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More details in Fairfax cop killing of John Geer
Posted by: Sane Person ()
Date: September 02, 2014 05:16PM

Geer died a year ago, cops still haven't said anything, prosecutors haven't ruled on the shooting. Family finally filed a lawsuit:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/after-a-year-with-no-answers-in-fairfax-police-slaying-of-john-geer-family-sues/2014/09/02/54da1892-31e6-11e4-a723-fa3895a25d02_story.html

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Re: More details in Fairfax cop killing of John Geer
Posted by: need independent ()
Date: September 02, 2014 05:45PM

Why would a prosecutor rule against the police?

Aren't the police a prosecutor's main source of business, and allies in proving cases?

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Re: More details in Fairfax cop killing of John Geer
Posted by: Really? ()
Date: September 02, 2014 06:30PM

John Geer? The guy who makes tractors and mowers? I have one and really like it. Who'll make a new one when mine breaks?

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Re: More details in Fairfax cop killing of John Geer
Posted by: rational tax payer ()
Date: September 02, 2014 09:25PM

Play with fire...get burned, the dude should just come out and not act like a moron as the news accounts say....no loss here...move along move along

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Re: More details in Fairfax cop killing of John Geer
Posted by: Gv ()
Date: September 03, 2014 12:31AM

Cops murdered this guy. But cops get away with murder every day. I will be surprised if his family ever gets justice.

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Re: More details in Fairfax cop killing of John Geer
Posted by: C4Fyw ()
Date: September 03, 2014 01:36AM

rational tax payer Wrote:
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> Play with fire...get burned, the dude should just
> come out and not act like a moron as the news
> accounts say....no loss here...move along move
> along

So the cops can shoot you dead if they feel like it? Read the story and tell us if it makes you feel safer when Fairfax cops show up:

"...Police and federal investigators have not released any information publicly about the case. They have not said whether they think the shooting was justified and have not released the names of the officers involved."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/after-a-year-with-no-answers-in-fairfax-police-slaying-of-john-geer-family-sues/2014/09/02/54da1892-31e6-11e4-a723-fa3895a25d02_story.html

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Re: More details in Fairfax cop killing of John Geer
Posted by: Pervak ()
Date: September 03, 2014 02:07PM

The message to all is that you should not call a cop unless you think that someone's life is literally at risk. Cops in Fairfax and around the region are simply trigger happy -- and there is no penalty for preferring to shoot rather than trying to de-escalate. Cops will always claim that their life was threatened, that there was a "possible" gun, a knife, or some physical threat that required them to kill.

And, of course, for their own "safety" they could not be bothered here to check on the guy they shot. It is all about the cop's safety, not the safety of the private citizen. Given all the focus on police safety you would think they were defenseless Girl Scouts or Salvation Army psalm singers.

I would not be surprised to hear that they even planted a pistol near Greer's body.

Too bad there is no civilian oversight board for cops around here.

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Re: More details in Fairfax cop killing of John Geer
Posted by: your an idiot ()
Date: September 03, 2014 03:36PM

sounds like Pervak doesnt like cops. thats what happens when you commit crimes or drive like an idiot. civilian oversights are stupid. one, they dont know the law, and two its real easy to pass judgement when they dont know what its like to be a cop, then get to analyze an event from the safety of their office and have all the time in the world to do it, when cops have to make split second decisions. if there was wrong doing, the feds will say there was when their investigation is complete. feds do not sweep things under the rug because its a police department. they take their time doing an investigation though, just like every other federal govt agency. atleast the comm atty made a decision to have the feds look at it when he couldnt decide if their was wrong doing or not. thats a decision that has to be the right one because it effects alot of people.

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Re: More details in Fairfax cop killing of John Geer
Posted by: Office Unfriendly ()
Date: September 03, 2014 03:53PM

We live in a Police State, as everyone now knows. Nothing we can do about it as our politicians (local and federal) are all bought by the highest bidders. Once you give the government power you can never get it back.

The mission of the police used to be "serve and protect." Now it's "search and destroy."

Land of the free? Keep thinking that.

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Re: More details in Fairfax cop killing of John Geer
Posted by: Who's the idiot, officer? ()
Date: September 03, 2014 03:58PM

your an idiot Wrote:
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> sounds like Pervak doesnt like cops. thats what
> happens when you commit crimes or drive like an
> idiot. civilian oversights are stupid. one, they
> dont know the law, and two its real easy to pass
> judgement when they dont know what its like to be
> a cop, then get to analyze an event from the
> safety of their office and have all the time in
> the world to do it, when cops have to make split
> second decisions. if there was wrong doing, the
> feds will say there was when their investigation
> is complete. feds do not sweep things under the
> rug because its a police department. they take
> their time doing an investigation though, just
> like every other federal govt agency. atleast the
> comm atty made a decision to have the feds look at
> it when he couldnt decide if their was wrong doing
> or not. thats a decision that has to be the right
> one because it effects alot of people.


My third grade daughter has better grammar than you. Here's a suggestion: Spend less time assaulting innocent civilians and more time reading and learning. Make the world a better place.

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Re: More details in Fairfax cop killing of John Geer
Posted by: Rev Al ()
Date: September 03, 2014 04:10PM

No need to show up in Springfield - the man is white

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Re: More details in Fairfax cop killing of John Geer
Posted by: watching too much TV ()
Date: September 03, 2014 04:45PM

Pervak Wrote:
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> The message to all is that you should not call a
> cop unless you think that someone's life is
> literally at risk. Cops in Fairfax and around the
> region are simply trigger happy -- and there is no
> penalty for preferring to shoot rather than trying
> to de-escalate. Cops will always claim that their
> life was threatened, that there was a "possible"
> gun, a knife, or some physical threat that
> required them to kill.
>
> And, of course, for their own "safety" they could
> not be bothered here to check on the guy they
> shot. It is all about the cop's safety, not the
> safety of the private citizen. Given all the focus
> on police safety you would think they were
> defenseless Girl Scouts or Salvation Army psalm
> singers.
>
> I would not be surprised to hear that they even
> planted a pistol near Greer's body.
>
> Too bad there is no civilian oversight board for
> cops around here.


