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Ideas for Halting the Collapse of FCPS?
Posted by:
Improving FCPS
()
Date: July 12, 2014 06:16AM
Please offer solutions for halting the collapse of FCPS
Re: Ideas for Halting the Collapse of FCPS?
Posted by:
hCePU
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Date: July 12, 2014 06:37AM
Improving FCPS Wrote:
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> Please offer solutions for halting the collapse of
> FCPS
Please take your medication. Test scores are higher then ever. Please offer solutions for the morons postings here.
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> Please offer solutions for halting the collapse of
> FCPS
Please take your medication. Test scores are higher then ever. Please offer solutions for the morons postings here.
Re: Ideas for Halting the Collapse of FCPS?
Posted by:
Pair-rent
()
Date: July 12, 2014 09:37AM
hCePU Wrote:
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> Improving FCPS Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Please offer solutions for halting the collapse
> of
> > FCPS
>
>
> Please take your medication. Test scores are
> higher then ever. Please offer solutions for the
> morons postings here.
So the education establishment can narrowly define success (SOL scores), focus all educational time on meeting that narrow definition of success, and then proclaim that they are doing a great job.
It would be like if a little league coach said I'm going to measure my kids' performance by how well they throw, practice nothing but throwing, and then proclaim them terrific baseball players because they throw well, regardless of how they hit, how they field, and how they do in games.
I'm very, very familiar with FCPS. The schools are not performing well, regardless of how the students do checking boxes to questions that they have seen over and over again in the classroom over the previous months.Some teachers are obviously terrific, but the classroom experience is stultifying under the SOL regime. Students overwhelmingly view their classes as something to suffer until they move on to the next thing.
Would anyone really argue that student learning is better in FCPs in 2014 vs. 1984? That would be delusional.
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> Improving FCPS Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Please offer solutions for halting the collapse
> of
> > FCPS
>
>
> Please take your medication. Test scores are
> higher then ever. Please offer solutions for the
> morons postings here.
So the education establishment can narrowly define success (SOL scores), focus all educational time on meeting that narrow definition of success, and then proclaim that they are doing a great job.
It would be like if a little league coach said I'm going to measure my kids' performance by how well they throw, practice nothing but throwing, and then proclaim them terrific baseball players because they throw well, regardless of how they hit, how they field, and how they do in games.
I'm very, very familiar with FCPS. The schools are not performing well, regardless of how the students do checking boxes to questions that they have seen over and over again in the classroom over the previous months.Some teachers are obviously terrific, but the classroom experience is stultifying under the SOL regime. Students overwhelmingly view their classes as something to suffer until they move on to the next thing.
Would anyone really argue that student learning is better in FCPs in 2014 vs. 1984? That would be delusional.
Re: Ideas for Halting the Collapse of FCPS?
Posted by:
Cliftonion
()
Date: July 12, 2014 10:02AM
Reopen Clifton Elementary.
Re: Ideas for Halting the Collapse of FCPS?
Posted by:
notreally
()
Date: July 12, 2014 10:04AM
2014 and 1984? You are delusional.
2014 - all are expected to graduate and go to college.
2014 - more than 90% do graduate and most go to college
1984 - about 75% graduate and less than half to to college
2014 - classes are inclusive, both class, race, language, and academic achievement
2014 - all students are expected to learn the same high level
1984 - classes are exclusive, with kids put in inflexible cohorts
1984 - history has shown that those tracks were unfairly biased
2014 - students are expected to reach post calculus math by their senior year
2014 - students are expected to write well researched, well written, multipage essays by their senior year
2014 - students are expected to analyze history from multiple perspectives
2014 - students are expected to master multiple forms of technology on the fly
1984 - calculus is not even offered at most schools
1984 - writing is rote except for the college tracked
1984 - history is taught from a single perspective
1984 - technology is only for the college track
I could go on, but you are obviously uniformed about schools in 1984 or 2014.
2014 - all are expected to graduate and go to college.
2014 - more than 90% do graduate and most go to college
1984 - about 75% graduate and less than half to to college
2014 - classes are inclusive, both class, race, language, and academic achievement
2014 - all students are expected to learn the same high level
1984 - classes are exclusive, with kids put in inflexible cohorts
1984 - history has shown that those tracks were unfairly biased
2014 - students are expected to reach post calculus math by their senior year
2014 - students are expected to write well researched, well written, multipage essays by their senior year
2014 - students are expected to analyze history from multiple perspectives
2014 - students are expected to master multiple forms of technology on the fly
1984 - calculus is not even offered at most schools
1984 - writing is rote except for the college tracked
1984 - history is taught from a single perspective
1984 - technology is only for the college track
I could go on, but you are obviously uniformed about schools in 1984 or 2014.
Re: Ideas for Halting the Collapse of FCPS?
Posted by:
tadel
()
Date: July 12, 2014 10:20AM
notreally Wrote:
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> 2014 and 1984? You are delusional.
>
>
> 2014 - all are expected to graduate and go to
> college.
