards women is horrific. You refer to many women involved in a situation like this as a "slut," and degrade their maturity level to “girl.” Then, you make reference to a woman as a “whore,” and the man involved simply as “guy.”
Why do you hate women as much as you do? Do you realize you are a misogynist? What did women do to hurt you so much you need to treat a high percentage of women with such disdain? Do you feel you are superior to women in intellect because you are a man? From what you have written, believe me, you are not intellectually superior to a very large swath of the population.
Also, your fabricated scenario as a blanket explanation and justification does not address the main issues at hand: gang rapes, serial rapists on campuses, and campus administration cover ups. If you ever want to get out of jury duty, please bring your written words here to the court, and show it to the judge. I guarantee you will be immediately dismissed.
BTW, to help you in life, it is “campuses,” not “campi.” Just because a word has Latin roots, does mean that word must have comply with Latin word usage and variables. And, you may wish to go back to any middle school English textbook and review the usage of apostrophes.
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> 1984 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > This type of thing has been going on for a very
> > long time. UVA will never clean itself up, so
> it's
> > time for authorities to do it. Here is a
> > reminder.
> >
> >
> http://www.dailyprogress.com/news/rape-victim-retu
>
> >
> rns-to-uva/article_4c0255da-fe51-5205-b696-f3e20ab
>
> > afa04.html
> >
> > And to dear Alexander Smith, who apperently was
> > not a pre-law undergrad, "having sex" with
> someone
> > who is too drunk to consent or blackout drunk
> is
> > indeed "legitimate rape."
>
>
> Shit happens daily. A slut drinks way too much,
> obviously agrees/wants to fuck some frat guy, but
> the next morning has no clue what happened and
> then cries rape.
>
> This is completely wrong since both the guy and
> the girl consented, it was just the whores fault
> that they felt like they were "violated."
We have a handful of problems here. First, your tone and choice of "acerbic synonym" usage towards women is horrific. You refer to many women involved in a situation like this as a "slut," and degrade their maturity level to “girl.” Then, you make reference to a woman as a “whore,” and the man involved simply as “guy.”
Why do you hate women as much as you do? Do you realize you are a misogynist? What did women do to hurt you so much you need to treat a high percentage of women with such disdain? Do you feel you are superior to women in intellect because you are a man? From what you have written, believe me, you are not intellectually superior to a very large swath of the population.
Also, your fabricated scenario as a blanket explanation and justification does not address the main issues at hand: gang rapes, serial rapists on campuses, and campus administration cover ups. If you ever want to get out of jury duty, please bring your written words here to the court, and show it to the judge. I guarantee you will be immediately dismissed.
BTW, to help you in life, it is “campuses,” not “campi.” Just because a word has Latin roots, does mean that word must have comply with Latin word usage and variables. And, you may wish to go back to any middle school English textbook and review the usage of apostrophes.
Re: Culture of Rape at UVA profiled in Rolling Stone
Posted by:
jWytV
()
Date: November 21, 2014 11:47AM
I agree that blaming the victim is wrong. But one common thread I notice in all of these stories is failure of the victim to go to police. If a crime is committed against me, I will report it.
Influence from friends or school resources is not a legitimate excuse - there was a recent case of this at JMU based on an incident that happened in Florida. The school was criticized but the victim "decided against" going to police.
What gives? If there was a crime committed, why are these victims not going to police? Fear of social repercussion cannot be the excuse.
Influence from friends or school resources is not a legitimate excuse - there was a recent case of this at JMU based on an incident that happened in Florida. The school was criticized but the victim "decided against" going to police.
What gives? If there was a crime committed, why are these victims not going to police? Fear of social repercussion cannot be the excuse.
Re: Culture of Rape at UVA profiled in Rolling Stone
Posted by:
TuUMm
()
Date: November 21, 2014 11:52AM
^^^ Agreed. The issue cannot be resolved if victims are worried about their reputation than justice being served. Not bashing the victim but how else is justice supposed to be served if they don't take the first step which is to report the crime to police? That's a no-brainer.
Re: Culture of Rape at UVA profiled in Rolling Stone
Posted by:
really?
()
Date: November 21, 2014 11:53AM
jWytV Wrote:
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> I agree that blaming the victim is wrong. But one
> common thread I notice in all of these stories is
> failure of the victim to go to police. If a crime
> is committed against me, I will report it.
>
> Influence from friends or school resources is not
> a legitimate excuse - there was a recent case of
> this at JMU based on an incident that happened in
> Florida. The school was criticized but the victim
> "decided against" going to police.
>
> What gives? If there was a crime committed, why
> are these victims not going to police? Fear of
> social repercussion cannot be the excuse.
Are you as dim as your post suggests? Why do kidnap victims "allow" themselves to fall victim to Stockholm Syndrome? Why do women "allow" themselves to fall victim to "battered spouse" syndrome. Why do posters not do some reading and thinking before posting?
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> I agree that blaming the victim is wrong. But one
> common thread I notice in all of these stories is
> failure of the victim to go to police. If a crime
> is committed against me, I will report it.
>
> Influence from friends or school resources is not
> a legitimate excuse - there was a recent case of
> this at JMU based on an incident that happened in
> Florida. The school was criticized but the victim
> "decided against" going to police.
>
> What gives? If there was a crime committed, why
> are these victims not going to police? Fear of
> social repercussion cannot be the excuse.
Are you as dim as your post suggests? Why do kidnap victims "allow" themselves to fall victim to Stockholm Syndrome? Why do women "allow" themselves to fall victim to "battered spouse" syndrome. Why do posters not do some reading and thinking before posting?