An average of 120 cops are killed at work every year. Probably hard for someone like you to understand the concept of not making it home after a day of changing oil at the Goodyear but I'm guessing there are not too many life and death decisions (possibly for you as well) you have ever had to make in your life.

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Re: More details in Fairfax cop killing of John Geer
Posted by: Small Number ()
Date: September 03, 2014 05:02PM

120 per year is very small considering the massive amount nationwide. I bet people working late night/overnight shifts at gas stations/7-11s/liquor stores have a higher rate of being killed.

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Re: More details in Fairfax cop killing of John Geer
Posted by: put it in perspective ()
Date: September 03, 2014 05:15PM

Small Number Wrote:
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> 120 per year is very small considering the massive
> amount nationwide. I bet people working late
> night/overnight shifts at gas
> stations/7-11s/liquor stores have a higher rate of
> being killed.


Maybe but I haven't heard of too many 7--11 clerks killed pulling people out of burning building or during trying resolve a hostage situation. Please list all the liquor store employees that responded to the twin towers on 9-11 and Ill go with it

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Re: More details in Fairfax cop killing of John Geer
Posted by: Small Number ()
Date: September 03, 2014 05:17PM

They also don't get the same pay, benefits, union protection, a benefit of the doubt in violent situation that nobody else gets.

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Re: More details in Fairfax cop killing of John Geer
Posted by: unless its your Dad or Mom ()
Date: September 03, 2014 05:28PM

Small Number Wrote:
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> They also don't get the same pay, benefits, union
> protection, a benefit of the doubt in violent
> situation that nobody else gets.


If it has to be explained to , you wont get it anyway. Enjoy your little world

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Re: More details in Fairfax cop killing of John Geer
Posted by: Bill.N. ()
Date: September 03, 2014 05:52PM

rational tax payer Wrote:
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> Play with fire...get burned, the dude should just
> come out and not act like a moron as the news
> accounts say....no loss here...move along move
> along


Nothing rationale about this at all. When there has been a fatal shooting, death in custody or allegation of excessive force which is supported by some credible evidence, the victim or the victim's family has a right to have the incident investigated to insure that the police action was appropriate. If the Fairfax police department and Commonwealth Attorney office had a history of making serious investigations and bringing charges where the evidence suggested police actions may have been improper, it would be reasonable to say we should defer to the investigators. Since we instead have a history of not pursuing such investigations and charges, the only reasonable option these people have is to sue for damages.

Let this play out in court so we can see what the facts and evidence are, and not what the police, or the victim's family, claim them to be.

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Re: More details in Fairfax cop killing of John Geer
Posted by: fedupffx ()
Date: September 03, 2014 10:19PM

more roofers are killed every year than cops, moron.

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Re: More details in Fairfax cop killing of John Geer
Posted by: CantSleep ()
Date: September 03, 2014 10:35PM

fedupffx Wrote:
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> more roofers are killed every year than cops,
> moron.


I second that mostly because I have nothing to add and can't sleep.

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Re: More details in Fairfax cop killing of John Geer
Posted by: And.. ()
Date: September 03, 2014 10:37PM

fedupffx Wrote:
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> more roofers are killed every year than cops,
> moron.

Add lumber jacks, landscapers to that list. AND more restaurant managers die by homicide than cops.
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/cfoi.pdf


Face it, they've jumped the Police-Safety shark a long time ago. They are literally getting away with murder, covering it up, lying in the media, and in court. Trust them at your own risk!

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Re: More details in Fairfax cop killing of John Geer
Posted by: TypicalCopReply ()
Date: September 09, 2014 07:54AM

your an idiot Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> sounds like Pervak doesnt like cops. thats what
> happens when you commit crimes or drive like an
> idiot. civilian oversights are stupid. one, they
> dont know the law, and two its real easy to pass
> judgement when they dont know what its like to be
> a cop, then get to analyze an event from the
> safety of their office and have all the time in
> the world to do it, when cops have to make split
> second decisions. if there was wrong doing, the
> feds will say there was when their investigation
> is complete. feds do not sweep things under the
> rug because its a police department. they take
> their time doing an investigation though, just
> like every other federal govt agency. atleast the
> comm atty made a decision to have the feds look at
> it when he couldnt decide if their was wrong doing
> or not. thats a decision that has to be the right
> one because it effects alot of people.

AMAZING how typical all these cops responses are to this Murder by Cop incident. "You don't have any idea how difficult our job is!" DUDE you work in Fairfax County! This is not DC, or South LA. Don't try and play this like the guy had to make a life or death decision in a split second. He had his gun trained on him for at least an hour. The guy had NO GUN, AGAIN NO GUN! He was standing in his doorway and the cop shoot him in the chest. The worst thing is they left him in his house to bleed out for an hour before they entered the home. All you cops do by trying to justify this illegal shooting is making the FCPD look like idiots! Anyone with half a brain knows this guy fucked up and the delay to justice makes every law abiding Fairfax citizen wonder how corrupt is the FCPD?

