Any predictions for 20016 football?

Clubber do you have any predictions for the fight?

I predict PAIN.......

SOCO and Lake Braddock will be a collective 20-0 going into the playoffs and then both lose in the first round

As another football season has come to a close, one looks ahead to the next year and the prospects of the local teams that they support. Best of luck to all the teams in your quest to reach the playoffs, regional finals, and a state championship!

May the Northern Region teams come out on top across the board in 2016!

Here's to Marshall and TJ winning next year

Football is going away for good after that Will Smith movie

Which team has the most coming back

Broad Run has a lot of talent coming back. Might be best Loudoun has to offer next year. Got off to a great start this year before injuries took a toll.

Very athletic, and now a good O line to match.

I say the wins by the Loudon teams over Fairfax were a temporary one time thing, won't happen again next year.

fairfax better

Westfield- Returns lots of talent and will prob be the best team in Concorde again. Don't be surprised to see them go to states again.

C'Ville- Will be much improved from last season's disappointment, big year for Hackett seeing if he can get his program back at their state title levels.

Robinson- Can't say I know much about their program but they pretty muck are always a tough team so I'll rank them 3rd.

Oakton- Loses quite a bit on defense, but returns a healthy number of offensive players. Look for another 5-5, 6-4 season.

Tilly- That offense will take a big step back w/o QB Tamarro and all around stud Sparks. Appears that the Chargers are in for a tough season.

Herndon- They'll still blow.

I hope that 703 can carry our own against Loudoun this season, we need teams like Oakton, who gets both Loudoun schools at home, to pull their weight.

A few more teams besides Oakton need to carry their own weight next year

Concorde Info Wrote:
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> Westfield- Returns lots of talent and will prob be
> the best team in Concorde again. Don't be
> surprised to see them go to states again.
>
> C'Ville- Will be much improved from last season's
> disappointment, big year for Hackett seeing if he
> can get his program back at their state title
> levels.
>
> Robinson- Can't say I know much about their
> program but they pretty muck are always a tough
> team so I'll rank them 3rd.
>
> Oakton- Loses quite a bit on defense, but returns
> a healthy number of offensive players. Look for
> another 5-5, 6-4 season.
>
> Tilly- That offense will take a big step back w/o
> QB Tamarro and all around stud Sparks. Appears
> that the Chargers are in for a tough season.
>
> Herndon- They'll still blow.

Thanks for posting this. You've inspired me to do the same for Liberty. Here's my way to early predictions for 2016

1. Madison -- They are losing a good bit on their line, but judging by their lower level programs, it looks like they have a lot that can replace them. I think they are still the team to beat.

2. South Lakes -- This team is moving in the right direction. Going in to this season, I thought they were a year away, so that 2016 would be their year. I'm standing by that for this season.

3. Langley -- Places #3, #4, and #5 in Liberty are almost interchangeable, but I'll go with Langley #3. I don't think Langley was as bad in 2015 as their 2015 record indicates. I look for them to bounce back in 2016

4. Hayfield --Figures to take a step back with the loss of their QB and RB

5. Fairfax -- Their 1-9 record for 2015 has to be considered an aberration. They tend to have more depth than most Liberty teams, but the big question mark is how they'll adjust to the new coach. They should be better on offense in 2016 than 2015, but defense is a question mark. There is a lot of talent in the class of 2018 there, so they may be one year away from being a real contender.

6. Yorktown -- I see depth as an issue for them. Although W-L beat them this year, their lower level programs beat W-L, so I think they will edge W-L for sixth place.

7. Washington - Lee -- W-L definitely overachieved this year, and credit to their coaching staff that made the adjustments to allow them turn around a 1-4 start. They are losing a lot, and their lower level programs weren't very successful in 2015.

8. McLean -- Depth is a real issue here (I think they had to cancel the last game of their JV season due to lack of participation). They were 1-9, but unlike Fairfax, a 1-9 record isn't an aberration. I can't see the new Fairfax coaching staff gift-wrapping a win for them like this year's staff did, so unless someone else steps up to the plate, 0-10 is a possibility.

The top five teams from the Concorde could win the Liberty Conference next year...

It is unreal how large the disparity is between the best 6A conference in the area vs the worst.

However, even that disparity is insignificant when you look at the best 5A conference vs the worst.

Some things never change

Dear idiots,
There are only a few jobs in Fairfax worth a nickel. Westfield is by far the best job. While Simmons and staff did a good job winning states most okay coaches could win 8 every year. The next best jobs are CV, SC, LB, Oak, Tilly. You can shuffle these 5 around as you like from year to year. The last couple years CV was on top. Before that Oak had a year and before that LB. Seems like WF is always in the top 1 or 2. They have the biggest school with the best demographic. Duh!
When Chantilly has had some talent Lalli gets them there, same with the other staffs. To much hate on this site. Pick the biggest schools with the best demographics.Next year it will be Oscar Smith or Ocean Lakes vs WF or 1 of 5 mentioned or maybe Battlefield. Population moved WESTWARD....that is why TC, Ann, WP and MV were once power houses and now bottom dwellers and Loudoun stepped up

Can we be honest? Wrote:
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> The top five teams from the Concorde could win the
> Liberty Conference next year...
>
> It is unreal how large the disparity is between
> the best 6A conference in the area vs the worst.
>
> However, even that disparity is insignificant when
> you look at the best 5A conference vs the worst.

The second best Liberty team beat the eventual state champion jackass.

I think Chantilly was the biggest school this year population wise. If not it's pretty damn close to Westfield. Demography wise I agree.