Re: Culture of Rape at UVA profiled in Rolling Stone
Posted by:
SSDD
()
Date: November 21, 2014 11:53AM
jWytV Wrote:
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>
> What gives? If there was a crime committed, why
> are these victims not going to police?
Because once they start getting peppered with questions like, "well, what were you wearing?" and "were you flirting at all?" they know where things are heading. Yep, you were definitely hoping for a surprise gang-bang, with bonus bottle-fucks and beatings!
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>
> What gives? If there was a crime committed, why
> are these victims not going to police?
Because once they start getting peppered with questions like, "well, what were you wearing?" and "were you flirting at all?" they know where things are heading. Yep, you were definitely hoping for a surprise gang-bang, with bonus bottle-fucks and beatings!
Re: Culture of Rape at UVA profiled in Rolling Stone
Posted by:
EGwtj
()
Date: November 21, 2014 11:58AM
The first step in solving this issue is actually reporting the crime. Everyone's all about not blaming the victim, but there's not much to be done when they are not willing to help themselves. I mean, is there an argument against that? Isn't it everyone's duty to protect themselves? I agree it's awful and undeserved that hte incident happened in the first place, but not reporting a crime IS the fault of the victim.
Re: Culture of Rape at UVA profiled in Rolling Stone
Posted by:
KJHj9
()
Date: November 21, 2014 12:00PM
really? Wrote:
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> jWytV Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I agree that blaming the victim is wrong. But
> one
> > common thread I notice in all of these stories
> is
> > failure of the victim to go to police. If a
> crime
> > is committed against me, I will report it.
> >
> > Influence from friends or school resources is
> not
> > a legitimate excuse - there was a recent case
> of
> > this at JMU based on an incident that happened
> in
> > Florida. The school was criticized but the
> victim
> > "decided against" going to police.
> >
> > What gives? If there was a crime committed, why
> > are these victims not going to police? Fear of
> > social repercussion cannot be the excuse.
>
> Are you as dim as your post suggests? Why do
> kidnap victims "allow" themselves to fall victim
> to Stockholm Syndrome? Why do women "allow"
> themselves to fall victim to "battered spouse"
> syndrome. Why do posters not do some reading and
> thinking before posting?
Well then answer the fucking question. What is to be done if they aren't willing to go to police?
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> jWytV Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I agree that blaming the victim is wrong. But
> one
> > common thread I notice in all of these stories
> is
> > failure of the victim to go to police. If a
> crime
> > is committed against me, I will report it.
> >
> > Influence from friends or school resources is
> not
> > a legitimate excuse - there was a recent case
> of
> > this at JMU based on an incident that happened
> in
> > Florida. The school was criticized but the
> victim
> > "decided against" going to police.
> >
> > What gives? If there was a crime committed, why
> > are these victims not going to police? Fear of
> > social repercussion cannot be the excuse.
>
> Are you as dim as your post suggests? Why do
> kidnap victims "allow" themselves to fall victim
> to Stockholm Syndrome? Why do women "allow"
> themselves to fall victim to "battered spouse"
> syndrome. Why do posters not do some reading and
> thinking before posting?
Well then answer the fucking question. What is to be done if they aren't willing to go to police?
Re: Culture of Rape at UVA profiled in Rolling Stone
Posted by:
DnhxE
()
Date: November 21, 2014 12:02PM
SSDD Wrote:
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> jWytV Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> >
> > What gives? If there was a crime committed, why
> > are these victims not going to police?
>
>
> Because once they start getting peppered with
> questions like, "well, what were you wearing?" and
> "were you flirting at all?" they know where things
> are heading. Yep, you were definitely hoping for
> a surprise gang-bang, with bonus bottle-fucks and
> beatings!
What?? Just like the other alarmist posters, you point fingers at the issue and provide no potential solution. What is to be done when the victim fails to report the crime?
If my store is robbed and I don't report it to police, they'll never find who did it. Basic logic, stop trying to expand into intangibles. If every police department was against the victim as you suggest in your post, why are all of these miserable fucks in jail for rape??
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> jWytV Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> >
> > What gives? If there was a crime committed, why
> > are these victims not going to police?
>
>
> Because once they start getting peppered with
> questions like, "well, what were you wearing?" and
> "were you flirting at all?" they know where things
> are heading. Yep, you were definitely hoping for
> a surprise gang-bang, with bonus bottle-fucks and
> beatings!
What?? Just like the other alarmist posters, you point fingers at the issue and provide no potential solution. What is to be done when the victim fails to report the crime?
If my store is robbed and I don't report it to police, they'll never find who did it. Basic logic, stop trying to expand into intangibles. If every police department was against the victim as you suggest in your post, why are all of these miserable fucks in jail for rape??
Re: Culture of Rape at UVA profiled in Rolling Stone
Posted by:
Clarissa says
()
Date: November 21, 2014 12:04PM
jWytV Wrote:
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> I agree that blaming the victim is wrong. But one
> common thread I notice in all of these stories is
> failure of the victim to go to police. If a crime
> is committed against me, I will report it.
>
> Influence from friends or school resources is not
> a legitimate excuse - there was a recent case of
> this at JMU based on an incident that happened in
> Florida. The school was criticized but the victim
> "decided against" going to police.
>
> What gives? If there was a crime committed, why
> are these victims not going to police? Fear of
> social repercussion cannot be the excuse.
Half of all rapes are never reported to the police. It is a problem that cannot easily be fixed.
