Honestly your daughter was not as innocent as you say she is to the media all the time. You have been running a non-stop PR campaign for your family ever since her death. Why do you blame all of these other kids for your daughter shooting up heroin by herself in the middle of the night? For you to think that somebody said to her "here, try this heroin, it will help with your depression" is just ridiculous. Your daughter loved drugs, alcohol, and partying. She was not as innocent and naive as you are trying to make her out to be. Maybe you should have put the same effort into raising your daughter as you did trying to get all these other kids 20 year prison sentences for alicia's dumb ass mistake. It was HER fault.

Speak the truth!

WESTFIELDGRAD(not the heroin addicted kind) Wrote:
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> Honestly your daughter was not as innocent as you
> say she is to the media all the time. You have
> been running a non-stop PR campaign for your
> family ever since her death. Why do you blame all
> of these other kids for your daughter shooting up
> heroin by herself in the middle of the night? For
> you to think that somebody said to her "here, try
> this heroin, it will help with your depression" is
> just ridiculous. Your daughter loved drugs,
> alcohol, and partying. She was not as innocent
> and naive as you are trying to make her out to be.
> Maybe you should have put the same effort into
> raising your daughter as you did trying to get all
> these other kids 20 year prison sentences for
> alicia's dumb ass mistake. It was HER fault.



Would you like to add them to the biggest douche in fairfax poll?

Is this the Westfield HS forum? No? Oh I thought it was because it's saturated with crybabies and faux-gangsters who talk about high school all the time. And also they complain about dead teenage girls.

My mistake.

Let the dead rest.

I agree with Dono.

Perhaps all of us can use some humility, and use whatever the Lannes' are doing, to remind us of the dangers of drug abuse and not looking out for ourselves. And to take that extra step to help out young people when we can.

i understand that her parents are sad, and in times of tragedy you always look for someone to blame. but blaming people who were on her exact same level of addiction for something that she did to herself is ridiculous. i knew alicia and her family since the beginning of high school and they were are really nice people so i do feel bad for all of them. but alicia was a party girl before she started dating skylar, which included doing drugs. once she got addicted to heroin she sold it sometimes and shot other people up sometimes. tragically, she died from it, but it could have happened to any of them, so no one should be held more accountable than the other. guaranteed if skylar was the one who died, alicia would not be facing 50 years to life in jail.

WESTFIELDGRAD - eat some shit and stop being such an arrogant fagit. Let me guess, your between 20 and 25 and you know exactly how Alicia's parents are feeling. You have no freaken clue what it's like to lose a child, brother or sister, do you! I'm sure your response will be one of wisdon and experience about the great loss you have felt in your short pathetic life. Life has a funny way of catching up to us and based on your comments and insensitivity, I'm sure your creator is just waiting for the perfect time to stick your horrible comments up your ass. Why did you even start this post up again Jerk Off. Please tell us your reasons? Asshole!

Yes, I understand your point. But maybe the better way to put it is that Lannes family would be more effective if they recognized that their daughter, like everyone else, needed to accountable to take care of herself.

And your point is interesting as to the disparity in sentencing - perhaps if the young man who is still facing a very stiff sentence (the ones sentenced so far haven't exactly gotten off easy) was instead the deceased, the young woman may not be facing such a tough sentence. But that is speculative, and frankly, you indirectly raise another tough and intractable political issue - and that is of the incredibly long sentences we dole out for drug offenses, with yet little impact on the "war on drugs".

Let's not overlook the tragedy here. It is difficult enough for most of us to get through life's ups and downs, and fortunately, most of us find constructive ways of dealing with the downs - whether it be going to the gym, eating chocolate or burying oneself in work. But I can't imagine how a heroin addict does it - because the physiological and psychological pull is often so enormous - it has to be a great pain to have that in the back of your mind, all of the time. And hence even an accidental overdose ain't so accidental, depending on how you want to look at it. The Lannes's are obviously grieving like crazy, and may not be facing the facts in their entirety, but at some point I hope they can reach a point of balance over all this so they can help others.

I know this sounds a bit preachy - but don't intend it to. But whatever her flaws and her friends flaws, they were at some point potentially good young people that went off the rails. I would merely ask the Lannes' how they can help others stay on the rails - not sure castigating them is the best way to get them to help.

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It doesn't matter to me if this Lannes girl was a dope shooter herself or what kind of appetite for intoxicants she had, it is a tragedy. I understnad also that I'll never share the same grief her parents have for her. Because I don't necessarily like listening to it or other bad, depressing news is no reason to expect this family not to mourn. I am not sure I wouldn't want blood either..

