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What's the difference between a private and public establishment?

MrMephisto Wrote:
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> What's the difference between a private and public
> establishment?


I would imagaine private clubs would entail anything like Knight of Columbus, Lion's Club, VFW, and country clubs, etc. (anything where membership is required). Public establishments are bars, clubs, and what not, that don't require dues or membership.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 02/05/2009 03:36PM by inkahootz.

This is only about the 20th time they have said "This bill will pass easy." It will never happen with VA being one of the largest tobacco producers.

"Under the agreement, which the two men finalized last night, smoking will be permitted only in private clubs but public establishments can also construct enclosed, ventilated smoking rooms for patrons."

They do this at school too. Its called the bathrooms.

I imagine most bars will find itcost prohibitive to build a seperate smokers section. At least I hope so. The foolishness of nicotine addicts whining and pretending that their addiction is some constitutionally guaranteed right is ridiculous. And then wrapping their addiction around property rights is the height of stupidity. Restaurants...stores...and any other business licensed to serve the public is not private property it's a public location and subject to the laws of the state.

I don't really care about smoking ciggs. inside restaurants, but don't take away my hooka!

I never thought this law would pass in VA.

Hey, if the smoke bothers you, go to a different establishment.

Vince(1) Wrote:
>>> some constitutionally gauranteed right


Yeah, the nerve of these people to believe they live in a free country- how dare they! Shame on them for actually believing in concepts like liberty!

Deport these immigrant-loving extremists back to Russia!!

I don't really care about smoking ciggs. inside restaurants, but don't take away my hooka!

I never thought this law would pass in VA.


Hooka is smoking, sorry dude that nasty crap is banned too

YES!
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I cannot believe hookah is banned, smoking is the whole point and anyone can avoid them. What about cigar shops? No more sampling?

TheMeeper Wrote:
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> Vince(1) Wrote:
> >>> some constitutionally gauranteed right
>
>
> Yeah, the nerve of these people to believe they
> live in a free country- how dare they! Shame on
> them for actually believing in concepts like
> liberty!
>
> Deport these immigrant-loving extremists back to
> Russia!!


Nicotine junky! You'll say and do anything to maintain your addiction...even sling our constitution under the wheels of Philip Morris. You can smoke all you want in your home....for now.

Smoker Wrote:
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> Hey, if the smoke bothers you, go to a different
> establishment.


Sorry...take your nicotine addiction home where it belongs.

Vince(1) Wrote:
>> Nicotine junky! You'll say and do anything to maintain your addiction...even sling ourconstitution under the wheels of Philip Morris. You can smoke all you want in your home....for now.


Sorry, I don't smoke in my home, or in my workplace, or in restaurants. Nor do I think it's the government's business to assume that kind of authority. I am perfectly capable of making my own decisions. So should you.

You wonder why nobody takes you seriously, Vinke? Because while one of your faces is decrying the erosion of liberty under the republikkkkkkkkkkkkan administration, the other face is hoping the new administration restricts liberties that you don't agree with.

What the hell does the constitution have to do with smoking? Absolutely nothing. You'd probably support the bill that forces children to wear helmets while sled riding, and heavy fines for the parents if the kid doesn't. You were more than likely one of the hundred people that called the FCC over Janet Jackson's nipple plate.

Why don't you grow a pair of balls, take your mouth off of every minority dick you can find, and be a man for once. I think warmongering cowboys are less of a national embarassment than limp-wristed pussies that really think the world is someday going to hold hands and sing Kumbaya.

I could have saved a lot of time just now by saying like I always do; you are one dumb mother fucker.

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/06/2009 09:19AM by MrMephisto.

I thinked Vince should be smoked, alive.

Mephisto, you have a strange obsession with men performing oral sex on other men. Most of us quit using insults of the 'you're a fag' variety sometime around the fourth grade.

MrMephisto Wrote:
> Why don't you grow a pair of balls, take your
> mouth off of every minority dick you can find, and
> be a man for once.

I see your point. It's just that most BMW drivers and people named Vince suck a lot of cocks. I'm just calling it as I see it.

Besides, there's no way that I could have meant that metaphorically. Sort of like I think that kissing ass really involves lips and some buttocks.

Idiot.

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Didn't you mean "cock smoking idiot?"

MrMephisto Wrote:
> Idiot.

Mephisto, you DO seem to have a fixation on man-to-man action, I'm just saying this as a friend. As a friend who is keeping a little distance. Because of the man-to-man action.

And I give Douchebag credit for at least having the balls to call himself out right in his own posting name... I'm not sure I would have the guts to readily identify myself as a douchebag even before people see what I have to say, no matter how big of one I am.

Commendatore.

I went to a restaurant last night and sat in the "no-smoking" section. I might as well have sat in the smoking section.

Smoking is a public nuisance. If you want to do it in the privacy of your own home or outside, fine. But I don't go over and shit on your table, so I prefer you not blow your cancer sticks my direction.

actually, shitting on their table would be safer for them then their smoking is for you....

Actually, I don't really think I'm a douchebag. It's just a little tongue in cheek thing because Mephisto and others decided all BMW owners were douchebags. It's no skin off my nose if some random idiot on FFU thinks I'm a douchebag so I just decided to use it as my posting name.

