Panties stuffed in your mouth Wrote:
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> Oh yeah, I've always wanted to be a pretentious
> asshole. lol I happily concede the title for that
> one to you. Congrats, you're King of Assholes.
> I know that you're a pretentious asshole. As does
> everyone else here. As does everyone else in your
> miserable life.

Waaa, waaa, waaa! The bad man made the poor wittle boy feel bad...
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Gaping Prolapsed Asshole Wrote:
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> Waaa, waaa, waaa! The bad man made the poor
> wittle boy feel bad...
> .

Anger? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!

Anal fissure Wrote:
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> Anger? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!

% increase of ESOL through the roof
% increase of FARMS through the roof
% increase of services demanded through the roof

Ben Dover Fairfax

Looks like FCPS has plenty of money:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/fairfax-ends-the-year-with-million-in-unspent-cash-again/2014/07/17/239f1dda-0dca-11e4-8c9a-923ecc0c7d23_story.html

we ARE rich Wrote:
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> Looks like FCPS has plenty of money:
>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/fair
> fax-ends-the-year-with-million-in-unspent-cash-aga
> in/2014/07/17/239f1dda-0dca-11e4-8c9a-923ecc0c7d23
> _story.html

Asshole report paid his real estate tax late, they weren't budgeting in the millions they would get from him.

Asshole Report #14-0071 Wrote:
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> Well, in this case it led to an increase of 22,544
> students over the course of 12 years, an average
> of 1,879 new students per year. The point,
> however, was that some of the rates being bandied
> about by partisans earlier were gross distortions
> of reality.


well well well. lookee who's distorting numbers now! "dude, that was years ago".

you can't average student growth over a dozen years and say it's only 1879 more a year.

when 3000 kids show up in one year, any school system is screwed. scratch that. the taxpayers are royally screwed and then some.

that's more than most high schools! just popping up out of where? even the flattened rate over 12 years of almost 1900 that doesn't take into account bigger recent increases is bad. we don't teach kids in bounce house blow up schools.

yet.

we ARE rich Wrote:
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> Looks like FCPS has plenty of money:

Well, we have an asshole surplus, that's for sure. The budget is fucking SUPPOSED to result in small end-of-year unexpended balances. That's because it is so much easier to deal with surpluses than with shortfalls. Obviously, you (and I'm sure many other dumbfucks here) are just TOO FUCKING STUPID to have figured that out. The FFXU dunce-factor rears its ugly head once again.

PS AR #14-0071

You know what I do in your general direction. Take your coconuts and go.

thanks asshole report! Wrote:
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> Asshole report paid his real estate tax late, they
> weren't budgeting in the millions they would get
> from him.

ENVY...ENVY...ENVY...ENVY...ENVY...ENVY...ENVY...ENVY...ENVY

It's uncomfortable being such a fucking failure in life, isn't it, you pathetic little goober-shit loser. I'd invite you to drive by my place just to make you feel a little worse, but you can't really see it from the road. Isn't it about time for you to vacuum that 350 sqft condo, btw? Worthless dumbfuck.

It's not so much that they have a surplus as that they SB is allowed to use their discretion on how to spend it (and they report here that in the past it has been spent on Blackberrys and turf fields). THAT is the problem. There should be oversight (regs) on how the surplus can be spent and it shouldn't be for this kind of stuff. They want to implement a meals tax when this is going on? Right.

Asshole Report #14-0071 Wrote:
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> thanks asshole report! Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Asshole report paid his real estate tax late,
> they
> > weren't budgeting in the millions they would
> get
> > from him.
>
> ENVY...ENVY...ENVY...ENVY...ENVY...ENVY...ENVY...E
> NVY...ENVY
>
> It's uncomfortable being such a fucking failure in
> life, isn't it, you pathetic little goober-shit
> loser. I'd invite you to drive by my place just
> to make you feel a little worse, but you can't
> really see it from the road. Isn't it about time
> for you to vacuum that 350 sqft condo, btw?
> Worthless dumbfuck.

SillyKniggits Wrote:
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> well well well. lookee who's distorting numbers
> now! "dude, that was years ago".

Go fuck yourself, you ignorant worthless turd-muncher. 2014 is fucking THIS YEAR. Are you so fucked up as to be unable to get the concept of THIS FUCKING YEAR through your head? What a god-awful dumbfuck.

> you can't average student growth over a dozen
> years and say it's only 1879 more a year.

ATTENTION ALL HOPELESS DUMBFUCKS AND ASSHOLES: When growth over 12 years amounts to 22,544 students, then the average annual student increase across those 12 years was 22,544 divided by 12 equals 1,879. That's the FUCKING DEFINITION of an average, you mindless fucking moron.

And all that fucking explosion in enrollment you useless goober fucktards forever whine over has actually been a measly 1.1% per year. You fucking stooge-fucks are just plain batshit stupid. That's all there is to it. Too fucking dumb.

SillyKniggits Wrote:
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> PS AR #14-0071 You know what I do in your general
> direction. Take your coconuts and go.

Blow me, you worthless ignorant asshole. You and your consistently shit-faced goober blabber are of utterly no consequence. Go soak in your misery and envy, you pathetic dickless failure.

makes no sense Wrote:
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> It's not so much that they have a surplus as that
> they SB is allowed to use their discretion on how
> to spend it (and they report here that in the past
> it has been spent on Blackberrys and turf fields).
> THAT is the problem. There should be oversight
> (regs) on how the surplus can be spent and it
> shouldn't be for this kind of stuff. They want to
> implement a meals tax when this is going on?
> Right.

Standard practice to allow such trivial amounts to be reprogrammed at executive discretion at the end of a fiscal year. What desert island have you been stuck on all these years?

Asshole Report #14-0071 Wrote:
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> Blow me, you worthless ignorant asshole. You and
> your consistently shit-faced goober blabber are of
> utterly no consequence. Go soak in your misery
> and envy, you pathetic dickless failure.

Let's see... who on FU writes like this? Hmmmm...

not the one cursing. Wrote:
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...
You be the CURSEE, you miserable worthless lying dumbfuck.

A New Name? Wrote:
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> Let's see... who on FU writes like this? Hmmmm...

I do, moron. It's the fourth fucking page of the thread. How fucking slow on the take-up are you, asshole?

Asshole Report #14-0071 Wrote:
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>
> > you can't average student growth over a dozen
> > years and say it's only 1879 more a year.
>
> ATTENTION ALL HOPELESS DUMBFUCKS AND ASSHOLES:
> When growth over 12 years amounts to 22,544
> students, then the average annual student increase
> across those 12 years was 22,544 divided by 12
> equals 1,879. That's the FUCKING DEFINITION of an
> average, you mindless fucking moron.
>


What was the increase in Hispanic students over that same time?

