How can Fairfax County Police not have a civilian review board after all the mistakes and cover ups they have had in the last 5-6 years. They just keep fucking up and killing innocent people and we just put up with their stonewalling and delays. The time is right for a civilian review board to cut through this bullshit and help us get some answers.

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Obviously the answer is to keep spamming all the FFXU cop threads.

WTFAYTA Wrote:
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> How can Fairfax County Police not have a civilian
> review board after all the mistakes and cover ups
> they have had in the last 5-6 years. They just
> keep fucking up and killing innocent people and we
> just put up with their stonewalling and delays.
> The time is right for a civilian review board to
> cut through this bullshit and help us get some
> answers.

YoU must be from Kalifornia. Got tough out there and you moved your Kalifornia bullshit thinking ass here. Please move back and take that bullshit with you.

chuckhoffmann Wrote:
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> WTFAYTA Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > How can Fairfax County Police not have a
> civilian
> > review board after all the mistakes and cover
> ups
> > they have had in the last 5-6 years. They just
> > keep fucking up and killing innocent people and
> we
> > just put up with their stonewalling and
> delays.
> > The time is right for a civilian review board
> to
> > cut through this bullshit and help us get some
> > answers.
>
> There have been calls since at least the 1970's
> for the FCPD to have a civilian oversight board,
> or for more than half of its existence, and the
> FCPD so far has been able to turn away every one
> of them.
>
> Nick Beltrante's Virginia Citizens Coalition for
> Police Accountability was the most recent Quixote
> to tilt at this windmill, and they had as much
> success as all the other calls for creating a
> civilian oversight board, which is to say none.
>
> With former "cop's cop" Dave Rohrer firmly
> ensconced as the DCEx for public safety, I'll
> predict that independent civilian oversight of the
> FCPD is as much of a pipe dream as it ever


You seem very knowledgable, what in your opinion is the holdup and stumbling block to such a benign civilian board? How has the FCPD been able to keep a fairly conservative Board of Supervisors from at a minimum creating a toothless review board.

There have been MULTIPLE deadly police shootings in the County in the last years and the FCPD is able to delay justice and remain unaccountable for most of them. This last one is the most egregious, a FCPD officer (still remains nameless) shot John Geer in the door way of his home, in broad daylight with video and eyewitnesses AND GEER IS UNARMED! This was after the FCPD had been there for over an hour negotiating and assessing the situation trying to get him to either come out or let them in. SWAT had been called in because his estranged Girl friend told the police he had a weapon in the house. Geer had committed no crime and was in his home. That was nine months ago and the County DA just turned it over to the Feds for them to investigate. This is unacceptable, how can this nameless cop who murdered this man remain unaccountable for nine months?

This deadly shooting along with multiple others in the County, FAIRFAX COUNTY, this is not DC, shows a police force that has major issues and needs someone other than themselves policing them.

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WTFAYTA Wrote:
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> chuckhoffmann Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > WTFAYTA Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > How can Fairfax County Police not have a
> > civilian
> > > review board after all the mistakes and cover
> > ups
> > > they have had in the last 5-6 years. They
> just
> > > keep fucking up and killing innocent people
> and
> > we
> > > just put up with their stonewalling and
> > delays.
> > > The time is right for a civilian review board
> > to
> > > cut through this bullshit and help us get
> some
> > > answers.
> >
> > There have been calls since at least the 1970's
> > for the FCPD to have a civilian oversight
> board,
> > or for more than half of its existence, and the
> > FCPD so far has been able to turn away every
> one
> > of them.
> >
> > Nick Beltrante's Virginia Citizens Coalition
> for
> > Police Accountability was the most recent
> Quixote
> > to tilt at this windmill, and they had as much
> > success as all the other calls for creating a
> > civilian oversight board, which is to say none.
> >
> > With former "cop's cop" Dave Rohrer firmly
> > ensconced as the DCEx for public safety, I'll
> > predict that independent civilian oversight of
> the
> > FCPD is as much of a pipe dream as it ever
>
>
> You seem very knowledgable, what in your opinion
> is the holdup and stumbling block to such a benign
> civilian board? How has the FCPD been able to
> keep a fairly conservative Board of Supervisors
> from at a minimum creating a toothless review
> board.
>
> There have been MULTIPLE deadly police shootings
> in the County in the last years and the FCPD is
> able to delay justice and remain unaccountable for
> most of them. This last one is the most egregious,
> a FCPD officer (still remains nameless) shot John
> Geer in the door way of his home, in broad
> daylight with video and eyewitnesses AND GEER IS
> UNARMED! This was after the FCPD had been there
> for over an hour negotiating and assessing the
> situation trying to get him to either come out or
> let them in. SWAT had been called in because his
> estranged Girl friend told the police he had a
> weapon in the house. Geer had committed no crime
> and was in his home. That was nine months ago and
> the County DA just turned it over to the Feds for
> them to investigate. This is unacceptable, how
> can this nameless cop who murdered this man remain
> unaccountable for nine months?
>
> This deadly shooting along with multiple others in
> the County, FAIRFAX COUNTY, this is not DC, shows
> a police force that has major issues and needs
> someone other than themselves policing them.

