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Re: Reston-based Truland Systems suddenly closes its doors after more than a century in business
Posted by: ^^^^^^^^^amen brother^^^^^^^^^^ ()
Date: July 23, 2014 06:23AM

Most Americans can't live without the electron. Good luck with your endeavors and don't let your dykes rust.

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Re: Reston-based Truland Systems suddenly closes its doors after more than a century in business
Posted by: Hypocrite said what? ()
Date: July 23, 2014 06:29AM

Unions = Death of Company Wrote:
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> Blankface Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > To tell you the truth. I worked till the end.
> And
> > I got screwed by this shotty company. The
> people
> > were awesome, that includes the people in home
> > office at reston, the people in the shop, the
> > laborers (Mexicans and el Salvadorian) which
> were
> > also union. you stupid piece of shit. I had
> faith
> > in a company that helped me learn a skill and
> help
> > me keep my head above water in trying times. My
> > fellow field workers stayed until the end also.
> Ya
> > know, I haven't heard anyone touch on this
> matter
> > but it needs to be told. My benefits run out in
> > august. They stopped paying benefits in march.
> > every month the mail and rumors that I believe
> > were put out by higher ups trickling down to
> us;
> > explained that they were paid up. these were
> lies.
> > they were actually pulling from accumulated
> health
> > care benefit hours. Upon finding this out, I
> went
> > on that Monday 7/21/14 to quit. But instead I
> was
> > told to pack my bags. you see I am a good man,
> and
> > I am loyal to a principle of being paid what I
> am
> > worth. and I will tell you when I dug ditches
> to
> > run ground wire I was not a lazy worker. no one
> at
> > my job was lazy. if obesity is an epidemic, ive
> > surely never seen it at a job site. your
> insulting
> > the people that put up your fucking office that
> > you work out of. we also performed telecom work
> so
> > that network that you use at your job was
> > installed by a highly trained professional.
> paper
> > pushers we are not, but maybe pipe carriers or
> > heavy lifters or willing to die for our job,
> > because we love what we do. we were chosen over
> > others because we had a reputation to get the
> job
> > done right. Where was m.c. dean? not union,
> > correct?
> > we put up energy efficient l.e.ds in Arlington
> and
> > Montgomery county, worked on the national
> harbor
> > for the Gaylord hotel, blood sweat and tears.
> we
> > worked countless overtime hours and didn't see
> our
> > families. But we were committed. You kick us
> when
> > we are down. we are the back bones of America.
> and
> > we are strong. Its called international brother
> > hood of electrical workers. see the first part
> of
> > that international. we get the job done and go
> on
> > to the next one. It was the ibew that gave me a
> > job off the street and trained me. they payed a
> > salary to where I could live 11.83 to be an r1.
> no
> > job would have hired me before and if they did
> > like starbucks I got 8.50 an hour the most I
> ever
> > got paid was 10 dollars an hour till I was put
> on
> > the books. They watch out for americans who
> don't
> > have rich mommy and daddys. who don't have a
> trust
> > fund. but we want what you have and if we have
> to
> > come take it then so be it. we are brothers and
> we
> > sisters, everyone will always have their
> opinions
> > and reservations. but ill be damned if you talk
> > about my family like that. rob truland was an
> > asshole btw. if the company went in the shitter
> it
> > wasn't because of us workers or some flimsy
> prick
> > in the office making 50,000 a year to sit on
> his
> > ass, shit in a real toilet that flushes,
> breathes
> > central air, get 3 smoke breaks and a lunch and
> go
> > to a break room for coffee refills.
> >
> > And it wasn't the unions fault, they give out
> > skilled workers to make sure the building
> doesn't
> > burn down. it was rob's. The man owned a
> fucking
> > rembrandt, I cant even imagine what he paid for
> > it. he hung it in his office. he owns a non
> profit
> > organizations which makes charitable donations
> to
> > fine art galleries, SEEMS EXPENSIVE.he has a
> party
> > every year at his mansion, and hires out us
> > workers to be his help. do we get an invitation
> to
> > this shmoosing benefit? no. just more work. he
> was
> > an asshole. I once got pulled of the job to
> come
> > to home office, to move furniture. there were
> > plenty of what looked like men there who could
> > have done it. but the slacks and skinny fat
> guts
> > got in the way I guess. being an office slave
> must
> > be great, lack of movement, eating wendys.
> sounds
> > great. but the fact that he spent money, so I
> > could do something that office people couldn't
> do,
> > show me his management skills. I once helped a
> > friend of his move her paintings for 16 hours.
> > what an economical person. But that's rob for
> ya.
> > spending other people money and time. what im
> > trying to get at here. is that we are people
> too.
> > I don't know what im going to be doing for the
> > next week. wondering if ill be paid my money
> and
> > overtime. or get my benefit money back. which
> by
> > the way they pocketed. and BY non union company.
> I
> > rest my case. And just wait till the Chinese,
> > Indians and Philippinos come and take your job.
> > ill be sitting there laughing my ass off.
> > especially when you become union. do you think
> > were worth less or something. that we don't
> > deserve a reasonable pay. that we should just
> live
> > paycheck to paycheck. if anything were still
> > underpaid. most of us live in the country. I
> have
> > to rent a room because im from NOVA. but most
> guys
> > are from front royal, pennsyvania Richmond and
> > they commute in every day to make sure they
> have
> > food on the table for their wives. and their
> wives
> > aren't some prissy bitch like yours who will
> leave
> > you on the drop of a dime. these women stick by
> > their men, because they do the impossible every
> > day. I would love to see you open up a pringle
> > switch and see if you know what your doing.
> > because you know everything. And when that
> blast
> > that's 10,000 times that of the surface of the
> sun
> > melts the flesh of your face, youll wish
> someone
> > who went to school for it, had taken care of it.
> I
> > have a life because of the union. Go and tell
> an
> > ex truland this shit, go to the hall and tell
> it
> > to their face. they will fuck you up. must be
> easy
> > to talk shit behind a computer. and to the guys
> on
> > here in the know. thanks for the info/supports.
> > hopefully it will help us in our suit against
> > truland...and thanks for staying to the end.
>
> I know all about your union, I saw the guys at my
> job from your same union take smoke breaks every
> hour on the hour (I know I timed them). Also saw
> them goof off and do what would amount to about
> 30% to 40% a day, costing our company money and
> running into cost overuns. I'm not saying that's
> you, but if that's how Truland operated it's no
> wonder it went into the toilet. While I see the
> need for unions in some places, for the most part
> these days, they kill corporations.


You just admitted to wasting your companies time watching others work. Really stupid,dipshit.

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Re: Reston-based Truland Systems suddenly closes its doors after more than a century in business
Posted by: Unions = Death of Company ()
Date: July 23, 2014 06:35AM

Hypocrite said what? Wrote:
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>
> You just admitted to wasting your companies time
> watching others work. Really stupid,dipshit.


No, my company made it part of our duties to monitor the workman. There was an incident where a large pipe was left unsecured that broke its harness, fell down about 15 feet, and damaged some conduit. All because these union contractors were in a hurry to take their smoke break and didn't secure it properly. They were going to be fired, but the Union jumped in and complained. Even though our company had the electronic records for each of the union contractors when they came back into the building after coming back from their smoke breaks. (About a dozen times in an 8 hour day, and let's not forget lunch breaks on top of that).

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Re: Reston-based Truland Systems suddenly closes its doors after more than a century in business
Posted by: Meme ()
Date: July 23, 2014 07:33AM

That is so mean to say. Some of the employees knew Truland was in trouble but believed in the company. Maybe Karma will come full swing for such a mean spirited comment.

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Re: Reston-based Truland Systems suddenly closes its doors after more than a century in business
Posted by: Meme ()
Date: July 23, 2014 07:41AM

Mr. Truland routinely opened his home to families of his workers. Every year he would host a summer picnic for his employees and their families. He is an honest man and it is a shame that this has happened. If he was in a position to pay his employees for work done up until they closed, he should. Truland is a global company and their wages should be taken from other areas that are still in operation. This whole thing is wrong and something definitely isn't right.