A New Name? Wrote:
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> Asshole Report #14-0071 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > Blow me, you worthless ignorant asshole. You
> and
> > your consistently shit-faced goober blabber are
> of
> > utterly no consequence. Go soak in your misery
> > and envy, you pathetic dickless failure.
>
> Let's see... who on FU writes like this? Hmmmm...

Ahhh you finally got me, took you long enough!

I don't know if too many people on this thread have firsthand knowledge of the "flood" of students, but those of us with kids in the system see it and have felt it. My daughter was in a preschool where the afterschool teacher was an immigrant (legal, I assumed) and as soon as the lead teacher would leave, she would only speak Spanish to the students that were there (70% in the afterschool were Hispanic). She ignored my daughter and ostracized her. I saw this happen twice before lodging a complaint and moving her out of that shoddy-ass program. Her Elementary school is ridiculous. What could be a good school has so many kids that can't communicate in English that the teacher has to focus on them leaving my kid not getting the instruction she deserves. Kids are asked to purchase supplies through the school so so the "newcomers" who get the freebies will have the same backpack and pencils and crayons and not feel left out.

Some of you might wonder about the numbers being manpulated, but I know what I see with my own eyes, and it tells me that this immigration/infestation/invasion is destroying this school system, this tax base and this country.

Here's an interesting piece of information I found. If you look at the schools in the Fairfax County Public Schools, then look at their hispanic population and the percentage of students receiving free or reduced lunch, the numbers are within a couple of percentage points. For instance, Providence Elementary - 31%Hispanic, 33% Free lunch. Try it yourself...it's a fun game!

You should

Move to Loudoun/better yet get out of Northern Virginia all together
Make more money and move to a good distric
My favorite not shower for 2 days and wear the same clothing to school and join in on all the free stuff whopee

K7Cuh Wrote:
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> What was the increase in Hispanic students over
> that same time?

Fewer than an average of 1,879 per year, which of course has no bearing at all on how fucking averages are calculated. Stupid dumbshit.

Frustrated in Fairfax Wrote:
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> I don't know if too many people on this thread
> have firsthand knowledge of the "flood" of
> students, but those of us with kids in the system
> see it and have felt it.

Gee, another sorry-ass plea for special status. Go sit in the corner, dweebette. Your petition is DENIED!

Asshole Report #14-0071 Wrote:
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> Frustrated in Fairfax Wrote:
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> > I don't know if too many people on this thread
> > have firsthand knowledge of the "flood" of
> > students, but those of us with kids in the
> system
> > see it and have felt it.
>
> Gee, another sorry-ass plea for special status.
> Go sit in the corner, dweebette. Your petition is
> DENIED!
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No such thing as a free lunch... Wrote:
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> Here's an interesting piece of information I
> found. If you look at the schools in the Fairfax
> County Public Schools, then look at their hispanic
> population and the percentage of students
> receiving free or reduced lunch, the numbers are
> within a couple of percentage points. For
> instance, Providence Elementary - 31%Hispanic, 33%
> Free lunch. Try it yourself...it's a fun game!

What did you say your IQ was? 70? 75?

@Asshole: my bad - that pic isnt for you, it's for whoever you were responding to.....................

Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> Asshole Report #14-0071 Wrote:
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> -----
> > Frustrated in Fairfax Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > I don't know if too many people on this
> thread
> > > have firsthand knowledge of the "flood" of
> > > students, but those of us with kids in the
> > system
> > > see it and have felt it.
> >
> > Gee, another sorry-ass plea for special status.
>
> > Go sit in the corner, dweebette. Your petition
> is
> > DENIED!


Oh no gordy, it can't be the illegals fault. I make 10 million a year and know everything. I'm really special.

Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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Another non-mustard-cutter? Oh boy...

Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> @Asshole: my bad - that pic isnt for you, it's
> for whoever you were responding
> to.....................

Well, everyone but you seems to be a bit confused on that then.

slower than molasses in January, I am

i still know I have more pressing concerns in my life that what the colour of the kids in the damn school are.............

pic unrelated



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Asshole Report #14-0071 Wrote:
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> K7Cuh Wrote:
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> > What was the increase in Hispanic students over
> > that same time?
>
> Fewer than an average of 1,879 per year, which of
> course has no bearing at all on how fucking
> averages are calculated. Stupid dumbshit.

Yeah, less... Like very few less... Like the vast majority. Which has bearing on the subject of this thread.

beat around the bush Wrote:
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> I make 10 million a year and know everything. I'm
> really special.

Oh no! Envy-Boy is still sobbing away over there. That's so sad. You should have worked both smarter and harder it looks like, my destitute poor little churl.

Almost 400 replies of complete fuckery in only a few days. Stay classy Fairfax!

Fairfax more taxes to pay for all the extra stuff for our especial amigos

Have a great weekend

bendover Wrote:
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> Fairfax more taxes to pay for all the extra stuff
> for our especial amigos
>
> Have a great weekend


Yes free back packs, free school supplies(enjoy buying yours), free meals and 10 to a classroom while your kid sits packed with 30 others.

The IG’s office issued its report on this audit--which covered tax years 2007, 2008, 2009 and 2010--this March.

One of its findings was that there were 365 dead children whose SSNs reportedly earned wages during the four years audited. “In three cases,” the IG determined, “the earnings were legitimate and earned by child actors who had died.”

But in the other 362 cases, people had misused the SSNs of dead children.

On their face, Social Security records indicated that these 362 dead children had worked for 626 different employers over the four-year period covered by the audit and earned a collective $9 million.

“Of the 362 deceased children, 326 were under age 7 when the wages were earned,” said the report. “In fact, 24 of the children had died at birth.”

In many cases, a parent or a relative stole the dead child’s SSN.

“In 59 of these cases, it is likely the deceased child’s parent used the child’s identity for employment,” said the report. “For these cases, we found that the reported names on the W-2s matched the parent’s names on the child’s Numident. For example, a child who was 2-years-old when he died in January 2000 had over $119,000 in wages reported for TYs 2007 through 2009 by a construction company.”

In 13 cases, the dead child had been receiving “disability benefits” before he or she died. The baby boy whose illegal-alien father posthumously stole his identity was one of these.

“For example, a child who was under 1-year-old when he died in July 2001 had over $114,000 in wages reported for TYs 2007 through 2009 by a company in the business, administrative, and support industry,” said the audit report.

