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Help for dyslexic child in fcps
Posted by: Kimny ()
Date: October 13, 2014 11:50PM

We will be moving to a Fairfax County in 2015. My son and daughter both have dyslexia. Where are the best schools in the county that will provide specialized reading and writing programs? We are looking to buy a home and the neighborhood we choose will be dictated by the schools it feeds into. Are there special centers that work with the dyslexic students in fcps?

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Re: Help for dyslexic child in fcps
Posted by: Nostradamus ()
Date: October 14, 2014 12:17AM

If this is a real post, run. Run fast, this is not the place you want your special needs children to attend school. It has one of the highest suicide rates in the nation (probably) although, it actually seems to be "popular" and athletic children who are killing themselves, your children won't be happy here. Please save them and yourself and go to Loudon county.

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Re: Help for dyslexic child in fcps
Posted by: 2 cents ()
Date: October 14, 2014 12:48AM

Just my experience (special needs but not dyslexia)...everything depends on the principal and the environment he/she promotes within the school. I would talk to a local educational consultant who has experience in this area - they know which schools are supportive and which schools are not. It is well worth the money. You should also pose this question on city-data for Fairfax county (don't know the link). You really need to be an advocate for your child; don't be intimidated and don't give up. Hate to say this, but special ed is a game here and you need to be the better player.

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Re: Help for dyslexic child in fcps
Posted by: bspostt ()
Date: October 14, 2014 09:05AM

I call bs. No one with 2 kids with dyslexia calls them 'dyslexic.' If your children had cancer would you call them 'cancerous?' No. Its a common mistake of people outside of an affliction to say a person is 'dyslexic' or 'autistic' but parents of these kids know that their children are not the affliction they Have the affliction.

Troll go somewere else. BTW Fairfax has amazing resources for children with dyslexia and other learning disabilities...

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Re: Help for dyslexic child in fcps
Posted by: hootyhooo ()
Date: October 14, 2014 09:31AM

bspostt Wrote:
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> ...BTW Fairfax has amazing
> resources for children with dyslexia and other
> learning disabilities...


YEAH, IT'S CALLED FAIRFAX UNDERGROUND!

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Re: Help for dyslexic child in fcps
Posted by: Actually... ()
Date: October 14, 2014 09:43AM

Nostradamus Wrote:
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> If this is a real post, run. Run fast, this is not
> the place you want your special needs children to
> attend school. It has one of the highest suicide
> rates in the nation (probably) although, it
> actually seems to be "popular" and athletic
> children who are killing themselves, your children
> won't be happy here. Please save them and yourself
> and go to Loudon county.

^^^ This guy is a total jerk who projects his own recurring failures onto everyone and everything else. Every FCPS school is IDEA compliant, with programs for eligible children being individually tailored through teamwork between school staff, IDEA staff and parents. Plans are reviewed regularly with changes and new ideas being incorporated as a child's progress may warrant or dictate. While ignoprant right-wing goobers hate FCPS and think it is a socialist plot, the schools here in fact do many things very well, and IDEA is one of them.

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Re: Help for dyslexic child in fcps
Posted by: Huey ()
Date: October 14, 2014 12:06PM

Dyslexics of the world, UNTIE!!

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Re: Help for dyslexic child in fcps
Posted by: Bill.N. ()
Date: October 14, 2014 01:35PM

If this is a serious post, take a look at the Falls Church City School System. Fairfax schools can be hit or miss when it comes to issues such as dyslexia.

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Re: Help for dyslexic child in fcps
Posted by: Nova morons ()
Date: October 14, 2014 02:21PM

Read this forum a little and you'll behold the fine products of the education system here. Its only getting worse. That should say enough.

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Re: Help for dyslexic child in fcps
Posted by: C4Cku ()
Date: October 14, 2014 03:24PM

Kimny Wrote:
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> We will be moving to a Fairfax County in 2015. My
> son and daughter both have dyslexia. Where are the
> best schools in the county that will provide
> specialized reading and writing programs? We are
> looking to buy a home and the neighborhood we
> choose will be dictated by the schools it feeds
> into. Are there special centers that work with
> the dyslexic students in fcps?

the town in which you worked and PAYED TAXES, unless your paying IN FULL

welcome to fairfax: now get out

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Re: Help for dyslexic child in fcps
Posted by: vmdvm ()
Date: October 14, 2014 03:25PM

unless you have interstate/country tax sharing agreement (transfers to fx co the citizens appreciate)

otherwise jsut fucking leave i'll put my boot in your ass

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Re: Help for dyslexic child in fcps
Posted by: Couldn't Stop Fucking, Eh? ()
Date: October 14, 2014 05:34PM

OP, the real question here is why after producing one defective child you had to squeeze out another? And now you want the Faifax taxpayers to pay even more in an attempt to educate your retards? You should have kept your knees together, given your husband blow jobs, and stopped at one. One, or perhaps both of you, are genetically defective and should be sterilized immediately as you're both prone to making bad choices and indiscriminate breeding. Please don't move here. We have enough idiots already.

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Re: Help for dyslexic child in fcps
Posted by: DWcTj ()
Date: October 14, 2014 06:04PM

You should pray to Dog for guidance.

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Re: Help for dyslexic child in fcps
Posted by: Ignore the Idiots ()
Date: October 14, 2014 06:32PM

There comes a point in most threads on this forum where our resident mental health patient posts rambling nonsense (see three/four posts above), followed by juvenile insults from the fine young cannibals (aka stupid kids) who lurk here waiting to strike. Take your meds, Sven, and stay in school, kids.

