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Where will the upper middle class relocate to if Fairfax County continues to decline?
Posted by: Kopko ()
Date: August 03, 2014 02:02PM

Serious question. Our local government seems to be ok with the deteriorating of our schools and community and it gets exponentially worse each year. In a matter of time our community here will no longer be desirable.

I presume there will still be a good job market here with the federal government, airports, contracting, law firms, etc. so where will professionals choose to live? Farther west is impractical for many. Will we all cross the border into Maryland?

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Re: Where will the upper middle class relocate to if Fairfax County continues to decline?
Posted by: "our" community? ()
Date: August 03, 2014 02:04PM

"our" community will be fine. We're not exposed to the day to day of the lower classes.
Now where is the organic non fat half'n'half?

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Re: Where will the upper middle class relocate to if Fairfax County continues to decline?
Posted by: Blue Ridge Mountian ()
Date: August 03, 2014 02:07PM

Don't come West - too many stuck up people in Western Loudoun and Middleburg already

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Re: Where will the upper middle class relocate to if Fairfax County continues to decline?
Posted by: pedro go home ()
Date: August 03, 2014 02:18PM

Blue Ridge Mountian Wrote:
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> Don't come West - too many stuck up people in
> Western Loudoun and Middleburg already


and guess what? no ILLEGAL spics!! best part of virginia.

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Re: Where will the upper middle class relocate to if Fairfax County continues to decline?
Posted by: 7-11 ()
Date: August 03, 2014 02:21PM

pedro go home Wrote:
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> Blue Ridge Mountian Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Don't come West - too many stuck up people in
> > Western Loudoun and Middleburg already
>
>
> and guess what? no ILLEGAL spics!! best part of
> virginia.

Bullshit. I see them all the time in Middleburg and all over Loudoun too.
You need to get out more often.

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Re: Where will the upper middle class relocate to if Fairfax County continues to decline?
Posted by: upperburg ()
Date: August 03, 2014 02:23PM

no 7-11 in middleburg. a safeway, post office and bank. plenty of white owned shops. no illegal spics.

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Re: Where will the upper middle class relocate to if Fairfax County continues to decline?
Posted by: the options ()
Date: August 03, 2014 02:41PM

No, they will not necessarily relocate.

They will continue to have fewer children at older ages or not have children if they cannot afford to either a) send them to private schools or b) move into higher income enclaves that will continue to exist (with schools that are still good). Not all of Fairfax will decline, but the areas that continue to have good schools will be expensive to live in. Option c may be that they ask their parents to help them with private school tuition for their grandchildren (which my uncle did for all of his grands because he really wanted to help and he had the money). Option c is a good one if people believe that the inheritance tax may come back into play (which could happen at any time).

Upper middle income people tend to be responsible (or they would not have gotten to the upper middle income range). Because of this responsibility ethic, they will only have children if they believe they can afford them and they can give them the standard that is at least as good as the one they received. They don't settle for less.

Of course option d would be to move to a more affordable area that has good schools (Loudoun, etc.) and commute or work from home at least a couple of days of the week (which has become a viable option for many already).

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Re: Where will the upper middle class relocate to if Fairfax County continues to decline?
Posted by: bottom feeders ()
Date: August 03, 2014 02:52PM

^ in a nutshell they don't breed like rabbits and suck off the state/fed for a living. unlike the low life bottom of the food chain ILLEGAL spics, and savage Negroes.

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Re: Where will the upper middle class relocate to if Fairfax County continues to decline?
Posted by: CELEBRATE THE DIVERSITY. ()
Date: August 03, 2014 02:59PM

1476573_545418602219772_33785727_n.jpg

So you do not want to celebrate the diversity and have these guys as your neighbors?

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Re: Where will the upper middle class relocate to if Fairfax County continues to decline?
Posted by: celebrate diversity. ()
Date: August 03, 2014 03:13PM

Human Locust.

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Re: Where will the upper middle class relocate to if Fairfax County continues to decline?
Posted by: Neighbors in Falls Church ()
Date: August 03, 2014 03:41PM

I live near Westlawn, near these fine young gentlemen.


10411901_628866560541642_476745348609458

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Re: Where will the upper middle class relocate to if Fairfax County continues to decline?
Posted by: Conserva-tards! ()
Date: August 03, 2014 03:51PM

Kopko Wrote:
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> Serious question. Our local government seems to be
> ok with the deteriorating of our schools and
> community and it gets exponentially worse each
> year. In a matter of time our community here will
> no longer be desirable.

Kind of like North Arlington? NorthWest DC?

Yeah, I see your point.

Conserva-tards!

LoLz!

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Re: Where will the upper middle class relocate to if Fairfax County continues to decline?
Posted by: Bigfoot it is ()
Date: August 03, 2014 03:55PM

Conserva-tards! Wrote:

> Conserva-tards!
>
> LoLz!


douchbag says what?

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Re: Where will the upper middle class relocate to if Fairfax County continues to decline?
Posted by: Illegal immigrant spotter ()
Date: August 03, 2014 03:57PM

Conserva-tards! Wrote:
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> Kopko Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Serious question. Our local government seems to
> be
> > ok with the deteriorating of our schools and
> > community and it gets exponentially worse each
> > year. In a matter of time our community here
> will
> > no longer be desirable.
>
> Kind of like North Arlington? NorthWest DC?
>
> Yeah, I see your point.
>
> Conserva-tards!
>
> LoLz!


