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Nancy Pelosi refuses to open chambers for president Trump's State of the Union address
Posted by: Demoncrats exposed ()
Date: January 16, 2019 02:21PM

Once again demoncrats are obstructing the president of the United States to perform his job.

What are they so scared of?

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Re: Nancy Pelosi refuses to open chambers for president Trump's State of the Union address
Posted by: Derrick ()
Date: January 16, 2019 02:24PM

Why give the big blow hard a platform You go girl.

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Re: Nancy Pelosi refuses to open chambers for president Trump's State of the Union address
Posted by: President Trump FTW! ()
Date: January 16, 2019 02:27PM

Derrick Wrote:
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> Why give the big blow hard a platform You go
> girl.


It's his constitutional requirement. Americans love the Constitution and libs hate it. If Trump is so bad why are they scared shitless of him?

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Re: Nancy Pelosi refuses to open chambers for president Trump's State of the Union address
Posted by: Another dem fuckup ()
Date: January 16, 2019 02:28PM

Bad move by Nancy.

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Re: Nancy Pelosi refuses to open chambers for president Trump's State of the Union address
Posted by: democrat party stroke victims ()
Date: January 16, 2019 02:28PM

Demoncrats exposed Wrote:
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> Once again demoncrats are obstructing the
> president of the United States to perform his
> job.
>
> What are they so scared of?


nancy palsi is having a stroke again. Flop around on the floor type stroke, a-la Hillary. She'll be lucky if the secret service doesn't toss her into the black van like a sack of potatoes. Just like Hillary.

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Re: Nancy Pelosi refuses to open chambers for president Trump's State of the Union address
Posted by: Trump broke them ()
Date: January 16, 2019 02:38PM

Our president is going to completely decimate them with truth and facts as he always does. The SOTU address is nationally televised and getting the truth out to all those viewers is the last thing democrats want. They don't even pretend to like our country. Their Beto boi is already running on eliminating our constituition.

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Re: Nancy Pelosi refuses to open chambers for president Trump's State of the Union address
Posted by: She owns it... ()
Date: January 16, 2019 02:40PM

President Trump FTW! Wrote:
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> It's his constitutional requirement. Americans
> love the Constitution and libs hate it. If Trump
> is so bad why are they scared shitless of him?

The House MAY INVITE the President to deliver the SOTU in their chambers. There is no right or obligation to it. It’s all up to Nancy whether to invite or not.

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Re: Nancy Pelosi refuses to open chambers for president Trump's State of the Union address
Posted by: no she doesn't ()
Date: January 16, 2019 02:51PM

She doesn't own it, she is just the temporary zookeeper.

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Re: Nancy Pelosi refuses to open chambers for president Trump's State of the Union address
Posted by: LetsRock ()
Date: January 16, 2019 02:52PM

She owns it... Wrote:
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> President Trump FTW! Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> ----
> > It's his constitutional requirement. Americans
> > love the Constitution and libs hate it. If
> Trump
> > is so bad why are they scared shitless of him?
>
> The House MAY INVITE the President to deliver the
> SOTU in their chambers. There is no right or
> obligation to it. It’s all up to Nancy whether
> to invite or not.


You are correct. The president is only required to issue a report to the Congress. He is not obligated to read it in their presence. The US did not start doing that until recently. President Trump can deliver it in the Senate if he wants a live audience.

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Re: Nancy Pelosi refuses to open chambers for president Trump's State of the Union address
Posted by: Get a room... ()
Date: January 16, 2019 03:12PM

He would have to ask. Senate chambers contemplate 100 members vs 435 in the House.

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Re: Nancy Pelosi refuses to open chambers for president Trump's State of the Union address
Posted by: 1790 called ()
Date: January 16, 2019 03:14PM

LetsRock Wrote:
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> She owns it... Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > President Trump FTW! Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > ----
> > > It's his constitutional requirement.
> Americans
> > > love the Constitution and libs hate it. If
> > Trump
> > > is so bad why are they scared shitless of
> him?
> >
> > The House MAY INVITE the President to deliver
> the
> > SOTU in their chambers. There is no right or
> > obligation to it. It’s all up to Nancy
> whether
> > to invite or not.
>
>
> You are correct. The president is only required
> to issue a report to the Congress. He is not
> obligated to read it in their presence. The US
> did not start doing that until recently.
> President Trump can deliver it in the Senate if
> he wants a live audience.


1790 is real recent. Are you a dumbass or just libtarded?

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Re: Nancy Pelosi refuses to open chambers for president Trump's State of the Union address
Posted by: KenD ()
Date: January 16, 2019 04:07PM

Nancy is acting like a child. Do your job and build the wall. You were all for it before but now you are not! You would rather support illegal aliens than Americans!

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Re: Nancy Pelosi refuses to open chambers for president Trump's State of the Union address
Posted by: Motorboating with Nancy ()
Date: January 16, 2019 04:22PM

The longer this goes on the more DEMs show the normies the idiots we already know them to be.

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Re: Nancy Pelosi refuses to open chambers for president Trump's State of the Union address
Posted by: Fancy Nancy ()
Date: January 16, 2019 04:23PM

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Re: Nancy Pelosi refuses to open chambers for president Trump's State of the Union address
Posted by: Don the Dummy ()
Date: January 16, 2019 04:35PM

‘I will be proud...’