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Re: Help for dyslexic child in fcps
Posted by: Nostradamus ()
Date: October 14, 2014 07:57PM

Actually... Wrote:
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> Nostradamus Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > If this is a real post, run. Run fast, this is
> not
> > the place you want your special needs children
> to
> > attend school. It has one of the highest
> suicide
> > rates in the nation (probably) although, it
> > actually seems to be "popular" and athletic
> > children who are killing themselves, your
> children
> > won't be happy here. Please save them and
> yourself
> > and go to Loudon county.
>
> ^^^ This guy is a total jerk who projects his own
> recurring failures onto everyone and everything
> else. Every FCPS school is IDEA compliant, with
> programs for eligible children being individually
> tailored through teamwork between school staff,
> IDEA staff and parents. Plans are reviewed
> regularly with changes and new ideas being
> incorporated as a child's progress may warrant or
> dictate. While ignoprant right-wing goobers hate
> FCPS and think it is a socialist plot, the schools
> here in fact do many things very well, and IDEA is
> one of them.

Excuse me but how am I a total jerk by posting the truth about the suicides of Fairfax? And what recurring failures do you speak of? Seriously what about my post offended you or was untruthful?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/14/2014 09:19PM by Nostradamus.

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Re: Help for dyslexic child in fcps
Posted by: parent555555 ()
Date: October 14, 2014 09:18PM

Ok you need to move to an elementary school that is really high on paper. test scores don t mean all that much but schools with low ones have to many kids in the system so they will not be able to give yours help Ifyou have an IEP they have to follow it but move near a high performing school lke crossfield, floris , fox mill

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Re: Help for dyslexic child in fcps
Posted by: Bill.N. ()
Date: October 14, 2014 10:13PM

Nostradamus Wrote:
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> Excuse me but how am I a total jerk by posting the
> truth about the suicides of Fairfax? And what
> recurring failures do you speak of? Seriously what
> about my post offended you or was untruthful?

What truth? That suicides occur among teens even in Fairfax County? Are you aware of how pervasive the teenage suicide problem is in the U.S.? Did you know that on average there are 5,000 suicide attempts per day among teens? Did you know it is one of the top three causes of death among teens per year in this country? Or that the teen suicide death rate is much higher (on a per capita basis) in the Rocky Mountain states?

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Re: Help for dyslexic child in fcps
Posted by: Teacher....good luck ()
Date: October 14, 2014 11:40PM

Hire a student advocate and a good attorney.
Dyslexia is a medical diagnosis. The school system will have to .fairfaxize it. A processing delay; visual / auditory...... Your child will not qualify.....



Good luck.





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> We will be moving to a Fairfax County in 2015. My
> son and daughter both have dyslexia. Where are the
> best schools in the county that will provide
> specialized reading and writing programs? We are
> looking to buy a home and the neighborhood we
> choose will be dictated by the schools it feeds
> into. Are there special centers that work with
> the dyslexic students in fcps?

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Re: Help for dyslexic child in fcps
Posted by: Lessons Learned ()
Date: October 15, 2014 01:16AM

I found an interesting link on dcurbanmom that discusses dyslexia and the FCPS...

http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/103853.page

You are dealing with a massive bureaucracy - act accordingly. You really must learn IEP terminology and what you need to qualify. This is not an easy process. Your children will probably be put through a battery of tests. Do NOT let the school system perform the psychological evaluation; find an outside consultant and have this done yourself. You may want to consider having all required tests done by an outside consultant. It will cost thousands of dollars, but it may be worth it.

Bottom line - there are many, many wonderful teachers and support staff in the Fairfax county school system. But you first have to go through the bureaucracy to qualify for their help. I still feel traumatized ten years later. If I had to do it again, I would hire an educational consultant right from the start who has experience dealing with FCPS.

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Re: Help for dyslexic child in fcps
Posted by: In your boat ()
Date: October 15, 2014 04:09PM

I have a child who is dyslexic (FU to the poster who took issue with this term; of course it doesn't define our kids; it's just easier then saying "suffers from dyslexia" or "struggles with dyslexia" and you know what OP means anyway so why are you being an obtuse douchebag) My daughter was tested within the FCPS system and they did not come anywhere close to correctly diagnosing her properly, despite a long history of language issues. So I took her outside the system to a respected neuropsychology firm and they nailed her diagnosis.

But I don't believe 'dyslexia' is a recognized disability in the system; you have to be labeled either DD (developmentally delayed) or LD (Learning Disability). There are a few private schools that specialize in language disabilties. They cost upstairs of 30K and I've gotten mixed reviews on their effectiveness. In the end we paid our psychologist to come and present to our school very specific needs of my child. Despite the fact that our school is excellent, I did hire an outside tutor to help bring her to grade level in reading. Supplemented with pull out services at school my child is now thriving.

I agree with the poster who said go for a higher testing score school. They will have more resources and more used to dealing with the helicopter parent you are going to have to be. Don't be afraid to keep pushing. And good luck..

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Re: Help for dyslexic child in fcps
Posted by: In Your Ear ()
Date: October 15, 2014 04:46PM

So you paid a little to your shill "psychologist" in an attempt to convince the school to shell out bucks for your retarded snowflake? And you expect the rest of us to pay for it, right? All because you produced a defective human being and can't handle it. Send her to Melwood where she'll learn a trade.

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Re: Help for dyslexic child in fcps
Date: October 15, 2014 04:50PM

In your boat Wrote:
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> I have a child who is dyslexic (FU to the poster
> who took issue with this term; of course it
> doesn't define our kids; it's just easier then
> saying "suffers from dyslexia" or "struggles with
> dyslexia" and you know what OP means anyway so why
> are you being an obtuse douchebag) My daughter was
> tested within the FCPS system and they did not
> come anywhere close to correctly diagnosing her
> properly, despite a long history of language
> issues. So I took her outside the system to a
> respected neuropsychology firm and they nailed her
> diagnosis.
>

> Whew. Sure is a long way to say your kid is stupid.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/15/2014 04:52PM by Ugh the giant caveman.

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Re: Help for dyslexic child in fcps
Posted by: Where To Go ()
Date: October 15, 2014 05:12PM

Be careful how you procede.

Many "private" schools are not properly equipted to deal with LD or other leaning/processing issues.

You want a location that is not taxed by focusing on other issues like a high degree of ESOL students and so forth.

The Lab School might be the type of private school, however, they really deal with kids on the upper side of the LD/Processing problem.