The spics/nigs are in South Arlington, and SE DC.

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Re: Where will the upper middle class relocate to if Fairfax County continues to decline?
Posted by: fuck diversity. ()
Date: August 03, 2014 04:02PM

Illegal immigrant spotter Wrote:

> The spics/nigs are in South Arlington, and SE DC.


The spics/nigs are all over this fucking place, everywhere inside the "ring around the congo" the beltway, RT 1, springfield, herndon,sterling, fucking everywhere, they ruin everything.

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Re: Where will the upper middle class relocate to if Fairfax County continues to decline?
Posted by: Bill.N. ()
Date: August 03, 2014 04:26PM

bottom feeders Wrote:
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> ^ in a nutshell they don't breed like rabbits and
> suck off the state/fed for a living. unlike the
> low life bottom of the food chain ILLEGAL spics,
> and savage Negroes.

This message brought to you by someone who works for a Federal contractor, or for a company that provides goods or services to employees of the Federal government.

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Re: Where will the upper middle class relocate to if Fairfax County continues to decline?
Posted by: Racist Ray ()
Date: August 03, 2014 04:33PM

The Lib-tards want inclusion and diversity except for their neighborhoods of North Arlington, Old Town Alexandria, Great Falls and McLean. The rest of FFX County can suck it and let the illegals populate their neighborhoods, schools and community.

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Re: Where will the upper middle class relocate to if Fairfax County continues to decline?
Posted by: Place a bet? ()
Date: August 03, 2014 04:35PM

Bill.N. Wrote:
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> bottom feeders Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > ^ in a nutshell they don't breed like rabbits
> and
> > suck off the state/fed for a living. unlike the
> > low life bottom of the food chain ILLEGAL
> spics,
> > and savage Negroes.
>
> This message brought to you by someone who works
> for a Federal contractor, or for a company that
> provides goods or services to employees of the
> Federal government.


Nope, ten dollars the poster is a native virginian who has seen this place go to shit in the past 20 years, and is sick and tired of the area getting thrashed by the illegals. that's my bet.

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Re: Where will the upper middle class relocate to if Fairfax County continues to decline?
Posted by: DMV Observer ()
Date: August 03, 2014 04:45PM


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Re: Where will the upper middle class relocate to if Fairfax County continues to decline?
Posted by: Thank Republicans ()
Date: August 03, 2014 05:52PM

Kopko Wrote:
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> Serious question. Our local government seems to be
> ok with the deteriorating of our schools and
> community and it gets exponentially worse each
> year. In a matter of time our community here will
> no longer be desirable.
>
> I presume there will still be a good job market
> here with the federal government, airports,
> contracting, law firms, etc. so where will
> professionals choose to live? Farther west is
> impractical for many. Will we all cross the border
> into Maryland?

You can thank a series of shitty Republican Board of Supervisors and the following data shows what decreasing the personal property tax rates have a corresponding effect on a whole lot of things going south in our County.

The chart below goes back to 1968, but shows “effective” tax rates. up until 1977, the actual rate was higher – but real estate was only valued at 40% of it’s total assessment. I have adjusted those earlier years to make an “apples to apples” comparison. The number represents the tax per $100 of assessed value – as in $1.09 for every $100 of assessed value.
Attachments:
ffx_property_tax_rates-1968-2011.png

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Re: Where will the upper middle class relocate to if Fairfax County continues to decline?
Posted by: Oh Smack! ()
Date: August 03, 2014 05:54PM

You actually get what you pay for.

Lower taxes = Shitty Government Services, Crappy Schools, Crappy Roads, etc.

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Re: Where will the upper middle class relocate to if Fairfax County continues to decline?
Posted by: History Buff ()
Date: August 03, 2014 06:49PM

The shit started down hill in 1980 when Jack Herrity and Tom Davis (both Republicans) started lowering taxes.

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Re: Where will the upper middle class relocate to if Fairfax County continues to decline?
Posted by: overall inflation vs.house bubbl ()
Date: August 03, 2014 07:02PM

There is something wrong with that graph. My taxes have more than doubled since 1999. Have we had inflation of over 100% since 1999? Did you take into consideration the values of houses (which went up way more than inflation)? Housing had a bubble while the rest of the economy did not.

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Re: Where will the upper middle class relocate to if Fairfax County continues to decline?
Posted by: try this again ()
Date: August 03, 2014 07:04PM

You need to graph the net taxes on the median house in the county. The tax rate is not accurate because it is adjusted based on the value of the housing stock.

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Re: Where will the upper middle class relocate to if Fairfax County continues to decline?
Posted by: Board is "Republican" since 60's ()
Date: August 03, 2014 07:05PM

Not even close, dumbfuq. Making such a fucking obvious lie makes me laugh at your pathetic "chart", which, of course, you stole from another site.

What a fucking racist asshole goober.

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Re: Where will the upper middle class relocate to if Fairfax County continues to decline?
Posted by: BTW, jewh8ter, here's reality: ()
Date: August 03, 2014 07:11PM

"Given the size, complexity and diversity of properties within Fairfax County, fair market value is deemed to be reasonably estimated if assessments at the neighborhood level generally average in the low-to-mid-90 percent range when compared to sale prices."