RESton Peace Wrote:
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> And I give Douchebag credit for at least having
> the balls to call himself out right in his own
> posting name... I'm not sure I would have the guts
> to readily identify myself as a douchebag even
> before people see what I have to say, no matter
> how big of one I am.
>
> Commendatore.

RESton Peace Wrote:
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> Mephisto, you DO seem to have a fixation on
> man-to-man action, I'm just saying this as a
> friend. As a friend who is keeping a little
> distance. Because of the man-to-man action.

Don't flatter yourself, sweetcheeks. You're totally not my type.

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I dont like the smell of smoke, so I simply avoid bars and restaurants that are heavy in smoke. I dont complain to the government and have them outlaw something just because it annoys me.

Travis Wrote:
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> I dont like the smell of smoke, so I simply avoid
> bars and restaurants that are heavy in smoke. I
> dont complain to the government and have them
> outlaw something just because it annoys me.

Thank you.

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Douchebag says what?

WashingTone Locian Wrote:
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> I went to a restaurant last night and sat in the
> "no-smoking" section. I might as well have sat in
> the smoking section.
>
> Smoking is a public nuisance. If you want to do it
> in the privacy of your own home or outside, fine.
> But I don't go over and shit on your table, so I
> prefer you not blow your cancer sticks my
> direction.

Were you at Glory Days? The same shit happens there, the non-smoking section smells like shit because they don't properly ventilate the building, or you're on the other side of a half wall separating you from a chain smoking table.

I asked a waitress at Murphy's in Old Town one time why they bother with a two-table no-smoking section when the entire rest of the bar is smokable. She said it had something to do the way the laws are written that they have to offer non-smoking seating to allow smoking in the building, or something like that. It was a while ago.

If you're going to a fancy sit-down restaurant, then yeah, I can understand not wanting to eat in a cloud of carcinogenic vapor.

Bars, on the other hand, are for drinking, smoking, and flirting shamelessly. Business always suffers following a smoking ban, unless the owners loophole the laws like they did in Washington (state).

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DoucheBag Wrote:
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> Mephisto, you have a strange obsession with men
> performing oral sex on other men. Most of us quit
> using insults of the 'you're a fag' variety
> sometime around the fourth grade.
>
> MrMephisto Wrote:
> > Why don't you grow a pair of balls, take your
> > mouth off of every minority dick you can find,
> and
> > be a man for once.


He's about as weird as they come...he's been stalking me for about a month now. Do you think it's just an infatuaution or true love.

All you whining nicotine addicts are out of step with reality. Many major cities/states have restrictions on publically ingesting nicotine. The rights of the public overweigh the rights of addicts. I love it when addicts wrap their addiction around "freedom"...you are one hell of a patriot McPesto!



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Vince(1) Wrote:
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> He's about as weird as they come...

That's the sweetest thing you've ever said about me.

> he's been
> stalking me for about a month now. Do you think
> it's just an infatuaution or true love.

Sometimes I have a bad day, and I want to take it out on someone really, really stupid. You provide a valuable service.

> All you whining nicotine addicts are out of step
> with reality. Many major cities/states have
> restrictions on publically ingesting nicotine.
> The rights of the public overweigh the rights of
> addicts. I love it when addicts wrap their
> addiction around "freedom"...you are one hell of a
> patriot McPesto!

I know you don't understand the concept of "precedent" or "slippery slope," so this will probably be lost upon you.

When should the rights of the public not overweigh [sic] the rights of a group the public disagrees with? Does that mean gays shouldn't be allowed to get married, because it's against public sentiment? Illegal immigrants should be deported en mass because the public doesn't think they belong here?

Ever hear about that time the British thought their rights should overweigh [sic] ours? What about when the public overweighed [sic] people who wanted to drink alcohol?

It's how the government erodes your rights; they take one large issue and break it down into bite-sized chunks that individually are easy to legislate against.

You believe that illegal immigrants are more valuable than honest citizens, guns should be outlawed, and all religion should be banned by the government. You believe in restricting the rights of free people even further than they already are, and you call me unpatriotic for disagreeing.

How very, very republikan of you.

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This is just another example of people crying to the government instead of the owners of the establishments that should have the right to take the responsibility if they desire. If the business owner wants to ban smoking, cool, but this should not be left to the government.

mcs Wrote:
>>> This is just another example of people crying to the government instead of the owners of the establishments that should have the right to take the responsibility if they desire. If the business owner wants to ban smoking, cool, but this should not be left to the government.


I agree. If I personally owned a restaurant, I would ban smoking. That's not the kind of place I would want. But.... it should certainly not be up to the government to tell me how to operate my establishment.

TheMeeper Wrote:

>
>
> I agree. If I personally owned a restaurant, I
> would ban smoking. That's not the kind of place I
> would want. But.... it should certainly not be up
> to the government to tell me how to operate my
> establishment.


I agree and maybe if I did own my own place Id do the same BUT a restaurant owner would want to get as many people as he could, paying customers through the door and not limit himself SO he wouldnt want to sustain a drop in business by denying smokers. Bad for business since most bars and restaurants fail withing a year of opening.