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Re: Reston-based Truland Systems suddenly closes its doors after more than a century in business
Posted by: Unions = Death of Company ()
Date: July 23, 2014 07:42AM

Meme Wrote:
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> That is so mean to say. Some of the employees knew
> Truland was in trouble but believed in the
> company. Maybe Karma will come full swing for such
> a mean spirited comment.

How is that mean? I personally saw Truland workers goofing off, not just once or twice, every-freaking-day!

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Re: Truland Electric sends employees home
Posted by: Its For The Best ()
Date: July 23, 2014 08:03AM

We should applaud anything, no matter how seemingly painful, that eliminates Union jobs, as it's the corrupt unions that consistently back the leftwing political candidates while moving the USA towards a North Korean-style socialist dictatorship.

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Re: Reston-based Truland Systems suddenly closes its doors after more than a century in business
Posted by: Restore the Union ()
Date: July 23, 2014 08:34AM

Unions = Death of Company Wrote:
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> Meme Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > That is so mean to say. Some of the employees
> knew
> > Truland was in trouble but believed in the
> > company. Maybe Karma will come full swing for
> such
> > a mean spirited comment.
>
> How is that mean? I personally saw Truland workers
> goofing off, not just once or twice,
> every-freaking-day!

Wasting your life watching others work is no way to go thru life.
Ouit acting like a rat and do something productive. Like getting a job.
rats carry the plague.

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Re: Reston-based Truland Systems suddenly closes its doors after more than a century in business
Posted by: Ce6vu ()
Date: July 23, 2014 08:35AM

Restore the Union Wrote:
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> Unions = Death of Company Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Meme Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > That is so mean to say. Some of the employees
> > knew
> > > Truland was in trouble but believed in the
> > > company. Maybe Karma will come full swing for
> > such
> > > a mean spirited comment.
> >
> > How is that mean? I personally saw Truland
> workers
> > goofing off, not just once or twice,
> > every-freaking-day!
>
> Wasting your life watching others work is no way
> to go thru life.
> Ouit acting like a rat and do something
> productive. Like getting a job.
> rats carry the plague.

Looks like because of your union friends, his management made it part of his job. Unions are made up of useless people.

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Re: Truland Electric sends employees home
Posted by: Not such a great company? ()
Date: July 23, 2014 08:41AM

I noticed that all the reviews for the company (Yelp, Yahoo, etc.) have been pulled down. There were 20 negative comments for the location in Reston alone. It must be that outstanding (or should I stay standing around?) customer service.

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Re: Reston-based Truland Systems suddenly closes its doors after more than a century in business
Posted by: "Got me an led flashlight" ()
Date: July 23, 2014 09:36AM

Ce6vu Wrote:
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> Restore the Union Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Unions = Death of Company Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Meme Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > That is so mean to say. Some of the
> employees
> > > knew
> > > > Truland was in trouble but believed in the
> > > > company. Maybe Karma will come full swing
> for
> > > such
> > > > a mean spirited comment.
> > >
> > > How is that mean? I personally saw Truland
> > workers
> > > goofing off, not just once or twice,
> > > every-freaking-day!
> >
> > Wasting your life watching others work is no
> way
> > to go thru life.
> > Ouit acting like a rat and do something
> > productive. Like getting a job.
> > rats carry the plague.
>
> Looks like because of your union friends, his
> management made it part of his job. Unions are
> made up of useless people.

Probably one the maintenance boys with a pair of channel locks and four/one screwdriver in back pocket. They're already standing around. Hopefully he learned what's positive and negative about electrical work.

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Re: Reston-based Truland Systems suddenly closes its doors after more than a century in business
Posted by: thoughts ()
Date: July 23, 2014 09:49AM

a couple thoughts: Truland was in business for over 100 years. In that time it pumped billions of dollars into the local economy, salaries, taxes, charities, and more. It survived multiple market corrections including the great depression. There are lessons to be learned that include not growing too fast, not putting too "many eggs in one basket," keeping greed and ego in check, etc.

It is not fair to blame the union for Trualand's demise, but it is fair to say that the disproportionately high union labor cost puts a strain on company resources, reduces profitability, and is a contributing factor to Truland's lack of liquidity and the outsourcing of millions of jobs from dozens of industries nationwide. While a well founded concept, unions have run their course and continue to negatively impact the manufacturing sector of America.

It is tragic to see a century old company come to pass and all that can be done is hope that the former employees find suitable employment in a short period of time.

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Re: Reston-based Truland Systems suddenly closes its doors after more than a century in business
Posted by: tDPvG ()
Date: July 23, 2014 09:50AM

thoughts Wrote:
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> a couple thoughts: Truland was in business for
> over 100 years. In that time it pumped billions
> of dollars into the local economy, salaries,
> taxes, charities, and more. It survived multiple
> market corrections including the great depression.
> There are lessons to be learned that include not
> growing too fast, not putting too "many eggs in
> one basket," keeping greed and ego in check, etc.
>
> It is not fair to blame the union for Trualand's
> demise, but it is fair to say that the
> disproportionately high union labor cost puts a
> strain on company resources, reduces
> profitability, and is a contributing factor to
> Truland's lack of liquidity and the outsourcing of
> millions of jobs from dozens of industries
> nationwide. While a well founded concept, unions
> have run their course and continue to negatively
> impact the manufacturing sector of America.
>
> It is tragic to see a century old company come to
> pass and all that can be done is hope that the
> former employees find suitable employment in a
> short period of time.

I think you summed it up well.

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Re: Truland Electric sends employees home
Posted by: someemails ()
Date: July 23, 2014 09:51AM

As most of you know, we have experienced some unanticipated setbacks in our cash collection efforts. As a result, you may experience a day or two delay in getting your paycheck. But you will get paid. Our cash collections next week appear brighter, so we don’t expect to experience this again. Thank you for your patience and understanding.

Thank you.

Al Brasauskas
Chief Financial Officer
The Truland Group, Inc.
1900 Oracle Way, Suite 700
Reston, VA 20190
(703) 464-3006 (O)
(240) 876-4471 (M)
abrasauskas@ truland.com

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Re: Truland Electric sends employees home
Posted by: someemails ()
Date: July 23, 2014 09:52AM

To All Truland Associates,


As most of you are aware, a number of non-union associates are awaiting payment of wages/salaries that was to be issued on Thursday, July 17. The intent of this message is to apologize for this situation, explain the cause, and let you know what we are doing to keep this from happening again.

First and foremost, I regret that this happened. I see the hard work and dedication that each of you has put forth in spite of very challenging circumstances. You and your families deserve to feel secure in the fact that you will be compensated for the work that you have performed. Every effort is being made to get everyone whole and to keep it from recurring.

Truland’s management and restructuring team work diligently on collections to maximize our receipts. Unfortunately, it is a rare project where payments are current and some owner or general contractor isn’t playing games with our money. This week, there were several large checks promised to us that never came in.

We now have sufficient funds to cover the outstanding wages which were processed today. Based on this schedule, direct deposits to associate accounts should hit Monday July 21.

Cash collections for the coming weeks are projected to be sufficient to cover payroll for the entirety of Truland’s workforce. Additionally, we are pursuing new sources of working capital to offset the singular reliance on collections to fund our operations.

In closing, I wish to thank each and every one of you for your loyalty throughout what has been the most challenging period in Truland’s long history. If it were not for your willingness to stay the course and continue to give 110% regardless of the obstacles, this company would not have been able to withstand the challenges it has.




Rob Truland

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Re: Reston-based Truland Systems suddenly closes its doors after more than a century in business
Posted by: In The Biz ()
Date: July 23, 2014 09:54AM

Rumor had it the company was being sold. As this was going on the owners emptied out the cash. The sale fell through and Truland had no money to pay the bills.
Greedy people with no morals or consciense of their actions onto others.

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Re: Truland Electric sends employees home
Posted by: rumor611 ()
Date: July 23, 2014 10:24AM

I heard Rob sold the Richmond & Service division of his company to his son in law; who owns some paper supply company or something. Basically this guy has been stealing from Truland for years (overpriced contracts with the supplies).

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Re: Truland Electric sends employees home
Posted by: miss information ()
Date: July 23, 2014 10:35AM

you are absolutely wrong

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Re: Truland Electric sends employees home
Posted by: Indulgeus ()
Date: July 23, 2014 10:40AM

Give us the real deal then.