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Re: Nancy Pelosi refuses to open chambers for president Trump's State of the Union address
Posted by: BenS ()
Date: January 16, 2019 04:38PM

Nancy lied and said it was due to security concerns. She never called the Secret Service who have been planning for this for a long time! There are no security concerns. She made the whole thing up. She is a big liar!

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Re: Nancy Pelosi refuses to open chambers for president Trump's State of the Union address
Posted by: Kim Jong Fat Boy ()
Date: January 16, 2019 04:41PM

Why don’t libtardz want to secure our country’s border? Every damn one of them has made a speech in favor of building a wall in the last 10 years. What has changed, other than TDS?

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Re: Nancy Pelosi refuses to open chambers for president Trump's State of the Union address
Posted by: Book him, Danno... ()
Date: January 16, 2019 04:43PM

Think she’s playing Don-Don and his phony border security crisis? LOL!

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Re: Nancy Pelosi refuses to open chambers for president Trump's State of the Union address
Posted by: Trump broke them ()
Date: January 16, 2019 05:35PM

Kim Jong Fat Boy Wrote:
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> Why don’t libtardz want to secure our
> country’s border? Every damn one of them has
> made a speech in favor of building a wall in the
> last 10 years. What has changed, other than TDS?


Americans aren't democrats. They need the illegal, unemployable, uneducated voter.

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Re: Nancy Pelosi refuses to open chambers for president Trump's State of the Union address
Posted by: Dr. Dan ()
Date: January 16, 2019 05:44PM

There is no need for a wall. What we actually do need is sanitariums to help dispel belief in ridiculous fantasies.

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Re: Nancy Pelosi refuses to open chambers for president Trump's State of the Union address
Posted by: Don# ()
Date: January 16, 2019 07:23PM

We need a wall to keep out the illegal aliens. Do you realize how much they take in welfare, hospital bills, free lunches, etc?

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Re: Nancy Pelosi refuses to open chambers for president Trump's State of the Union address
Posted by: State of the Union ()
Date: January 16, 2019 07:36PM

Don# Wrote:
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> We need a wall to keep out the illegal aliens. Do
> you realize how much they take in welfare,
> hospital bills, free lunches, etc?


Posting about the First Lady?

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Re: Nancy Pelosi refuses to open chambers for president Trump's State of the Union address
Posted by: Don# ()
Date: January 16, 2019 07:38PM

The First Lady is an American citizen.

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Re: Nancy Pelosi refuses to open chambers for president Trump's State of the Union address
Posted by: It's brilliant ()
Date: January 16, 2019 08:48PM

BenS Wrote:
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> Nancy lied and said it was due to security
> concerns. She never called the Secret Service who
> have been planning for this for a long time! There
> are no security concerns. She made the whole thing
> up. She is a big liar!

Why even call the Secret Service?@@ It's highly conceivable they wouldn't be at their best protecting so many VIPs with so much support staff furloughed.

Trump loves playing to a crowd. She just took that away for bad behavior :)

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Re: Nancy Pelosi refuses to open chambers for president Trump's State of the Union address
Posted by: The Facts ()
Date: January 16, 2019 09:03PM

It's brilliant Wrote:
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> BenS Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Nancy lied and said it was due to security
> > concerns. She never called the Secret Service
> who
> > have been planning for this for a long time!
> There
> > are no security concerns. She made the whole
> thing
> > up. She is a big liar!
>
> Why even call the Secret Service?@@ It's highly
> conceivable they wouldn't be at their best
> protecting so many VIPs with so much support staff
> furloughed.
>
> Trump loves playing to a crowd. She just took that
> away for bad behavior :)


He can still play to a crowd. The Senate can invite him and whomever from the House that would like to attend. If the Democrats are absent they will lose support of THE People. Nobody will support that childish game.

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Re: Nancy Pelosi refuses to open chambers for president Trump's State of the Union address
Posted by: xnu9x ()
Date: January 16, 2019 10:04PM

It's time to de-elect that incompetent infantile POS.Send her back to the unemployment line with no severance and no lifelong retirement parachutes.

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Re: Nancy Pelosi refuses to open chambers for president Trump's State of the Union address
Posted by: U. Derped ()
Date: January 16, 2019 10:06PM

Demoncrats exposed Wrote:
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> Once again demoncrats are obstructing the
> president of the United States to perform his
> job.
>
> What are they so scared of?


Trump trashing out country like he has been doing.

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Re: Nancy Pelosi refuses to open chambers for president Trump's State of the Union address
Posted by: Tommy J got it right ()
Date: January 16, 2019 11:10PM

President Trump FTW! Wrote:
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> Derrick Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Why give the big blow hard a platform You go
> > girl.
>
>
> It's his constitutional requirement. Americans
> love the Constitution and libs hate it. If Trump
> is so bad why are they scared shitless of him?


The Constitution requires the President to report to Congress on the state of the union. It says nothing about the President having to give that report in the form of a speach delivered in the House of Representatives. In fact beginning with Thomas Jefferson and ending with Wilson Presidents satisfied the requirement by delivering a written report.

Giving a speach from the floor of the House, while not a Constitutional require not is a tradition. The Speaker preventing it makes her look petty. If Pelosi wanted to make a point about the shutdown, a better alternative would have been to say no visitors present. With only members of the House, the Senate and the Supreme Court Justices plus a skeleton camera crew present the security needs would be lessened. Trump would still have friends in Congress to chear for him, but no props in the visitors gallery.

