Curious how many parents are going to refuse to sign the SR&R this year or attach the Liberty Counsel alternate signature page? Also, any parents in disagreement about what FCPS board is doing but not sure about refusing to sign the SR&R?

I'm not sure about not signing SR&R. It's like the user agreements on phone apps, etc. if you don't sign you can't use. On the other hand, any agreement is breakable in court. It's just lawyer bull shit and doesn't mean anything. I think "play their useless game."

I have never signed those my kid's entire FCPS career and nothing ever happened.

It is time for some civil disobedience with respect to FCPS. They do what is best for them (e.g., moving up in politics) and don't give a crap about the kids. Refusing to sign these forms makes their lives a little harder and that's what's needed these days.

Screw them and their travel and conferences in Orlando.

newyear Wrote:
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> Curious how many parents are going to refuse to
> sign the SR&R this year or attach the Liberty
> Counsel alternate signature page? Also, any
> parents in disagreement about what FCPS board is
> doing but not sure about refusing to sign the
> SR&R?


What's in this year's SR&R that makes you want to refuse signing it?

And are there any repercussions if one does not sign it?

It's because of the school board adding "gender identity" to the policy in the handbook. If your student is put in an uncomfortable situation in locker room or rest room, are they subject to being disciplined because they don't want to change with a transgender student? Are they "allowed" to express their discomfort with the situation or is that going against the SR&R that we signed? The school board had no interest in answering that at the end of the year.

This explains it all, it's long.

http://www.concernedparentsandeducators.org/pip/PIP-8-25-16%20FINALv1.2.pdf

Supposedly there are no repercussions but at the middle and high school level they often want these forms before giving out lockers and schedules.

I would not sign it Wrote:
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> It is time for some civil disobedience with
> respect to FCPS. They do what is best for them
> (e.g., moving up in politics) and don't give a
> crap about the kids. Refusing to sign these forms
> makes their lives a little harder and that's
> what's needed these days.
>
> Screw them and their travel and conferences in
> Orlando.


Great idea
That will take up time and that will then, in the end, cost us taxpayers money.

I wouldn't worry about "repercussions" for not letting the schools indoctrinate your children with this crap. Just opt out and you and your kids can thank yourself in the long run.

Anything to oppose school board insanity, sign me up!

Talked with some school folks about this, and they said it's not required to get lockers and schedule. Will be attaching the legal memo to it, and putting "see other sheet" in place of the signature.

Still frustrated they are spending money on a new website and all sorts of crazy stuff when we're facing a huge shortfall. Shouldn't have passed a huge budget to begin with when they don't know how to pay for it.

Is this really the best time to update a website that was working OK? Was than really a priority over putting money to not have to increase class size?

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Not signing rights and responsibilities? Your inability to accept consequences for actions is what is wrong with kids today, sign the agreement and raise your child to follow rules. You as a parent are failing your kid.

@Your Reality, "raise your child to follow rules."

Problem is when (if) they pass the transgender rules to let a boy in with my daughters locker room. Ain't gonna let my kids follow that rule, no way no how!!

Gonna not sign it, and then if they pass crazy rules and try to force my kids to do something they don't wanna do, it ain't gonna happen on my watch!

@Your Reality, that is my reality. I teach my kids to do what is right. Follow the rules, so long as it doesn't go against our ethics.

Had business training years ago that said the same thing. If boss wants to make you do something unethical, it is your duty (for the good of the company) to refuse.

Don't sign. Nobody looks at that crap after we turn in the stack of sig pages.

Feel better?

How do you call yourself parents... Any form you dont sign your kid will just forge. Kids are street smart, tbey get other students to be the 'gaurdian' so that their signatures do not match. This is 1st grade level shit. God damn.

The reason to not sign is not because we don't want to follow rules. It's to say we don't agree in an addition that hasn't been explained well and could put our kids in trouble if they ever express they don't agree with it.

Worse case scenario? Probably. Possible? Yes based on the way the county is being run by this school board and the desire to put the desires of a small population above everyone else.

Just a note to non-signers:

Most kids think you are nuts and old-fashioned and basically analogous to the well-intentioned yet bigoted people they hear about when they study the civil rights era.

The boy who tries to go into the girl's room or locker room under false pretenses will be living a nightmare for the rest of his days as his peer group brings him down.

Oh, and the kids point out all the time that they notice all you people talk about is boys going into the girl's locker room and nothing about girls going into boys. This kind of just reinforces that you are from some other era.