> 2014 - more than 90% do graduate and most go to
> college
>
> 1984 - about 75% graduate and less than half to to
> college
>
>
>
> 2014 - classes are inclusive, both class, race,
> language, and academic achievement
> 2014 - all students are expected to learn the same
> high level
>
> 1984 - classes are exclusive, with kids put in
> inflexible cohorts
> 1984 - history has shown that those tracks were
> unfairly biased
>
>
>
> 2014 - students are expected to reach post
> calculus math by their senior year
> 2014 - students are expected to write well
> researched, well written, multipage essays by
> their senior year
> 2014 - students are expected to analyze history
> from multiple perspectives
> 2014 - students are expected to master multiple
> forms of technology on the fly
>
> 1984 - calculus is not even offered at most
> schools
> 1984 - writing is rote except for the college
> tracked
> 1984 - history is taught from a single
> perspective
> 1984 - technology is only for the college track
>
>
>
> I could go on, but you are obviously uniformed
> about schools in 1984 or 2014.
In 84 we didn't have to put up with so much politically correct garbage.
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> 2014 and 1984? You are delusional.
>
>
> 2014 - all are expected to graduate and go to
> college.
> 2014 - more than 90% do graduate and most go to
> college
>
> 1984 - about 75% graduate and less than half to to
> college
>
>
>
> 2014 - classes are inclusive, both class, race,
> language, and academic achievement
> 2014 - all students are expected to learn the same
> high level
>
> 1984 - classes are exclusive, with kids put in
> inflexible cohorts
> 1984 - history has shown that those tracks were
> unfairly biased
>
>
>
> 2014 - students are expected to reach post
> calculus math by their senior year
> 2014 - students are expected to write well
> researched, well written, multipage essays by
> their senior year
> 2014 - students are expected to analyze history
> from multiple perspectives
> 2014 - students are expected to master multiple
> forms of technology on the fly
>
> 1984 - calculus is not even offered at most
> schools
> 1984 - writing is rote except for the college
> tracked
> 1984 - history is taught from a single
> perspective
> 1984 - technology is only for the college track
>
>
>
> I could go on, but you are obviously uniformed
> about schools in 1984 or 2014.
In 84 we didn't have to put up with so much politically correct garbage.
Re: Ideas for Halting the Collapse of FCPS?
Posted by:
JI*(*&^%
()
Date: July 12, 2014 10:29AM
Nothing is going to be perfect. Even if you put your kids in private school, you will have issues.
You are covering a massive spread in IQ, language skills, etc. in this county. No, every child isn't going to be able to handle 5 AP's in senior year. Get over it. A child with an IQ of 140 will learn very differently than a child with an IQ of 100, which is average, by the way. It isn't appropriate to expect a child with an IQ of 140 to sit there doing nothing because the classes are all geared for an IQ of 100 because that is the average and we are all the same. You don't put kids with an IQ of 80 in AP courses. That is reality. We aren't all the same. You want every child to achieve what they can, but not everybody is going to be able to enter college in a sophomore standing. There are lots and lots of jobs for industrial/automotive/trades people. There is nothing wrong with that- it suits many people better. You don't have to push all children into white collar professional jobs.
There has always been a spread. The language problems have greatly intensified, sucking dollars in that direction.
I don't think this school system is collapsing. They don't manage their money very efficiently. They aren't grounded in what you have to do when things get tight and you have to analyze every dollar. They grew accustomed to the years of spend, spend, spend, which included lavish trips for staff and lots of disposable income to blow on fancy and unrealistic stuff.
You are covering a massive spread in IQ, language skills, etc. in this county. No, every child isn't going to be able to handle 5 AP's in senior year. Get over it. A child with an IQ of 140 will learn very differently than a child with an IQ of 100, which is average, by the way. It isn't appropriate to expect a child with an IQ of 140 to sit there doing nothing because the classes are all geared for an IQ of 100 because that is the average and we are all the same. You don't put kids with an IQ of 80 in AP courses. That is reality. We aren't all the same. You want every child to achieve what they can, but not everybody is going to be able to enter college in a sophomore standing. There are lots and lots of jobs for industrial/automotive/trades people. There is nothing wrong with that- it suits many people better. You don't have to push all children into white collar professional jobs.
There has always been a spread. The language problems have greatly intensified, sucking dollars in that direction.
I don't think this school system is collapsing. They don't manage their money very efficiently. They aren't grounded in what you have to do when things get tight and you have to analyze every dollar. They grew accustomed to the years of spend, spend, spend, which included lavish trips for staff and lots of disposable income to blow on fancy and unrealistic stuff.
Re: Ideas for Halting the Collapse of FCPS?
Posted by:
Lube Express
()
Date: July 12, 2014 10:56AM
Or go into Education. The students with the lowest average IQs are graduating with Ed. majors. Many of these possess IQs in the 90s.
http://www.therichest.com/rich-list/the-biggest/10-college-subjects-with-the-lowest-average-iqs/
http://www.therichest.com/rich-list/the-biggest/10-college-subjects-with-the-lowest-average-iqs/
Re: Ideas for Halting the Collapse of FCPS?
Posted by:
notreally
()
Date: July 12, 2014 11:03AM
Politically Correct according to the dictionary:
"conforming to a belief that language and practices which could offend political sensibilities (as in matters of sex or race) should be eliminated"
What is bullshit is a belief that your culture, ideas, race, gender, class or whatever is superior and using institutions enforce those beliefs. A cry against "political correctness" is coming from oppressors trying to silence the oppressed., i.e. trying to justify an unfair and unbalanced system.
