No real notice, WTF?

http://www.wjla.com/articles/2014/07/reston-based-truland-systems-suddenly-closes-its-doors-after-more-than-a-century-in-business-105286.html



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/21/2014 08:34PM by Bean brain.

I know someone who works there. Did they go belly up?

X37YM Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I know someone who works there. Did they go belly
> up?


If you know someone who works there then ask him or her what happened.

Never heard of them, so blame the shitty marketing person or whomever gave him/her their budget.

With hundreds of employees, Truland can't just "no comment" the situation. Truland employees will start posting what has been going on.

X37YM Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I know someone who works there. Did they go belly
> up?

Liquidation, You friend just got fucked in the ass ball deep first stroke.

What? No two weeks notice like the employees are supposed to give?

Great company Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> What? No two weeks notice like the employees are
> supposed to give?


I was thinking the same deal, I guess that really fucked a few people up. That's gotta suck.

Sharing and Savings plan.
Here's a few dollars, maybe.

http://www.brightscope.com/form-5500/basic-info/932885/Truland-Systems-Corporation/1199480/Truland-Systems-Corporation-Profit-Sharing-And-Savings-Plan/2011/

Is that Radio Shack? Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Never heard of them, so blame the shitty marketing
> person or whomever gave him/her their budget.

They've only been in business for over a century. Maybe you should come up the basement stairs once in awhile.

The engineers should all be able to get better jobs with the military beltway bandits. Those contractors make the big bucks.

They still design and make stuff, don't they, or is it all just paper projects to secure more funding and provide work for military General's distant cousins?

Reston-based Truland Systems suddenly closes its doors after more than a century in business
http://www.wjla.com/articles/2014/07/reston-based-truland-systems-suddenly-closes-its-doors-after-more-than-a-century-in-business-105286.html#ixzz38BxFpFIr

RESTON, Va. (WJLA) –Truland Systems, a Reston-based institution that describes itself as the tenth-largest electrical contractor in the country, has abruptly closed down, leaving hundreds of employees without jobs.

Outside the Reston headquarters of a major player in the world of electrical contracting—Truland Systems is involved in projects on five continents—ABC 7 News found its employees heading out for good.

Some workers said they received an email Sunday night, the content of which left them shaken and confused. Many were told not to bother showing up to work on Monday.

“We’re liquidating,” said former Truland Systems employee Bob Blair. “Most of us were told our last day was last Friday. So, I’m done.”

While a car remained in the Truland Systems CEO’s parking space for much of the day Monday, the exodus from the company headquarters continued.

“A lot of people got affected,” said Truland Systems Consultant Abhi Matthew. “It’s really sad, it’s really sad.”

Truland Systems has a storied history in the region, dating back to 1909—the very dawn of the electrical era. Nationals Park and the glimmering Arena Stage are among its high-profile customers.

Prior to its sudden closure, Truland Systems provided a livelihood for scores of technical and support personnel.

ABC 7 News reached out to management at Truland Systems headquarters and was repeatedly told, “No comment.” The company operates a number of offices throughout the region. ABC 7 News received no response from these other offices, including one in Richmond.

Go here to watch the news story
http://www.wjla.com/articles/2014/07/reston-based-truland-systems-suddenly-closes-its-doors-after-more-than-a-century-in-business-105286.html#ixzz38BxFpFIr
Attachments:

My husband work(ed) there. No warning......just told that Truland was done and there was no more Truland. After all of those years of working there and that's how it ended!

Well, my husband as well worked there until 8am yesterday. No warning, just leave your cell phone and laptops as of 8am Truland is no longer in business. No severance, no vacation cash out, nothing. Extremely sad

This has been going on for 3+ months. Truland had stopped paying their bills and finally stopped paying the employees. This is no blind side. If you were in the office then you knew what was going on. Us people in the field knew it was coming. When we go to the supply house and the supply house said the account is frozen for non payment, then here is your sign. We talked to Jeff Russel Vp in Alexandria and he knew exactly that was going down, then tried to speak with Hal Brasauskas CFO and he didn't return calls. Here is your sign.

If they want my cell phone and laptop, they can come and get them.

Noclue Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> My husband work(ed) there. No warning......just
> told that Truland was done and there was no more
> Truland. After all of those years of working
> there and that's how it ended!

Then your husband must be an idiot for not knowing this was coming. The writing was on the wall for months on end. A good percentage of the ex-employees there got jobs at other electrical and general contracting places already. I guess your husband was clueless with his surrounding and deserved what was coming for him.

Are they the ones who worked on the silver line for metro?

Was there foul play involved?

if you think that truland's goal was to close abruptly, you are absurd. If you think that truland wanted to go out of business after 100 years, you are absurd. if you think that every avenue to keep the operations open had not been explored, you are absurd. any business that becomes non viable is incredibly unfortunate. no one wants to see hard working people loose jobs.

Hows your union treating you now? Fucking unions are comunist cocksuckers.

Typical greedy corporations not caring about there employees.They don't give a shit about you.Just remember that when you get your next job. Now you know what your dealing with.

Joe sylvester Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Typical greedy corporations not caring about there
> employees.They don't give a shit about you.Just
> remember that when you get your next job. Now you
> know what your dealing with.


Exactly! This is why all industry should be owned by and run by the government.