People talk about the choices the deceased made.Yes, she made a choice at some point. Didn't know her personally but like myself and most of the friends I grew up with, we all started smoking and drinking way too early and by the time the hard shit became accessible, we had developed such a jaded attitude that we just weren't scared of it. It's been public knowledge for decades if not centuries that heroin is highly addictive and deadly. Why do new people try that shit everyday? I'm not opposed to working hard and playing hard, but there is no kind of hard work in the world that justifies putting poisons like heroin, crack and meth into your body.

I've lost a lot of friends to overdoses and while I respect the dead, it's such a pointless and wasteful way to exit.

WingNut - well said.

Still waiting for (WESTFIELDGRAD) to shed some profound experience on his insensitive comments. Though this isn't the point he/she still doesn't need to hurtful. And (donno is right) has some very good points that perhaps the Lannes family could spend more time helping other's from this horrible circle of death.

I also agree that (WingNuts) comments are all well "said" but I ask WinNut to concede that that he would want blood. I can assure you that you (we all would) want blood. Whether or not the Lannes family is going about it this late in the game in the best manner is up for debate. To want blood is in our nature - just like addiction.

InsideGuy Wrote:

> I also agree that (WingNuts) comments are all well
> "said" but I ask WinNut to concede that that he
> would want blood. I can assure you that you (we
> all would) want blood. Whether or not the Lannes
> family is going about it this late in the game in
> the best manner is up for debate. To want blood is
> in our nature - just like addiction.

I wasn't clear with the comment because I've never lost a daughter to OD. I probably WOULD want blood, but I wrote with a kind of double negative that wasn't that coherent.

The family probably realizes their daughter was sick, but that someone delivered the dope that killed her. The guys who sold it to her do deserve prison (and rehab) though if they were contrite, I don't think I'd want them doing life.
I think the 19 and 20 year sentences are way excessive, though there probably will be sentence reductions in the future for "cooperation".

WingNut - Yes 19 and 20 year sentences are excessive and doesn't serve the community nor does it bring back Alicia. Hopefully there lives won't be completely ruined in prison but I'm fairly certain that was the intent - right or wrong. When tragedy strikes a young person there is usually a profound message other's benefit from. For example, I had no idea that heroin was so prevelant in Fairfax County which begs the question of why the all too well funded FCPD can't do a better job decreasing this epidemic in the county. Another debate and another post. Hopefully the next young person who is contemplating an experimental shot in the arm of heroin has been reading these posts.

Peace to you!

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"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."



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Folks are a little off on this thread. Alicia Lannes' death was the catalyst for police scrutiny, but it's not why these kids finally got busted and are facing such stiff sentences and public scrutiny. Alicia died a year ago. If these cases were just about her bad decision to use and die, the arrests would have happened last Spring (not starting in November) and the sentences would be over. Instead, it looks like JR got busted right after her death and the neighborhood kids pitched in to keep dealing and causing deaths. The point to all this press and the number of arrests is that these kids would not stop!!

Papers are reporting 4 deaths (starting with Alicia) and all these kids are the dealers or suppliers (14 that we know about). We don't know how many users or how many juveniles were also arrested or spending time in rehab for this junk. What's even more shocking is that these kids weren't being propositioned by junkies on the corner, they sought heroin out and brought the junk into our neighborhoods. They then used other kids to support their own addictions. This is why the sentences are so stiff!!

I agree, these sentences are horrific for kids barely out of HS, but the fact that they didn't stop using/promoting/supplying this junk until the police intervened is even more horrific. Compound that with Schnippel, Shade and possibly others continuing to use after their arrests is just stupid!! Incredible denial is the scenario where Schnippel is using with new girlfriend(s) after his arrest and release on bond and THEN encouraging them to not talk to police about it. He had to know that he and the reported texter must be under surveillance if the police are questioning her. His original case was potentially the weakest and he was walking the streets on bond with a good shot at a future. He threw all that away with more partying and a continued denial of personal responsibility for promoting the use of this drug. Nothing was going to stop his string of poor behavior except extreme intervention!

There would be little or no case against most of these kids if they had just stopped. It's rumored that some of these kids eventually did, but not before they did enough dealing to get noticed and tracked by the police. The Lannes' are helping the community police to stop the bleeding that was still occurring under the fabric of our quiet streets last Fall (and maybe even now). We can't start healing in this community until the bleeding stops, so I think the Lannes' efforts are very appropriate. Imagine being a grieving parent and then having to watch her friends keep dying from the same thing, too. I think you would act in a very similar fashion once you decided that enough was enough!!

