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fcps number #1 when HS has 50% SOL passing rates
Posted by: Household 6 ()
Date: June 12, 2014 07:09PM

My daughter failed her Algebra 1, Biology SOL. and she passed her World History 1 sol. Today I find out that only 44% of the student passed the Algebra 1 sol before retakes. Why do people say FCPS has a very good school system when they have very bad teachers?

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Re: fcps number #1 when HS has 50% SOL passing rates
Posted by: cbass ()
Date: June 12, 2014 07:10PM

Move
Please

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Re: fcps number #1 when HS has 50% SOL passing rates
Posted by: GE3k3 ()
Date: June 12, 2014 07:12PM

Close your legs, Bitch!

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Re: fcps number #1 when HS has 50% SOL passing rates
Posted by: passresponsibikity ()
Date: June 12, 2014 07:12PM

Yes blame teachers because your daughter didn't pass her SOLs. I'm sure held her tight during sports and blamed the other team being just too good when she lost.

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Re: fcps number #1 when HS has 50% SOL passing rates
Posted by: Household 6 ()
Date: June 12, 2014 08:15PM

passresponsibikity Wrote:
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> Yes blame teachers because your daughter didn't
> pass her SOLs. I'm sure held her tight during
> sports and blamed the other team being just too
> good when she lost.


most her friends failed the sol too. This school has bad teachers they should fire them.

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Re: fcps number #1 when HS has 50% SOL passing rates
Posted by: Remember ()
Date: June 12, 2014 08:36PM

These tests are NOT made by teachers or educational experts, they are made by politicians. If you weren't pissed off before, you should be now.

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Re: fcps number #1 when HS has 50% SOL passing rates
Posted by: where? ()
Date: June 12, 2014 09:26PM

What school? My school had a pass rate for Algebra 1 somewhere around 95%. The teachers are the same no matter where you go. It's the kids that vary. Studies clearly show you can't overcome low SES and crappy parenting no matter how good the teacher.

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Re: fcps number #1 when HS has 50% SOL passing rates
Posted by: my opinion ()
Date: June 12, 2014 09:38PM

My kids never had any trouble passing their Sol's. I think kids these days need to spend less time on their phones and texting and more time studying. How can you get anything accomplished when you are glued to your cell phone and sending dozens of text messages per day. Maybe hundreds.

They are exhibiting OCD.

Take their phones away from them, monitor their study habits. Be nasty. It works.

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Re: fcps number #1 when HS has 50% SOL passing rates
Posted by: Household 6 ()
Date: June 12, 2014 09:46PM

where? Wrote:
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> What school? My school had a pass rate for
> Algebra 1 somewhere around 95%. The teachers are
> the same no matter where you go. It's the kids
> that vary. Studies clearly show you can't
> overcome low SES and crappy parenting no matter
> how good the teacher.


Mount Vernon High School. And before you start your racist comments.

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Re: fcps number #1 when HS has 50% SOL passing rates
Posted by: I call bullshit! ()
Date: June 12, 2014 09:47PM

*the* most important variable affecting student success is the classroom instructor. Yes, SES and home live are other important variables, but not to the extent of the teacher. Before you spout off "studies have shown that...", you better be able to back it up. Please cite at least ONE study with an academic lit review that asserts otherwise.

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Re: fcps number #1 when HS has 50% SOL passing rates
Posted by: I thought so ()
Date: June 12, 2014 11:32PM

I knew it was going to be MVHS. I used to teach in that cluster. They were making lots of progress with their 2x2 Algebra class to help kids pass. I'm surprised to hear that's declining.

How did you find out the pass rate for the school already? Our tests aren't even finished yet and our preliminary numbers certainly aren't viewable by the public already.

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Re: fcps number #1 when HS has 50% SOL passing rates
Posted by: Tomdog ()
Date: June 13, 2014 10:10AM

I've taught in various schools and my rates always reflect the environment. Its so clear to someone who does something how it works while its always invalid logic that allows those outside to blame others before themselves.

The same reason bad parents want others fired is same reason their kids will keep failing.

Wait..they won't fail due to new no fail policies the parents/voters/politicos have rallied for to protect kids from evil high expectations of educators.