But I would also bet there may be a improperly diagnosis of dyslexia. I am by no means a doctor, but I have dealt with a lot of issues in the past with kids that have dyslexia type symptoms and the problem was not related to dyslexia in any way shape or form. The issue was with Visual Tracking and this is a very cheap an easy thing to rule in or out if you go to see the proper specaialist. There are many that I would not recommend, there are a few I have direct experience with and are very honest and reliable.

The problem is many kids have "input" related issues like visual tracking and/or hearing issues and they do not start to show up until around 3-4th grade. Many kids have developed coping skills and until reading and self learning becomes more of a part of studying around 3rd-4th grade, this is when the issue start to appear. Some kids make it to high school or some even to college and can cope, but it is much better to catch these issues early on.

Trust me, rule out Visial Tracking issues, for under $250 you can get an initial determination as to whether there is an issue or not. Just make sure you use a honest and experienced doctor.

If you need recommendations, ask.

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Re: Help for dyslexic child in fcps
Posted by: (TJ) ()
Date: October 15, 2014 06:51PM

In your boat Wrote:
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> I have a child who is dyslexic (FU to the poster
> who took issue with this term; of course it
> doesn't define our kids; it's just easier then
> saying "suffers from dyslexia" or "struggles with
> dyslexia" and you know what OP means anyway so why
> are you being an obtuse douchebag)

Maybe the reason your daughter has problems processing information is because you do as well. I can just hear you at night tucking her in 'honey you just have trouble in school because you ARE dislexic; you dont Have it dear you ARE it. Goodnight...'

You sir are the douchebag in this scenario. I feel sorry for your daughter.

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Re: Help for dyslexic child in fcps
Posted by: lols ()
Date: October 15, 2014 06:57PM

*dYslexic

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Re: Help for dyslexic child in fcps
Posted by: Marie ()
Date: October 15, 2014 07:48PM

I am sorry people write such rude comments on here. My son has Dyslexia too and we moved from Springfield Estates to Fairview and Fairfax county has some of the best trained Special Ed teachers. This is a great place.

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Re: Help for dyslexic child in fcps
Posted by: Dear Marie ()
Date: October 15, 2014 09:05PM

Marie Wrote:
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> This is a great place.

Because the rest of us have to finance the care of your mistakes?

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Re: Help for dyslexic child in fcps
Posted by: In your boat ()
Date: October 16, 2014 09:26AM

Yes, In Your Ear and Caveman, everyone knows dyslexic = retarded. We will shell out millions because we also are stupid, and our poor retarded kids will never hold jobs or move out of our basements. You guys should run the world!

http://www.dyslexia.com/famous.htm
http://dyslexia.yale.edu/DYS_secretsuccess.html

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Re: Help for dyslexic child in fcps
Posted by: Actually... ()
Date: October 16, 2014 10:17AM

Dear Marie Wrote:
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> Because the rest of us have to finance the care of
> your mistakes?

Numbnuts goobers are too poor to pay any taxes. They live in hovels. Their clothes are Goodwill. They walk everywhere. They shoplift for food. The people who actually have money understand the need for taxes and are proud to be able to pay them. I wish more taxes were collected and devoted to the process of getting low-grade assholes like you kicked out of the county. Stupid dumbfuck.

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Re: Help for dyslexic child in fcps
Posted by: Dear Marie ()
Date: October 16, 2014 12:26PM

Actually... Wrote:
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> I wish more taxes were collected and
> devoted to the process of getting low-grade
> assholes like you kicked out of the county.
> Stupid dumbfuck.

And when I'm gone, who will be left to pay the taxes which are used to educate your retards? Your McJob working the fry machine ain't gonna do it.

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Re: Help for dyslexic child in fcps
Posted by: SpEdMom ()
Date: October 16, 2014 12:59PM

Fairfax County follows an inclusion model (no centers for all but the most serious problems).

Unfortunately, FCPS is notorious when it comes to dyslexia. If you MUST live in Fairfax County, your best bet is probably to push for the services of a reading specialist, and for classroom accommodations.

Do you already have IEPs in place? Current placement/services will stand while FCPS does an evaluation, and if you don't already have an IEP, it's going to be hard to get them to agree to an evaluation. Their evals are not good, but once you have one, you can usually demand an Independent Educational Evaluation (IEE) paid for at county expense. Private educational testing is also an option, if you can afford it, and there are tons of places that do that locally.

Be prepared to hire an advocate. They are much cheaper than lawyers.

Sadly, I second the notion of looking for super-high achieving schools with low rates of English language learners and low rates of free or discounted lunch. FCPS segregates students ethnically and economically to a degree I've never seen elsewhere, and if your children have special needs, you need to aim for a school pyramid that is not already overcrowded and overwhelmed.

I would recommend avoiding the southern part of Fx Co altogether. Aim for Reston (not Dogwood), McLean, Oakton, Vienna, etc. Better yet, aim for Arlington County, or Montgomery Co. in Maryland.

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Re: Help for dyslexic child in fcps
Posted by: Cure for Dyslexia ()
Date: October 16, 2014 01:31PM

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Re: Help for dyslexic child in fcps
Posted by: Flo ()
Date: October 16, 2014 09:02PM

Giss my Krits

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Re: Help for dyslexic child in fcps
Posted by: mark j ()
Date: October 16, 2014 09:41PM

"In your boat" is correct...Marie..you are out of it...

I had my son tested by a private psychologist. You will receive bare minimun and poor testing from FCPS. He met the criteria for dyslexia. HOWEVER, DON:T say that in FCPS because they do NOT acknowledge it...they call it LD or reading issue.
Even though I hired educational consultants to help write my son's IEP(yes, the administrators HATED me), it was not followed. Because case loads are so high, the students will be grouped together.

Even though my son was in Spec Ed since age 4, service was poor and today he can't write, poor reading comprehension, poor math skills. We supplemented with speech teachers and tutors. The school system spec ed is a FAIL.

Looking back, I wish I had placed him at the Lab School or another school accommadating this LD's.

