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NPL - National Premier League for Virgina
Posted by: new soccer dad ()
Date: May 20, 2014 12:03PM

With new NPL in Virgina starting up, does this mean CCL is now mid-tier. If CCL requires a top-team to be playing in its league, how do clubs decide this. I know PWSI recently removed itself from CCL, not sure what that means.

My son is currenlty trying out in U9 for travel in NOVA clubs. Not sure if I should be taking the leagues clubs play in into consideration.

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Re: NPL - National Premier League for Virgina
Posted by: SOL ()
Date: May 20, 2014 12:08PM

The thing about NPL is that you always have to keep it on the DL, LOL.

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Re: NPL - National Premier League for Virgina
Posted by: anon4 ()
Date: May 20, 2014 12:20PM


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Re: NPL - National Premier League for Virgina
Posted by: soccerist ()
Date: May 20, 2014 01:10PM

new soccer dad Wrote:
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> My son is currenlty trying out in U9 for travel in
> NOVA clubs. Not sure if I should be taking the
> leagues clubs play in into consideration.


Yes you should and it is a moving target. Leagues in rank order:

1. Academy - Bethesda, PWSI, SAC, and DC United
2. NPL - EDP, VA NPL
3. Region 1 - Premier, Colonial
4. NCSL
5. ODSL

At U9 tho, you pretty much only have NCSL and ODSL and now VA NPL.

CCL was a good idea poorly executed. It was supposed to be only top clubs, providing two teams each. It became many clubs, some with two teams, some with one. The competition was spotty, with powerhouse clubs playing tiny clubs with lopsided results. Loudoun, Arlington, and PWSI were always on top.

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Re: NPL - National Premier League for Virgina
Posted by: Gio ()
Date: May 20, 2014 05:06PM

Soccerist,
CCL is not supposed to have two teams per club. It is one per age group (except U9 and U10, where there are two each). NPL is a separate entity and provides more 'regional' games, but not every club who enters has a team in each age group. Its supposed to offer good competition and the opportnity to play teams not in your local area (or state). Here is the differemce.
CCL is club- oriented and there are 15 clubs. If you're an academy or ECNL club, you don't qualify as you must play your top teams to stay in; hence, PWSI is leaving this summer. It includes teams from all over Virginia (Beach FC, VA Legacy, Roanoke, SOCA, etc) as well as the top northern VA clubs (Loudoun, BRYC, Annandale, FASA, SYA, Arlington, and McLean is joining) and a few in DC/ Maryland. To be in, you must have a technical director and a strong club structure. All teams play at the same site every week- so perhaps all of Loudoun goes to Annandale, or SOCA comes to Arlington (9-10s excluded from the distant travel). You can move players around to give them chances to step up by either playing them up a year, or by bringing a "B" team player from your NCSL or WAGS team to the CCL team for a game. There is no relegation. Contrary to your statement, Loudoun, Arlington, and PWSI are not always on top; PWSI has some very weak teams, Loudoun is not at the top in every group, and Arlington is overall stronger on the boys' side. SOCA has done very well in CCL. Teams move up and down from one year to the next. CCL is not played in the spring for high school teams; they play fall and then showcase through the winter.
NPL/ EDP games are played for the most part in the winter and spring seasons. There are multiple divisions (2) in each group, and the league is divided into north, central, and south IIRC. While you'll see clubs you don't see in league play- the Bays come to mind here- you will also see Herndon playing McLean, or similar matchups due to the division placement referenced above..

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Re: NPL - National Premier League for Virgina
Posted by: Soccerist ()
Date: May 21, 2014 02:35PM