Asshole Report #14-0071 Wrote:
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> SillyKniggits Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > well well well. lookee who's distorting numbers
> > now! "dude, that was years ago".
>
> Go fuck yourself, you ignorant worthless
> turd-muncher. 2014 is fucking THIS YEAR. Are you
> so fucked up as to be unable to get the concept of
> THIS FUCKING YEAR through your head? What a
> god-awful dumbfuck.
>
> > you can't average student growth over a dozen
> > years and say it's only 1879 more a year.
>
> ATTENTION ALL HOPELESS DUMBFUCKS AND ASSHOLES:
> When growth over 12 years amounts to 22,544
> students, then the average annual student increase
> across those 12 years was 22,544 divided by 12
> equals 1,879. That's the FUCKING DEFINITION of an
> average, you mindless fucking moron.
>
> And all that fucking explosion in enrollment you
> useless goober fucktards forever whine over has
> actually been a measly 1.1% per year. You fucking
> stooge-fucks are just plain batshit stupid.
> That's all there is to it. Too fucking dumb.




"dude that was years ago" quip explained for you using small words

-> as in white house's witless tommy vietor quote saying talking points were irrelevant because "that was two years ago". clearly went over your head. too much time on ffxu?


>22,544 divided by 12 equals 1,879.

maybe you did graduate from fcps.

to average the increase over 12 years depresses more recent, higher increases. flattening out #s over 12 years distorts {hides} problem of bigger increases after 2007. looking at hispanic student increased #s, yes a bunch in fcps classrooms are probably illegal.


(fetchez la vache!)
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K7Cuh Wrote:
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> Asshole Report #14-0071 Wrote:
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> >
> > > you can't average student growth over a dozen
> > > years and say it's only 1879 more a year.
> >
> > ATTENTION ALL HOPELESS DUMBFUCKS AND ASSHOLES:
> > When growth over 12 years amounts to 22,544
> > students, then the average annual student
> increase
> > across those 12 years was 22,544 divided by 12
> > equals 1,879. That's the FUCKING DEFINITION of
> an
> > average, you mindless fucking moron.
> >
>
>
> What was the increase in Hispanic students over
> that same time?


Hispanic/Latino % increased 67.86% in that same time

22,556 14.05% of 160,584 students in 2002

43,211 23.58% of 183,269 students in 2014

SillyKniggits Wrote:
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Listen up, you dried-up worthless ignorant turd-munching toad-fuck hack: 2014 is the CURRENT FUCKING YEAR. Got that? Averages are and always have been calculated as the sum of the observations divided by the number of observations. Got that? It has been repeatedly pointed out that individual annual increases were slightly below the 1.1% 12-year average rate prior to the Great Recession (that your bang-up gang of hopeless assfucks created and then prolonged) and slightly higher after. What has not been pointed out -- because it would have been a patent, deliberate, and assholishly grotesque distortion of the truth -- is that any skyrocketing increases in FCPS enrollment have occurred. That assholishness of course does not bother worthless assholes in the slightest, contemptible loser dickwad fucking liars that all of them are. That is why they have repeatedly tried to claim such increases when there is in fact no fucking history of them at all. In this, they simply mark themselves as nothing more than disgusting social dregs, pathetic mental low-lifes, and useless ignorant lying fucking asstards and dorkshits. As such a feckless and thoroughly proven asshole, you certainly seem well suited to that role.

In the past 20 years, the Hispanic population of the school system has almost quadrupled, reaching more than 43,000 students this year (2013), or 23.6 percent of the school population, according to the Report of Student Membership by Ethnicity, Race and Gender.

The number of white students has decreased by more than 16,000 in the same time frame, to just under 76,000 this year. From the start of the 1993-94 school year, the percentage of white students has dipped 26 points, from 67.4 percent to 41.4 percent of the student body.

GoldSharpie Wrote:
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> Hispanic/Latino % increased 67.86% in that same
> time. 22,556 = 14.05% of 160,584 students in 2002.
> 43,211 = 23.58% of 183,269 students in 2014.

20-year history of Hispanic enrollment in FCPS, not accounting for changes in what counts as Hispanic that have occurred over that time...

1994 -- 11,606 = 8.5%
1999 -- 16,332 = 10.9%
2004 -- 24,720 = 15.1%
2009 -- 30,549 = 18.1%
2014 -- 43,211 = 23.6%

Nothing to see here but the expected recession-related dip to lower than usual membership growth over 2004-09.

1992 TO 2012 ETHNICITY AND RACE
MEMBERSHIP AT FIVE-YEAR INTERVALS

White

1992-1993 92,764 68.8%
1997-1998 91,608 62.2%
2002-2003 87,997 54.1%
2007-2008 78,839 47.7%
2012-2013 76,279 42.3%


Hispanic

1992-1993 10,477 7.8%
1997-1998 15,254 10.4%
2002-2003 23,812 14.6%
2007-2008 28,251 17.1%
2012-2013 41,171 22.8%

LOL! Why not click on the link for this year?

In FY 2014, $21.7 million including 299.0 school-based positions is required to
accommodate enrollment and demographic adjustments.

The FY 2014 projection includes 3,089 students more than the FY 2013 projection and
accounts for continued shifts in the English for Speakers of Other Languages (ESOL),
Special Services, and Free or Reduced-Price Meals eligible populations.

Fuck you, you goober assholes.

Asshole Report #14-0071 Wrote:
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> Fuck you, you goober assholes.

The massive pain and butthurt being experienced by poor talentless Envy-Boy continues unabated. Did I mention that I had dinner Wednesday with Chuck Schumer and Lindsey Graham? I don't think I did. Lots of talk about immigration. But what would a stupid goober asshole pisssant like you know about that? Fucking nothing, that's what. Stupid goober moron. Keep on sobbing, loser-boy.

Browm Drowned Wrote:
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> In FY 2014, $21.7 million including 299.0 school-
> based positions is required to accommodate enrollment
> and demographic adjustments. The FY 2014 projection
> includes 3,089 students more than the FY 2013 projection
> and accounts for continued shifts in the English for
> Speakers of Other Languages (ESOL), Special Services,
> and Free or Reduced-Price Meals eligible populations.

Your point being that we should not be teaching English to those we demand learn English? That's pretty dumb. Do you feel the same way about teaching STEM courses given the levels of demand for STEM-competent graduates?

Meanwhile, the costs of subsidized and partly-subsidized meals are a federally underwritten expense. Just like the snack and summer food service programs. The data are used at the county level merely as markers for changing demographics. That is something that has been going on for quite a long time. But demographics tell only a part of the story. A large part is played as well by economics, as eligibility for subsidized meals is tied to two economic signposts -- 130% of poverty level and 185% of poverty level. General declines in employment and income since 2000 -- only accelerated by the effects of the Great Republican Recession -- have been a significant driver of rising subsidized meals program participation numbers. Right-wing white-out doesn't cover up that fact.