Crystal Ball Wrote:
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> Dear idiots,
> There are only a few jobs in Fairfax worth a
> nickel. Westfield is by far the best job. While
> Simmons and staff did a good job winning states
> most okay coaches could win 8 every year. The next
> best jobs are CV, SC, LB, Oak, Tilly. You can
> shuffle these 5 around as you like from year to
> year. The last couple years CV was on top. Before
> that Oak had a year and before that LB. Seems like
> WF is always in the top 1 or 2. They have the
> biggest school with the best demographic. Duh!
> When Chantilly has had some talent Lalli gets them
> there, same with the other staffs. To much hate on
> this site. Pick the biggest schools with the best
> demographics.Next year it will be Oscar Smith or
> Ocean Lakes vs WF or 1 of 5 mentioned or maybe
> Battlefield. Population moved WESTWARD....that is
> why TC, Ann, WP and MV were once power houses and
> now bottom dwellers and Loudoun stepped up

It is impossible for Westfield to get any credit from some people. Westfield is not and has not been the largest school in FCPS:

Last year:
Robinson 2790
Chantilly 2692 (-98)
Westfield 2682 (-108)
Lake Braddock 2660 (-130)
Fairfax 2573 (-217)
West Potomac 2464 (-326)
Centreville 2436 (-354)
South Lakes 2378 (-412)
Woodson 2359 (-431)
Herndon 2267 (-523)
Oakton 2267 (-523)
West Springfield 2247 (-543)
South County 2114 (-676)
Annandale 2162 (-628)
Madison 2059 (-731)
McLean 2050 (-740)
Langley 1996 (-795)
Hayfield 1992 (-798)
Mount Vernon 1965 (-825)

This year:
Lake Braddock 2772
Chantilly 2693
Robinson 2653
Westfield 2608
Centreville 2472
West Potomac 2466
Woodson 2446
South Lakes 2436
Fairfax 2414
Oakton 2412
Herndon 2264
West Springfield 2218
South County 2186
Annandale 2158
Madison 2123
McLean 2089
Marshall 2036
Hayfield 1975
Stuart 1973
Mount Vernon 1972
Langley 1967
Edison 1934
Falls Church 1867
Thomas Jefferson 1823
Lee 1764

Your jumbled nonsense about demographics are silly. At the extremes you are correct but for the the middle of the pack schools demographics are not that greatly different between schools. If enrollment and demographics are all that matters why do Fairfax and Woodson suck year after year? Why is South County such an ideal job?

A large portion of it is coaching and a significant factor is what athletes are coming through the program at any given time. For you to argue that any other mediocre coach would have easily gotten Westfield past the Centreville teams of the last few years is in a word: wrong. Winning a state or regional championship is obviously extremely difficult in 6A in Virginia. Obviously so because the best programs in NOVA, Richmond and Beach cannot consistently repeat year after year.

Smith had only 2 senior starters. See whomever reps the Northern Region in Charlottesville again in 2016.

Now that I think about it, I doubt Westfield's demographics are anything special for football. Anyone know what they are? I know that there are a lot of brown and asian people at the school for sure.

In his defense Westfield has the largest building in the county for 4 year HS. And for most of its history it was the biggest school population wise in FCPS. A couple of years at 3000 and one year at almost 3330!

Anybody could win with what Westfield has in terms of demographics each year....easy

Hearing that schedules will be inverse of what they were this season.

If the schedules are the same then Westfield would just walkthrough it easily. 10-0, SoCo should be 9-1, and LB should be 9-1. Everything else almost the same.

Verbanic - a true coaching legend - was 12-10 his last two years at Westfield. It ain't "easy." Simmons has gone 61-8 in the next five.

Westfield has it easy Wrote:
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> Anybody could win with what Westfield has in terms
> of demographics each year....easy


Really? Then how come LB and Robinson never make it to the regional game as much as Westfield? How come Chantilly is mediocre?

Westfield has it easy and of course everyone knows it - should put an asterisk by their wins.

> The second best Liberty team beat the eventual state champion jackass.

What?

Liberty would be Westfield

Just look and see how many good teams Madsion played all last season. Two teams. Wanna know who they were? Oakton and Tilly. Wanna know how they did? Madison lost both of them. Perhaps if Oakton could get moved over to the Liberty, or maybe even Herndon, then that conference would be saved (if Oakton is added). Otherwise, continue to watch "good teams" like Madison lose to Oakton, win their cupcake-ass non-con games, win all their "difficult" conference games, and then proceed to get whooped by average 6A teams, like Tilly.

Liberty sux Wrote:
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> Just look and see how many good teams Madsion
> played all last season. Two teams. Wanna know who
> they were? Oakton and Tilly. Wanna know how they
> did? Madison lost both of them.

Madison beat Stone Bridge - the 5A state runner-up. Stone Bridge beat Tilly.

Liberty sux Wrote:
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> Perhaps if Oakton could get moved over to the Liberty, or maybe even
> Herndon, then that conference would be saved (if
> Oakton is added). Otherwise, continue to watch
> "good teams" like Madison lose to Oakton, win
> their cupcake-ass non-con games, win all their
> "difficult" conference games, and then proceed to
> get whooped by average 6A teams, like Tilly.

A "good" Liberty team - South Lakes - beat an "average " 6A team - Oakton - in the first round of the playoffs.

What the f are you talking about?

Where is all this "oakton is one of the top coaching jobs" and "maybe they could save Liberty by joining" coming from? Oakton lost a ton of it's talent base when Fox Mill got redistricted to SL. They are only as competitive as they are as a middling concorde team because they currently have a very good coach.

I was at the SL/Oakton playoff game sitting on the oakton side since there were more seats available there. Talk about a bunch of entitled bitches, parents, players gesturing for a flag after every play and of course the posts to the'15 football thread predicting regional dominance and/or a crushing victory over SL. Face it Oakton, you're heading in the direction of Herndon and that slide will only accelerate if Rowley steps down.

