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Hypocrisy
Posted by: Independent ()
Date: July 09, 2014 01:02PM

I see you trust fund brats speaking out against corporations, railing on them like it's nothing.

If you hate them so much, why are you at Starbucks and using a MacBook Pro?

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Re: Hypocrisy
Posted by: Rebuttal ()
Date: July 09, 2014 01:02PM

Independent Wrote:
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> I see you trust fund brats speaking out against
> corporations, railing on them like it's nothing.
>
> If you hate them so much, why are you at Starbucks
> and using a MacBook Pro?
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Re: Hypocrisy
Posted by: Independent ()
Date: July 09, 2014 01:09PM

You're missing the point.

I don't have an issue w/ equal pay and the minimum wage, provided it's reasonable and not over $8. My issue is the hypocrisy displayed by those who have a problem w/ corporations.

If you hate them, practice what you preach; shop at goodwill and drop off the grid. Don't use technology and communicate using smoke signals.

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Re: Hypocrisy
Posted by: Bill.N. ()
Date: July 09, 2014 01:24PM

I think you need a more measured approach Independent. It is one thing to say skip megacorp where reasonable alternatives are available.

For example I could use farmers markets rather than chain grocery stores for my food. When it comes to coffee I could probably find some local place to buy it, but chances are they are obtaining there supply from a corporate importer. When it comes to cutting edge technology and the internet connections needed to use them, there isn't a good alternative.

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Re: Hypocrisy
Posted by: Independent ()
Date: July 09, 2014 01:29PM

Not my problem Bill. You can't have it both ways. Either you like corporations, or you hate them.

If it's the later, practice what you preach.

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Re: Hypocrisy
Posted by: Op is stupid ()
Date: July 09, 2014 01:29PM

People around here bitch about roads but still use them
People bitch about government but still use the services they need
And on and on
Maybe trying to make it better would be good.... For whatever you feel is not working well

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Re: Hypocrisy
Posted by: Technically... ()
Date: July 09, 2014 01:31PM

Little Mom & Pop places are likely to be corporations themselves. Just smaller ones than some. The point is that it is not corporations per se that people rail against -- it is their abuse of the system to pad their own profits by sucking the life out of everyone and everything else. That's what sucks. That's what needs to stop.

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Re: Hypocrisy
Posted by: Independent ()
Date: July 09, 2014 01:32PM

Op is stupid Wrote:
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> People around here bitch about roads but still use
> them
> People bitch about government but still use the
> services they need
> And on and on
> Maybe trying to make it better would be good....
> For whatever you feel is not working well


And I agree with you. However, these punk kids that rail against the big corporations are so ignorant, it's hard to get that through to them.

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Re: Hypocrisy
Posted by: Op is stupid ()
Date: July 09, 2014 01:32PM

Independent Wrote:
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> You're missing the point.
>
> I don't have an issue w/ equal pay and the minimum
> wage, provided it's reasonable and not over $8. My
> issue is the hypocrisy displayed by those who have
> a problem w/ corporations.
>
> If you hate them, practice what you preach; shop
> at goodwill and drop off the grid. Don't use
> technology and communicate using smoke signals.


$8 is not reasonable

Question: do you like illegals?

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Re: Hypocrisy
Posted by: Independent ()
Date: July 09, 2014 01:34PM

Op is stupid Wrote:
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> Independent Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > You're missing the point.
> >
> > I don't have an issue w/ equal pay and the
> minimum
> > wage, provided it's reasonable and not over $8.
> My
> > issue is the hypocrisy displayed by those who
> have
> > a problem w/ corporations.
> >
> > If you hate them, practice what you preach;
> shop
> > at goodwill and drop off the grid. Don't use
> > technology and communicate using smoke signals.
>
>
> $8 is not reasonable
>
> Question: do you like illegals?

$7.15 is reasonable enough and I particularly do not like illegals as they don't pay taxes and burden our HC system. If it was up to me, I'd build a damn wall down there but that's off the table.

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Re: Hypocrisy
Posted by: dependent on crapple ()
Date: July 09, 2014 01:40PM

OP should be called Dependent.

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Re: Hypocrisy
Posted by: Independent ()
Date: July 09, 2014 01:43PM

dependent on crapple Wrote:
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> OP should be called Dependent.


You offer nothing to the conversation except snark and character assassinations...typical.

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Re: Hypocrisy
Posted by: Rockhound ()
Date: July 09, 2014 01:44PM

You say building a wall is off the table. Why?