Gio Wrote:
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> Soccerist,
> CCL is not supposed to have two teams per club. It
> is one per age group (except U9 and U10, where
> there are two each). NPL is a separate entity and
> provides more 'regional' games, but not every club
> who enters has a team in each age group. Its
> supposed to offer good competition and the
> opportnity to play teams not in your local area
> (or state). Here is the differemce.
> CCL is club- oriented and there are 15 clubs. If
> you're an academy or ECNL club, you don't qualify
> as you must play your top teams to stay in; hence,
> PWSI is leaving this summer. It includes teams
> from all over Virginia (Beach FC, VA Legacy,
> Roanoke, SOCA, etc) as well as the top northern VA
> clubs (Loudoun, BRYC, Annandale, FASA, SYA,
> Arlington, and McLean is joining) and a few in DC/
> Maryland. To be in, you must have a technical
> director and a strong club structure. All teams
> play at the same site every week- so perhaps all
> of Loudoun goes to Annandale, or SOCA comes to
> Arlington (9-10s excluded from the distant
> travel). You can move players around to give them
> chances to step up by either playing them up a
> year, or by bringing a "B" team player from your
> NCSL or WAGS team to the CCL team for a game.
> There is no relegation. Contrary to your
> statement, Loudoun, Arlington, and PWSI are not
> always on top; PWSI has some very weak teams,
> Loudoun is not at the top in every group, and
> Arlington is overall stronger on the boys' side.
> SOCA has done very well in CCL. Teams move up and
> down from one year to the next. CCL is not played
> in the spring for high school teams; they play
> fall and then showcase through the winter.
> NPL/ EDP games are played for the most part in the
> winter and spring seasons. There are multiple
> divisions (2) in each group, and the league is
> divided into north, central, and south IIRC. While
> you'll see clubs you don't see in league play- the
> Bays come to mind here- you will also see Herndon
> playing McLean, or similar matchups due to the
> division placement referenced above..

You are pushing the CCL party line. Fact is there are a few highly competitive clubs and many less competitive. How this makes for a good development environment for players on either end of the spectrum is lost on me. This is why results are not published.

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Re: NPL - National Premier League for Virgina
Posted by: Gio ()
Date: May 21, 2014 05:11PM

Standings are published, Soccerist. Individual game scores are not, but you can see the standings. All the clubs are competitive, just not in every age group, and again- it changes from year to year. Any division in NCSL or WAGS will reflect disparity in teams' scores as well. That is the nature of youth soccer. Your point is valid- not everyone is competitive with everyone else- but the same can be said of all the leagues, from ODSL to CCL and EDP/NPL to ECNL and Academy. CCL across the board is a stronger league than NCSL or WAGS. There are still good teams in those, of course, but you can't pull the CCL clubs out and not take a hit. Look at the VYSA list of champions and runners up in state cup- CCL clubs dominate it.
I'm not saying everyone should play CCL by any stretch, but I vehemently disagree that it "was a good idea, poorly executed".
In the end, new soccer dad, find a team where your child likes the rest of the team, where the coach is positive, where he can explain his philosophy for developing kids, and where your child will get on the field during games. Touches, good training, and fun are the critical pieces here- not which league you are in necessarily. By high school, if your child is good and wants to play in college, you need to be looking for teams which can get into top tournaments where college coaches go to recruit- think tournaments such as Bethesda, Annandale, Jefferson Cup, CASL, and for the truly top- tier, Disney. ASsuming the child is young, U9 or U10, then your goal is the playing time, player development, and happiness of your child. If you're thinking of certain teams, go watch a game they play before tryouts to get a feel for how many kids get on the field and how the coach conducts himself on the sideline. You might chat with some parents on the sdieline as well to see what they think of the team.

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Re: NPL - National Premier League for Virgina
Posted by: Soccerist ()
Date: May 22, 2014 10:40AM

Gio Wrote:
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> Standings are published, Soccerist. Individual
> game scores are not, but you can see the
> standings.

This is done because half the games are 1-0 or 2-1, and the rest are 6-0. This is indicative of the wildly different level of competitiveness between the clubs in CCL. Replacing PSWI with MCL might help, as MCL is not as competitive as PWSI on the boys side.

If you want a true measure of the competitiveness of teams, NCSL and ODSL's system of promotion and relegation is the most accurate. It takes time to sort from U11 to U13, but after that, excepting team implosions and such, it is a very good measure.

The problem with NCSL and ODSL is that the very best players and teams are quite literally in a different league. You can watch the NCSL D1 teams disappear from that bracket over time to Region 1, EDP, and Academy.

I do agree that State Cup results are a good measure. To your comment about CCL dominating that, that is only partially correct. Missing CCL clubs from Finalist/Champions list are DCST, FASA, and VA Legacy, more if you include the downstate teams. Also, out of 32 finalists and semifinalist, ABG had 4 teams, Loudoun had 1, ARL had 2, PWSI 4 - strong showing for sure, but certainly not the only home to competitive teams.

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Re: NPL - National Premier League for Virgina
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