Het Wrote:
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> Can we be honest? Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The top five teams from the Concorde could win
> the
> > Liberty Conference next year...
> >
> > It is unreal how large the disparity is between
> > the best 6A conference in the area vs the
> worst.
> >
> > However, even that disparity is insignificant
> when
> > you look at the best 5A conference vs the
> worst.
>
> The second best Liberty team would have beaten the eventual
> state champion if the game ended half-way through the 4th quarter jackass.

Fixed it for you.

Westfield looses about 9 defensive starters with Petrillo being the only really good defensive starter returning. They bring back most of the offense losing their center, big right guard, Scanlon and H Johnson WR.

Westfield loses.

Westfields Freshmen had the best record in the Concorde and beat Centrevilles freshman by 50. Westfields JV shutout 6 teams and allowed 18 points all year long. I think they will be fine. Eckert, Frimpong, and Johnson are coming back. So is Cockrill.

SCOTT WOODLEIF IS THE BEST COACH IN VIRGINIA, JUST ASK HIM!

Reloaded!

Westfield Defense Will have a Strong Front 4, Jewell and Cockrill setting the edges, Aaron Daiz and Naz Calhoun Plugging the 1's and 3's. Petrillo and Malo will fill the Middle with Winesett, Lydic helping on the edges. j.Free will roam secondary with Steinhilber and a few yet to be determined. pretty solid Base with a few JV guys Stepping up to role play, Demoney, Roberson, Chapman Greene, Alston as well as possibly one or two of this years Freshmen playing a role.

As for Offense, your line will feature 4 that saw significant time/Starters in Jean Marc, Edward Q, Christian Carl and Nolan Cockrill. Looking for a Center to emerge(St. Germain) as well as another tackle and TE/FB to off-set Cockrill. WR's feature Frimpong, Eckert and look for Pickett or Burns to step into the Slot. Johnson Should Be under Center, Backed up By Keily and Mullins. the Backfield should be Well rounded with Chung, Asante and McClean.

Delaney Returns for Special Teams. All in All...this Program Looks to be poised for another deep play-off Run.

oakton sux Wrote:
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> Where is all this "oakton is one of the top
> coaching jobs" and "maybe they could save Liberty
> by joining" coming from? Oakton lost a ton of
> it's talent base when Fox Mill got redistricted to
> SL. They are only as competitive as they are as a
> middling concorde team because they currently have
> a very good coach.
>
> I was at the SL/Oakton playoff game sitting on the
> oakton side since there were more seats available
> there. Talk about a bunch of entitled bitches,
> parents, players gesturing for a flag after every
> play and of course the posts to the'15 football
> thread predicting regional dominance and/or a
> crushing victory over SL. Face it Oakton, you're
> heading in the direction of Herndon and that slide
> will only accelerate if Rowley steps down.
Oakton has fewer students ( I believe) than the rest of the Concorde and is closer geographically than any other Concorde teams to the Liberty. Moving them to the Liberty would benefit all parties involved in the sense that easier schedule for them, strengthens the Liberty, and makes Concorde more competitive. Don't mistaken me for some of those other Oakton posters they're a bit crazy and irrational still thinking that it is 2005. My team in Chantilly, who has pretty much dominated Oakton ever since Thompson left the school. Last season was our shot at making a run in the playoffs but losing to C'Ville in the end of the season ended our hopes of perhaps being an interesting team in the playoffs (that win over Madison was sweet tho.) Here's to a winning season in the Post-Tammaro era.

Is the high number of kids who want to be in that program, Their JV team had around 70 players, which is more than what teams will carry on their Varsity team.

How come Chantilly isn't consistently a 7-8 win team? They have more students than Westfield and similar demographics. The coaching staff isn't that bad either. Do kids there just not enjoy football?

Oakton's at 2,500 in 2016 and is projected to climb to 2,637 by 2020.

Westfield's at 2,565 in '16 and projected to be at 2,610 in '20.

Cville at 2,519 in '16 and projected to 2,566 in '20.

Tilly at 2,763 in '16 and projected to 2,731 in '20

Herndon at 2,307 in '16, projected to 2,485 in '20

Robo at 2,688 in '16, projected to 2,649 in '20.

Assuming these projections are accurate it looks like none of these schools has a pure numbers advantage over any other.

http://www.fcps.edu/fts/dashboard/enrollment/hsenroll15-16.html

Westfield is overrated

I've read the threads above about Concorde teams, and Oakton in particular. Those who would have Oakton leave Concorde need to think about who takes their place. As it is, Concorde sits at only six teams. They can't be made smaller. The other conferences, which have 8 teams in 6A (except for PWC, which is a different issue), have 8 and are at capacity. If you propose to take Oakton out of Concorde, your proposal can't be taken seriously unless you identify an appropriate replacement.

The same is true for those who suggest that Herdon should be moved out.

We'll have a new alignment after the end of next year, and I really hope that two current Fairfax or Arlington teams that are in 5A will be moved up. Based on the number of VHSL schools, each division should have 52 teams. Adding two more would makes a total of 24 6A teams in Fairfax Co and Arlington Co. That would allow the Northern PWC teams to be sent south, to be aligned with Southern PWC, and would allow the creation of either three 8 team conferences in 6A North, or four six team conferences. This would solve a competitive balance issue that we have in other sports. For those sports, if you are in Liberty or Patriot, you have to be better than four teams to make the playoffs, but you only need to be better than two other teams in Concorde, and only one other team in PWC. This isn't an issue for football the way they do the playoffs, but it seems strange that any PWC teams play in the Northern playoffs, since they don't otherwise play any Fairfax or Arlington County schools.

Having 24 in North would require 28 in south, which is a bit imbalanced between the two regions, but it's not bad, and I frankly don't care if more South teams have to duke it out against each other. Alternatively, if four 5A teams came up, there would be two conferences of 6 and two of seven, which balances the regions, and isn't bad in terms of conferences within the regions.