As the above writer said RUN!!!!!!! Your kid will be shoved through. good luck

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Re: Help for dyslexic child in fcps
Posted by: Check The Eyes ()
Date: October 17, 2014 03:08AM

mark j Wrote:
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> "In your boat" is correct...Marie..you are out of
> it...
>
> I had my son tested by a private psychologist. You
> will receive bare minimun and poor testing from
> FCPS. He met the criteria for dyslexia. HOWEVER,
> DON:T say that in FCPS because they do NOT
> acknowledge it...they call it LD or reading issue.
>
> Even though I hired educational consultants to
> help write my son's IEP(yes, the administrators
> HATED me), it was not followed. Because case loads
> are so high, the students will be grouped
> together.
>
> Even though my son was in Spec Ed since age 4,
> service was poor and today he can't write, poor
> reading comprehension, poor math skills. We
> supplemented with speech teachers and tutors. The
> school system spec ed is a FAIL.
>
> Looking back, I wish I had placed him at the Lab
> School or another school accommadating this LD's.
>
> As the above writer said RUN!!!!!!! Your kid
> will be shoved through. good luck

You really need to get your child checked for visual tracking issues. This is a major thing overlooked by every "expert" in the field and is something very easily verified and fixed.

Even the "Psychologist" that do all the testing never pick up on this or even suggest having the child checked for Visual Tracking problems.

Very easy to rule in or out if you have a honest Optometrist you will know if there is a problem in the first visit and it will cost probably $150 or less.

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Re: Help for dyslexic child in fcps
Posted by: In your boat ()
Date: October 17, 2014 07:48AM

I agree that Vision Therapy is an option. But the problem with it now is that it's over diagnosed by unscrupulous doctors who then put your child through "stations" that are a one-size-fits-all treatment and not personalized to your child's specific issue.

I believe it was Dr. Wax(?) who brought vision therapy to the area and had great success but he's gone now.

Check The Eyes, if you have a recommendation for a good program I'd be interested. The two docs I know of in the area are not recommended by many.

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Re: Help for dyslexic child in fcps
Posted by: Check The Eyes ()
Date: October 17, 2014 09:30AM

In your boat Wrote:
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> I agree that Vision Therapy is an option. But the
> problem with it now is that it's over diagnosed by
> unscrupulous doctors who then put your child
> through "stations" that are a one-size-fits-all
> treatment and not personalized to your child's
> specific issue.
>
> I believe it was Dr. Wax(?) who brought vision
> therapy to the area and had great success but he's
> gone now.
>
> Check The Eyes, if you have a recommendation for a
> good program I'd be interested. The two docs I
> know of in the area are not recommended by many.

Dr. Wax was kind of the pioneer, however, he suffered from stagnation, bad office administration, lack of technology and I know MANY people that were less than happy with his organization and results. Technology advancements have REALLY improved Vision Therapy and Visual Tracking Diagnosis. Wax was too old school and missed out on the best part of the Vision Therapy. There was also a group in Arlington that I had heard less than ideal things about. There are VERY few Optometrist that are really good, are current in their field and know how to track and monitor improvement and results.

Vision Therapy is only an option if it is needed and many times is needed. If Visual Tracking is not a problem, not sense spending time, money and effort on it. Vision Therapy should not be considered unless there is a problem.

I can speak from first hand experience. Both our kids had issues.

Started with our daughter, 2nd to 3rd grade is usually when the signs/symptoms start to appear due to the transition to reading. I found the Optometrist that I used almost by accident and I had no idea at the time our daughter had Vision Tracking issues. I also did not know anything about Visual Tracking issues. On a whim I decided to at least make an appointment and see where all of this lead.

Our daughter could not not find words in the word search games where there is a square block of random letters with words horizontally, vertically, diagonally and backwards. My wife thought our daughter was just not trying hard enough or lazy. But this was just one thing that stood out before we realized there were Visual issues.

The fees may have changed, but I think the initial appointment was like $125 and we were informed there was likely a Visual Tracking issue and we would need to schedule a longer diagnostic appointment to determine in more detail what level of Vision issues our daughter had. My wife, daughter and I all attended the 2nd diagnostic appointment and just watching the tests was an eye opener. After the diagnostic test the doctor had my daughter go to the waiting room and discussed the results with my wife and myself privately.

Our daughter had a pretty severe case of Visual Tracking deficiency. Mixing up lower case b's and d's, p's and q's. Having a lot of problems with reading and not enjoying reading.

Well it took about 18 months of hard work on everyone's part, but the results were AMAZING and very measurable. I can tell you that our daughter went on to enjoy reading all sorts of Fiction and once she was introduced to the Amazon Kindle and Kindle App for her phone, she was reading easily 1000+ pages a week on her own. Going from struggling in 3rd and part of 4th grade to graduating from one of the top/competitive high schools with almost a 4.0 GPA and then getting into a top 50 University and doing very well was what not where we expected to be looking back at the 3rd and 4th grade years.

Then our son, we had no idea if he had any issues, but for the $125 to rule it out, we decided to have him tested as well at the end of 2nd grade. Well I was not familiar with the testing, results and process. While sitting through the initial screening, less that halfway through the testing without feedback from the doctor, I saw issues and knew there was a problem before the doctor reviewed the first round testing. So we caught this issue early and started with Vision Therapy which was successful, however, unlike our daughter our son also was struggling with reading and in specific reading fluency. Along about 4th grade our son was just tracking just below the lower edge of grade level and we know there was something other than Vision issues that need to be addressed.

We then found out about the Wilson Reading Program and found a very good specialist that did an outstanding job with the Wilson Reading program that really improved our sons reading fluency.

My point about all of this is there are many issues that can hamper kids ability to learn and excel. The average classroom teachers are not trained or equipped to understand what the symptoms are. Also the way schools are in general, more so Public Schools, the teachers WILL NOT point out problems. With Public Schools if the teachers or administration identify any issues, then the school is kind of on the hook to resolve the issue(s). But there is not enough time, money or expertise to individually address these kids. It is sad, but true and just how the system works. You have to take control and learn and figure this all out by yourself. It takes extra time, money and effort, but if you find the right help the results will be AMAZING.