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Re: More details in Fairfax cop killing of John Geer
Posted by: CriminalCopReply ()
Date: September 09, 2014 08:52AM

TypicalCopReply Wrote:
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> your an idiot Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > sounds like Pervak doesnt like cops. thats what
> > happens when you commit crimes or drive like an
> > idiot. civilian oversights are stupid. one,
> they
> > dont know the law, and two its real easy to
> pass
> > judgement when they dont know what its like to
> be
> > a cop, then get to analyze an event from the
> > safety of their office and have all the time in
> > the world to do it, when cops have to make
> split
> > second decisions. if there was wrong doing, the
> > feds will say there was when their
> investigation
> > is complete. feds do not sweep things under the
> > rug because its a police department. they take
> > their time doing an investigation though, just
> > like every other federal govt agency. atleast
> the
> > comm atty made a decision to have the feds look
> at
> > it when he couldnt decide if their was wrong
> doing
> > or not. thats a decision that has to be the
> right
> > one because it effects alot of people.
>
> AMAZING how typical all these cops responses are
> to this Murder by Cop incident. "You don't have
> any idea how difficult our job is!" DUDE you work
> in Fairfax County! This is not DC, or South LA.
> Don't try and play this like the guy had to make a
> life or death decision in a split second. He had
> his gun trained on him for at least an hour. The
> guy had NO GUN, AGAIN NO GUN! He was standing in
> his doorway and the cop shoot him in the chest.
> The worst thing is they left him in his house to
> bleed out for an hour before they entered the
> home. All you cops do by trying to justify this
> illegal shooting is making the FCPD look like
> idiots! Anyone with half a brain knows this guy
> fucked up and the delay to justice makes every law
> abiding Fairfax citizen wonder how corrupt is the
> FCPD?

I agree with all your points, but the input from "your an idiot" (hilarious irony btw) is even worse than you articulated:
- Most cops don't know much at all about law. They aren't expected to be lawyers. Speaking of lawyers, why not mandate that one be placed on the Civilian Oversight Board?! That's a freebie, my consulting fee kicks in when I need my 4th-grade education.
- John Geer wasn't only unarmed. By all accounts, he had his hands up and resting on HIS own door when he was shot.
- Cops do make split-second decisions. The cop who didn't shoot (the one with "perjury issues" according to WaPo) had to make a split-second decision. The decision was not to follow-up the illegal shot. That NEVER happens when cops are in actual danger. This is the key piece of damning evidence for Officer John Doe #1 Shooter. Whether that's a mistake or craven criminality, he'll have to answer for that.
- A non-split-second decision was to wait an HOUR for the TANK to come before rescuing John Geer from the cop's bad-shot. Instead of owning up to their mistakes like human beings, the entire group of cops who were on-scene cowardly decided to let him bleed out in his foyer. After they were sure John Geer died of blood loss and the FCPD tank showed up, making their point of who was boss, they finally put boots down into his home.
- The cops left his lifeless body in the foyer for 5 hours. Enough said.
- "At least the comm atty made a decision to have the feds look at it when he couldnt decide if their was wrong doing or not". MISLEADING: What actually happened was the police refused to give the Commonwealth's Attorney the evidence he was asking for. Gotta love that Blue Wall, right Sarge? Read Tom Jackman's series on Geer's death in WaPo.

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Re: More details in Fairfax cop killing of John Geer
Posted by: here are a few ()
Date: September 09, 2014 10:17AM

watching too much TV Wrote:
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> Pervak Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The message to all is that you should not call
> a
> > cop unless you think that someone's life is
> > literally at risk. Cops in Fairfax and around
> the
> > region are simply trigger happy -- and there is
> no
> > penalty for preferring to shoot rather than
> trying
> > to de-escalate. Cops will always claim that
> their
> > life was threatened, that there was a
> "possible"
> > gun, a knife, or some physical threat that
> > required them to kill.
> >
> > And, of course, for their own "safety" they
> could
> > not be bothered here to check on the guy they
> > shot. It is all about the cop's safety, not
> the
> > safety of the private citizen. Given all the
> focus
> > on police safety you would think they were
> > defenseless Girl Scouts or Salvation Army psalm
> > singers.
> >
> > I would not be surprised to hear that they even
> > planted a pistol near Greer's body.
> >
> > Too bad there is no civilian oversight board
> for
> > cops around here.
>
>
> An average of 120 cops are killed at work every
> year. Probably hard for someone like you to
> understand the concept of not making it home after
> a day of changing oil at the Goodyear but I'm
> guessing there are not too many life and death
> decisions (possibly for you as well) you have ever
> had to make in your life.

Here are some of them....

Single car vehicle accident:
http://www.odmp.org/officer/21912-deputy-sheriff-david-bubba-johnson

"Deputy Sheriff David Johnson was killed in a single vehicle crash on U.S. 41A Bypass at approximately 11:20 pm.

His patrol car left the roadway and struck a tree, causing him to suffer fatal injuries."


Read more: http://www.odmp.org/officer/21912-deputy-sheriff-david-bubba-johnson#ixzz3CpN54Zm5


Shot by another cop:
http://www.odmp.org/officer/21919-detective-sergeant-tom-smith

"The subject wanted in the initial search had already been taken into custody by another agency prior to the start of the search.


Single vehicle accident:

Animal Control Officer Eddie Hamer was killed in a single vehicle crash while responding to a call in Saulsbury.

The officer's department vehicle left the roadway and overturned near the intersection of Van Buren and West Fork Roads and he succumbed to his injuries at the scene.


Read more: http://www.odmp.org/officer/21930-animal-control-officer-eddie-maurice-hamer#ixzz3CpNiyF1t

Heart Attack:

Police Officer Marc Kelley suffered a fatal heart attack while responding to a fire alarm call at Verna McLean Hall on the Trinity University campus shortly before 3:00 pm.


Read more: http://www.odmp.org/officer/22048-police-officer-marc-uland-kelley#ixzz3CpO0bDyO

Heart Attack:

Deputy Sheriff Bryan Berger suffered a fatal heart attack while participating in physical training at the Rappahannock Regional Criminal Justice Academy in Fredericksburg, Virginia.