"conforming to a belief that language and practices which could offend political sensibilities (as in matters of sex or race) should be eliminated"
What is bullshit is a belief that your culture, ideas, race, gender, class or whatever is superior and using institutions enforce those beliefs. A cry against "political correctness" is coming from oppressors trying to silence the oppressed., i.e. trying to justify an unfair and unbalanced system.
Re: Ideas for Halting the Collapse of FCPS?
Posted by:
MeToo
()
Date: July 12, 2014 11:08AM
Nice.
Someone who gets thier info from the richest. Read the study fool, major sample of methods problems. Thats why it was published at StatisticsBrain.com and not by someone who was going to look at thier research.
BTW, SOL test are a bad measure of achievement but IQ tests are a good measure?
Nice.
Someone who gets thier info from the richest. Read the study fool, major sample of methods problems. Thats why it was published at StatisticsBrain.com and not by someone who was going to look at thier research.
BTW, SOL test are a bad measure of achievement but IQ tests are a good measure?
Nice.
Re: Ideas for Halting the Collapse of FCPS?
Posted by:
psych101
()
Date: July 12, 2014 11:10AM
IQ tests don't measure achievement. They measure how your brain functions.
Re: Ideas for Halting the Collapse of FCPS?
Posted by:
Jl*)(*7
()
Date: July 12, 2014 11:22AM
and you can have a custodian with an iq of 140 and a teacher with an iq of 110. What happens with your life is a complex interaction of factors.
Re: Ideas for Halting the Collapse of FCPS?
Posted by:
EkpJM
()
Date: July 12, 2014 12:44PM
Lube Express Wrote:
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> Or go into Education. The students with the
> lowest average IQs are graduating with Ed. majors.
> Many of these possess IQs in the 90s.
>
> http://www.therichest.com/rich-list/the-biggest/10
> -college-subjects-with-the-lowest-average-iqs/
Those with low IQs become TeaParty candidate and members. Palin's IQ is about 70 and Joe the Unlicensed Plumbers is even lower.
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> Or go into Education. The students with the
> lowest average IQs are graduating with Ed. majors.
> Many of these possess IQs in the 90s.
>
> http://www.therichest.com/rich-list/the-biggest/10
> -college-subjects-with-the-lowest-average-iqs/
Those with low IQs become TeaParty candidate and members. Palin's IQ is about 70 and Joe the Unlicensed Plumbers is even lower.
Re: Ideas for Halting the Collapse of FCPS?
Posted by:
the treason of turf
()
Date: July 12, 2014 12:46PM
Stop wasting money on things like turf fields. Get the kids out of the trailers and get them some science books.
Less than 1/3 of the kids play on the turf fields. All kids can benefit from proper classrooms and textbooks. The school board is out of touch and Ryan McElveen is dangerous, accepting prom dates and who knows what else.
Less than 1/3 of the kids play on the turf fields. All kids can benefit from proper classrooms and textbooks. The school board is out of touch and Ryan McElveen is dangerous, accepting prom dates and who knows what else.
Re: Ideas for Halting the Collapse of FCPS?
Posted by:
Guvvie Renker
()
Date: July 12, 2014 12:50PM
It doesn't really matter. Most are targeting government jobs here. How much brains do you need if you have one Islamic counterterrorism expert in this country for every 10 Muslims? You just make up the crimes and fabricate the other threats. As long as you have a complicit Congress and press, you can keep stealing the taxpayer blind for decades.
Re: Ideas for Halting the Collapse of FCPS?
Posted by:
Education vs Wisdom
()
Date: July 12, 2014 01:20PM
notreally Wrote:
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> What is bullshit is a belief that your culture,
> ideas, race, gender, class or whatever is superior
> and using institutions enforce those beliefs.
How do you explain all the believing people people risking their lives to live here? Something about America must be superior, exceptional in fact. Not utopia, just better than most alternatives.
FCPS is collapsing in part because of idiots like you who have landed in a position where they can implement policies based on these ill-advised beliefs. If you don't understand American exceptionalism then you are doomed to lose it.
How to fix it? BoS could follow the lead of PW county and encourage the criminals and leeches to move elsewhere. That would lessen the steady increase in class sizes and free up resources for academics.
An independent auditor reporting to the school board would also help.
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> What is bullshit is a belief that your culture,
> ideas, race, gender, class or whatever is superior
> and using institutions enforce those beliefs.
How do you explain all the believing people people risking their lives to live here? Something about America must be superior, exceptional in fact. Not utopia, just better than most alternatives.
FCPS is collapsing in part because of idiots like you who have landed in a position where they can implement policies based on these ill-advised beliefs. If you don't understand American exceptionalism then you are doomed to lose it.
How to fix it? BoS could follow the lead of PW county and encourage the criminals and leeches to move elsewhere. That would lessen the steady increase in class sizes and free up resources for academics.
An independent auditor reporting to the school board would also help.
Re: Ideas for Halting the Collapse of FCPS?
Posted by:
ejdcu
()
Date: July 12, 2014 01:26PM
Send them home.