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Re: Nancy Pelosi refuses to open chambers for president Trump's State of the Union address
Posted by: paychecks ()
Date: January 16, 2019 11:29PM

The Facts Wrote:
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> It's brilliant Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > BenS Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Nancy lied and said it was due to security
> > > concerns. She never called the Secret Service
> > who
> > > have been planning for this for a long time!
> > There
> > > are no security concerns. She made the whole
> > thing
> > > up. She is a big liar!
> >
> > Why even call the Secret Service?@@ It's highly
> > conceivable they wouldn't be at their best
> > protecting so many VIPs with so much support
> staff
> > furloughed.
> >
> > Trump loves playing to a crowd. She just took
> that
> > away for bad behavior :)
>
>
> He can still play to a crowd. The Senate can
> invite him and whomever from the House that would
> like to attend. If the Democrats are absent they
> will lose support of THE People. Nobody will
> support that childish game.

I think it's childish to throw an optional speech while forcing security to work unpaid and understaffed. Get paychecks going again and then throw the speech.

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Re: Nancy Pelosi refuses to open chambers for president Trump's State of the Union address
Posted by: Rain check... ()
Date: January 17, 2019 10:33AM

The SOTU is the most ticklish security event of the year. To do it under sub-optimal shutdown conditions would show only a reckless disregard for public safety.

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Re: Nancy Pelosi refuses to open chambers for president Trump's State of the Union address
Posted by: Trump not welcome ()
Date: January 17, 2019 10:46AM

I'm smiling today simply knowing that Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez has floor privileges in both the House and Senate while Donald Trump has neither. If he tried to enter without an invitation, he would be accosted by the Sergeant-at-Arms and eventually Capitol Police and forcibly evicted. LOL!

@AOC

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Re: Nancy Pelosi refuses to open chambers for president Trump's State of the Union address
Posted by: sorry to burst your bubble ()
Date: January 17, 2019 11:27AM

Trump not welcome Wrote:
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> I'm smiling today simply knowing that Alexandria
> Ocasio-Cortez has floor privileges in both the
> House and Senate while Donald Trump has neither.
> If he tried to enter without an invitation, he
> would be accosted by the Sergeant-at-Arms and
> eventually Capitol Police and forcibly evicted.
> LOL!
>
> @AOC


I hope I don't take away your smile when I tell you that the President has standing floor privileges in both the House and the Senate. Your fantasy of him getting accosted by the Sergeant-at-arms must be heartwarming to you, but it just won't happen. He can walk onto either floor at any time and stay as long as he wants.

Sorry to burst your bubble.

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Re: Nancy Pelosi refuses to open chambers for president Trump's State of the Union address
Posted by: Parliamentarian ()
Date: January 17, 2019 12:38PM

Each chamber creates and maintains its own rules. Senate Rule XXIII for instance is exclusionary. No one who is not the Vice President or a Senator has standing floor privileges. A long list of others who may be exercising official duties MAY be allowed onto the floor while the Senate is in session, but none of them has such a right of his or her own.

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Re: Nancy Pelosi refuses to open chambers for president Trump's State of the Union address
Posted by: Rule 23 ()
Date: January 17, 2019 12:53PM

Word for word:

Other than the Vice President and Senators, no person shall be admitted to the floor of the Senate while in session, except as follows:

The President of the United States and his private secretary.

The President elect and Vice President elect of the United States.

ExPresidents and exVice Presidents of the United States.

Judges of the Supreme Court.

Ex-Senators and Senators elect, except as provided in paragraph 2.

The officers and employees of the Senate in the discharge of their official duties.

Ex-Secretaries and ex-Sergeants at Arms of the Senate, except as provided in paragraph 2.

Members of the House of Representatives and Members elect.

Ex-Speakers of the House of Representatives, except as provided in paragraph 2.

The Sergeant at Arms of the House and his chief deputy and the Clerk of the House and his deputy.

Heads of the Executive Departments.

Ambassadors and Ministers of the United States.

Governors of States and Territories.

Members of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

The General Commanding the Army.

The Senior Admiral of the Navy on the active list.

Members of National Legislatures of foreign countries and Members of the European Parliament.

Judges of the Court of Claims.

The Mayor of the District of Columbia.

The Librarian of Congress and the Assistant Librarian in charge of the Law Library.

The Architect of the Capitol.

The Chaplain of the House of Representatives.

The Secretary of the Smithsonian Institution.

The Parliamentarian Emeritus of the Senate.

Members of the staffs of committees of the Senate and joint committees of the Congress when in the discharge of their official duties and employees in the office of a Senator when inthe discharge of their official duties (but in each case subject to such rules or regulations as may be prescribed by the Committee on Rules and Administration). Senate committee staff members and employees in the office of a Senator must be on the payroll of the Senate and members of joint committee staffs must be on the payroll of the Senate or the House of Representatives.





Would you like me to tell you the House Rule?

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Re: Nancy Pelosi refuses to open chambers for president Trump's State of the Union address
Posted by: Parliamentarian ()
Date: January 17, 2019 01:14PM

Rule 23 Wrote:
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> Would you like me to tell you the House Rule?

As you so thoroughly misunderstood the exclusionary nature of the Senate rule, there would be little reason to expect that you could accurately describe a House rule either.

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Re: Nancy Pelosi refuses to open chambers for president Trump's State of the Union address
Posted by: Rule 23 ()
Date: January 17, 2019 01:34PM

There is no exclusionary language. The language above is word for word.

If you still contend there is exclusionary language, post it in your reply.