This is exactly why you need unions dumb fuck. Those guys will be ok you on the other hand you will always be a bum

Why would you want to hit someone when there Down? Don't be a hater

Glad I will never, ever have to worry about something like this happening!


It's 11 am, probably time I start heading to the office.

People on here are such dimwits. There are NO UNIONS in Virginia. It's a "right to work" state. Unionism had zero to do with whatever caused this company to fail. And I certainly would not fault an employee for being blindsided. The best employees probably were blindsided because they were busy doing their jobs. This is really sad.

How's that Hope and Change working for ya? I'm laughing now - I'm winning the War on America! Suckers!!

http://blogs.wsj.com/cio/2014/07/17/what-cios-want-from-the-microsoft-drama-better-software-lower-costs/


Microsoft’s recent moves, including its acquisition of Nokia’s handset business, underscores its weakness in the critical area of mobility. Harvey Batra, director of IT at The Truland Group Inc., says the electrical contractor relies on Microsoft for 80% of its server infrastructure software, but runs its mobile Microsoft apps on iPads, iPhones and Android phones. Its vulnerability in mobility has served almost as an invitation for rivals to enter Microsoft’s core business market. On Wednesday, Apple Inc. and IBM Corp.IBM +1.13% announced they would develop, sell and support more business applications for Apple devices. “Where is the Windows mobile [strategy] heading?” Mr. Batra asked."

Joe Sylvester Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> This is exactly why you need unions dumb fuck.
> Those guys will be ok you on the other hand you
> will always be a bum


Unions can magically stop businesses from going under??? Who knew?!?

People on here are such dimwits. There are NO UNIONS in Virginia. It's a "right to work" state. Unionism had zero to do with whatever caused this company to fail. And I certainly would not fault an employee for being blindsided. The best employees probably were blindsided because they were busy doing their jobs. This is really sad.

Truland was union all the electricians were union. They commanded top dollar for their services. Just like GM the cost of providing the wages and benefits for all the complacent union workers got to be more than they could charge for the work they performed. Or to put it another way they could no longer compete with non-union outfits. In order for the owners/ probably the Chinese, to turn a profit the compnay had to close its doors to get rid of the union. They will come back as trunk slam electric and hire mexicans who will be happy to work for nothing. So I ask again whats your union doing for you now? Fucking unions are comunist. Oh and all the union employees have a "right to work" but they are going to have to compete with the mexicans now. I'm sure they will find work. They have skills. Maybe China?

Fuck You

Great company Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> What? No two weeks notice like the employees are
> supposed to give?

2 weeks notice is a courtesy. You neither owe it nor should you expect it. Employment contracts and some large layoffs follow different rules. If this firm could not make payroll, they are obligated to let people go immediately before having them work without getting paid.

story isn't out Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> People on here are such dimwits. There are NO
> UNIONS in Virginia. It's a "right to work" state.
> Unionism had zero to do with whatever caused this
> company to fail. And I certainly would not fault
> an employee for being blindsided. The best
> employees probably were blindsided because they
> were busy doing their jobs. This is really sad.

Right to work and no unions are not the same thing. Right to work means you cannot be compelled to join a union as a condition of employment. It does not mean there are no unions. The silver line phase 2 has a project labor agreement requiring some union labor, so it ain't as right to work as you think.

^I think the problem was a teeny bit more than this. If this were about union wages, they would have seen it coming for miles. Wouldn't the company try bargaining before they got to this point (they do bargain you know)?

Also, this looked like a company that designed more than a company that actually did the hands on electrician work. Wouldn't they be hiring out the electrician end of it anyway?

Here's why they went under:

http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/10/meltdowns-at-nsa-spy-data-center-destroy-equipment-delay-opening/

Maybe they underbid on the silver line project? That would not be the union's fault.

There's nothing about it on their webpage...

http://www.truland.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&id=43&Itemid=99

No Press Release? Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> There's nothing about it on their webpage...
>
> http://www.truland.com/index.php?option=com_conten
> t&view=category&id=43&Itemid=99


Kind of hard to put out a press release when you fire the PR department!

d'hur Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> No Press Release? Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > There's nothing about it on their webpage...
> >
> >
> http://www.truland.com/index.php?option=com_conten
>
> > t&view=category&id=43&Itemid=99
>
>
> Kind of hard to put out a press release when you
> fire the PR department!

But they're paying to keep the website up? Makes no sense!

Our Creator, the Job Creator givith and takeith away. Companies owe employees precisely nothing. Next time you worry about being loyal to your employer - dont. Its not personal its business.

This development shouldn't be a surprise to any employees. Maybe the suddenness of it, but not the ultimate outcome. Bill Truland is 74 years old. He didn't want to deal with it anymore. His father built the company and made it what it was and Bill spent every dime. Im certain he is walking away with a pile of cash.

I bet you don't get $20 an hour in benefits do you scab.

This doesn't happen with lazy union employees . . .

http://www.techincorp.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=374:truland-named-one-of-50-fastest-growing-companies&catid=43:releases&Itemid=99


This is a story that needs to be told.

Right to work has nothing to do with the existence of a union. There are many unions in the state of VA. I work for a company than's unionized. In a right to work state you cannot require union membership, etc. as a condition of employment.