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Re: Hypocrisy
Posted by: My God! ()
Date: July 09, 2014 01:45PM

Independent Wrote:
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> Not my problem Bill. You can't have it both ways.
> Either you like corporations, or you hate them.

Is there really someone THAT trapped in the moribund world of binary thinking? How utterly awful for you!

> If it's the later, practice what you preach.

Latter...later...all the same among friends.

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Re: Hypocrisy
Posted by: Hmmm... ()
Date: July 09, 2014 01:49PM

Independent Wrote:
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> However, these punk kids that rail against the
> big corporations are so ignorant, it's hard to
> get that through to them.

OWS/DC was camped right across the street from my office. By and large, they were more intelligent and far better informed on the issues than the masses of goobers and assholes found on FFXU, yourself included.

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Re: Hypocrisy
Posted by: Bill.N. ()
Date: July 09, 2014 01:53PM

Independent Wrote:
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> Not my problem Bill. You can't have it both ways.
> Either you like corporations, or you hate them.

Sorry but there are other alternatives. I have no problems with corporations in theory or with many corporations in practice. That does not mean that I have to buy into some kind of corporate-libertarian agenda.

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Re: Hypocrisy
Posted by: Independent ()
Date: July 09, 2014 01:53PM

Rockhound Wrote:
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> You say building a wall is off the table. Why?


It would cost too much to build such a wall and neither party is willing to commit towards it. I wouldn't be adverse to something like the Dream Act, but amnesty would be terrible. However, you can't really try and round up everyone and kick them out either.

Immigration is a very tricky subject and isn't as black and white as some on here think it is.

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Re: Hypocrisy
Posted by: Independent ()
Date: July 09, 2014 01:55PM

Bill.N. Wrote:
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> Independent Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Not my problem Bill. You can't have it both
> ways.
> > Either you like corporations, or you hate them.
>
> Sorry but there are other alternatives. I have no
> problems with corporations in theory or with many
> corporations in practice. That does not mean that
> I have to buy into some kind of
> corporate-libertarian agenda.

True and I should have worded my post a little bit better. I don't have this massive hard on for corporations, but I feel they get a bad rap all because they rake in billions of dollars.

I would have no problem agreeing with those kids if the problems were valid such as discrimination and environmental recklessness, but too me it's just cheap shots and nothing more.

Believe me, I don't subscribe to any Libertarian mindset.

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Re: Hypocrisy
Posted by: Rockhound ()
Date: July 09, 2014 01:59PM

I agree but in order to avoid third world status, the EZ pass border needs to be secured. I'm not for sending back everybody or anybody, but for our future's sake the flow of illegals running across the border needs to be reduced significantly.

A wall is not as far-fetched as one might think.

It will never happen though, nor will immigration be enforced, it all ties back to corporations and profits...

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Re: Hypocrisy
Posted by: Get a grip... ()
Date: July 09, 2014 02:00PM

Op is stupid Wrote:
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> $8 is not reasonable

True. The minimum age needs to be higher than that. In 1968, the minimum wage was raised to $1.60 an hour. That would be $10.94 an hour in today's terms. It would have to be about $8.05 an hour today just to be worth what the $7.25 was in 2009.

> Question: do you like illegals?

I have no idea. Of course, no one can actually tell who is illegal and who is not, so it would be very difficult for anyone to keep track.

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Re: Hypocrisy
Posted by: Rockhound ()
Date: July 09, 2014 02:01PM

Independent Wrote:
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> I see you trust fund brats speaking out against
> corporations, railing on them like it's nothing.
>
> If you hate them so much, why are you at Starbucks
> and using a MacBook Pro?


You make a decent point. While it may not be feasible to live off the grid and boycott all corporations, it is possible to take small steps, like buying local. But even the small number of mom and pop places still around have been bought up by the bigger behemoths.

People who complain about corporate tax rates and subsidies should at the very least understand that they are voluntarily feeding into the very system they are complaining about. That includes your Kashi bars.

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Re: Hypocrisy
Posted by: Hmmm... ()
Date: July 09, 2014 02:05PM

dependent on crapple Wrote:
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> OP should be called Dependent.

"Ignorant Asshole" would cover it better.

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Re: Hypocrisy
Posted by: Fucking Dimbulb ()
Date: July 09, 2014 02:08PM

Independent Wrote:
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> $7.15 is reasonable enough and I particularly do
> not like illegals as they don't pay taxes and
> burden our HC system. If it was up to me, I'd
> build a damn wall down there but that's off the
> table.

