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State GOP stood on principle
Posted by:
Del. L. Scott Lingamfelter
()
Date: July 22, 2014 06:42AM
State GOP stood on principle
http://www.fairfaxtimes.com/article/20140718/OPINION/140719305/1065/state-gop-stood-on-principle&template=fairfaxTimes
So here’s some morning-after analysis of the Long Budget Stand-off of 2014.
Now we have a budget — one that does not expand Obamacare in Virginia. There will be some people who will reduce the last four-and-a-half months of debate on the budget to a silly analysis of “winners and losers.” Those who do so will miss key considerations in the debate the House of Delegates had with the governor.
First, this was a debate about fiscal responsibility. As I have said many times, we have a $17.5 trillion debt in America. We borrow $430 million per hour at the federal level just to keep the government going. To those who say that the money that comes from the federal government is “free money” or “our money” that was sent there through taxation, let’s be clear: The reason the federal government borrows so much money is that it can’t pay its bills with the money that is being sent there now.
At some point we must speak up. If the president and Congress are unwilling to, then the governor and state legislature must. It’s that simple. Your House of Delegates did speak up.
Second, this was a debate about constitutional limits. The good news is our actions yesterday — and the governor’s also — were constitutional. He did not, at least as of yet, try to expand Obamacare by executive order. He did send us vetoes on eight items, some of which we actually agreed to. Others, such as one that would have opened the door to expansion and another that would have needlessly delayed approving judges in Virginia, were found by the speaker to be out of order. The speaker’s ruling made sure that we remained within constitutional limits, but the governor has made clear that he intends to expand Obamacare in Virginia by executive fiat.
That is sure to be met with firm resistance by those of us who are adamant that your Constitution — and the principle of separation of powers it requires — must be observed. This debate clearly is not over.
Third, this was a debate about misuse of the budget for political purposes by either the right or the left. The budget is just that — the constitutional vehicle that we use to fund the government, not resurrect failed bills that were fully considered in the regular session. The budget is not designed to be a “second bite of the apple” for legislation that didn’t pass. If the budget becomes such, we will have endless budget debates in the future. I believe that this would be a bad precedent to set for Virginia, so I’m glad that we stood firm on this point.
Finally, this was a debate about being who you say you are and doing what you say you will do. This is an absolute requirement for effective leadership and one I have tried to follow in my time both as a career soldier and a legislator. The left will say that the House was stubborn and refused to “compromise.” That would be a silly analysis, but I am sure we will hear it from the most bitterly partisan of our opponents.
But we also had those on our side who were utterly convinced that we would “cave in” to “the establishment.” Again, I did not see this at all. What we have witnessed is a House GOP caucus who stood firm on the principles above. We did not waver, and our action — I believe — is in stark contrast to what we have seen in Congress for many years.
Going forward, I will do my best to encourage my colleagues to remain true to who we are and what we stand for. The last several months gives me hope that citizen legislatures can truly be the voice of the people. Let’s hope Congress follows the Virginia Way.
Del. L. Scott Lingamfelter (R-Dist. 31)
L. Scott Lingamfelter represents Prince William and Fauquier counties in the Virginia General Assembly.
http://www.fairfaxtimes.com/article/20140718/OPINION/140719305/1065/state-gop-stood-on-principle&template=fairfaxTimes
So here’s some morning-after analysis of the Long Budget Stand-off of 2014.
Now we have a budget — one that does not expand Obamacare in Virginia. There will be some people who will reduce the last four-and-a-half months of debate on the budget to a silly analysis of “winners and losers.” Those who do so will miss key considerations in the debate the House of Delegates had with the governor.
First, this was a debate about fiscal responsibility. As I have said many times, we have a $17.5 trillion debt in America. We borrow $430 million per hour at the federal level just to keep the government going. To those who say that the money that comes from the federal government is “free money” or “our money” that was sent there through taxation, let’s be clear: The reason the federal government borrows so much money is that it can’t pay its bills with the money that is being sent there now.