Question about Chantilly? Wrote:
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> How come Chantilly isn't consistently a 7-8 win
> team? They have more students than Westfield and
> similar demographics. The coaching staff isn't
> that bad either. Do kids there just not enjoy
> football?

Because there is not a 100% direct correlation between population and demographics and success in a sport. Chantilly, Robinson and Langley have great lacrosse programs - usually much better than Westfield. You could ask why is that? Why do Oakton and Robinson consistently have the best swim & dive? Why are Oakton, Robinson and Lake Braddock usually the the best XC? Why is Madison baseball always good and Robinson wrestling always good? Many factors involved...

Question about Chantilly? Wrote:
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> How come Chantilly isn't consistently a 7-8 win
> team? They have more students than Westfield and
> similar demographics. The coaching staff isn't
> that bad either. Do kids there just not enjoy
> football?
Always thought Chantilly was a basketball school, have had some good season in recent years.

Has a 6A North School ever won both the football and basketball championship the same year? Do you guys think WF can do it this year?

Question for you guys Wrote:
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> Has a 6A North School ever won both the football
> and basketball championship the same year? Do you
> guys think WF can do it this year?


The answer is no. And no I don't think WF will either. They will be good but they do not have the depth last year's team had.

Two Thousand 15 season is over moved into two thousand 16

Way to early Top 10:

1) Westfield
2) Battlefield
3) South County
4) Centreville
5) Lake Braddock
6) South Lakes
6) West Potomac
7) West Springfield
8) Robinson
9) Madison
10) Who Knows??

Northern Region Preview Wrote:
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> Way to early Top 10:
>
> 1) Westfield
> 2) Battlefield
> 3) South County
> 4) Centreville
> 5) Lake Braddock
> 6) South Lakes
> 6) West Potomac
> 7) West Springfield
> 8) Robinson
> 9) Madison
> 10) Who Knows??

Since there are 27 teams, this is the top 1/3. Not sure you are missing anything by not having a #10.

I think Centreville belongs, but I'm not sure I'd have them that high. Also, I'm not sure that I would put South Lakes ahead of Madison, though both should be in the top 1/3 of 6A North.

A previous poster wanted to know why Chantilly football doesn't win as much as Westfield or Centerville ? a very simple answer - the kids don't want to play for Lalli - even his brothers don't want to coach with him . Class of 2015 had 60 kids playing freshman football and by there senior year he had 7 of those 60 left - many went to focus on lacrosse because Lalli was a prick and only wanted them to do football . The lax kids were 2 minutes from winning there 2nd state championship and many of those kids had played football during there first 2 years at CHS . CYA FOOTBALL is as good as any youth program in the county [ in fact many Westfield kids played CYA INSTEAD OF SYA ) - With 2800 kids at the school they should be much more competitive than they have been in the last 5 years .Until the AD pulls the plug on Lalli they will continue to win games against West springfield and Annandale and get blasted when they start conference play against the Robinsons , Westfields and Centervilles

People are overlooking South Lakes SR. Class. There were some real good athletes on that team. Grunshie and Kirlew will be sorely missed next year. The QB won't have many targets to throw too next year. SL TE will be hard to replace too. I expect there defense to be solid but there secondary will be suspect. I think SL takes a step back next year. Madison should be the favorite and I expect Fairfax and Langley to compete for top 3 spots. Hayfields freshman teams hasn't lost in 3 years. There be good next year too.

I feel that SL, Madison and Hayfield will be battling it out in the Liberty. SL has some athletes coming back, Madison does too but to a lesser extent.

Hayfield who was a huge disappointment this season has lots coming up from the lower levels and should be right in the mix. The key is if the coaching staff are smart enough and willing to alter their playbook and match their schemes to their personnel.

Langley, Fairfax should be improved. Of course at Fairfax the selection of a new coach will be important.

The Arlington schools will struggle next year but should be competitive. Both programs have good head coaches.

McLean may be at the bottom, they just don't have the numbers. They had to forfeit F and JV games at the end of the season I heard. Not a good sign for next season.

liberty fan Wrote:
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> I feel that SL, Madison and Hayfield will be
> battling it out in the Liberty. SL has some
> athletes coming back, Madison does too but to a
> lesser extent.
>
> Hayfield who was a huge disappointment this season
> has lots coming up from the lower levels and
> should be right in the mix. The key is if the
> coaching staff are smart enough and willing to
> alter their playbook and match their schemes to
> their personnel.
>
> Langley, Fairfax should be improved. Of course at
> Fairfax the selection of a new coach will be
> important.
>
> The Arlington schools will struggle next year but
> should be competitive. Both programs have good
> head coaches.
>
> McLean may be at the bottom, they just don't have
> the numbers. They had to forfeit F and JV games
> at the end of the season I heard. Not a good sign
> for next season.

That's about how I see the pecking order for next year. For all the teams, the indicators should be what's coming back, and how well the JV teams did last year. Here's how Liberty's JV teams did in 2015 (remember that JV plays only an 8 game schedule):

1. Madison -- 8-0, overall, 7-0 in conference. (nonconference win v. Marshall)
2. Three way tie:
(a) Fairfax: 5-3 overall, 4-3 in conference. Conference losses were to Madison, Langley and Hayfield. Nonconference win v. Woodson, score 26-3.
(b) South Lakes: 5-3 overall, 4-3 in conference. Conference losses were to Madison, Fairfax and Langley. Nonconference win v. Herdon, score 7-0
(c) Langley: 5-3 overall, 4-3 in conference. Conference losses were to Madison, Yorktown and Hayfield. Nonconference win was against Potomac Falls. Their website shows that the last game v. McLean was canceled, which I am assuming was forfeited by McLean, and counts as a win for Langley. Otherwise, they are 4-3 and 3-3.