Also, as for the sentences, read the latest Centreview for more info on how these kids are getting special support from the judge. They won't be serving all this time unless they continue to be stupid, so let's try and figure out how to learn from their misfortunes and get our kids to be productive (v. destructive) members of society.....

Over-privileged little pieces of shit with more money than brains. Rot in jail you sorry fuckers. Society is better having you incarcerated. I hope the whole thing drives your affluent asshole parents into early graves as well. Fuck you all.

A bunch of poor addicts trying to avoid being dope sick. They are all guilty including the dead ones. So 20 years is a bit over the top.

What we have is an insane drup policy in this country...most controlled substances should be legalized..taxed...and preventive education applied...just like cigarettes and alcohol.

this whole situation is sad. whats worse is that these kids are going to spend more time in jail than legit murderers who will get parole in no time

I'm tired of everything.

Walter Sobchak Wrote:
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> Over-privileged little pieces of shit with more
> money than brains. Rot in jail you sorry fuckers.
> Society is better having you incarcerated. I hope
> the whole thing drives your affluent asshole
> parents into early graves as well. Fuck you all.



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"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."



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Vince(1) Wrote:
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> What we have is an insane drup policy in this
> country...most controlled substances should be
> legalized..taxed...and preventive education
> applied...just like cigarettes and alcohol.


HOLY SHIT! i agree with vinke(!) !!! People can make their own fucking choices, we are adults... its time the government stops "protecting us from us".

I am sick to death of the Lannes family. Who are they again?

Intersting..in case you dont know it...there is censorship on this bulletin board...need proof? Asshat quotes an earlier post of mine in his response which is copied below.

Re: Is anyone else tired of the Lannes family? new
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Date: March 08, 2009 05:57AM


Vince(1) Wrote:
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> What we have is an insane drup policy in this
> country...most controlled substances should be
> legalized..taxed...and preventive education
> applied...just like cigarettes and alcohol.


HOLY SHIT! i agree with vinke(!) !!! People can make their own fucking choices, we are adults... its time the government stops "protecting us from us".


Shortly thereafter Gravis makes a comment....some how he can include in his comments coding which can delete mine and anyone else's comments....subsequently my original comment is no where in sight. It appears to happen anytime someone even slightly agrees with me (allbeit that doesnt happen too often). Cary is aware of this...and for whatever reason allows it.

You have been advised!

i'll be interested to see if the lannes testify against skylar when his trial begins. i also wonder what alicia would be telling her parents if she were still here. i don't think she would want to see her friends being put away in jail for her death.

wow..and it keeps on giving and giving and giving!

and giving..and giving

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> Shortly thereafter Gravis makes a comment....some
> how he can include in his comments coding which
> can delete mine and anyone else's
> comments....subsequently my original comment is no
> where in sight. It appears to happen anytime
> someone even slightly agrees with me (allbeit that
> doesnt happen too often). Cary is aware of
> this...and for whatever reason allows it.
>
> You have been advised!

Gravis used some very tricky HTML to make funny things happen with this thread. His code has been removed. Everything should display properly now.

- Cary (the admin/mod)

This is from a greving family, We grieved with the Lannes But we are also for all of the other young adults that were their daughters friends so close they let her shoot them up then watched her shoot herself and OD numerous times the friends that you want to serve most of their adult life in jail have familys that love them and are watching you try to take their young daughter/sons life
you the Lannes are on a mission to get all of thes kids to go to jail are trying to make their familys suffer along with you this is not going to bring your daughter back you are trying to keep these brothers'sisters fathers grandparents from being able to help their child as you did your daughter you must remerber how much you grieved when you found out she was a heroin addict and you went straight forward to help her now you now you are trying to hurt familys thus denying us of the right to help our children because you are publicly stating you want them all in jail young adults that shared their addiction along with your daughter shareing her addiction and drugs familys with this Please pray For our family as we pray for you and yours ask god to help our famils rid our children of this horrible drug can you forward this to the Lannes PLEASE

^^^ how to type the longest run-on sentence ever

these people lost there daughter,just leave them alone.

and it was their daughters own fault......and partially theirs. so they should simma down naw

They're trying to prevent more senseless deaths, so their daughter's death is not totally in vain. The lives saved may be our own kids, because believe me, parents can only do so much to save their kids. (We'd lock them in their room until they're 25 if we could!)
God bless the Lannes.