Fuck you, you envious goober asshole. I'm the real one, and at least try to get the dates/events correct when dropping names. Goober teapartier.

Of course... since all have the same aptitudes for STEM work.

What a goober racist asshole.

See, this is how we know you're the goober asshole - there was no decline in employment in FFX over the past decade. Only a teapartier would make such a glaring error.

"Meanwhile, the costs of subsidized and partly-subsidized meals are a federally underwritten expense. Just like the snack and summer food service programs."

The suggestion, as is always the case with liberals, is that these programs cost nothing. In this case, Fairfax County does not have to pay because the federal government pays.

If you look it up, I believe that you will find that Fairfax County residents pay federal income tax, so they are are paying for it.

It was the same with the proposed meals tax. One supporter on FFU actually called the tax a free lunch, even though it was cost those paying it $90 million the first year, so something like a billion dollars over the first decade, for a completely new tax.

Fuck you Eric, you goober racist asshole. I've got your number.

FCPS will be the model of future for our new illegals, teach them to speak english, then replace those still can't speak english niggers. Damn 400 years in this country and those niggers are still dumb as they were the first day they got here.

The democrat Wrote:
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> FCPS will be the model of future for our new
> illegals, teach them to speak english, then
> replace those still can't speak english niggers.
> Damn 400 years in this country and those niggers
> are still dumb as they were the first day they got
> here.


What will be do with the niggers?

Asshole Report #14-0071 Wrote:
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> Browm Drowned Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > In FY 2014, $21.7 million including 299.0
> school-
> > based positions is required to accommodate
> enrollment
> > and demographic adjustments. The FY 2014
> projection
> > includes 3,089 students more than the FY 2013
> projection
> > and accounts for continued shifts in the
> English for
> > Speakers of Other Languages (ESOL), Special
> Services,
> > and Free or Reduced-Price Meals eligible
> populations.
>
> Your point being that we should not be teaching
> English to those we demand learn English? That's
> pretty dumb. Do you feel the same way about
> teaching STEM courses given the levels of demand
> for STEM-competent graduates?
>
> Meanwhile, the costs of subsidized and
> partly-subsidized meals are a federally
> underwritten expense. Just like the snack and
> summer food service programs. The data are used
> at the county level merely as markers for changing
> demographics. That is something that has been
> going on for quite a long time. But demographics
> tell only a part of the story. A large part is
> played as well by economics, as eligibility for
> subsidized meals is tied to two economic signposts
> -- 130% of poverty level and 185% of poverty
> level. General declines in employment and income
> since 2000 -- only accelerated by the effects of
> the Great Republican Recession -- have been a
> significant driver of rising subsidized meals
> program participation numbers. Right-wing
> white-out doesn't cover up that fact.


The point being that they are a large and disproportionate cost which drains resources from those who are supposed to be here as opposed to those who are not.

We have a surplus of STEM-competent graduates and workers. Businesses aren't pushing for HB visas and similar because we need more, they're doing so because they want more *cheap* immigrant STEM workers.

good plan but.. Wrote:
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> The democrat Wrote:
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> > FCPS will be the model of future for our new
> > illegals, teach them to speak english, then
> > replace those still can't speak english niggers.
>
> > Damn 400 years in this country and those
> niggers
> > are still dumb as they were the first day they
> got
> > here.
>
>
> What will be do with the niggers?


You are supposed the furnish your niggers to replaced with an airline ticket to Africa. Try Malaysian airline,cheaper and will divert over the Ulkraine.

POTNUS Wrote:
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> The suggestion, as is always the case with
> liberals, is that these programs cost nothing.

No, it's that the costs are not paid for by Fairfax County. Reduced price meals are NOT driving up anybody's property taxes.

> In this case, Fairfax County does not have to
> pay because the federal government pays. If
> you look it up, I believe that you will find
> that Fairfax County residents pay federal income
> tax, so they are are paying for it.

If you knew your ass from a hole in the ground, you would know that there is no connection between taxation and spending at the federal level. The costs of the various subsidized meals programs can go up or down and the number at the bottom of your 1040 will stay exactly the same.

> It was the same with the proposed meals tax. One
> supporter on FFU actually called the tax a free
> lunch, even though it was cost those paying it $90
> million the first year, so something like a
> billion dollars over the first decade, for a
> completely new tax.

Pay attention. A county-level meals tax was not proposed. It was studied and shelved. A big difference meanwhile between property taxes and a meals tax is that 100% of property tax revenues come from county residents while only 60-70% of meal tax revenues would. Let's see if that will sink in.

HUCJK Wrote:
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> The point being that they are a large and
> disproportionate cost which drains resources from
> those who are supposed to be here as opposed to
> those who are not.

LOL! Swim upstream much, Bozo? The FACT is that legal or not (and again, you don't know which is which) many children of Hispanic heritage ARE here and since their parents pay the same taxes that you do, these kids have every right to attend FCPS schools and to be provided with education appropriate to their needs, often including instruction in English for speakers of other languages. The FCPS curriculum is in fact tailored in this way to meet the needs of many student subsets.

> We have a surplus of STEM-competent graduates and
> workers. Businesses aren't pushing for HB visas
> and similar because we need more, they're doing so
> because they want more *cheap* immigrant STEM
> workers.

Ah, I see. You live in an alternative universe. That would explain the propeller-beanie ridiculousness of your comments across the board.

Gerrymanderer2:
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> POTNUS Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
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> > The suggestion, as is always the case with
> > liberals, is that these programs cost nothing.
>
> No, it's that the costs are not paid for by
> Fairfax County.


Gosh, then who pays for them if not us?


> If you knew your ass from a hole in the ground,
> you would know that there is no connection between
> taxation and spending at the federal level. The
> costs of the various subsidized meals programs can
> go up or down and the number at the bottom of your
> 1040 will stay exactly the same.

So costs go up and no one pays more. That's impressive. Explains why that GMU prof received a Nobel in Economics.

> Pay attention. A county-level meals tax was not
> proposed. It was studied and shelved.

Not shelved, dead and buried. Best comment from the report:

"The County does not need more revenue."

http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/mealstax/meals-tax-referendum-final-report.htm

FAD wrote:

"Pay attention. A county-level meals tax was not proposed. It was studied and shelved. A big difference meanwhile between property taxes and a meals tax is that 100% of property tax revenues come from county residents while only 60-70% of meal tax revenues would. Let's see if that will sink in."