Read what the Supreme Court in India wrote” “Rape reduces a woman to an animal, as it shakes the very core of her life. By no means can a rape victim be called an accomplice. Rape leaves a permanent scar on the life of the victim, and therefore a rape victim is placed on a higher pedestal than an injured witness. Rape is a crime against the entire society and violates the human rights of the victim.”
The pain, and physical/emotional scars are too big for many women to keep in the forefront though a lengthy legal process. It is one of the worst crime to commit against someone else this side of murder, and victims want to heal. Being a witness/victim of rape in court means re-living that crime, in many women's eyes. Unfortunately, they are right.
Also, if a school administrator tells you the local police do not have jurisdiction over the frat houses, then there is another reason.
The President of UVA has not been seen on the grounds since this article went live. Her office has no idea when she will be returning.
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> I agree that blaming the victim is wrong. But one
> common thread I notice in all of these stories is
> failure of the victim to go to police. If a crime
> is committed against me, I will report it.
>
> Influence from friends or school resources is not
> a legitimate excuse - there was a recent case of
> this at JMU based on an incident that happened in
> Florida. The school was criticized but the victim
> "decided against" going to police.
>
> What gives? If there was a crime committed, why
> are these victims not going to police? Fear of
> social repercussion cannot be the excuse.
Half of all rapes are never reported to the police. It is a problem that cannot easily be fixed.
Read what the Supreme Court in India wrote” “Rape reduces a woman to an animal, as it shakes the very core of her life. By no means can a rape victim be called an accomplice. Rape leaves a permanent scar on the life of the victim, and therefore a rape victim is placed on a higher pedestal than an injured witness. Rape is a crime against the entire society and violates the human rights of the victim.”
The pain, and physical/emotional scars are too big for many women to keep in the forefront though a lengthy legal process. It is one of the worst crime to commit against someone else this side of murder, and victims want to heal. Being a witness/victim of rape in court means re-living that crime, in many women's eyes. Unfortunately, they are right.
Also, if a school administrator tells you the local police do not have jurisdiction over the frat houses, then there is another reason.
The President of UVA has not been seen on the grounds since this article went live. Her office has no idea when she will be returning.
Re: Culture of Rape at UVA profiled in Rolling Stone
Posted by:
UVABrahs
()
Date: November 21, 2014 12:07PM
. . . and while everyone acts astounded or keeps debating the report/no report issue, we're gonna skate. Only a few more weeks till X-mas break! I'm going to Hawaii.
Re: Culture of Rape at UVA profiled in Rolling Stone
Posted by:
vDymT
()
Date: November 21, 2014 12:08PM
> >
> > Are you as dim as your post suggests? Why do
> > kidnap victims "allow" themselves to fall
> victim
> > to Stockholm Syndrome? Why do women "allow"
> > themselves to fall victim to "battered spouse"
> > syndrome. Why do posters not do some reading
> and
> > thinking before posting?
Confused at your argument here. Stockholm syndrome and battered spouses - the only way out is to report the crime. I think his point is that issues don't fix themselves, and while the bad treatment or incident is undeserved, it requires action to be resolved.
> > Are you as dim as your post suggests? Why do
> > kidnap victims "allow" themselves to fall
> victim
> > to Stockholm Syndrome? Why do women "allow"
> > themselves to fall victim to "battered spouse"
> > syndrome. Why do posters not do some reading
> and
> > thinking before posting?
Confused at your argument here. Stockholm syndrome and battered spouses - the only way out is to report the crime. I think his point is that issues don't fix themselves, and while the bad treatment or incident is undeserved, it requires action to be resolved.
Re: Culture of Rape at UVA profiled in Rolling Stone
Posted by:
Ppbew
()
Date: November 21, 2014 12:11PM
Clarissa says Wrote:
> Also, if a school administrator tells you the
> local police do not have jurisdiction over the
> frat houses, then there is another reason.
>
> The President of UVA has not been seen on the
> grounds since this article went live. Her office
> has no idea when she will be returning.
Why would local/state police not have jurisdiction over a college student? You're a UVA frat boy not a diplomat. If that statement is true, that administrator should be exposed and fired. What was his/her name?
> Also, if a school administrator tells you the
> local police do not have jurisdiction over the
> frat houses, then there is another reason.
>
> The President of UVA has not been seen on the
> grounds since this article went live. Her office
> has no idea when she will be returning.
Why would local/state police not have jurisdiction over a college student? You're a UVA frat boy not a diplomat. If that statement is true, that administrator should be exposed and fired. What was his/her name?
Re: Culture of Rape at UVA profiled in Rolling Stone
Posted by:
k7DMd
()
Date: November 21, 2014 12:14PM
Clarissa says Wrote:
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> Read what the Supreme Court in India wrote”
> “Rape reduces a woman to an animal, as it shakes
> the very core of her life. By no means can a rape
> victim be called an accomplice. Rape leaves a
> permanent scar on the life of the victim, and
> therefore a rape victim is placed on a higher
> pedestal than an injured witness. Rape is a crime
> against the entire society and violates the human
> rights of the victim.”
>
> The pain, and physical/emotional scars are too
> big for many women to keep in the forefront though
> a lengthy legal process. It is one of the worst
> crime to commit against someone else this side of
> murder, and victims want to heal. Being a
> witness/victim of rape in court means re-living
> that crime, in many women's eyes. Unfortunately,
> they are right.
Understood. I can't imagine how awful that would be. But if a victim is too stressed to bring the issue to authorities, WHAT SOLUTION ARE YOU PROPOSING!?!?!
That's the frustrating part of this argument - it's become so focused on not blaming the victim that there is no effort towards actually getting the perpetrator behind bars. Stop analyzing why the victim doesn't want to speak and find a process to prosecute!