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Re: Reston-based Truland Systems suddenly closes its doors after more than a century in business
Posted by: blankface ()
Date: July 23, 2014 12:06PM

Clark would hand out bonus gifts like carhart jackets, tools and gift cards for monitoring safety. We were literally supposed to watch other people. Our customer encouraged it. I also don't know if you know what its like to be on your feet all day long. But the last thing you want to do is stand around. 1. its boring as hell and time screeches to a halt. 2. You can be fired union or not. 3. It hurts your back and feet just standing there.

And The picnic was for his office workers and friends. Not the MASSIVE amount of workers, who put the work in around the clock, to get the job jone, so he could afford his fancy possessions. Ill tell you that 7 12s aren't all that great. neither are 7 10s. lol

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Re: Reston-based Truland Systems suddenly closes its doors after more than a century in business
Posted by: blankface ()
Date: July 23, 2014 12:18PM

We should applaud anything, no matter how seemingly painful, that eliminates Union jobs, as it's the corrupt unions that consistently back the leftwing political candidates while moving the USA towards a North Korean-style socialist dictatorship.

Comments like this are un-necessary. Something tells me you were a part of SDS in college. This subject is about truland going under not how aliens are taking over the world or what you hear on npr. I bet you hope into all the forums and drop this radical neo American crap. Please people. Can we get to the point. Us guys go union because the "private" sector will not pay us healthcare and they don't care about safety nor will they have 401k, profit sharing or on the job training for confined space training, knife safety etc.. The unions protect us workers, because as you say the US or any other place is unjust. Because people are pigs. Im not going to work a physical job, get arthritis and not be able to afford health insurance when I retire. I guess its ok for everyone else to get these things but us construction guys?4

btw how is the aluminum hat working for you?

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Re: Reston-based Truland Systems suddenly closes its doors after more than a century in business
Posted by: blankface ()
Date: July 23, 2014 12:31PM

I noticed that all the reviews for the company (Yelp, Yahoo, etc.) have been pulled down. There were 20 negative comments for the location in Reston alone. It must be that outstanding (or should I stay standing around?) customer service.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Yeah and all those non union office workers. You know I went there once for a pickup and I kept seeing the same guys going down for smoke breaks every 15 minutes. Must be nice. But if I could be serious here for a moment. The problem was not with the majority of office workers or majority of union workers. It was the fact that they tied all their money and assets in Utah. While they still had projects over here. They got greedy. They didn't want to be a local company, but branch out. Its really sad. Because now some other company has to come in and finish the job. I don't care about myself as much as I care about the families that needed that paycheck to eat. And what I am angry about is the possibility of not getting paid for my work or having to come in on a sat. to get the work done. But I am mostly distressed about the innocents. If its not bad enough of losing our jobs. Its the people who come on and kick us when were down. Disrespecting our wives. That's un-necessary, that when they divorce us you'll be ready to hook up with them. Do you have a soul? But us unions are obvious scum.

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Re: Reston-based Truland Systems suddenly closes its doors after more than a century in business
Posted by: blankface ()
Date: July 23, 2014 12:42PM

As most of you know, we have experienced some unanticipated setbacks in our cash collection efforts. As a result, you may experience a day or two delay in getting your paycheck. But you will get paid. Our cash collections next week appear brighter, so we don’t expect to experience this again. Thank you for your patience and understanding.

Thank you.

Al Brasauskas
Chief Financial Officer
The Truland Group, Inc.
1900 Oracle Way, Suite 700
Reston, VA 20190
(703) 464-3006 (O)
(240) 876-4471 (M)
abrasauskas@ truland.com

I remember this email. it was sent last week when they delayed our pay. I loved the choice words: "appear" and "expect". Sounded like they didn't even know. great pr. but that was before door closing. so we might not even get paid this week. im crossing my fingers. because I need to eat. Unfortunately the area I grew up in has a cost of living that requires you to make at least 20 dollars an hour so you can have car insurance, pay for gas and eat. I love NOVA but because of a higher cost of living, the union protects us. and gives us a livable wage. the fact that people make 8.50 an hour still in this area. blows my mind. but I guess some people ok with that. as long as it lowers the cost of their frappachino.

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Re: Reston-based Truland Systems suddenly closes its doors after more than a century in business
Posted by: blankface ()
Date: July 23, 2014 12:45PM

Additionally, we are pursuing new sources of working capital to offset the singular reliance on collections to fund our operations.^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


How did that work out for ya?

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Re: Truland Electric sends employees home
Posted by: Bill.N. ()
Date: July 23, 2014 01:32PM

Its For The Best Wrote:
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> We should applaud anything, no matter how
> seemingly painful, that eliminates Union jobs, as
> it's the corrupt unions that consistently back the
> leftwing political candidates while moving the USA
> towards a North Korean-style socialist
> dictatorship.

Chances are that without unions, their predecessors and political movements that sought to achieve the same ends, you'd be a peasant working in a field or the factory equivalent.

The problem is not union v. non-union. It goes back to the basic human frailties. A person of weak moral character and/or poor work ethic is going to undermine things whether he is running the company, running the union or working for the company. A greedy investor intent on sucking as much money out of a company as possible can kill it off just as effectively as a bunch of greedy workers demanding far more in compensation and benefits than the company can afford to pay.

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Re: Truland Electric sends employees home
Posted by: Priapus ()
Date: July 23, 2014 02:11PM

Is this related to gov't cutback to contractors?

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Re: Truland Electric sends employees home
Posted by: daily job cuts ()
Date: July 23, 2014 02:28PM

Not on the list yet.

http://www.dailyjobcuts.com/

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Re: Truland Electric sends employees home
Posted by: New Jobs ()
Date: July 23, 2014 02:32PM


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Re: Truland Electric sends employees home
Posted by: HMW9k ()
Date: July 23, 2014 03:18PM

Do we know how many lost their jobs?

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Re: Truland Electric sends employees home
Posted by: Hrundi V Bakshi ()
Date: July 23, 2014 03:19PM

HMW9k Wrote:
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> Do we know how many lost their jobs?

I heard 700+

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Re: Truland Electric sends employees home
Posted by: HMW9k ()
Date: July 23, 2014 03:21PM

Hrundi V Bakshi Wrote:
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> HMW9k Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Do we know how many lost their jobs?
>
> I heard 700+

Is it all the locations or just the Reston? Their website is still up by the way with no announcements about closing down.

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Re: Truland Electric sends employees home
Posted by: Hrundi V Bakshi ()
Date: July 23, 2014 03:28PM

I believe that's in Reston, Richmond and Baltimore. Basically everyone who worked for Truland was let go.

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Re: Truland Electric sends employees home
Posted by: Union Victory ()
Date: July 23, 2014 05:18PM

Another victory for the job-killing Unions! Hooray! How's that union membership (protecting jobs? riiiiiight!) working out for you?

Fact - unions kill businesses. Killing a business does NOT generate jobs. When will libtards ever learn this?

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Re: Truland Electric sends employees home
Posted by: UnionCurious ()
Date: July 23, 2014 05:43PM

Of all the people bashing unions on here, I have a question? Do any of you personally know any non-union electricians whose opportunity for work has been affected in any way by a Truland electrician.

I am not an electrician (Truland or otherwise). I don't have a strong opinion on the union debate. I am just curious about any direct evidence that shows that the people who lost their jobs this week have done harm to any non-union job seekers by going to work and choosing to do it as a union worker.

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Re: Truland Electric sends employees home
Posted by: Greed is Good? ()
Date: July 23, 2014 06:11PM

Union Victory Wrote:
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> Another victory for the job-killing Unions!
> Hooray! How's that union membership (protecting
> jobs? riiiiiight!) working out for you?
>
> Fact - unions kill businesses. Killing a business
> does NOT generate jobs. When will libtards ever
> learn this?

If so, then it is a very ssslllooowww way to kill a business, taking decades.

More telling is the following statement from the CEO: "Cash collections for the coming weeks are projected to be sufficient to cover payroll for the entirety of Truland’s workforce. Additionally, we are pursuing new sources of working capital to offset the singular reliance on collections to fund our operations."

Cash collections? What successful business of any size manages their cash flow via "cash collections"? A century of being in business and it's management has never heard of a line of credit?