I am wondering as a home owner that pays taxes and raising my children here in Fairfax County.

WTFAYTA, what experience, training, or expertise do you have to sit and review what police officers do to determine what the officers did was right or wrong?

Please explain who YOU want to be sitting on this "citizen review board" and just what would their training, experience, expertise would these people have? Just what role would this board play? What power would the board have?

Waiting for your answers as the rest of the readers here.

WoNdering?? Wrote:
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> Waiting for your answers as the rest of the
> readers here.

Speak for yourself. The notion that only the "experts" are fit to oversee actions is not only contrary to American tradition, but has also resulted in a number of blunders.

The problem with a Civilian Police Review Board as I see it is that unless the Board of Supervisors, the Commonweath's Attorney office and possibly senior police officials buy into the idea that civilian oversight is needed, or at least beneficial, the board will either become co-opted, or it will be ignored. OTOH if the Board of Supervisors, the Commonweath's Attorney office and senior police officials came to see excessive police violence as a legitimate concern, then a CPRB probably would not be necessary.

Yea I guess I don't understand what this type of board will do are they deciding for the court system, commonwealths attorneys office, internal affairs, public opinion or if the cop should be fired.

You want people to over see the police or just shooting outcomes and who's qualified to be the Monday morning quaterbsck. Cops have a tough job and you think there should be a board of citizens with no expertise to over look them. Maybe we should get one for the board of supervisors too.

i always love hearing you haters bitch about the cops here. if you dont like it, move to pg county md or dc, then you will see what bad cops are like. its easy to pick apart a split second decision when you have all the time to review it. civilians have no clue what a cop deals with in their job. maybe we need cops to review your actions at work, and hammer you if you fuck up. stop your bitching, ffx co pd has diciplined their cops more than you will ever know. cops are human just like the rest of us, they make mistakes, and when they are negligent, the comm atty office deals with it. seems like they want an outside opinion on the latest shooting, so if the fbi is looking into it, how can you bitch about a cover up. the fbi will have no problem charging a bad cop if they were wrong.

Besdies killing more innocent citizens than MS-13 (true), these idiots have cost the taxpayers of this county millions in legal settlements.

THAT'S my "qualification".

get a life Wrote:
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> i always love hearing you haters bitch about the
> cops here. if you dont like it, move to pg county
> md or dc, then you will see what bad cops are
> like. its easy to pick apart a split second
> decision when you have all the time to review it.
> civilians have no clue what a cop deals with in
> their job. maybe we need cops to review your
> actions at work, and hammer you if you fuck up.
> stop your bitching, ffx co pd has diciplined their
> cops more than you will ever know. cops are human
> just like the rest of us, they make mistakes, and
> when they are negligent, the comm atty office
> deals with it. seems like they want an outside
> opinion on the latest shooting, so if the fbi is
> looking into it, how can you bitch about a cover
> up. the fbi will have no problem charging a bad
> cop if they were wrong.


What is amazing to me is the people who can come on here and defend the police whole heartedly without reviewing or knowing anything about the case. The last shooting (that's amazing that we have to say LAST) is completely indefensible, shot the unarmed guy at point blank range, in his front doorway in broad daylight with witnesses and cameras rolling.

These police advocates on here remind me of the black people who voted for Obama, they have no explanation on why the voted for him except he is black. Ask them a policy they agree with they have no idea! Same with these non thinking, the police can do no wrong idiots posting here. I love the "if you don't like it leave" mentality, what happened to working to make it better?

Truthteller Wrote:

> What is amazing to me is the people who can come
> on here and defend the police whole heartedly
> without reviewing or knowing anything about the
> case. The last shooting (that's amazing that we
> have to say LAST) is completely indefensible, shot
> the unarmed guy at point blank range, in his front
> doorway in broad daylight with witnesses and
> cameras rolling.

They shot him at point blank range? Do you have other pictures or video we haven't seen?

There is a site dedicated to monitoring the Fairfax County Police.

You can find out more information about action groups here:

http://fairfaxcountycopwatch.blogspot.com/

"the review board" is total theft.

county supers already do the hiring firing of officers (ie, herdon supers hire cop family and relatives or people owed money as cops)

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already they also have an "internal investigation unit" on staff and pay

SO. anywone collecting a 2nd gov paycheck or pay for a knowingly un-necessary duplicate service.

is stealing more than $2000, much more, and is a felon

pW7yG Wrote:
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> "the review board" is total theft.
>
> county supers already do the hiring firing of
> officers (ie, herdon supers hire cop family and
> relatives or people owed money as cops)
>
> -------------------
> already they also have an "internal investigation
> unit" on staff and pay
>
> SO. anywone collecting a 2nd gov paycheck or pay
> for a knowingly un-necessary duplicate service.
>
> is stealing more than $2000, much more, and is a
> felon


The IA department within the FCPD is obviously a joke. How else can all these shootings take place and not one FCPD officer has ever been charged with ANYTHING? Everyone of them has been cleared of all charges, NOT one officer in the history of the FCPD has been charged? How can that be? So please do not be so naïve as to believe that the FCPD is policing itself and that IA is nothing but an internal joke that rubber stamps whatever the administration wants.