He was performing several exercises while warming up for officer survival exercises when he began to feel ill.

Read more: http://www.odmp.org/officer/22065-deputy-sheriff-bryan-marshall-berger#ixzz3CpOCe2Sm

Bus ran over him:

Special Deputy Marshal Frank McKnight succumbed to injuries sustained the previous day when he was struck by a transit bus outside of the U.S. District Courthouse in Providence, Rhode Island.

He was on duty and using a crosswalk between the courthouse and the John O. Pastore Building when the bus attempted a left turn and struck him.

Read more: http://www.odmp.org/officer/22086-special-deputy-marshal-frank-mcknight#ixzz3CpOT5j67

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Re: More details in Fairfax cop killing of John Geer
Posted by: RdFox ()
Date: September 09, 2014 10:34AM

Citizens can voice their negative opinions about the cops all they want, at least for now.

It won't do any good because the FFCO cops have their inflated salaries, pension plans, and a commonwealth attorney who protects them from accountability.

Watch out if you call them- you may get more than you bargained for like the woman in Springfield last year. The cops shot her unarmed partially non- compliant husband from 15 feet away and then ran a tank through her house.

Her husband will never throw her clothes out onto the front lawn again!

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Re: More details in Fairfax cop killing of John Geer
Posted by: Milf Fan ()
Date: September 09, 2014 05:02PM

Office Unfriendly Wrote:
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> We live in a Police State, as everyone now knows.
> Nothing we can do about it as our politicians
> (local and federal) are all bought by the highest
> bidders. Once you give the government power you
> can never get it back.
>
> The mission of the police used to be "serve and
> protect." Now it's "search and destroy."
>
> Land of the free? Keep thinking that.

My family fled Ukraine and Germany in the 1930s and 1940s because of what was occuring. If they were around today they would be appalled at your frivilous use of the term "police state." You have no concept of what a police state is. If you are so inclined to experience one I'm sure you'd enjoy Russia or China. Otherwise you only sound like an entitled, spoiled, whiny brat when you try to compare Fairfax or the USA to a "Police state."

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Re: More details in Fairfax cop killing of John Geer
Posted by: zagreb ()
Date: September 09, 2014 05:17PM

Milf Fan Wrote:
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> Office Unfriendly Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > We live in a Police State, as everyone now
> knows.
> > Nothing we can do about it as our politicians
> > (local and federal) are all bought by the
> highest
> > bidders. Once you give the government power you
> > can never get it back.
> >
> > The mission of the police used to be "serve and
> > protect." Now it's "search and destroy."
> >
> > Land of the free? Keep thinking that.
>
> My family fled Ukraine and Germany in the 1930s
> and 1940s because of what was occuring. If they
> were around today they would be appalled at your
> frivilous use of the term "police state." You
> have no concept of what a police state is. If you
> are so inclined to experience one I'm sure you'd
> enjoy Russia or China. Otherwise you only sound
> like an entitled, spoiled, whiny brat when you try
> to compare Fairfax or the USA to a "Police state."


It is the American way, and right, to voice opinions.

I am sorry if Ukraine may have sucked for you and your family.

I want my country to be the best...just because there is a sh**ier place and time out there, doesn't mean we need to be called "entitled, spoiled, whiny brat" when we voice our opinions here about something that is not right or up to OUR standards.

Perhaps "police state" is too strong a word when compared to some half rate hell hole from many years ago, but, if you were the family or neighbors of some of these victims here, maybe you might find the term applicable to OUR standard of living and where it may have declined to.

Someone may consider YOU un-American for attacking those here who choose to exercise their right to voice their opinions...ever think of that?

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Re: More details in Fairfax cop killing of John Geer
Posted by: e9UFX ()
Date: September 09, 2014 05:30PM

'An average of 120 cops are killed at work every
> year. Probably hard for someone like you to
> understand the concept of not making it home after
> a day of changing oil at the Goodyear but I'm
> guessing there are not too many life and death
> decisions (possibly for you as well) you have ever
> had to make in your life."


Most cop deaths are from traffic accidents. As for it being a dangerous occupation, there are lots more dangerous ones - taxi driving is more dangerous, truck driving, logging, construction. The point is that we aren't expected to bow, scrape and defer to construction workers like we are to cops, and people in other dangerous occupations aren't going around killing unarmed civilians.

Once in a great while, probably never for most cops, does a cop ever actually rescue someone from a dangerous situation or do something heroic.

They're necessary, and they do hard, dirty work. I just don't understand why we have to take so much crap from them. And don't try to tell me that we don't.

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Re: More details in Fairfax cop killing of John Geer
Posted by: Buck ()
Date: September 09, 2014 07:33PM

>
> They're necessary, and they do hard, dirty work.
> I just don't understand why we have to take so
> much crap from them. And don't try to tell me
> that we don't.


That they carry guns and we (assumedly) don't, is a game changer.

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Re: More details in Fairfax cop killing of John Geer
Posted by: REV AL ()
Date: November 28, 2014 03:52PM

fuck white boy happy his dead

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Re: More details in Fairfax cop killing of John Geer
Posted by: Bigdog ()
Date: December 02, 2014 04:16AM

Ok read the articles and the posts....gun was recovered inside the front door. Don't care either way but why does this sound more like a suicide by cop. Couldn't marry his baby momma, not happy she's moving out and wanted to prove his love to her by getting himself killed. He wouldn't come out to talk with cops that's his right. But did the cops go to his safe and throw down a gun at the scene?

Sucks but sounds like suicide by cop and the family is going to make a ton of cash for it.