Evidently this business was either being run by people lacking the business acumen to operate a profitable lemonade stand on a bike path; or people with the scruples of Gordon Geeko.

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Re: Truland Electric sends employees home
Posted by: Missed the news vans ()
Date: July 23, 2014 06:27PM

Unfortunately I wasn't outside whenever the news was there. They'd be having a great live report about how I really feel about Rob. There were only 5 or 6 of us still left in the office today. We'll see who remains tomorrow.

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Re: Truland Electric sends employees home
Posted by: They're coming to take it away ()
Date: July 23, 2014 06:28PM

When you are about to get your ass sued off,you lock the doors and skip town.
It's the American way.
One Hundred Five years down the drain.

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Re: Reston-based Truland Systems suddenly closes its doors after more than a century in business
Posted by: Past escapee ()
Date: July 23, 2014 06:57PM

Hard for little Robbie to make statement to the media from Tuscanny. Isn't that where Lamboginni factory is?

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Re: Truland Electric sends employees home
Posted by: Hiding in the office ()
Date: July 23, 2014 07:02PM

Oh he's still here... His pretty little Tesla parked in his reserved spot.

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Re: Reston-based Truland Systems suddenly closes its doors after more than a century in business
Posted by: Annonymous ()
Date: July 23, 2014 07:47PM

Rob Truland cared....... Cared about getting his artwork out of the office yesterday before the bank came in to seize all assets. Actually hired approximately 10 people to do so while countless long term employees weren't paid.

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Re: Truland Electric sends employees home
Posted by: Justsomequestions ()
Date: July 23, 2014 11:22PM

What are the likely hood that they are going to pay us for last week? You people still in the office have any idea?

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Re: Reston-based Truland Systems suddenly closes its doors after more than a century in business
Posted by: Mountain Man ()
Date: July 24, 2014 05:23AM

NOVA-EC nailed it. I resigned fron the Company two years ago after working there for over 20 years... It's very sad.

A serious of bad decisions, allowing the thieves to run the company and the non involvement of the Owner is what killed it.

NOVA-EC Wrote:
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> There was VC at Truland but not at the point of
> its closing. The company was very successful for
> many years. In the early 2000's, Truland made some
> very smart business decisions. At a time when
> companies were folding, Truland saw the
> opportunity to diversify their markets, buy
> several companies, expand their breadth across the
> country and around the world. Large
> (percentage-based) incentives were offered to
> office and field staff for safety and
> profitability. It was the time for "wolves" to
> make large amounts of money, but wolves will get
> out of hand unless they are kept at bay. In 2010,
> when the president of the company left, there was
> nobody in place to keep the wolves at bay. The
> owner did not hire a replacement, and assumed the
> title, but not the role. Combine that with the
> struggles of an extremely competitive market
> sector to which several of the Truland companies
> were subject ($1M - $10M projects), the decision
> was made that several of the smaller companies
> couldn't be profitable on their own, and these
> operations were consolidated. Now, these smaller
> operations had the overhead of the Goliath Truland
> Systems, trying to compete in this competitive
> market; not to mention many of the employees
> uprooted by this consolidation were former
> employees of the large company, Truland Systems,
> and were quite resentful of being told they now
> work for their former employer. Around this time,
> there were several incidents of mass exodus - a
> couple rounds of layoffs, followed by quite a few
> resignations resulting from the consolidation, the
> "wolves", and the general uncertainty. Through all
> of this, Truland never replaced the president, and
> the CEO was not in touch with the mid-level
> management or field staff. At this point, the
> company really started to decompose. A couple of
> the "wolves" were terminated, but this was too
> late. The effects of the uncertainty had trickled
> down to the mid-level management all the way down
> to the helpers in the field. Between the time
> spent on rumors and the lack of employee
> motivation, the production really staggered; and I
> can only imagine quite a bit of employee theft.
> Not to mention, the aforementioned bonuses were no
> longer honored. To address and mask these
> problems, it is quite apparent that Truland spent
> a lot of effort on PR, both internally to stop the
> rumors, and externally, to keep all the issues off
> social media.
> By this point, the owner really wanted out of the
> company, but was unable to sell it for a decent
> price. Finally, an offer was made that was
> acceptable, but within days of the sale, Truland
> was made aware that the new owner would file for
> bankruptcy (prob. Chapter 11), and Truland backed
> out (prob due to pride in longevity). Now, less
> than 3 months later, Truland was forced into a
> position of what appears to be Chapter 7.
> It really is sad to see what came of Truland.
> There was a time not that long ago, people worked
> their entire careers there (50+ years). It had
> nothing to do with the Union, nor did it have
> anything to do with the greed of the owner. Just a
> really bad, really long series of bad decisions.
> The story of Truland over the last 10 years is
> really worth understanding - there is bound to be
> several lessons worth learning about business and
> construction management.

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Re: Truland Electric sends employees home
Posted by: UnionBuster ()
Date: July 24, 2014 06:40AM

Re: Reston-based Truland Systems suddenly closes its doors after more than a century in business

Posted by: thoughts ()

Date: July 23, 2014 09:49AM


a couple thoughts: Truland was in business for over 100 years. In that time it pumped billions of dollars into the local economy, salaries, taxes, charities, and more. It survived multiple market corrections including the great depression. There are lessons to be learned that include not growing too fast, not putting too "many eggs in one basket," keeping greed and ego in check, etc.

It is not fair to blame the union for Trualand's demise, but it is fair to say that the disproportionately high union labor cost puts a strain on company resources, reduces profitability, and is a contributing factor to Truland's lack of liquidity and the outsourcing of millions of jobs from dozens of industries nationwide. While a well founded concept, unions have run their course and continue to negatively impact the manufacturing sector of America.

It is tragic to see a century old company come to pass and all that can be done is hope that the former employees find suitable employment in a short period of time.

Very well said. I couldn't agree more. IT is tragic what the unions have done to our work force and even more tragic that the employers have countered the high cost/low productivity of complacent American Workers with a work force willing to work for far less because they are Illegal or half wadges are still better than what they left. Half the people on any construction project in the metro area are illegal but are willing to work for nothing.

Some of the Truland people will find employment with other electrical contractors but they will have to be willing to take the cut in pay and be competitive in the work place. It will be a real wake up call for them. It's unfortunate and I have watched happen day by day for the last 30 years in the DC area.

Many of the guys will retire through the union and will receive the benefits they have earned over the years. The yong guys will have to go to work for real now and compete with the general work force that many of the employers have created. Some will find employment with other union electrical contractors and will be OK or start their own shops and have to decide how their shops will stay competitive with the non union shops. It's how the world turns.

As for labor unions they need to spit their balls out and go unionize the chinese work force. But then they have to get off their fat asses and work for a living. Guess that won't be happening any time soon.

UB

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Re: Truland Electric sends employees home
Posted by: Huh??? ()
Date: July 24, 2014 07:51AM

On no! You lost your job? Well...now what the FUCK are you going to do?

Holy fuck-sicles...weren't you looking for a job when Truland hired you? Here's an idea...go out and find a NEW job.

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Re: Truland Electric sends employees home
Posted by: UtahNSADataCenter ()
Date: July 24, 2014 10:47AM

Rob Truland is still expecting a sizeable check from the government to be paid for the Utah Datacenter project. This is in the 8 figure range.

That bastard better not cash it and hide in the Cayman Island. We must do everything in our power to make sure all the employees that were due a wage are paid.

Don't forget to file a claim with the Department of Labor for unpaid wages. This will also open up an investigation into Truland.

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Re: Truland Electric sends employees home
Posted by: blankface ()
Date: July 24, 2014 11:21AM

Well I didn't get paid. Checked my account this morning. I literally worked for free.

Luckily my wonderful union, found me a job instantly. I start Friday. If I hadn't been union. It would have been extremely difficult to find another job.

Luckily The Union, has high priced lawyers. And we will be suing the dog shit out of this fucker.

Say what you will. I know where my trust lay. To everyone.. including the meek.
Good discussion.

I am washing my hands, and going back to work. Where I make an a good living, and have honest work. LOVE IT. Next time you shit in a port-o-john with shit on the seat. Think of me.