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Re: Nancy Pelosi refuses to open chambers for president Trump's State of the Union address
Posted by: Parliamentarian ()
Date: January 17, 2019 02:22PM

The problem is not with the wording of Rule XXIII, but with your inability to understand it.

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Re: Nancy Pelosi refuses to open chambers for president Trump's State of the Union address
Posted by: Senate Rule 23 House Rule 4 ()
Date: January 17, 2019 02:43PM

Parliamentarian Wrote:
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> The problem is not with the wording of Rule XXIII,
> but with your inability to understand it.


You dodged the question. Post the exclusionary language to which you are referring.

You won't because you can't as it does not exist. In fact, the President's ability to access both the House and Senate floors is, as the language in the rules makes clear, completely unconditional.

Once again, you got beat down, and now you are making a feeble attempt to save face. And, once again, it isn't working and only making you look dumber.

Here's House Rule 4. No "exclusionary" language either.

2. (a) Only the following persons shall be admitted to the Hall of the House or rooms leading thereto:
(1) Members of Congress, Members- elect, and contestants in election cases during the pendency of their cases on the floor.
(2) The Delegates and the Resident Commissioner.
(3) The President and Vice President of the United States and their private secretaries.
(4) Justices of the Supreme Court.
(5) Elected officers and minority employees nominated as elected officers of the House.
(6) The Parliamentarian.
(7) Staff of committees when business from their committee is under consideration, and staff of the respective party leaderships when so assigned with the approval of the Speaker.
(8) Not more than one person from the staff of a Member, Delegate, or Resident Commissioner when that Member, Delegate, or Resident Commissioner has an amendment under consideration (subject to clause 5).
(9) The Architect of the Capitol.
(10) The Librarian of Congress and the assistant in charge of the Law Library. (11) The Secretary and Sergeant-at- Arms of the Senate.
(12) Heads of departments.
(13) Foreign ministers.
(14) Governors of States.
(15) Former Members, Delegates, and Resident Commissioners; former Parliamentarians of the House; and former elected officers and minority employees nominated as elected officers of the House (subject to clause 4).
(16) One attorney to accompany a Member, Delegate, or Resident Commissioner who is the respondent in an investigation undertaken by the Committee on Ethics when a recommendation of that committee is under consideration in the House.
(17) Such persons as have, by name, received the thanks of Congress.

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Re: Nancy Pelosi refuses to open chambers for president Trump's State of the Union address
Posted by: Parliamentarian ()
Date: January 17, 2019 02:55PM

The QUESTION is now actually over how anyone can so thoroughly misunderstand the plain language of the rules. One that starts with the word ‘only’ is exclusionary by definition, a fact expanded and further underscored by the transient and noninfinite nature of the subsequent enumerations.

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Re: Nancy Pelosi refuses to open chambers for president Trump's State of the Union address
Posted by: The Fast Food Fascist ()
Date: January 17, 2019 02:58PM

Demoncrats exposed Wrote:
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> Once again demoncrats are obstructing the
> president of the United States to perform his
> job.

Nobody at all is stopping him from doing his job. The SOTU can be written on the back of a pizza box for all the constitution cares. Nothing requires he deliver it orally or from the House. He could post it on twitter or record it from the 8th tee at mar a lago. Trump needs to just man-up here and stop whining.

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Re: Nancy Pelosi refuses to open chambers for president Trump's State of the Union address
Posted by: Senate Rule 23 House Rule 4 ()
Date: January 17, 2019 02:59PM

Parliamentarian Wrote:
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> The QUESTION is now actually over how anyone can
> so thoroughly misunderstand the plain language of
> the rules. One that starts with the word
> ‘only’ is exclusionary by definition, a fact
> expanded and further underscored by the transient
> and noninfinite nature of the subsequent
> enumerations.

Still dodged the question.

Nothing you've stated refutes the fact that the President has floor privileges in both chambers of Congress. In fact, the rules state rather explicitly that the President has standing floor privileges to both, which makes you just plain wrong.

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Re: Nancy Pelosi refuses to open chambers for president Trump's State of the Union address
Posted by: SWAir ()
Date: January 17, 2019 03:39PM

That's OK. Trump just declared the house chamber a no fly zone. How low can these two go?

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Re: Nancy Pelosi refuses to open chambers for president Trump's State of the Union address
Posted by: Parliamentarian ()
Date: January 17, 2019 03:46PM

Weak-kneed babbling is the last line of defense for scoundrels. You have not managed to grasp what is the BASIC language of either rule.

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Re: Nancy Pelosi refuses to open chambers for president Trump's State of the Union address
Posted by: Sargent at Arms ()
Date: January 17, 2019 03:55PM

SWAir Wrote:
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> That's OK. Trump just declared the house chamber
> a no fly zone. How low can these two go?


Is that a serious question or just rhetorical?

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Re: Nancy Pelosi refuses to open chambers for president Trump's State of the Union address
Posted by: Senate Rule 23 House Rule 4 ()
Date: January 17, 2019 04:07PM

Parliamentarian Wrote:
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> Weak-kneed babbling is the last line of defense
> for scoundrels. You have not managed to grasp
> what is the BASIC language of either rule.

The BASIC language states that the President has floor privileges to both chambers. Those privileges are without any conditions whatsoever. He is free to go on either floor as he chooses. And, until the rules of either chamber change, that will be the case no matter how stupidly you attempt to contend otherwise.