Problem solved.
/thread
Problem solved.
/thread
Re: Ideas for Halting the Collapse of FCPS?
Posted by:
WhatNow
()
Date: July 12, 2014 03:24PM
First we are looking to 1984 for ideas and now we are looking to Prince William County? PW County is hurting because of those laws.
Economically - lower tax base, less investment, social services still rising
Crime - up overall, both violent crime and property crime
Test scores - down, more schools being sanctioned by the state
No Thank You.
Economically - lower tax base, less investment, social services still rising
Crime - up overall, both violent crime and property crime
Test scores - down, more schools being sanctioned by the state
No Thank You.
Re: Ideas for Halting the Collapse of FCPS?
Posted by:
thoughts
()
Date: July 12, 2014 06:22PM
Ideas:
FCPS needs to advocate for the elimination of high stakes testing below the 7th grade (at a minimum). This will help attract teachers who enjoy teaching and using their creativity to solve problems and help students become excited about learning (which is what elementary school should be about). They need to stop having meetings about crunching data (it's a MAJOR turn off for the best teachers and just gives the worst teachers an excuse to be, well, bad teachers).
FCPS needs to do whatever it can to attract high quality teachers. Why do they have ANY provisionally certified teachers if they have so many applicants for each position (and these people do exist in the system)???
FCPS needs to eliminate "specialists", "coaches", etc. who have no skin in the game as far as students go. These people are only accountable to the people who hired them and those people have a stake in their jobs continuing (so that they have someone to "boss"). This has created a ridiculous number of steps in the bureaucratic ladder to the point that those at the top have no fricking idea what is going on in schools. The teachers feel totally powerless and the new evaluation system is making them feel even worse. How are the administrators going to be evaluated? Will the teachers have any stake in that? If the student test scores are part of teacher evaluations, it seems that the teachers scores should impact on their administrators (if the teachers are low performers, who is to blame for that?).
The person above who said that students all take calculus and high powered AP classes is not correct. FCPS has plenty of "average" students. The students who are high powered are not the result of the great teaching, but are the result of the high percentage of educated parents who live in this area (and who have high expectations and push their own children). It is also not true that all of the students who graduate here go on to college or finish college (we need some statistics regarding that). Also, expecting everyone to go to college may not be realistic and we may in fact be hurting some students who could get started on a vocational track and be happier people. We have some unhappy campers in our schools . . . shouldn't education be something enjoyable and useful and shouldn't it offer choices since we are not all the same?
FCPS needs to advocate for the elimination of high stakes testing below the 7th grade (at a minimum). This will help attract teachers who enjoy teaching and using their creativity to solve problems and help students become excited about learning (which is what elementary school should be about). They need to stop having meetings about crunching data (it's a MAJOR turn off for the best teachers and just gives the worst teachers an excuse to be, well, bad teachers).
FCPS needs to do whatever it can to attract high quality teachers. Why do they have ANY provisionally certified teachers if they have so many applicants for each position (and these people do exist in the system)???
FCPS needs to eliminate "specialists", "coaches", etc. who have no skin in the game as far as students go. These people are only accountable to the people who hired them and those people have a stake in their jobs continuing (so that they have someone to "boss"). This has created a ridiculous number of steps in the bureaucratic ladder to the point that those at the top have no fricking idea what is going on in schools. The teachers feel totally powerless and the new evaluation system is making them feel even worse. How are the administrators going to be evaluated? Will the teachers have any stake in that? If the student test scores are part of teacher evaluations, it seems that the teachers scores should impact on their administrators (if the teachers are low performers, who is to blame for that?).
The person above who said that students all take calculus and high powered AP classes is not correct. FCPS has plenty of "average" students. The students who are high powered are not the result of the great teaching, but are the result of the high percentage of educated parents who live in this area (and who have high expectations and push their own children). It is also not true that all of the students who graduate here go on to college or finish college (we need some statistics regarding that). Also, expecting everyone to go to college may not be realistic and we may in fact be hurting some students who could get started on a vocational track and be happier people. We have some unhappy campers in our schools . . . shouldn't education be something enjoyable and useful and shouldn't it offer choices since we are not all the same?
Re: Ideas for Halting the Collapse of FCPS?
Posted by:
truthful
()
Date: July 12, 2014 06:30PM
Some people in vocations are happy AND making good livings. Is there anything wrong with that? We should applaud those people. They are valuable members of our communities. Where would we be without water and sewage systems, HVAC, electricity, etc., etc.?
Re: Ideas for Halting the Collapse of FCPS?
Posted by:
Face the facts
()
Date: July 12, 2014 07:24PM
The school system is fine. What's fucked up is the asshole right-wing that complains about it.
Re: Ideas for Halting the Collapse of FCPS?
Posted by:
ESOL drop out
()
Date: July 12, 2014 07:41PM
1984. English language Learners could take classes and graduate from high school
2003 - SOL requirements. ESOL students drop out of school if the are not passing classes and SOL requirements
2014- not showing rate of student drop outs, FCPS says 90 percent head to college
2003 - SOL requirements. ESOL students drop out of school if the are not passing classes and SOL requirements
2014- not showing rate of student drop outs, FCPS says 90 percent head to college
Re: Ideas for Halting the Collapse of FCPS?