At some point we must speak up. If the president and Congress are unwilling to, then the governor and state legislature must. It’s that simple. Your House of Delegates did speak up.
Second, this was a debate about constitutional limits. The good news is our actions yesterday — and the governor’s also — were constitutional. He did not, at least as of yet, try to expand Obamacare by executive order. He did send us vetoes on eight items, some of which we actually agreed to. Others, such as one that would have opened the door to expansion and another that would have needlessly delayed approving judges in Virginia, were found by the speaker to be out of order. The speaker’s ruling made sure that we remained within constitutional limits, but the governor has made clear that he intends to expand Obamacare in Virginia by executive fiat.
That is sure to be met with firm resistance by those of us who are adamant that your Constitution — and the principle of separation of powers it requires — must be observed. This debate clearly is not over.
Third, this was a debate about misuse of the budget for political purposes by either the right or the left. The budget is just that — the constitutional vehicle that we use to fund the government, not resurrect failed bills that were fully considered in the regular session. The budget is not designed to be a “second bite of the apple” for legislation that didn’t pass. If the budget becomes such, we will have endless budget debates in the future. I believe that this would be a bad precedent to set for Virginia, so I’m glad that we stood firm on this point.
Finally, this was a debate about being who you say you are and doing what you say you will do. This is an absolute requirement for effective leadership and one I have tried to follow in my time both as a career soldier and a legislator. The left will say that the House was stubborn and refused to “compromise.” That would be a silly analysis, but I am sure we will hear it from the most bitterly partisan of our opponents.
But we also had those on our side who were utterly convinced that we would “cave in” to “the establishment.” Again, I did not see this at all. What we have witnessed is a House GOP caucus who stood firm on the principles above. We did not waver, and our action — I believe — is in stark contrast to what we have seen in Congress for many years.
Going forward, I will do my best to encourage my colleagues to remain true to who we are and what we stand for. The last several months gives me hope that citizen legislatures can truly be the voice of the people. Let’s hope Congress follows the Virginia Way.
Del. L. Scott Lingamfelter (R-Dist. 31)
L. Scott Lingamfelter represents Prince William and Fauquier counties in the Virginia General Assembly.
Re: State GOP stood on principle
Posted by:
Same old same old
()
Date: July 22, 2014 08:24AM
These right-wing goobers should get some new material.
Re: State GOP stood on principle
Posted by:
kYbuF
()
Date: July 22, 2014 08:44AM
Virginia state is giving up $5 million a day by not expanding Medicaid
http://www.politifact.com/virginia/statements/2014/may/05/democratic-party-virginia/virginia-democrats-says-state-giving-5-million-day/
Virginia’s GOP hurts the poor and the budget by refusing Medicaid expansion
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/republicans-poor-logic-on-medicaid-expansion-equals-a-loss-for-virginians/2014/07/19/65bf58a8-0de1-11e4-8c9a-923ecc0c7d23_story.html
is there nothing the GOP cannot destroy? Do they ever get tired of visiting Financial Disaster upon the Union?
http://www.politifact.com/virginia/statements/2014/may/05/democratic-party-virginia/virginia-democrats-says-state-giving-5-million-day/
Virginia’s GOP hurts the poor and the budget by refusing Medicaid expansion
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/republicans-poor-logic-on-medicaid-expansion-equals-a-loss-for-virginians/2014/07/19/65bf58a8-0de1-11e4-8c9a-923ecc0c7d23_story.html
is there nothing the GOP cannot destroy? Do they ever get tired of visiting Financial Disaster upon the Union?
Re: State GOP stood on principle
Posted by:
Definition of right-wing goober?
()
Date: July 22, 2014 08:48AM
Same old same old Wrote:
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> These right-wing goobers should get some new
> material.
It sometimes seems like liberal commenters think that debate is calling names, walking off the field and proclaiming victory.