TheMeeper Wrote:
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> mcs Wrote:
> >>> This is just another example of people crying
> to the government instead of the owners of the
> establishments that should have the right to take
> the responsibility if they desire. If the
> business owner wants to ban smoking, cool, but
> this should not be left to the government.
>
>
> I agree. If I personally owned a restaurant, I
> would ban smoking. That's not the kind of place I
> would want. But.... it should certainly not be up
> to the government to tell me how to operate my
> establishment.

Exactly. The smokers and non-smokers would segregate themselves. Nobody should have the right to make a privately-owned business cater to their personal preferences. If that's the route we're going to go, I'm going to complain to the government that vulgarity shouldn't be present in any restaurant that has a kid's menu, starting with http://www.dirtydickscrabs.com/.

Then, because I'm still a whiny bitch, I'll complain to the government that the urine smell in the bathroom at my favorite dive bar is unpleasant, and I shouldn't have to smell unpleasant things in a liquor-serving shit hole.

See? I can be as hateful as any uptight, non-smoking prick.

These are the same goddamn people that call and complain to the FCC instead of changing the fucking station. "Waaahhh, I should be able to listen to a station playing the Howard Stern show and not get offended."

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Vince(1) Wrote:
>
> All you whining nicotine addicts are out of step
> with reality. Many major cities/states have
> restrictions on publically ingesting nicotine.
> The rights of the public overweigh the rights of
> addicts. I love it when addicts wrap their
> addiction around "freedom"...you are one hell of a
> patriot McPesto!

http://www.wtopnews.com/?nid=600&sid=1595158


Vince,
Listen here you facist queer lovin' cocksucker. You seem to forget where you live. You best pack your Ikea futons up into that solar powered rice burner of yours, and get your patty cake ass back north of the Potomac where your kind likes to breed. You'll feel right at home with the all queer bosses, thug culture, and Jew money managers. Yankee Paradise awaits north of the Mason Dixon. You see the rights of individuals come first here in The Old Dominion. Our duly elected Attorney Generals have concluded that enforcing smoking bans on Virginians in private settings has no place in this Commonwealth. Especially when plenty of soulless cookie cutter joints w/ similar clientele are already smoke free. What more do you want? Ohh yeah, facist liberals always want it ALL!! Can't wait for your Nazi bill to fail as soon as it hits the floor in the VA General Assembly...assuming it even makes it there.

Maybe it has not been stated this way on this thread..at least I have not seen it...

You do not have the right to dine/drink at a particular establishment. You have the ability to do so, but not the unfettered right. (if you disagree, cite the State or Federal statute)

I will assume that you are unable to cite to anything guaranteeing you that righe. Further assume that that particular establishment chooses to allow smoking. That gives you the choice to either patronize the establishment or not. It does not give you the power to say that you have the right to patronize under your terms/conditions.

Go the F*** away. How other states have seen fit to enact legislation to the contrary is beyond me.

70chip Wrote:
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> Vince(1) Wrote:
> >
> > All you whining nicotine addicts are out of
> step
> > with reality. Many major cities/states have
> > restrictions on publically ingesting nicotine.
> > The rights of the public overweigh the rights
> of
> > addicts. I love it when addicts wrap their
> > addiction around "freedom"...you are one hell of
> a
> > patriot McPesto!
>
> http://www.wtopnews.com/?nid=600&sid=1595158
>
>
> Vince,
> Listen here you facist queer lovin' cocksucker.
> You seem to forget where you live. You best pack
> your Ikea futons up into that solar powered rice
> burner of yours, and get your patty cake ass back
> north of the Potomac where your kind likes to
> breed. You'll feel right at home with the all
> queer bosses, thug culture, and Jew money
> managers. Yankee Paradise awaits north of the
> Mason Dixon. You see the rights of individuals
> come first here in The Old Dominion. Our duly
> elected Attorney Generals have concluded that
> enforcing smoking bans on Virginians in private
> settings has no place in this Commonwealth.
> Especially when plenty of soulless cookie cutter
> joints w/ similar clientele are already smoke
> free. What more do you want? Ohh yeah, facist
> liberals always want it ALL!! Can't wait for your
> Nazi bill to fail as soon as it hits the floor in
> the VA General Assembly...assuming it even makes
> it there.


LOL...an addict wrapping his addiction around "the rights of individuals"! Very sick logic...but then again nicotine is a stronger drug then even heroin. All those "concerned" comments on Westfield HS kids and heroine and you all sit here and wrap the flag around your addictions. What great anerikan patriots.

Restaurants are not private property. THey are licensed by the state to serve the public. As such the state has all sorts of controls over what occurs in them..cigarette smoking is just one of them.

Stop the madness and insane arguments you all are making to protect your nicotine addiction. Get into a 10 step program..pray to god if that will help! But stop wrapping yourselves around the flag!

Vince(1) Wrote:
>>>But stop wrapping yourselves around the flag!


O cruel, needless misunderstanding! O stubborn, self-willed exile from the loving breast!

Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother.

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> Restaurants are not private property. THey are
> licensed by the state to serve the public. As
> such the state has all sorts of controls over what
> occurs in them..cigarette smoking is just one of
> them.
>
> Stop the madness and insane arguments you all are
> making to protect your nicotine addiction. Get
> into a 10 step program..pray to god if that will
> help! But stop wrapping yourselves around the
> flag!