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Re: Truland Electric sends employees home
Posted by: Henro ()
Date: July 24, 2014 11:25AM

Blankface and all of my local26 brothers and sisters.
This is a shock I have worked for and with many Truland folks and YOU are THE BEST
out there. You have my respect and keep your heads high.
The anti's on this thread have never booted up and headed into a dirt hole on a freezing day to build a skyscraper. They have never topped off a building or lit up a stadium. They havent been mentored by the "oldtimers" in crafting their trade and then passed on this to others.
In your pursuit for a living wage they are the loudest ones saying you are lazy and overpaid they deride your labor as inferior to the immagrants who "will work for nothing".
Don't listen to them because they have no idea what you do and how well you do it everyday all day to keep their loud mouth safe in an office that wont catch.

Fuck them and keep on keeping on. You have a trade.

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Re: Truland Electric sends employees home
Posted by: UnionBuster ()
Date: July 24, 2014 12:13PM

Henro Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Blankface and all of my local26 brothers and
> sisters.
> This is a shock I have worked for and with many
> Truland folks and YOU are THE BEST
> out there. You have my respect and keep your
> heads high.
> The anti's on this thread have never booted up and
> headed into a dirt hole on a freezing day to build
> a skyscraper. They have never topped off a
> building or lit up a stadium. They havent been
> mentored by the "oldtimers" in crafting their
> trade and then passed on this to others.
> In your pursuit for a living wage they are the
> loudest ones saying you are lazy and overpaid they
> deride your labor as inferior to the immagrants
> who "will work for nothing".
> Don't listen to them because they have no idea
> what you do and how well you do it everyday all
> day to keep their loud mouth safe in an office
> that wont catch.
>
> Fuck them and keep on keeping on. You have a
> trade.

Henro
You don't know what the fuck you are talking about. I've been building the greater metro area for 35 years. Hospitals, office buildings, Metro, schools, malls and hotels for some of the biggest developers in the area. Name them and I've built for them. Union labor is and always has been a drain on productivity and efficency. It's caused cost over runs and schedule delays and turned what were fairly strait forward projects into legal battles. Dealing with unions is always a pain in the ass because they make demands that are no longer representitive of the real work place.
The union guys always cause friction with the non union guys which further hampers productivity.
So carry on loacl 26, 208, and 28 listen to Henro and see how long it takes for your precious union to find you another job. As far as local 28 goes there isn't a painter out there work 40+ dollars and hour. Not one!
UB

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Re: Reston-based Truland Systems suddenly closes its doors after more than a century in business
Posted by: union forces bankruptcy ()
Date: July 24, 2014 12:36PM

whether you are on the side of the union or not, petitions filed by the union has forced truland to file for a chapter 7 liquidation not a chapter 11 reorganization. This may be a standard operating procedure for the union, but it left truland no chance for a reorganization.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/capitalbusiness/petitions-filed-to-force-truland-group-affiliates-into-bankruptcy/2014/07/23/d7edaba8-1284-11e4-98ee-daea85133bc9_story.html

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Re: Truland Electric sends employees home
Posted by: NOVA-EC ()
Date: July 24, 2014 12:54PM

I really don't see how unions cause cost overruns. It's not like the cost of union labor changes unpredictably. I know what an electrician costs when I bid a job or price a change order; as do my clients. Cost overruns are caused by design issues, indecisive owners, mismanagement of the project by unqualified people on my side (the management side), bad estimates, or mistreatment of employees; pretty much anything other than the field, union or not. If you see a job where the field drags their feet, I guarantee it is because of the management's inability to work with the field; union or not. A manager's responsibility, as well as the foreman's and the labor superintendent's, is to control the variables in the field, and prevent these scenarios in the first place.
As for schedule overruns, all the schedules I've seen dragged out were due to mismanagement of the project above the subcontractor level; either with the owner, CM, or GC (or more likely one or more of the GC's other subs).

I work for a union contractor, but I am not a union employee; and I have to say that I feel pride in the project teams that I work with. I know when I go in to sit with an owner or GC to explain a change order, I can do it with confidence because of the quality and professionalism of my team, and I have never had a client that didn't see the value they have received for the cost. I have never had a field team delay a project; and anyone who blames schedule delays on the field is just looking for a scapegoat, union or otherwise.

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Re: Reston-based Truland Systems suddenly closes its doors after more than a century in business
Posted by: NOVA_EC ()
Date: July 24, 2014 01:02PM

The below post is just nonsense. The petition was filed as a result of Truland closing their doors. Here's a question - what odds would Truland have had of restructuring, when now the bonding companies have taken over the projects and have become a ridiculously large creditor to the organization?

Truland owed the union, vendors, creditors, and non-union employees a lot of money. It's not appropriate to say a creditor has caused a company problems because they are going after the debt that is owed to them.

Chapter 7 is and has been the only option since Monday. And anyone close to the situation knows that Chapter 11 is not productive here, considering they have tried every restructuring plan imaginable, and I don't know a creditor that would agree to any recovery plan Truland could present.

Did Mr. Truland write the below post? Sounds like it.

union forces bankruptcy Wrote:
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> whether you are on the side of the union or not,
> petitions filed by the union has forced truland to
> file for a chapter 7 liquidation not a chapter 11
> reorganization. This may be a standard operating
> procedure for the union, but it left truland no
> chance for a reorganization.
>
>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/capitalbusi
> ness/petitions-filed-to-force-truland-group-affili
> ates-into-bankruptcy/2014/07/23/d7edaba8-1284-11e4
> -98ee-daea85133bc9_story.html

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Re: Truland Electric sends employees home
Posted by: Man-Ass-As ()
Date: July 24, 2014 01:10PM

WOW sucks you all didn't get paid.

Union or not, get your money due!!!!!!

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Re: Truland Electric sends employees home
Posted by: Protected ()
Date: July 24, 2014 01:21PM

I feel bad for the non-union Truland employees that don't have a Union fighting to get them paid for their time worked. I'm guessing they will have to individually file claims for this money???

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Re: Truland Electric sends employees home
Posted by: Bankrupt ()
Date: July 24, 2014 01:31PM

If Truland had filed for chapter 11 yesterday, I believe this would have trumped any involuntary petitions for Chapter 7 filed by the local or the former owner of walker-seal the day before.

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Re: Truland Electric sends employees home
Posted by: Henro's Anal Lover ()
Date: July 24, 2014 01:35PM

Henro Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Blankface and all of my local26 brothers and
> sisters.
> This is a shock I have worked for and with many
> Truland folks and YOU are THE BEST
> out there. You have my respect and keep your
> heads high.
> The anti's on this thread have never booted up and
> headed into a dirt hole on a freezing day to build
> a skyscraper. They have never topped off a
> building or lit up a stadium. They havent been
> mentored by the "oldtimers" in crafting their
> trade and then passed on this to others.
> In your pursuit for a living wage they are the
> loudest ones saying you are lazy and overpaid they
> deride your labor as inferior to the immagrants
> who "will work for nothing".
> Don't listen to them because they have no idea
> what you do and how well you do it everyday all
> day to keep their loud mouth safe in an office
> that wont catch.
>
> Fuck them and keep on keeping on. You have a
> trade.

Fuck us? Uh no, fuck you pal. Oh and...how's your Mother?

Do you know why I've never "booted up" and "headed into a dirt hole" or never "topped off a building" or "lit up a stadium"?

BECAUSE I FUCKING CHOSE NOT TO...YOU FUCKING UNIONIST FUCK!

I never booted up because I fucking degreed up and busted my ass to get a proper education. I never headed into a dirt because I thought it was BETTER IDEA to head into a classroom. I never topped off a building because I was too busy topping off my class rank. I never lit up a stadium because I preferred to watch the games get played FROM MY SKYSUITE!

Nobody when they're growing up says..."I want to be a union electrician". You know why? There's no fucking money in it. Nobody ever got rich knocking out 40 years screwing outlets into a wall and running cable. Nobody. That's a job that chooses YOU because all of your true hopes and dreams went down in flames and then you woke up one day and realized if you were going to put food in your belly, a roof over your head and clothes on your back that you'd better get out there and avoid the live wire.

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Re: Truland Electric sends employees home
Posted by: TotalWinner ()
Date: July 24, 2014 01:46PM

Here's a winner. So much so, he has to point it out to all of us.