So a "high rate" at 40% ASR would yield a higher tax payment than a slightly lower "rate" @ 90+%?

Math > you.

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Re: Where will the upper middle class relocate to if Fairfax County continues to decline?
Posted by: graph is not explained ()
Date: August 03, 2014 07:26PM

I was thinking the same thing. I was wondering how the rate could have dropped so precipitously from 1980 to 1990 without the schools and roads going to crap (which they didn't). There were actually a lot of programs put into place during that time and a ton of growth in the population (and increases in tax revenue every year). The graph is ridiculous. They were obviously adjusting the appraisals to be more in line with the actual values.

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Re: Where will the upper middle class relocate to if Fairfax County continues to decline?
Posted by: The other issue, of course, ()
Date: August 03, 2014 07:37PM

is that the # of housing units (taxable) hasn't increased w/the # of residents, so when our resident jackwagon whines about "illegals pay taxes", well, having 15 to a house isn't going to cut it any which way.

What a fucktard.

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Re: Where will the upper middle class relocate to if Fairfax County continues to decline?
Posted by: Moargoodnewz... ()
Date: August 03, 2014 07:39PM

"Both the total number of jobs in the county, and the average weekly wages by those who hold them, posted year-over-year declines in the fourth quarter of 2013, according to figures reported June 19. …

The number of workers employed in the county also dropped, down 1.2 percent from a year before, according to federal estimates, while national job growth was 1.8 percent during the same period.

Fairfax in recent years has slipped in the size of both paychecks and employment, and is coming perilously close to falling out of the top 10 in average weekly wages."

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Re: Where will the upper middle class relocate to if Fairfax County continues to decline?
Posted by: Ray Halbritten ()
Date: August 03, 2014 08:30PM

Neighbors in Falls Church Wrote:
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> I live near Westlawn, near these fine young
> gentlemen.
>
>
10411901_628866560541642_476745348609458

The surprising thing is that none of this is wearing any Cowboys shit. Or maybe that's just the nogs that love the boyz so much.

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Re: Where will the upper middle class relocate to if Fairfax County continues to decline?
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: August 03, 2014 08:58PM

CELEBRATE THE DIVERSITY. Wrote:
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> src="https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphoto
> s-ak-ash3/t1.0-9/1476573_545418602219772_33785727_
> n.jpg">
>
> So you do not want to celebrate the diversity and
> have these guys as your neighbors?




I get a kick out of that pic. That kid on the right is wearing a North Face jacket, which is one of the whitest things you could do. Not very thug-like at all.

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Re: Where will the upper middle class relocate to if Fairfax County continues to decline?
Posted by: Skins Fan ()
Date: August 03, 2014 09:03PM

Ray Halbritten Wrote:
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> Neighbors in Falls Church Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I live near Westlawn, near these fine young
> > gentlemen.
> >
> >
> src="https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphoto
> s-ak-xpf1/t1.0-9/p180x540/10411901_628866560541642
> _476745348609458665_n.jpg"/>
>
> The surprising thing is that none of this is
> wearing any Cowboys shit. Or maybe that's just the
> nogs that love the boyz so much.

Its because their parents decided to come to this area illegally instead of going to Dallas.

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Re: Where will the upper middle class relocate to if Fairfax County continues to decline?
Posted by: SAD ()
Date: August 03, 2014 09:10PM

nx2nft.jpg

Chubby wife beater guy on the far right could not manage to grow taller than a 4th grader?

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Re: Where will the upper middle class relocate to if Fairfax County continues to decline?
Posted by: Terrapin Lover ()
Date: August 03, 2014 09:10PM

Kopko Wrote:
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> Serious question. Our local government seems to be
> ok with the deteriorating of our schools and
> community and it gets exponentially worse each
> year. In a matter of time our community here will
> no longer be desirable.
>
> I presume there will still be a good job market
> here with the federal government, airports,
> contracting, law firms, etc. so where will
> professionals choose to live? Farther west is
> impractical for many. Will we all cross the border
> into Maryland?

Definitely. I hear Germantown, Wheaton, Seat Pleasant, Langley Park and Oxon Hill are simply lovely in the fall.

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Re: Where will the upper middle class relocate to if Fairfax County continues to decline?
Posted by: My4tv ()
Date: August 03, 2014 10:39PM

Behold the future of Fairfax County.

fat_kid1.jpg

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Re: Where will the upper middle class relocate to if Fairfax County continues to decline?
Posted by: <img src="___________________"> ()
Date: August 04, 2014 03:13AM

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Re: Where will the upper middle class relocate to if Fairfax County continues to decline?
Posted by: Probably out of Virginia ()
Date: August 04, 2014 07:27AM

With yet another wave of poverty immigrating up from poor dumb ass parts of the world, Fairfax and the entire state of fucking Virginia will be raising taxes like a mother fucker to pay for it. Do you think that you aren't going to need WIC, medicaid, section 8 housing and more schools? The top tax rate in immigrant magnet, haven, California is 13 percent. Virginia is headed that way.

Enjoy the diversity mother fuckers!