There are a lot of kids that fall in the middle of pack. They are not eligible for IEP's, they are not to the level they should be at the Lab School. In my opinion many of the kids with IEP's are just getting a crutch to cope with an issue and the issue is never officially addressed or corrected. Much of the IEP's are band-aids that just get the task at hand accomplished and do not improver or solve the underlying issue(s). Many private schools are not equipped to deal with kids with issues what every they are. So this leaves many dealing with Public Schools with never really address the cause of the deficiency, just the symptoms.

The Optometrist that we ended up using for our kids became the family Optometrist an we have being using him for almost 10 years now. We have recommended many friends to him and on a few occasions friends were shocked when the Optometrist did a screening and told them there were no issues and their child did not need any form of Visual Therapy. This I think says volumes as even our friends figured services could be pushed/sold when not needed. I also found that the Optometrist did not have the same diagnosis for our kids, they were slightly different and I found the treatment time to be dead on. This Optometrist has been doing Vision Therapy for over 20 years, has a very good gut/seat of the pants feel as well has the process and data to track results, make minor adjustments and see the improvements.

My analogy is Vision Therapy is like going to the gym for the eyes. My kids would at times tell me their eyes hurt or were tired after Therapy sessions, but this was clear to me that they were working their eyes and eye muscles and this is what I kind of expected. What I found is this Optometrist would start Therapy on the weaker eye, and improve it, then move on to the better eye, then put both eyes to work as a unit. This all seems stupid simple, but once you understand what is going on and how things are done, it is really quite fascinating.

As you can see I have a lot to say and to put it out here on FFU is brave of me, but if I can help just a few families/children, it is worth it to me. I went into Vision Therapy blind and clueless that this was even something that existed, I lucked into a situation where I think I found one of the best Vision Therapy programs in the area. I met many other parents coming to this Optometrist from Dr. Wax and other doctors in McLean, Arlington and Fairfax that has been less that impressed with the process and results. Most found they preferred the Optometrist we were using.

Again, kids may have many different problems with learning spanning, the range from physical, executive processing, emotional, mental, or even family problems, but I can say from first hand experience that basic physical issues such as vision and hearing can and should be ruled in or out as potential issues very early on, otherwise it will make the entire primary school experience very painful and stressful for everything in the household.

Here is my recommend Optometrist for Vision Tracking Screening and Vision Therapy in the area - http://www.cantwellvisiontherapy.com/. I unfortunately or fortunately spent almost 3 years making trips back and forth for Vision Therapy for both of our kids, but the results were well worth it and unfortunately along the way nobody pointed our family in this direction. I would do all over again in a heartbeat if I needed to. I can vouch that this Optometrist is very honest and will not try to sell you one services your child would not need.

What I have also found is Dr. Cantwell is very progressive in many of his options/suggestions. Our entire family has "benchmark" vision baseline records from visits. As we have annual check ups, the historical records help everyone understand if there are vision changes and how quickly they are happening. Our daughter later on had a nearsightedness problem that was quickly identified. Something we had never heard of was Orthokeratology which is wearing a hard contact lens only at night while you sleep to correct your vision during the day. This is something our daughter has been doing for the past 3-4 years and it has been a great way to correct her vision. As a swimmer and swim coach this was a great option for her and she does not need to worry about contact lens or glasses during the day.

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Re: Help for dyslexic child in fcps
Posted by: Actually... ()
Date: October 17, 2014 02:55PM

Dear Marie Wrote:
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> And when I'm gone, who will be left to pay the
> taxes which are used to educate your retards? Your
> McJob working the fry machine ain't gonna do it.

Seriously, dear...to tax authorities, I look like three of you, and the county would be far better off if it could kick ignorant sociopaths and self-serving goober assholes out. We all pay for each other here. If you can't play by the rules, hit the fucking road. Nobody here needs you or anybody like you.

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Re: Help for dyslexic child in fcps
Posted by: FCPS health aide ()
Date: October 17, 2014 03:16PM

FCPS schools do vision and hearing screening of every new student, and of every existing student in kindergarten, 3rd grade, 7th grade, and 10th grade every year. FCPS is NOT your doctor. It is YOUR responsibility to see that your student receives regular and appropriate health care. Remember to take him or her to a dentist now and again as well.

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Re: Help for dyslexic child in fcps
Posted by: Dizzy Dyzlexie ()
Date: October 17, 2014 03:55PM

Ym ecivda si ot teg ruoy sdik ni PAA. Fi yeht tnod yfilauq aviv the TAGOC teg a fer. Iva etavirp larrefer.

(Push for center based AAP...it is the vast wasteland of out of control, special needs kids who test well but have extensive social, intellectual and mental problems. Starts in third grade. Have fun)

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Re: Help for dyslexic child in fcps
Posted by: Check The Eyes ()
Date: October 17, 2014 04:27PM

FCPS health aide Wrote:
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> FCPS schools do vision and hearing screening of
> every new student, and of every existing student
> in kindergarten, 3rd grade, 7th grade, and 10th
> grade every year. FCPS is NOT your doctor. It is
> YOUR responsibility to see that your student
> receives regular and appropriate health care.
> Remember to take him or her to a dentist now and
> again as well.

FCPS does do Vision and Hearing "screening", however, it is not full testing and it is only to identify kids with major issues. Parents usually volunteer to assist with this, but this is just a cursory overview.

The school screening is not an in depth test and diagnostic. It takes between 1-3 hours for someone trained and with the appropriate equipment to perform "proper" vision and hearing exams.

Not that it is bad the school does these screenings, however, for some people it gives them a false sense that everything is fine. It does however find the kids with more severe issues that are then recommended to be checked further.

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Re: Help for dyslexic child in fcps
Posted by: Dear Marie ()
Date: October 17, 2014 04:31PM

Actually... Wrote:
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> Seriously, dear...to tax authorities, I look like
> three of you,

That's extremely unlikely, and if so it's only because I have an excellent accountant who assists with my success far better than yours does. Now be sure to clean the fry machine before leaving tonight.