Along with the name-calling, thanks for proving my point that liberals always suggest that it's all free money the government spends.

Okay, so of the $90 million raised the first year by the "free lunch" meals tax only 60-70% (about $70 million) would have come out of the pockets of Fairfax County residents. So is the other 30-40% just free money? Of course not, it is coming out of the pockets of others who eat in Fairfax and is not available for them to spend on other things, which workers make or provide.

Just like when Fairfax residents pay a meals tax in other counties. It's not free money. It comes out of our pockets, giving us less money to spend on cars, houses, diapers, books, and other things that workers make or provide.

This is exactly what is killing middle class workers and entrepreneurs today.

I also note that you explicitly claim that there is no connection between government spending and the amount of money the government raises. Sadly, this reveals that you are very inflicted with the liberal mindset that government does not have to pay for what it spends. Of course it does, in the long run. Your kids and mine will have to make up the difference, or face higher interest rates or inflation.

Blah blah blah blah blah Wrote:
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> Gerrymanderer2:

LOLOLOLOL!!!

> Gosh, then who pays for them if not us?

The federal government, as had already been pointed out. Not really all that much on the uptake, are you.

> So costs go up and no one pays more. That's impressive.

No, it's perfectly ordinary. There is no connection between federal receipts and outlays. The federal government is not some large-scale version of your tiny little no-account household. The federal government plays by very different rules. Possibly you've never bothered to investigate here? That would explain your tabula rasa ignorance.

> Explains why that GMU prof received a Nobel in Economics.

Buchanan or Smith? Not that I'd expect you to understand a word that either one of them ever wrote.

> Not shelved, dead and buried. Best comment from
> the report: "The County does not need more revenue."

Wow, you really are a goober dumbfuck. After the ravages if the Great Recession (inflicted upon us by a bunch of right-wing economic assholes), this County and many others are left in desperate need of expanded revenues. While the timing may not have been right, a meals tax -- such as the ones already on the books in hundreds of other Virginia jurisdictions -- would have been quite an efficient and effective step in that direction. As such, the idea will resurface in the not at all distant future. And it will ultimately be adopted.

POTNUS Wrote:
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> Along with the name-calling...

You get what you pay for, Dumbo, so mind your step a little more closely if you are the thin-skinned type.

> thanks for proving my point that liberals always
> suggest that it's all free money the government
> spends.

The federal government is not a household. There is no connection between its receipts and outlays. None. This is a basic premise of federal finance. It would be covered during Week-1 of the course. Along with taxing authority and currency-issuing authority.

> Okay, so of the $90 million raised the first year
> by the "free lunch" meals tax only 60-70% (about
> $70 million) would have come out of the pockets of
> Fairfax County residents.

Bad math. 70 is 78% of 90. 60-70% of 90 would be 54-63. That's covered in Week-1 of like the fifth grade.

> So is the other 30-40% just free money? Of course
> not, it is coming out of the pockets of others who
> eat in Fairfax...

That's right. Commmuters from other states and counties who use our services but don't actually pay for them. Then there are the tourists who come from far and wide to enjoy our local splendors, and of course the business travellers who come to meet and greet and entertain and lobby, but who also don't bother to leave much of a tip for housekeeping.

> ...and is not available for them to spend on other
> things, which workers make or provide. Just like
> when Fairfax residents pay a meals tax in other
> counties. It's not free money. It comes out of our
> pockets, giving us less money to spend on cars,
> houses, diapers, books, and other things that
> workers make or provide. This is exactly what is
> killing middle class workers and entrepreneurs today.

Oh, the humanity! I think I need a hanky! But let's review. Vienna, Herndon, Fairfax City, and the City of Falls Church, along with Manassas and Manassas Park, Alexandria, and Arlington are already among the nearly 200 Virginia jurisdictions that impose a meals tax. Despite the phony threats and ridiculous sob stories invented by dishonest meals tax opponents, the economies of these locales are not crumbling, jobs are not disappearing, and local families are not disintegrating. Exactly NONE of the things that tax critics issue their dire warnings over have ever actually come to pass in any of these places. They simply have an expanded and more diverse tax base to work from. Good for them, but ho help to us.

> I also note that you explicitly claim that there
> is no connection between government spending and
> the amount of money the government raises.

That's because it is true. When the bills come in, Treasury managers use whatever cash they have on hand to pay them, and after that, they simply borrow the rest. Been that way for a long, long time. The nation was in fact born of borrowing and debt. Debt has quite a prominent place on our family tree.

> Sadly, this reveals that you are very inflicted with
> the liberal mindset that government does not have to
> pay for what it spends.

God, you're a goober. Borrowing is a means of financing, just like paying with cash.

> Of course it does, in the long run. Your kids and mine will have to make up
> the difference, or face higher interest rates or inflation.

You're truly sick. How much are you struggling under the burden of WWII debts that the supposedly Greatest Generation walked away from and dumped in your lap? Are those bills what's holding you back? Is that what's troubling you, Bunky? You might want to go get a grip or something!

Yeah, here's another one for you to go register, Envy-Boy, you worthless low-life fucktard. Being drawn-and-quartered yet again seems to have left you in a foul mood, you useless piece of ignorant toad-shit.

FAD, by your logic, which is interspersed amongst the name-calling, it seems like the government might as well just buy everyone a McMansion, a Lexus, and an Ivy League education, since it doesn't really have to pay for what it spends.

The children are already paying. Our state colleges used to be much more heavily subsidized by state government. Now the kids have loans (which are basically those tax subsidies ). The burden of those "student loan taxes" is weighing down the recovery. That money that used to be used for college subsidies is now going to FRM, health care, and education expenses for others. That's how the middle class is further gouged. There truly is no free lunch. The government got the students to borrow. The level of overall debt is high.

POTNUS Wrote:
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> FAD, by your logic, which is interspersed amongst
> the name-calling, it seems like the government
> might as well just buy everyone a McMansion, a
> Lexus, and an Ivy League education, since it
> doesn't really have to pay for what it spends.