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Re: Where will the upper middle class relocate to if Fairfax County continues to decline?
Posted by: Bumfuckia ()
Date: August 04, 2014 08:40AM

Racist Ray Wrote:
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> The Lib-tards want inclusion and diversity except
> for their neighborhoods of North Arlington, Old
> Town Alexandria, Great Falls and McLean. The rest
> of FFX County can suck it and let the illegals
> populate their neighborhoods, schools and
> community.

You definitely need to get out more. Not only are you retarded about plenty of hispanics who live in Jerndon, Sterling, and Loudoun but you also think Great Falls and McLean is liberal? Haha fuck man. Barbara fuckin Comstock represents that hood you dumb shit, she's basically been sucking at Sean Hannity and the teapartys nut sack since the mid 2000s.

Drive down Gtown pike you fuckin tard, look at the giant Gillespie and Comstock signs.

Fuckin nutjobs live in a god damn alternate reality.

Heres the legit shit. You live in the shitty part of Fairfax. You wanted all the lawn and the McMansion so you moved to Chantirry or Centreville or Route 1 Corridor, and now you see that you live in a shit neighborhood that is cheaper, hence why new immigrants are forced to live there because its the only place they can afford. I'd rather you leave and they stay, atleast they pull their weight in society. But don't tell me Fairfax is getting worse, I live in the good part, its getting way better. Got a 20 minute commute on the train now to Arlington. My house value has never been higher. I got hundreds of quality restaurants near by.

Sucks to be you fuckin conservitard. You probably shouldn't have thought you were being a country thug by living in the boondocks. Enjoy I-66 today douche.

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Re: Where will the upper middle class relocate to if Fairfax County continues to decline?
Posted by: Ouch! ()
Date: August 04, 2014 09:03AM

Bumfuckia Wrote:
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> Racist Ray Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The Lib-tards want inclusion and diversity
> except
> > for their neighborhoods of North Arlington, Old
> > Town Alexandria, Great Falls and McLean. The
> rest
> > of FFX County can suck it and let the illegals
> > populate their neighborhoods, schools and
> > community.
>
> You definitely need to get out more. Not only are
> you retarded about plenty of hispanics who live in
> Jerndon, Sterling, and Loudoun but you also think
> Great Falls and McLean is liberal? Haha fuck man.
> Barbara fuckin Comstock represents that hood you
> dumb shit, she's basically been sucking at Sean
> Hannity and the teapartys nut sack since the mid
> 2000s.
>
> Drive down Gtown pike you fuckin tard, look at the
> giant Gillespie and Comstock signs.
>
> Fuckin nutjobs live in a god damn alternate
> reality.
>
> Heres the legit shit. You live in the shitty part
> of Fairfax. You wanted all the lawn and the
> McMansion so you moved to Chantirry or Centreville
> or Route 1 Corridor, and now you see that you live
> in a shit neighborhood that is cheaper, hence why
> new immigrants are forced to live there because
> its the only place they can afford. I'd rather you
> leave and they stay, atleast they pull their
> weight in society. But don't tell me Fairfax is
> getting worse, I live in the good part, its
> getting way better. Got a 20 minute commute on the
> train now to Arlington. My house value has never
> been higher. I got hundreds of quality restaurants
> near by.
>
> Sucks to be you fuckin conservitard. You probably
> shouldn't have thought you were being a country
> thug by living in the boondocks. Enjoy I-66 today
> douche.


LOL.

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Re: Where will the upper middle class relocate to if Fairfax County continues to decline?
Posted by: Vulture ()
Date: August 04, 2014 09:44AM

Bumfuckia Wrote:
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> Racist Ray Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The Lib-tards want inclusion and diversity
> except
> > for their neighborhoods of North Arlington, Old
> > Town Alexandria, Great Falls and McLean. The
> rest
> > of FFX County can suck it and let the illegals
> > populate their neighborhoods, schools and
> > community.
>
> You definitely need to get out more. Not only are
> you retarded about plenty of hispanics who live in
> Jerndon, Sterling, and Loudoun but you also think
> Great Falls and McLean is liberal? Haha fuck man.
> Barbara fuckin Comstock represents that hood you
> dumb shit, she's basically been sucking at Sean
> Hannity and the teapartys nut sack since the mid
> 2000s.
>
> Drive down Gtown pike you fuckin tard, look at the
> giant Gillespie and Comstock signs.
>
> Fuckin nutjobs live in a god damn alternate
> reality.
>
> Heres the legit shit. You live in the shitty part
> of Fairfax. You wanted all the lawn and the
> McMansion so you moved to Chantirry or Centreville
> or Route 1 Corridor, and now you see that you live
> in a shit neighborhood that is cheaper, hence why
> new immigrants are forced to live there because
> its the only place they can afford. I'd rather you
> leave and they stay, atleast they pull their
> weight in society. But don't tell me Fairfax is
> getting worse, I live in the good part, its
> getting way better. Got a 20 minute commute on the
> train now to Arlington. My house value has never
> been higher. I got hundreds of quality restaurants
> near by.
>
> Sucks to be you fuckin conservitard. You probably
> shouldn't have thought you were being a country
> thug by living in the boondocks. Enjoy I-66 today
> douche.

Wait a second, there are actually intelligent people that post on this website?

You know something? All these people that are complaining about Illegals that have to deal with them because they are poor just like Illegals, they don't even realize that the Illegals are sent here to replace them...LMAO!

