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Best neighborhoods in Fairfax County
Posted by: ChrisS ()
Date: March 08, 2009 12:28AM

We're looking to move to the suburbs of Northern Virginia. Where are the best neighborhoods. We're looking into Burke, Springfield, Fairfax City, and some areas of Fairfax. We have young kids and would like to move into an area with good schools, nice parks, and safe neighborhoods (family friendly). So far the realtors we've contacted have been no help and since we are out of state we aren't able to visit the neighborhoods until May. Our pricerange is around 500k for a single family home.

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Re: Best neighborhoods in Fairfax County
Posted by: dahshiznat ()
Date: March 08, 2009 01:41AM

I have lived the past 5 years in Burke and I never want to leave...it's a great place for kids and families. We have tons of children aged from elementary school to high school. Crime is very rare. You're also conveniently located near Fairfax, 395/495/95, Burke Lake Park, Occoquan Regional Park and Fountainhead. Lake Braddock and Robinson are both great schools as well.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/08/2009 01:42AM by dahshiznat.

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Re: Best neighborhoods in Fairfax County
Posted by: spunky ()
Date: March 08, 2009 03:22AM

None of those schools ranked on the National List of Best Schools, except Jefferson, W.T.Woodson and a few other local ones (google the list and ck out the stats for the Dept. of Education). Maybe Robinson but much lower on the list.

Having once thought this county was ahead of it's time or on the cutting edge of what's good for the Nation, especially in regards to education, I would now choose a private education.

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Re: Best neighborhoods in Fairfax County
Posted by: Jackie-O! ()
Date: March 08, 2009 09:15AM

Orange Hunt, Rocky Run and what is the neighborhood where Deer Park E.S is? I know a few people that live over there and have never heard any complaints.

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Re: Best neighborhoods in Fairfax County
Posted by: Jackie-NO! ()
Date: March 08, 2009 09:18AM

Jackie-O! Wrote:
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> Orange Hunt, Rocky Run and what is the
> neighborhood where Deer Park E.S is? I know a
> few people that live over there and have never
> heard any complaints.


Don't move anywhere near Jackie-O, unless you want to live amongst ignorant people. If that's the case, you might as well move to Prince William.

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Re: Best neighborhoods in Fairfax County
Posted by: Billy Bowlegs ()
Date: March 08, 2009 09:48AM

The best criteria for judging how good a neighborhood in Fairfax is the BPSM index.
That is beaners per square mile. The lower the number the better the neighborhood.

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Re: Best neighborhoods in Fairfax County
Posted by: Jackie-O! ()
Date: March 08, 2009 09:55AM

Jackie-NO! Wrote:
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> Jackie-O! Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Orange Hunt, Rocky Run and what is the
> > neighborhood where Deer Park E.S is? I know a
> > few people that live over there and have never
> > heard any complaints.
>
>
> Don't move anywhere near Jackie-O, unless you want
> to live amongst ignorant people. If that's the
> case, you might as well move to Prince William.


And exactly where do I live oaktonmom?

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Re: Best neighborhoods in Fairfax County
Posted by: dono ()
Date: March 08, 2009 10:20AM

IN this area it really depends on where you will work. Quality of life is largely determined by your commute. Traffic can be horrible here if you commute at certain times and use certain roads. If you work in DC I would chose close in or better yet Arlington County - that is a great place to live. Working in Tysons - pick Great Falls or Oakton. Springfield, Burke and Annandale offer the best value for close-in suburban homes but can suffer from school and congestion issues.

If your workday schedule is something like 3am to 12 noon buy a couple acres out in haymarket - that is a 40 min commute at those times (more like 2-3 hrs rush hour). By the way rush hour here is expanded because of the huge number of govt. workers. Not sure about the morning but you can count on afternoon rush starting as early as 4:30 pm.

Look on a map, see where your job is and re-post asking 'where is the best place to live in Fairfax within a 30 min average commute of ______________.'

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Re: Best neighborhoods in Fairfax County
Posted by: Totally Anonymous ()
Date: March 08, 2009 11:12AM

Chris S,

I grew up in Fairfax County. The best way to find the best place to live is to look up the list of the best high schools within Fairfax County. I think you might be able to find the list on www.fairfaxcounty.gov. Stick with a house that goes to one of the top 6 or 7 high schools and you'll be fine.

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Re: Best neighborhoods in Fairfax County
Posted by: Eastsider ()
Date: March 08, 2009 11:30AM

Hybla Valley offers an excellent mix of culture, safety, and great schools. I have never heard a complaint from anyone who's lived there.

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Re: Best neighborhoods in Fairfax County
Posted by: Dr. Smith ()
Date: March 08, 2009 11:58AM

Warning, warning, danger, danger

You will not get any decent advice on this topic on this forum.

Either you will be steered to the worst parts of the county or to places well above your price range.

Or some 16-year-old will tell you why you should go to his high school - usually Oakton or Madison - full of acne-faced freshmen, beer-chugging sophomores, Lexus-driving juniors and thick-necked seniors.

Consider yourself warned.

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Re: Best neighborhoods in Fairfax County
Posted by: WestfieldDad ()
Date: March 08, 2009 12:33PM

Totally Anonymous Wrote:
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> Chris S,
>
> I grew up in Fairfax County. The best way to find
> the best place to live is to look up the list of
> the best high schools within Fairfax County. I
> think you might be able to find the list on
> www.fairfaxcounty.gov. Stick with a house that
> goes to one of the top 6 or 7 high schools and
> you'll be fine.

If you want to go to a particular ES/MS/HSes, make sure you buy fairly near the set of schools you want to go to or you might get redistricted to some school you didn't want. County-wide, there are several redistrictings every year. See the redistricting thread for recent fun on this topic.

Also, be aware of a couple other things -

1) While FCPS pretends to have HS pyramids, a number of ES/MS schools are split feeders at the ES/MS and/or the MS/HS boundaries.