What is wrong with people like you...who a year after a 20 year old dies, you write and put down a family who lost their daughter along with the extended family. For the 15 people involved in the heroin ring, and their severe and well deserved jail sentences, all of you people who feel so sorry for these kids can go visit them in jail. You can write them love notes, send christmas cards, listen to them on how they may or may not have turned their life around. The Lannes family will never get to see their daughter grow up get married, have children, never see her laugh or smile again. Alicia got the most severe sentence, her parents and other family get to visit her grave. They get to read all of your pathetic criticsms, while they put themselves out there in order to save one more kid from a heroin overdose. If you think it is easy...you have no idea...just remember..instant karma is gonna get you!

Heroin Kills! Feel for the Lannes family for you don't want to walk down the path they walk. Praise them, for trying to be the change they want to see in their community. I feel sorry for you if you don't get this message, cause if you don't you are pathetic!

Any pictures of the perps?

I don't personally know the Lannes family nor do I know the people who are being tried in court over this. However, I did know Alisha and I knew some of the things she had been through. I was an extremely close friend to her cousin Nicole who committed suicide a couple years before Alisha overdosed. I think that Alisha did turn to drugs because of what happened with Nicole and how close they were.

But I do understand what most of you are saying. If Alisha hadn't overdosed that day would her family even realize she was taking drugs? Would they have possibly tried to get her help so it wouldn't happen? I don't honestly know. Nicole's parents were the same way. Nicole had tried to commit suicide a week or so before she actually succeeded and her parents had felt that it was ok to leave her home alone even though her mind wasn't stable.

Maybe the problem isn't the kids that are taking the drugs or the kids that are suicidal.. Maybe it's the fucking parents who don't give a shit enough to keep up with their child's lives.

Moral of these issues... If you don't want your kids dying then make sure you understand what the hell is going on in their lives. Otherwise you'll end up like these families and blame other people for what was actually YOUR responsibility!

I understand her parents trying to put the blame on anything else they can, as much as they can. That's what real loving parents do, and they are no exception. But going to court just to reem each of those kids a new hole doesn't change things. I can agree with going to court just to get them longer sentences out of spite, jus cuz the parents are angry (I prolly would too, just to take it out on someone I could). But what bothers me is that she wasn't killed out of anger, she didn't die by someone's direct negligence, and her friends (whom she probably loved dearly and would never wish to see hurt because of her own actions) will have to pay for her.

If she had been over 21 and drank herself to death, or died of lung cancer, or ate herself into diabetes, this forum wouldn't have this debate over who should suffer and why. Nobody would be arrested, and nobody would be paying for it. [Imagine transition sentence here]

Maybe she didn't wanna quit at that time. Maybe she didn't care for all that bright future crap and "being a productive member of society" that most proud Americans spout off about with their two-level homes and SUVs. As perspective talks about above, they all coulda just "stopped while they were ahead". Is it her fault for not wanting to quit? But as it stands, she is just another casualty of this war on drugs.

Incidentally, I'm jus one of a generation of Americans who has grown up with the "half-hearted" war on drugs (as I like to call it). They're still not acceptable, but since you see them around everywhere you get the feeling that as long as you don't bring too much attention to yourself that nobody really cares. Just like how 10 - 15 mph over the speed limit is just dandy as long as you're not mowing down lil old ladies in the process. Just hoping to maybe bring some kind of insight to this sorta thing.

to cville woman..

Hey Miss High and Mighty...you got one sentence right in your mindless ramblings..
YOU DON'T KNOW THE LANNES FAMILY...So shut the fuck up and keep Nicole's death out of this...you don't know anything about either one of their deaths, cause if you did...you'd punch yourself in the face..like I want to do to you right now. Secondly, if you are going to make a comment about a girl who has passed away learn how to spell her fucking name asshole it is ALICIA not Alisha.

YOU KNOW NOT OF WHAT YOU SPEAK...BUT IF WANT TO LEARN THE CORRECT SPELLING OF THEIR NAMES GO TO THE CEMETARY. FOR ONE MINUTE OF YOUR PATHETIC LIFE..PUT YOURSELF IN THE LANNES FAMILY'S SHOES..WHO HAVE LOST CHILDREN IN THEIR FAMILY.
IF THAT IS NOT ENOUGH FOR THEM THEY HAVE PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO KNOW NOTHING DEFAMING THIS GOOD FAMILy's NAME.
DO YOU HAVE NOTHING BETTER TO DO THAN TO SPECULATE AND BLOG ABOUT A SAD SITUATION LIKE THIS...GET A FUCKING LIFE!

I hope there is a nice warm spot in hell for you!

I will tell you one more thing if you say you were an extremely close friend of Nicole you would know that she would never ever let anyone talk about her family, especially Alicia.

Watch yourself you just created some real bad karma for yourself!