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Re: Where will the upper middle class relocate to if Fairfax County continues to decline?
Posted by: Spic spotter ()
Date: August 04, 2014 10:08AM

The previous 3 replies were posted from the same ip.

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Re: Where will the upper middle class relocate to if Fairfax County continues to decline?
Posted by: Vulture ()
Date: August 04, 2014 10:10AM

Spic spotter Wrote:
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> The previous 3 replies were posted from the same
> ip.

Nope.

Grow up, nerd.

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Re: Where will the upper middle class relocate to if Fairfax County continues to decline?
Posted by: Speedy Gonzalez ()
Date: August 04, 2014 11:04AM

Bumfuckia Wrote:
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You probably
> shouldn't have thought you were being a country
> thug by living in the boondocks. Enjoy I-66 today
> douche.


fuck that, Ima takin the silver line today.

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Re: Where will the upper middle class relocate to if Fairfax County continues to decline?
Posted by: Got pwnd in one thread, came ^ ()
Date: August 04, 2014 11:07AM

Speedy Gonzalez Wrote:
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> Bumfuckia Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> You probably
> > shouldn't have thought you were being a country
> > thug by living in the boondocks. Enjoy I-66
> today
> > douche.
>
>
> fuck that, Ima takin the silver line today.


Awww whats wrong champ. Got your ass handed to you by a little logic on that other thread so your trolling ass came here? I take the silver line every day. Mostly people in suits. If thats who you are afraid of, Id suggest you head over to Alabama where all you'll see is rednecks in plaid, beer gut displayed, complaining about how black people get so much welfare as they stand in line to get theirs

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Re: Where will the upper middle class relocate to if Fairfax County continues to decline?
Posted by: Conserva-tards! ()
Date: August 04, 2014 12:19PM

Illegal immigrant spotter Wrote:
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> The spics/nigs are in South Arlington, and SE DC.

And yet plenty of whites live in DC & Arlington. So why would whites abandon wholesale McLean, Great Falls, Vienna, Clifton, Fairfax Station, etc.?

Conserva-tards!

LoLz!

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Re: Where will the upper middle class relocate to if Fairfax County continues to decline?
Posted by: LIB-TARDZ LOLZ! ()
Date: August 05, 2014 01:43PM

To get away from people like you.

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Re: Where will the upper middle class relocate to if Fairfax County continues to decline?
Posted by: nail on the head! ()
Date: August 07, 2014 12:15PM

the options Wrote:
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> No, they will not necessarily relocate.
>
> They will continue to have fewer children at older
> ages or not have children if they cannot afford to
> either a) send them to private schools or b) move
> into higher income enclaves that will continue to
> exist (with schools that are still good). Not all
> of Fairfax will decline, but the areas that
> continue to have good schools will be expensive to
> live in. Option c may be that they ask their
> parents to help them with private school tuition
> for their grandchildren (which my uncle did for
> all of his grands because he really wanted to help
> and he had the money). Option c is a good one if
> people believe that the inheritance tax may come
> back into play (which could happen at any time).
>
> Upper middle income people tend to be responsible
> (or they would not have gotten to the upper middle
> income range). Because of this responsibility
> ethic, they will only have children if they
> believe they can afford them and they can give
> them the standard that is at least as good as the
> one they received. They don't settle for less.
>
> Of course option d would be to move to a more
> affordable area that has good schools (Loudoun,
> etc.) and commute or work from home at least a
> couple of days of the week (which has become a
> viable option for many already).

Very well put!

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Re: Where will the upper middle class relocate to if Fairfax County continues to decline?
Posted by: Limo Liberal ()
Date: August 07, 2014 03:37PM

We don't allow nigs or spics in our neighborhood of North Arlington. But since every lawn had an "Obama" sign on it during the presidential election, we are given a pass.

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Re: Where will the upper middle class relocate to if Fairfax County continues to decline?
Posted by: A++++++++++++ ()
Date: August 08, 2014 02:32AM

the options Wrote:
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> No, they will not necessarily relocate.
>
> They will continue to have fewer children at older
> ages or not have children if they cannot afford to
> either a) send them to private schools or b) move
> into higher income enclaves that will continue to
> exist (with schools that are still good). Not all
> of Fairfax will decline, but the areas that
> continue to have good schools will be expensive to
> live in. Option c may be that they ask their
> parents to help them with private school tuition
> for their grandchildren (which my uncle did for
> all of his grands because he really wanted to help
> and he had the money). Option c is a good one if
> people believe that the inheritance tax may come
> back into play (which could happen at any time).
>
> Upper middle income people tend to be responsible
> (or they would not have gotten to the upper middle
> income range). Because of this responsibility
> ethic, they will only have children if they
> believe they can afford them and they can give
> them the standard that is at least as good as the
> one they received. They don't settle for less.
>
> Of course option d would be to move to a more
> affordable area that has good schools (Loudoun,
> etc.) and commute or work from home at least a
> couple of days of the week (which has become a
> viable option for many already).


Nice post.

What areas do you predict will stay nice? More specifically, current moderately priced neighborhoods (homes less than $750,000). I presume the million and up neighborhoods will stay nice (ie McLean, Falls Church, Clifton).