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Re: More details in Fairfax cop killing of John Geer
Posted by: fracturedfairfax ()
Date: December 02, 2014 05:27AM

Bigdog Wrote:
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> Ok read the articles and the posts....gun was
> recovered inside the front door. Don't care either
> way but why does this sound more like a suicide by
> cop. Couldn't marry his baby momma, not happy
> she's moving out and wanted to prove his love to
> her by getting himself killed. He wouldn't come
> out to talk with cops that's his right. But did
> the cops go to his safe and throw down a gun at
> the scene?
>
> Sucks but sounds like suicide by cop and the
> family is going to make a ton of cash for it.

If it was in fact a suicide by cop, it should have fairly quickly been resolved as such. Just a few months back, some guy was shot (non-fatally) at the Methodist church in central Springfield, and the two cops involved were cleared in about six weeks.

Instead, we're now going on sixteen months and no one has explained how or why John Geer was shot.

Absolutely Nothing You Need to Know About Fairfax County

Fractured Fairfax

https://www.fracturedfairfax.com
Unnatural Deaths in Fairfax County Map


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Re: More details in Fairfax cop killing of John Geer
Posted by: Michael Brown ()
Date: December 02, 2014 07:21AM

Hands up, don't shoot.

What would happen if the whites of Springfield and Fairfax should riot? Would interstates be blocked? Would store fronts burn? Would CNN show up?

Would white preachers speak at public universities and tell parents to teach their babies to throw bottles like Molotov cocktails?

No justice! No peace!

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Re: More details in Fairfax cop killing of John Geer
Posted by: NoOneInParticular ()
Date: December 02, 2014 03:31PM

Bigdog Wrote:
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> ... But did the cops go to his safe and throw down a gun at
> the scene?
>
> Sucks but sounds like suicide by cop and the
> family is going to make a ton of cash for it.

The cops very well could have positioned Geer's gun close to his body. Given the 16 months of stonewalling from the ENTIRE department, this kind of talk is NOT idle conspiracy theorizing.

As to the Suicide-by-Cop? That doesn't make any sense. IF Geer's gun is within his reach AND he wants to provoke the cops to shoot, why wouldn't he pick up the gun and start waving it around? The fact that he stood for 50 minutes with his hands up proves to me this was no suicide attempt. Also, his response to being shot was to close his front door, a move the FCPD calls "barricading" himself. Again, not the sign of a man who wishes to die, but die he did.
Given the police refused to enter the house to provide aid after one officer mistakenly (I'll go ahead and assume) shot Geer, this is a murder.

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Re: More details in Fairfax cop killing of John Geer
Posted by: Bill.N. ()
Date: December 02, 2014 03:38PM

Michael Brown Wrote:
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> What would happen if the whites of Springfield and
> Fairfax should riot? Would interstates be
> blocked? Would store fronts burn? Would CNN show
> up?

That is what the police and prosecutors bet on; The indifference of the typical suburbanite to anything that does not affect them personally or financially. The reason police, prosecutors and police defense attorneys salivate over the idea of putting a bunch of white, middle class suburbanites in a jury box is that they know that despite all of the bitching about unjustified tickets, those suburbanites deep down see the police as their protectors from anarchy. This seems to be as true of your anti-government 2nd amendment tea party suburbanites as it is of your soccer moms.

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Re: More details in Fairfax cop killing of John Geer
Posted by: TLFv4 ()
Date: December 02, 2014 03:39PM

The old Commonwealth's Attorney, Democrat Robert Horan, was a real asshole.

He never indicted a cop, even the cops who commited crimes. He did do a warrant for reckless driving once for a cop who murdered Ashley McIntosh (reckless homicide can be defined as murder).

The current Commonwealth's Attorney, also a Democrat like Horan, is also a real asshole, and will protect cops.

You see, the Democrats run the cops around here.

Virginia needs to go back to being a red state.

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Re: More details in Fairfax cop killing of John Geer
Posted by: Geer and FFX ()
Date: December 02, 2014 03:55PM

"Virginia needs to go back to being a red state"

Except for the libertarian wing of the party, Rebublicans tend to side with law enforcement more than anyone.

Nearly two years later, and the Fairfax County police won't even cough up the names of the officers involved- not to the public or the man's family. Starts to make the police force in Ferguson look pretty good, eh?

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Re: More details in Fairfax cop killing of John Geer
Posted by: Fergie Schmergie ()
Date: December 02, 2014 07:12PM

After the attempted lynching of police by the thug mobs in Ferguson, I'd like to see the police take out more trash for us.

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Re: More details in Fairfax cop killing of John Geer
Posted by: your mistaken on facts ()
Date: December 02, 2014 07:35PM

Police were justified in killing here. The only unjustified killings by police are the killings of blacks. Just ask CNN. They always get right to the bottom of everything.

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Re: More details in Fairfax cop killing of John Geer
Posted by: hhvv ()
Date: December 02, 2014 07:37PM

Here = geer . damn auto correct

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Re: More details in Fairfax cop killing of John Geer
Posted by: you're ()
Date: December 02, 2014 07:39PM

Mistaken on spelling.

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Re: More details in Fairfax cop killing of John Geer
Posted by: yeah ()
Date: December 02, 2014 07:52PM

Usually am. But spelling isn't that important in most things. Now math....

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Re: More details in Fairfax cop killing of John Geer
Posted by: Math Is Important ()
Date: December 02, 2014 09:36PM

Good point on the math:
- 1 shot by an unnamed cop with unspecified personnel issues (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/local/wp/2014/07/08/ten-months-of-silence-in-the-fairfax-police-shooting-death-of-john-geer/)
- 1 officer who did not fire his weapon while standing next to the shooter may have prior perjury issues
- 0 laws broken by the victim (Geer)
- 50 minutes in which Geer was left to bleed-out like a wounded animal in the forest
- 1 Armored Bearcat assault vehicle with a turret-mounted battering ram used to bust down Geer's door before the cowards in FCPD would enter the home
- ?Who_Knows_How_Many? police standing around watching, participating, and then reviewing this case who REFUSE to out the shooter or any details about this case
+ ____________

That there adds up to a murder + a cover up class.