Posted by:
Truth.Teller
()
Date: July 12, 2014 08:14PM
Just because more people are graduating and going to college doesn't mean a system is more successful. There are a lot of morons going to college today. A lot of morons.
Also, how DARE history be taught from a factual perspective! We need to "celebrate" diversity by talking about important people like Crispus Attucks and William Dawes, the two most important figures of the American Revolution!
Also, how DARE history be taught from a factual perspective! We need to "celebrate" diversity by talking about important people like Crispus Attucks and William Dawes, the two most important figures of the American Revolution!
Re: Ideas for Halting the Collapse of FCPS?
Posted by:
eIester
()
Date: July 12, 2014 08:31PM
"2014 - all students are expected to learn the same high level"
So they added SOL tests, made the grading scale easier for everyone to get 3.5 to 4.0, and changed the scales for SATs to eliminate what had been a 20+ year decline in test scores.
So they added SOL tests, made the grading scale easier for everyone to get 3.5 to 4.0, and changed the scales for SATs to eliminate what had been a 20+ year decline in test scores.
Re: Ideas for Halting the Collapse of FCPS?
Posted by:
it's different
()
Date: July 12, 2014 09:36PM
Depth is the main difference between 1984 and 2014. I think that there are more course offerings now, but less depth.
Re: Ideas for Halting the Collapse of FCPS?
Posted by:
johnny ringo
()
Date: July 12, 2014 09:54PM
More achievement gaps.
Re: Ideas for Halting the Collapse of FCPS?
Posted by:
Positivity
()
Date: July 12, 2014 10:28PM
Keep adding the positive ideas and comments.
Re: Ideas for Halting the Collapse of FCPS?
Posted by:
Face the facts
()
Date: July 12, 2014 11:14PM
Positivity Wrote:
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> Keep adding the positive ideas and comments.
There haven't been any of those. Pretty much just some foolish goobers and simpletons mumbling the usual nonsense.
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> Keep adding the positive ideas and comments.
There haven't been any of those. Pretty much just some foolish goobers and simpletons mumbling the usual nonsense.
Re: Ideas for Halting the Collapse of FCPS?
Posted by:
asdifawieuyr
()
Date: July 12, 2014 11:20PM
truthful Wrote:
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> Some people in vocations are happy AND making good
> livings. Is there anything wrong with that? We
> should applaud those people. They are valuable
> members of our communities. Where would we be
> without water and sewage systems, HVAC,
> electricity, etc., etc.?
+1000000000
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> Some people in vocations are happy AND making good
> livings. Is there anything wrong with that? We
> should applaud those people. They are valuable
> members of our communities. Where would we be
> without water and sewage systems, HVAC,
> electricity, etc., etc.?
+1000000000
Re: Ideas for Halting the Collapse of FCPS?
Posted by:
MarkMcW
()
Date: July 13, 2014 01:05AM
Kids generally do succeed in FCPS, but many because parents make up for any shortcomings or because Fairfax has nearly the most educated parents in the country.
The problems in FCPS are from failed policy making by the School Board representatives that have been in office for a decade or more. They do the bare minimum to get re-elected and, worse, don't ask difficult questions or demand accountability in responses they do get.
Someone above in this thread mentioned an auditor, which is of course needed. How's that even still a question? Save a few supporters, most of the representatives have fought that too.
Greatest offenders
Jane Strauss 21 years on School Board
Ilryong Moon 14 years on School Board
Kathy Smith 12 years on School Board
Things which didn't happen which should have or that did happen which shouldn't have are a result of these painfully long runs. The big issues trace back years when all were in office.
The sidekick junior offenders are Ryan McElveen and Ted Velkoff because they are just a package deal with Moon and Smith.
The problems in FCPS are from failed policy making by the School Board representatives that have been in office for a decade or more. They do the bare minimum to get re-elected and, worse, don't ask difficult questions or demand accountability in responses they do get.
Someone above in this thread mentioned an auditor, which is of course needed. How's that even still a question? Save a few supporters, most of the representatives have fought that too.
Greatest offenders
Jane Strauss 21 years on School Board
Ilryong Moon 14 years on School Board
Kathy Smith 12 years on School Board
Things which didn't happen which should have or that did happen which shouldn't have are a result of these painfully long runs. The big issues trace back years when all were in office.
The sidekick junior offenders are Ryan McElveen and Ted Velkoff because they are just a package deal with Moon and Smith.
Re: Ideas for Halting the Collapse of FCPS?
Posted by:
teach
()
Date: July 13, 2014 01:12AM
try teaching basics
hire mature teachers who are past their own glory days
hire teachers who don't perpetuate clicks
hire at least one intelligent administrator at each school
update the websites when schools move to online communication
tell the parents that they moved to online communication, especially important with an influx of immigrants
get rid of the school board
hire mature teachers who are past their own glory days
hire teachers who don't perpetuate clicks
hire at least one intelligent administrator at each school
update the websites when schools move to online communication
tell the parents that they moved to online communication, especially important with an influx of immigrants
get rid of the school board
Re: Ideas for Halting the Collapse of FCPS?