What part of that don't you people understand?

Non-signers Wrote:
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> Just a note to non-signers:
>
> Most kids think you are nuts and old-fashioned and
> basically analogous to the well-intentioned yet
> bigoted people they hear about when they study the
> civil rights era.
>
> The boy who tries to go into the girl's room or
> locker room under false pretenses will be living a
> nightmare for the rest of his days as his peer
> group brings him down.
>
> Oh, and the kids point out all the time that they
> notice all you people talk about is boys going
> into the girl's locker room and nothing about
> girls going into boys. This kind of just
> reinforces that you are from some other era.
>
> What part of that don't you people understand?

"All you people talk about is boys going into the girl's locker room and nothing about girls going into boys. This kind of just reinforces that you are from some other era".

Oh my, are we in some sort of magical era where the sexual violence statistics show neutrality in the percentage of boys' and girls' victims?
...I WISH.
Unfortunately, this is the case-"82% of all juvenile victims are female. 90% of adult rape victims are females" (rainn.org).
Now I won't ignore the data that "about 3% of American men have experienced" sexual violence, but do take notice of the huge percentage difference.

Might I add, that it is a very positive way of thinking that "the boy who tries to go into the girl's...under false pretenses will be living a nightmare,,,as his peer group brings him down", but do take in mind that (when following your own sort of thinking) that there are two sides (just like with boys going into girl's locker room and girls can too go into boy's locker room)with one of them being that his peers might have a good laugh and perhaps praise him for taking such a bold action.

it is gender dysphoria

a mental disorder and should be treated not enabled


do not sign it and teach your children about gender dysphoria so they understand the real problem

Non-signers Wrote:
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> Just a note to non-signers:
>
> Most kids think you are nuts and old-fashioned and
> basically analogous to the well-intentioned yet
> bigoted people they hear about when they study the
> civil rights era.
>
> The boy who tries to go into the girl's room or
> locker room under false pretenses will be living a
> nightmare for the rest of his days as his peer
> group brings him down.
>
> Oh, and the kids point out all the time that they
> notice all you people talk about is boys going
> into the girl's locker room and nothing about
> girls going into boys. This kind of just
> reinforces that you are from some other era.
>
> What part of that don't you people understand?


We understand all of it: you're a kook! Now take a hike loser.

9Jnne Wrote:
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> it is gender dysphoria
>
> a mental disorder and should be treated not
> enabled
>
>
> do not sign it and teach your children about
> gender dysphoria so they understand the real
> problem

There is no such thing. The mental illness exists in the minds of those who believe that such a bullshit concept as "gender identity" is real. The proper way to deal with it is a kick in the ass from Dad or a sound beating from fellow students.

If it's real, why did we never have such crap when I was growing up?

These freaks just need some sense knocked into them.

Sadly, FCPS would probably pick the trans gender student over anyone's daughter should a boy who feels like a boy want to use the locker room.

There are way more boys wanting to transition to girls than the other way. I don't know why they would want to go use a girl's locker room if they clearly don't have female parts but they want the right to do so and FCPS is granting it to them.

Elizabeth Schultz is encouraging parents not to sign on her Twitter feed.

Autosign Wrote:
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> Non-signers Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Just a note to non-signers:
> >
> > Most kids think you are nuts and old-fashioned
> and
> > basically analogous to the well-intentioned
> yet
> > bigoted people they hear about when they study
> the
> > civil rights era.
> >
> > The boy who tries to go into the girl's room or
> > locker room under false pretenses will be living
> a
> > nightmare for the rest of his days as his peer
> > group brings him down.
> >
> > Oh, and the kids point out all the time that
> they
> > notice all you people talk about is boys going
> > into the girl's locker room and nothing about
> > girls going into boys. This kind of just
> > reinforces that you are from some other era.
> >
> > What part of that don't you people understand?
>
>
> We understand all of it: you're a kook! Now take a
> hike loser.


Yea, that's right. So?

Former FCPS Student Wrote:
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> How do you call yourself parents... Any form you
> dont sign your kid will just forge. Kids are
> street smart, tbey get other students to be the
> 'gaurdian' so that their signatures do not match.
> This is 1st grade level shit. God damn.


Kids are street smart. Hahahaha. Who was a kid first? Don't kid yourself, you aren't so smart - street or otherwise.

want this stuff to stop? parents need to get all pitchforky with the school board outside of schoolboard meetings.