> Nobody here needs you or anybody like you.

You need me and people like me to pay for your retards.

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Re: Help for dyslexic child in fcps
Posted by: Actually Not... ()
Date: October 17, 2014 05:43PM

Actually... Wrote:
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> We all pay for each other here.

Therein lies the problem. I know that I've put a lot more into the system than I'll get out. So I'm paying for others. And paying for your autistic goons, who will never be productive members of society and are more likely to further drain the coffers for as long as they shall live, is a bad investment for taxpayers. Time to cut our losses and cut all of you off.

You should explore a future in other lands where Socialism is viewed differently. Cuba perhaps. Your children would do better there. And please stop breeding now.

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Re: Help for dyslexic child in fcps
Posted by: Actually... ()
Date: October 17, 2014 06:10PM

Dear Marie Wrote:
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> That's extremely unlikely...

Nevertheless true. I've been both very good and very fortunate in life.

> You need me and people like me to pay for your retards.

Nobody needs ignorant assfucks for any reason at all. In a civil society, we all have obligations to each other. If you can't live up to yours, just get the fuck out. Worthless git.

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Re: Help for dyslexic child in fcps
Posted by: Actually... ()
Date: October 17, 2014 06:20PM

Actually Not... Wrote:
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> Actually... Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > We all pay for each other here.
>
> Therein lies the problem. I know that I've put a
> lot more into the system than I'll get out. So I'm
> paying for others. And paying for your autistic
> goons, who will never be productive members of
> society and are more likely to further drain the
> coffers for as long as they shall live, is a bad
> investment for taxpayers. Time to cut our losses
> and cut all of you off.

Fuck off, you pompous dick-brain. You ain't shit, and you aren't paying for shit. People who actually have money are more concerned about how to give it away that how to hold onto it. You've got squat, assfuck.

> You should explore a future in other lands where
> Socialism is viewed differently. Cuba perhaps.
> Your children would do better there. And please
> stop breeding now.

Cuba? My lord, such a low-grade fucktard! By the way, my future right here has long since been secured rather a number of times over, and my children are all but certainly older, wiser, and wealthier than you are. Eat your aching goober heart out, turdboy.

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Re: Help for dyslexic child in fcps
Posted by: Actually Not... ()
Date: October 17, 2014 07:21PM

Actually... Wrote:
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> Fuck off, you pompous dick-brain. You ain't shit,
> and you aren't paying for shit. People who
> actually have money are more concerned about how
> to give it away that how to hold onto it. You've
> got squat, assfuck.

We who have worked to acquire wealth seek to give it to whom we please rather than the leeches who would take it from us. If I have received less than I have given, losers such as yourself benefit. You're welcome.

> Cuba? My lord, such a low-grade fucktard! By the
> way, my future right here has long since been
> secured rather a number of times over, and my
> children are all but certainly older, wiser, and
> wealthier than you are. Eat your aching goober
> heart out, turdboy.

So you're not going to give up that Section 8 housing after waiting so long, eh?

Your abuse of the King's English speaks volumes. Turning to vulgarity and name calling as exemplified by your liberal leaders. A public school dropout no doubt.

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Re: Help for dyslexic child in fcps
Posted by: Kaki ssn ()
Date: October 17, 2014 09:27PM

May the Odds not be in your Favour










-------------------------------------------------------
> Actually... Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Fuck off, you pompous dick-brain. You ain't
> shit,
> > and you aren't paying for shit. People who
> > actually have money are more concerned about
> how
> > to give it away that how to hold onto it.
> You've
> > got squat, assfuck.
>
> We who have worked to acquire wealth seek to give
> it to whom we please rather than the leeches who
> would take it from us. If I have received less
> than I have given, losers such as yourself
> benefit. You're welcome.
>
> > Cuba? My lord, such a low-grade fucktard! By
> the
> > way, my future right here has long since been
> > secured rather a number of times over, and my
> > children are all but certainly older, wiser,
> and
> > wealthier than you are. Eat your aching goober
> > heart out, turdboy.
>
> So you're not going to give up that Section 8
> housing after waiting so long, eh?
>
> Your abuse of the King's English speaks volumes.
> Turning to vulgarity and name calling as
> exemplified by your liberal leaders. A public
> school dropout no doubt.

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Re: Help for dyslexic child in fcps
Posted by: Mmmmmmm ()
Date: October 18, 2014 10:11PM

In this day and time, Special Education teachers do not know how to instruct students with "dyslexia."

So-called regular education students are seemingly not taught how to write...they are taught how to type.

They cannot differentiate "dyslexia" from a writing deficiency....and do not know the strategies/methods/techniques/ approaches used for compensation.

I wonder what you as a parent of a "dyslexic" student is doing to compensate for this disability or challenge?

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Re: Help for dyslexic child in fcps
Posted by: Mr. Welby ()
Date: October 18, 2014 11:02PM

I wonder how you arrived at the conclusion your children are "dyslexic". Who put that label on them?

Your children need to be talked to by you often, but need for you to talk to them like they are your peers or friends.

Yes you still need to get them to do all of their stuff but not as dictator.

If your children are slow it is because they have anxiety not because they are "dyslexic".

Your children simply cannot concentrate because you have not talked to them as regular people therefore they think that there is something wrong with themselves. This is the source of their anxiety which causes them to not concentrate well. They mostly daydream because it is safer and less stressful when doing so.

For example, If you order your children to brush their teeth before going to bed in a firmer and louder tone of voice than you would ask your boss if he/she/shemale could give you more time for the requested report, then your children feel oppressed.

If you say to your children..."please remember to brush your teeth before you go to bed" then ask them if they brushed their teeth the night before while they are having breakfast they will then realize it is their responsibility not a command. Of course it would be very wise to also let them know that people who don't brush their teeth get holes in their teeth which the dentist must drill into to fill the holes properly and it can be very painful.

Be consistent and ask each child often "how are you sweety" for example.

You will be amazed at how fast your children's real IQ's show up at school!

