Father DeCelles announces that Fairfax County Public Schools constitute "grave dangers to [students] eternal salvation." Encourages an immediate dis-enrollment of all Catholic students. Thoughts?

DeCelles should be spending less time looking for "grave dangers" and should start worrying about the dangers of the grave. Every day the man is one day closer to meeting his behavior, and the "Good Father" is going to have a hard time explaining the things he has done in God's name. Only thing more pathetic than DeCelles are the members of his congregation who can't find the courage to leave.

could you quote the rest of the speech?

it's a monumental call to have all Catholics un-enroll

YOU SAID ANYTHING BUT WHY

WHY IS ONLY THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF IT

my 1st guess is you mis-understood the sermon completely

probably a good guess !

The quote is completely accurate as it is contained in this weeks (June 17, 2016) church bulletin. Please read it if you have any doubt.

Per usual, DeCelles is 100% correct. FCPS teachings are anti-doctrinal of Christian faith. That's just a fact. And FCPS has moved beyond embracing humanist scientific theory as fact and starting pushing far-left social and economic dogma as fact. If you're a Christian, FCPS is your enemy.

I would ecourage those who dont agree with hom to start worrying thst Satan will be coming for you. He is correct...what this culture/commie are shoving down our throat are Satanic lies...to believe, sends you to hell.

The priest is correct.

Fcps is evel

Private is spot on...to fall prey to commie left Is falling prey to Satan.
WKe up erie...btw, what are you doing there...go to another church

DeCelles is faithful to the cult of DeCelles, not the Catholic Church and not the teachings of Jesus Christ. The man is in desperate need of some humility.

Tell me how Fr. DeCelles isn't faithful to the Teaching of the Catholic Church in opposing the FCPS decision. By the way, you can't separate Christ from His Church. If you think you can, then you are actually the one who is unfaithful to the Teachings of Jesus Christ. You can come onto a secular forum and preach human wisdom all you want, but the FCPS decision directly opposes the Teaching of the Catholic Church and Fr. DeCelles has a responsibility to protect his flock from error. You may get your say here, deride him, and encourage others to do the same. By doing so, you are doing several things: publicly speaking against the Church and causing scandal, committing calumny, persisting in error, and encouraging others to do so.

Not necessarily the thoughtful dialogue that I hoped for, but so far so good. Let's continue. I'm curious if this type of sermon is a carry-over from prior assignments or is it new to this parish. Does the diocese ever weigh in?

I'm open to dialogue; are you? How does the FCPS decision align in any way with Catholic teaching? We have a responsibility as Catholics to preach the Truth and when that is endangered by false teaching, particularly teaching directed toward youth (Catholic and non-Catholic alike), it is also our responsibility to refute such errors. Fr. DeCelles is perfectly justified in preaching from the pulpit on this problem. Lay people ought to be shouting it from the street corners and challenging the institutions promulgating this kind of junk.

As citizens of a free society we are free to believe and preach our Truths. We are not entitled to force our Truths on others who are not inclined to believe in our Truths, which is a reasonable position considering how weak the proof is for many of them. Just because our Church has decided that alternative lifestyles are wrong does not mean that our society should. As members of that society we should be engaging in the debate, not trying to shield ourselves from it. If engaging with the secular world that does not accept our Truths undermines those truths, that is a condemnation of the strength of our belief, not of the secular world.

Accepting Father DeCelles position will likely lead to one of two alternatives. The first is that people will no longer be in a society where they are free to preach their Truths. That works out fine if those who accept our Truths prevail, but that result is not inevitable. The second result is to withdraw within ourselves to avoid corruption, and become a cult.

My issues with Father DeCelles date to when he was elsewhere. I saw him drive many people away. Not because of issues of doctrine but rather because of his pettiness and mean spiritedness.