9Jnne Wrote:
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> it is gender dysphoria
>
> a mental disorder and should be treated not
> enabled
>
>
> do not sign it and teach your children about
> gender dysphoria so they understand the real
> problem


+1

also 99% of the kids have no idea what the parents sign ever
and there is no consequence to not signing

Victims Statistics Wrote:
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>
> Oh my, are we in some sort of magical era where
> the sexual violence statistics show neutrality in
> the percentage of boys' and girls' victims?
> ...I WISH.
> Unfortunately, this is the case-"82% of all
> juvenile victims are female. 90% of adult rape
> victims are females" (rainn.org).
> Now I won't ignore the data that "about 3% of
> American men have experienced" sexual violence,
> but do take notice of the huge percentage
> difference.
>
> Might I add, that it is a very positive way of
> thinking that "the boy who tries to go into the
> girl's...under false pretenses will be living a
> nightmare,,,as his peer group brings him down",
> but do take in mind that (when following your own
> sort of thinking) that there are two sides (just
> like with boys going into girl's locker room and
> girls can too go into boy's locker room)with one
> of them being that his peers might have a good
> laugh and perhaps praise him for taking such a
> bold action.

So you do recognize stats and facts.
Where are your stats on transgender guys sexually assaulting girls/women to make this such a big problem?

And your 'peers might have a good laugh and perhaps praise him for taking such a bold action.' is beyond ridiculous!

It takes more than a whim one day to dress like a girl and to go into their locker room. The kid would have to go through months of transition and counseling before it would even be discussed.

The signing of the SR&R has never meant that you agree to its contents, only that you acknowledge having received and reviewed it.

Reality bites Wrote:
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> Victims Statistics Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > Oh my, are we in some sort of magical era where
> > the sexual violence statistics show neutrality
> in
> > the percentage of boys' and girls' victims?
> > ...I WISH.
> > Unfortunately, this is the case-"82% of all
> > juvenile victims are female. 90% of adult rape
> > victims are females" (rainn.org).
> > Now I won't ignore the data that "about 3% of
> > American men have experienced" sexual violence,
> > but do take notice of the huge percentage
> > difference.
> >
> > Might I add, that it is a very positive way of
> > thinking that "the boy who tries to go into the
> > girl's...under false pretenses will be living a
> > nightmare,,,as his peer group brings him down",
> > but do take in mind that (when following your
> own
> > sort of thinking) that there are two sides
> (just
> > like with boys going into girl's locker room
> and
> > girls can too go into boy's locker room)with
> one
> > of them being that his peers might have a good
> > laugh and perhaps praise him for taking such a
> > bold action.
>
> So you do recognize stats and facts.
> Where are your stats on transgender guys sexually
> assaulting girls/women to make this such a big
> problem?
>
> And your 'peers might have a good laugh and
> perhaps praise him for taking such a bold action.'
> is beyond ridiculous!
>
> It takes more than a whim one day to dress like a
> girl and to go into their locker room. The kid
> would have to go through months of
> transition and counseling before it would even be
> discussed.


^ This sort of ignorant reply is what happens when someone doesn't read properly...Here, I'll be nice and educate you--
I never referred to a real transgender student-Instead, I referred to "[a] boy...under false pretenses". If you had read properly, then your whole post wouldn't exist.
In case you still don't understand, let me break it down for you.
A boy under false pretenses is a boy who ISN'T transgender.
"The boy who tries to go into the girl's room...under false pretenses", is a boy who, I repeat, is NOT transgender, and is pretending to be one so that he can abuse the allowance of transgender rule and go into the girl's room for evil purposes (aka sexual harassment).

And the boy who has a penis is a boy, not a girl. And the boy who has a vagina, and not a penis, is not a boy but a girl regardless of however said boy may feel about whether he is a boy or a girl.

Here's my analysis of the situation:

The world is changing, and there is no way that you're going to stop it. The liberal movement is winning, transgender students are getting their rights, and as much as you hate it, you are powerless to stop the movement.

Why resist? Why not make sure to be on the winning side? That's how I choose my views. Pick the winning side and profit from it.

Is this what you'd have told the Jews in Poland in 1940 too?

What do the Jews in Poland have to do with signing, or not, the SR&R?

btw, tell the Jews in 1940s Poland to run away or be damned sure to overthrow the illegitimate and deranged political class that is organizing against them.