Posted by:
MarkMcW
()
Date: July 13, 2014 01:21AM
teach Wrote:
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> try teaching basics
>
> hire mature teachers who are past their own glory
> days
>
> hire teachers who don't perpetuate clicks
>
> hire at least one intelligent administrator at
> each school
>
> update the websites when schools move to online
> communication
>
> tell the parents that they moved to online
> communication, especially important with an influx
> of immigrants
>
> get rid of the school board
^Sounds like it is from an actual teacher and is excellent starting place. Though the last one seems great, it is probably illegal. There probably have to be School Board representatives by some law or regulation.
Better for Fairfax County residents to refuse to keep electing people who are into their second decade or even third decade of office.
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> try teaching basics
>
> hire mature teachers who are past their own glory
> days
>
> hire teachers who don't perpetuate clicks
>
> hire at least one intelligent administrator at
> each school
>
> update the websites when schools move to online
> communication
>
> tell the parents that they moved to online
> communication, especially important with an influx
> of immigrants
>
> get rid of the school board
^Sounds like it is from an actual teacher and is excellent starting place. Though the last one seems great, it is probably illegal. There probably have to be School Board representatives by some law or regulation.
Better for Fairfax County residents to refuse to keep electing people who are into their second decade or even third decade of office.
Re: Ideas for Halting the Collapse of FCPS?
Posted by:
Liberal Lies Easily Outed
()
Date: July 13, 2014 01:55AM
WhatNow Wrote:
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> First we are looking to 1984 for ideas and now we
> are looking to Prince William County? PW County
> is hurting because of those laws.
>
> Economically - lower tax base, less investment,
> social services still rising
> Crime - up overall, both violent crime and
> property crime
> Test scores - down, more schools being sanctioned
> by the state
>
YOU LIED!
http://www.pwcgov.org/government/dept/police/Documents/2013%20Crime%20Report.pdf
PW County did not send away Hispanics, just the criminal illegals.
Violent crime is so low in PW County that an incident or two each year can skew the reporting. See for yourself. 3 murders one year followed by 6 the next is a 200% increase, but also an anomaly.
Get your facts straight.
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> First we are looking to 1984 for ideas and now we
> are looking to Prince William County? PW County
> is hurting because of those laws.
>
> Economically - lower tax base, less investment,
> social services still rising
> Crime - up overall, both violent crime and
> property crime
> Test scores - down, more schools being sanctioned
> by the state
>
YOU LIED!
http://www.pwcgov.org/government/dept/police/Documents/2013%20Crime%20Report.pdf
PW County did not send away Hispanics, just the criminal illegals.
Violent crime is so low in PW County that an incident or two each year can skew the reporting. See for yourself. 3 murders one year followed by 6 the next is a 200% increase, but also an anomaly.
Get your facts straight.
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Re: Ideas for Halting the Collapse of FCPS?
Posted by:
True The Vote !
()
Date: July 13, 2014 02:16AM
Liberal Lies Easily Outed Wrote:
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> WhatNow Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > First we are looking to 1984 for ideas and now
> we
> > are looking to Prince William County? PW
> County
> > is hurting because of those laws.
> >
> > Economically - lower tax base, less investment,
> > social services still rising
> > Crime - up overall, both violent crime and
> > property crime
> > Test scores - down, more schools being
> sanctioned
> > by the state
> >
>
>
> YOU LIED!
>
> http://www.pwcgov.org/government/dept/police/Docum
> ents/2013%20Crime%20Report.pdf
>
> PW County did not send away Hispanics, just the
> criminal illegals.
>
> Violent crime is so low in PW County that an
> incident or two each year can skew the reporting.
> See for yourself. 3 murders one year followed by
> 6 the next is a 200% increase, but also an
> anomaly.
>
> Get your facts straight.
PER THOUSAND RESIDENTS
got math?
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> WhatNow Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > First we are looking to 1984 for ideas and now
> we
> > are looking to Prince William County? PW
> County
> > is hurting because of those laws.
> >
> > Economically - lower tax base, less investment,
> > social services still rising
> > Crime - up overall, both violent crime and
> > property crime
> > Test scores - down, more schools being
> sanctioned
> > by the state
> >
>
>
> YOU LIED!
>
> http://www.pwcgov.org/government/dept/police/Docum
> ents/2013%20Crime%20Report.pdf
>
> PW County did not send away Hispanics, just the
> criminal illegals.
>
> Violent crime is so low in PW County that an
> incident or two each year can skew the reporting.
> See for yourself. 3 murders one year followed by
> 6 the next is a 200% increase, but also an
> anomaly.
>
> Get your facts straight.
PER THOUSAND RESIDENTS
got math?
Re: Ideas for Halting the Collapse of FCPS?
Posted by:
True Dat
()
Date: July 13, 2014 02:36AM
True The Vote ! Wrote:
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> Liberal Lies Easily Outed Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > WhatNow Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > First we are looking to 1984 for ideas and
> now
> > we
> > > are looking to Prince William County? PW
> > County
> > > is hurting because of those laws.
> > >
> > > Economically - lower tax base, less
> investment,
> > > social services still rising
> > > Crime - up overall, both violent crime and
> > > property crime
> > > Test scores - down, more schools being
> > sanctioned
> > > by the state
> > >
> >
> >
> > YOU LIED!