5. Two way tie
(a) Yorktown: 4-4 overall, 4-3 in conference. Conference losses to Fairfax, Madison and South Lakes. Nonconference loss to Broad Run
(b) Hayfield: 4-4 overall, 4-3 in conference. Conference losses to Madison, South Lakes, Yorktown. Nonconference loss to South County. It looks like one of Hayfield's wins was one of those McLean forfeits. If that win doesn't count, they are 3-4 overall, 3-3 in conference.

7. Washington-Lee: 1-7 overall, 1-6 in conference. Sole win was v. McLean. Nonconference loss v. Wakefield.

8. McLean: 0-8 overall, 0-7 in conference. Nonconference loss was to Chantilly. Games v. Hayfield and Langley look like possible forfeits.

I'm not sure what everyone has coming back on varsity that didn't play JV, but based on this, I think Madison looks to win Liberty fairly comfortably.

Breakdown of the freshmen teams is below. Some of the top freshmen players could be playing on Friday nights next season so it could only help with varsity teams. I tried to gather what I could find for the freshmen teams in the Liberty but some schools did not update their websites. I would tend to agree that Madison could be the favorite based on their lower programs.

Hayfield 8-0, non conference win over South County
Madison 7-1, loss to Hayfield, non conference win of Marshall
South Lakes 6-2, loss to Hayfield and Madison, non conference win on Herndon

Yorktown 4-4? website not updated
Fairfax 3-5, website not updated
Langley 2-6, beat WL beat Fairfax
McLean 1-7 ?, website not updated but they did have to forfeit some games due to lack of players
WL 0-8

2015 site now dead

2015 is gone Wrote:
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> 2015 site now dead


Correct. Bring your football discussions here.

WL frosh had lots of players, but no size. Unfortunate that McLean doesn't have the participation to field teams for some games. A lot of things can change in 3-4 years. At least for WL, varsity has been respectable. Langley has also had strong teams at the varsity level.

Would be nice with the realignment in two years to bring back the old Great Falls District by adding Marshall and moving Hayfield. Marshall is growing and will soon be 6A.

Conference 6 fan Wrote:
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> liberty fan Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I feel that SL, Madison and Hayfield will be
> > battling it out in the Liberty. SL has some
> > athletes coming back, Madison does too but to a
> > lesser extent.
> >
> > Hayfield who was a huge disappointment this
> season
> > has lots coming up from the lower levels and
> > should be right in the mix. The key is if the
> > coaching staff are smart enough and willing to
> > alter their playbook and match their schemes to
> > their personnel.
> >
> > Langley, Fairfax should be improved. Of course
> at
> > Fairfax the selection of a new coach will be
> > important.
> >
> > The Arlington schools will struggle next year
> but
> > should be competitive. Both programs have good
> > head coaches.
> >
> > McLean may be at the bottom, they just don't
> have
> > the numbers. They had to forfeit F and JV
> games
> > at the end of the season I heard. Not a good
> sign
> > for next season.
>
> That's about how I see the pecking order for next
> year. For all the teams, the indicators should be
> what's coming back, and how well the JV teams did
> last year. Here's how Liberty's JV teams did in
> 2015 (remember that JV plays only an 8 game
> schedule):
>
> 1. Madison -- 8-0, overall, 7-0 in conference.
> (nonconference win v. Marshall)
> 2. Three way tie:
> (a) Fairfax: 5-3 overall, 4-3 in conference.
> Conference losses were to Madison, Langley and
> Hayfield. Nonconference win v. Woodson, score
> 26-3.
> (b) South Lakes: 5-3 overall, 4-3 in conference.
> Conference losses were to Madison, Fairfax and
> Langley. Nonconference win v. Herdon, score 7-0
> (c) Langley: 5-3 overall, 4-3 in conference.
> Conference losses were to Madison, Yorktown and
> Hayfield. Nonconference win was against Potomac
> Falls. Their website shows that the last game v.
> McLean was canceled, which I am assuming was
> forfeited by McLean, and counts as a win for
> Langley. Otherwise, they are 4-3 and 3-3.
>
> 5. Two way tie
> (a) Yorktown: 4-4 overall, 4-3 in conference.
> Conference losses to Fairfax, Madison and South
> Lakes. Nonconference loss to Broad Run
> (b) Hayfield: 4-4 overall, 4-3 in conference.
> Conference losses to Madison, South Lakes,
> Yorktown. Nonconference loss to South County. It
> looks like one of Hayfield's wins was one of those
> McLean forfeits. If that win doesn't count, they
> are 3-4 overall, 3-3 in conference.
>
> 7. Washington-Lee: 1-7 overall, 1-6 in
> conference. Sole win was v. McLean.
> Nonconference loss v. Wakefield.
>
> 8. McLean: 0-8 overall, 0-7 in conference.
> Nonconference loss was to Chantilly. Games v.
> Hayfield and Langley look like possible forfeits.
>
>
> I'm not sure what everyone has coming back on
> varsity that didn't play JV, but based on this, I
> think Madison looks to win Liberty fairly
> comfortably.

JV teams wins and losses isn't always the best baromoter of future success. In 14/15 South Lakes Varsity and JV teams were horrible while the freshman team only lost once to Stone Bridge. A lot of sophmores from the successful freshman team went straight to varsity this past season including the starting QB while at most schools the majority of sophmores will play JV. The fact that this past season's SL JV team went over .500 despite having so many sophmores playing varsity is likely a good indicator of the overall depth of their 2018 class. Madison had a lot of sophmores starting varsity 3 years ago and that team struggled through a 1 win season while sophmores starting for SL this year had a lot of success and gave Westfield their toughest test on their way to Charlottsville.

Freshman teams are often a better indicator of future success but if a school has a good freshmen team but not much at the JV and varsity levels then a lot of those freshmen end up quitting football or transferring out before they matriculate through the program. I know that's happened to SL teams in years past.