You are, always have been, and always will be one dumb mother fucker.

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Oh boy MrMcPesto...you sure do speak sweet. Are you in love with someone?

It hasn't passed yet folks.


A few hours after Howell (R-Stafford) and Kaine stood together to unveil their plan, the legislation was approved by a House committee. It will be taken up Monday by the full House for a vote.

Kaine and Howell both predict the legislation will be approved. But opposition was building Thursday night, not only from the powerful tobacco and business communities but also from influential anti-smoking activists who did not think the proposal was comprehensive enough.

Similar bills have dies in committees several times in the past few years. Though it looks like this has a good chance of passing.

TheMeeper Wrote:
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> I agree. If I personally owned a restaurant, I
> would ban smoking. That's not the kind of place I
> would want. But.... it should certainly not be up
> to the government to tell me how to operate my
> establishment.

Unfortunately, some businesses that serve the public take advantage of "self monitoring" to abuse voluntary established guidelines.

Sometimes, it is a minor inconvenience for the patrons. Other times it can be harmful or deadly.

It only takes a few "bad apples" to rot the entire basket and ruin the reputation of the orchard.

The big plus for this bill is that if you live in an area with just one bar close by (me) you dont have to go into a carcinogen pit to watch a sporting match etc...

This would be great for me - walk to the bar.

Its a public space and its a public health issue. Therefore the government does have some grounds to enforce some rules. Its a good compromise to have a ventilated area for smokers to use. Its not as if they are getting tossed out all on the street. Is it discrimination? Separate but equal jim crow law for smokers? No because its a public health issue. Being of a different race and being segregated isnt a health issue but smoking and sending carcinogenic smoke into a non smokers lungs is. This compromise is an excellent deal for everyone.

Salmonella in peanut butter is a public health issue. Faulty bridges are a public health issue. Contaminated water is a public health issue. Improperly stored nuclear waste is a public health issue.

If you're genetically predisposed to cancer, you're going to get it whether or not you live in a bubble your entire life (see also: Andy Kaufman). Going to a smoke-filled bar isn't going to give you emphysema the next day. There are already non-smoking bars, restaurants, etc. The options exist, and the law of supply and demand should drive a business's smoking policy.

But no, let's instead make laws restricting freedom of choice, for whatever asinine purpose.

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The idiot population of this moronic inferno of a country continue to give away rights that they will never get back.

MrMephisto Wrote:
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> Salmonella in peanut butter is a public health
> issue. Faulty bridges are a public health issue.
> Contaminated water is a public health issue.
> Improperly stored nuclear waste is a public health
> issue.
>
> If you're genetically predisposed to cancer,
> you're going to get it whether or not you live in
> a bubble your entire life (see also: Andy
> Kaufman). Going to a smoke-filled bar isn't going
> to give you emphysema the next day. There are
> already non-smoking bars, restaurants, etc. The
> options exist, and the law of supply and demand
> should drive a business's smoking policy.
>
> But no, let's instead make laws restricting
> freedom of choice, for whatever asinine purpose.


Salmonella in peanuts, Faulty bridges, Contaminated water and Improperly stored nuclear waste are public health issues perpetrators of whom can be prosecuted by the government. Smoking is a proven public health issue. Why not be preventative rather than reactionary so that people dont have health issues after the fact rather than after the fact?

Understand the Ban will apply to all bars and restaurants except Waffle King.

Thanks for making my point. You are an idiot.

Cigar Aficionado Wrote:
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> Maybe it has not been stated this way on this
> thread..at least I have not seen it...
>
> You do not have the right to dine/drink at a
> particular establishment. You have the ability to
> do so, but not the unfettered right. (if you
> disagree, cite the State or Federal statute)
>
> I will assume that you are unable to cite to
> anything guaranteeing you that righe. Further
> assume that that particular establishment chooses
> to allow smoking. That gives you the choice to
> either patronize the establishment or not. It
> does not give you the power to say that you have
> the right to patronize under your
> terms/conditions.
>
> Go the F*** away. How other states have seen fit
> to enact legislation to the contrary is beyond me.


Every employee has the right to go to work in a place, free from to exposure to harmful levels of known carcinogens and poisons. Second hand smoke and yes, now ambient residue present a measured risk to the employees. That is not right. Why should someone whom has chosen to be a food server have pick between safe places of employment and unreasonably dangerous places of employment.

I suppose the employer could offer breathing masks and decontamination. But they do not; and will not will they? So they count on professionals willing to expose themselves to dangerous work conditions in order to earn a living.

Every employee has the right to go to work in a place, free from to exposure to harmful levels of known carcinogens and poisons. Second hand smoke and yes, now ambient residue present a measured risk to the employees. That is not right. Why should someone whom has chosen to be a food server have pick between safe places of employment and unreasonably dangerous places of employment.

Let's just let the government control every aspect of everyone's life. Remember, they're the government and they know best. When people trade freedom for security they end up with neither.

As an asthma sufferer I applaud a ban on smoking in restaurants.

As an asthma sufferer I applaud a ban on smoking in restaurants.