2) If you think there's a reason to believe your kids are GT eligible or likely to be, GT starts in 3rd grade and runs through MS. FCPS has several levels of GT, but the one that matters for this discussion is "Level IV". At Level IV (about 12% at this point - used to be much lower %), the kids are in separate classes. There are two variations. 1) GT Centers - specific ESes/MSes bring together Level IV eligible kids from surrounding ESes/MSes and "Local Level IV" - starting about 8 years ago, some ESes started offering "Center equivalent" (your mileage may vary - some ES Local Level IV classes are nearly 100% center eligible, others may be 10% center eligible) separate classes - essentially tracking at the local ES. The GT Center pyramids don't correspond to the HS pyramids. Also, FCPS has traditionally bussed kids to the GT Centers, but given budget constraints, it looks like FCPS is going to stop bussing kids to Centers if there is a Local Level IV class and FCPS is adding more Local Level IV classes.

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Re: Best neighborhoods in Fairfax County
Posted by: Charger ()
Date: March 08, 2009 02:08PM

Dr. Smith Wrote:
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> Warning, warning, danger, danger

> Or some 16-year-old will tell you why you should
> go to his high school - usually Oakton or Madison
> - full of acne-faced freshmen, beer-chugging
> sophomores, Lexus-driving juniors and thick-necked
> seniors.
>
> Consider yourself warned.

Good post - but what about the guys at Oakton and Madison?

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Re: Best neighborhoods in Fairfax County
Posted by: vienner ()
Date: March 09, 2009 03:59PM

You'd have better luck getting your answers from site like this:

http://www.city-data.com/forum/northern-virginia/

This site is definitely not the place to ask those questions...

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Re: Best neighborhoods in Fairfax County
Posted by: evw ()
Date: March 09, 2009 04:33PM

Google "Top Schools in the US" Newsweek Mag. does a yearly survey on the top schools in the US and Fairfax county has a lot on the list, many in the top 5%.

If a realtor tells you all schools are the same, find another realtor.

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Re: Best neighborhoods in Fairfax County
Posted by: TomMadison ()
Date: March 09, 2009 04:45PM

Schools are part of the equation and anything in the top 1/3 of the ratings are still pretty good. There are differences between the #1 HS and #10 HS in terms of test scores, but there are more factors than that which should be considered. Plus, I don't know that the best ES necessarily line up with the best HS and there is something to be said for lower performing ES since they get a lot of attention and money and higher achieving students benefit along with everyone else.

I would also give consideration to where you might be working and the commute, degree of nearby planned development, access to roads like the FXCO Parkway, etc. All things considered there are probably only a handful of areas (e.g., Hybla Valley) where I would never recommend to someone, but so much of this is subjective.

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Re: Best neighborhoods in Fairfax County
Posted by: Lurker. ()
Date: March 09, 2009 04:45PM

I would probably choose Burke or the Clifton area. Oakton, Westfields, Chantilly, Sterling and Annadale areas are experiencing a population explosion and an influx of illegal immigrants. Burke offers good value.

Just about all of the Fairfax Schools offer the same education level. If you want the best school then you are looking at getting your kid into Thomas Jefferson.

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Re: Best neighborhoods in Fairfax County
Posted by: spunky ()
Date: March 09, 2009 06:41PM

ChrisS...I know of a 4-bedroom that's for sale in the Canterbury/Frost/Woodson school district, in your price range. Across the street from the neighborhood pool, tennis courts and wooded walking trails. 5 mins. to the beltway near Burke. Stay away from Hybla Valley.

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Re: Best neighborhoods in Fairfax County
Posted by: the station ()
Date: March 09, 2009 06:51PM

Sully Station in north Centreville is the best neighborhood in the entire county hands down.

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Re: Best neighborhoods in Fairfax County
Posted by: twocents ()
Date: March 09, 2009 07:26PM

Obviously, your best bet is the census designated area of "Mantua"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mantua,_Virginia

Education:
* Mantua Elementary School
* Fairhill Elementary School
* Frost Middle School
* Woodson High School
* Annandale NVCC Campus
* GMU Fairfax Campus

Location:
5 Minutes to 495
5 Minutes to 66
15 Minutes to 95
15-20 Minutes to Tysons
15-20 Minutes to Arlington
(All non-rush hour traveling times)

Amenities:
5 Minutes to INOVA Hospital
5 Minutes to 7-11
Large park area- Eakin Park
Baseball fields, soccer fields, public tennis courts-
Private swim and tennis club reserved for residents-
Private horse farm within neighborhood-
Several churches and synagogues within neighborhood-
Tree-filled areas and undeveloped land.


View Larger Map

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Re: Best neighborhoods in Fairfax County
Posted by: Mozart ()
Date: March 09, 2009 08:01PM

Mantua is a good choice, but you'll likely need to spend more than $500K for a nice house in the Mantua/Frost/Woodson pyramid. Houses in the lower $500s in this area likely will need a bit of TLC. IMHO, you'll get more for your money in Burke.

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Re: Best neighborhoods in Fairfax County
Posted by: dono ()
Date: March 09, 2009 08:17PM

Mozart is wrong - if you are pre-qualified for 50000 K you can write your own ticket for a 4 bedroom with 1/4 acre in very good shape. Its mega bargain time here in Fairfax!

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Re: Best neighborhoods in Fairfax County
Posted by: Eastsider ()
Date: March 09, 2009 08:35PM

Mantua is great...you can drill a well for your own gasoline.

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Re: Best neighborhoods in Fairfax County
Posted by: pedro rodriguez ()
Date: March 09, 2009 08:56PM

london towne no doubt about it homie

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Re: Best neighborhoods in Fairfax County
Posted by: free gas ()
Date: March 09, 2009 09:20PM

The gas problem is contained and in remission- blah

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Re: Best neighborhoods in Fairfax County
Posted by: Soccer Mom Real Estate Agent ()
Date: March 09, 2009 11:05PM

As you have probably seen on the real estate shows, the value of a house is directly proportional to the grades at the closet school.

Because we all know every house appraiser across the nation always interviews teachers and students at the nearest school before calculating a house value.

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Re: Best neighborhoods in Fairfax County
Posted by: ki ()
Date: March 10, 2009 12:55AM

is fx city desirable?

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Re: Best neighborhoods in Fairfax County
Posted by: HomeOwner ()
Date: March 10, 2009 01:43AM

The better areas of the county (with excellent schools) are expensive and for $500K, you can only get a townhouse. Are you set on getting a single family home for $500K? If not, you should consider Reston (any zip code), Herndon/Oak Hill (only 20171), Fairfax (22030, 22031, 22032, 22033) and Centreville (20120). You may be able to get a very old SF home in these areas for $500K.