Any questions?

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Re: More details in Fairfax cop killing of John Geer
Posted by: Grassley is a Bitch ()
Date: December 02, 2014 10:20PM

Well the FCPD gave a big old middle finger to Senator Grassley:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/local/wp/2014/12/02/fairfax-county-police-respond-to-grassley-in-geer-shooting-reveal-little/

That punk from Iowa doesn't have the balls to take on FCPD!

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Re: More details in Fairfax cop killing of John Geer
Posted by: fuck the police ()
Date: December 02, 2014 10:33PM

So, the fcpd pigs got away with murder. If you don' t think we are in a police state, then you should probably kill yourself.

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Re: More details in Fairfax cop killing of John Geer
Posted by: YHXMY ()
Date: December 05, 2014 07:42AM

“Incredibly,” Grassley said in a statement Thursday, “it looks like the Fairfax County Police Department resisted the U.S. Attorney’s investigation and lost in court, though the details are unclear. While that explains some of the delay in the case, it doesn’t explain everything. Fortunately, the U.S. Attorney’s letter removes the excuse for not answering questions, since it clearly states that the police department is free to disclose information about the shooting. So, there is no reason to keep the family and the public in the dark. ”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/local/wp/2014/12/04/feds-say-fairfax-county-slowed-federal-investigation-of-john-geer-police-shooting/?hpid=z3

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Re: More details in Fairfax cop killing of John Geer
Posted by: Fairfax County thought ()
Date: December 05, 2014 07:46AM

“I suspect, but I don’t know,” said lawyer Michael Lieberman, who has sued the Fairfax police on behalf of Geer’s family, “that Fairfax County thought it had some kind of privilege or other reasons to withhold information from the grand jury, they went to court and my read is they lost and had to provide the information. There are other possibilities but they are so remote that this is the most logical one.”

Fairfax Supervisor Pat Herrity (R-Springfield) said of the Justice Department letter, “If the county attorney actually fought providing information and litigated it, I’m going to be very angry. The county shouldn’t be placing hurdles in front of the investigation, they need to be providing information so that the Justice Department can make the correct determination in a timely basis – we owe that to the officer and John Geer’s family.”

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Re: More details in Fairfax cop killing of John Geer
Posted by: yj9CE ()
Date: December 05, 2014 04:22PM

Geer, 46, had been drinking and there was a gun in his home on Pebble Brook Court in Springfield. The two patrol officers who stood 15 feet away knew this and spoke to him for about 50 minutes, before Geer started to slide his hands down the frame of the doorway from over his head. One of the officers fired once into Geer’s chest, Geer turned, closed the door and collapsed. The police then waited another hour before sending in first-aid for someone who had been shot almost point-blank in the chest. Geer was dead.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/local/wp/2014/07/08/ten-months-of-silence-in-the-fairfax-police-shooting-death-of-john-geer/

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Re: More details in Fairfax cop killing of John Geer
Posted by: U7My3 ()
Date: December 05, 2014 04:23PM


automatically - that's what the officer sees from the 911 computer on any call to your house


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Re: More details in Fairfax cop killing of John Geer
Posted by: YMvLb ()
Date: December 05, 2014 04:27PM



1) i suggest you buy a weapon quietly, without records, or illegally (assuming your an american eligible to own one). but also register with the NRA and get "field and stream" magazine. DO NOT give obama IT people any information that you own a weapon. why is because they have widely abused the information and privelages: they have lost it.

2) ACCORDING TO WASH POST the man was shot merely because he'd been talking to police 50 min. and could no longer have his hands up



i think it was a HIT JOB , the wife paid crooked police in fairfax county (who have a record for shooting unarmed people the county owes money to and etc)

IT WAS A HIT JOB

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Re: More details in Fairfax cop killing of John Geer
Posted by: 66DLV ()
Date: December 05, 2014 04:30PM

absolutely no way for cops to explain shooting an unarmed man having his hands up 50 min. i'm not indicating what penalty but i am indicating the wife is a greedy bitch looking for 12 Million and likely paid to have him killed. SHE CALLED THE POLICE TO THE HOUSE. she invoked the problem perhaps by intentionally pissing the man off / confusing him / conflicting messages / manipulative bitch maybe.

THE PROSECUTION CANNOT INDICATION THAT BECAUSE A MAN IS A REGISTERED WEAPON OWNER IS REASON TO SHOOT

ANY JUDGE ALLOWING THAT SHOULD BE SHOT

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Re: More details in Fairfax cop killing of John Geer
Posted by: dpVLe ()
Date: December 05, 2014 04:39PM

you know she probably already got an insurance payout


and she intends to get $12 million OUT OF YOUR POCKET DUMBASS

the officer doesn't have 12 mil that's obvious



so before you go blaming me the taxpayer for this death - that i owe her for allowing fairfax to hire the guy (my ass - i've been protesting bull-o-va foreigner controlled money funnelling facists)

CHECK YOUR FUCKING IDEA OF WHAT FAIRFAX IS REALLY ALL ABOUT FIRST

HIT JOBS AND MONEY ARE NOT OUT OF THE QUESTOIN - IT'S BEEN DONE BY IMPORTANT PEOPLE IN FAIRFAX. they are addicted to their control of the system and how well it's paying

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Re: More details in Fairfax cop killing of John Geer
Posted by: Dane Bramage ()
Date: December 05, 2014 06:57PM

We should protest and steal flat TVs and liquor.

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“We don’t have any rude, unpleasant people here. We’re different!”

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Re: More details in Fairfax cop killing of John Geer
Posted by: C7hXD ()
Date: December 05, 2014 07:27PM

His Civil Rights were violated.