You fucking pussy, it's not all about you.

dono Wrote:
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>
> Every employee has the right to go to work in a
> place, free from to exposure to harmful levels of
> known carcinogens and poisons. Second hand smoke
> and yes, now ambient residue present a measured
> risk to the employees. That is not right. Why
> should someone whom has chosen to be a food server
> have pick between safe places of employment and
> unreasonably dangerous places of employment.
>

I guess the military need to get the memo. Those gals and guys seem to exposed to some rather dangerous places in line with their employment.

Yes, I am a smoker, and am against the Government getting involved in additional regulation of individuals freedoms.

And what about those guys on "Deadliest Catch"?

My god. I wonder how humanity ever survived before we became afraid of everything.

In the 1940's, you could still smoke your unfiltered cigarettes right in the office where you worked. They issued cigarettes to soldiers in the military. What happened? We kicked Germany's ass.

Now, we're a nation of pussies, scared of our own shadows, and begging the people in charge to tell us how to live. No wonder we can't find one guy living in a cave in the desert.

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SRE Wrote:
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> dono Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > > Yes, I am a smoker, and am against the Government
> getting involved in additional regulation of
> individuals freedoms.
>
> And what about those guys on "Deadliest Catch"?

jesus christ....cant you addicts just stop with this patriotic crap when it comes to your addiction? imagine how you'd react if heroine addicts were using the same rationale for their addiction...you'd be discusted. It's like the baseball player who after adjusing his jock strap kisses his crucifix up to god...ridiculous. there is no individual freedom associated with your addiction...none!

Steve Wilhite Wrote:
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> Every employee has the right to go to work in a
> place, free from to exposure to harmful levels of
> known carcinogens and poisons. Second hand smoke
> and yes, now ambient residue present a measured
> risk to the employees. That is not right. Why
> should someone whom has chosen to be a food server
> have pick between safe places of employment and
> unreasonably dangerous places of employment.
>
> Let's just let the government control every aspect
> of everyone's life. Remember, they're the
> government and they know best. When people trade
> freedom for security they end up with neither.

Well idiot your freedom to swing your fist ends another person's nose. Its a freedom to smoke. It is not a freedom to harm others. You cannot claim that harming others is some express right. You cannot place that in the rubric of freedom. Its a bullshit strawman.

SRE Wrote:
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> dono Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > Every employee has the right to go to work in a
> > place, free from to exposure to harmful levels
> of
> > known carcinogens and poisons. Second hand
> smoke
> > and yes, now ambient residue present a measured
> > risk to the employees. That is not right. Why
> > should someone whom has chosen to be a food
> server
> > have pick between safe places of employment and
> > unreasonably dangerous places of employment.
> >
>
> I guess the military need to get the memo. Those
> gals and guys seem to exposed to some rather
> dangerous places in line with their employment.
>
> Yes, I am a smoker, and am against the Government
> getting involved in additional regulation of
> individuals freedoms.
>
> And what about those guys on "Deadliest Catch"?


Okay another moron another stupid strawman. Crabs live in the ocean. To catch them you have to take a boat out into the ocean. Its dangerous there true, but that is where the resource is.

While many smokers do use bars for their breeding ground, the smoke is not actually needed. Crabs, they need the ocean. Waiters do not need your fucking poison.

You wanna smoke, fine, stop being an asshole and step outside, downwind from others and smoke.

MrMephisto Wrote:
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> My god. I wonder how humanity ever survived
> before we became afraid of everything.
>
> In the 1940's, you could still smoke your
> unfiltered cigarettes right in the office where
> you worked. They issued cigarettes to soldiers in
> the military. What happened? We kicked Germany's
> ass.
>
> Now, we're a nation of pussies, scared of our own
> shadows, and begging the people in charge to tell
> us how to live. No wonder we can't find one guy
> living in a cave in the desert.

Wait did you say good old days?



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dono Wrote:
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> MrMephisto Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > My god. I wonder how humanity ever survived
> > before we became afraid of everything.
> >
> > In the 1940's, you could still smoke your
> > unfiltered cigarettes right in the office where
> > you worked. They issued cigarettes to soldiers
> in
> > the military. What happened? We kicked
> Germany's
> > ass.
> >
> > Now, we're a nation of pussies, scared of our
> own
> > shadows, and begging the people in charge to
> tell
> > us how to live. No wonder we can't find one
> guy
> > living in a cave in the desert.
>
> Yea the good old days when lung cancer was a relatively new phenom brought on by your wonderful cigarettes (http://ajrccm.atsjournals.org/cgi/reprint/200504-531OEv1.pdf);the good old days when our government could put 150,000 Japanese-American citizens in interment camps (but not German-American or Italian-American citezens) and you could still lynch the black man without reprisal. We were so brave back then. Its called progress moron - Fuck you.



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dono Wrote:
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> Yea the good old days when lung cancer was a
> relatively new phenom brought on by your wonderful
> cigarettes
> (http://ajrccm.atsjournals.org/cgi/reprint/200504-
> 531OEv1.pdf);the good old days when our government
> could put 150,000 Japanese-American citizens in
> interment camps (but not German-American or
> Italian-American citezens) and you could still
> lynch the black man without reprisal. We were so
> brave back then. Its called progress moron - Fuck
> you.