Let's say...

I'm an American, born from American parents, and born in America, but I wish to be Chinese. I feel that I'm a Chinese person from the bottom of my heart. Shouldn't I get the right to declare my nationality as a Chinese person?

Why is it that boys (born with the male genital) are allowed to become girls?
Why is it that girls (born with the female genital) are allowed to become boys?
But, I (an American) cannot claim/am not allowed to be a Chinese person?

Boys who are born biologically male say that they feel as if they're a girl, and should've been born one, and now, society is shifting their views to accept transgender people and give them their "rights".

I was born American, but I feel as if I'm actually Chinese. Perhaps, in the future, society will accept this change...

9Jnne Wrote:
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> it is gender dysphoria
>
> a mental disorder and should be treated not
> enabled
>
>
> do not sign it and teach your children about
> gender dysphoria so they understand the real
> problem


+1

Reality is so simple, but the ignorant can not grasp it.

Fair point that most all assault and rape reported is on the male side. This is true. Yet, most of what is unreported in high school doesn't necessarily match what you read in the papers. Just saying that we are seeing the attacks from all sorts of students, male/female.
What I am saying is the the constant focus on some teenage boy heading to a bathroom to look at young, little girls is just a dog-whistle- heard that term in the news. It sounds like the stuff we read about from the racist past. (Oh, some black boy will rape a white girl because, well, uh...)

Look, if you don't like it, thats your perspective. Just don't shove your reality based on some made-up concern, or your religious belief, that is not happening in school and won't because actually this generation is more apt to stand up to this kind of stuff. My debate teacher might be upset with so many negatives. Sorry.

Oh, and to "I want to be Chinese" person. Seriously, you should sign up for a debate class so someone can rip you apart for such a dumb argument. I wasn't born Chinese and call myself Chinese is based upon a choice or maybe you lived in China for a while and feel like you really are kinda Chinese. These are choices and maybe you know, I might not have much to say about it because what does it matter?

This is not a choice. It is a reality.
Of course is it not your reality, so you can deny it.

Don't sign the paper, whatever. Just don't dump your views on the rest of us. Your teen will just have to look the other way for a couple more years.

The issue is far beyond bathrooms.

It is also language. There are sooo many unintended consequences that can occur. Have your child sign the paper--but, if he calls
someone by the wrong pronoun, there is the possibility that your child could get in trouble for bullying. Likely? Probably not--but there are many, many other possibilities here that have not been resolved.

When FCPS can define the issue, I will be much more comfortable.

Fair enough. Can understand that argument.
Not sure anyone has gotten in trouble for mistakenly using the wrong pronoun. I mean purposely doing it to just be mean, that could be kind of bullying when you have all sorts of other word choices.
In any case, if you feel the issue needs more time, can understand that. Not in total agreement, tho.

Non-signers Wrote:
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> Fair enough. Can understand that argument.
> Not sure anyone has gotten in trouble for
> mistakenly using the wrong pronoun. I mean
> purposely doing it to just be mean, that could be
> kind of bullying when you have all sorts of other
> word choices.
> In any case, if you feel the issue needs more
> time, can understand that. Not in total agreement,
> tho.


stfu!

you are the problem

thinking kids can bully by calling someone names is ridiculous

kids running to counselors and safe spaces because someone called them fat, when they weigh 250 pounds at 16 years old, is just stupid

we are creating the largest generation of pussies ever

oops! used "pussies" a gendered word that can create a fear of women that their vaginas are somehow a bad thing - we need classes and laws immediately to stop the use of the word pussy



FACT =
it is gender dysphoria
a mental disorder and should be treated not enabled

FANTASY=
all transgender based bullshit

the issue Wrote:
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> The issue is far beyond bathrooms.
>
> It is also language. There are sooo many
> unintended consequences that can occur. Have your
> child sign the paper--but, if he calls
> someone by the wrong pronoun, there is the
> possibility that your child could get in trouble
> for bullying. Likely? Probably not--but there
> are many, many other possibilities here that have
> not been resolved.
>
> When FCPS can define the issue, I will be much
> more comfortable.


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I'm not sure why we are celebrating the mentally ill rather than giving them treatment.

lame stuff Wrote:
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> I'm not sure why we are celebrating the mentally
> ill rather than giving them treatment.

Because Democrats need love also?

hey there! don't be a fucking bitch, and maybe accept people. yes i know that this is an old thread, still need to comment.