A "right-to-work" law is a statute in the United States that prohibits union security agreements, or agreements between labor unions and employers, that govern the extent to which an established union can require employees' membership, payment of union dues, or fees as a condition of employment, either before or after hiring. Right-to-work laws do not aim to provide general guarantee of employment to people seeking work, but rather are a government regulation of the contractual agreements between employers and labor unions that prevents them from excluding non-union workers,[1] or requiring employees to pay a fee to unions that have negotiated the labor contract all the employees work under.

I wonder about Truland's responsibility under the WARN Act. They can be in for a lot of lawsuits.

The Worker Adjustment and Retraining Notification Act (WARN Act) is a United States labor law which protects employees, their families, and communities by requiring most employers with 100 or more employees to provide 60 calendar-day advance notification of plant closings and mass layoffs of employees, as defined in the Act. In 2001, there were about 2,000 mass layoffs and plant closures which were subject to WARN advance notice requirements and which affected about 660,000 employees

An employer who violates the WARN provisions is liable to each employee for an amount equal to back pay and benefits for the period of the violation, up to 60 days. The liability may be reduced by the period of any notice that was given and any voluntary payments that the employer made to the employee, sometimes referred to as "pay in lieu of notice."
U.S. district courts enforce WARN requirements. Workers, representatives of employees, and units of local government may bring individual or class action suits. The Court may allow reasonable attorney's fees as part of any final judgment.

This development shouldn't be a surprise to any employees. Maybe the suddenness of it, but not the ultimate outcome. Bill Truland is 74 years old. He didn't want to deal with it anymore. His father built the company and made it what it was and Bill spent every dime. Im certain he is walking away with a pile of cash.




hmmmm . . .

http://www.techincorp.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=465:truland-group-integrates-operations-within-single-entity&catid=43:releases&Itemid=99

Unionbuster,

Are you from America? You seem to glamorize the onslaught of cheap labor imposed against the American worker. Maybe you could lower your standard of living to match the competition in China or Mexico. Thank a union member for your 40 hour week or weekend or safe work place or healthcare benefits or retirement.... Dumbass

Trinigurl Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> >
> An employer who violates the WARN provisions is
> liable to each employee for an amount equal to
> back pay and benefits for the period of the
> violation, up to 60 days. The liability may be
> reduced by the period of any notice that was given
> and any voluntary payments that the employer made
> to the employee, sometimes referred to as "pay in
> lieu of notice."
> U.S. district courts enforce WARN requirements.
> Workers, representatives of employees, and units
> of local government may bring individual or class
> action suits. The Court may allow reasonable
> attorney's fees as part of any final judgment.

This may be like getting blood out of turnip. My sources tell me there is no money left. They had been operating on a cash only basis for months with suppliers. I'm willing to bet Bill Truland sheltered his portion of the money in an untouchable account of some sort.

his name is Rob Truland - not Bill. People who can't even get the name right should not weigh in on this forum.

CH3NO2 Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Trinigurl Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > >
> > An employer who violates the WARN provisions is
> > liable to each employee for an amount equal to
> > back pay and benefits for the period of the
> > violation, up to 60 days. The liability may be
> > reduced by the period of any notice that was
> given
> > and any voluntary payments that the employer
> made
> > to the employee, sometimes referred to as "pay
> in
> > lieu of notice."
> > U.S. district courts enforce WARN requirements.
> > Workers, representatives of employees, and
> units
> > of local government may bring individual or
> class
> > action suits. The Court may allow reasonable
> > attorney's fees as part of any final judgment.
>
> This may be like getting blood out of turnip. My
> sources tell me there is no money left. They had
> been operating on a cash only basis for months
> with suppliers. I'm willing to bet Bill Truland
> sheltered his portion of the money in an
> untouchable account of some sort.

You'd likely lose that bet since, first, personal and corporate assets are not combined and, second, an owner is the last one in the chain to receive any profit, only gets paid after employees, creditors, financiers, and everyone else, and only to the extent that there are profits.

get it rignt Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> his name is Rob Truland - not Bill. People who
> can't even get the name right should not weigh in
> on this forum.

Rob, Bill, Oscar, whatever. The situation doesn't change because I got the name wrong.

cvdek Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> >
> You'd likely lose that bet since, first, personal
> and corporate assets are not combined and, second,
> an owner is the last one in the chain to receive
> any profit, only gets paid after employees,
> creditors, financiers, and everyone else, and only
> to the extent that there are profits.

That would be correct. Provided you aren't dealing with a crook. You don't think these guys stash money away when they have known for quite some time they were going to close the doors?

CH3NO2 Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> cvdek Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > >
> > You'd likely lose that bet since, first,
> personal
> > and corporate assets are not combined and,
> second,
> > an owner is the last one in the chain to
> receive
> > any profit, only gets paid after employees,
> > creditors, financiers, and everyone else, and
> only
> > to the extent that there are profits.
>
> That would be correct. Provided you aren't dealing
> with a crook. You don't think these guys stash
> money away when they have known for quite some
> time they were going to close the doors?


Derp. Which would be easily discoverable. No, as typical in such cases, I doubt that they were in a position to pull any money out because there likely was little to no money to pull out beyond expenses. Your assumption that someone is a crook simply and solely because the business went under is idiotic.