As others have stated, the traffic situation is going from bad to worse. You should consider proximity to major roads. Some of the above areas will not only give you good accessibility but are also slated to get new metro stations in the next couple of years. See http://www.dullesmetro.com/

Research Fairfax county schools: http://boundary.fcps.edu/boundary/
Search Homes: http://www.homesdatabase.com/
Fairfax county assessments: http://icare.fairfaxcounty.gov/Search/GenericSearch.aspx?mode=ADDRESS

DON'T go to Loudon county. It is an upcoming areas. Infrastructure is not yet set up. Schools mediocre. Traffic is a nightmare.

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Re: Best neighborhoods in Fairfax County
Posted by: centreville ()
Date: March 10, 2009 05:46AM

Move to centreville. theres plenty of heroin to go around. we'll have your kids hooked in no time at all!

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Re: Best neighborhoods in Fairfax County
Posted by: Mozart ()
Date: March 10, 2009 10:52AM

dono Wrote:
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> Mozart is wrong - if you are pre-qualified for
> 50000 K you can write your own ticket for a 4
> bedroom with 1/4 acre in very good shape. Its
> mega bargain time here in Fairfax!

I haven't seen $500K houses in the Mantua district for sale that I'd consider to be in very good shape. Can you flag the MLS listing? Either I missed it or it needs a bit more TLC than you've acknowledged.

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Re: Best neighborhoods in Fairfax County
Posted by: spunky ()
Date: March 10, 2009 11:13AM

I always wondered why Mantua didn't put in sidewalks, nice little detail.

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Re: Best neighborhoods in Fairfax County
Posted by: FOE ()
Date: March 10, 2009 11:24AM

HomeOwner Wrote:
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> The better areas of the county (with excellent
> schools) are expensive and for $500K, you can only
> get a townhouse. Are you set on getting a single
> family home for $500K? If not, you should consider
> Reston (any zip code), Herndon/Oak Hill (only
> 20171), Fairfax (22030, 22031, 22032, 22033) and
> Centreville (20120). You may be able to get a very
> old SF home in these areas for $500K.
>
> As others have stated, the traffic situation is
> going from bad to worse. You should consider
> proximity to major roads. Some of the above areas
> will not only give you good accessibility but are
> also slated to get new metro stations in the next
> couple of years. See http://www.dullesmetro.com/
>
> Research Fairfax county schools:
> http://boundary.fcps.edu/boundary/
> Search Homes: http://www.homesdatabase.com/
> Fairfax county assessments:
> http://icare.fairfaxcounty.gov/Search/GenericSearc
> h.aspx?mode=ADDRESS
>
> DON'T go to Loudon county. It is an upcoming
> areas. Infrastructure is not yet set up. Schools
> mediocre. Traffic is a nightmare.



Fair Oaks Estates. Good neighborhood in your price range. Good schools. Close to major commute options and shopping.

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Re: Best neighborhoods in Fairfax County
Posted by: Jim15 ()
Date: March 10, 2009 01:26PM

If you decide to move into Fairfax County, do not move into the Virginia Run Community. There is always suspicious problems that arise from that area, and is a complete dump.

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Re: Best neighborhoods in Fairfax County
Posted by: notenuff ()
Date: March 10, 2009 02:50PM

For $500K I would think a double wide on the route 1 corridor would be available. $500K doesn't buy shit in a decent neighborhood.

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Re: Best neighborhoods in Fairfax County
Posted by: Bob in Southeast Loudoun ()
Date: March 10, 2009 03:23PM

"DON'T go to Loudon county. It is an upcoming areas. Infrastructure is not yet set up. Schools mediocre. Traffic is a nightmare."

Well, this is pretty poor advice. First of all, it's Loudoun, not Loudon. Second of all, it's got around 280,000 residents, which is not exactly "upcoming." Third, many of the schools are outstanding, just like in FFX. For example, my twins will be going to Pinebrook Elementary next fall. Why don't you check it out? It's about ten light years above mediocre.

Traffic can be bad but that's because the traffic in FFX is so horrific.

You'll get a lot more house for your $$, which is why we moved from 20151 to 20152.

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Re: Best neighborhoods in Fairfax County
Posted by: IWAC ()
Date: March 10, 2009 04:43PM

Some neighborhoods are prettier than others. The houses in Fairfax are OLD! Neighborhoods are old. The traffic in Fairfax City is horrible and parking lots tight. They've made improvements to the area, but most of the shopping centers are run down with lots of closing businesses. Everyone is looking for something different, but it's really hard to get a feel for any of these neighborhoods without driving through them. In your pricerange expect houses circa 1950-1980.

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Re: Best neighborhoods in Fairfax County
Posted by: OG ()
Date: March 10, 2009 10:55PM

Yo, Hagel Circle beez da shiznit son. U donno ya betta aks sumboddy.

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Re: Best neighborhoods in Fairfax County
Posted by: hormigo lopez ()
Date: March 10, 2009 11:06PM

SULY STATION

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Re: Best neighborhoods in Fairfax County
Posted by: Mom of four ()
Date: March 11, 2009 06:39AM

Vienna. Great town, with great town services, great schools, great sports, great playgrounds, great families.

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Re: Best neighborhoods in Fairfax County
Posted by: C ()
Date: March 11, 2009 11:39AM

Burke seems have less traffic than other areas - less conjestion overall which makes running errands and getting around town less stressful.

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Re: Best neighborhoods in Fairfax County
Posted by: 123 ()
Date: March 11, 2009 04:28PM

Mom of four Wrote:
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> Vienna. Great town, with great town services,
> great schools, great sports, great playgrounds,
> great families.


...and notoriously terrible traffic.

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Re: Best neighborhoods in Fairfax County
Posted by: EH ()
Date: March 11, 2009 04:58PM

No HOA's. That's why I live in Fairfax county. If you know the roads, traffic is not an issue.

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Re: Best neighborhoods in Fairfax County
Posted by: Mike ()
Date: March 12, 2009 09:39AM

EH Wrote:
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> No HOA's. That's why I live in Fairfax county.
> If you know the roads, traffic is not an issue.