Dude, the government pays for everything it purchases. If it didn't, suppliers would simply stop entering into contracts with them. And the world economic order would collapse. The question here is over how various payments are financed. Reduced cost meals are financed by payments from the feds to local schools. The schools then use those funds to provide the covered meals, at no cost to students at 130% of poverty and below, and at reduced cost to those at 131-185% of poverty. These are free funds to the schools. The feds can and do simply cut such checks. When those checks are ultimately presented to Treasury for payment, cash on hand will be used for that purpose if available, or the amounts needed will simply be borrowed. No additional taxes will be either due or collected. Receipts in general are an entirely separate matter from outlays.

who pays Wrote:
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> The children are already paying. Our state
> colleges used to be much more heavily subsidized
> by state government. Now the kids have loans
> (which are basically those tax subsidies ). The
> burden of those "student loan taxes" is weighing
> down the recovery. That money that used to be
> used for college subsidies is now going to FRM,
> health care, and education expenses for others.
> That's how the middle class is further gouged.
> There truly is no free lunch. The government got
> the students to borrow. The level of overall debt
> is high.

State schools are obviously a state matter, but it's quite true that pressures from right-wing fiscal morons to cut taxes and spending led legislatures all over the country to slash higher education funding, leaving more and more of the tab for Mom and Dad to pick up or for a student to borrow against uncertain future earnings. An object lesson in how trying to do things on the cheap will often backfire.

As outlined above, free and reduced meals do not impose an additional burden on anyone. Rates of increase in health care costs have been reduced. What is otherwise squeezing the middle class is cuts in their pay and benefits imposed by corporatists unopposed by any countervailing power.

Further Asshole Discoveries Wrote:
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> HUCJK Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The point being that they are a large and
> > disproportionate cost which drains resources
> from
> > those who are supposed to be here as opposed to
> > those who are not.
>
> LOL! Swim upstream much, Bozo? The FACT is that
> legal or not (and again, you don't know which is
> which) many children of Hispanic heritage ARE here
> and since their parents pay the same taxes that
> you do, these kids have every right to attend FCPS
> schools and to be provided with education
> appropriate to their needs, often including
> instruction in English for speakers of other
> languages. The FCPS curriculum is in fact
> tailored in this way to meet the needs of many
> student subsets.


None of which changes the fact that they are a large and costly drain on resources and the primary factor which now drives increased costs.


> > We have a surplus of STEM-competent graduates
> and
> > workers. Businesses aren't pushing for HB
> visas
> > and similar because we need more, they're doing
> so
> > because they want more *cheap* immigrant STEM
> > workers.
>
> Ah, I see. You live in an alternative universe.
> That would explain the propeller-beanie
> ridiculousness of your comments across the board.


We graduate more new STEM candidates every year than there are new STEM jobs created. In addition to having an existing surplus of STEM workers and losing versus gaining STEM positions. The only segment of the market beyond some limited, more specific areas where there is any significant shortage is at lower, semi-technical levels.

The reason that the Facebooks and Microsofts, et. al., all push the visa angle (note to the virtual exclusion of any other approach) is that they want access to a large pool of pre-trained, specialized-skill workers on a shorter-term track at lower cost. In most years the top 10 H-1B visa sponsors are large outsourcing firms like Infosys and Tata who hire/provide about half of all. Only a very small percentage (< 5%) ever even apply to become citizens. Most are trained and then rotate back to their home country often with the work. When Gates and others say that they couldn't run their business without them, what they really mean is that they couldn't hit their numbers and product cycles if they had to pay full longer-term employee life-cycle rates and train and retrain people. We can produce all of the STEM grads that we want and it won't change the dynamics of that labor market.

E3kLm Wrote:
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> None of which changes the fact that they are a
> large and costly drain on resources and the
> primary factor which now drives increased costs.

God, you're a dumbfuck. This is universal free education we are doing here. The gifted and talented are a large and costly drain on resources. IDEA kids are a large and costly drain on resources. Athletes are a large and costly drain on resources. Pampered little white pricks and sissies are a large and costly drain on resources. Fucking everybody enrolled is part of some large and costly drain on resources, so please do just go fuck your worthless self and be done with it.

> We graduate more new STEM candidates every year
> than there are new STEM jobs created. In addition
> to having an existing surplus of STEM workers and
> losing versus gaining STEM positions. The only
> segment of the market beyond some limited, more
> specific areas where there is any significant
> shortage is at lower, semi-technical levels.

First of all, moron, education in general is for tomorrow, not today. Second of all, a strong STEM foundation will be necessary over broad ranges of STEM and non-STEM careers in a future that you are too fucking deaf, dumb, and blind to envision. Nobody gives two fucks about what Facebook (seriously?) or Microsoft are doing to influence federal policy. It's irrelevant. This is about the world of FCPS, a world in which you rather plainly have no functional role to play at all.

Further Asshole Discoverys Wrote:
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> E3kLm Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > None of which changes the fact that they are a
> > large and costly drain on resources and the
> > primary factor which now drives increased
> costs.
>
> God, you're a dumbfuck. This is universal free
> education we are doing here. The gifted and
> talented are a large and costly drain on
> resources. IDEA kids are a large and costly drain
> on resources. Athletes are a large and costly
> drain on resources. Pampered little white pricks
> and sissies are a large and costly drain on
> resources. Fucking everybody enrolled is part of
> some large and costly drain on resources, so
> please do just go fuck your worthless self and be
> done with it.


Except it's not at all free. And what's spent on those who shouldn't be here takes away from those who should.


>
> > We graduate more new STEM candidates every year
> > than there are new STEM jobs created. In
> addition
> > to having an existing surplus of STEM workers
> and
> > losing versus gaining STEM positions. The only
> > segment of the market beyond some limited, more
> > specific areas where there is any significant
> > shortage is at lower, semi-technical levels.
>
> First of all, moron, education in general is for
> tomorrow, not today. Second of all, a strong STEM
> foundation will be necessary over broad ranges of
> STEM and non-STEM careers in a future that you are
> too fucking deaf, dumb, and blind to envision.
> Nobody gives two fucks about what Facebook
> (seriously?) or Microsoft are doing to influence
> federal policy. It's irrelevant. This is about
> the world of FCPS, a world in which you rather
> plainly have no functional role to play at all.


You were the one citing demand for STEM-competent grads. That whole premise directly relates to what big players like the Facebooks, Microsofts, and others, do to influence policy. What they push in the way of immigration policy trees down to state and local government and education levels and becomes completely distorted in typical telephone-game fashion as some dire need for STEM-competent grads for jobs (allegedly) only possible to fill with immigrants now because of shortfalls in our education system. To a large extent that's not the case.

Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
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>
> > Gosh, then who pays for them if not us?
>
> The federal government, as had already been
> pointed out. Not really all that much on the
> uptake, are you.
>
> > So costs go up and no one pays more. That's
> impressive.
>
> No, it's perfectly ordinary. There is no
> connection between federal receipts and outlays.
> The federal government is not some large-scale
> version of your tiny little no-account household.
> The federal government plays by very different
> rules. Possibly you've never bothered to
> investigate here? That would explain your tabula
> rasa ignorance.
>


Thank you, kind sir, for sharing your wisdom.

