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The Light Horse in Old Town is named after the father of a slaver
Posted by: ............ ()
Date: June 30, 2020 01:28PM

How is this still allowed?

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Re: The Light Horse in Old Town is named after the father of a slaver
Posted by: Cleetus ()
Date: June 30, 2020 01:59PM

You are right this should not be allowed. The name needs to changed to Nigger Masters Dark Horse in Old Town. Good call.

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Re: The Light Horse in Old Town is named after the father of a slaver
Posted by: grbnhr5e ()
Date: June 30, 2020 02:40PM


Gerrymanderer2 (G2, the OP original poster or spammer just above, perhaps both) posts several lies on ffu daily - many think he's a fx co gov worker who is getting paid to do it for false DNC democrat "advertising". He floods ffu with useless posts to bump down major news, demoralize americans. G2 posts fecal matter, mutilated bodies, child porn, foreign drug ads and sneaker ads, tells people to kill themselves and government should seize them and put them on psych pills in prison without a trial - decided by DNC democrats gov workers, promotes kangaroo courthouse trials, gives anti-religious rants, gives satanic ritual rants, posts black males with large dicks on white young females, portends white low birth rate and fall of USA whites, suggestive of food tampering/poisoning to solve the white problem, and anything possible to demoralize any americans on ffu - all of which are fake news he never responds to proofs it is fake. (perhaps g2 is a chinese prisoner or isis member - but definitely knowledgeable of fx co gov from the inside at times). The website operator has told him "not to post or return" (in an existing post by the sysop): not because of a political leaning but for continual illegal and gross spam along with messages that are only to demoralize if not kill others. G2 plays at financial terrorism as well; continually reporting fake and false financial data. G2 fakes emergency pleas to deaden the real response to any real one - like a devil. G2 continually spams FFU - which all users complain of: it is a real DoS attack - the attacks are not just topic bumps but designed to inject key words to kill ffu and google search results. G2 continually promotes drug use, alcoholic experimentation, and tries to convince members to meet hookers using photos from the 1990's (i doubt any that did are not arrested or dead). G2 continually posts racist posts and gay posts egging others to comment - then attacks who does - AND RECORDS IT (likely for political extortion). G2 and dems MONITOR AND RECORD* "conservatives who blast out these democrat lies and illegal abuse of telephone privilege (sometimes in a raw manner, being so jaded by the job)" (users who object to G2's actions listed so far). One ffu member discovered a south american country recording FFU databasing all posts in a non-chat database format - and when questioned - another member quickly said it was all coincidence and that this was done everywhere in the world on all sites: WHICH IS A LIE. Not all countries record the every word of what fairfaxians say on blogs. Extortion is also mentioned by G2. And the idea he's fishing for comments he can use against anyone who'd run for office is "just assume he's in that business" - and i've warned others that is what he fishes for - excuses to attack conservatives and or to extort them.

SOME POSTERS ON FFU FEEL G2 IS A JOKER: I ASSURE YOU THE ABOVE COMPLAINTS ARE GENUINELY A THREAT TO ONLOOKERS (THE UN-INTIATED), NON-DEMOCRATS, AND TO ANYONE STATING THAT LAWS SHOULD BE IMPOSED ON DEMOCRATS EQUALLY AS DEMOCRATS IMPOSE THEM ON OTHERS: MONEY

LEGAL NOTICE: DEMOCRATS HAVE `SWATTED' THE HOMES OF SOME FFU POSTS WHO REFUTE G2 AND CALL DEMS OUT ON THEFT AND LIES - AND EXPOSE THE LAWS THEY COULD BE PROSECUTED FOR BREACH OF TRUST. THAT'S A CONFIRMED WITNESSED FACT. IT IS NO JOKE WHAT G2 IS DOING. HIS CONTINUAL FISHING IS NOT IDLE - THEY ARE TRIGGERED AND ARMED. which i've warned others about since, about 2010 - that G2 is fishing for men to "erase" politically, by any means available to him


G2 has now been wimpering that anti-G2 posts are "unfair" and that users who protest G2 should be blocked, SWATTED (see above), and forced on medications (see above), and that "someone else is G2". However - do not let the vicious foreign attacker fool you into your death our out of your community: G2 has been active since exactly the beginning of 2017 "hillary has already won the election" set of lies and has only DOUBLED spam recently - yes the suicide taunting of others, false information, and all else listed above. He is not wimpering for help he has doubled the spam and vicious attacks (or they, communist/facist using federal money. I pinned him correctly when I began this warning post.