One could agree or disagree with Scott Lingamfelter's priorities, but he gives three reasonable, rational grounds for supporting the budget deal: fiscal responsibility, constitutional process, and lessening the political aspects of the budgeting process.
The reasons that he gives really add up to good government, which benefits every citizen.
How does this make him a right-wing goober? Is it the fiscal responsibility part? The constitutional process part? The de-politicization of the budget process part? Just trying to understand the liberal perspective.
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> These right-wing goobers should get some new
> material.
It sometimes seems like liberal commenters think that debate is calling names, walking off the field and proclaiming victory.
One could agree or disagree with Scott Lingamfelter's priorities, but he gives three reasonable, rational grounds for supporting the budget deal: fiscal responsibility, constitutional process, and lessening the political aspects of the budgeting process.
The reasons that he gives really add up to good government, which benefits every citizen.
How does this make him a right-wing goober? Is it the fiscal responsibility part? The constitutional process part? The de-politicization of the budget process part? Just trying to understand the liberal perspective.
Re: State GOP stood on principle
Posted by:
Explainer of Things
()
Date: July 22, 2014 08:52AM
Yes, but for the knuckle dragging, mouth breathing so-called "progressive" he sees himself as so right that there's really need for debate or for laying out an argument. Indeed, that's just a waste of time for him. Easier to view with disdain and contempt anyone who disagrees with him than it is to engage in constructive debate. Hence, the name calling and storming off in self-declared victory.
Not defending it, just calling it how I've seen it on this site and others over the years.
Not defending it, just calling it how I've seen it on this site and others over the years.
Re: State GOP stood on principle
Posted by:
GOP principle just cost VA $4,50
()
Date: July 22, 2014 09:09AM
Definition of right-wing goober? Wrote:
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> Same old same old Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > These right-wing goobers should get some new
> > material.
>
>
> It sometimes seems like liberal commenters think
> that debate is calling names, walking off the
> field and proclaiming victory.
>
> One could agree or disagree with Scott
> Lingamfelter's priorities, but he gives three
> reasonable, rational grounds for supporting the
> budget deal: fiscal responsibility, constitutional
> process, and lessening the political aspects of
> the budgeting process.
>
> The reasons that he gives really add up to good
> government, which benefits every citizen.
>
> How does this make him a right-wing goober? Is it
> the fiscal responsibility part? The constitutional
> process part? The de-politicization of the budget
> process part? Just trying to understand the
> liberal perspective.
Nice non-reply to the post above yours. You gravitate toward a troll ignoring the fact the GOP principle just cost VA $4,500,000 PER DAY and prevented 400,000 of our citizens from getting medical coverage to be provided and paid for by the Federal Government. Keep double posting agreements with yourself all you want - the GOP is hurting VA here.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Same old same old Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > These right-wing goobers should get some new
> > material.
>
>
> It sometimes seems like liberal commenters think
> that debate is calling names, walking off the
> field and proclaiming victory.
>
> One could agree or disagree with Scott
> Lingamfelter's priorities, but he gives three
> reasonable, rational grounds for supporting the
> budget deal: fiscal responsibility, constitutional
> process, and lessening the political aspects of
> the budgeting process.
>
> The reasons that he gives really add up to good
> government, which benefits every citizen.
>
> How does this make him a right-wing goober? Is it
> the fiscal responsibility part? The constitutional
> process part? The de-politicization of the budget
> process part? Just trying to understand the
> liberal perspective.
Nice non-reply to the post above yours. You gravitate toward a troll ignoring the fact the GOP principle just cost VA $4,500,000 PER DAY and prevented 400,000 of our citizens from getting medical coverage to be provided and paid for by the Federal Government. Keep double posting agreements with yourself all you want - the GOP is hurting VA here.
Re: State GOP stood on principle
Posted by:
eff ewe.
()
Date: July 22, 2014 09:12AM
Retardz
Re: State GOP stood on principle
Posted by:
Explainer of Things
()
Date: July 22, 2014 09:37AM
My point made above. And in only three minutes. Might be some sort of record.