Plenty of neighborhoods have HOA's in Fairfax County. And though you can take side roads and vary your routes, traffic is inevitable around here. Parking lots are a mess. I find Vienna to be one of the more congested areas.

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Re: Best neighborhoods in Fairfax County
Posted by: Mantua ()
Date: March 12, 2009 10:27AM

free gas Wrote:
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> The gas problem is contained and in remission-
> blah

Not exactly true. The huge leak from the neighboring tank farm remains under many homes. Some were condemned, bought by realtors, held as rentals until the news died down, then sold at excellent profit. My realtor friend did just that which is how I know.

There's also the "Mantua attitude" which involves letting every new aquaintance know your professional status and which politicians you know within 5 minutes of meeting.

Mantua Elementary School is overcrowded and has high teacher turnover -- some stay a long time, but great new teachers leave after two years. I don't know why, but it could be the overbearing parents who drive them away.

If you want Woodson for a high school, look to one of the smaller elementary schools in a "normal" neighborhood.

That's my opinion... let the flaming begin.

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Re: Best neighborhoods in Fairfax County
Posted by: Reston and Traffic ()
Date: March 12, 2009 10:33AM

I would say the worst areas for traffic during rush hour are 123 thru Vienna, FFX County Parkway, Reston Parkway, Dulles Toll Road and RT 7.

Reston has some nice features from the HOA, such as 20 pools, tennis courts, paved pathways, three lakes for boating, protected wetlands and woods. You can use any of the 20 pools free. The pathways are nice, but in the bads areas there have been some crimes on the pathways. Reston Town Center is an upscale dinner and community meeting area; includes an outdoor ice rink in the winter.

Reston will soon have the new metro silver line, so real estate values are now surging.

Reston is split between low income Apts and a rich retirement community.

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Re: Best neighborhoods in Fairfax County
Posted by: dono ()
Date: March 12, 2009 10:58AM

Mozart Wrote:
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> dono Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Mozart is wrong - if you are pre-qualified for
> > 50000 K you can write your own ticket for a 4
> > bedroom with 1/4 acre in very good shape. Its
> > mega bargain time here in Fairfax!
>
> I haven't seen $500K houses in the Mantua district
> for sale that I'd consider to be in very good
> shape. Can you flag the MLS listing? Either I
> missed it or it needs a bit more TLC than you've
> acknowledged.


Ah Mantua, didnt note that. Mozart is closer to correct than me there. I still think you can do fine w/500k but I wouldnt say there are tons of houses for sale in that range. It has great schools and it is very attractive.

Also please do some research on the Mantua Gas Spill in around 1990ish. A tank farm up hill from this subdivision had a large leak and a lot of gasoline leached into the ground water in Mantua. Houses had to be evacuated and abatement measures implemented. Now almost 19 years later most of the abatement is finished BUT I have a friend that works on the children's oncology ward of Fairfax Hospital and she claims she sees a disproportionate number of patients with cancer from the Mantua subdivision. If I chose to live there I would locate as high and far away from the effected areas as possible.

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Re: Best neighborhoods in Fairfax County
Posted by: VAViking ()
Date: March 27, 2009 02:59AM

Buy the school first, then the neighborhood and then the house.

Neighborhoods I know (and love/hate).

Burke (22015) - good schools (Robinson/Lake Braddock). I believe they were renovated recently. Outside of a bunch of beer-guzzling girl soccer players, I haven't read/heard much about any gang activity in those schools. Traffic sucks the big one.

West Springfield (22152) - good school (West Springfield) that's falling apart. I haven't read/heard about any gang activity there, but it's possible. You also have a VRE station close by. You have a lot of nice neighborhoods in the area BUT you would be close to North Springfield (22150/22151) - Gang-Banger Central. Avoid Lee and Edison at all costs.

You can get a pretty decent 3-5 bedroom house either in Burke or West Springfield for around $350,000 - 500,000 without any HOA crap.

Centreville (20120) - a few years ago I would have picked this as a first choice, but not any longer. There is a lot of crap going down at Westfield. I would not want my child going to that school under any circumstances. From what I've read here and elsewhere, it's big with a lot of bored, rich kids who like to do drugs and play gangsta. I don't know if there are any REAL gang-bangers down there, but given the money floating around I suspect you have them circling the place like a bunch of sharks.

There has been gang activity reported in the Post and the Connection at Hayfield High School. It has been alleged (here) that Oakton, Chantilly, Lee, Edison and Jeb Stuart also have high gang activity. West Springfield, Lake Braddock and Robinson might also make that list, but I just don't know for sure. Like I said, I haven't heard/read anything about gangs at those schools.

If I had a teenager about to enter high school, I'd pick McLean High School. Look for neighborhoods that feed into it.

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Re: Best neighborhoods in Fairfax County
Posted by: fakeviking ()
Date: March 27, 2009 03:47AM

VA Viking? youre a shameful person. the vikings of virginia run feed into westfield. how about you go fuck yourself. i hope your kids get involved in heroin

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Re: Best neighborhoods in Fairfax County
Posted by: Shadow ()
Date: March 27, 2009 07:44AM

VAViking Wrote:
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> Buy the school first, then the neighborhood and
> then the house.
>
> Neighborhoods I know (and love/hate).
>
> Burke (22015) - good schools (Robinson/Lake
> Braddock). I believe they were renovated
> recently. Outside of a bunch of beer-guzzling
> girl soccer players, I haven't read/heard much
> about any gang activity in those schools. Traffic
> sucks the big one.
>
There is gang activity but it's minor. Drugs are readily available for those that are interested. Traffic sucks everywhere in Fx County.

> West Springfield (22152) - good school (West
> Springfield) that's falling apart. I haven't
> read/heard about any gang activity there, but it's
> possible. You also have a VRE station close by.
> You have a lot of nice neighborhoods in the area
> BUT you would be close to North Springfield
> (22150/22151) - Gang-Banger Central. Avoid Lee
> and Edison at all costs.

If in close you mean on the other side of the railroad tracks and in completely different school pyramids, then yes, they are close.