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Re: Nancy Pelosi refuses to open chambers for president Trump's State of the Union address
Posted by: He's right you know. ()
Date: January 17, 2019 04:21PM

Senate Rule 23 House Rule 4 Wrote:
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>
> The BASIC language states that the President has
> floor privileges to both chambers. Those
> privileges are without any conditions whatsoever.
> He is free to go on either floor as he chooses.
> And, until the rules of either chamber change,
> that will be the case no matter how stupidly you
> attempt to contend otherwise.

I'm a different person, but you're wrong.

The President doesn't have standing floor privileges.
He has to be invited to speak, he's not a member of Congress.
You know, separation of powers and all.

He has the exact same floor privileges as the Mayor of DC.
Sure, he could technically lurk, but not deliver a speech or cause commotion.
Again,the Mayor of DC or Secretary of the Smithsonian can't do it, they are literally on the same list in the rule.
If he was being disruptive the Speaker could boot him.

Need proof? Here it is straight from the OPM...
Nowhere does it say the President has more rights than any other on the list.
https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/GPO-RIDDICK-1992/pdf/GPO-RIDDICK-1992-61.pdf

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Re: Nancy Pelosi refuses to open chambers for president Trump's State of the Union address
Posted by: Parliamentaian ()
Date: January 17, 2019 04:29PM

Senate Rule 23 House Rule 4 Wrote:
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> The BASIC language states that the President has
> floor privileges to both chambers. Those
> privileges are without any conditions whatsoever.
> He is free to go on either floor as he chooses.
> And, until the rules of either chamber change,
> that will be the case no matter how stupidly you
> attempt to contend otherwise.

I AM the same guy, and your facility with basic English is simply abysmal.

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Re: Nancy Pelosi refuses to open chambers for president Trump's State of the Union address
Posted by: Black Caulk ()
Date: January 17, 2019 04:33PM

Hahahahahha. Trump is a loser. He and his supporters need to wash the sand out of their vaginas. They got beat by an old woman. Sad.

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Re: Nancy Pelosi refuses to open chambers for president Trump's State of the Union address
Posted by: Senate Rule 23 House Rule 4 ()
Date: January 17, 2019 04:37PM

He's right you know. Wrote:
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> Senate Rule 23 House Rule 4 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> >
> > The BASIC language states that the President
> has
> > floor privileges to both chambers. Those
> > privileges are without any conditions
> whatsoever.
> > He is free to go on either floor as he chooses.
>
> > And, until the rules of either chamber change,
> > that will be the case no matter how stupidly
> you
> > attempt to contend otherwise.
>
> I'm a different person, but you're wrong.
>
> The President doesn't have standing floor
> privileges.
> He has to be invited to speak, he's not a member
> of Congress.
> You know, separation of powers and all.
>
> He has the exact same floor privileges as
> the Mayor of DC.
> Sure, he could technically lurk, but not deliver a
> speech or cause commotion.
> Again,the Mayor of DC or Secretary of the
> Smithsonian can't do it, they are literally on
> the same list in the rule
.
> If he was being disruptive the Speaker could boot
> him.
>
> Need proof? Here it is straight from the OPM...
> Nowhere does it say the President has more rights
> than any other on the list.
> https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/GPO-RIDDICK-19
> 92/pdf/GPO-RIDDICK-1992-61.pdf

Nobody is claiming he has more rights than anyone else on the list. You either aren't too bright or you are moving the goalposts in a weak attempt to obfuscate.

The original assertion was this: "Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez has floor privileges in both the House and Senate while Donald Trump has neither."

You'll note that there was no mention of either's ability to deliver a speech to either chamber. While it is easy to understand that AOC can speak on the House floor when recognized by the Speaker or Speaker Pro Tem, she is not afforded the same rights on the Senate floor.

You are mischaracterizing what the term floor privileges actually entails. It isn't about the ability to speak. Rather it is about access to each chamber's floor. As the rules explicitly state, the President has unconditional floor privileges to both chambers.

Answer this question. Under the current rules of either body, can the President be denied the right to walk onto the floor of either chamber? If so, under what conditions?

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Re: Nancy Pelosi refuses to open chambers for president Trump's State of the Union address
Posted by: enate Rule 23 House Rule 4 ()
Date: January 17, 2019 04:40PM

Parliamentaian Wrote:
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> Senate Rule 23 House Rule 4 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The BASIC language states that the President
> has
> > floor privileges to both chambers. Those
> > privileges are without any conditions
> whatsoever.
> > He is free to go on either floor as he chooses.
>
> > And, until the rules of either chamber change,
> > that will be the case no matter how stupidly
> you
> > attempt to contend otherwise.
>
> I AM the same guy, and your facility with basic
> English is simply abysmal.


Yes. You are the same idiot. I'm not the one implying that the President's access to either chamber's floor has conditions placed on it. To wit, the President possesses unconditional floor privileges to both chambers which is why you can't point to any language saying otherwise.

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Re: Nancy Pelosi refuses to open chambers for president Trump's State of the Union address
Posted by: Black Caulk ()
Date: January 17, 2019 05:08PM

Trump can show up, but in order to be recognized to speak to both the Senate and House he specifically has to be given permission to do so by a joint resolution. While I don’t think any President has been denied that permission, Pelosi can stop him simply by refusing to allow the resolution come to a vote in the House.

And I hope she does exactly that. Why give the gas bag any free air time? It’s his shutdown. He can choke on it while his whorebag wife is st the Whitehouse getting nailed by 7 kinds of cock.