Re: State GOP stood on principle
Posted by:
like this one?
()
Date: July 22, 2014 09:49AM
kYbuF Wrote:
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> is there nothing the GOP cannot destroy? Do they
> ever get tired of visiting Financial Disaster upon
> the Union?
Like the financial disaster known as the ACA????
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> is there nothing the GOP cannot destroy? Do they
> ever get tired of visiting Financial Disaster upon
> the Union?
Like the financial disaster known as the ACA????
Re: State GOP stood on principle
Posted by:
5 million a day
()
Date: July 22, 2014 01:00PM
like this one? Wrote:
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> kYbuF Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > is there nothing the GOP cannot destroy? Do
> they
> > ever get tired of visiting Financial Disaster
> upon
> > the Union?
>
>
> Like the financial disaster known as the ACA????
Facts please (I wont hold my breath).
how about the ACA will save $1.9 Billion dollars - read up http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/healthcare/report/2013/10/23/77537/the-affordable-care-acts-lower-than-projected-premiums-will-save-190-billion/
Oh and thanks VA GOP for not taking 5 million a day from the feds to help us on principle. Im glad we can be the shining light of your principles for the nation rather than taking much needed money to help our own. Great representation.
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> kYbuF Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > is there nothing the GOP cannot destroy? Do
> they
> > ever get tired of visiting Financial Disaster
> upon
> > the Union?
>
>
> Like the financial disaster known as the ACA????
Facts please (I wont hold my breath).
how about the ACA will save $1.9 Billion dollars - read up http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/healthcare/report/2013/10/23/77537/the-affordable-care-acts-lower-than-projected-premiums-will-save-190-billion/
Oh and thanks VA GOP for not taking 5 million a day from the feds to help us on principle. Im glad we can be the shining light of your principles for the nation rather than taking much needed money to help our own. Great representation.
Re: State GOP stood on principle
Posted by:
like this one?
()
Date: July 22, 2014 01:19PM
5 million a day Wrote:
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> like this one? Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > kYbuF Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> >
> > > is there nothing the GOP cannot destroy? Do
> > they
> > > ever get tired of visiting Financial Disaster
> > upon
> > > the Union?
> >
> >
> > Like the financial disaster known as the
> ACA????
>
> Facts please (I wont hold my breath).
LOL. When you use CAP, you really don't have a leg to stand on. I suppose I could come back with a Heritage study, but I am not a partisan parrot like you.
http://news.yahoo.com/cbo-obamacare-price-tag-shifts-940-billion-1-163500655.html
> how about the ACA will save $1.9 Billion dollars -
> read up
> http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/healthcare/
> report/2013/10/23/77537/the-affordable-care-acts-l
> ower-than-projected-premiums-will-save-190-billion
> /
>
> Oh and thanks VA GOP for not taking 5 million a
> day from the feds to help us on principle. Im
> glad we can be the shining light of your
> principles for the nation rather than taking much
> needed money to help our own. Great
> representation.
The only way Obamacare saves money is by not having states take the money. You can't have it both ways.
-------------------------------------------------------
> like this one? Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > kYbuF Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> >
> > > is there nothing the GOP cannot destroy? Do
> > they
> > > ever get tired of visiting Financial Disaster
> > upon
> > > the Union?
> >
> >
> > Like the financial disaster known as the
> ACA????
>
> Facts please (I wont hold my breath).
LOL. When you use CAP, you really don't have a leg to stand on. I suppose I could come back with a Heritage study, but I am not a partisan parrot like you.
http://news.yahoo.com/cbo-obamacare-price-tag-shifts-940-billion-1-163500655.html
> how about the ACA will save $1.9 Billion dollars -
> read up
> http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/healthcare/
> report/2013/10/23/77537/the-affordable-care-acts-l
> ower-than-projected-premiums-will-save-190-billion
> /
>
> Oh and thanks VA GOP for not taking 5 million a
> day from the feds to help us on principle. Im
> glad we can be the shining light of your
> principles for the nation rather than taking much
> needed money to help our own. Great
> representation.