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Re: Truland Electric sends employees home
Posted by: your management = fail ()
Date: July 24, 2014 01:58PM

UnionBuster Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------


> Henro
> You don't know what the fuck you are talking
> about. I've been building the greater metro area
> for 35 years. Hospitals, office buildings, Metro,
> schools, malls and hotels for some of the biggest
> developers in the area. Name them and I've built
> for them. Union labor is and always has been a
> drain on productivity and efficency. It's caused
> cost over runs and schedule delays and turned what
> were fairly strait forward projects into legal
> battles. Dealing with unions is always a pain in
> the ass because they make demands that are no
> longer representitive of the real work place.
> The union guys always cause friction with the non
> union guys which further hampers productivity.
> So carry on loacl 26, 208, and 28 listen to Henro
> and see how long it takes for your precious union
> to find you another job. As far as local 28 goes
> there isn't a painter out there work 40+ dollars
> and hour. Not one!
> UB

Nah, it's ALWAYS management's fault for these issues. Your office failed in leadership, clearly, because you attribute fault to someone else. I bet your office took all of the credit, too.

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Re: Truland Electric sends employees home
Posted by: no wonder they don't work ()
Date: July 24, 2014 02:15PM

"Nobody when they're growing up says..."I want to be a union electrician". You know why? There's no fucking money in it. Nobody ever got rich knocking out 40 years screwing outlets into a wall and running cable."


Wow. And I thought those guys made so much money that they ruined the company.

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Re: Truland Electric sends employees home
Posted by: Henro ()
Date: July 24, 2014 02:16PM

Nobody when they're growing up says..."I want to be a union electrician".
This nobody did.

I am so envious of your education and skybox even if it is just in your mind.
TROOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLL on little fella.

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Re: Truland Electric sends employees home
Posted by: Skysuite ()
Date: July 24, 2014 02:47PM

Skysuite? Really?

What a douche.

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Re: Truland Electric sends employees home
Posted by: Gruntled ()
Date: July 24, 2014 03:14PM

There is money to be made as a union electrician -- eventually. However, in the skilled trades, you start off as an apprentice, work your way up to journeyman, and then master, where the money is. Apprentices do not make the big bucks.

At least, that's the way I remember it...

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Re: Truland Electric sends employees home
Posted by: Ludwig ()
Date: July 24, 2014 03:33PM

Worked with Truland on a job. They used to do a lot of government jobs. That was in the 90s.

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Re: Truland Electric sends employees home
Posted by: Utterly screwed ()
Date: July 24, 2014 03:50PM

My husband worked a week and did not get paid for it! Truland is not even giving employees their last paycheck!

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Re: Truland Electric sends employees home
Posted by: Harley for sale ()
Date: July 24, 2014 04:18PM

Utterly screwed Wrote:
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> My husband worked a week and did not get paid for
> it! Truland is not even giving employees their
> last paycheck!


looks like Jackson's at the RTC will be missing one asshole on a new harley.

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Re: Truland Electric sends employees home
Posted by: s1monb3lmont ()
Date: July 24, 2014 04:47PM

People are entirely at liberty to have a personal ideological objection to unions and unionism, however in this case the facts simply do not bear out that the union was the root of the company's demise.

In the DC metro area, a commercial/industrial Journey-level electrician will cost the contractor roughly the same regardless of union affiliation or not. Also keep in mind most of the large-scale projects in the area are subject to the Davis-Bacon Act and/or other prevailing wage determinations, further standardizing the cost of skilled labor across the board, whether subcontracts are awarded to union shops or not.

People like NOVA-EC have articulated in great detail how Truland fell apart, but we keep coming back to the Right/Left "talking points".

If you understand how the industry works, the cost of wages is rarely an issue when the project was bid at the appropriate labor rate and the contractor staffs the project with composite crews of various classifications and apprentices. Unproductive or unqualified workers should be reprimanded and summarily terminated (You can do that with the building trades unions, believe it or not).

Beyond that, any problems completing projects within schedule and hitting profit margins are because of mismanagement and issues with engineering, estimation and design. That's not a "blue vs white collar" bias, its simple fact.

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Re: Truland Electric sends employees home
Posted by: Microbiologist ()
Date: July 24, 2014 08:57PM

Like parasites that kill their hosts, unions will eventually disappear as they bankrupt every organization they infect.

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Re: Truland Electric sends employees home
Posted by: Why is everyone doing this?! ()
Date: July 24, 2014 09:09PM

The only people bitching about unions are people who aren't even involved. People who work for the company have posted about what they saw and heard but everyone keeps bring up fucking unions. Fucking hell.

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Re: Truland Electric sends employees home
Posted by: yeah, it's a crazy site ()
Date: July 24, 2014 09:38PM

That's what happens here. People with an axe to grind come here to grind it. They think other people on here are actually reading their stuff, but mostly it just gets ignored and other people carry on with factually based coherent and civil discussions. It's a pain to have to wade through their crap, but you get numb to their stupid inane tinfoil stuff. The name calling gets really ridiculous on here sometimes and it is pretty much related to the ignorance of the person posting. Once in a while you read a really great insightful post and that makes it worth it.

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Re: Truland Electric sends employees home
Posted by: Dan White ()
Date: July 24, 2014 09:46PM

yeah, it's a crazy site Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> That's what happens here. People with an axe to
> grind come here to grind it. They think other
> people on here are actually reading their stuff,
> but mostly it just gets ignored and other people
> carry on with factually based coherent and civil
> discussions. It's a pain to have to wade through
> their crap, but you get numb to their stupid inane
> tinfoil stuff. The name calling gets really
> ridiculous on here sometimes and it is pretty much
> related to the ignorance of the person posting.
> Once in a while you read a really great insightful
> post and that makes it worth it.

And this post was not one of them.

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Re: Truland Electric sends employees home
Posted by: Ralph White ()
Date: July 24, 2014 10:04PM

Dan White Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> yeah, it's a crazy site Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > That's what happens here. People with an axe
> to
> > grind come here to grind it. They think other
> > people on here are actually reading their
> stuff,
> > but mostly it just gets ignored and other
> people
> > carry on with factually based coherent and
> civil
> > discussions. It's a pain to have to wade
> through
> > their crap, but you get numb to their stupid
> inane
> > tinfoil stuff. The name calling gets really
> > ridiculous on here sometimes and it is pretty
> much
> > related to the ignorance of the person posting.
>
> > Once in a while you read a really great
> insightful
> > post and that makes it worth it.
>
> And this post was not one of them.

Bitch just got served...nice one, Danny boy.

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Re: Truland Electric sends employees home
Posted by: Totally agree ()
Date: July 24, 2014 10:10PM

yeah, it's a crazy site Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> That's what happens here. People with an axe to
> grind come here to grind it. They think other
> people on here are actually reading their stuff,
> but mostly it just gets ignored and other people
> carry on with factually based coherent and civil
> discussions. It's a pain to have to wade through
> their crap, but you get numb to their stupid inane
> tinfoil stuff. The name calling gets really
> ridiculous on here sometimes and it is pretty much
> related to the ignorance of the person posting.
> Once in a while you read a really great insightful
> post and that makes it worth it.


I look here for all kinds of topics, but wouldn't it be nice if all the crap was monitored. I don't mean legitimate opinions, regardless of where they fall, just all the crap. It's really too bad.

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Re: Truland Electric sends employees home
Posted by: Well it looks like it's over. ()
Date: July 24, 2014 10:27PM

I've never been on this forum before. It came up on google when I searched Truland and it was nice to see people actually noticed our situation. But I just clicked through the forum and it looks like every thread gets flooded with more meaningless posts than real posts.

Thanks to everyone who posted genuine thoughts. I won't be back here after this post because it looks like anything true or interesting will be buried with bullshit. Good luck to everyone, there WERE actually a few of us who worked this week to make this easier for you all.

All the best,
The Errand Runner.