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Re: Where will the upper middle class relocate to if Fairfax County continues to decline?
Posted by: the options ()
Date: August 08, 2014 09:26AM

Well, I wish I had a crystal ball that would predict which areas will stay nice and be under 750K. I am not in real estate and I have not lived my entire life in Fairfax (and I'm no politician). I did live in Chicago for five years (a while back) and I understand how neighborhoods can change rapidly.

There are so many variables when it comes to whether an area is rejuvenated or falls into lower income housing. And it's a very dynamic process. Also school boundaries can change. If you have children, I would just be prepared to move before they enter school or before high school if things turn south in a hurry (and unfortunately things can go south quicker than you may think).

I think it's interesting that Springfield Towne Center will be opening in a few months. Things like that have some potential to gentrify an area if they are done right. The fact that the FBI may put their headquarters there is also intriguing. But (a big BUT) those things are subject to change and/or failure. Some people in this area are willing to commute (as evidenced by the Loudoun County phenomenon) and that makes things like the FBI building less relevant in terms of housing patterns. Others (like me) prefer to have more time outside the car.

I think one of the biggest things that has to remain intact is the trust in the leadership of our county. When I come on FFU, I get pretty discouraged by the obvious mistakes that are being made by the BOS and the School Board. They have to do their best to keep the public trust. They need to have the cajones to run this place in the best interest of the TAXPAYERS in the county. The taxpayers will respond favorably if they do. They need to understand how the bread is buttered. They keep saying that people come here because of the "great schools" (which I think is a bit of an overstatement), but it's not an overstatement to say that the tax base (read upper middle class) stays here because of the schools (and the other amenities provided through taxes). Once people get a job here (the biggest draw), they are free to live within quite a few political boundaries. If the schools decline, there are other options. It may be that Fairfax is trying to attract more young singles and older people who have no children (which saves on public services). That's a possibility, but those people will not have as much interest in school quality and there could be unintended consequences to such efforts. Hopefully the BOS and SB are keeping things in perspective.

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Re: Where will the upper middle class relocate to if Fairfax County continues to decline?
Posted by: Optional Opinion ()
Date: August 08, 2014 10:32AM

Options is right. Fairfax's future is very much tied to the school system. FCPS had declined dramatically over the last 20 years. Today there are many more schools where parents would be hesitant to send their kids because of academic concerns. If this trend continues, Fairfax will decline dramatically across the board.

School board and supervisors have turned on the taxpayers, who can always turn on the county.

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Re: Where will the upper middle class relocate to if Fairfax County continues to decline?
Posted by: Sitting Pretty ()
Date: August 08, 2014 12:17PM

Optional Opinion Wrote:
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> Options is right. Fairfax's future is very much
> tied to the school system. FCPS had declined
> dramatically over the last 20 years. Today there
> are many more schools where parents would be
> hesitant to send their kids because of academic
> concerns. If this trend continues, Fairfax will
> decline dramatically across the board.
>
> School board and supervisors have turned on the
> taxpayers, who can always turn on the county.

The same types of people who complain about Fairfax complain incessantly about Montgomery County: they think there are too many Hispanics and Asians either taking resources from or outperforming their own kids.

Go live in overcrowded Arlington or cookie-cutter Loudoun. No one will give a shit if you leave, and many of us will watch our Fairfax homes continue to appreciate while you stare into your neighbor's kitchen in Arlington or spend half your lives commuting to a bland Loudoun cul-de-sac.

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Re: Where will the upper middle class relocate to if Fairfax County continues to decline?
Posted by: perception=reality ()
Date: August 08, 2014 12:37PM

^The above poster is basically saying that it is useless to say anything about the situation and that Montgomery County has the same issues (which no doubt it does). He disparages Arlington and Loudoun Counties for esthetic reasons. Some of the same criticisms he is making of Arlington and Loudoun could be applied to Fairfax as well. Most people know that there is no nirvana in life, but they will definitely not accept subpar when they know they can get something better. The nature of people is to be competitive and to look for better---especially when it comes to their kid's education.

Also, nobody said this was about too many Hispanics or Asians. It's about the overall quality of the schools (class size, quality and ability to attract good teachers, administrative responsiveness, etc.). It's definitely not about being "outperformed". It's about finding a good fit and schools that respond to the needs of the students. The fact that people think that resources are being taken away from their kids is not some kind of a delusional disease. People see it as real. That's all that matters.

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Re: Where will the upper middle class relocate to if Fairfax County continues to decline?
Posted by: the church of the perpetual beat ()
Date: August 08, 2014 12:48PM

Just go on CNBC and you will always outperform or beat expectations.

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Re: Where will the upper middle class relocate to if Fairfax County continues to decline?
Posted by: I want to "outperform" ()
Date: August 08, 2014 01:00PM

^ Ha, ha. I'll do that!

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Re: Where will the upper middle class relocate to if Fairfax County continues to decline?
Posted by: Reality Checker ()
Date: August 08, 2014 04:06PM

perception=reality Wrote:
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> ^The above poster is basically saying that it is
> useless to say anything about the situation and
> that Montgomery County has the same issues (which
> no doubt it does). He disparages Arlington and
> Loudoun Counties for esthetic reasons. Some of
> the same criticisms he is making of Arlington and
> Loudoun could be applied to Fairfax as well. Most
> people know that there is no nirvana in life, but
> they will definitely not accept subpar when they
> know they can get something better. The nature of
> people is to be competitive and to look for
> better---especially when it comes to their kid's
> education.
>
> Also, nobody said this was about too many
> Hispanics or Asians. It's about the overall
> quality of the schools (class size, quality and
> ability to attract good teachers, administrative
> responsiveness, etc.). It's definitely not about
> being "outperformed". It's about finding a good
> fit and schools that respond to the needs of the
> students. The fact that people think that
> resources are being taken away from their kids is
> not some kind of a delusional disease. People see
> it as real. That's all that matters.