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Re: Nancy Pelosi refuses to open chambers for president Trump's State of the Union address
Posted by: He's still right ()
Date: January 17, 2019 05:55PM

Senate Rule 23 House Rule 4 Wrote:
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> > Nobody is claiming he has more rights than anyone
> else on the list. You either aren't too bright or
> you are moving the goalposts in a weak attempt to
> obfuscate.
>
> The original assertion was this: "Alexandria
> Ocasio-Cortez has floor privileges in both the
> House and Senate while Donald Trump has neither."
>
> You'll note that there was no mention of either's
> ability to deliver a speech to either chamber.
> While it is easy to understand that AOC can speak
> on the House floor when recognized by the Speaker
> or Speaker Pro Tem, she is not afforded the same
> rights on the Senate floor.
>
> You are mischaracterizing what the term floor
> privileges actually entails. It isn't about the
> ability to speak. Rather it is about access to
> each chamber's floor. As the rules explicitly
> state, the President has unconditional floor
> privileges to both chambers.
>
> Answer this question. Under the current rules of
> either body, can the President be denied the right
> to walk onto the floor of either chamber? If so,
> under what conditions?


Talk about moving the goalposts!

- I wasn't going back to AOC having Senate privileges. (She doesn't)
I'm talking about your assertion Parliamentarian is incorrect.

- YOU stated:
Posted by: Senate Rule 23 House Rule 4 ()
Date: January 17, 2019 02:59PM
"In fact, the rules state rather explicitly that the President has standing floor privileges to both, which makes you just plain wrong."


"Standing floor privileges" are the ability to speak and you said the President has it. (He doesn't and it looks like you're trying to obfuscate.)

Yes, the President can come on a floor in session. He can't go up and speak and he can also be removed by the Speaker. He can also be removed from the Supreme Court in session. Again, separation of powers; Executive, Legislative, Judicial.

This isn't a monarchy. Trump can swing his tiny dick around the White House and his hotel, but not on the Hill.

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Re: Nancy Pelosi refuses to open chambers for president Trump's State of the Union address
Posted by: You Mad? ()
Date: January 17, 2019 05:59PM

Black Caulk Wrote:
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> Trump can show up, but in order to be recognized
> to speak to both the Senate and House he
> specifically has to be given permission to do so
> by a joint resolution. While I don’t think any
> President has been denied that permission, Pelosi
> can stop him simply by refusing to allow the
> resolution come to a vote in the House.
>
> And I hope she does exactly that. Why give the
> gas bag any free air time? It’s his shutdown.
> He can choke on it while his whorebag wife is st
> the Whitehouse getting nailed by 7 kinds of cock.


Yep, You Mad.
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Re: Nancy Pelosi refuses to open chambers for president Trump's State of the Union address
Posted by: Triggly Puff ()
Date: January 17, 2019 06:11PM

Libs are triggered as fuck!!!!!

I'm lovin' it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: Nancy Pelosi refuses to open chambers for president Trump's State of the Union address
Posted by: Senate Rule 23 House Rule 4 ()
Date: January 17, 2019 06:32PM

He's still right Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Senate Rule 23 House Rule 4 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > > Nobody is claiming he has more rights than
> anyone
> > else on the list. You either aren't too bright
> or
> > you are moving the goalposts in a weak attempt
> to
> > obfuscate.
> >
> > The original assertion was this: "Alexandria
> > Ocasio-Cortez has floor privileges in both the
> > House and Senate while Donald Trump has
> neither."
> >
> > You'll note that there was no mention of
> either's
> > ability to deliver a speech to either chamber.
> > While it is easy to understand that AOC can
> speak
> > on the House floor when recognized by the
> Speaker
> > or Speaker Pro Tem, she is not afforded the
> same
> > rights on the Senate floor.
> >
> > You are mischaracterizing what the term floor
> > privileges actually entails. It isn't about
> the
> > ability to speak. Rather it is about access to
> > each chamber's floor. As the rules explicitly
> > state, the President has unconditional floor
> > privileges to both chambers.
> >
> > Answer this question. Under the current rules
> of
> > either body, can the President be denied the
> right
> > to walk onto the floor of either chamber? If
> so,
> > under what conditions?
>
>
> Talk about moving the goalposts!
>
> - I wasn't going back to AOC having Senate
> privileges. (She doesn't)
> I'm talking about your assertion Parliamentarian
> is incorrect.
>
> - YOU stated:
> Posted by: Senate Rule 23 House Rule 4 ()
> Date: January 17, 2019 02:59PM
> "In fact, the rules state rather explicitly that
> the President has standing floor privileges to
> both, which makes you just plain wrong."

>
> "Standing floor privileges" are the ability
> to speak and you said the President has it. (He
> doesn't and it looks like you're trying to
> obfuscate.)
>
> Yes, the President can come on a floor in session.
> He can't go up and speak and he can also be
> removed by the Speaker. He can also be removed
> from the Supreme Court in session. Again,
> separation of powers; Executive, Legislative,
> Judicial.
>
> This isn't a monarchy. Trump can swing his tiny
> dick around the White House and his hotel, but not
> on the Hill.

The ability to speak on the floor and floor privileges are two different things. In fact, Rule 23 is entitled "Privilege of the Floor" and it clearly includes the President.

Your emphasis on the term "standing" doesn't carry any weight either. It isnt a technical term implying the ability to speak. Rather, it means
remaining in force or use; permanent. As in "he has a standing invitation to visit them." Look it up in a dictionary.