The guy was 74 years old and had been taking a salary for years. I'm sure he's not poor. He didn't have to do a last minute pull out of money. Chances are he is not a crook---he's just a guy who made a lot of mistakes (or even just some plain old bad luck on top of a few mistakes). One mistake was probably letting the previous head guy retire in 2010 and then taking it over himself.

VC = Vulture Culture baby, sucks that corporations are people with feelings, voting rights, free speech, and religious opinions now, but such is the world of the Roberts and Scalia Court. They do what they want, the employees and people don't matter any more.

Mitt

Mitt

Mitt Romney Style

Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeey sexy ladies!

Mitt

Mitt

Mitt Romney style!

Isn't it ironic that the unions got Obama elected, and he has thanked them by killing millions of union jobs? HAHAHAHAHA! Suckers! Unions are just one of the corrupt, money-skimming thug arms of the DNC.

It's well established that any organization saddled with a union will eventually fail.

Real question here - can anyone identify a successful business that is run by a union?

Real question here - can anyone identify a successful business that is run by a union.

Better question - Can anyone identify a business that is run by a Union?

Re: Reston-based Truland Systems suddenly closes its doors after more than a century in business

Posted by: American Labor ()

Date: July 22, 2014 01:40PM


Unionbuster,

Are you from America? You seem to glamorize the onslaught of cheap labor imposed against the American worker. Maybe you could lower your standard of living to match the competition in China or Mexico. Thank a union member for your 40 hour week or weekend or safe work place or healthcare benefits or retirement.... Dumbass

Yes American and I've seen what the unions have done to this Country. They have chased every manufacturing job out of our home land and sent them to china and elsewhere off shore. Thank your union for that. There was a time when unionized labor was a necessary part of the work place. When the bosses took advantage of every aspect of the labor employer relationship. This kept the owners in check in what they could and couldn't do to the worker. Then the worker got greedy as did the unions and they made rediculous demands to the point that it became cheaper for manufacturing to take place outside of the US. Thats what your precious union did for the blue collar lunch bucket joe. You can blame the employers all you want but you snactimonius union fucktards are the reason there is no longer any manufacturing in this country.

I see union labor everyday in my work place and the mexicans out work out produce and out bid you stupid lazy fuck holes at every turn and they are HAPPY to do so. So if you want to compete with the new era then the unions are going to have to make concessions and the first step is to get rid of the unions. But I'm sure you are too self rightous to ever begin to realize what I say is true. You lazy fucking retard, fuck you and your piece of shit union.

UNIONS ARE ANTI AMERICAN.

American Labor Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Real question here - can anyone identify a
> successful business that is run by a union.
>
> Better question - Can anyone identify a business
> that is run by a Union?


I give up. Tell me.

I don't think unions are in the business of owning companies, but there are employee owned companies:

http://www.nceo.org/articles/employee-ownership-100

You are blaming the unions for the demise of this? No you idiots, its the VC people coming in, stripping pensions (thanks to bush's law that allowed this to happen in 2005) and then selling off the bits for the parts. VC is chop shops at a corporate level, and they dont have to play by the same pension and benefits rules. The company was fine and making a profit, but it was worth a lot more for its parts so the VC bougth and chopped.

idiots are idiots Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> You are blaming the unions for the demise of this?
> No you idiots, its the VC people coming in,
> stripping pensions (thanks to bush's law that
> allowed this to happen in 2005) and then selling
> off the bits for the parts. VC is chop shops at a
> corporate level, and they dont have to play by the
> same pension and benefits rules. The company was
> fine and making a profit, but it was worth a lot
> more for its parts so the VC bougth and chopped.


What VC was involved at Truland?

There was VC at Truland but not at the point of its closing. The company was very successful for many years. In the early 2000's, Truland made some very smart business decisions. At a time when companies were folding, Truland saw the opportunity to diversify their markets, buy several companies, expand their breadth across the country and around the world. Large (percentage-based) incentives were offered to office and field staff for safety and profitability. It was the time for "wolves" to make large amounts of money, but wolves will get out of hand unless they are kept at bay. In 2010, when the president of the company left, there was nobody in place to keep the wolves at bay. The owner did not hire a replacement, and assumed the title, but not the role. Combine that with the struggles of an extremely competitive market sector to which several of the Truland companies were subject ($1M - $10M projects), the decision was made that several of the smaller companies couldn't be profitable on their own, and these operations were consolidated. Now, these smaller operations had the overhead of the Goliath Truland Systems, trying to compete in this competitive market; not to mention many of the employees uprooted by this consolidation were former employees of the large company, Truland Systems, and were quite resentful of being told they now work for their former employer. Around this time, there were several incidents of mass exodus - a couple rounds of layoffs, followed by quite a few resignations resulting from the consolidation, the "wolves", and the general uncertainty. Through all of this, Truland never replaced the president, and the CEO was not in touch with the mid-level management or field staff. At this point, the company really started to decompose. A couple of the "wolves" were terminated, but this was too late. The effects of the uncertainty had trickled down to the mid-level management all the way down to the helpers in the field. Between the time spent on rumors and the lack of employee motivation, the production really staggered; and I can only imagine quite a bit of employee theft. Not to mention, the aforementioned bonuses were no longer honored. To address and mask these problems, it is quite apparent that Truland spent a lot of effort on PR, both internally to stop the rumors, and externally, to keep all the issues off social media.
By this point, the owner really wanted out of the company, but was unable to sell it for a decent price. Finally, an offer was made that was acceptable, but within days of the sale, Truland was made aware that the new owner would file for bankruptcy (prob. Chapter 11), and Truland backed out (prob due to pride in longevity). Now, less than 3 months later, Truland was forced into a position of what appears to be Chapter 7.
It really is sad to see what came of Truland. There was a time not that long ago, people worked their entire careers there (50+ years). It had nothing to do with the Union, nor did it have anything to do with the greed of the owner. Just a really bad, really long series of bad decisions. The story of Truland over the last 10 years is really worth understanding - there is bound to be several lessons worth learning about business and construction management.