I'm not talking about politics or social issues, I'm talking about health issues. There's not a smoker alive who will say that cigarettes are good for you. But the same media that tells you secondhand smoke is going to kill you dead just like firsthand smokers also can't make up their mind whether or not eggs are good for you.

I am not saying there's no danger from cigarettes; what I'm saying is that people have a choice whether or not they want to work at or go to a smoke-filled bar. Places already have the choice whether or not to allow smoking, and every job has workplace hazards.

Again, nobody seems to understand precedent. When the War on Smoking is won, what's next? Chewing tobacco? "Eww, I shoudln't have to watch them spit while I'm eating dinner. Make it illegal!" And if we're eliminating on-the-job hazards, why don't we get rid of stoves, knives, slippery-when-wet tile floors, and corners on tables or counter tops?

It's a crying shame that you can't smoke in a strip club. Because, you know, we need those bastions of purity to not smell like a dirty ashtray. Wouldn't want the strippers complaining that their naughty nurse outfit smells like smoke.

And Vinke, equating a smoker to a heroin junkie demonstrates your complete inability to grasp reality. When's the last time you heard about some crazed nicotine fiend breaking into cars or giving hand-jobs for cigarettes? I bet you absolutely love the smell of your own farts.

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Rufus T. Firefly Wrote:
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> The idiot population of this moronic inferno of a
> country continue to give away rights that they
> will never get back.


no where in the constitution does it say you have a right to pollute and endanger the lives of others by smoking.

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> Rufus T. Firefly Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The idiot population of this moronic inferno of
> a
> > country continue to give away rights that they
> > will never get back.
>
>
> no where in the constitution does it say you have
> a right to pollute and endanger the lives of
> others by smoking.

It also doesn't say we have the right to pollute the air and water, but we do that, too. And don't bother pointing at the "green" movement; unless we discover a completely clean and universal energy source that runs on trash and refuse, there's always going to be air and water pollution.

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Vince(1) Wrote:
>>> no where in the constitution does it say you have a right to pollute and endanger the lives of others by smoking.


Typical "anti-american" scare tactic: "It's not in the Constitution, therefore we have total power over society"

You're really no better than the latest Dick Cheney bullshit.

You fucking prole.

> It also doesn't say we have the right to pollute
> the air and water, but we do that, too. And don't
> bother pointing at the "green" movement; unless we
> discover a completely clean and universal energy
> source that runs on trash and refuse, there's
> always going to be air and water pollution.

Thats the stupidest thing Ive ever heard. No where in this country is polluting air or water without constraint legal. And no is talking about criminalizing smoking in their homes....merely constraining it.

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> Thats the stupidest thing Ive ever heard. No
> where in this country is polluting air or water
> without constraint legal.

"Without constraint?" So at when does one carcinogen become preferable over another? What level of pollution and environmental contamination is the cut-off point for whether or not it's ok?

> And no is talking about
> criminalizing smoking in their homes....merely
> constraining it.

Not yet. Thanks to people like you, though, what's the next logical step? No smoking in your apartment, because third-hand smoke residue is a danger to the next tenant?

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Steve Wilhite Wrote:
> Let's just let the government control every aspect
> of everyone's life. Remember, they're the
> government and they know best. When people trade
> freedom for security they end up with neither.

You won't have long to wait. The "people" voted for just such government representatives.

MrMephisto Wrote:
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> Vince(1) Wrote:
> > And no is talking about
> > criminalizing smoking in their homes....merely
> > constraining it.
>
> Not yet. Thanks to people like you, though,
> what's the next logical step? No smoking in your
> apartment, because third-hand smoke residue is a
> danger to the next tenant?

If it's true..perhaps. Let me approach this from a direction you republicans understand...money. We all got upset this week by the women who had 8 kids at once..for a total of 14. What was the gist of most of those objections?...I dont want to pay for her kids...otherwise have you want. Well...the issue of nicotine addicts isnt a constitutional one....its an econimc one.

Why should my health costs be higher because you choose to be addicted?

Why should there be a reduction in efficiency because you are an addict?

The financial issues go on and on and on...and there is no good reason to being a nicotine addict.

Now that logic could be stretched to outlawing cigarettes all together...which I do not support because it would do nothing but create a black market for them. But short of that...Im open to what makes sense based upon the facts/science.

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> Im open to
> what makes sense based upon the facts/science.

Rriigghhtt.