Guyana and Waco Wrote:
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> As citizens of a free society we are free to
> believe and preach our Truths. We are not
> entitled to force our Truths on others who are not
> inclined to believe in our Truths, which is a
> reasonable position considering how weak the proof
> is for many of them. Just because our Church has
> decided that alternative lifestyles are wrong does
> not mean that our society should. As members of
> that society we should be engaging in the debate,
> not trying to shield ourselves from it. If
> engaging with the secular world that does not
> accept our Truths undermines those truths, that is
> a condemnation of the strength of our belief, not
> of the secular world.
>
> Accepting Father DeCelles position will likely
> lead to one of two alternatives. The first is
> that people will no longer be in a society where
> they are free to preach their Truths. That works
> out fine if those who accept our Truths prevail,
> but that result is not inevitable. The second
> result is to withdraw within ourselves to avoid
> corruption, and become a cult.
>
> My issues with Father DeCelles date to when he was
> elsewhere. I saw him drive many people away. Not
> because of issues of doctrine but rather because
> of his pettiness and mean spiritedness.


You are a liar! You never saw him drive anyone away. Your not Catholic and never attended St Raymond's. Your a troll. Your also pretty sick. Quit sticking your penis in another mans asshole or having a penis rammed up yours
and ask God to rid you of the Demon in you.

Guyana and Waco-

A couple of things I would offer in response: You are correct that we live in a free society and shouldn't be coerced into believing anything. God's invitation is always that: an offer, an invitation that a person with free will is open to accept or regret. Coercion isn't part of authentic Catholicism and anyone believing that it is commits error.

Second, the nature of the Church differs from other institutions in that it is a Divine Institution because Jesus founded it. The Holy Spirit guides the Church in matters of faith and morals and keeps it free from error. This doesn't mean that people in the Church don't commit error, but it mean that the Teaching of the Church remains free from it.

When society or a human institution within society promotes an idea contrary to the Teaching of the Church, its members should absolutely enter into dialogue with society at large to offer correction. Since human beings-irrespective of whatever religious belief they have- are capable of error, there is a necessity on the part of the Church to proclaim what is correct, i.e. the Truth of the Gospel, and to protect its members from falling into that error.

As far as coercion goes, FCPS is actually the one guilty of coercion in that students who attend those schools are forced to adopt a set of principles promulgated by FCPS. If a student disagrees, they are ridiculed and ostracized unless they give in to acceptance of beliefs that directly contradict the Faith they profess as Catholics.

Real Catholic Wrote:
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> Guyana and Waco Wrote:
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> You are a liar! You never saw him drive anyone
> away. Your not Catholic and never attended St
> Raymond's.

You are correct that I never attended St. Raymond's. I said I knew Father DeCelles from when he was elsewhere. Having decided I did not approve of him then, I would not attend another Church where he was the priest.

@Really. I appreciate your thoughtful response. I do not agree with your conclusion. In our Church and in our hearts our Truths must prevail. In society our Truths are entitled to no greater respect than the truths of others. This is where Father DeCelles is as guilty as FCPS.

As a recent migrant to this area, I had hoped for an enlightened discussion of my presumptive new parish and its pastor. Obviously I have failed in that regard. After this weeks bulletin, I am more than dismayed at the language and decision to name-call and lump anyone who dissents from a viewpoint as a "leftist." I might expect to hear such things on the news, but not on Sunday when one expects to be uplifted with the Word of God.

A nice person at the Arlington Diocese office tells me that they realize that St. Raymond's is not for everyone, and he/she was kind enough to give me a list of neighborhood parishes to consider. While they discourage registering outside of neighborhood boundaries, something that I was not aware of here, they acknowledged that this happens all the time with no sanctions against the parishioner (except I believe if I sought tuition assistance). My new neighbors tell me the same. As I have yet to formally register with a parish, I look forward to exploring for a parish more in tune with the open-armed practices preached by Pope Francis.