Irony is the worse teachers are treated the more they give up proving you wrong.
Give people no way out they become what you want them to be. And parents NEED teachers to be the problem.

Notice the rhetoric. Nobody wants improved teachers. They want them all blindly fired.

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Re: fcps number #1 when HS has 50% SOL passing rates
Posted by: Bill.N. ()
Date: June 13, 2014 12:24PM

I can understand a low pass rate on the Algebra 1 exam in high school. As a rule the above average and many average students will have already taken Algebra 1 before they get to high school. The restricted student pool could easily skew the results. Still I'm guessing there aren't many FCPS high schools with an Algebra 1 pass rate of under 50%.

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Re: fcps number #1 when HS has 50% SOL passing rates
Posted by: Get real... ()
Date: June 13, 2014 12:31PM

FCPS is a Potemkin village. The leadership and teachers just keep taking credit for what is largely a wealthy, educated populace delivering smart, ready to learn kids to their door every morning. Look in the dark corners at the Title 1 schools and you find that FCPS is no better than DCPS at educating disadvantaged kids. Even the teachers in the high end pyramids like Langley and oakton are not all that good - they just happen to draw from an exceptional pool.

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Re: fcps number #1 when HS has 50% SOL passing rates
Posted by: Reality is Setting in ()
Date: June 13, 2014 12:47PM

And they're drawing on the reputation of the past, not the current crop coming up.

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Re: fcps number #1 when HS has 50% SOL passing rates
Posted by: commonsense ()
Date: June 13, 2014 12:49PM

Get real... Wrote:
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> to learn kids to their door every
> morning. Look in the dark corners at the Title 1
> schools and you find that FCPS is no better than
> DCPS at educating disadvantaged kids.

What's the point? Who is good at this?

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Re: fcps number #1 when HS has 50% SOL passing rates
Posted by: Household 6 ()
Date: June 13, 2014 02:39PM

where? Wrote:
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> What school? My school had a pass rate for
> Algebra 1 somewhere around 95%. The teachers are
> the same no matter where you go. It's the kids
> that vary. Studies clearly show you can't
> overcome low SES and crappy parenting no matter
> how good the teacher.


My daughter overheard her teacher talked about it. But that was before the retake, but she failed the retake with a 397 and the first time she got a 370. Only a couple of her friends that failed it the first time passed the retake so I can think it ight be 55% passing rate now but not that much?

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Re: fcps number #1 when HS has 50% SOL passing rates
Posted by: The way it is ()
Date: June 13, 2014 05:14PM

commonsense Wrote:
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> Get real... Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > to learn kids to their door every
> > morning. Look in the dark corners at the Title
> 1
> > schools and you find that FCPS is no better
> than
> > DCPS at educating disadvantaged kids.
>
> What's the point? Who is good at this?

The point is that FCPS is not world class, it's average, despite what FCPS would have everyone believe. For 3 years they made the AYP standard of NCLB, and they trumpeted that as if they had won a Nobel prize. Then, in 2012, FCPS did not meet the standard, and suddenly they said 'well, we don't think those standards measure us very well.'

FCPS has been dining out on the spawn of high income, high achieving parents for years. Give them anyone else to educate and they do not better than they rest of the world.

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Re: fcps number #1 when HS has 50% SOL passing rates
Posted by: Household 6 ()
Date: June 13, 2014 05:40PM

Amen!!! And they blame the students.
The way it is Wrote:
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> commonsense Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Get real... Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > to learn kids to their door every
> > > morning. Look in the dark corners at the
> Title
> > 1
> > > schools and you find that FCPS is no better
> > than
> > > DCPS at educating disadvantaged kids.
> >
> > What's the point? Who is good at this?
>
> The point is that FCPS is not world class, it's
> average, despite what FCPS would have everyone
> believe. For 3 years they made the AYP standard
> of NCLB, and they trumpeted that as if they had
> won a Nobel prize. Then, in 2012, FCPS did not
> meet the standard, and suddenly they said 'well,
> we don't think those standards measure us very
> well.'
>
> FCPS has been dining out on the spawn of high
> income, high achieving parents for years. Give
> them anyone else to educate and they do not better
> than they rest of the world.