Shopping time!

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Re: More details in Fairfax cop killing of John Geer
Posted by: 64TYH ()
Date: December 05, 2014 09:04PM

Herrity is all angry and disturbed now, a year later. Where has he been for a year now? This shit happened in his district and he has defended the cops at every turn. Now he's even pointing fingers at counsel when he should be publicly demanding that FCPD -- and specifically chief Edwin C. Roessler -- be open and up front with the FFX Co. attorney and Dept. of Justice. The DoJ has publicly stated that there is no reason FCPD/FFX Co. has to withhold any information about the incident, and that includes the names of the cops involved. Everybody knew Darren Wilson's name the day he shot Mike Brown; and even in New York with its famous thin blue line, Daniel Pantaleo is now infamous for killing Eric Garner. For Roessler and the county attorney (anybody know his/her name?) to keep withholding these cops' names is not a legal issue, it's a political one. I suspect some group like one of the police unions is making threats. Bunch of whiners and thugs they are.

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Re: More details in Fairfax cop killing of John Geer
Posted by: T ()
Date: December 06, 2014 05:34PM

There are eight district police stations in Fairfax County. Each district station is commanded by a captain, aided by a first lieutenant. Second lieutenants and sergeants

assigned to each district station command squads of patrol officers and detectives. District station postal addresses, telephone numbers, fax numbers, and website addresses

are published in a consistent fashion on the Fairfax County government-hosted district station websites, but district station commanders' names are not.

Fair Oaks: Captain John Naylor, Commander. 12300 Lee Jackson Memorial Highway Fairfax, VA 22033. Tel. 703-591-0966, fax 703-591-1032.

http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/police/stations/fairoaks/
Franconia: Captain Jeff Powell, Commander; First Lieutenant Dean Lay, Assistant Commander. 6121 Franconia Road
Alexandria, VA 22310. Tel. 703-922-0889, fax 703-719-6436. http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/police/stations/franconia/
West Springfield: Captain Kathleen Sefchick, Commander. 6140 Rolling Road Springfield, VA 22152. Tel. 703-644-7377, fax 703-912-6851. http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/police/stations/westspringfield/
Mason: Captain Carol Wilhite, Commander. 6507 Columbia Pike, Annandale, VA 22003. Tel. 703-256-8035, fax 703-658-9451. http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/police/stations/mason/
McLean: Captain Daniel Janickey, Commander. http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/police/stations/mclean/
Sully: Captain Ed O'Carroll, Commander (as of 2012). 4900 Stonecroft Boulevard, Chantilly, VA 20151. Tel. 703-814-7000, fax 703-814-7013. http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/police/stations/sully/
Reston: Captain Michael Wall, Commander. http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/police/stations/reston/
Mount Vernon: Captain Randy Joyce, Commander (undated information from southwoodcivic.com). 2511 Parkers Lane, Alexandria, VA 22306. Tel. 703-360-8400, fax 703-780-7279. http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/police/stations/mountvernon/

Map of police district station boundaries: http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/police/contact/maps/092413policeonlinemap.pdf

Each district has numbered subdivisions called service areas. Maps of police district service areas:

Fair Oaks: http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/police/contact/maps/map-fairoaksstation.pdf
Franconia: http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/police/contact/maps/map-franconiastation.pdf
West Springfield: http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/police/contact/maps/map-westspringfieldstation.pdf
Mason: http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/police/contact/maps/map-masonstation.pdf
McLean: http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/police/contact/maps/map-mcleanstation.pdf
Sully: http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/police/contact/maps/map-sullystation.pdf
Reston: http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/police/contact/maps/map-restonstation.pdf
Mount Vernon: http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/police/contact/maps/map-mtvernonstation.pdf

The FCPD maintains a blog at https://fcpdnews.wordpress.com/. Other than photos of dogs and cats, they publish their daily police blotter there, organized by district.

To report a non-emergency crime, call 703-691-2131. For emergencies, call 911.

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Re: More details in Fairfax cop killing of John Geer
Posted by: T ()
Date: December 06, 2014 05:35PM

fixed formatting issues.

There are eight district police stations in Fairfax County. Each district station is commanded by a captain, aided by a first lieutenant. Second lieutenants and sergeants assigned to each district station command squads of patrol officers and detectives. District station postal addresses, telephone numbers, fax numbers, and website addresses are published in a consistent fashion on the Fairfax County government-hosted district station websites, but district station commanders' names are not.

Fair Oaks: Captain John Naylor, Commander. 12300 Lee Jackson Memorial Highway Fairfax, VA 22033. Tel. 703-591-0966, fax 703-591-1032. http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/police/stations/fairoaks/
Franconia: Captain Jeff Powell, Commander; First Lieutenant Dean Lay, Assistant Commander. 6121 Franconia Road
Alexandria, VA 22310. Tel. 703-922-0889, fax 703-719-6436. http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/police/stations/franconia/
West Springfield: Captain Kathleen Sefchick, Commander. 6140 Rolling Road Springfield, VA 22152. Tel. 703-644-7377, fax 703-912-6851. http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/police/stations/westspringfield/
Mason: Captain Carol Wilhite, Commander. 6507 Columbia Pike, Annandale, VA 22003. Tel. 703-256-8035, fax 703-658-9451. http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/police/stations/mason/
McLean: Captain Daniel Janickey, Commander. http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/police/stations/mclean/
Sully: Captain Ed O'Carroll, Commander (as of 2012). 4900 Stonecroft Boulevard, Chantilly, VA 20151. Tel. 703-814-7000, fax 703-814-7013. http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/police/stations/sully/
Reston: Captain Michael Wall, Commander. http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/police/stations/reston/
Mount Vernon: Captain Randy Joyce, Commander (undated information from southwoodcivic.com). 2511 Parkers Lane, Alexandria, VA 22306. Tel. 703-360-8400, fax 703-780-7279. http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/police/stations/mountvernon/