>
> You can get a pretty decent 3-5 bedroom house
> either in Burke or West Springfield for around
> $350,000 - 500,000 without any HOA crap.
>
No HOA in Burke? Are you on drugs? They wrote the book on nazi HOAs.

> Centreville (20120) - a few years ago I would have
> picked this as a first choice, but not any longer.
> There is a lot of crap going down at Westfield.
> I would not want my child going to that school
> under any circumstances. From what I've read here
> and elsewhere, it's big with a lot of bored, rich
> kids who like to do drugs and play gangsta. I
> don't know if there are any REAL gang-bangers down
> there, but given the money floating around I
> suspect you have them circling the place like a
> bunch of sharks.

Well, since a good portion of Centreville goes to Centreville High, that shouldnt be a problem, maybe it's only the VA Run area that goes to Westfield.
>
> There has been gang activity reported in the Post
> and the Connection at Hayfield High School. It
> has been alleged (here) that Oakton, Chantilly,
> Lee, Edison and Jeb Stuart also have high gang
> activity. West Springfield, Lake Braddock and
> Robinson might also make that list, but I just
> don't know for sure. Like I said, I haven't
> heard/read anything about gangs at those schools.
>
> If I had a teenager about to enter high school,
> I'd pick McLean High School. Look for
> neighborhoods that feed into it.

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Re: Best neighborhoods in Fairfax County
Posted by: MBF ()
Date: March 27, 2009 09:14AM

You can get a pretty decent 3-5 bedroom house
> either in Burke or West Springfield for around
> $350,000 - 500,000 without any HOA crap.
>
No HOA in Burke? Are you on drugs? They wrote the book on nazi HOAs.


Plenty of Burke is outside of Burke Centre, where the nazi HOA you're referencing exists.

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Re: Best neighborhoods in Fairfax County
Posted by: Shadow ()
Date: March 27, 2009 09:37AM

Yeah, there's always Lake Braddock, a really wonderful HOA area. Or maybe you're thinking of Signal Hill, oh wait, they have an HOA too. Then there's Lakepointe, oops, another HOA. Then there is Southport, also under HOA.

In actuality, there are a few homes without HOAs in the area, but they are few and far between. Most of the properties have been bought by developers and built up and given HOAs. Burke is one of the last places I'd look for a non-HOA home. There just aren't that many there. And West Springfield isn't much better though the HOAs there tend to be older and are less annoying.

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Re: Best neighborhoods in Fairfax County
Posted by: formerhick76 ()
Date: March 27, 2009 09:40AM

I'd use http://www.greatschools.net

http://www.greatschools.net/cgi-bin/cs_compare/va/?level=h&area=d&district=68&sortby=stars_newrating&tab=over&begin=0&showall=1

Here's all the HS in FCPS ordered by rank. You can also check the elementary and middle schools.

The ratings are based on SOL test scores and it includes other desirable info such as % of students on free/reduced lunch.

http://boundary.fcps.edu/boundary/

This gives you the schools for an address you're looking it. Typically if such info is not provided in the listing, the house is in a less desirable school area.

Also check the school zone maps (also on FCPS website). You may find you're on the edge of a school zone; in that case, check the neighboring schools.

Good luck.

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Re: Best neighborhoods in Fairfax County
Posted by: dono ()
Date: March 27, 2009 09:50AM

Ravensworth Farm does not have an HOA and is an excellent value with very good access to 495 and a magnet Elementary school.

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Re: Best neighborhoods in Fairfax County
Posted by: Lowlander ()
Date: March 27, 2009 02:18PM

VAViking Wrote:
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>
> There has been gang activity reported in the Post
> and the Connection at Hayfield High School. It
> has been alleged (here) that Oakton, Chantilly,
> Lee, Edison and Jeb Stuart also have high gang
> activity. West Springfield, Lake Braddock and
> Robinson might also make that list, but I just
> don't know for sure. Like I said, I haven't
> heard/read anything about gangs at those schools.
>
> If I had a teenager about to enter high school,
> I'd pick McLean High School. Look for
> neighborhoods that feed into it.



High gang activity at Oakton? News to me. I thought that school was full of rich white kids.

Anyway, what's with McLean HS if you're so concerned about gangs? Take a look at the Timber Lane area that goes to McLean first before you send Tripp and Suzie off to McLean High.

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Re: Best neighborhoods in Fairfax County
Posted by: HateMyHOA ()
Date: March 27, 2009 03:55PM

We loved Fairfax. Lived there for years. Then we moved to Va Run. It was a nice neighborhood with new homes and a lot of new families, schools, and shopping centers nearby. But the HOA is horrible. It's run by a bunch of jack-booted Nazi thugs. You could get in trouble for not having the "proper" storm door color. Seriously.


People have gone to court over the crap this HOA stirs up and they have won against the HOA..... but the HOA still continues to intimidate, harass, and hassle decent, hard working people. AND they spend our money fighting in court for the stupidest minor things. Don't move to Virginia Run. Your kids may get hooked on heroin while you're fighting the HOA.

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Re: Best neighborhoods in Fairfax County
Posted by: ValuTime ()
Date: March 27, 2009 04:05PM

There was never a ValuTime.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/30/2009 08:00PM by ValuTime.

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Re: Best neighborhoods in Fairfax County
Posted by: VAViking ()
Date: March 27, 2009 05:08PM

Geez, I've stirred up a hornet's nest.

Okay, let's start with Centreville (20120)

There is a lot more neighborhoods tied to Westfield then VA Run. Pleasant View, Sully Estates, Braddock Downs, and Country Club Manor also feed into Westfield. There are more, but those were the ones I double checked. Remember, FCPS has been rejiggering the lines and pulling kids out Centreville High and sending them to Westfield.

I stand by what I said about Westfield High School. It wasn't a bunch of current and former kids from Lee High School that got busted dealing heroin, it was Westfield. Based on what's been posted here in the FU and elsewhere, I suspect that Westfield has a serious drug problem.

HOA's - Okay, basic rule of thumb is that any single-detached housing development built before the mid 70s doesn't have a HOA. I am not talking about townhouses or condos. There are a lot of non-HOAs all over Fairfax, particularly in Burke and West Springfield. And yes, HOAs in Burke and elsewhere are a bunch of Nazis. The HOA in Charlestown threw a cow when a friend of mine put up a pink plastic flamingo in his bushes.