It's not all that matters when both the perception AND the reality is that Arlington and Loudoun schools are less demanding and have less to offer students than Fairfax schools. Arlington schools have nice swimming pools and Stone Bridge has a good football team, but otherwise there's not much to brag about unless you just want schools with lots of white kids.

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Re: Where will the upper middle class relocate to if Fairfax County continues to decline?
Posted by: Priapus ()
Date: August 08, 2014 04:19PM

upperburg Wrote:
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> no 7-11 in middleburg. a safeway, post office and
> bank. plenty of white owned shops. no illegal
> spics.


Doesn't Linda Tripp live there?

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Re: Where will the upper middle class relocate to if Fairfax County continues to decline?
Posted by: money ()
Date: August 08, 2014 06:26PM

Priapus Wrote:
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> upperburg Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > no 7-11 in middleburg. a safeway, post office
> and
> > bank. plenty of white owned shops. no illegal
> > spics.
>
>
> Doesn't Linda Tripp live there?


Not sure, I know Robert Duvall lives there.

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Re: Where will the upper middle class relocate to if Fairfax County continues to decline?
Posted by: check before you speak ()
Date: August 08, 2014 07:02PM

"It's not all that matters when both the perception AND the reality is that Arlington and Loudoun schools are less demanding and have less to offer students than Fairfax schools. Arlington schools have nice swimming pools and Stone Bridge has a good football team, but otherwise there's not much to brag about unless you just want schools with lots of white kids."


Wait . . . Arlington has a "lot of white kids"?? 46% white is less than Fairfax:

http://www.apsva.us/cms/lib2/VA01000586/Centricity/Shared/QuickFacts.pdf


Loudoun Schools are 54% white:

http://profiles.lcps.org/portal/page/portal/LCPS/DISTRICT/SCHOOLENROLLMENT:ETHNICITY

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Re: Where will the upper middle class relocate to if Fairfax County continues to decline?
Posted by: here's more whiteness for you ()
Date: August 08, 2014 07:13PM

Fairfax County schools are almost 58% white---higher than either Loudoun or Arlington:

http://schoolprofiles.fcps.edu/schlprfl/f?p=108:13:3519888646525539::NO::P0_CURRENT_SCHOOL_ID:305


This discussion is not about race.

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pic not related (LoLz)
Posted by: Gordon Blvd ()
Date: August 08, 2014 07:18PM

Kopko Wrote:
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> Serious question. Our local government seems to be
> ok with the deteriorating of our schools and
> community and it gets exponentially worse each
> year. In a matter of time our community here will
> no longer be desirable.
>
> I presume there will still be a good job market
> here with the federal government, airports,
> contracting, law firms, etc. so where will
> professionals choose to live? Farther west is
> impractical for many. Will we all cross the border
> into Maryland?


Serious question? Simple answer.
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Re: pic not related (LoLz)
Posted by: I lold. ()
Date: August 08, 2014 07:26PM

Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> Kopko Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Serious question. Our local government seems to
> be
> > ok with the deteriorating of our schools and
> > community and it gets exponentially worse each
> > year. In a matter of time our community here
> will
> > no longer be desirable.
> >
> > I presume there will still be a good job market
> > here with the federal government, airports,
> > contracting, law firms, etc. so where will
> > professionals choose to live? Farther west is
> > impractical for many. Will we all cross the
> border
> > into Maryland?
>
>
> Serious question? Simple answer.

I had to sing it out, good one!

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Re: Where will the upper middle class relocate to if Fairfax County continues to decline?
Posted by: Well... Fcps inside the beltway ()
Date: August 08, 2014 09:02PM

here's more whiteness for you Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Fairfax County schools are almost 58%
> white---higher than either Loudoun or Arlington:
>
> http://schoolprofiles.fcps.edu/schlprfl/f?p=108:13
> :3519888646525539::NO::P0_CURRENT_SCHOOL_ID:305
>
>
> This discussion is not about race.


It all depends on your local school, with a lot of them, whites are the minority.

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Re: Where will the upper middle class relocate to if Fairfax County continues to decline?
Posted by: again, not about race ()
Date: August 08, 2014 10:20PM

^ I wonder if the demographics are more even across the schools in Loudoun County (with the situation being more evenly middle class, you might get less variation in diversity from school to school). The question is more one of economic class than of race or ethnicity.

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Re: Where will the upper middle class relocate to if Fairfax County continues to decline?
Posted by: done with it. ()
Date: August 08, 2014 11:34PM

I still don't understand just what the fuck people don't understand About the word ILLEGAL.
Fuck all laws, I'm not going to pay taxes, I will just claim "undocumented worker."

I will get issued a fine for not having a fishing licence, yet the illegal spics will get the welcome wagon.

Way to go America, land of the Locust and leaches. The working man is a sucker.