The only way Obamacare saves money is by not having states take the money. You can't have it both ways.
Re: State GOP stood on principle
Posted by:
studies
()
Date: July 22, 2014 01:41PM
like this one? Wrote:
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> 5 million a day Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > like this one? Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > kYbuF Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > >
> > > > is there nothing the GOP cannot destroy?
> Do
> > > they
> > > > ever get tired of visiting Financial
> Disaster
> > > upon
> > > > the Union?
> > >
> > >
> > > Like the financial disaster known as the
> > ACA????
> >
> > Facts please (I wont hold my breath).
>
> LOL. When you use CAP, you really don't have a
> leg to stand on. I suppose I could come back with
> a Heritage study, but I am not a partisan parrot
> like you.
>
> http://news.yahoo.com/cbo-obamacare-price-tag-shif
> ts-940-billion-1-163500655.html
>
>
> > how about the ACA will save $1.9 Billion dollars
> -
> > read up
> >
> http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/healthcare/
>
> >
> report/2013/10/23/77537/the-affordable-care-acts-l
>
> >
> ower-than-projected-premiums-will-save-190-billion
>
> > /
> >
> > Oh and thanks VA GOP for not taking 5 million a
> > day from the feds to help us on principle. Im
> > glad we can be the shining light of your
> > principles for the nation rather than taking
> much
> > needed money to help our own. Great
> > representation.
>
> The only way Obamacare saves money is by not
> having states take the money. You can't have it
> both ways.
You dont like studies cited but you provide nothing. No facts, no counter points based on studies or even numbers - just tribal thinking. You have no idea of any facts you just believe what you believe and put down anyone even trying to introduce a discussion based on evidence.
Why do you waste your time even talking about things you believe but cannot prove?
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> 5 million a day Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > like this one? Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > kYbuF Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > >
> > > > is there nothing the GOP cannot destroy?
> Do
> > > they
> > > > ever get tired of visiting Financial
> Disaster
> > > upon
> > > > the Union?
> > >
> > >
> > > Like the financial disaster known as the
> > ACA????
> >
> > Facts please (I wont hold my breath).
>
> LOL. When you use CAP, you really don't have a
> leg to stand on. I suppose I could come back with
> a Heritage study, but I am not a partisan parrot
> like you.
>
> http://news.yahoo.com/cbo-obamacare-price-tag-shif
> ts-940-billion-1-163500655.html
>
>
> > how about the ACA will save $1.9 Billion dollars
> -
> > read up
> >
> http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/healthcare/
>
> >
> report/2013/10/23/77537/the-affordable-care-acts-l
>
> >
> ower-than-projected-premiums-will-save-190-billion
>
> > /
> >
> > Oh and thanks VA GOP for not taking 5 million a
> > day from the feds to help us on principle. Im
> > glad we can be the shining light of your
> > principles for the nation rather than taking
> much
> > needed money to help our own. Great
> > representation.
>
> The only way Obamacare saves money is by not
> having states take the money. You can't have it
> both ways.
You dont like studies cited but you provide nothing. No facts, no counter points based on studies or even numbers - just tribal thinking. You have no idea of any facts you just believe what you believe and put down anyone even trying to introduce a discussion based on evidence.
Why do you waste your time even talking about things you believe but cannot prove?
Re: State GOP stood on principle
Posted by:
like this one?
()
Date: July 22, 2014 01:54PM
studies Wrote:
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> like this one? Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > 5 million a day Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > like this one? Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > kYbuF Wrote:
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > >
> > > > -----
> > > >
> > > > > is there nothing the GOP cannot destroy?
> > Do
> > > > they
> > > > > ever get tired of visiting Financial
> > Disaster
> > > > upon
> > > > > the Union?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Like the financial disaster known as the
> > > ACA????
> > >
> > > Facts please (I wont hold my breath).