North Springfield/Gang-Banger Central(22150/22151) - Yes, you are right that they are in a different pyramid, etc. BUT, I wouldn't necessarily describe it as on the other side of the tracks. It's just up Old Keene Mill Road. And it's getting worse and creeping west towards West Springfield and north towards Annandale. Plus, it's headed towards Burke as well. I just saw some MS-13 gang tags at Burke Town Plaza. I don't know if it was dumb ass kids or real MS-13, but it is pissing me off.

I didn't know about McLean and, like I said, I read about possible gang influence in Oakton in the FU.

>"It has been alleged (here) that Oakton, Chantilly, Lee, Edison and Jeb Stuart >also have high gang activity."

One other thing, if I was in the market for a house in Fairfax, I'd check out the foreclosure listings. You'd be surprised what you can get for 500K if you have the money and are all ready pre-approved. But, check the schools out first and you need to look at more then just their test scores.

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Re: Best neighborhoods in Fairfax County
Posted by: Tery ()
Date: April 02, 2009 08:18PM

VAViking has it right...in the above.

Stay away from Springfield ...loaded with beaners, mostly illegal and high crime rate.
McLean is your best bet...but you won't have much of a house, but at least you will be in a decent area

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Re: Best neighborhoods in Fairfax County
Posted by: kevin ()
Date: April 03, 2009 12:39AM

Robert E.Lee High school doesn't have a gang problem anymore, since 2005! Now it's full of preppy and emo kids.
I know that because i went there and graduated in 2007.

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Re: Best neighborhoods in Fairfax County
Posted by: nellie ()
Date: April 07, 2009 09:02PM

If I could live my life over, I would chose Falls Church CITY

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Re: Best neighborhoods in Fairfax County
Posted by: Looly ()
Date: April 07, 2009 09:34PM

Oakton is also the new place for beaners to hang out. Lately it's like somebody opened up the flood gates. They are buying up huge houses and then putting like four families in the house. The county doesn't care either.

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Re: Best neighborhoods in Fairfax County
Posted by: Anonymous Poster ()
Date: April 08, 2009 09:56AM

That is not true what Looly wrote in the previous post. I've lived here for several years. Oakton is a great place to live and there are great schools here. Besides, I'm tired of people calling them beaners. If you mean Mexican, or any other individual country, say the country. I find it unbelievable how people think they can put down Mexicans just because they are the newest immigrants, whether legal or illegal.

Looly wrote:

"Oakton is also the new place for beaners to hang out. Lately it's like somebody opened up the flood gates. They are buying up huge houses and then putting like four families in the house. The county doesn't care either."

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Re: Best neighborhoods in Fairfax County
Posted by: Looly ()
Date: April 08, 2009 11:01AM

Anonymous Poster Wrote:
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> That is not true what Looly wrote in the previous
> post. I've lived here for several years. Oakton
> is a great place to live and there are great
> schools here. Besides, I'm tired of people
> calling them beaners. If you mean Mexican, or any
> other individual country, say the country. I find
> it unbelievable how people think they can put down
> Mexicans just because they are the newest
> immigrants, whether legal or illegal.
>
> Looly wrote:
>
> "Oakton is also the new place for beaners to hang
> out. Lately it's like somebody opened up the flood
> gates. They are buying up huge houses and then
> putting like four families in the house. The
> county doesn't care either."

I suggest you get your perscription re-done on your glasses. Your driving not around like this are u?

Oakton is certainly getting invading by beaners!

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Re: Best neighborhoods in Fairfax County
Posted by: Prada Denim ()
Date: April 08, 2009 11:08AM

I don't think any single neighborhood can be described as "best." They all have their pros and cons.

I moved beside the Vienna Metro about a year ago, thinking how convenient it would be to Tyson's, route 66, and of course, the metro. BUT, you get the noise and crippling congestion every morning and evening. I though being beside Vienna would be a plus for low crime, BUT being beside the metro brings riff-raff. A couple of years ago the houses in my area were plagued with invasions and muggings all traced back to riff-raff that had used the metro to get to Vienna.

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Re: Best neighborhoods in Fairfax County
Posted by: Lippy ()
Date: April 08, 2009 02:49PM

Prada Denim Wrote:
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> I don't think any single neighborhood can be
> described as "best." They all have their pros and
> cons.
>
> I moved beside the Vienna Metro about a year ago,
> thinking how convenient it would be to Tyson's,
> route 66, and of course, the metro. BUT, you get
> the noise and crippling congestion every morning
> and evening. I though being beside Vienna would be
> a plus for low crime, BUT being beside the metro
> brings riff-raff. A couple of years ago the houses
> in my area were plagued with invasions and
> muggings all traced back to riff-raff that had
> used the metro to get to Vienna.

I'd say it has to do with a circle you can draw around the beltway that is slowly expanding out. In that ring you find custodian types blue collars that can't afford to live in the city, but can't afford to drive in from good neighborhoods and new developments, so they end up in cheap housing and apartments around the beltway. As DC grows so does that ring.

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Re: Best neighborhoods in Fairfax County
Posted by: Prada Denim ()
Date: April 08, 2009 10:00PM

Blue collar doesn't automatically mean "riff raff." There can be low cost/low income areas that are neat, clean, and decent to live in. Its just that the metro brings certain criminal elements that wouldn't have existed before.

However as cost of living increases in heavily populated areas, how do the "essential" people afford to live? How do all the firefighter, teachers, police, and paramedics manage to stay in Fairfax?

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Re: Best neighborhoods in Fairfax County
Posted by: Sunshiny ()
Date: December 15, 2010 04:08PM

The "disproportionate" number of children in the oncology ward may be due more to the fact that Mantua is an unusually large subdivision, (over 1,500 homes), and therefore an unusually large sample size. So, this may be a matter of perception, more than anything, (add to that the fact that people recognize the "Mantua"name). Actually, there have been only 2 cases of children with cancer in recent years, and neither of those were from the area of the spill.