WP All-Met

https://www.washingtonpost.com/pb/2015-fall-allmet/

48 football players from MD/DC
28 football players from VA

tKXdM Wrote:
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> WP All-Met
>
> https://www.washingtonpost.com/pb/2015-fall-allmet
> /
>
> 48 football players from MD/DC
> 28 football players from VA


WHO CARES! THIS IS ABOUT 2016!

Some of those kids will be playing in 2016 - you want two football threads or one?

SL parent Wrote:
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> Conference 6 fan Wrote:
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> -----
> > liberty fan Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > I feel that SL, Madison and Hayfield will be
> > > battling it out in the Liberty. SL has some
> > > athletes coming back, Madison does too but to
> a
> > > lesser extent.
> > >
> > > Hayfield who was a huge disappointment this
> > season
> > > has lots coming up from the lower levels and
> > > should be right in the mix. The key is if
> the
> > > coaching staff are smart enough and willing
> to
> > > alter their playbook and match their schemes
> to
> > > their personnel.
> > >
> > > Langley, Fairfax should be improved. Of
> course
> > at
> > > Fairfax the selection of a new coach will be
> > > important.
> > >
> > > The Arlington schools will struggle next year
> > but
> > > should be competitive. Both programs have
> good
> > > head coaches.
> > >
> > > McLean may be at the bottom, they just don't
> > have
> > > the numbers. They had to forfeit F and JV
> > games
> > > at the end of the season I heard. Not a good
> > sign
> > > for next season.
> >
> > That's about how I see the pecking order for
> next
> > year. For all the teams, the indicators should
> be
> > what's coming back, and how well the JV teams
> did
> > last year. Here's how Liberty's JV teams did
> in
> > 2015 (remember that JV plays only an 8 game
> > schedule):
> >
> > 1. Madison -- 8-0, overall, 7-0 in conference.
>
> > (nonconference win v. Marshall)
> > 2. Three way tie:
> > (a) Fairfax: 5-3 overall, 4-3 in conference.
> > Conference losses were to Madison, Langley and
> > Hayfield. Nonconference win v. Woodson, score
> > 26-3.
> > (b) South Lakes: 5-3 overall, 4-3 in
> conference.
> > Conference losses were to Madison, Fairfax and
> > Langley. Nonconference win v. Herdon, score
> 7-0
> > (c) Langley: 5-3 overall, 4-3 in conference.
> > Conference losses were to Madison, Yorktown and
> > Hayfield. Nonconference win was against
> Potomac
> > Falls. Their website shows that the last game
> v.
> > McLean was canceled, which I am assuming was
> > forfeited by McLean, and counts as a win for
> > Langley. Otherwise, they are 4-3 and 3-3.
> >
> > 5. Two way tie
> > (a) Yorktown: 4-4 overall, 4-3 in conference.
> > Conference losses to Fairfax, Madison and South
> > Lakes. Nonconference loss to Broad Run
> > (b) Hayfield: 4-4 overall, 4-3 in conference.
> > Conference losses to Madison, South Lakes,
> > Yorktown. Nonconference loss to South County.
> It
> > looks like one of Hayfield's wins was one of
> those
> > McLean forfeits. If that win doesn't count,
> they
> > are 3-4 overall, 3-3 in conference.
> >
> > 7. Washington-Lee: 1-7 overall, 1-6 in
> > conference. Sole win was v. McLean.
> > Nonconference loss v. Wakefield.
> >
> > 8. McLean: 0-8 overall, 0-7 in conference.
> > Nonconference loss was to Chantilly. Games v.
> > Hayfield and Langley look like possible
> forfeits.
> >
> >
> > I'm not sure what everyone has coming back on
> > varsity that didn't play JV, but based on this,
> I
> > think Madison looks to win Liberty fairly
> > comfortably.
>
> JV teams wins and losses isn't always the best
> baromoter of future success. In 14/15 South Lakes
> Varsity and JV teams were horrible while the
> freshman team only lost once to Stone Bridge. A
> lot of sophmores from the successful freshman team
> went straight to varsity this past season
> including the starting QB while at most schools
> the majority of sophmores will play JV. The fact
> that this past season's SL JV team went over .500
> despite having so many sophmores playing varsity
> is likely a good indicator of the overall depth of
> their 2018 class. Madison had a lot of sophmores
> starting varsity 3 years ago and that team
> struggled through a 1 win season while sophmores
> starting for SL this year had a lot of success and
> gave Westfield their toughest test on their way to
> Charlottsville.
>
> Freshman teams are often a better indicator of
> future success but if a school has a good freshmen
> team but not much at the JV and varsity levels
> then a lot of those freshmen end up quitting
> football or transferring out before they
> matriculate through the program. I know that's
> happened to SL teams in years past.


South Lakes has a good future for sure and definitely challenged Westfield but that was definetly Westfield's worse performance of the year. But great job South Lakes for making WF reconsider who their QB is.

tKXdM Wrote:
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> WP All-Met
>
> https://www.washingtonpost.com/pb/2015-fall-allmet
> /
>
> 48 football players from MD/DC
> 28 football players from VA

They always so biased against Virginia. How does Hozey Hajibadri (Chantilly) not make even an honoable mention? Rididuclous.

Madison maybe them, but SL is a team primed to make a playoff un vs. decent opponents, unlike Madison.

VHSL is making major changes to our regions and conferences. They want to go back to the old system. Welcome back regional finals. But don't expect the conferences to look the same. Huge shake ups coming. You heard it here first.

Major changes Wrote:
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> VHSL is making major changes to our regions and
> conferences. They want to go back to the old
> system. Welcome back regional finals. But don't
> expect the conferences to look the same. Huge
> shake ups coming. You heard it here first.