> >
> > LOL. When you use CAP, you really don't have a
> > leg to stand on. I suppose I could come back
> with
> > a Heritage study, but I am not a partisan
> parrot
> > like you.
> >
> >
> http://news.yahoo.com/cbo-obamacare-price-tag-shif
>
> > ts-940-billion-1-163500655.html
> >
> >
> > > how about the ACA will save $1.9 Billion
> dollars
> > -
> > > read up
> > >
> >
> http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/healthcare/
>
> >
> > >
> >
> report/2013/10/23/77537/the-affordable-care-acts-l
>
> >
> > >
> >
> ower-than-projected-premiums-will-save-190-billion
>
> >
> > > /
> > >
> > > Oh and thanks VA GOP for not taking 5 million
> a
> > > day from the feds to help us on principle.
> Im
> > > glad we can be the shining light of your
> > > principles for the nation rather than taking
> > much
> > > needed money to help our own. Great
> > > representation.
> >
> > The only way Obamacare saves money is by not
> > having states take the money. You can't have
> it
> > both ways.
>
> You dont like studies cited but you provide
> nothing. No facts, no counter points based on
> studies or even numbers - just tribal thinking.
> You have no idea of any facts you just believe
> what you believe and put down anyone even trying
> to introduce a discussion based on evidence.
Umm, there's a link right up there that I provided from Yahoo!News discussing the non-partisan CBO report about the cost of the ACA. Perhaps you missed it there, dimwit?
> Why do you waste your time even talking about
> things you believe but cannot prove?
Umm, again, there is a link there that links to the original CBO report - http://cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/03-13-Coverage%20Estimates.pdf
Are you this slow in real life or just play an idiot on the internet?
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> like this one? Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > 5 million a day Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > like this one? Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > kYbuF Wrote:
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > >
> > > > -----
> > > >
> > > > > is there nothing the GOP cannot destroy?
> > Do
> > > > they
> > > > > ever get tired of visiting Financial
> > Disaster
> > > > upon
> > > > > the Union?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Like the financial disaster known as the
> > > ACA????
> > >
> > > Facts please (I wont hold my breath).
> >
> > LOL. When you use CAP, you really don't have a
> > leg to stand on. I suppose I could come back
> with
> > a Heritage study, but I am not a partisan
> parrot
> > like you.
> >
> >
> http://news.yahoo.com/cbo-obamacare-price-tag-shif
>
> > ts-940-billion-1-163500655.html
> >
> >
> > > how about the ACA will save $1.9 Billion
> dollars
> > -
> > > read up
> > >
> >
> http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/healthcare/
>
> >
> > >
> >
> report/2013/10/23/77537/the-affordable-care-acts-l
>
> >
> > >
> >
> ower-than-projected-premiums-will-save-190-billion
>
> >
> > > /
> > >
> > > Oh and thanks VA GOP for not taking 5 million
> a
> > > day from the feds to help us on principle.
> Im
> > > glad we can be the shining light of your
> > > principles for the nation rather than taking
> > much
> > > needed money to help our own. Great
> > > representation.
> >
> > The only way Obamacare saves money is by not
> > having states take the money. You can't have
> it
> > both ways.
>
> You dont like studies cited but you provide
> nothing. No facts, no counter points based on
> studies or even numbers - just tribal thinking.
> You have no idea of any facts you just believe
> what you believe and put down anyone even trying
> to introduce a discussion based on evidence.
Umm, there's a link right up there that I provided from Yahoo!News discussing the non-partisan CBO report about the cost of the ACA. Perhaps you missed it there, dimwit?
> Why do you waste your time even talking about
> things you believe but cannot prove?
Umm, again, there is a link there that links to the original CBO report - http://cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/03-13-Coverage%20Estimates.pdf
Are you this slow in real life or just play an idiot on the internet?