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> Read what the Supreme Court in India wrote”
> “Rape reduces a woman to an animal, as it shakes
> the very core of her life. By no means can a rape
> victim be called an accomplice. Rape leaves a
> permanent scar on the life of the victim, and
> therefore a rape victim is placed on a higher
> pedestal than an injured witness. Rape is a crime
> against the entire society and violates the human
> rights of the victim.”
>
> The pain, and physical/emotional scars are too
> big for many women to keep in the forefront though
> a lengthy legal process. It is one of the worst
> crime to commit against someone else this side of
> murder, and victims want to heal. Being a
> witness/victim of rape in court means re-living
> that crime, in many women's eyes. Unfortunately,
> they are right.
Understood. I can't imagine how awful that would be. But if a victim is too stressed to bring the issue to authorities, WHAT SOLUTION ARE YOU PROPOSING!?!?!
That's the frustrating part of this argument - it's become so focused on not blaming the victim that there is no effort towards actually getting the perpetrator behind bars. Stop analyzing why the victim doesn't want to speak and find a process to prosecute!
Re: Culture of Rape at UVA profiled in Rolling Stone
Posted by:
jJtEW
()
Date: November 21, 2014 12:21PM
That's why this has been such a historical issue. We are humans living on earth and in order for things to happen, we need to communicate. The emotional stress of a trial is brutal but there is no way to currently prosecute without it. There is no easy answer, the situation will always exist.
It seems the only efforts against it should be aimed at helping victims bringing the issue to authorities. It sounds like a cold-hearted approach, but I am asking, is there any other way to solve this issue?
It seems the only efforts against it should be aimed at helping victims bringing the issue to authorities. It sounds like a cold-hearted approach, but I am asking, is there any other way to solve this issue?
Re: Culture of Rape at UVA profiled in Rolling Stone
Posted by:
cPGKn
()
Date: November 21, 2014 01:15PM
...I didn't think so. Now all of you that got all fired up at me asking these questions, I challenge you to focus your efforts not on why victims feel the way they do, but a way that prosecution of offenders can be done more effectively with less impact on the victim.
Re: Culture of Rape at UVA profiled in Rolling Stone
Posted by:
WPDh6
()
Date: November 21, 2014 01:25PM
One specific line of thinking is weighing the options. Is it more painful to stand trial or to know that the offender is free, possibly continuing to act against other victims?
Re: Culture of Rape at UVA profiled in Rolling Stone
Posted by:
6dPmV
()
Date: November 21, 2014 02:06PM
Clarissa says Wrote:
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> Also, if a school administrator tells you the
> local police do not have jurisdiction over the
> frat houses, then there is another reason.
That was the case that occurred 30 years ago. If you read the article, you'll see that Dean Nicole Eramo presented Jackie with options to press charges but she opted not to.
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> Also, if a school administrator tells you the
> local police do not have jurisdiction over the
> frat houses, then there is another reason.
That was the case that occurred 30 years ago. If you read the article, you'll see that Dean Nicole Eramo presented Jackie with options to press charges but she opted not to.
Re: Culture of Rape at UVA profiled in Rolling Stone
Posted by:
L6DeD
()
Date: November 21, 2014 02:12PM
Her "friends" should be exposed too. Saying they wouldn't be able to go to a frat party for the next four years and telling the victim to ask where her loyalties lie?
All while she's apparently bloody, beaten and raped? Who the fuck are these people? Something doesn't line up.
All while she's apparently bloody, beaten and raped? Who the fuck are these people? Something doesn't line up.
Re: Culture of Rape at UVA profiled in Rolling Stone
Posted by:
PNcUD
()
Date: November 21, 2014 02:57PM
Go straight to the police, it's easy as that. I'm sorry that the trial brings up bad memories, it's simply the only way to serve justice and make sure it doesn't happen again.
Re: Culture of Rape at UVA profiled in Rolling Stone
Posted by:
Jack26
()
Date: November 21, 2014 03:52PM
As I understand it from my time as a student there, the jurisdictional line between county and city runs through the middle of the neighborhood where the fraternity houses are, therefore CPD (city police) only had jurisdiction over some of the frats, while the county had it over some of the other.
So some stupid admin may have said that CPD did not have jurisdiction. Whether out of ignorance of actively trying to misdirect the person, I don't know.
So some stupid admin may have said that CPD did not have jurisdiction. Whether out of ignorance of actively trying to misdirect the person, I don't know.
Re: Culture of Rape at UVA profiled in Rolling Stone
Posted by:
tY7GT
()
Date: November 21, 2014 04:11PM
Either way, insisting the victim is given a choice and not encouraged to go to police leaves rapists on the streets. Rape is as serious or more serious than many other crimes. For those crimes, victims go straight to police. Sending the message that they shouldn't go directly to police is just wrong.
Re: Culture of Rape at UVA profiled in Rolling Stone
Posted by:
Don'tRapeMeBro!
()
Date: November 21, 2014 07:57PM
tY7GT Wrote:
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> Either way, insisting the victim is given a choice
> and not encouraged to go to police leaves rapists
> on the streets. Rape is as serious or more
> serious than many other crimes. For those crimes,
> victims go straight to police. Sending the
> message that they shouldn't go directly to police
> is just wrong.
Not from the perspective of a frat-tastic Bro like me.
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> Either way, insisting the victim is given a choice
> and not encouraged to go to police leaves rapists
> on the streets. Rape is as serious or more
> serious than many other crimes. For those crimes,
> victims go straight to police. Sending the
> message that they shouldn't go directly to police
> is just wrong.