GO BACK TO HELL G2. YOU ARE EXPOSED.

#1 he's lying, light horse means light horse

#2 George Washington was not a slaver

DROP DEAD G2


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Re: The Light Horse in Old Town is named after the father of a slaver
Posted by: Nom Nom ()
Date: June 30, 2020 02:55PM

Never saw any slaves there. Try the crab deviled eggs. Get two orders as they are delicious.

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Re: The Light Horse in Old Town is named after the father of a slaver
Posted by: Get Your History Right ()
Date: June 30, 2020 03:35PM

Wrong. Robert E. Lee was never a slave owner in his own right. It was only as executor of his father in law's estate. The Light Horse is a reference to Henry Lee, also known as Light Horse Harry Lee, Robert E. Lee's father. Light Horse Harry Lee did own slaves in his own right.

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Re: The Light Horse in Old Town is named after the father of a slaver
Posted by: rebelz ()
Date: June 30, 2020 03:58PM

Glad we got that cleared up? Tell us more about deviled crab eggs op.

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Re: The Light Horse in Old Town is named after the father of a slaver
Posted by: Jog avoider ()
Date: June 30, 2020 04:11PM

Best for whites to avoid Old Town for a while at night. Same thing been going on for years outside ballpark in Baltimore. Get home before the sun go’s down!

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Re: The Light Horse in Old Town is named after the father of a slaver
Posted by: ......... ()
Date: June 30, 2020 04:39PM

https://apnews.com/afs:Content:9009420680


CLAIM: Gen. Robert E. Lee, who led the Confederate States Army in the Civil War, “opposed both secession and slavery.” He did not own slaves.

AP’S ASSESSMENT: False. According to historians, not only did Lee own slaves, but he also fought in court to keep working slaves from his father-in-law’s estate. Claims casting Lee as an anti-slavery figure are tied to a false narrative known as the Lost Cause, which says the Confederate experience in the Civil War was not about slavery, but state’s rights

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Re: The Light Horse in Old Town is named after the father of a slaver
Posted by: Fact Check Fact Checker ()
Date: June 30, 2020 06:52PM

......... Wrote:
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> https://apnews.com/afs:Content:9009420680
>
>
> CLAIM: Gen. Robert E. Lee, who led the Confederate
> States Army in the Civil War, “opposed both
> secession and slavery.” He did not own slaves.
>
> AP’S ASSESSMENT: False. According to historians,
> not only did Lee own slaves, but he also fought in
> court to keep working slaves from his
> father-in-law’s estate. Claims casting Lee as an
> anti-slavery figure are tied to a false narrative
> known as the Lost Cause, which says the
> Confederate experience in the Civil War was not
> about slavery, but state’s rights


AP's Assessment is so misleading that to say it is wrong is being charitable. It fails to draw a distinction between owning slaves as the executor and owning slaves outright. It fails to discuss the intricacies of Virginia estate administration law as it existed in the 19th century, especially regarding slaves. It fails to discuss the specifics of George Washington Parke Custis's estate. Why did they conveniently ignore these points? Was it because those making the assessments were grossly ignorant of how these issues impacted the claim that Lee was a slave owner? Or was it because those making the assessments were deliberately trying to skew the results?

Lee did not own slaves outright like Grant did. As executor Lee had far less control over the fate of Arlington's slaves than Sherman had over the fate of the slaves owned by the school Sherman was running in Louisiana (the future LSU). This does not mean that Lee was one of the good guys. While he was serving as a soldier in the U.S. army his lifestyle was supported by slave labor through his father in law. However a great many northerners also profited from slave labor.

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Re: The Light Horse in Old Town is named after the father of a slaver
Posted by: ............. ()
Date: June 30, 2020 07:48PM

https://acwm.org/blog/myths-misunderstandings-lee-slaveholder/


Robert E. Lee personally owned slaves that he inherited upon the death of his mother, Ann Lee, in 1829. (His son, Robert E. Lee Jr., gave the number as three or four families.) Following the death of his father-in-law, George Washington Parke Custis, in 1857, Lee assumed command of 189 enslaved people, working the estates of Arlington, White House, and Romancoke. Custis’ will stipulated that the enslaved people that the Lee family inherited be freed within five years.