Do you need me to sign another Executive Order requiring them to reopen?

NOVA-EC Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> There was VC at Truland but not at the point of
> its closing...

I see nothing reporting VC investment at Truland. Consolidating multiple subsidiary companies under a single entity is not VC and does not necessarily imply some poor business practice or ulterior motive. If they rejected the Chap 11 sale, then that would seem to suggest that they were trying to keep the company together and operating. Otherwise, who cares. They could just take the money and run.

lost Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Well, my husband as well worked there until 8am
> yesterday. No warning, just leave your cell phone
> and laptops as of 8am Truland is no longer in
> business. No severance, no vacation cash out,
> nothing. Extremely sad


So much for worrying about being late, or late when traffic is fucked up and staying late, or when to take vacation or call in sick.
I once got fucked 450 sick hours because of something similar to this, Fuck being loyal.

Again, as stated, VC had nothing to do with Truland's demise. Possibly with their success in the past, but I wouldn't say that with any confidence. All investors that were ever supposedly involved in the last couple decades were close to the company... But the "board" and any investors were only rumors at Truland. I don't know if anyone even know who was on the what certain execs referred to as the "board".

And, no, consolidation does not imply a bad decision, but based on the experience living through the effects, it turned out to be a terrible decision, and some of the consolidation efforts were quickly reversed.

@NOVA-EC:

Your explanation makes sense. I read their press releases and it looks like they did lose people and hire newbies. There had to be management problems.

Excuse me, I'm just a libtard speaking out of my ass.

My take:

1. Truland fucked up huge NSA datacenter job. You do not fuck with the Government or they will fuck you.

2. Settled with government but pending still pending payment. Good luck getting the government to get this to you in a timely manner.

3. Fired upper management (VP/Sr VP) thieves from company; specifically Boydton Microsoft project.

4. Thief at Microsoft project prevented future phases in Boydton Microsoft Datacenter.

5. Other upper management (VP/SR VP) left company for competitors (Rosendin).

6. Other VP/SR VP that were fired form their own company (Power Services).

7. Major poaching from other competitors (see Rosendin, Power Designs, Helix, Dyna, Mona, etc.) including other Sr VP, CEO, and other seasoned veterans.

8. Truland unable to bond large projects. (See Wharf project with Clark. This was given to Helix).

9. Truland unable to bond any projects. Rob Truland refuse to put any more of his own money into the company. Many people quit and join competitors.

10. 2014 no large project awarded in core group (Truland Systems Corp).

11. Truland unable to sell company to Venture Capitalist (who decided they would sink the company and file for bankrupcy, etc.). It was a last second back-handed deal. Rob refused to sell company on principle.

12. Consultant brought on to restructure company/collect money from finished project/change orders.

13. Truland unable to sell company again to prospective buyer (Reynolds Electric?).

14. Only couple companies at Truland are valuable (Systems is not one of them). Specifically their Transportation division was making money still.

15. (7/14/2014) Truland decides to sell 10 million dollar worth of excess materials they have at their warehouse. Sign of the liquidation?

16. Truland tells employee of payroll issues (7/14/2014) during team meeting.

17. Truland is late on payroll that same week, most receiving their money on weekend, with some non-union employee receiving pay the following week.

18. Rob Truland meet up with many senior upper management to discuss future of company.

19. Friday (7/25/2014) Rob Truland sends out e-mail to employee, thanking them for their hard work, and their commitment to stay at the company despite all the hardship the company was going through. Apparently a charade or just bull-shit.

20. Sunday (7/20/2014) Field Electricians told not go to construction site.

21. Monday (7/21/2014) Truland Group shuts down with very little notice. No lay off. No severance package. No vacation cash out.

22. No closure?

Also forgot to add-

Truland not paying their vendors & suppliers.
Truland not paying other bills (ie, Xerox repair/service).
Truland has $60k/month lease at their Reston office. Imagine how much it cost to keep the other companies, warehouse, etc. operational.
Truland possibly unable to pay Union dues.

Of the vendors they were paying, they were paying with credit cards, or buying material through Amazon.

U R DA MAN
FK TRULAND
FK ROB
FKKKKKKK

Well, for me, this thread is about as exciting as the World Cup.

Move along, move along, nothing to see here, move along.

^ I believe that sums it up.

@noname84

Spoken like someone that was there till the end. I would agree with most if not all of your post, but the story goes back further than that; the downhill slope started around 2010. I left Truland prior to all the issues you identify, but you pretty much hit the nail on the head. I just hope GC's are reading the PSI bit. Some major GC's have learned the lesson, but not all.