I do have two questions. Why do we have a federal income tax? And why do we have a federal budget?

This isn't about STEM grads or anything like it.

It is politically-incorrect to point out that the dropout rate is off the charts for Hispanic/Latino studunets.

h3Gwn Wrote:
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> Except it's not at all free.

Fuck off, goober. Just how dumb do you think people are?

> And what's spent on those who shouldn't be here takes
> away from those who should.

Can't understand "free" and can't understand "universal" either? What the fuck DO you understand, you low-life goober moron?

> You were the one citing demand for STEM-competent grads.

Because STEM-competency is a basic requirement moving forward. Sort of like computer-literacy today. Once the exclusive province of geeks, facility with computers is now a basic requirement across the board. You really do have limited horizons, don't you.

> That whole premise directly relates to what big
> players like the Facebooks, Microsofts, and others,
> do to influence policy.

Only in the desperate. limited, and absurdly distorted minds of idiot goober dumbfucks. That would be YOU, by the way.

Hey fucking dipshit asscrack for brains liberal piece of shit fucking loser dumbfuck illegal lover fucking idiotic moronic loser liberal piece of crap

Bottom line

Illegals cost more money than what they give back

more illegals = more expenses = more taxes for people that actually pay for the stuff

Game Set match

oh and have a nice day

ding ding dong Wrote:
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> Thank you, kind sir, for sharing your wisdom.

Didn't understand it, did you?

> I do have two questions. Why do we have a federal
> income tax? And why do we have a federal budget?

Because of history. In the old days, money was tied to stocks of physical commodities -- salt, beads, gold, whatever. In that world, money itself behaves like a commodity and strict accountings of all inventories of it have to be maintained. Then along came some smarter people who realized that the value of money created within an economy was not tied to any single commodity, but to the value of all real goods and services produced within that economy. The value of the US dollar for instance is not derived from how much gold we have, but from the fact that we produce about 22% of all the real goods and services that are produced anywhere in the world. So long as there is transparency in GDP then, you can allow markets to determine the relative values of the currency and simply be done with the matter. In this world, it is not theoretically necessary to have an income tax. We could simply borrow everything. Borrowing and taxation are of course close relatives: each removes assets from the private sector which are then returned to it all but immediately via public sector spending. The net effects are the same, except that in one case, you carry public debt, and in the other case, you don't. Public debt is the trade-off for not having to pay any taxes. We could of course borrow more to repay that debt (which is what we actually do today anyway). In any case, it would be likely that a budget and related documents would be seen as desirable. Since it bears very little resemblance to a household budget, most people have a zero-level of comprehension with regard to the actual federal budget and budget process, but even in its current crippled state, it does generate large amounts of data that can be explored and mined for information that is very useful to the evaluation and development of public policy.

BlueinNoVA Wrote:
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> This isn't about STEM grads or anything like it.
> It is politically-incorrect to point out that the
> dropout rate is off the charts for Hispanic/Latino
> studunets.

If calculated in the same way, the dropout rate for children in active military families would be off the charts as well. These are transient populations. They move regularly.

wrong on so many levels Wrote:
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> Bottom line. Illegals cost more money than what they give back.

No, they don't. They contribute much more than you think they do, and they draw far fewer public services than you think they do. There isn't much serious debate about this anymore. Illegals are a net plus to the economy.

Gotta go. Working to put some influence on Capitol Hill types in the club at Nats Park today. You have a nice day too.

Racist goober assholes.

Only when one ignores the legal distinction. Of course, our resident asshole thinks that teen/20 something gang bangers = working source of taxes.

big dick player...

almost funny. Except the pathetic parts.

Found this in the comment section of a 2011 article about the changes in demographics in Washington DC:


Ward4DC
3/27/2011 3:59 PM EDT
I read all the comments on this article with interest and sadness. I am black and a native Washingtonian. I welcome any civic minded citizen/resident into our neighborhood. We're always had whites living in my neighborhood in Ward 4, along with black college educated professionals. Their numbers are increasing and I don't have a problem with that. I welcome educated whites into our neighborhood. What I don't like is seeing 'savages' moving into our neighborhood destroying it and not taking pride in their living surroundings. I belong to our local Civic Association and we have a mixture of blacks, whites, and few Latinos. One of my neighbors is white and Jewish. We came to know each other by getting involved on public safety and other quality of life issues in our neighborhood. Unfortunately, we have many of lower class Salvadorans/Central Americans that have moved into Ward 4 and they live like animals due their culture and up bringing back in El Salvador/Central America. Many live in overcrowded apartment buildings, urinate and defecate in public, throw trash and beer cans on the ground. We had enough native born Americans (blacks) living in the neighborhood that was helping to destroy it. We don't need to import poverty into the United States. The people I see walking through the neighborhood picking up trash off the streets, it's my white neighbors. Myself and my white Jewish neighbor have been trying to get others to take pride in our neighborhood by getting involve. We hope more young professional couples with children will move into our neighborhood in the future. I would rather see educated white U.S. citizens move into my neighborhood than to see the low life current 'savages' (MS-13 gangs) moving in. You don't have to have money or be wealthy to take pride in your neighborhood by keeping your surroundings clean. I have 12 more years to work before I can retire. Looking at what is happening in my neighborhood and country with the influx of illegal aliens, it's depressing. Guess what, illegals aren't going anywhere and their numbers will continue to increase and ghettoize the United States. I LOOK FORWARD TO MY DEATH!!!!!!


The article:


http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/black-dc-residents-plummet-barely-a-majority/2011/03/24/ABtIgJQB_story.html

Further Asshole Discoverys Wrote:
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> h3Gwn Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Except it's not at all free.
>
> Fuck off, goober. Just how dumb do you think
> people are?
>
> > And what's spent on those who shouldn't be here
> takes
> > away from those who should.
>
> Can't understand "free" and can't understand
> "universal" either? What the fuck DO you
> understand, you low-life goober moron?
>

Can't understand that it's not free to those paying for it and "universal" includes large numbers of illegals who shouldn't be here which significantly increases that cost? Even FCPS understands and, as PC as it tries to be about it, concedes that much.


> > You were the one citing demand for
> STEM-competent grads.
>
> Because STEM-competency is a basic requirement
> moving forward. Sort of like computer-literacy
> today. Once the exclusive province of geeks,
> facility with computers is now a basic requirement
> across the board. You really do have limited
> horizons, don't you.

Duh. Welcome to 20 years ago.

But that wasn't the point you were (weakly) attempting to make in citing demand for STEM-competent grads.