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Re: fcps number #1 when HS has 50% SOL passing rates
Posted by: Schools ()
Date: June 13, 2014 05:50PM

FCPS's primary educational directive has become warehousing students, holding them in classrooms until they are 18. When it comes right down to it, any real education is incidental and is really just supplemental to the educations provided by families, at all socioeconomic levels, who are devoted to educating their children. It is the subtext to all teacher education and training in FCPS.

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Re: fcps number #1 when HS has 50% SOL passing rates
Posted by: my point ()
Date: June 13, 2014 09:06PM

This is exactly my point. When kids do poorly, teachers are blamed:

"FCPS has been dining out on the spawn of high income, high achieving parents for years. Give them anyone else to educate and they do not better than they rest of the world."

When kids do WELL, the teachers are dismissed as irrelevant and having nothing to do with it:

"The leadership and teachers just keep taking credit for what is largely a wealthy, educated populace delivering smart, ready to learn kids to their door every morning."

You can't have it both ways. You can't blame the teachers when the kids suck but then dismiss them and only credit the students' upbringing and family background when the kids do well.

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Re: fcps number #1 when HS has 50% SOL passing rates
Posted by: FYI2 ()
Date: June 13, 2014 09:12PM

Also, for anyone who doesn't know, to pass the Algebra 1 SOL, you only need to get 50% of the questions correct (25 out of 50). A 370 is roughly 18 questions correct out of 50. So, your kid basically earned a 36% on what amounts to a final for the class.

How was your child doing in the class all year? If she had A's all year and them bombed the SOL, I would definitely be concerned. But if she struggled in the class all year then I wouldn't be surprised and I would recommend she re-take the class and possibly get a tutor.

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Re: fcps number #1 when HS has 50% SOL passing rates
Posted by: I despise SOLs ()
Date: June 13, 2014 09:26PM

The SOL measures how well a child can take tests,
I have two kids with same IQs.

Older one is a good test taker.
A better student too.


I'm glad that they are out of school and in college.

SOLs don't measure the teachers and don't really measure the student.

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Re: fcps number #1 when HS has 50% SOL passing rates
Posted by: pebch ()
Date: June 13, 2014 10:20PM

I think taking their phones away is a great idea.

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Re: fcps number #1 when HS has 50% SOL passing rates
Posted by: ringoted ()
Date: June 14, 2014 02:22AM

The kids in class literally just twitch like junkies to get to their phones. And SOL's are the one time they get in serious trouble if they get caught so most kids rush through the test so they can sneak back to their backpack and iphone.

in class the girls just keep the phone in their laps and literally don't look up. It's like the twilight zone.

oh you can do a zillion tricks (each is effective a time or two) to get them to ignore the phone but by the time you do that you forget what subject you are teaching.

smart phones are in the hands of EVERY kid in school. I wonder if the general public has any idea?? I mean every kids has a machine in their lap that can show them all the porn,drug references...etc in their lap.

COULD YOU HAVE FUNCTIONED UNDER THESE CIRCUMSTANCES AT 16??

Once you start taking the phones then the kid will never listen to you again... it's a vicious war. The parents seemed more perturbed at the school for wasting their time making them come reclaim the phone when they NEED to text their kid and can't.

Keep churning out ADHD text addicts and blaming schools for their weaker and weaker skills.

When I coach basketball I don't cut my kids fingers off then scream at their lack of foul shooting ability.

But at least your daughter got a prom date by her constant socializing 24/7! She and you can text and be best friends! I mean who needs Algebra anyway? I bet you just make remarks about how you hated math and then go back to Candy Crush making her super interested in achieving like good ole stereotyping/blanket statement/blame game mom.

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Re: fcps number #1 when HS has 50% SOL passing rates
Posted by: lpwsis ()
Date: June 14, 2014 08:41AM

Nice job, ringoted.
They are seriously OCD. If they could only really see themselves and how ridiculous the phone situation is. They never should have allowed those things, even after 9/11. Enforcing the limits is impossible.
Adults have a problem, also. They walk around playing with the damn phones like they are on another planet, don't even bother to look for oncoming cars-just cross the street, run into people, etc. They are totally distracted at work in their constant chatter with their friends when they are supposed to be doing what they are paid for.

IT'S JUST A PHONE, for God's sake. Concentrate on your schoolwork and where you are going, etc.

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