FYI, this is from the bulletin. He also wrote this last year. It would be great if all Catholic families could use the Catholic schools but it's not affordable in this area and also hard if you have many kids (as Catholic families often do!). Nice of him to offer, but $500 or $1000 doesn't do much. It's just not realistic that there aren't to be any Catholics in the public school system. Yes, there are issues and we have to stay on top of them but we opt out and do our best and pray our kids can live their faith in a public school setting. Homeschooling is also not a realistic option for everyone. He might try to say otherwise, but he has to respect for his parishioners that work in the public and school and do good work for many underprivileged and low income kids. Except he has no problem receiving their money as a tithing parishioner. Does he want to turn away that "tainted" money? Anyway, combined with a stricter than most CCD program, it's probably easier to find another parish.




I continue to fear that in spite of the many good
people working in FCPS (especially many good St. Raymond
parishioners), the philosophy and curriculum of our Fairfax
public schools puts our children at risk spiritually, morally,
intellectually and emotionally, and pose grave dangers to their
eternal salvation. Therefore, as your spiritual father, I strongly
urge you to consider either removing your children from these
schools, or proving robust remedial efforts at home to offset the
effects of these risks (CCD and Youth Apostolate activities are a
good start, but not near enough to offset the dangers).
To that end, I strongly urge you to
consider either enrolling your children in Catholic schools or
homeschooling your children in the coming school year. No
school is perfect, even Catholic schools and “home schools,” but
they seem to me the best alternatives for most of our children.
I realize that either of these alternatives may require great
sacrifice on your parts. But isn’t that what fathers and mothers do
for their children? Please remember, the parish offers scholarships
to our parish children to attend local Catholic grade and high
schools. These scholarships are conditioned on the active
involvement of the families in the life of the parish and are usually
$500 for grade school students (or enough to make up the
difference between “in parish” and “out of parish” tuition rates) to
$1000 for high school students. Moreover, where the situation
warrants, we will give additional tuition aid—ask me and I’ll do
what I can! Also, remember that a special Diocesan fund offers
financial aid to many students.
I also want to reiterate and emphasize our long-term
special relationship with Angelus Academy, where I am Chaplain.
It is an excellent school, and I encourage you to consider the
possibility. Also, we also offer financial assistance to families who
choose to homeschool and need help in paying for certain direct
costs related to this. Please contact me if you need such assistance.

ERIE-ONE Wrote:
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> The quote is completely accurate as it is
> contained in this weeks (June 17, 2016) church
> bulletin. Please read it if you have any doubt.


What did you say?

Erie one...like are you from erie Pennsylvania? That would explain your libtard beliefs...and you are right...St Rays is not for you...

Chin up, Erie-One. After months away, looking forward to DeCelles defending our adulterer-in-chief this weekend.

With that attitude, i dont think you should attend Mass...head to the confessional

Only a true Texas bigot would continue to extol the perceived virtues of an adulterer/groper/porn star addicted . . .well you get the picture.

it's his religious right to say so and he may be right

HOWEVER his opponent is Bill Clinton laws that say "schools must all be equally funded" (which ended up being an open bank door to making huge loans and paying only interest by Democrats, and hiring of illegals who spread communism in USA using the funded they got via schools, and etc. all communism.)

ONE law is that "only government can certify". Truland Electric for example can no longer offer electrical certification courses, crank out journeymen, or share their knowlege except with those hired who, mandatorily, must first have paid government school prices and have huge loans. The company: not happy. They sued Clinton govenrment and lost.

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The problem with schools is Clinton gov gave schools reckless power, authority, and reckless funding. The rest is obvious: it attracts the worst people and its' abused, thus it becomes a place where greedy adults prey upon the children from other family.

Morality prevails when good work pays off.

If good work becomes under Judgement of false courts, good work is extra cost, and the good are punished.

Oh ... you're describing Bill Clinton!

Even Post Malone knows this guy is a glum cunt.

Only here can a priest proudly refer in writing to everyone who disagrees with him as radical Marxist leftists with a straight face.

Fucking Catholics. When the altar boy isn't being mounted they attack science compared to their medieval teachings.

Hey Steve Bosco, cant stand the truth, commie libtard...go save an illegal

Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's.

Why the hateful speech? True Christians are open to respectful discourse. Senseless namecalling serves no purpose.