Again, nobody asserted he had the ability to speak in either chamber anytime he wants. All that was asserted was that, under the rules of both bodies, he enjoys floor privileges.

Remember, this whole thing started because some uninformed dope contended AOC had floor privileges in both chambers and POTUS didn't. I pointed out that it was false and backed it up. Parliamentarian attempted to muddy the waters by implying there was some sort of "exclusionary nature" to the rule which, of course, there isn't and you concede as much.

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Re: Nancy Pelosi refuses to open chambers for president Trump's State of the Union address
Posted by: Black Caulk ()
Date: January 17, 2019 07:39PM

Triggly Puff Wrote:
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> Libs are triggered as fuck!!!!!
>
> I'm lovin' it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Not as half as mad as you’re gonna be when president refuses to pardon the commie cocksucker.

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Re: Nancy Pelosi refuses to open chambers for president Trump's State of the Union address
Posted by: He’s still right ()
Date: January 17, 2019 10:15PM

> Senate Rule 23 House Rule 4 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> Your emphasis on the term "standing" doesn't carry any weight either. It isnt a > technical term implying the ability to speak. Rather, it means
> remaining in force or use; permanent. As in "he has a standing invitation to > > visit them." Look it up in the dictionary.

If you’re going to be a smart-ass, at least back it up with real knowledge.
The Standing Rules of the Senate designate, among many things, how much and when a Senator can speak. So to have standing floor privilege IS the ability to speak under the rules.
It’s VERY real and carrys LOTS of weight.
But don’t believe me, here they are on the government website.
https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CDOC-113sdoc18/pdf/CDOC-113sdoc18.pdf

No wonder the other guy is mocking you.

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Re: Nancy Pelosi refuses to open chambers for president Trump's State of the Union address
Posted by: causeican ()
Date: January 17, 2019 11:45PM

Does she really want to mess with Trump? Her thinking so, questions her ability to make any decision correctly.

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Re: Nancy Pelosi refuses to open chambers for president Trump's State of the Union address
Posted by: Senate Rule 23 House Rule 4 ()
Date: January 18, 2019 01:08AM

He’s still right Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> > Senate Rule 23 House Rule 4 Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > Your emphasis on the term "standing" doesn't
> carry any weight either. It isnt a > technical
> term implying the ability to speak. Rather, it
> means
> > remaining in force or use; permanent. As in "he
> has a standing invitation to > > visit them." Look
> it up in the dictionary.
>
> If you’re going to be a smart-ass, at least back
> it up with real knowledge.
> The Standing Rules of the Senate designate, among
> many things, how much and when a Senator can
> speak. So to have standing floor privilege IS the
> ability to speak under the rules.
> It’s VERY real and carrys LOTS of weight.
> But don’t believe me, here they are on the
> government website.
> https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CDOC-113sdoc18
> /pdf/CDOC-113sdoc18.pdf
>
> No wonder the other guy is mocking you.

It's very simple.

Does the President have the ability to walk on either floor of Congress? Yes or no?

What does the term "standing" mean in terms of the Senate rules?

Here's a hint: https://www.senate.gov/reference/reference_index_subjects/Rules_and_Procedure_vrd.htm

Who is allowed under the Rules of the Senate to have floor privileges?

Here's a hint:
https://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/minute/Floor_Privlieges.htm

I'm now mocking you and him because your idiots. FWIW, I've held floor privileges in both the House and Senate. You?

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Re: Nancy Pelosi refuses to open chambers for president Trump's State of the Union address
Posted by: Jennifer Lopez ()
Date: January 18, 2019 01:34AM

Trump not welcome Wrote:
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> I'm smiling today simply knowing that Alexandria
> Ocasio-Cortez has floor privileges in both the
> House and Senate while Donald Trump has neither.
> If he tried to enter without an invitation, he
> would be accosted by the Sergeant-at-Arms and
> eventually Capitol Police and forcibly evicted.
> LOL!
>
> @AOC

Yes, but AOC has... other... interests?????????????? AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAA!
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Re: Nancy Pelosi refuses to open chambers for president Trump's State of the Union address
Posted by: sureokkk ()
Date: January 18, 2019 08:01AM

Trump is a sick man an should be helped.

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Re: Nancy Pelosi refuses to open chambers for president Trump's State of the Union address
Posted by: He’s still right ()
Date: January 18, 2019 10:09AM

Senate Rule 23 House Rule 4 Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> He’s still right Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > > Senate Rule 23 House Rule 4 Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > Your emphasis on the term "standing" doesn't
> > carry any weight either. It isnt a > technical
> > term implying the ability to speak. Rather, it
> > means
> > > remaining in force or use; permanent. As in
> "he
> > has a standing invitation to > > visit them."
> Look
> > it up in the dictionary.
> >
> > If you’re going to be a smart-ass, at least
> back
> > it up with real knowledge.
> > The Standing Rules of the Senate designate,
> among
> > many things, how much and when a Senator can
> > speak. So to have standing floor privilege IS
> the
> > ability to speak under the rules.
> > It’s VERY real and carrys LOTS of weight.
> > But don’t believe me, here they are on the
> > government website.
> >
> https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CDOC-113sdoc18
>
> > /pdf/CDOC-113sdoc18.pdf
> >
> > No wonder the other guy is mocking you.
>
> It's very simple.
>
> Does the President have the ability to walk on
> either floor of Congress? Yes or no?
>
> What does the term "standing" mean in terms of the
> Senate rules?
>
> Here's a hint:
> https://www.senate.gov/reference/reference_index_s
> ubjects/Rules_and_Procedure_vrd.htm
>
> Who is allowed under the Rules of the Senate to
> have floor privileges?
>
> Here's a hint:
> https://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/minut
> e/Floor_Privlieges.htm
>
> I'm now mocking you and him because your idiots.
> FWIW, I've held floor privileges in both the House
> and Senate. You?