Everything in moderation - especially change and growth!

So Truland was infected with a cancerous union? Having union labor is to a business as pancreatic cancer is to a person - ultimately untreatable and fatal. Sad. Very sad.

Why does everyone want to turn this into a union discussion. I am always game to have the union discussion (especially public unions) - in the appropriate arena. This is not one of them. Quite the opposite - it was the non-union employees that brought this company to its knees.

NOVA-EC Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Why does everyone want to turn this into a union
> discussion. I am always game to have the union
> discussion (especially public unions) - in the
> appropriate arena. This is not one of them. Quite
> the opposite - it was the non-union employees that
> brought this company to its knees.


Bottom line..A lot of people are out of work. 100 year old company cooked. Fuck it, maybe it will put a very small dent in traffic.

Thank ObamaNoCare.

Only surprise was it took this long. I left of my own decesion in 2003 after being caught up in exec management decesion someone had to go due to below 20% profits. I did not want to be associated with such an unethical organization, Guy who was catalyst for false accusations toward me got his less walking papers than 6 months later. Seems Truland attracted POS from the VP level and up.

Past escapee Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Only surprise was it took this long. I left of my
> own decesion in 2003 after being caught up in exec
> management decesion someone had to go due to below
> 20% profits. I did not want to be associated with
> such an unethical organization, Guy who was
> catalyst for false accusations toward me got his
> less walking papers than 6 months later. Seems
> Truland attracted POS from the VP level and up.


One less Pretentious BMW driving, McMansion owner gone...Nice start.

NOVA-EC Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Again, as stated, VC had nothing to do with
> Truland's demise. Possibly with their success in
> the past, but I wouldn't say that with any
> confidence. All investors that were ever
> supposedly involved in the last couple decades
> were close to the company... But the "board" and
> any investors were only rumors at Truland. I don't
> know if anyone even know who was on the what
> certain execs referred to as the "board".
>
> And, no, consolidation does not imply a bad
> decision, but based on the experience living
> through the effects, it turned out to be a
> terrible decision, and some of the consolidation
> efforts were quickly reversed.

One major issue they had of late was the bonding company would not longer roll the debt because the coffers were going dry. No money for new (big buck) projects, just little shit.

Huey long Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
>>
> One less Pretentious BMW driving, McMansion owner
> gone...Nice start.

Rob Truland just bought a brand new black Tesla a few months ago.

CH3NO2 Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Huey long Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >>
> > One less Pretentious BMW driving, McMansion
> owner
> > gone...Nice start.
>
> Rob Truland just bought a brand new black Tesla a
> few months ago.


Looks like he enjoy's spending money on shit.

I loved your references to 'here's your sign.' Everything you said is right on. Everyone has known it was coming for months, if not longer. They put their trust in all the wrong people.

CJ. Former Truland employee Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I loved your references to 'here's your sign.'
> Everything you said is right on. Everyone has
> known it was coming for months, if not longer.
> They put their trust in all the wrong people.


I still feel bad for the loyal workers. That shit has to suck, but you're correct. You can see that coming.

The cost of Obamacare was too much to keep operating.

UPS
Ford Motor Company
Verizon
Boeing
Norfolk Southern

-----------------------------------------

Re: Truland Electric sends employees home
Posted by: Union Question ()
Date: July 22, 2014 02:30PM

Real question here - can anyone identify a successful business that is run by a union?

A union would have been great if I was born 65 years ago.

ggggg Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> UPS
> Ford Motor Company
> Verizon
> Boeing
> Norfolk Southern
>
> -----------------------------------------
>
> Re: Truland Electric sends employees home
> Posted by: Union Question ()
> Date: July 22, 2014 02:30PM
>
> Real question here - can anyone identify a
> successful business that is run by a union?

Those businesses are not union run, just union overrun.

This is just one of many problems they had. Most people on here have no idea what was happening at this company. I love reading the posts from people that think they have it all figured out but in reality don't have a clue. Turland was a great company but made was unfortunate moves over the past few years that finally caught up with them. It's unfortuate for Truland, the people, and the local market that this happened and wish the past employees the best of luck.

I haven't heard anyone bitch about anything union related. All I know is that the remaining employees are not expecting to get paid, but are working to try to make this easier on the former employees they worked with for years. Everyone seems to hate Rob. His recent spending is a heated topic lately. Several Lamborginis, his tesla, and many other cars are almost seen as an insult to many. He should stop hiding from the news van and make a statement already. He owes it to the thousand employees now looking for new jobs.

The good news is there will be a lot soon to be ex-wifes of Truland Systems employees that will be DTF (that's down to fuck for you old people) soon! Gotta pay them bills! ;)

Dirk Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> The good news is there will be a lot soon to be
> ex-wifes of Truland Systems employees that will be
> DTF (that's down to fuck for you old people) soon!
> Gotta pay them bills! ;)



Hells yeah. I'll be rollin' out to Jackson's @ RTC on my Harley every Thursday night for months.