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MrMephisto Wrote:
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> dono Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Yea the good old days when lung cancer was a
> > relatively new phenom brought on by your
> wonderful
> > cigarettes
> >
> (http://ajrccm.atsjournals.org/cgi/reprint/200504-
>
> > 531OEv1.pdf);the good old days when our
> government
> > could put 150,000 Japanese-American citizens in
> > interment camps (but not German-American or
> > Italian-American citezens) and you could still
> > lynch the black man without reprisal. We were
> so
> > brave back then. Its called progress moron -
> Fuck
> > you.
>
> I'm not talking about politics or social issues,
> I'm talking about health issues. There's not a
> smoker alive who will say that cigarettes are good
> for you. But the same media that tells you
> secondhand smoke is going to kill you dead just
> like firsthand smokers also can't make up their
> mind whether or not eggs are good for you. either you are a troll or just not thinking. Its not the 'media' telling us (though we do rely on them to tell us Obama is a terrorist, or a muslim) it is peer reviewed scientific studies like these http://www.no-smoke.org/pdf/SHSBibliography.pdf. See there some facts. You dont have to be lazy and believe or dis-believe the media. Today with teh internet tubes you can find out for yourself (that would be similar to the 'self-independence' you seem to laud from the good old days). There really is no controversy over second hand smoke so give up you absurd argument it is merely something invented the media.
>
> I am not saying there's no danger from cigarettes;
> what I'm saying is that people have a choice
> whether or not they want to work at or go to a
> smoke-filled bar. Places already have the choice
> whether or not to allow smoking, and every job has
> workplace hazards.
>
> Again, nobody seems to understand precedent. When
> the War on Smoking is won, Bill? Bill O'Reily is that you? Okay I can stop responding to your worthless nonsense - thanks for playing what's next? Chewing
> tobacco? "Eww, I shoudln't have to watch them
> spit while I'm eating dinner. Make it illegal!"
> And if we're eliminating on-the-job hazards, why
> don't we get rid of stoves, knives,
> slippery-when-wet tile floors, and corners on
> tables or counter tops?
>
> It's a crying shame that you can't smoke in a
> strip club. Because, you know, we need those
> bastions of purity to not smell like a dirty
> ashtray. Wouldn't want the strippers complaining
> that their naughty nurse outfit smells like
> smoke.
>
> And Vinke, equating a smoker to a heroin junkie
> demonstrates your complete inability to grasp
> reality. When's the last time you heard about
> some crazed nicotine fiend breaking into cars or
> giving hand-jobs for cigarettes? I bet you
> absolutely love the smell of your own farts.



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And Vinke, equating a smoker to a heroin junkie
> demonstrates your complete inability to grasp
> reality. When's the last time you heard about
> some crazed nicotine fiend breaking into cars or
> giving hand-jobs for cigarettes? I bet you
> absolutely love the smell of your own farts.

The reality is that the only thing that seperates nicotine addicts from heroine addicts is the price each is asked to pay! I have long been a proponent of legalizing most nartcotic drugs. Legalizingalong with a program to educate and rehabilitate those addicts. I support such a program for nicotine addicts as well.

Do not question my reality Sir....your last statement about farts shows the illusionary world you live in....everyone loves the smell of their own bodily functions. If you are filled with such self loathing as to be an exception to that rule...I feel sorry for you.

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> Do not question my reality Sir....your last
> statement about farts shows the illusionary world
> you live in....everyone loves the smell of their
> own bodily functions. If you are filled with such
> self loathing as to be an exception to that
> rule...I feel sorry for you.

You could not have walked into this more perfectly. You come to the battle of wits unarmed, uninformed, and hog-tied. Not even worth the effort anymore.



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silly boys paly silly games...and you are the best. Nothing here is going to stop me from speaking the truth!

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> silly boys paly silly games...and you are the
> best. Nothing here is going to stop me from
> speaking the truth!

Anybody who believes what you say is the truth is a fool, and deserves everything they get for being weak and stupid. Let me know when you wake up. We'll talk more then.

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Listen here you facist queer lovin' cocksucker. You seem to forget where you live. You best pack your Ikea futons up into that solar powered rice burner of yours, and get your patty cake ass back north of the Potomac where your kind likes to breed. You'll feel right at home with the all queer bosses, thug culture, and Jew money managers. Yankee Paradise awaits north of the Mason Dixon. You see the rights of individuals come first here in The Old Dominion. Our duly elected Attorney Generals have concluded that enforcing smoking bans on Virginians in private settings has no place in this Commonwealth. Especially when plenty of soulless cookie cutter joints w/ similar clientele are already smoke free. What more do you want? Ohh yeah, facist liberals always want it ALL!! Can't wait for your Nazi bill to fail as soon as it hits the floor in the VA General Assembly...assuming it even makes it there.

+1!

Steve Wilhite Wrote:
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> Every employee has the right to go to work in a
> place, free from to exposure to harmful levels of
> known carcinogens and poisons. Second hand smoke
> and yes, now ambient residue present a measured
> risk to the employees. That is not right. Why
> should someone whom has chosen to be a food server
> have pick between safe places of employment and
> unreasonably dangerous places of employment.
>
> Let's just let the government control every aspect
> of everyone's life. Remember, they're the
> government and they know best. When people trade
> freedom for security they end up with neither.

Well idiot your freedom to swing your fist ends another person's nose. Its a freedom to smoke. It is not a freedom to harm others. You cannot claim that harming others is some express right. You cannot place that in the rubric of freedom. Its a bullshit strawman.

You are too stupit to even know how stupid you are

Steve Wilhite Wrote:
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> Every employee has the right to go to work in a
> place, free from to exposure to harmful levels of
> known carcinogens and poisons. Second hand smoke
> and yes, now ambient residue present a measured
> risk to the employees. That is not right. Why
> should someone whom has chosen to be a food server
> have pick between safe places of employment and
> unreasonably dangerous places of employment.
>
> Let's just let the government control every aspect
> of everyone's life. Remember, they're the
> government and they know best. When people trade
> freedom for security they end up with neither.