> >
> >
> http://www.pwcgov.org/government/dept/police/Docum
>
> > ents/2013%20Crime%20Report.pdf
> >
> > PW County did not send away Hispanics, just the
> > criminal illegals.
> >
> > Violent crime is so low in PW County that an
> > incident or two each year can skew the
> reporting.
> > See for yourself. 3 murders one year followed
> by
> > 6 the next is a 200% increase, but also an
> > anomaly.
> >
> > Get your facts straight.
>
>
> PER THOUSAND RESIDENTS
>
> got math?
+1MILLION - "got math?" AWESOME!
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> Liberal Lies Easily Outed Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > WhatNow Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > First we are looking to 1984 for ideas and
> now
> > we
> > > are looking to Prince William County? PW
> > County
> > > is hurting because of those laws.
> > >
> > > Economically - lower tax base, less
> investment,
> > > social services still rising
> > > Crime - up overall, both violent crime and
> > > property crime
> > > Test scores - down, more schools being
> > sanctioned
> > > by the state
> > >
> >
> >
> > YOU LIED!
> >
> >
> http://www.pwcgov.org/government/dept/police/Docum
>
> > ents/2013%20Crime%20Report.pdf
> >
> > PW County did not send away Hispanics, just the
> > criminal illegals.
> >
> > Violent crime is so low in PW County that an
> > incident or two each year can skew the
> reporting.
> > See for yourself. 3 murders one year followed
> by
> > 6 the next is a 200% increase, but also an
> > anomaly.
> >
> > Get your facts straight.
>
>
> PER THOUSAND RESIDENTS
>
> got math?
+1MILLION - "got math?" AWESOME!
Re: Ideas for Halting the Collapse of FCPS?
Posted by:
mandatory SB
()
Date: July 13, 2014 06:24AM
The School Board is required by law because the people are supposed to be running the school system so they are our elected representatives to do that.
They need to kick some major butt. They don't. They are wimps. Spineless jellyfish.
The election process is a problem because they want votes so they will try to do what the majority of voters want even if it is not the right thing to do for running a business, etc.
They need to kick some major butt. They don't. They are wimps. Spineless jellyfish.
The election process is a problem because they want votes so they will try to do what the majority of voters want even if it is not the right thing to do for running a business, etc.
Re: Ideas for Halting the Collapse of FCPS?
Posted by:
FCPS School Improvement
()
Date: July 13, 2014 07:19AM
Elect a School Board that will cut administration and put more tax dollars in the classrooms
Jettison SOL Testing and teaching to the test and go back to (really) teaching writing and critical thinking
Treat students as people who are developing to whole adults, not automatons who fill in circles with letters next to them.
Address the boys crisis: bring physical activity back into the daily routine, have more project-based learning. Does anyone really think it better to have students completing worksheets than doing projects together?
Allow the firing of teachers: numerous applicants are available for every vacancy. Why do we have parents pressing the schools to avoid teachers that everyone knows are not effective?
Take students' education seriously. Eliminate the excessive number of days off. Did students have any continuity to their school year? It was a rough winter, but not exceptional. Why did students spend so many days home December-April? Why did they spend the last week or so of school doing absolutely nothing, in an exercise in futility that really revealed the moral bankruptcy of the system?
Jettison SOL Testing and teaching to the test and go back to (really) teaching writing and critical thinking
Treat students as people who are developing to whole adults, not automatons who fill in circles with letters next to them.
Address the boys crisis: bring physical activity back into the daily routine, have more project-based learning. Does anyone really think it better to have students completing worksheets than doing projects together?
Allow the firing of teachers: numerous applicants are available for every vacancy. Why do we have parents pressing the schools to avoid teachers that everyone knows are not effective?
Take students' education seriously. Eliminate the excessive number of days off. Did students have any continuity to their school year? It was a rough winter, but not exceptional. Why did students spend so many days home December-April? Why did they spend the last week or so of school doing absolutely nothing, in an exercise in futility that really revealed the moral bankruptcy of the system?
Re: Ideas for Halting the Collapse of FCPS?
Posted by:
Go good ideas!
()
Date: July 13, 2014 09:26AM
^Yes, the moral bankruptcy of the system. Maybe the totally useless snow days have actually helped to open people's eyes to what is really going on. Hopefully we can implement some of our ideas!
Re: Ideas for Halting the Collapse of FCPS?
Posted by:
a couple serious ideas
()
Date: July 13, 2014 09:57AM
Cut 50% of gatehouse will never realize they are gone
Take a serious look at any program that goes above any beyond what a basic school does. Keep the arts and sports everything else beyond reading writing and arithmetic should be on the chopping block. All this dual language immersion and Gifted and Talent crap or whatever the heck it is called needs to go. Thats millions of savings with that alone.
On the lower end of the scale Title 1 positions are paid for by the feds. It sucks that so many people need ESOL education but the alternative is paying for it later with even more uneducated lower class people. The root cause of this issue is complex immigration and I won't get into that here.