CH3NO2 Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Trinigurl Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > >
> > An employer who violates the WARN provisions is
> > liable to each employee for an amount equal to
> > back pay and benefits for the period of the
> > violation, up to 60 days. The liability may be
> > reduced by the period of any notice that was
> given
> > and any voluntary payments that the employer
> made
> > to the employee, sometimes referred to as "pay
> in
> > lieu of notice."
> > U.S. district courts enforce WARN requirements.
> > Workers, representatives of employees, and
> units
> > of local government may bring individual or
> class
> > action suits. The Court may allow reasonable
> > attorney's fees as part of any final judgment.
>
> This may be like getting blood out of turnip. My
> sources tell me there is no money left. They had
> been operating on a cash only basis for months
> with suppliers. I'm willing to bet Bill Truland
> sheltered his portion of the money in an
> untouchable account of some sort.


Wow - how unfortunate for the employees. I work in HR and executives are always wondering why employee loyalty is non existent. This is a great example why.

Bill has been buying millions in foreign real estate over the past 2 years.

To tell you the truth. I worked till the end. And I got screwed by this shotty company. The people were awesome, that includes the people in home office at reston, the people in the shop, the laborers (Mexicans and el Salvadorian) which were also union. you stupid piece of shit. I had faith in a company that helped me learn a skill and help me keep my head above water in trying times. My fellow field workers stayed until the end also. Ya know, I haven't heard anyone touch on this matter but it needs to be told. My benefits run out in august. They stopped paying benefits in march. every month the mail and rumors that I believe were put out by higher ups trickling down to us; explained that they were paid up. these were lies. they were actually pulling from accumulated health care benefit hours. Upon finding this out, I went on that Monday 7/21/14 to quit. But instead I was told to pack my bags. you see I am a good man, and I am loyal to a principle of being paid what I am worth. and I will tell you when I dug ditches to run ground wire I was not a lazy worker. no one at my job was lazy. if obesity is an epidemic, ive surely never seen it at a job site. your insulting the people that put up your fucking office that you work out of. we also performed telecom work so that network that you use at your job was installed by a highly trained professional. paper pushers we are not, but maybe pipe carriers or heavy lifters or willing to die for our job, because we love what we do. we were chosen over others because we had a reputation to get the job done right. Where was m.c. dean? not union, correct?
we put up energy efficient l.e.ds in Arlington and Montgomery county, worked on the national harbor for the Gaylord hotel, blood sweat and tears. we worked countless overtime hours and didn't see our families. But we were committed. You kick us when we are down. we are the back bones of America. and we are strong. Its called international brother hood of electrical workers. see the first part of that international. we get the job done and go on to the next one. It was the ibew that gave me a job off the street and trained me. they payed a salary to where I could live 11.83 to be an r1. no job would have hired me before and if they did like starbucks I got 8.50 an hour the most I ever got paid was 10 dollars an hour till I was put on the books. They watch out for americans who don't have rich mommy and daddys. who don't have a trust fund. but we want what you have and if we have to come take it then so be it. we are brothers and we sisters, everyone will always have their opinions and reservations. but ill be damned if you talk about my family like that. rob truland was an asshole btw. if the company went in the shitter it wasn't because of us workers or some flimsy prick in the office making 50,000 a year to sit on his ass, shit in a real toilet that flushes, breathes central air, get 3 smoke breaks and a lunch and go to a break room for coffee refills.

And it wasn't the unions fault, they give out skilled workers to make sure the building doesn't burn down. it was rob's. The man owned a fucking rembrandt, I cant even imagine what he paid for it. he hung it in his office. he owns a non profit organizations which makes charitable donations to fine art galleries, SEEMS EXPENSIVE.he has a party every year at his mansion, and hires out us workers to be his help. do we get an invitation to this shmoosing benefit? no. just more work. he was an asshole. I once got pulled of the job to come to home office, to move furniture. there were plenty of what looked like men there who could have done it. but the slacks and skinny fat guts got in the way I guess. being an office slave must be great, lack of movement, eating wendys. sounds great. but the fact that he spent money, so I could do something that office people couldn't do, show me his management skills. I once helped a friend of his move her paintings for 16 hours. what an economical person. But that's rob for ya. spending other people money and time. what im trying to get at here. is that we are people too. I don't know what im going to be doing for the next week. wondering if ill be paid my money and overtime. or get my benefit money back. which by the way they pocketed. and BY non union company. I rest my case. And just wait till the Chinese, Indians and Philippinos come and take your job. ill be sitting there laughing my ass off. especially when you become union. do you think were worth less or something. that we don't deserve a reasonable pay. that we should just live paycheck to paycheck. if anything were still underpaid. most of us live in the country. I have to rent a room because im from NOVA. but most guys are from front royal, pennsyvania Richmond and they commute in every day to make sure they have food on the table for their wives. and their wives aren't some prissy bitch like yours who will leave you on the drop of a dime. these women stick by their men, because they do the impossible every day. I would love to see you open up a pringle switch and see if you know what your doing. because you know everything. And when that blast that's 10,000 times that of the surface of the sun melts the flesh of your face, youll wish someone who went to school for it, had taken care of it. I have a life because of the union. Go and tell an ex truland this shit, go to the hall and tell it to their face. they will fuck you up. must be easy to talk shit behind a computer. and to the guys on here in the know. thanks for the info/supports. hopefully it will help us in our suit against truland...and thanks for staying to the end.