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Re: Best neighborhoods in Fairfax County
Posted by: Sunshiny ()
Date: December 15, 2010 04:19PM

Mantua Wrote:
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> free gas Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The gas problem is contained and in remission-
> > blah
>
> Not exactly true. The huge leak from the
> neighboring tank farm remains under many homes.
> Some were condemned, bought by realtors, held as
> rentals until the news died down, then sold at
> excellent profit. My realtor friend did just that
> which is how I know.
>
> There's also the "Mantua attitude" which involves
> letting every new aquaintance know your
> professional status and which politicians you know
> within 5 minutes of meeting.
>
> Mantua Elementary School is overcrowded and has
> high teacher turnover -- some stay a long time,
> but great new teachers leave after two years. I
> don't know why, but it could be the overbearing
> parents who drive them away.
>
> If you want Woodson for a high school, look to one
> of the smaller elementary schools in a "normal"
> neighborhood.
>
> That's my opinion... let the flaming begin.

No flaming, just chuckling. There are those with such an "attitude", though they are few and far between. As for the spill, as another poster points out, it was a very long time ago and was limted to a very small area of this huge subdivision and has long since been cleaned up. Not sure what's not "normal" about the neighborhood.....

As far as the school goes, it is large, indeed, though they do an excellent job of making it feel smaller than its size. The reasons for its large size is that it's a GT center as well as the County center for the hearing impaired program. No high rate of teacher turnover, as you say. Every one of my son's teachers is still there, years later. Not sure where you're getting your information.

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Re: Best neighborhoods in Fairfax County
Posted by: KK ()
Date: December 15, 2010 04:43PM

Best neighborhood in the county is Gum Springs, by far!!!!!!! Has it all, near RT.1, so getting into town is not bad, plenty of shopping, and is a historic area. Hospital next door, community pride, churches, everything

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Re: Best neighborhoods in Fairfax County
Posted by: Client 9 ()
Date: December 15, 2010 05:01PM

Prada Denim Wrote:
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> I don't think any single neighborhood can be
> described as "best." They all have their pros and
> cons.
>
> I moved beside the Vienna Metro about a year ago,
> thinking how convenient it would be to Tyson's,
> route 66, and of course, the metro. BUT, you get
> the noise and crippling congestion every morning
> and evening. I though being beside Vienna would be
> a plus for low crime, BUT being beside the metro
> brings riff-raff. A couple of years ago the houses
> in my area were plagued with invasions and
> muggings all traced back to riff-raff that had
> used the metro to get to Vienna.

About while back, there was a double murder at the town-homes adjacent to the Vienna Metro station.

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Re: Best neighborhoods in Fairfax County
Posted by: Yo Clifton ()
Date: December 17, 2010 11:05PM

You can actually get a house in Clifton for around $500K if you look around, plus you get some land and no HOAs, but the school is closing, so so much for that.

Personally, I love living down here in Clifton. Not all of us here live in ginormous houses, but it's wonderful down here no matter what your housing situation. You're not too far from the Parkway, and it might take a while more on your commute, but it's great out here.

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Re: Best neighborhoods in Fairfax County
Posted by: Clifton ()
Date: December 17, 2010 11:12PM

Here you go - in Clifton, under $500K and over an acre of land to boot:

http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/7471-Clifton-Road_Clifton_VA_20124_M57039-32626

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Re: Best neighborhoods in Fairfax County
Posted by: RUFUSS ()
Date: December 18, 2010 01:15PM

BURKE CENTRE

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Re: Best neighborhoods in Fairfax County
Posted by: Fairfax dweller ()
Date: December 18, 2010 01:26PM

Penderbrook, near off Rt. 50 and Fairoaks Mall.

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Re: Best neighborhoods in Fairfax County
Posted by: lrrfan ()
Date: December 18, 2010 02:04PM

anywhere around Clifton, including Little Rocky Run, would be a great choice for you and your kids. check it out
littlerockyrunhoa.org
cliftonva.us
damonsellshomes.com

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Re: Best neighborhoods in Fairfax County
Posted by: The real place to go is ()
Date: December 18, 2010 02:13PM

The Sequoyah near Rt.1. Location, Location, Location!

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Re: Best neighborhoods in Fairfax County
Posted by: jeff000 ()
Date: December 18, 2010 02:54PM

FORGET fairfax co THE city falls church or arlington north side of rt 50

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Re: Best neighborhoods in Fairfax County
Posted by: NIH study ()
Date: December 18, 2010 03:33PM

The single most important factor in a child's academic success (according to this NIH study) is the reading level of the mother. The second most important factor(from ages 8-17) is the income level of the neighborhood.

I would buy take the 500K and do what the prevailing logic says---buy at the low end in the most expensive neighborhood you can get into.

http://www.nih.gov/news/health/oct2010/nichd-25.htm

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Re: Best neighborhoods in Fairfax County
Posted by: Bart Star ()
Date: December 18, 2010 08:23PM

Mom of four Wrote:
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> Vienna. Great town, with great town services,
> great schools, great sports, great playgrounds,
> great families.

...and don't forget....a horrendous high school football program.

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Re: Best neighborhoods in Fairfax County
Posted by: Elementary Scool...Where? ()
Date: December 18, 2010 08:25PM

lrrfan Wrote:
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> anywhere around Clifton, including Little Rocky
> Run, would be a great choice for you and your
> kids. check it out
> littlerockyrunhoa.org
> cliftonva.us
> damonsellshomes.com

Just don't move there unless your kinds are out of elementary school. They plan to bus those poor bastards to Springfield.

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Re: Best neighborhoods in Fairfax County
Posted by: FiveStroke ()
Date: December 20, 2010 02:03PM

I live in in the Frost/Woodson school area. It is the best bang for the buck. My kid goes to Wakefield Forest, but Canterbury Woods is also a great ES.

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Re: Best neighborhoods in Fairfax County
Posted by: Pedro Says ()
Date: December 20, 2010 03:46PM

Anonymous Poster Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> That is not true what Looly wrote in the previous
> post. I've lived here for several years. Oakton
> is a great place to live and there are great
> schools here. Besides, I'm tired of people
> calling them beaners. If you mean Mexican, or any
> other individual country, say the country. I find
> it unbelievable how people think they can put down
> Mexicans just because they are the newest
> immigrants, whether legal or illegal.
>


Pedro says, Let's move to Oakton and open a chicken joint to feed all the newly arriving beaners.