No shorty, you're still moving the goalposts.
Go look, I've said all along the President has floor privileges.
He can be on the floor while in session.
So why do you keep asking like I haven't answered?

You've repeatedly said the President has "standing floor privileges".
You're implying he has the same privileges as any current Congress critter in the Senate following the "Standing Rules of the Senate".
He does not. He only has permission to be on the floor during session.
The rules you're using in your name don't prove otherwise and you know it.

LOL! at your thought that having floor privileges is impressive! Congrats, you had the same privileges as 90% of the people working in Rayburn, Cannon, Hart, and Russell buildings.

Just admit it. The President cannot go on the floor while in session and speak without an invitation. Because that is exactly what I'm saying.

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Re: Nancy Pelosi refuses to open chambers for president Trump's State of the Union address
Posted by: Clean-up in Aisle-5 ()
Date: January 18, 2019 10:23AM

What happens to carrion is vultures.

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Re: Nancy Pelosi refuses to open chambers for president Trump's State of the Union address
Posted by: Senate Rule 23 House Rule 4 ()
Date: January 18, 2019 11:24AM

He’s still right Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Senate Rule 23 House Rule 4 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > He’s still right Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > > Senate Rule 23 House Rule 4 Wrote:
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > >
> > > > Your emphasis on the term "standing"
> doesn't
> > > carry any weight either. It isnt a >
> technical
> > > term implying the ability to speak. Rather,
> it
> > > means
> > > > remaining in force or use; permanent. As in
> > "he
> > > has a standing invitation to > > visit them."
> > Look
> > > it up in the dictionary.
> > >
> > > If you’re going to be a smart-ass, at least
> > back
> > > it up with real knowledge.
> > > The Standing Rules of the Senate designate,
> > among
> > > many things, how much and when a Senator can
> > > speak. So to have standing floor privilege IS
> > the
> > > ability to speak under the rules.
> > > It’s VERY real and carrys LOTS of weight.
> > > But don’t believe me, here they are on the
> > > government website.
> > >
> >
> https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CDOC-113sdoc18
>
> >
> > > /pdf/CDOC-113sdoc18.pdf
> > >
> > > No wonder the other guy is mocking you.
> >
> > It's very simple.
> >
> > Does the President have the ability to walk on
> > either floor of Congress? Yes or no?
> >
> > What does the term "standing" mean in terms of
> the
> > Senate rules?
> >
> > Here's a hint:
> >
> https://www.senate.gov/reference/reference_index_s
>
> > ubjects/Rules_and_Procedure_vrd.htm
> >
> > Who is allowed under the Rules of the Senate to
> > have floor privileges?
> >
> > Here's a hint:
> >
> https://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/minut
>
> > e/Floor_Privlieges.htm
> >
> > I'm now mocking you and him because your
> idiots.
> > FWIW, I've held floor privileges in both the
> House
> > and Senate. You?
>
> No shorty, you're still moving the goalposts.
> Go look, I've said all along the President
> has floor privileges.
> He can be on the floor while in session.
> So why do you keep asking like I haven't
> answered?

To reaffirm what I have stated in this thread and not have it convoluted by a know-nothing like you. You can't point to a single place where I stated or implied POTUS had the right to speak on either floor.

> You've repeatedly said the President has "standing
> floor privileges".


He does and those privileges are granted to him by the Standing Rules of the Senate and the Rules of the House. Rule 23 of the Standing Rules of the Senate and Rule 4 of the House to be exact.


> You're implying he has the same privileges as any
> current Congress critter in the Senate following
> the "Standing Rules of the Senate".

No, I am not. This stems from you lack of understanding of the definition of the word "standing" despite the fact I gave you the definition. Standing does not imply the ability to speak. Once again, consult with the dictionary.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/standing

See 3a and 4. Does this make sense to you yet?

His privilege is remaining at the same level, degree, or amount for an indeterminate period and established by law (rule) or custom, ie. a standing privilege.

I'm not quite certain why you seem to believe that the term "standing" implies the ability to speak on either floor. It does not.


> He does not. He only has permission to be
> on the floor during session.
> The rules you're using in your name don't prove
> otherwise and you know it.

And, in no single instance have I stated or implied that he has the right to speak.

> LOL! at your thought that having floor privileges
> is impressive!

Had not have.

> Congrats, you had the same
> privileges as 90% of the people working in
> Rayburn, Cannon, Hart, and Russell buildings.

And Longworth, Dirsken, O'Neill and Ford.

> Just admit it. The President cannot go on the
> floor while in session and speak without an
> invitation. Because that is exactly what
> I'm saying.

I never said differently and you can't point to a place where I have. I am saying the same thing and have said so all along. You seem to be having trouble understanding the plain meaning of the word standing. That is not my fault.

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Re: Nancy Pelosi refuses to open chambers for president Trump's State of the Union address
Posted by: how things stand ()
Date: July 17, 2019 01:13PM

Reminder: The President still enjoys standing floor privileges. Meanwhile, Speaker Pelosi had her privilege to speak on the floor temporarily suspended yesterday for violating House Rules.

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