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Re: Truland Electric sends employees home
Posted by: Cary.Jihadist ()
Date: July 25, 2014 12:17AM

Totally agree Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> yeah, it's a crazy site Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > That's what happens here. People with an axe
> to
> > grind come here to grind it. They think other
> > people on here are actually reading their
> stuff,
> > but mostly it just gets ignored and other
> people
> > carry on with factually based coherent and
> civil
> > discussions. It's a pain to have to wade
> through
> > their crap, but you get numb to their stupid
> inane
> > tinfoil stuff. The name calling gets really
> > ridiculous on here sometimes and it is pretty
> much
> > related to the ignorance of the person posting.
>
> > Once in a while you read a really great
> insightful
> > post and that makes it worth it.
>
>
> I look here for all kinds of topics, but wouldn't
> it be nice if all the crap was monitored. I don't
> mean legitimate opinions, regardless of where they
> fall, just all the crap. It's really too bad.

Nope. It's not going to happen here. The mod/owner/admin of the site founded it on the principal of free speech. It's very difficult to get your content deleted here and...we like it that way.

Don't like how this forum is run? Change the channel. There are many overly-moderated internet forums that cover issues of NOVA. We don't need more of that. What we do need is more forums devoted to supporting free speech. We're willing to shift through the shenanigans (and they happen hourly here) in order to get internet forum gold.

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Re: Truland Electric sends employees home
Posted by: Totally Agree ()
Date: July 25, 2014 09:22AM

Cary.Jihadist Wrote:
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> Totally agree Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > yeah, it's a crazy site Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > That's what happens here.... It's a pain to have to wade
> > through their crap, but you get numb to their stupid
> > inane tinfoil stuff.... Once in a while you read a really great
> > insightful post and that makes it worth it.
> >
> >
> > I look here for all kinds of topics, but
> wouldn't it be nice if all the crap was monitored. I
> don't mean legitimate opinions, regardless of where
> they fall, just all the crap. It's really too bad.

>
> Nope. It's not going to happen here. The
> mod/owner/admin of the site founded it on the
> principal of free speech. It's very difficult to
> get your content deleted here and...we like it
> that way.
>
> Don't like how this forum is run? Change the
> channel. There are many overly-moderated internet
> forums that cover issues of NOVA. We don't need
> more of that. What we do need is more forums
> devoted to supporting free speech. We're willing
> to shift through the shenanigans (and they happen
> hourly here) in order to get internet forum gold.

Speaking of changing the channel and "What we need is more sites devoted to free speech".....that I can agree with.

The problem here is the amount of crap/junk that is on every thread. The equivalent of a one hour TV program, that has 3 minutes of content and 57 minutes of ads. Saying you are supporting "Free Speech " is hiding behind a BS curtain...no one is referring to legitimate opposing views, no matter how crude they may be. It is the nonsensical, non-related posts, the off topic crap that is in every thread.

And you are correct, it's about changing the channel, no news there, unfortunately I am not aware of these "overly-moderated internet forums that cover NOVA."

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Re: Truland Electric sends employees home
Posted by: Been There ()
Date: July 25, 2014 03:39PM

Problem #1 you never work for Clark Construction they get you into bids you cannot
even begin to honor and then they do not pay on a regular basis. They are so busy protecting themselves you sometimes wait 75 to 120 days for a single check and then its always short.

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Re: Truland Electric sends employees home
Posted by: Sherry Krouse ()
Date: July 25, 2014 03:39PM

Funny I have been a Union Member for over 30 years here in Richmond and was a happy employee for Truland here and to tell the truth, It was the best company I ever worked for. On a second note, There is no way One Million dollars would bring this company down. Try checking out that big data Center out in Utah. You might find the truth

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Re: Truland Electric sends employees home
Posted by: Sherry Krouse LU666 Card #D63109 ()
Date: July 25, 2014 03:49PM

I glad some stupid SOB built that class room for you to suck up ypour daddys money to get that degree. You ass hole

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Re: Truland Electric sends employees home
Posted by: Sonny Drysdale ()
Date: July 25, 2014 06:55PM

Sherry Krouse LU666 Card #D63109 Wrote:
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> I glad some stupid SOB built that class room for
> you to suck up ypour daddys money to get that
> degree. You ass hole


Why the venom?

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Re: Truland Electric sends employees home
Posted by: In Summary ()
Date: July 25, 2014 07:42PM

Unions = Failed Company.

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Re: Truland Electric sends employees home
Posted by: Are people trolling? ()
Date: July 25, 2014 07:53PM

I honestly can't tell if the people changing the subject to unions and political views are trolling at this point...

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Re: Truland Electric sends employees home
Posted by: Henro's Anal Lover ()
Date: July 25, 2014 09:36PM

Sherry Krouse LU666 Card #D63109 Wrote:
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> I glad some stupid SOB built that class room for
> you to suck up ypour daddys money to get that
> degree. You ass hole

Nope...wrong again, Sherry. I didn't use one cent of my parents money to get my education. I worked full-time throughout my educational years. Paid in full...now do you have anything else to say or are you just going to stand there and bleed?

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Re: Truland Electric sends employees home
Posted by: Henro's Anal Lover ()
Date: July 26, 2014 12:17AM

I never said I was smart...just successful and rich. Thanks, though...

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Re: Truland Electric sends employees home
Posted by: Why? ()
Date: July 26, 2014 03:59AM

Why are you replying to the poster like it's actually him...?

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Re: Truland Electric sends employees home
Posted by: Sonny Drysdale ()
Date: July 26, 2014 04:02AM

Don't stop posting about the situation. An old cliche applies here, "An empty barrel makes the most noise". Just because a few malcontents have to bray doesn't mean most of us aren't interested.

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Re: Reston-based Truland Systems suddenly closes its doors after more than a century in business
Posted by: Mark Hofner ()
Date: July 26, 2014 10:00AM

Rob Truland has millions upon millions. Just bought a brand new Lamborghini to celebrate shedding the elecrical contracting company started by his grandfather over 100 years ago. Unions killed the company - could not compete with non-union competitors.

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Re: Reston-based Truland Systems suddenly closes its doors after more than a century in business
Posted by: your management = fail ()
Date: July 26, 2014 10:16AM

Mark Hofner Wrote:
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> Rob Truland has millions upon millions. Just
> bought a brand new Lamborghini to celebrate
> shedding the elecrical contracting company started
> by his grandfather over 100 years ago. Unions
> killed the company - could not compete with
> non-union competitors.

You contradict yourself - indicating first that the owner wasted millions, and then attributing blame to the unions. This is nonsense in its finest form. You union basher(s) have no argument if you're going to rely on idiocy; you just continue to make management look stupid.

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Re: Reston-based Truland Systems suddenly closes its doors after more than a century in business
Posted by: Mark Hofner ()
Date: July 26, 2014 10:33AM

Rob Truland did not waste millions of his own money. His personal fortune is unaffected by the Truland Corporation situation. Nor did he waste the company's money. Profits were nonexistent and accordingly couldn't roll profits back into company to run a financially efficient operation. This is a labor intensive business and if labor controls profit then can't continue operating.

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Re: Truland Electric sends employees home
Posted by: s1monb3lmont ()
Date: July 26, 2014 12:05PM

Why then are there any successful union contractors? How was Truland successful and profitable the first 100 years in business? Several people- obvious insiders, have explained how the company went under. New information is being released on an almost daily basis, and it paints an increasingly puzzling and complicated picture. Truland was a signatory union contractor in the region for decades, they didn't go union last year. Read the previous posts.

I can guarantee you the people on here posting the incredibly elementary assessment "the union killed the company" are in no way involved in commercial/industrial electrical contracting, and have zero experience in dealing with any of the building trades unions in this region.

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Re: Truland Electric sends employees home
Posted by: Totally agree ()
Date: July 26, 2014 03:57PM

s1monb3lmont Wrote:
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> Why then are there any successful union
> contractors? How was Truland successful and
> profitable the first 100 years in business?
> Several people- obvious insiders, have explained
> how the company went under. New information is
> being released on an almost daily basis, and it
> paints an increasingly puzzling and complicated
> picture. Truland was a signatory union contractor
> in the region for decades, they didn't go union
> last year. Read the previous posts.
>
> I can guarantee you the people on here posting the
> incredibly elementary assessment "the union killed
> the company" are in no way involved in
> commercial/industrial electrical contracting, and
> have zero experience in dealing with any of the
> building trades unions in this region.

AMEN!

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Re: Truland Electric sends employees home
Posted by: Sonny Drysdale ()
Date: July 26, 2014 04:27PM

I belong to another union. it's weird how the unions in this country negotiated for our benefits but people act like it's the mafia when trying to protect the workers.