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Re: Where will the upper middle class relocate to if Fairfax County continues to decline?
Posted by: Turkey Vee ()
Date: August 09, 2014 09:37AM

Grin and Bear It Wrote:
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> Kopko Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Serious question. Our local government seems to
> be
> > ok with the deteriorating of our schools and
> > community and it gets exponentially worse each
> > year. In a matter of time our community here
> will
> > no longer be desirable.
> >
> > I presume there will still be a good job market
> > here with the federal government, airports,
> > contracting, law firms, etc. so where will
> > professionals choose to live? Farther west is
> > impractical for many. Will we all cross the
> border
> > into Maryland?
>
>
> The same thing is going on region wide. It is a
> very slow, yet very sure invasion from Central and
> South America. And it is happening nationwide,
> not just region wide. Just more concentrated
> region wide. They are doing it by 'the numbers'.
> Their are so many now it is too late to stop it.
> Between Montezuma's Revenge and stuff like the
> shut down of the water flowing in what was the Rio
> Grande (The Great River) into Mexico/Central
> America, they are coming here methodically in
> swarms. They know they could and have slowly
> taken over here by the numbers. And thy are
> united to do so thru organized special interest
> groups like the Hispanic Caucus. And they ARE the
> majority now in this country, if you have not been
> paying attention to census statistics. In just a
> few decades they have accomplished this amazing
> feat. Fifty, sixty years ago they were a small
> minority. Now, the largest majority. And who let
> it happen? Who is in control?
> Do you even know? If you are not rich, then you
> had and have no say in the matter. Because the
> rich, even though you might have been in the
> majority census bracket of the population, were
> and still have had most of us all thinking
> divisionally. The last major separatist push put
> thru by the rich and wealthy class was pushing
> thru, against eight out of ten peoples beliefs,
> the Gay Liberation Organization's agenda. Then
> their was, is the Health Care Industry's agenda,
> more recently, although I do not think the
> divisional impact was a big as the GLO agenda.
> You all just do not get it, do you? The Rich and
> Rich Powerful just do not care anymore, for real,
> about the overall population any more. They only
> care about how they and them, alone, as the
> smallest Special Interest Group in the nation,
> gets even wealthier and wealthier, above and
> beyond, incrementally, out other nine out of ten
> or so, sucker's that do not see the reality of
> what they do and are doing, methodically. With
> only their one major interest in mind.
> So just sit back and enjoy the ride! Do nothing
> about it. Especially, do not unite the nine
> suckers out of the ten that will not ever really
> have anything monetarily substantial in this
> lifetime, anyway.
> It is too late, this time, for this generation
> spawned by the majority.
> Yet, the Hispanics/Latinos, eh, they will have it
> better. Better than in their Third World home
> country's.
>
> Viva REVOLUCION!

This guy is correct. The Illegals are brought here by the government to replace the lower and middle classes. Amerikans were used all these years to get the country infastructure up and running, and now that it works you are being replaced by a permanent underclass. The wealthy people have had enough of you, they don't need you anymore when an illegal can do a job well enough to get by.

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Re: Where will the upper middle class relocate to if Fairfax County continues to decline?
Posted by: Turkey Vee ()
Date: August 09, 2014 09:39AM

One more thing, I remember them saying that there was going to be a bridge or some kind of highway from South America through Central America to the United States, I guess it may go down soon...

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Re: Where will the upper middle class relocate to if Fairfax County continues to decline?
Posted by: Hector ()
Date: August 09, 2014 10:12AM

Mexfaxicans everywhere. Hopefully they will build more uhauls and Home Depot stores in the upscale neighborhoods, so they will have somewhere to loiter. If you build it, they will come.

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Re: Where will the upper middle class relocate to if Fairfax County continues to decline?
Posted by: gates for me ()
Date: August 09, 2014 12:05PM

The upper class will stay right here. They will have a Mexican gardener. They will have Mexican maid and house cleaner. They will have Czech Butler and chauffeur. Lastly, they will have a Salvadoran security guard.

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Re: Where will the upper middle class relocate to if Fairfax County continues to decline?
Posted by: me too ()
Date: August 09, 2014 01:38PM

They will have a Ukrainian life guard at the clubhouse. They will have Koreans to install their home computer system. They will have an Indian doctor (and Chinese accupuncturist). They will buy their cars at the Pakistani car dealership. They will hire a British nanny.

Hey, it's gonna be great y'all!

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Re: Where will the upper middle class relocate to if Fairfax County continues to decline?
Posted by: Westernlpudoodd ()
Date: August 10, 2014 09:12AM

Right, no illegal aliens in Middleburg/Western Loudoun. Just a bunch of wealthy, egotistical maniacs and the occasional redneck. Worst combination ever. Go ahead, move out here--we need the extra traffic and we have way too much open space!

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Re: Where will the upper middle class relocate to if Fairfax County continues to decline?
Posted by: El salvashit ()
Date: August 10, 2014 11:44AM

Westernlpudoodd Wrote:
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> Right, no illegal aliens in Middleburg/Western
> Loudoun. Just a bunch of wealthy, egotistical
> maniacs and the occasional redneck. Worst
> combination ever. Go ahead, move out here--we need
> the extra traffic and we have way too much open
> space!


Say what you want, but there are no ILLEGAL SPICS. The way life should be in AMERICA.

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