Not from the perspective of a frat-tastic Bro like me.
Re: Culture of Rape at UVA profiled in Rolling Stone
Posted by:
Cdbtj
()
Date: November 21, 2014 08:46PM
Ppbew Wrote:
> Why would local/state police not have jurisdiction
> over a college student? You're a UVA frat boy not
> a diplomat. If that statement is true, that
> administrator should be exposed and fired. What
> was his/her name?
Campus Police are usually a bit of amateurs at the end of the day at most Colleges.
If Charlottesville Police Chief Timothy Longo gets his teeth into this mess, everybody better hold on as he is a no BS guy, which is a good thing. Fortunately or unfortunately Charlottesville has been changed forever because of all of the events over the past 6-7 years.
I do not care who your dad is, how rich you are, assault and murder are wrong, students and residents need to understand this and suffer the consequences of their actions.
If this had happened to my daughter, the perps should be lucky to only have to deal with Chief Longo and the CPD.
> Why would local/state police not have jurisdiction
> over a college student? You're a UVA frat boy not
> a diplomat. If that statement is true, that
> administrator should be exposed and fired. What
> was his/her name?
Campus Police are usually a bit of amateurs at the end of the day at most Colleges.
If Charlottesville Police Chief Timothy Longo gets his teeth into this mess, everybody better hold on as he is a no BS guy, which is a good thing. Fortunately or unfortunately Charlottesville has been changed forever because of all of the events over the past 6-7 years.
I do not care who your dad is, how rich you are, assault and murder are wrong, students and residents need to understand this and suffer the consequences of their actions.
If this had happened to my daughter, the perps should be lucky to only have to deal with Chief Longo and the CPD.
Re: Culture of Rape at UVA profiled in Rolling Stone
Posted by:
UVAfags
()
Date: November 21, 2014 10:01PM
They wear ties to football games. I doubt those fags are interested in women.
Re: Culture of Rape at UVA profiled in Rolling Stone
Posted by:
BowtieD-Bag, Croakies too!
()
Date: November 21, 2014 11:07PM
UVAfags Wrote:
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> They wear ties to football games. I doubt those
> fags are interested in women.
Well then, I guess you've never witnessed the epic gang-rape sessions at Phi Kappa Psi. Then you'd know their "interest in women" rises to a pretty tragic level.
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> They wear ties to football games. I doubt those
> fags are interested in women.
Well then, I guess you've never witnessed the epic gang-rape sessions at Phi Kappa Psi. Then you'd know their "interest in women" rises to a pretty tragic level.
Re: Culture of Rape at UVA profiled in Rolling Stone
Posted by:
Tyy3v
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Date: November 22, 2014 06:45AM
There is no way to prosecute a rape without making the victim relive the details. That is why it's so difficult for survivors to bring charges. It takes incredible strength. Imagine being stabbed in the heart, and then, while you are trying to heal, everyone tells you that you need to report it to police, but in doing so, you will basically be stabbed in the heart again, this time in a courtroom in front of a judge and jury and defense lawyers who grill you and insist you actually like being stabbed in the heart.
Re: Culture of Rape at UVA profiled in Rolling Stone
Posted by:
Rape what you sow
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Date: November 22, 2014 08:23AM
I used to date a chick that said she fantasized about being raped. Apparently its not all that uncommon. Is that what rape culture is?
Re: Culture of Rape at UVA profiled in Rolling Stone
Posted by:
UVAsuks
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Date: November 22, 2014 08:24AM
Everyone at UVA touts Thomas Jefferson--every conversation is about what Jefferson would do, his values, his morals.... Well you see it in the culture...Jefferson kept slaves and likely raped them as he had multiple children w/ slaves...so these frat boys think they are carrying on that Jeffersonian tradition.
Time to get a new tradition. Sick of my tax dollars supporting an elitist school for rich idiots. The most admired kids on campus are those who party 24/7 and get A's?? What about the kids who work hard? Oh, not so many of those b/c regular kids can't get into UVA. CHANGE THE CULTURE NOW! VA RESIDENTS HAVE HAD ENOUGH of the bad press...girls kidnapped and killed, lacrosse player killing his girlfriend and now this?? Really enough is enough!
Time to get a new tradition. Sick of my tax dollars supporting an elitist school for rich idiots. The most admired kids on campus are those who party 24/7 and get A's?? What about the kids who work hard? Oh, not so many of those b/c regular kids can't get into UVA. CHANGE THE CULTURE NOW! VA RESIDENTS HAVE HAD ENOUGH of the bad press...girls kidnapped and killed, lacrosse player killing his girlfriend and now this?? Really enough is enough!
Re: Culture of Rape at UVA profiled in Rolling Stone
Posted by:
Jill
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Date: November 22, 2014 08:29AM
Rape What You Sow wrote:
"I used to date a chick that said she fantasized about being raped. Apparently its not all that uncommon. Is that what rape culture is?"
No, that's not what rape culture is.
Rape culture is what society does that excuses and enables rape.
One example might be a university hearing about a horrific gang rape that took place on its grounds and not taking steps to ensure that something similar does not happen again -- pretty much not doing anything until a prominent magazine writes an article about it.
Another example would be people responding to reports of rape with a reflexive "She's lying. It just didn't turn out the way she wanted it to, so she's crying rape."
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/22/2014 08:33AM by Jill.
"I used to date a chick that said she fantasized about being raped. Apparently its not all that uncommon. Is that what rape culture is?"
No, that's not what rape culture is.
Rape culture is what society does that excuses and enables rape.