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Re: Help for dyslexic child in fcps
Posted by: TeacherTeacher ()
Date: October 19, 2014 10:39AM

If your child is having severe reading issues you should definitely get him or her tested by a developmental optometrist. Not a regular optometrist. There is a big difference. I have taught quite a few kids whose parents took them to a regular optometrist and were told there was no problem, when I could see all kinds of signs of tracking and focusing problems in class. This is not just if they can see clearly, it is how the eyes work when focusing on print. The Occupational Therapist at school can do a cursory screening. Read about it online if you are not sure and your child has a reading problem.

You need to have your child's IEP written so that a "phonics based reading program" that is "research based" is used. In FCPS we don't put the actual names of reading programs in the IEP, or at least teachers are told not to, but you could try to insist on it. Also, have them put in exactly how many minutes per day the program will be taught, and how large the group of students being instructed will be. It should not be any more than 4, and less is better. You should see if the school has a Learning Lab where small groups of kids are taught reading. Also, if your child uses one program, will the teacher in the next grade level be able to continue with it? The county has picked Read Well for younger kids, and it is NOT good for true dyslexia. You want someone who is trained in Wilson for dyslexia.

You also need to get a tutor for your child outside of school. If your child is having reading issues, push for an assessment by the reading teacher if the child does not have special education testing yet. As classroom teachers, we are required to try different things for six to eight weeks before bringing the child up for special education screening. That can be a long time for a child to be lagging behind.

The testing in FCPS is usually good. The problem is when the school staff is overwhelmed by caseloads and can't spend a lot of time on one kid. I would ask what the tests are going to be and exactly what they are looking for. If you suspect a processing difficulty in auditory processing, for example, tell the school that and ask for a test that specifically measures that, not just a subtest of the IQ test.

It is very expensive to get private testing done, so try the school first. Also, your child will get tired of being tested and not try after a while to get it over with. Have work samples from school saved to illustrate your concerns.

Insist on a week before getting the test results and then having any kind of eligibility or IEP meeting. You need to be able to read the reports carefully.

If your child has ADHD, please get them meds. It is so hard to teach a child to read that can't sit still or focus or constantly starts talking about something totally unrelated. Nobody wants to medicate their child, but if they can't read, their lives are going to be very stressful and self-esteem suffers.

I will be ignoring the racist, snotty comments that are sure to follow. I know those writers are some of my former ED students. I can tell, because they still can't spell or have respect for others. Luckily, most of my former students are happy and successful and have better things to do with their time.

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Re: Help for dyslexic child in fcps
Posted by: Fix The Eyes ()
Date: October 19, 2014 08:46PM

TeacherTeacher Wrote:
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> If your child has ADHD, please get them meds. It
> is so hard to teach a child to read that can't sit
> still or focus or constantly starts talking about
> something totally unrelated. Nobody wants to
> medicate their child, but if they can't read,
> their lives are going to be very stressful and
> self-esteem suffers.
>

As for ADHD, this is a double edged sword. I would do ANYTHING not to have a kid medicated. The problem is most ADHD drugs are stimulates that help raise the level of endorphins to make the child "feel better about themselves".

There are plenty of way to make a kid feel better about themselves to include getting the proper help for their learning issues whether it be eyes, ears or other.

All you have to do is watch a kid sit in a chair and attempt to concentrate, if the kid cannot sit still, there is a problem and it was more than likely the medication and "the symptom/problem".

Usually boys have more of a problem than girls, but any any case, the kids need to be kept of the medications. The problem is Doctors prescribe medications, but rarely do the parents or Doctors fine tune the medications and the parents want to think there is a "pill" for the problem.

The kids need to get active. My son does not and did not have ADHD that I was aware of but he would often be fidgety and unfocused, it was clear to me 2 things need to be done.

First my son needed to be fed and not hungry. My soft after 6 months needed to eat every 2 hours up to about 6-7 years of age, even waking up in the middle of the night.

Second, if my son was fidgety and unfocused I medicated him with a ball. Something he enjoyed and was good at. I kept a basketball and baseball and gloves in the car and had it handy for even 15-20 minutes of working out.

Once he was feed and exercised, then we could focus on the task at hand and we would usually get a small snack afterwards as a treat/reward. This worked very well and even as a teenager my son realizes if he cannot focus, it is outside for some ball time. He does this on his own and I have no problem with it.

Scrap the medications, do ANYTHING you can to not medicate the kids, these meds screw up the kids and they become dependent on them, but also what happens with kids, they grow quickly and the the affects of the meds on the kids changes quickly.

Deal with the deficiencies the kids have with eyes, ears and focus. Make them feel good about being able to complete the tasks that have been handed out at school and get them the basic help they need, without medication as it does not solve the root cause of the so called "ADHD", it puts a bandaid on the problem and just compounds the issue making it worse at the kids get older.

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Re: Help for dyslexic child in fcps
Posted by: Poster ()
Date: October 19, 2014 10:23PM

Marie Wrote:
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> I am sorry people write such rude comments on
> here. My son has Dyslexia too and we moved from
> Springfield Estates to Fairview and Fairfax county
> has some of the best trained Special Ed teachers.
> This is a great place.


What help has your son received? What evidence based reading and math programs does your son participate in? Is your son on grade level for reading?

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Re: Help for dyslexic child in fcps
Posted by: Not Region 3 ()
Date: October 22, 2014 08:39PM

Working with parents and kids in FCPS, I've learned to avoid Region 3.
Their resources are stretched too thin. Very old technology. Even if accommodations call for ATS services, the laptops may not be available.

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Re: Help for dyslexic child in fcps
Posted by: Mr. Welby ()
Date: October 22, 2014 08:57PM

If you all would spend lots of time with your children starting when they come home from the hospital after birth, they would not suffer learning disabilities unless of course they are down babies.

I realize that is a tall order because the government has made it impossible for most couples to live on a single income.

Attention deprivation disorder is the real problem. Children should know their abc's by the time they are 1.5 years of age through your own home schooling.

Using your children as sources of fun and affection especially with too many outside the family can have a very negative affect. Start treating your child as an intelligent being as young as possible by talking to them as you would talk to your peers.