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Re: Best neighborhoods in Fairfax County
Posted by: Pat ()
Date: December 20, 2010 06:29PM

Mount Vernon has the best houses but the worst schools.

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Re: Best neighborhoods in Fairfax County
Posted by: Anywhere but.. ()
Date: December 20, 2010 07:59PM

Where Liz Bradsher or that Cassie chick lives.

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Re: Best neighborhoods in Fairfax County
Posted by: County ()
Date: December 20, 2010 09:37PM

Where does she live?

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Re: Best neighborhoods in Fairfax County
Posted by: never mind ()
Date: December 20, 2010 10:41PM

if you're looking for a great community with 2nd highest performing school in the county according to test scores, try Clifton. uh, actually, scratch that - sorry, but that school is closing thanks to the two chicks mentioned above.

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Re: Best neighborhoods in Fairfax County
Posted by: ThePackLeader ()
Date: December 21, 2010 11:29AM

My neighborhood is the best, because I live in it, and so do all the cool peeps I was raised with. Yeah, that's right.

==================================================================================================
"And if any women or children get their legs torn off, or faces caved in, well, it's tough shit for them." -2LT. Bert Stiles, 505th, 339th (On Berlin Bombardier Mission, 1944).

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Re: Best neighborhoods in Fairfax County
Posted by: Sorry to ChrisS ()
Date: December 21, 2010 09:56PM

Chris, you may regret having posted your question here. In fact, you may be second-guessing your move to this area (I would if I thought everyone here was as awful as what you are seeing). I would encourage you to find other ways to get the answers you need. But especially focus in on quality of life issues - all FCPS schools (even the "bad" ones - which usually have more students who are poor, and often those students struggle to achieve) rank better than most in the nation, so get beyond that to things like commute time, location of services (libraries, parks, grocery, post office), etc. Your price range means you can afford most anywhere. Good luck.

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Re: Best neighborhoods in Fairfax County
Posted by: Pat ()
Date: December 22, 2010 08:54PM

Fairfax County has got to do something about the illegal people that are coming into the county. We as a county have got to stop supporting them.

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Re: Best neighborhoods in Fairfax County
Posted by: virginia run ()
Date: December 23, 2010 06:42PM

Near virginia run.

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Re: Best neighborhoods in Fairfax County
Posted by: Fairfax, whre Jack Dale could give a shit ()
Date: December 23, 2010 09:02PM

Holy crap: Why do we as taxpayers put up with this? I know, we know we have no choice. Sharia laws are coming to a school near you!

Look at France, they sucked before but now they wish they had limited the number of Muslims coming into France.

America the home and the once free. Freedom is NOT free.

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Re: Best neighborhoods in Fairfax County
Posted by: Sarah Muska ()
Date: July 25, 2013 12:28AM

There is an other area "Kingstowne". New town in Springfield and Alexandria area but Fairfax county. It is new town close to Van Dorn Metro and Springfield metro. Great schools, town center, movie theater, shopping centers and shopping mall 395 highway and 495 beltway . Very family and friendly town.
We moved to this are 13 years ago. We have kids and love this area.
Good luck.

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Re: Best neighborhoods in Fairfax County
Posted by: Jon-Bob ()
Date: July 25, 2013 07:28AM

Timely post there, Sarah....

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Re: Best neighborhoods in Fairfax County
Posted by: Joe C ()
Date: July 25, 2013 07:35AM

Kingstowne is strange. Expensive homes but if you go to the shopping centers or movies there are lots of thugs handing out causing problems. I can only guess there are some areas of section 8 hidden away.

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Re: Best neighborhoods in Fairfax County
Posted by: mantutian ()
Date: July 25, 2013 12:36PM

Mantua has Woodson HS, but it also has cougars in the woods and even reported being seen by residents in the streets. True story--mantutians are the strangest.

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Re: Best neighborhoods in Fairfax County
Posted by: mantwut ()
Date: July 25, 2013 12:54PM

Guys please stop mentioned Mantua. This place is made up and not real. thanks.


Also, only people who feel for moving to Alexandria perpetuate that it's a good place to live. It's has a small old town area that's nice. Most of the rest of it is bleh to ghetto. Alexandria is NOT close to anything except National Airport. Sure you can be into DC in 10 minutes or less if there's no construction at 3am on a Tuesday.. otherwise your commute is worse than people who live 20 miles away. It's not close to anything else in Virginia. It's a quick hop to the Garylord (zzZzzz). Yeah Alexandria pretty much sucks.

I some how went off topic.. Mantuas is not real stop talking about it.

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Re: Best neighborhoods in Fairfax County
Posted by: wat? ()
Date: July 25, 2013 01:22PM

mantwut Wrote:
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> Guys please stop mentioned Mantua. This place is
> made up and not real. thanks.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mantua,_Virginia
http://www.mantua.org/
http://www.mantuaonline.com/
http://www.city-data.com/city/Mantua-Virginia.html
http://www.fcps.edu/MantuaES/
etc.

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Re: Best neighborhoods in Fairfax County
Posted by: no such thing ()
Date: July 25, 2013 05:37PM

wat? Wrote:
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> mantwut Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Guys please stop mentioned Mantua. This place
> is
> > made up and not real. thanks.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mantua,_Virginia
> http://www.mantua.org/
> http://www.mantuaonline.com/
> http://www.city-data.com/city/Mantua-Virginia.html
>
> http://www.fcps.edu/MantuaES/
> etc.

Those are all obviously fake sites. Even the Wikipedia article is made-up by a small group of conspirators who are attempting to create the illusion of a real place. Mantua does not exist in Fairfax County.

Those who claim Mantua is real need to produce a dead or living Mantuan. Otherwise their fake claims have no credibility without concrete evidence.

Does Mantua International Airport offer direct flights to Atlantis and Shangri-La?

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Re: Best neighborhoods in Fairfax County
Posted by: TerriC ()
Date: April 10, 2014 03:21AM

The subdivision where Deer Park elementary school is within, is called Country Club Manor. It is an amazing area, and I am very picky!

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Re: Best neighborhoods in Fairfax County
Posted by: REAL DEAL () ()
Date: April 10, 2014 08:55AM

Yo... Fack yo kids. buy within 5 miles of your work place. That's it.

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