One example might be a university hearing about a horrific gang rape that took place on its grounds and not taking steps to ensure that something similar does not happen again -- pretty much not doing anything until a prominent magazine writes an article about it.
Another example would be people responding to reports of rape with a reflexive "She's lying. It just didn't turn out the way she wanted it to, so she's crying rape."
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/22/2014 08:33AM by Jill.
Re: Culture of Rape at UVA profiled in Rolling Stone
Posted by:
Bob Hatchet
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Date: November 22, 2014 09:17AM
Stories like this are written from a very one-sided perspective. How is the guy going to get his day in court if the "victim" never goes to the police. Fact - many reports of rape prove false, but the guy's reputation is ruined. Not saying this is the case in this situation, but we have a legal system for a reason.
Re: Culture of Rape at UVA profiled in Rolling Stone
Posted by:
put your money where ...
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Date: November 22, 2014 10:22AM
Bob Hatchet Wrote:
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> Stories like this are written from a very
> one-sided perspective. How is the guy going to
> get his day in court if the "victim" never goes to
> the police. Fact - many reports of rape prove
> false, but the guy's reputation is ruined. Not
> saying this is the case in this situation, but we
> have a legal system for a reason.
He can sue her for defamation. In fact, why don't you try that next time you are accused?
The number of rape reports that turn out to false absolutely pales in comparison to the number of rapes that are not reported.
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> Stories like this are written from a very
> one-sided perspective. How is the guy going to
> get his day in court if the "victim" never goes to
> the police. Fact - many reports of rape prove
> false, but the guy's reputation is ruined. Not
> saying this is the case in this situation, but we
> have a legal system for a reason.
He can sue her for defamation. In fact, why don't you try that next time you are accused?
The number of rape reports that turn out to false absolutely pales in comparison to the number of rapes that are not reported.
Re: Culture of Rape at UVA profiled in Rolling Stone
Posted by:
Not Bob Hatchet
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Date: November 22, 2014 10:26AM
Bob Hatchet, plese provide a verifiable source and data to support your claim that "many reports of rape prove false."
As an aside, the person who posted that Phi Psi "did not have a party" on September 28, 2012 is lying. A Phi Psi member confirmed for me that there was indeed a fraternity "date function," to which the victim was invited, and that official date function "turned into a party" later in the evening. I'm told all such official "date functions" require some sort of registration, which I presume the authorities will subpeona. If the frat has destroyed that record, we can add the charges of destruction of evidence and obstruction of justice to the ever growing list of crimes.
As an aside, the person who posted that Phi Psi "did not have a party" on September 28, 2012 is lying. A Phi Psi member confirmed for me that there was indeed a fraternity "date function," to which the victim was invited, and that official date function "turned into a party" later in the evening. I'm told all such official "date functions" require some sort of registration, which I presume the authorities will subpeona. If the frat has destroyed that record, we can add the charges of destruction of evidence and obstruction of justice to the ever growing list of crimes.
Re: Culture of Rape at UVA profiled in Rolling Stone
Posted by:
WYveP
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Date: November 22, 2014 10:29AM
A bunch of 18-20 year old males, too much alcohol, no sane "adult" supervision even though these guts are considered "adults" depending on your point of view, 17-19 year old girls, late at nigh, dark rooms.
Yea these young ladies have nothing to worry about, these boys are 100% respectful and will treat these ladies with full respect like they were their own sisters or cousins (well at least not if you are in/from WV).
We all have to agree there is no non-consensual sexual contact, sexual assaults or rapes that ever happen on any college campus.
I guess you believe in the Easter Bunny, Tooth Fairy and that taxes will never be raised.
Yea these young ladies have nothing to worry about, these boys are 100% respectful and will treat these ladies with full respect like they were their own sisters or cousins (well at least not if you are in/from WV).
We all have to agree there is no non-consensual sexual contact, sexual assaults or rapes that ever happen on any college campus.
I guess you believe in the Easter Bunny, Tooth Fairy and that taxes will never be raised.
Re: Culture of Rape at UVA profiled in Rolling Stone
Posted by:
more perspectives
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Date: November 22, 2014 10:31AM
The responses to the Rolling Stone article demonstrate just how prevalent the problem is at UVa. http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/rape-at-uva-readers-say-jackie-wasnt-alone-20141121#ixzz3Jmd1uuzf
Re: Culture of Rape at UVA profiled in Rolling Stone
Posted by:
truer than true
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Date: November 22, 2014 10:35AM
wife said stop and no at least 20 maybe 40 times this morning but I got what I wanted
Re: Culture of Rape at UVA profiled in Rolling Stone
Posted by:
justiceUVA
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Date: November 22, 2014 04:19PM
Two petitions worth signing to suspend Phi Kappa Psi at UVA and help reform University administrative protocol regarding sexual assaults:
https://www.change.org/p/teresa-sullivan-suspend-phi-kappa-psi-at-uva-permanently
https://www.change.org/p/the-president-and-board-of-visitors-of-the-university-of-virginia-end-the-culture-of-rape-at-uva
https://www.change.org/p/teresa-sullivan-suspend-phi-kappa-psi-at-uva-permanently
https://www.change.org/p/the-president-and-board-of-visitors-of-the-university-of-virginia-end-the-culture-of-rape-at-uva
Re: Culture of Rape at UVA profiled in Rolling Stone
Posted by:
she must be a loser too
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Date: November 22, 2014 04:49PM
truer than true Wrote:
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> wife said stop and no at least 20 maybe 40 times
> this morning but I got what I wanted
What was it that you wanted? A lollypop? A tummy rub?