Re: State GOP stood on principle
Posted by:
Glad VA rejected Fed pusher
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Date: July 22, 2014 04:56PM
VA Republicans were correct to reject Medicaid expansion. The federal government, which Virginians pay for with their taxes, initially picks up the whole tab. But within a few years, VA would have to pay part of the cost, adding an enormous and ballooning expense to an already tight budget. It was financially responsible, which is something sorely lacking in politicians in recent years.
ACA set it up as a drug dealer might. Here, try it, I'll pay for it. But then you are caught in it and have to pay forever. I'm sure President Obama understands this concept.
ACA set it up as a drug dealer might. Here, try it, I'll pay for it. But then you are caught in it and have to pay forever. I'm sure President Obama understands this concept.
Re: State GOP stood on principle
Posted by:
Gerrymanderer2
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Date: July 22, 2014 08:26PM
They're bankrupting the state and rural hospitals and putting the premiums of all Virginians at risk all to deny the poor access to health care.
And they call that principle. More like morally corrupt.
And they call that principle. More like morally corrupt.
Re: State GOP stood on principle
Posted by:
9umew
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Date: July 22, 2014 08:39PM
Glad VA rejected Fed pusher Wrote:
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> VA Republicans were correct to reject Medicaid
> expansion. The federal government, which
> Virginians pay for with their taxes, initially
> picks up the whole tab. But within a few years, VA
> would have to pay part of the cost, adding an
> enormous and ballooning expense to an already
> tight budget. It was financially responsible,
> which is something sorely lacking in politicians
> in recent years.
>
> ACA set it up as a drug dealer might. Here, try
> it, I'll pay for it. But then you are caught in it
> and have to pay forever. I'm sure President Obama
> understands this concept.
Bullshit - we pay 100 percent of the cost of care for the poor now. They just gave away 5 million a day out of the pockets of Virginia for political theater. ACA is the law of the land, this sort of 'protest' is childish and stupid.
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> VA Republicans were correct to reject Medicaid
> expansion. The federal government, which
> Virginians pay for with their taxes, initially
> picks up the whole tab. But within a few years, VA
> would have to pay part of the cost, adding an
> enormous and ballooning expense to an already
> tight budget. It was financially responsible,
> which is something sorely lacking in politicians
> in recent years.
>
> ACA set it up as a drug dealer might. Here, try
> it, I'll pay for it. But then you are caught in it
> and have to pay forever. I'm sure President Obama
> understands this concept.
Bullshit - we pay 100 percent of the cost of care for the poor now. They just gave away 5 million a day out of the pockets of Virginia for political theater. ACA is the law of the land, this sort of 'protest' is childish and stupid.
Re: State GOP stood on principle
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Glad VA rejected Fed pusher
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Date: July 22, 2014 09:05PM
I note that both negative responses fail to address the fact that under the ACA Virginia would pick up 10% of these additional costs within a few years, costing the states many, many billions over the next couple of decades. Do you deny this fact?
You could ask President Obama about it but will have to wait. He's on a 3-day fundraising trip. Luckily nothing much is going on in the world right now, much like when he when he took off for Las Vegas to raise cash on the night of September 11, 2012.
Just hope he has time to get in a little golf.
BTW, turns out that Lois Lerner's hard drive only got scratched in the weeks after congressional investigators started poking around the IRS. Of course it's hard to know the status, since the IRS keeps telling contradictory stories. Maybe the hard drives of her associates, which all crashed about the same time, will also be only scratched. Of course Eric Holder will still see nothing, hear nothing, know nothing.
You could ask President Obama about it but will have to wait. He's on a 3-day fundraising trip. Luckily nothing much is going on in the world right now, much like when he when he took off for Las Vegas to raise cash on the night of September 11, 2012.
Just hope he has time to get in a little golf.
BTW, turns out that Lois Lerner's hard drive only got scratched in the weeks after congressional investigators started poking around the IRS. Of course it's hard to know the status, since the IRS keeps telling contradictory stories. Maybe the hard drives of her associates, which all crashed about the same time, will also be only scratched. Of course Eric Holder will still see nothing, hear nothing, know nothing.