Your children will excel well beyond your expectations if you follow my advice and they will be well adjusted, obedient, and compassionate selfless people as well because they won't be encumbered by emotional and mental disorders.

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Re: Help for dyslexic child in fcps
Posted by: Derf Reklaw (Fred Walker) ()
Date: October 23, 2014 10:28AM

Nac eh daer siht ecnetnes?

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Re: Help for dyslexic child in fcps
Posted by: everything before ()
Date: October 23, 2014 12:26PM

Fix The Eyes Wrote:
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> TeacherTeacher Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > If your child has ADHD, please get them meds.
> It
> > is so hard to teach a child to read that can't
> sit
> > still or focus or constantly starts talking
> about
> > something totally unrelated. Nobody wants to
> > medicate their child, but if they can't read,
> > their lives are going to be very stressful and
> > self-esteem suffers.
> >
>
> As for ADHD, this is a double edged sword. I would
> do ANYTHING not to have a kid medicated. The
> problem is most ADHD drugs are stimulates that
> help raise the level of endorphins to make the
> child "feel better about themselves".
>
> There are plenty of way to make a kid feel better
> about themselves to include getting the proper
> help for their learning issues whether it be eyes,
> ears or other.
>
> All you have to do is watch a kid sit in a chair
> and attempt to concentrate, if the kid cannot sit
> still, there is a problem and it was more than
> likely the medication and "the symptom/problem".
>
> Usually boys have more of a problem than girls,
> but any any case, the kids need to be kept of the
> medications. The problem is Doctors prescribe
> medications, but rarely do the parents or Doctors
> fine tune the medications and the parents want to
> think there is a "pill" for the problem.
>
> The kids need to get active. My son does not and
> did not have ADHD that I was aware of but he would
> often be fidgety and unfocused, it was clear to me
> 2 things need to be done.
>
> First my son needed to be fed and not hungry. My
> soft after 6 months needed to eat every 2 hours up
> to about 6-7 years of age, even waking up in the
> middle of the night.
>
> Second, if my son was fidgety and unfocused I
> medicated him with a ball. Something he enjoyed
> and was good at. I kept a basketball and baseball
> and gloves in the car and had it handy for even
> 15-20 minutes of working out.
>
> Once he was feed and exercised, then we could
> focus on the task at hand and we would usually get
> a small snack afterwards as a treat/reward. This
> worked very well and even as a teenager my son
> realizes if he cannot focus, it is outside for
> some ball time. He does this on his own and I have
> no problem with it.
>
> Scrap the medications, do ANYTHING you can to not
> medicate the kids, these meds screw up the kids
> and they become dependent on them, but also what
> happens with kids, they grow quickly and the the
> affects of the meds on the kids changes quickly.
>
> Deal with the deficiencies the kids have with
> eyes, ears and focus. Make them feel good about
> being able to complete the tasks that have been
> handed out at school and get them the basic help
> they need, without medication as it does not solve
> the root cause of the so called "ADHD", it puts a
> bandaid on the problem and just compounds the
> issue making it worse at the kids get older.

I have add and was in sports in HS and college year round. I played sports hard and worked out 20+hrs per week. It wasnt until later in life with meds I could accomplish academic excellence. Had I taken low-level Ritalin as a kid I would have a job in the field of Science - something I truely love.

I have kids and they do not have add. If they did I would try everything before I tried drug therapy. In the end though I would absolutely give them drug therapy if it helped.

Its a tough call as a parent but knowing the damage that can be done by not being able to learn up to one's capacity I would err on the side of helping the kid. For those of you without decades of experience giving us lectures as to 'how it really is' - you are full of crap and you have very little idea what you are talking about.

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Re: Help for dyslexic child in fcps
Posted by: Coach ()
Date: October 24, 2014 11:45AM

So I have coached many different youth sports over the years and there were kids that I suspected were ADHD kids, kids that I suspected were on medication and kids that parents told me the kids were on medication.

What I can say for sure, the kids that were on medication more often than not had a terrible time concentrating and focusing on the field or on the court.

Some you would think would just explode on the field like they were on some serious then crash at some point. They are all over the place to the point I really wanted to tell the parent to get the medication in check and re-evaluated by the doctor, but I was in a very difficult place, being a volunteer coach, parent of another player and often having assistance coaches, it just became better not to say anything when I really should have.

I had all sorts of kids with Insulane pumps and other medical issues that I would work with both the parents and kids to make sure we managed their play time and would pull the kids as needed for their health, but never held this against them.

Matter of fact we worked out special signals and would check on the kids during practices and games and if the kids needed to come out, it was no questions asked, worked quit well and both the kids, parents and team all felt it was a good approach.

The problem is with the ADHD meds and situation it is a touchy subject and many parents/kids do not even want to discuss it. But after years of working with kids it becomes pretty obvious what is going on and you can usually spot the ADHD/medicated kids quickly.

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Re: Help for dyslexic child in fcps
Posted by: RandomParent ()
Date: October 26, 2014 07:44PM

We currently live in Fairfax County and have a child who is dyslexic. The school has failed him in a major way, so we will be pulling him next year.

FCPS has gotten too large to serve the needs of these children. I agree with some of the previous comments: go to an area with very high test scores, etc. Why? Because unlike the area of the county where we live, the school might not be so overburdened and they may have the resources left over to help all students.


FCPS is able to provide separate, self-contained classrooms to the gifted/talented students through their Level IV AAP program. However, as someone noted above, they have moved to an inclusion model for almost all LD students. As if that makes sense: take the brightest, highest-achieving students and give them an even more ideal learning environment, while taking those who need smaller class size, individualized programs, and quiet surroundings and shoving them in with 27 other children. I do not see the logic in that at all.

If you can, go to Arlington or Loudoun. Montgomery County doesn't serve these children any better than FCPS.

Keep in mind, I'm not referring to a simple reading disability. Dyslexia is entirely different and is neurologically based. You don't want to gamble your child's education on whether or not FCPS is going to get that or not. It's hit or miss, depending on the school, but in general - a huge miss.

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