Jesus another complete moron you again.

Trading 'security' for freedom is what the terrorist/Republican scam is all about. I am not discussing that idiot.

Yelling 'fire' in a crowded theater might be a coveted freedom to some but, no, I do not think the government should allow it (absent a true emergency). Yes, I think trading my own freedom to yell 'fire' in a theater (absent an emergency) is worth yielding so that I know my family and I will not be fucking trampled while watching Flicka on Presidents day.

You fucking moron. Honestly. You think this flag-waving bullshit is a substitute for a functioning brain. Go Dick Cheney yourself...



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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/01/2010 02:43PM by inkahootz.

nothing is nicer than walking into a dark smokey strip club. ahh! the smell of cigarettes and cheap perfume.

MrMephisto Wrote:
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> Vince(1) Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Do not question my reality Sir....your last
> > statement about farts shows the illusionary
> world
> > you live in....everyone loves the smell of
> their
> > own bodily functions. If you are filled with
> such
> > self loathing as to be an exception to that
> > rule...I feel sorry for you.
>
> You could not have walked into this more
> perfectly. You come to the battle of wits
> unarmed, uninformed, and hog-tied. Not even worth
> the effort anymore.
>
>


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahDYeD4cZis&feature=related

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Alias Wrote:
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> Vince,
>
> What did you mean when you said the following:
>
> "You can smoke all you want in your home....for
> now."

not a thing...just pushing buttons

Vince(1),

Name a place you won't go to because they allow smoking.

Don't tell a story, just name that place.

I have a hard time reconciling government telling private businesses
that they can't allow smoking, even if those are open to the public.
Why can't non-smoking just be a personal consumer choice, and a
competitive opportunity for the business? That being said, I've
recently been living in a non-smoking state for a while, and I much
prefer not having to deal with the smoke. The restaurants and bars
were very upset at being forced into this and said that profits would
suffer. What happened in reality is that profits went up.

FUCK you anti smoking people. stop being such pussies... god damn, grow a pair

lets smoke Wrote:
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> FUCK you anti smoking people. stop being such
> pussies... god damn, grow a pair


junky! thats just the drug talking.

TheMeeper Wrote:
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> Vince(1),
>
> Name a place you won't go to because they allow
> smoking.
>
> Don't tell a story, just name that place.


None...now ask all those nicotine junkies the same question in reverse. Every state/city that has instituted non-smoking policies have survived very well. Going outside to smoke is no big deal...it even saves the addict money and their health,



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Vince(1) Wrote:
>>> None...

Point proven.

Damn, Kilroy's in Springfield is gross. I like the fact that for sporting events they have tons of screens and avid fans. That along with a good selection of beers on tap. Holy crap though, I literally change in my laundry room so my clothes are not in the main living area they reek so much.

TheMeeper Wrote:
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> Vince(1) Wrote:
> >>> None...
>
> Point proven.


Not at all...I didnt realize this entire thread was about me! We are talking public policy.

Cigarettes' Cost in Dollars and Lives
State, Taxpayers Bear Financial Burden of Smoking-Related Diseases

Longtime smoker Don Eason had surgery to remove his right lung and part of his left. His mother, Susie Eason, 91, calls him a miracle.
Longtime smoker Don Eason had surgery to remove his right lung and part of his left. His mother, Susie Eason, 91, calls him a miracle. (Photos By Jay Paul For The Washington Post)

Fleet Wright, who smoked a pack a day for 45 years and must now use an oxygen tank,
By Fredrick Kunkle
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, February 9, 2009; Page B01

SUFFOLK, Va. -- Second of two reports examining the impact of tobacco on Virginia http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/02/08/AR2009020802297.html

If don't like a place because it allows people to smoke then go to a bar that doesn't allow smoking. Wow that was so easy. Let's not waste taxpayer dollars on this foolish issue.

Cowboy Wrote:
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> If don't like a place because it allows people to
> smoke then go to a bar that doesn't allow smoking.
> Wow that was so easy. Let's not waste taxpayer
> dollars on this foolish issue.

Wow, smoking costs US taxpayers Billions each year in Medicade - how bout not treating the morons that choose to smoke. That would be easier.

Putting the label of "addicts" and "junkies" on smokers who think we should still be allowed to smoke in the bar we're drinking in is an insult to alcoholics and heroin fiends everywhere. It's a propoganda technique like calling people "unpatriotic."

Like calling homosexuality an "abomination," demonizing a personal choice is usually how fanatic assholes rationalize their inability to just leave each other alone.

This is going nowhere. On one side, you've got people who just want to have a smoke with their beer. On the other, you've got people worried that second-hand smoke is going to cause someone to have health problems in 45 to 50 years, so we need to keep it out of everywhere, all the time, no exception.

Go ahead and ban it. We're a nation of whiners electing a government of corrupt whiners, and we get what we deserve.

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The bar should just have a sign "Smokers Only." Then all these whiney non-smokers will know to go else where.

If I owned a bar, I would just institute a membership fee and turn it into a private establishment. I think one penny a year sounds like a reasonable amount. I'd even do up little membership cards that you'd have to show with your ID.

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