This has already been discussed here. You're late.

Major changes Wrote:
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> VHSL is making major changes to our regions and
> conferences. They want to go back to the old
> system. Welcome back regional finals. But don't
> expect the conferences to look the same. Huge
> shake ups coming. You heard it here first.
When would this stuff happen I thought schedules were basically sorted out for the upcoming season???

Cool but... Wrote:
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> Major changes Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > VHSL is making major changes to our regions and
> > conferences. They want to go back to the old
> > system. Welcome back regional finals. But don't
> > expect the conferences to look the same. Huge
> > shake ups coming. You heard it here first.
> When would this stuff happen I thought schedules
> were basically sorted out for the upcoming
> season???

Every two years changes are made based on enrollment.

Coaching search for Fairfax We as a community would love to see Jose Ardone as new coach. A player and neighborhood favorite. Coached here then Went to Westfield, then TC. Would bring in a good coaching staff. I hope we don't get retread head coach from some bygone year. School is very tight lipped but someone saw 1 or 3 DSA going into school last Friday hope it was just for meeting our kids deserve a real football coach.

That cycle comes up for the 2017-18 school year and VHSL will stay at six classifications but go back to four regions. Then they will only realign based on enrollment every four years.

Pride1 Wrote:
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> Coaching search for Fairfax We as a community
> would love to see Jose Ardone as new coach. A
> player and neighborhood favorite. Coached here
> then Went to Westfield, then TC. Would bring in a
> good coaching staff. I hope we don't get retread
> head coach from some bygone year. School is very
> tight lipped but someone saw 1 or 3 DSA going into
> school last Friday hope it was just for meeting
> our kids deserve a real football coach.


The school should be tight lipped about the search. Here's some friendly advice to candidates for this position -- There are only four other football coaching openings this year. The others are Mt. Vernon, JEB Stuart, and TC Williams (TC is just rumored, last I heard). This position is, the best of the openings available. If you are being interviewed, act accordingly.

I hope your Local Boy serves you well, Ardone or ISdone as he was known at Westfield was not well received by Westfield Players, Staff or Parents...Good Luck, not what a struggling program needs... and, no-one of any substance is leaving a better program to join him....Who at a winning program would jump ship to go to Fairfax...?

GAU Wrote:
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> That cycle comes up for the 2017-18 school year
> and VHSL will stay at six classifications but go
> back to four regions. Then they will only realign
> based on enrollment every four years.


I heard the same thing last week. What I heard, unfortunately, is that the two regions replacing the current North Region might include all of Fairfax CO, and all of PWC. One region would be Richmond area, and the other region would be Tidewater. I hope that isn't the case; adding all of the PWC schools to the Fairfax County schools would be imbalanced unfairly against schools in the North. This would especially be true if some of the county 5A schools are growing, as they are rumored to be, so that they would join the 6A classification.

TRP Wrote:
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> GAU Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > That cycle comes up for the 2017-18 school year
> > and VHSL will stay at six classifications but
> go
> > back to four regions. Then they will only
> realign
> > based on enrollment every four years.
>
>
> I heard the same thing last week. What I heard,
> unfortunately, is that the two regions replacing
> the current North Region might include all of
> Fairfax CO, and all of PWC. One region would be
> Richmond area, and the other region would be
> Tidewater. I hope that isn't the case; adding all
> of the PWC schools to the Fairfax County schools
> would be imbalanced unfairly against schools in
> the North. This would especially be true if some
> of the county 5A schools are growing, as they are
> rumored to be, so that they would join the 6A
> classification.

Yes, that definitely would not be equitable.

Right now 6A is distributed as such:

Fairfax/Alex/Arl - 22
PWC - 10 (11 next year)
Stafford - 2
Midlothian/Chester - 5
Franklin County - 1
Tidewater - 12

That would leave a region that includes some of PWC down through Richmond and includes Franklin County (they're far enough away that there is no good place for them).

There would be two regions in the north, similar to the old northern and northwest, but FCPS and PWC would be split between the two. So in theory you could have a Westfield v South County state championship game. Districts will be blown up - nothing to do with enrollment. The enrollment someone brought up only impacts level of play - i.e. 5 or 6. That is not being discussed in this meeting.

Someone who is loyal to their school, lives in the neighborhood and yes will have good assistants.

Going to make this easy on everyone! The coach from Falls Church will be the new football coach at Fairfax, done deal.

And that's why Fairfax is no better than 5 & 5 ... Their criteria for a Coach

Aziz is a good coach and would do well at FFX. Just because your not an old white guy doesn't mean you can't coach.

Maddox1 Wrote:
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> Going to make this easy on everyone! The coach
> from Falls Church will be the new football coach
> at Fairfax, done deal.


He would be a good hire. A better hire would be Marc Matthie, he could not get the thugs at TCW to buy into a culture (working hard and team) that would create winning. I cannot imagine how bad it must have been for him to have left, but he is gone and any school looking for a head coach would be crazy not to interview and then hire him.

novafootballfan Wrote:
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> Maddox1 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Going to make this easy on everyone! The coach
> > from Falls Church will be the new football
> coach
> > at Fairfax, done deal.
>
>
> He would be a good hire. A better hire would be
> Marc Matthie, he could not get the thugs at TCW to
> buy into a culture (working hard and team) that
> would create winning. I cannot imagine how bad it
> must have been for him to have left, but he is
> gone and any school looking for a head coach would
> be crazy not to interview and then hire him.

Does anyone know whether Aziz or Mathie applied for the position? I agree those would be good hires.

Marc Matthie did not apply for the FFX job.

The finalist may come as a surprise to many...

Gordon Leib (Former Madison Coach), Tom Horn (Former Coach), a current Liberty Conference Head Coach (Won't spill the beans) and a current Administrator.