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Re: Reston-based Truland Systems suddenly closes its doors after more than a century in business
Posted by: daisy ()
Date: July 26, 2014 06:12PM

Rob Truland is an arrogant and possibly insane/demented/Alzheimer sufferer who is also a greedy bastard. He has never given a shit about the employees; only his cars and art collection.

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Re: Truland Electric sends employees home
Posted by: Union Jack ()
Date: July 26, 2014 06:45PM

Sonny Drysdale Wrote:
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> I belong to another union. it's weird how the
> unions in this country negotiated for our benefits
> but people act like it's the mafia when trying to
> protect the workers.

Um, because the unions were mafia. And if by negotiated you mean murdered, you're correct.

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Re: Truland Electric sends employees home
Posted by: Sonny Drysdale ()
Date: July 26, 2014 07:09PM

Unions were formed to protect the workers. How quickly we forget:




The Triangle Shirtwaist Company Fire, 1911
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A majority of the immigrants that landed on America's shores made their way to the tenement sections of the teeming cities of the Northeast. Often illiterate and with a limited knowledge of English, they found jobs wherever they could, often taking the lowest paying and most menial employment. The Triangle Shirtwaist Company located in New York City exemplified the working conditions these new immigrants often encountered.

The Triangle Shirtwaist Company occupied the top three floors of a ten-floor building in the heart of Manhattan's
Bodies of victims liiter the street
March 25, 1911
Garment District. The company employed over 500 women ranging in age from thirteen to twenty-three and mostly Jewish or Italian. The majority labored at sewing machines turning out clothing for which they were paid "by the piece." To encourage the seamstresses to stay at their machines and to inhibit stealing, company management routinely locked the exit doors. The hours were long (9-10 hours per day), the work monotonous, the pay low - in short, the Triangle Shirtwaist Company epitomized the "Sweatshop."

On Saturday March 25, 1911 disaster struck. As the women approached the end of their workday, a small fire started in the cutting room on the eighth floor. It was 4:30 in the afternoon. Within minutes, flames fueled by loose cloth lying in innumerable piles engulfed the area and spread to the floors above. Panic spread with the flames and smoke. The women madly dashed to the exits only to find them locked. They furiously pounded on the doors to no avail. The one fire escape at the rear of the building collapsed, killing many and cutting off that route of escape. Some attempted to slide down the elevator cables only to lose their grip and fall to their deaths. Others, their clothes afire, jumped in groups from the top of the building or from open windows on the lower floors.

Bessie Gabrilowich ran frantically first to the locked main door and then luckily found an open stairway near the freight elevator. Groping her way through the smoke to the street below, she looked up to see many of her co-workers leaping from the windows of the upper stories. Among them was a friend, Dora Wolfovitch, aged 15. Years later Bessie recalled: "Everybody was running to get out. And there was this beautiful little girl, my friend Dora, I remember her face before she jumped." Dora did not survive.

Firemen search for victims
Firefighters arrived quickly but found their way to the building hindered by bodies lying in the street. Their ladders reached only to the sixth floor and their safety nets broke as they tried to catch groups of women jumping from the flaming building.

In less than 30 minutes, the fire had spent itself. In its wake it left 147 dead - the worst factory fire in New York City's history. The tragedy, and the working conditions it revealed, inflamed public opinion leading to reform of working conditions for women and children. It also fueled the union movement adding impetus to the organization of the International Garment Workers' Union.

The owners of the Triangle Shirtwaist Company were tried for manslaughter but acquitted. Three years after the fire, a court ordered the owners to pay $75.00 to each of twenty-three families who had sued for the loss of family members.

References:
Stein, Leon, The Triangle Fire, (1962); The Los Angeles Times, obituary of Bessie Gabrilowich, (Feb. 1999)

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Re: Reston-based Truland Systems suddenly closes its doors after more than a century in business
Posted by: unions create bankruptcy ()
Date: July 26, 2014 07:19PM

In case you missed it - the union forced the chapter 7 - no chance for survival or reorganization

http://www.wjla.com/articles/2014/07/truland-electric-may-have-been-forced-into-bankruptcy-by-electricians-union-105400.html

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D.C. region's largest electrical contractor files for bankruptcy
Posted by: Here's what happened ()
Date: July 26, 2014 07:31PM

D.C. region's largest electrical contractor files for bankruptcy
http://www.wtop.com/149/3668719/DC-regions-largest-electrical-contractor-files-for-bankruptcy

Reston-based electrical contractor Truland Systems Corp., which had been reorganizing in hopes of selling itself to investors in the three months before its abrupt shutdown on Monday, filed for bankruptcy protection Wednesday.

Truland Systems and two of its affiliated companies, Truland Service Corp. and Truland Walker Seal Transportation Inc., filed for Chapter 11 in the U.S. Bankruptcy Court in Alexandria, ending days of speculation and setting the stage for a possible sale to other interested parties. In their filings, the company noted pending bankruptcy cases, including that of its parent company, The Truland Group Inc.

Truland Group is the D.C. region's largest electrical contractor with $371 million in 2012 revenue. Its decision to shut down its operations shocked many in Washington's commercial real estate industry, impacted more than 1,000 employees and dozens of active projects across the region.

According to the filings, Truland's board of directors met on July 22 and voted to take the companies into Chapter 11 and to appoint Tysons Corner law firm Leach Travell Britt PC to represent it in the proceedings. Its vote comes roughly three months after the company retained restructuring firm Protiviti to help reorganize with the intent to sell, as I reported Wednesday based on an interview with a company executive. Leach Travell Partner Stephen Leach, who is representing the companies, could not be immediately reached for comment.

It is telling that the company filed for Chapter 11, setting the stage for a court-regulated reorganization, rather than a Chapter 7 liquidation that would have set the stage for a sell-off and dismantling of its business. The Truland entities that filed for Chapter 11 have not yet filed supporting documents detailing the extent of their finances. In their initial filings, Truland Systems and Truland Walker Seal each listed between $10 million and $50 million in assets and between the same amount in liabilities. Truland Service listed between $1 million and $10 million in assets and between $10 million and $50 million in liabilities.

Wednesday's filing is the latest in a series of events since last Friday, when company officials, having missed making payroll, promised that employees would be paid on Monday. Then, on Sunday, a restructuring expert retained to help sort out the company's finances told top officials to tell their employees not to show up for work the next day because the company was going to be shutting down.

Since then, claims have started to mount against the company, including one by the fund manager for several funds representing Truland union workers that filed an involuntary bankruptcy petitions seeking the company's liquidation. Truland's Chapter 11 filing trumps those petitions.

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Re: Truland Electric sends employees home
Posted by: Tnnm3 ()
Date: July 26, 2014 10:17PM

known for hiring union educated whites that did the job right and expected to be payed with respect

truland was a top target for democrat sacks of shit to tamper with

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Re: Truland Electric sends employees home
Posted by: jimmy hoffa ()
Date: July 27, 2014 01:08AM

Unions had their time and place. Their sole purpose now is to line the pockets of corrupt union bosses and Dem politicians.

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Re: Truland Electric sends employees home
Posted by: The Ultimate Union Label ()
Date: July 27, 2014 01:36AM

Since then, claims have started to mount against the company, including one by the fund manager for several funds representing Truland union workers that filed an involuntary bankruptcy petitions seeking the company's liquidation. Truland's Chapter 11 filing trumps those petitions.

representing Truland union workers seeking the company's liquidation

Truland union seeking liquidation

union seeking liquidation

union liquidation

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Re: Truland Electric sends employees home
Posted by: NOVA-EC ()
Date: July 27, 2014 03:12AM

Forced into liquidation? So if you don't pay your credit card bill, I suppose that's the credit card company's fault too, right?

Obviously, the majority of people on here would rather hear themselves preach than understand what actually happened from the people affected.

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Re: Truland Electric sends employees home
Posted by: Sonny Drysdale ()
Date: July 27, 2014 03:56AM

NOVA-EC Wrote:
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> Forced into liquidation? So if you don't pay your
> credit card bill, I suppose that's the credit card
> company's fault too, right?
>
> Obviously, the majority of people on here would
> rather hear themselves preach than understand what
> actually happened from the people affected.


Forget the trolls. Please keep us updated.

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