The current base minimum wage is $7.25.

Illegals pay the same taxes you do.

Illegals try NOT to get involved in health care at all.

There already is a fucking wall, you moron.

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Re: Hypocrisy
Posted by: eLester ()
Date: July 09, 2014 02:17PM

The big immigration flow is the result of two US policies from the 90s. The passage of NAFTA flooded the Central American markets with cheap taxpayer-subsidized corn grown by corporate farms and killed the small farmers. Large numbers of unskilled workers were put out of work and migrated north to find jobs. The defeat of the Medellin cocain cartel moved the drug trade further north. The US continued to use the same paramilitary tactics in El Salvador, Honduras, Mexico, and Guatemala that is used in Columbia. The violence moves back and forth across these borders as the cartels move their operations. People are fleeing these gangs as well.

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Re: Hypocrisy
Posted by: Hmmm... ()
Date: July 09, 2014 02:18PM

Independent Wrote:
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> You offer nothing to the conversation except snark
> and character assassinations...typical.

If you don't want to be referred to as an ignorant asshole, stop posting like one.

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Re: Hypocrisy
Posted by: Independent ()
Date: July 09, 2014 02:19PM

Hmmm... Wrote:
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> Independent Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > You offer nothing to the conversation except
> snark
> > and character assassinations...typical.
>
> If you don't want to be referred to as an ignorant
> asshole, stop posting like one.


So I have to like everything you like?

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Re: Hypocrisy
Posted by: Oblamer In Chief ()
Date: July 09, 2014 02:26PM

We want Amerikans to be dumb so my plan will work #BringBackOurSocialists

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Re: Hypocrisy
Posted by: Hmmm... ()
Date: July 09, 2014 02:36PM

Rockhound Wrote:
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> I agree but in order to avoid third world status,
> the EZ pass border needs to be secured. I'm not
> for sending back everybody or anybody, but for our
> future's sake the flow of illegals running across
> the border needs to be reduced significantly.

Immigration will instead increase substantially. There are not enough native-born workers to fill the gaps left by retiring baby-boomers, and as the population as a whole ages, the demand for home and personal care services -- things that immigrants specialize in -- will expand rapidly. There is no getting around this. The only solution is to make it easier and cheaper to come here and work legally than it is to come here and work illegally.

> A wall is not as far-fetched as one might think.

What is farfetched is the idea that it would work. These are girls. It took them 18 seconds to climb the wall. The wall cost $4 million per mile to build.
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Re: Hypocrisy
Posted by: A wall is just symbolic ()
Date: July 09, 2014 03:09PM

Shovels,ladders,lock picks,airplanes trump walls. Food & education are a couple of answers you so called Christians might try. Guess Jesus wasted his time and energy try to teach you about love and understanding.
Post about hypocrisy.......

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Re: Hypocrisy
Posted by: laying it all out there ()
Date: July 09, 2014 03:18PM

Immigration is fine people cutting in line not fine

I know its overused I cant go to Mexico and get free stuff etc

I want the lowest price for stuff so shoot me.

All this local/organic crap is just green washing or feel good washing to make yuppies feel good. You are still supporting a corporation dumbasses. Also 50% percent premium on prices to "feel good" what sort of crap is that. Its called smart marketing because those corporations realize millennial are willing to pay a premium for that garbage.

Its not all bad I prefer panera/chipotle to all the casual crap resturants that people used to go to and those prices are falling. Compete or die

Netflix over cable, the whole music revolution where you dont have to pay for an entire crappy album win win win. Guess what those are all corporations too.

ok thats enough for now

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Re: Hypocrisy
Posted by: Ag Monitor ()
Date: July 09, 2014 03:37PM

eLester Wrote:
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> The big immigration flow is the result of two US
> policies from the 90s. The passage of NAFTA
> flooded the Central American markets with cheap
> taxpayer-subsidized corn grown by corporate farms
> and killed the small farmers. Large numbers of
> unskilled workers were put out of work and
> migrated north to find jobs.

Hogwash. The percentage of US corn exported fell across the board after NAFTA. The trend has only continued as domestic ethanol production has expanded.



The defeat of the
> Medellin cocain cartel moved the drug trade
> further north. The US continued to use the same
> paramilitary tactics in El Salvador, Honduras,
> Mexico, and Guatemala that is used in Columbia.
> The violence moves back and forth across these
> borders as the cartels move their operations.
> People are fleeing these gangs as well.