InTheKnow... Wrote:
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> Marc Matthie did not apply for the FFX job.
>
> The finalist may come as a surprise to many...
>
> Gordon Leib (Former Madison Coach), Tom Horn
> (Former Coach), a current Liberty Conference Head
> Coach (Won't spill the beans) and a current
> Administrator.

There was no current liberty conference coach who interviewed. There was an individual who is a former Liberty conference coach, but is currently in administration. I'm not sure if that was a reference to two separate individuals, or one.

Two of those individuals would be OK. The third would be an absolute disaster. I won't say who would be a disaster.

Regions:
http://www.vivaloudoun.com/vhsl-initial-24-region-alignment-plan-2017-18-and-2018-19/

NR football fan Wrote:
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> novafootballfan Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
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> > Maddox1 Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Going to make this easy on everyone! The
> coach
> > > from Falls Church will be the new football
> > coach
> > > at Fairfax, done deal.
> >
> >
> > He would be a good hire. A better hire would
> be
> > Marc Matthie, he could not get the thugs at TCW
> to
> > buy into a culture (working hard and team) that
> > would create winning. I cannot imagine how bad
> it
> > must have been for him to have left, but he is
> > gone and any school looking for a head coach
> would
> > be crazy not to interview and then hire him.
>
> Does anyone know whether Aziz or Mathie applied
> for the position? I agree those would be good
> hires.

Marc Matthie did not apply but would have been DC on coach Ardone's staff along with coach Bassialyga, and TCW QB coach a guy that played at Oakton and WAS QB coach at TCW.

Ardone, who was an assistant line Coach on Westfield JV before his loud, obnoxious, abrasive style got him dropped would be your Choice at Fairfax...you must enjoy the long suffering, I hear FPYC has some ankle biter openings! Mathis is no fool, he will be back with one of the Power 3 or on C-Villes sideline again.

Who are the power 3 you speak of?

Also, if you had the option of picking any NoVa coach to run your program for the next five years who would you choose?

My list:
1) Simmonds (Westfield)
2) Rowley (Oakton)
3) Poythress (Lake Braddock)
4) Panoni (South County)
5) Haddock (Centreville)

Pride??? Wrote:
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> Who are the power 3 you speak of?
>
> Also, if you had the option of picking any NoVa
> coach to run your program for the next five years
> who would you choose?
>
> My list:
> 1) Simmons (Westfield)
> 2) Rowley (Oakton)
> 3) Poythress (Lake Braddock)
> 4) Pannoni (South County)
> 5) Haddock (Centreville)

You know what - I think you got the order just about right. Throw in Mickey T. and Mike Burnett... anyone know - is Thompson (SB) really retiring or was that just a rumor?

It's hard to Gauge Rowley and Simmons. They inherited programs that were already established. Credit to them for keeping things going. You have to consider Wakefields coach. He took a really bad program and made them conference champs in a short time. Of course he's not in the good ole boys club so I don't expect his name to be tossed around.

Burnett is probably the coach I'd pick. He built two programs up from the the bottom. Mickey is a good one two.

Poythress took a bad program and has built a consistent winner. Oak ton has slipped under Rowley. Simmons may well end up the best. As far as that other county who cares...get your own site

Poythress has one of the highest enrollments in the State, LB SHOULD be a top program based on Numbers regardless of who is at the Helm, Unless Poythress can find a way to CLONE Niebrich he will continue to be the darling of his conference and get smacked when he steps out. The same can be said for South County, Westfield and any of the ConCorde/Conference 5 Powers...Rowley is a prime example of #'s meeting better #'s...Oakton is resigned to 6-4/5-5 depending on Herndon's Prowess. Chantilly has been strangled by the Lalli Bug, his saving Grace a first round play-off Win every year, when he goes, Chantilly has a chance to consistently finish 8-2/9-1...

How has the South Lakes Redistricting of 2008 affected Oakton, Westfield, and South Lakes in football? Looks like Westfield hasn't really been affected at all, but this year was the first time they went to states without since the Redistricting. Oakton seems to have taken a step back, and South Lakes keeps growing each year, will probably end up one if the better schools in the area for Football soon.

"How has the South Lakes Redistricting of 2008 affected Oakton, Westfield, and South Lakes in football? Looks like Westfield hasn't really been affected at all, but this year was the first time they went to states without since the Redistricting. Oakton seems to have taken a step back, and South Lakes keeps growing each year, will probably end up one if the better schools in the area for Football soon."

Oakton took a hit. No doubt about that. The Fox Mill area was always a source of good athletes for Oakton, and now that most of those neighborhoods are zoned for South Lakes, and those kids that lived there, but were grandfathered into Oakton, have graduated (or are in) college, that pool of football players is gone forever. Oakton (and Madison) also suffer from the fact that some of the better CYA and VYI football players go on to attend private high schools (Gonzaga and Flint Hill being two schools that have drawn football players away from the near-by public school programs). While Oakton's enrollment is growing, much of that new population consists of URMs that generally don't play football.

Oakton is also hurt by the fact that many of their great athletes in other sports just don't play football (either out of injury concerns or because they devote the entire year to their one sport). Some of Oakton's better basketball, lacrosse and baseball players have not played - think Joe Rizzo, All-American baseball player and South Carolina commit who never played football at Oakton. It seems Centreville and Westfield have had better success getting their multi-sport athletes to play football. It is what it is.

The ranking of coaches above is deceiving. If you were evaluating based on the quality of the coaching staffs at each school, Westfield would be out in front by a wide margin. Oakton, not so much. Let's be honest, the program has not been the same since Joe Thompson left. Oakton's state run in 2012 was a flash in the plan thanks to an All-State QB who performed miracles. No one should expect Oakton to advance far in post-season play in the near future.

How about Westfield? Would they be over the top if they still had those kids? Or would they have not made a difference?