> > That whole premise directly relates to what big
> > players like the Facebooks, Microsofts, and
> others,
> > do to influence policy.
>
> Only in the desperate. limited, and absurdly
> distorted minds of idiot goober dumbfucks. That
> would be YOU, by the way.

And in the many statements by politicians and educators citing the same as evidence of and justification for immigration policy changes and educational requirements, resources, and spending to meet that need. Which, again, largely doesn't really exist as it's typically represented.

There are approximately 100,000 public schools in the US. So I can see how putting 40,000 new students in them (2 for every 5 schools) would really strain things.

Hyperbole much?

"There are approximately 100,000 public schools in the US. So I can see how putting 40,000 new students in them (2 for every 5 schools) would really strain things.

It doesn't work that way. These kids mostly end up in the same places together. When you put 600 kids, say in FCPS, that puts a serious strain on FCPS. These children require lots more services on average. ESOL, counseling, free lunch, not to mention health services and additional help from Fairfax County--and all systems are not as affluent as Fairfax. Thousands and thousands per child. You are naïve if you do not understand this.

It is interesting to see where these kids are going. Texas and Arizona have been screaming about this for years. With the current influx, it is affecting all states (it will be interesting to see if any get sent to states with vulnerable Democrats this year.) Lynn, MA, mayor is very upset about the drain on their system.

There are 196 schools in FCPS. I can image that 3 per school is just a tremendous burden.

Hyperbole much?

"There are 196 schools in FCPS. I can image that 3 per school is just a tremendous burden.

Hyperbole much?"

These kids don't end up in all 196 schools. Do you know anything about this? Really? Go to FCPS website and check out the FARMS of the elementary schools. Some schools have almost none--and some have very,very high percentages.
Do you know the cost of educating each child? These kids cost at least 15K per child--and that doesn't include all the special services they require. So, take 600 and multiply that by 15K. Do the math--it's not peanuts.

ps. Have you seen the trailers in FCPS--just where do you think we could put these kids. And, remember, we have more money than most school systems--and we cannot afford it.

Fuck the "illegal" Hispanics. Fuck the liberals that support " Illegal" Hispanics. jesus, what part of "illegal" do people not understand?

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> Fuck the "illegal" Hispanics. Fuck the liberals
> that support " Illegal" Hispanics. jesus, what
> part of "illegal" do people not understand?


The part where you're obsessed with the word. You ever speed? Did you know that speeding is illegal? Therefore, technically, you're...wait for it....wait for it....AN ILLEGAL!!!!

Further Assholes Dicoverys Wrote:
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> ding ding dong Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------

> > Thank you, kind sir, for sharing your wisdom.
>
> > I do have two questions. Why do we have a federal income tax? And why do we have a federal budget?
>
> Because of history. In the old days, money was
> tied to stocks of physical commodities -- salt,
> beads, gold, whatever. In that world, money
> itself behaves like a commodity and strict
> accountings of all inventories of it have to be
> maintained. Then along came some smarter people
> who realized that the value of money created
> within an economy was not tied to any single
> commodity, but to the value of all real goods and
> services produced within that economy. The value
> of the US dollar for instance is not derived from
> how much gold we have, but from the fact that we
> produce about 22% of all the real goods and
> services that are produced anywhere in the world.
> So long as there is transparency in GDP then, you
> can allow markets to determine the relative values
> of the currency and simply be done with the
> matter. In this world, it is not theoretically
> necessary to have an income tax. We could simply
> borrow everything. Borrowing and taxation are of
> course close relatives: each removes assets from
> the private sector which are then returned to it
> all but immediately via public sector spending.
> The net effects are the same, except that in one
> case, you carry public debt, and in the other
> case, you don't. Public debt is the trade-off for
> not having to pay any taxes. We could of course
> borrow more to repay that debt (which is what we
> actually do today anyway). In any case, it would
> be likely that a budget and related documents
> would be seen as desirable. Since it bears very
> little resemblance to a household budget, most
> people have a zero-level of comprehension with
> regard to the actual federal budget and budget
> process, but even in its current crippled state,
> it does generate large amounts of data that can be
> explored and mined for information that is very
> useful to the evaluation and development of public
> policy.

Thank you. Is there a word to describe your unique perspective on how this all works?

ding ding dong Wrote:
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>
> Thank you. Is there a word to describe your
> unique perspective on how this all works?


bullshit

The FY 2013 budget includes 741.3 new positions, most of which are being added to address enrollment growth—projected to be 181,608 students in FY 2013—and student demographic changes. (February 10, 2012)

http://www.fcps.edu/news/fy2013/bottomline/bottomline021012.html

I don't know what new positions cost in FCPS but if they were added to handle the student growth and the growth was because of or impacted by demographic changes as their newsletter says, then the additional jobs were needed to handle a lot of students with high needs.

Figure a wild guess estimate of only $50,000 per job that would be $37,050,000 by their own account because of "enrollment growth and student demographic changes." for just one year.

That was two budget cycles ago and it sounds like it is just getting worst.

Any good stat's now? Have our ESOL costs gone up? Are we paying for more teacher's assistants? What %'s are we really talking about at a county level?

FY 2013 is above

Most of the additional money being requested by the school board is due to "enrollment growth and student demographic changes."

FY 2014

http://commweb.fcps.edu/newsreleases/newsrelease.cfm?newsid=2281

The FY 2014 Approved Budget includes $21.7 million to address student membership growth and changes in student demographics

FY 2015

http://commweb.fcps.edu/newsreleases/newsrelease.cfm?newsid=2543

FCPS is projecting an increase of 2,160 students that, combined with changing student demographics, translates to an additional cost of $19.5 million.

The other thing you have to realize is none of these new positions are one time costs. These positions all increase health insurance costs, pay and step increase costs, and retirement costs.

Also to pay for these new services existing services and positions are being cut. The quality of service for people in the "have areas" has been decreasing to pay for higher service levels in the "have not areas"

ESOL % increase is elsewhere in this thread

ding ding dong Wrote:
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> Thank you. Is there a word to describe your
> unique perspective on how this all works?

Educated. And the perspective is hardly unique. You might be thoroughly unschooled in finance and economics, but not everyone is.

Yes Wrote:
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> bullshit

When was the last time you successfully made change for a dollar? Stupid asshole fucktard doesn't have the first clue of where to go look for the first clue.

Forestvale78 Wrote:
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> That was two budget cycles ago and it sounds like
> it is just getting worst.

More than 700 positions were cut in the current cycle. Class sizes were increased again and pay increases were delayed again. Way to keep up, asshole.