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> wife said stop and no at least 20 maybe 40 times
> this morning but I got what I wanted
What was it that you wanted? A lollypop? A tummy rub?
Re: Culture of Rape at UVA profiled in Rolling Stone
Posted by:
Ass Raping
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Date: November 22, 2014 04:58PM
Killing two birds with one stone: Redskins are being ass raped again this season. I am going to sign the petition to end the culture of raping DC sports teams.
PLEASE STOP RAPING MY FAVORITE FOOTBALL TEAM!
PLEASE STOP RAPING MY FAVORITE FOOTBALL TEAM!
Re: Culture of Rape at UVA profiled in Rolling Stone
Posted by:
Circling the wagons
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Date: November 22, 2014 11:45PM
cache Wrote:
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> lists 2012 pledges:
> http://www3.alumni.virginia.edu/multimedia/aig/phi
> psi/PhiPsi_Spring12.pdf
I can't get the link to open. Was it removed from website?
I saw it a few days ago and there were nova kids listed from McLean and Langley.
Drew was a junior. Do we assume the rest were pledges?
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> lists 2012 pledges:
> http://www3.alumni.virginia.edu/multimedia/aig/phi
> psi/PhiPsi_Spring12.pdf
I can't get the link to open. Was it removed from website?
I saw it a few days ago and there were nova kids listed from McLean and Langley.
Drew was a junior. Do we assume the rest were pledges?
Re: Culture of Rape at UVA profiled in Rolling Stone
Posted by:
ieieie
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Date: November 23, 2014 12:15AM
put your money where ... Wrote:
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>
> The number of rape reports that turn out to false
> absolutely pales in comparison to the number of
> rapes that are not reported.
Of course, that is absolutely impossible to know...that is, the "number of rapes that are not reported".
So, to compare ANY number to that unknown is fallacious.
There are indeed high-profile false reports..."Duke" comes to my mind as one of the more high profile ones.
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>
> The number of rape reports that turn out to false
> absolutely pales in comparison to the number of
> rapes that are not reported.
Of course, that is absolutely impossible to know...that is, the "number of rapes that are not reported".
So, to compare ANY number to that unknown is fallacious.
There are indeed high-profile false reports..."Duke" comes to my mind as one of the more high profile ones.
Re: Culture of Rape at UVA profiled in Rolling Stone
Posted by:
my peehole hurts
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Date: November 23, 2014 03:02AM
I just shot a load and when the jizz shot out my peehole it really hurt but yet felt so good. Should I be worried?
Re: Culture of Rape at UVA profiled in Rolling Stone
Posted by:
survey methodology 101
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Date: November 23, 2014 06:02AM
ieieie Wrote:
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> put your money where ... Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > The number of rape reports that turn out to
> false
> > absolutely pales in comparison to the number of
> > rapes that are not reported.
>
>
> Of course, that is absolutely impossible to
> know...that is, the "number of rapes that are not
> reported".
>
> So, to compare ANY number to that unknown is
> fallacious.
>
> There are indeed high-profile false
> reports..."Duke" comes to my mind as one of the
> more high profile ones.
Fallacious? A well-constructed and well-run survey can give useful information. After all, answering a survey is less traumatic that filing a report. (Yes, there can be bad surveys but there are also good ones.)
You have fallen prey to the man-bites-dog fallacy. The dog-bites-man stories are not newsworthy.
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> put your money where ... Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > The number of rape reports that turn out to
> false
> > absolutely pales in comparison to the number of
> > rapes that are not reported.
>
>
> Of course, that is absolutely impossible to
> know...that is, the "number of rapes that are not
> reported".
>
> So, to compare ANY number to that unknown is
> fallacious.
>
> There are indeed high-profile false
> reports..."Duke" comes to my mind as one of the
> more high profile ones.
Fallacious? A well-constructed and well-run survey can give useful information. After all, answering a survey is less traumatic that filing a report. (Yes, there can be bad surveys but there are also good ones.)
You have fallen prey to the man-bites-dog fallacy. The dog-bites-man stories are not newsworthy.
Re: Culture of Rape at UVA profiled in Rolling Stone
Posted by:
ht7mn
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Date: November 23, 2014 08:06AM
I think the pledge list is gone. PhiPsi also deleted their website of everything except their home page.
Re: Culture of Rape at UVA profiled in Rolling Stone
Posted by:
Bill Clinton
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Date: November 23, 2014 08:34AM
You know she wanted it. I'd say about 95% of all reported rapes are false claims. And I'm living proof that America loves rapists!
Re: Culture of Rape at UVA profiled in Rolling Stone
Posted by:
That's racist
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Date: November 23, 2014 08:38AM
So let me get this straight. If I stereotype blacks as rapists because most rapists are black, then I'm a racist. But if I stereotype all frat boys as rapist because of one crime, I'm an enlightened, evolved liberal? Wha wha what?
Re: Culture of Rape at UVA profiled in Rolling Stone
Posted by:
Bill Cosby
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Date: November 23, 2014 08:45AM
She's lying! Ain't no rape happening!
Re: Culture of Rape at UVA profiled in Rolling Stone
Posted by:
Roman Polanski
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Date: November 23, 2014 08:46AM
Don't worry boys, Hollywood got your back as long as you're very liberal.
Re: Culture of Rape at UVA profiled in Rolling Stone
Posted by:
Ted Kennedy
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Date: November 23, 2014 09:24AM
When I was at UVA, I'd have just driven the girl off a bridge like my father taught me.
Re: Culture of Rape at UVA profiled in Rolling Stone
Posted by:
Thomas Jefferson
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Date: November 23, 2014 09:26AM
I created this proud tradition while raping my slave women, and I'm still treated like a god. Why shouldn't others do the same?