Blankface Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> To tell you the truth. I worked till the end. And
> I got screwed by this shotty company. The people
> were awesome, that includes the people in home
> office at reston, the people in the shop, the
> laborers (Mexicans and el Salvadorian) which were
> also union. you stupid piece of shit. I had faith
> in a company that helped me learn a skill and help
> me keep my head above water in trying times. My
> fellow field workers stayed until the end also. Ya
> know, I haven't heard anyone touch on this matter
> but it needs to be told. My benefits run out in
> august. They stopped paying benefits in march.
> every month the mail and rumors that I believe
> were put out by higher ups trickling down to us;
> explained that they were paid up. these were lies.
> they were actually pulling from accumulated health
> care benefit hours. Upon finding this out, I went
> on that Monday 7/21/14 to quit. But instead I was
> told to pack my bags. you see I am a good man, and
> I am loyal to a principle of being paid what I am
> worth. and I will tell you when I dug ditches to
> run ground wire I was not a lazy worker. no one at
> my job was lazy. if obesity is an epidemic, ive
> surely never seen it at a job site. your insulting
> the people that put up your fucking office that
> you work out of. we also performed telecom work so
> that network that you use at your job was
> installed by a highly trained professional. paper
> pushers we are not, but maybe pipe carriers or
> heavy lifters or willing to die for our job,
> because we love what we do. we were chosen over
> others because we had a reputation to get the job
> done right. Where was m.c. dean? not union,
> correct?
> we put up energy efficient l.e.ds in Arlington and
> Montgomery county, worked on the national harbor
> for the Gaylord hotel, blood sweat and tears. we
> worked countless overtime hours and didn't see our
> families. But we were committed. You kick us when
> we are down. we are the back bones of America. and
> we are strong. Its called international brother
> hood of electrical workers. see the first part of
> that international. we get the job done and go on
> to the next one. It was the ibew that gave me a
> job off the street and trained me. they payed a
> salary to where I could live 11.83 to be an r1. no
> job would have hired me before and if they did
> like starbucks I got 8.50 an hour the most I ever
> got paid was 10 dollars an hour till I was put on
> the books. They watch out for americans who don't
> have rich mommy and daddys. who don't have a trust
> fund. but we want what you have and if we have to
> come take it then so be it. we are brothers and we
> sisters, everyone will always have their opinions
> and reservations. but ill be damned if you talk
> about my family like that. rob truland was an
> asshole btw. if the company went in the shitter it
> wasn't because of us workers or some flimsy prick
> in the office making 50,000 a year to sit on his
> ass, shit in a real toilet that flushes, breathes
> central air, get 3 smoke breaks and a lunch and go
> to a break room for coffee refills.
>
> And it wasn't the unions fault, they give out
> skilled workers to make sure the building doesn't
> burn down. it was rob's. The man owned a fucking
> rembrandt, I cant even imagine what he paid for
> it. he hung it in his office. he owns a non profit
> organizations which makes charitable donations to
> fine art galleries, SEEMS EXPENSIVE.he has a party
> every year at his mansion, and hires out us
> workers to be his help. do we get an invitation to
> this shmoosing benefit? no. just more work. he was
> an asshole. I once got pulled of the job to come
> to home office, to move furniture. there were
> plenty of what looked like men there who could
> have done it. but the slacks and skinny fat guts
> got in the way I guess. being an office slave must
> be great, lack of movement, eating wendys. sounds
> great. but the fact that he spent money, so I
> could do something that office people couldn't do,
> show me his management skills. I once helped a
> friend of his move her paintings for 16 hours.
> what an economical person. But that's rob for ya.
> spending other people money and time. what im
> trying to get at here. is that we are people too.
> I don't know what im going to be doing for the
> next week. wondering if ill be paid my money and
> overtime. or get my benefit money back. which by
> the way they pocketed. and BY non union company. I
> rest my case. And just wait till the Chinese,
> Indians and Philippinos come and take your job.
> ill be sitting there laughing my ass off.
> especially when you become union. do you think
> were worth less or something. that we don't
> deserve a reasonable pay. that we should just live
> paycheck to paycheck. if anything were still
> underpaid. most of us live in the country. I have
> to rent a room because im from NOVA. but most guys
> are from front royal, pennsyvania Richmond and
> they commute in every day to make sure they have
> food on the table for their wives. and their wives
> aren't some prissy bitch like yours who will leave
> you on the drop of a dime. these women stick by
> their men, because they do the impossible every
> day. I would love to see you open up a pringle
> switch and see if you know what your doing.
> because you know everything. And when that blast
> that's 10,000 times that of the surface of the sun
> melts the flesh of your face, youll wish someone
> who went to school for it, had taken care of it. I
> have a life because of the union. Go and tell an
> ex truland this shit, go to the hall and tell it
> to their face. they will fuck you up. must be easy
> to talk shit behind a computer. and to the guys on
> here in the know. thanks for the info/supports.
> hopefully it will help us in our suit against
> truland...and thanks for staying to the end.

I know all about your union, I saw the guys at my job from your same union take smoke breaks every hour on the hour (I know I timed them). Also saw them goof off and do what would amount to about 30% to 40% a day, costing our company money and running into cost overuns. I'm not saying that's you, but if that's how Truland operated it's no wonder it went into the toilet. While I see the need for unions in some places, for the most part these days, they kill corporations.