Eliminate all the boundary exceptions and even worse all the special transportation needed for that. Extremely inefficient. Yes I am looking at you TJ. If parents want super STEM send them to camps and private school. Recent Google search shows STEM isnt the end all be all and like many Conventional Wisdoms its complete bs once you actually look at real supply and demand.
Thats 3+ solid ideas to start with
Take a serious look at any program that goes above any beyond what a basic school does. Keep the arts and sports everything else beyond reading writing and arithmetic should be on the chopping block. All this dual language immersion and Gifted and Talent crap or whatever the heck it is called needs to go. Thats millions of savings with that alone.
On the lower end of the scale Title 1 positions are paid for by the feds. It sucks that so many people need ESOL education but the alternative is paying for it later with even more uneducated lower class people. The root cause of this issue is complex immigration and I won't get into that here.
Eliminate all the boundary exceptions and even worse all the special transportation needed for that. Extremely inefficient. Yes I am looking at you TJ. If parents want super STEM send them to camps and private school. Recent Google search shows STEM isnt the end all be all and like many Conventional Wisdoms its complete bs once you actually look at real supply and demand.
Thats 3+ solid ideas to start with
Re: Ideas for Halting the Collapse of FCPS?
Posted by:
snowdenscold
()
Date: July 13, 2014 11:22AM
a couple serious ideas Wrote:
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> Eliminate all the boundary exceptions and even
> worse all the special transportation needed for
> that. Extremely inefficient. Yes I am looking at
> you TJ. If parents want super STEM send them to
> camps and private school. Recent Google search
> shows STEM isnt the end all be all and like many
> Conventional Wisdoms its complete bs once you
> actually look at real supply and demand.
>
I thought you said "recent research shows" until I realized it was actually "recent Google search." Even if you turned out to be correct, that's not exactly a powerful way to make your point.
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> Eliminate all the boundary exceptions and even
> worse all the special transportation needed for
> that. Extremely inefficient. Yes I am looking at
> you TJ. If parents want super STEM send them to
> camps and private school. Recent Google search
> shows STEM isnt the end all be all and like many
> Conventional Wisdoms its complete bs once you
> actually look at real supply and demand.
>
I thought you said "recent research shows" until I realized it was actually "recent Google search." Even if you turned out to be correct, that's not exactly a powerful way to make your point.
Re: Ideas for Halting the Collapse of FCPS?
Posted by:
Inagreement
()
Date: July 13, 2014 04:28PM
a couple serious ideas Wrote:
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> Cut 50% of gatehouse will never realize they are
> gone
>
True, bloated upper management at FCPS only serves bureaucratic ends. If legal action eliminated half the upper management tomorrow, does anyone really think there would be any impact on classrooms?
> Take a serious look at any program that goes above
> any beyond what a basic school does. Keep the
> arts and sports everything else beyond reading
> writing and arithmetic should be on the chopping
> block. All this dual language immersion and
> Gifted and Talent crap or whatever the heck it is
> called needs to go. Thats millions of savings
> with that alone.
>
True, how much costly management is required to run all of these programs. And why is FCPS offering adult education classes when there are plenty of other providers of all types of educational services?
> On the lower end of the scale Title 1 positions
> are paid for by the feds. It sucks that so many
> people need ESOL education but the alternative is
> paying for it later with even more uneducated
> lower class people. The root cause of this issue
> is complex immigration and I won't get into that
> here.
Yes, massive, uncontrolled immigration is putting tremendous pressure on states and localities. FCPS is a perfect example of this.
>
> Eliminate all the boundary exceptions and even
> worse all the special transportation needed for
> that. Extremely inefficient. Yes I am looking at
> you TJ. If parents want super STEM send them to
> camps and private school. Recent Google search
> shows STEM isnt the end all be all and like many
> Conventional Wisdoms its complete bs once you
> actually look at real supply and demand.
>
> Thats 3+ solid ideas to start with
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> Cut 50% of gatehouse will never realize they are
> gone
>
True, bloated upper management at FCPS only serves bureaucratic ends. If legal action eliminated half the upper management tomorrow, does anyone really think there would be any impact on classrooms?
> Take a serious look at any program that goes above
> any beyond what a basic school does. Keep the
> arts and sports everything else beyond reading
> writing and arithmetic should be on the chopping
> block. All this dual language immersion and
> Gifted and Talent crap or whatever the heck it is
> called needs to go. Thats millions of savings
> with that alone.
>
True, how much costly management is required to run all of these programs. And why is FCPS offering adult education classes when there are plenty of other providers of all types of educational services?
> On the lower end of the scale Title 1 positions
> are paid for by the feds. It sucks that so many
> people need ESOL education but the alternative is
> paying for it later with even more uneducated
> lower class people. The root cause of this issue
> is complex immigration and I won't get into that
> here.
Yes, massive, uncontrolled immigration is putting tremendous pressure on states and localities. FCPS is a perfect example of this.
>
> Eliminate all the boundary exceptions and even
> worse all the special transportation needed for
> that. Extremely inefficient. Yes I am looking at
> you TJ. If parents want super STEM send them to
> camps and private school. Recent Google search
> shows STEM isnt the end all be all and like many
> Conventional Wisdoms its complete bs once you
> actually look at real supply and demand.
>
> Thats 3+ solid ideas to start with