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Re: Hypocrisy
Posted by: Lib Exposer ()
Date: July 09, 2014 04:24PM

Hypocrisy is Greenpeace burning thousands of gallons of fossil fuels to go protest at an offshort drilling platform.

Al Gore flying a private chartered jet to fly around the world to condescending preach to everyone about saving energy.

Big-Ass Moochelle Obama forcing unwanted veggie crap down the throats of school kids.

Obama refusing to negotiate with elected Congressional reps yet willing to trade five American-killing terrorists in exchange for a deserter.

Libs who consistently support higher taxes, but never pay them themselves.

Libs using billionaire George Soros' and Michael Bloomberg's (among others) money to tell us how out-of-touch Repubs are with working Americans.

The list just goes on and on... but libtards are too braindead to ever acknowledge the obvious truth or learn from their pathetic failures.

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Re: Hypocrisy
Posted by: kd6PP ()
Date: July 09, 2014 04:36PM

before golden parachutes were legal (before rewards for public corp. failure). before gov just printed money whenever an insider wanted more ...

there used to be a valid question:

Who can do a contract cheaper:

a) low paid gov, honest lower quality work more on job

b) corp, higher pay, but has commercial know-how and private designs

answer: there wasn't a good answer on many contracts. gov workers were less efficient and less qualified and paid but more likely to save money. businesses, working under cost pressure, would find better ways and had tricks under their hat.

--------------------

that is bust with democrat facist gov. private designs? now over paid gov workers make designs and hand corp. them to sell back to gov and it's not considered "which way is cheap" but "how can we give this cow more steroids without it dropping dead"

none of it matters when some can compete using what others earned, then use that aginst the other to prevent the other from earning or even complaining

"a willing buyer and a willing seller"



gov can make products no one wants and force a sale, literally at gunpoint to civilians, not just a sale but a sale at high profit over cost of production

private companies we assume cannot use police that way and cannot do business if the fickle custmors (or rather unloyal sack of shit import freaks) decide not to use the brand

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Re: Hypocrisy
Posted by: Love, Peace & Hypocrisy ()
Date: July 09, 2014 04:54PM

A wall is just symbolic Wrote:
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> Shovels,ladders,lock picks,airplanes trump walls.
> Food & education are a couple of answers you so
> called Christians might try. Guess Jesus wasted
> his time and energy try to teach you about love
> and understanding.
> Post about hypocrisy.......

Religion is personal, like jerking off. And their are a lot of jerk-offs here.

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Re: Hypocrisy
Posted by: 6yxJy ()
Date: July 10, 2014 05:21PM

Obama, Alinsky, Ayers, Dorn, Clinton (the vagina, not the penis), Reid, Pelosi, Frank, Sanders, Waters.

Those Leftist/Progressives are almost in full control of the U.S. government.

Conservatives need to take back the Senate. Republicans will do for now, although they are weak.

Americans, who want America back, vote Republican this fall, especially in the U.S. Senate, and all local legislatures.

P.S. Hey you crazy posters who just write crap on this FU forum, I'll let you know that I'm on the street all the time, converting regulars left and right to not vote for Democrats this fall. All . . . the . . . time.

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Re: Hypocrisy
Posted by: Independent ()
Date: July 10, 2014 05:36PM

6yxJy Wrote:
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> Obama, Alinsky, Ayers, Dorn, Clinton (the vagina,
> not the penis), Reid, Pelosi, Frank, Sanders,
> Waters.
>
> Those Leftist/Progressives are almost in full
> control of the U.S. government.
>
> Conservatives need to take back the Senate.
> Republicans will do for now, although they are
> weak.
>
> Americans, who want America back, vote Republican
> this fall, especially in the U.S. Senate, and all
> local legislatures.
>
> P.S. Hey you crazy posters who just write crap on
> this FU forum, I'll let you know that I'm on the
> street all the time, converting regulars left and
> right to not vote for Democrats this fall. All . .
> . the . . . time.


Sure you are...lol.

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Re: Hypocrisy
Posted by: Green ()
Date: July 10, 2014 05:37PM

Technically... Wrote:
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> Little Mom & Pop places are likely to be
> corporations themselves. Just smaller ones than
> some. The point is that it is not corporations
> per se that people rail against -- it is their
> abuse of the system to pad their own profits by
> sucking the life out of everyone and everything
> else. That's what sucks. That's what needs to
> stop.


"...it is not corporations
> per se that people rail against -- it is..." The fact that they are making more money, or lots of it.

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