Lee, as executor of Custis’ will and supervisor of Custis’ estates, drove his new-found labor force hard to lift those estates from debt. Concerned that the endeavor might take longer than the five years stipulated, Lee petitioned state courts to extend his control of enslaved people.

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Re: The Light Horse in Old Town is named after the father of a slaver
Posted by: Bill.N. ()
Date: July 02, 2020 09:27AM

Something worth spending a little time on.

Lee was raised in a slave owning household. His childhood living expenses were paid for with profits gained from the labor of slaves. As an adult Lee could not afford the cost of maintaining his wife and six children, sending one to Harvard and another to the University of Virginia, on the salary he was making as an officer in the U.S. army. He was being helped out by his father in law who was making his money off of slave labor. It is probable that even some of Lee's projects as an army engineer were being carried out by hired slave labor. Lee was hardly free of the stain of slavery.

As to the two specific charges though, let's take a look.

1. "Robert E. Lee personally owned slaves that he inherited upon the death of his mother, Ann Lee, in 1829"

I don't have access to Ann Hill Carter Lee's will or estate documents. Her estate should have been probated in Fairfax since she was living at Ravensworth. Many of Fairfax's records were destroyed during the Civil War. It was only by luck that Martha Washington's will survived. The one source I have that mentions Lee's mother's estate says that most of the estate passed to Lee's two sisters. That includes the only slaves mentioned in the will. It says that Lee's mother directed the rest of her estate be sold and the proceeds be divided among her sons. The estimate is that Lee's cut of the estate was around $3,000. It is possible that Lee could have chosen to take his cut in slaves, if his mother had any beyond those left to his sisters. For a young army officer with no land, taking the cash would have been the more likely choice. Also if there were slaves remaining why wouldn't Lee's oldest brother have taken them as part of his cut?

2. "Lee, as executor of Custis’ will and supervisor of Custis’ estates"

As mentioned Custis was in debt. His estate was land and slave rich and was cash poor, a common problem for planters. Custis added to the burden of that debt the obligation to make certain cash payments to beneficiaries. Under Virginia law then as now creditors of the estate had to be paid before distributions were made to beneficiaries. Under Virginia law at the time the personal property of the deceased, including his slaves, was the normal source for payment of those debts. Under Virginia law at the time the granting to a slave of his freedom was legally the same as leaving the slave to the slave. That means even if the will says the slave is to be freed the slave can only get his freedom once his dead owner's debts are paid.

What would happen if there was enough money to pay the debts but not to make the cash payments to other beneficiaries, I'm not sure. Do the cash payments to other beneficiaries need to be paid first, even if that means slaves have to be sold to raise the money? Do the slaves get freed even though that would mean the cash payments won't be made? And how do you handle it if some of the slaves have to be sold to pay debts? You can't give a slave 75% of his freedom. So any experts on early 19th century Virginia estate and slave law out there?

Custis knew enough of this to know it would be a legal train wreck if he granted his slaves freedom upon his death. He stipulated in his will that his executor had five years before freeing the slaves, hoping that would be enough time to raise the additional funds needed to pay Custis's debts and make the cash payments to the other beneficiaries in Custis's will.

Was that enough though? When Lee became Custis's executor this was something he had to ask. It also would have been reasonable if he thought it would not be enough to look to alternatives. Sources I have seen have said Lee merely asked his attorney about the possibility of extending the period before freeing the slaves. Your source says the lawsuit was actually filed. If so there should be a record of that lawsuit. So what does the lawsuit actually say?

Lee was in an awkward position as executor of his father in law's estate. The slaves knew they were supposed to be freed and did not understand (or care) why they could not be freed immediately. The creditors had to be paid and payments to the other beneficiaries had to be funded, and the only way that was going to happen was through the labor of the slaves. Then the war broke out and what had been business as usual became unusual business.

Not taking a firm position here. It just seems like there are a number of allegations being thrown around by people who don't know what they are talking about. So lets see what the facts are, and then hang Lee for what he did.

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Re: The Light Horse in Old Town is named after the father of a slaver
Posted by: .......... ()
Date: July 10, 2020 01:17AM

John...Nicole......Care to weigh in on this??

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