Re: Culture of Rape at UVA profiled in Rolling Stone
Posted by:
yourmom
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Date: November 23, 2014 09:27AM
Becky Wrote:
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> https://sites.google.com/site/brugebrothersswimmin
> g/meet-the-staff/chris-pivik
Is this one of the guys?
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> https://sites.google.com/site/brugebrothersswimmin
> g/meet-the-staff/chris-pivik
Is this one of the guys?
Re: Culture of Rape at UVA profiled in Rolling Stone
Posted by:
WhoKnows
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Date: November 23, 2014 10:00AM
This guy was rush chairman at Phi Psi around that time:
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/dylan-rosser/35/479/378
Also, here's a Google cache of the 2010 and 2012 newsletters:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:www3.alumni.virginia.edu/multimedia/aig/phipsi/PhiPsi_Spring10.pdf&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:alumni.virginia.edu/multimedia/aig/phipsi/PhiPsi_Spring12.pdf&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en
The latter lists the 2012 rush class.
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/dylan-rosser/35/479/378
Also, here's a Google cache of the 2010 and 2012 newsletters:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:www3.alumni.virginia.edu/multimedia/aig/phipsi/PhiPsi_Spring10.pdf&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:alumni.virginia.edu/multimedia/aig/phipsi/PhiPsi_Spring12.pdf&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en
The latter lists the 2012 rush class.
Re: Culture of Rape at UVA profiled in Rolling Stone
Posted by:
Phi Psi traditions
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Date: November 23, 2014 10:36AM
Two rumors I heard - one is that the Phi Psi tradition is that if a pledge had an older brother in the frat, he must rape. There were five pledges the spring after the gang rape who were younger brothers of members. The other rumor was that the Phi Psi tradition is that if a potential pledge is not from Virginia, he must rape. Note that there were exactly seven pledges that year not from Virginia, and the victim reports having been raped by seven men. The story doesn't say whether "Drew," they guy who brought her there, was one of the rapists or not, or at least that wasn't clear to me.
Re: Culture of Rape at UVA profiled in Rolling Stone
Posted by:
Dylan Rosser is a shithead
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Date: November 23, 2014 10:41AM
Re: Culture of Rape at UVA profiled in Rolling Stone
Posted by:
Alexander Smith
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Date: November 23, 2014 10:42AM
really? Wrote:
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> jWytV Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I agree that blaming the victim is wrong. But
> one
> > common thread I notice in all of these stories
> is
> > failure of the victim to go to police. If a
> crime
> > is committed against me, I will report it.
> >
> > Influence from friends or school resources is
> not
> > a legitimate excuse - there was a recent case
> of
> > this at JMU based on an incident that happened
> in
> > Florida. The school was criticized but the
> victim
> > "decided against" going to police.
> >
> > What gives? If there was a crime committed, why
> > are these victims not going to police? Fear of
> > social repercussion cannot be the excuse.
>
> Are you as dim as your post suggests? Why do
> kidnap victims "allow" themselves to fall victim
> to Stockholm Syndrome? Why do women "allow"
> themselves to fall victim to "battered spouse"
> syndrome. Why do posters not do some reading and
> thinking before posting?
Is this all from the same person who has replied to my posts standing up for the women who accuse men of rape?
I think someone is trolling. No way would someone be accountable for something that did not happen!
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> jWytV Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I agree that blaming the victim is wrong. But
> one
> > common thread I notice in all of these stories
> is
> > failure of the victim to go to police. If a
> crime
> > is committed against me, I will report it.
> >
> > Influence from friends or school resources is
> not
> > a legitimate excuse - there was a recent case
> of
> > this at JMU based on an incident that happened
> in
> > Florida. The school was criticized but the
> victim
> > "decided against" going to police.
> >
> > What gives? If there was a crime committed, why
> > are these victims not going to police? Fear of
> > social repercussion cannot be the excuse.
>
> Are you as dim as your post suggests? Why do
> kidnap victims "allow" themselves to fall victim
> to Stockholm Syndrome? Why do women "allow"
> themselves to fall victim to "battered spouse"
> syndrome. Why do posters not do some reading and
> thinking before posting?
Is this all from the same person who has replied to my posts standing up for the women who accuse men of rape?
I think someone is trolling. No way would someone be accountable for something that did not happen!
Re: Culture of Rape at UVA profiled in Rolling Stone
Posted by:
UVrApe
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Date: November 23, 2014 01:51PM
Madison and Mclean well represented in that 2012 raping pledge class.
Re: Culture of Rape at UVA profiled in Rolling Stone
Posted by:
W&L
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Date: November 23, 2014 03:56PM
washington & Lee were represented by a few in the rapist pledge class and Langley had some reps. Figures. Rich assholes who will now be getting it in their asshokes in prison.
Re: Culture of Rape at UVA profiled in Rolling Stone
Posted by:
NotHere
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Date: November 23, 2014 04:39PM
Check out Chris Pivik's facebook page. He's not smart enough to figure out Facebook's privacy settings or to take down distasteful or incriminating photos after his name is associated with a horrible gang rape. If were a Phi Psi member at the time in question, I would not leave a photo of me shooting at something up on the web. I'd also close all of my social media accounts. How did this guy get into UVA?
I saved the photo in case he reads this - assuming he can read.
I saved the photo in case he reads this - assuming he can read.
Re: Culture of Rape at UVA profiled in Rolling Stone
Posted by:
NotHere
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Date: November 23, 2014 04:40PM
Inside Phi Psi
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