Map of police district station boundaries: http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/police/contact/maps/092413policeonlinemap.pdf

Each district has numbered subdivisions called service areas. Maps of police district service areas:

Fair Oaks: http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/police/contact/maps/map-fairoaksstation.pdf
Franconia: http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/police/contact/maps/map-franconiastation.pdf
West Springfield: http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/police/contact/maps/map-westspringfieldstation.pdf
Mason: http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/police/contact/maps/map-masonstation.pdf
McLean: http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/police/contact/maps/map-mcleanstation.pdf
Sully: http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/police/contact/maps/map-sullystation.pdf
Reston: http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/police/contact/maps/map-restonstation.pdf
Mount Vernon: http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/police/contact/maps/map-mtvernonstation.pdf

The FCPD maintains a blog at https://fcpdnews.wordpress.com/. Other than photos of dogs and cats, they publish their daily police blotter there, organized by district.

To report a non-emergency crime, call 703-691-2131. For emergencies, call 911.

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Posted by: THats Old ()
Date: December 06, 2014 10:51PM

T Wrote:
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> fixed formatting issues.
>
> There are eight district police stations in
> Fairfax County. Each district station is commanded
> by a captain, aided by a first lieutenant. Second
> lieutenants and sergeants assigned to each
> district station command squads of patrol officers
> and detectives. District station postal addresses,
> telephone numbers, fax numbers, and website
> addresses are published in a consistent fashion on
> the Fairfax County government-hosted district
> station websites, but district station commanders'
> names are not.
>
> Fair Oaks: Captain John Naylor, Commander. 12300
> Lee Jackson Memorial Highway Fairfax, VA 22033.
> Tel. 703-591-0966, fax 703-591-1032.
> http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/police/stations/fairo
> aks/
> Franconia: Captain Jeff Powell, Commander; First
> Lieutenant Dean Lay, Assistant Commander. 6121
> Franconia Road
> Alexandria, VA 22310. Tel. 703-922-0889, fax
> 703-719-6436.
> http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/police/stations/franc
> onia/
> West Springfield: Captain Kathleen Sefchick,
> Commander. 6140 Rolling Road Springfield, VA
> 22152. Tel. 703-644-7377, fax 703-912-6851.
> http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/police/stations/wests
> pringfield/
> Mason: Captain Carol Wilhite, Commander. 6507
> Columbia Pike, Annandale, VA 22003. Tel.
> 703-256-8035, fax 703-658-9451.
> http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/police/stations/mason
> /
> McLean: Captain Daniel Janickey, Commander.
> http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/police/stations/mclea
> n/
> Sully: Captain Ed O'Carroll, Commander (as of
> 2012). 4900 Stonecroft Boulevard, Chantilly, VA
> 20151. Tel. 703-814-7000, fax 703-814-7013.
> http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/police/stations/sully
> /
> Reston: Captain Michael Wall, Commander.
> http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/police/stations/resto
> n/
> Mount Vernon: Captain Randy Joyce, Commander
> (undated information from southwoodcivic.com).
> 2511 Parkers Lane, Alexandria, VA 22306. Tel.
> 703-360-8400, fax 703-780-7279.
> http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/police/stations/mount
> vernon/
>
> Map of police district station boundaries:
> http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/police/contact/maps/0
> 92413policeonlinemap.pdf
>
> Each district has numbered subdivisions called
> service areas. Maps of police district service
> areas:
>
> Fair Oaks:
> http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/police/contact/maps/m
> ap-fairoaksstation.pdf
> Franconia:
> http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/police/contact/maps/m
> ap-franconiastation.pdf
> West Springfield:
> http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/police/contact/maps/m
> ap-westspringfieldstation.pdf
> Mason:
> http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/police/contact/maps/m
> ap-masonstation.pdf
> McLean:
> http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/police/contact/maps/m
> ap-mcleanstation.pdf
> Sully:
> http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/police/contact/maps/m
> ap-sullystation.pdf
> Reston:
> http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/police/contact/maps/m
> ap-restonstation.pdf
> Mount Vernon:
> http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/police/contact/maps/m
> ap-mtvernonstation.pdf
>
> The FCPD maintains a blog at
> https://fcpdnews.wordpress.com/. Other than photos
> of dogs and cats, they publish their daily police
> blotter there, organized by district.
>
> To report a non-emergency crime, call
> 703-691-2131. For emergencies, call 911.

That must be an old list of Commanders. At least one or more do not even work for FCPD anymore.

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Date: December 07, 2014 09:10AM

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Re: More details in Fairfax cop killing of John Geer
Posted by: T ()
Date: December 07, 2014 01:44PM

@chuckhoffman thanks for updating that list. I used what I could find but some of the sources were undated neighborhood and HOA newsletters. The official FCPD websites didn't have that information.

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Posted by: Nice try but... ()
Date: December 07, 2014 09:00PM

T Wrote:
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> @chuckhoffman thanks for updating that list. I
> used what I could find but some of the sources
> were undated neighborhood and HOA newsletters. The
> official FCPD websites didn't have that
> information.


While it appears all of these people on his list are still employed by FCPD at least...the list is still wrong. The guy at my HOA meeting where I live is not listed. Said he was the new commander and that was a few months ago.

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Date: December 07, 2014 10:55PM

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Re: More details in Fairfax cop killing of John Geer
Posted by: T ()
Date: December 08, 2014 12:43AM

Jeezus, how fast do these positions turn over? And why can't they keep the information updated on the public website?

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Re: More details in Fairfax cop killing of John Geer
Posted by: Jordan P ()
Date: December 09, 2014 09:32PM

If he was Black the news AL sharptan will be here

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