The Fairfax County board of supervisors has given the nod for a 7.5% real estate tax increase.

Oh, it looks like a meal tax is being reviewed too for a potential future implementation.

Enjoy!

Libtardz never saw a tax they didn't like.

Source: http://www.wusa9.com/story/news/local/2014/04/22/tax-hike-fairfax-county-board-va/8006381/

Actually, closer to 7.25%. But the article spells out the details, as well as the meal tax being proposed.

Also consider:

* Rising medical premiums - some are significant due to the ACA.

* Rising food prices - quite large in some cases.

* Future rising utility costs due to the reduction in the use of coal for electricity creation.

* Rising gasoline prices - higher commuting costs.

The Board protected property owners during the Great Recession. The worst of that Bushie mess is now over, but growth in population iand need is not. County programs need theior funding back. The completely idiotic right-wing notion that we can have quality services, low taxes, and no deficits is a total farce revealing only what a bunch of clueless, loopy, know-nothings these people are, the Herrity clown being one prime example. The Board's proposal meanwhile is to increase the property tax rate to $1.09 per hundred from the current $1.085 per hundred. Half a cent. $25 per year for an average homeowner. Whoop-dee-doo. Now complain about how property values went up as well,but you shouldn't be taxed on that. Morons.

The Board is meanwhile discussing whether to study further the idea of a REFERENDUM on a county meals tax, noting that all of the towns and cities in the area have already adopted one, and that this might be a good way to hit up some tourists and more well-to-do locals rather than just leaning on every Harry and Harriet Howeowner out there. As usual, right-wing nimrods simply LIE about what's actually going on.

NOTES TO ABSOLUTE MORONS:
-- PPACA is a huge step forward and is here to stay.
-- Food prices increased by 1.7% over the past year.
-- Energy prices increased by 0.4% over the past year.
-- Gasoline prices DECREASED by 4.7% over the past year.
-- Go fuck your worthless selves.

'cause all Fairfax County Skools are in the top half of the bottom one fiddy or something.

"The Board protected property owners during the Great Recession"

Bullshit. Rates have been raised while values fell. Your assertion = Fucked. Try again, troll.

Someone's gotta pay for the luxury housing for my beloved undocumented immigrants and the other leeches on society. Screw the taxpayers!

Elektions have konsequences.

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twitter @EyeAmU

look at the positive...

IF the RE tax is high enough, then the dirtbag landlords will have to raise their rent to cover, which may send some of the less desirable folks to other areas...

which puts more of them on the road commuting in to their jobs . . .

Henry Block Wrote:
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> The Board protected property owners during the
> Great Recession.

This is a myth that the Board has tried to sell. The facts are significantly different. If you look at real estate tax rates, they tell a different story. Rates dropped from $1.21 in 2003 to .89 in 2007. Of course for most of this time the significant increases in property values each year meant that property owners were still paying significantly more in real estate taxes even with the rate reductions. Once the bubble burst the County began to raise the rates to .92 then $1.04 and then $1.09 before backing down to $1.07. The County did not seek to protect home owners in the real estate recession. The County sought instead to protect its income stream from residential real estate taxes.

The County's fiscal problems are not entirely due to fiscal improvidence. A number of county revenue sources including commercial real estate taxes took a big hit in the real estate downturn. The irony is that County officials used to routinely brag about how these other sources of revenue made lower residential real estate taxes possible. If elected County officials are due any credit, it is for not trying to make up the entire lost revenue stream from these other sources by increasing real estate tax rates.

Republicans destroyed the economy and revenue. Then Bob McDonnell raised taxes. That's the record.

Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
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> Republicans destroyed the economy and revenue.
> Then Bob McDonnell raised taxes. That's the
> record.

That's you're broken record. Kind of like the Little River Band records that you play in your mom's basement.

Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
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> Republicans destroyed the economy and revenue.
> Then Bob McDonnell raised taxes. That's the
> record.


Gerry, spin this debacle how you want. But do let me remind you that during the "gravy train years" when real estate was appreciating at a nice level before the bubble burst - it was Gerry Connolly as the chairman for the BOS. I don't recall him taking any initiative at the time to set as any surpluses for a "rainy day." Instead, he grew the government, and put more services for the county into action.

Was this really feasible? No. It was short-sighted. It looks a lot like his thoughts were that the market would keep going up, up and up. Instead when it got to as high as it could, the housing market crapped on itself and the county was suffering due to the declining house values.

> Bullshit. Rates have been raised while values fell.

And now that values are rising again, it's time to raise the rates!

Now is the time to challenge your appraisal. I know there are nicer houses than mine appraising for less.

Shit - most houses are nicer than mine depending on where I park.

now is the time Wrote:
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> Now is the time to challenge your appraisal. I
> know there are nicer houses than mine appraising
> for less.
>
> Shit - most houses are nicer than mine depending
> on where I park.


Not your house's appraisal, but rather the real estate assessment.

Henry Block Wrote:
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> $25 per year for an average homeowner.
> Whoop-dee-doo. Now complain about how property
> values went up as well,but you shouldn't be taxed
> on that. Morons.
>

As a result of increased assessments and taxe rates, my RE taxes will increase by more than $850.

Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
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> Republicans destroyed the economy and revenue.
> Then Bob McDonnell raised taxes. That's the
> record.

What the hell did McDonnell have to do with Fairfax County RE taxes?

Democrats destroyed the economy and revenue. Then Barack Obama raised taxes. That's the record.

Everyone wants a free lunch. When home costs were sky high we cut taxes, now they are still somewhat in the dumper we have to move taxes slightly higher but still far below historic highs. People lie and complain and have no idea what you are talking about.

Taxes are well below the highs of the 1970's, our enrollment in schools is skyrocketing and yet the ignorant (mostly conservative) barking dogs all howl at the moon. Here is a chart of the historical rates of real estate taxes in ffx. For fuck's sake read the chart and stop your childish crying and blithe ignorance...




http://newcuriousthoughts.wordpress.com/2010/04/26/fairfax-county-property-tax-rates-historical-chart-version-2/

freelunch Wrote:
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> When home costs were sky high we cut taxes

No, "you" cut RATES when home values were "sky high". The net result was that taxes stayed about the same. Big difference. Now that home values are going back up, you're raising rates, THAT's increasing taxes. The only ones getting free lunches are the locusts in section 8s and their offspring in FCPS.

The taxation and elimination of the middle class and ever growing poor is the liberal agenda.
You libs get what you deserve.

Henry Block Wrote:
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> The Board protected property owners during the
> Great Recession. The worst of that Bushie mess is
> now over, but growth in population iand need is
> not. County programs need theior funding back.
> The completely idiotic right-wing notion that we
> can have quality services, low taxes, and no
> deficits is a total farce revealing only what a
> bunch of clueless, loopy, know-nothings these
> people are, the Herrity clown being one prime
> example. The Board's proposal meanwhile is to
> increase the property tax rate to $1.09 per
> hundred from the current $1.085 per hundred. Half
> a cent. $25 per year for an average homeowner.
> Whoop-dee-doo. Now complain about how property
> values went up as well,but you shouldn't be taxed
> on that. Morons.
>
> The Board is meanwhile discussing whether to study
> further the idea of a REFERENDUM on a county meals
> tax, noting that all of the towns and cities in
> the area have already adopted one, and that this
> might be a good way to hit up some tourists and
> more well-to-do locals rather than just leaning on
> every Harry and Harriet Howeowner out there. As
> usual, right-wing nimrods simply LIE about what's
> actually going on.
>
> NOTES TO ABSOLUTE MORONS:
> -- PPACA is a huge step forward and is here to
> stay.
> -- Food prices increased by 1.7% over the past
> year.
> -- Energy prices increased by 0.4% over the past
> year.
> -- Gasoline prices DECREASED by 4.7% over the past
> year.
> -- Go fuck your worthless selves.


The "great recession" did not start until Nancy Pelosi and the Democrats took over the House of Representatives. "Bushie" was responsible for 52 consecutive months of positive economic growth and 20 million new jobs. The Democrats wiped all of that out.

The solution is to push the leeches, freeloaders, and illegals OUT of Fairfax County. The existing tax revenue is more than enough to service the needs of the actual working people of Fairfax.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/23/2014 08:09AM by LetsRock.

peW3h Wrote:
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> Henry Block Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > $25 per year for an average homeowner.
> > Whoop-dee-doo. Now complain about how property
> > values went up as well,but you shouldn't be
> taxed
> > on that. Morons.
> >
>
> As a result of increased assessments and taxe
> rates, my RE taxes will increase by more than
> $850.


.. and YOU will not see one dime of that in services for the things that YOU want from government. Instead, it will be spent on some social program for people that don't pay anything and don't even belong in Fairfax County.

freelunch Wrote:
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> Everyone wants a free lunch. When home costs were
> sky high we cut taxes, now they are still somewhat
> in the dumper we have to move taxes slightly
> higher but still far below historic highs. People
> lie and complain and have no idea what you are
> talking about.
>
> Taxes are well below the highs of the 1970's, our
> enrollment in schools is skyrocketing and yet the
> ignorant (mostly conservative) barking dogs all
> howl at the moon. Here is a chart of the
> historical rates of real estate taxes in ffx. For
> fuck's sake read the chart and stop your childish
> crying and blithe ignorance...
>
>
>
>
> http://newcuriousthoughts.wordpress.com/2010/04/26
> /fairfax-county-property-tax-rates-historical-char
> t-version-2/


You mean back in the 1970's when most houses were worth less than $100K?

LetsRock Wrote:
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> peW3h Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Henry Block Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > $25 per year for an average homeowner.
> > > Whoop-dee-doo. Now complain about how
> property
> > > values went up as well,but you shouldn't be
> > taxed
> > > on that. Morons.
> > >
> >
> > As a result of increased assessments and taxe
> > rates, my RE taxes will increase by more than
> > $850.
>
>
> .. and YOU will not see one dime of that in
> services for the things that YOU want from
> government. Instead, it will be spent on some
> social program for people that don't pay anything
> and don't even belong in Fairfax County.

Amen.

LetsRock Wrote:
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> Henry Block Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The Board protected property owners during the
> > Great Recession. The worst of that Bushie mess
> is
> > now over, but growth in population iand need is
> > not. County programs need theior funding back.
>
> > The completely idiotic right-wing notion that
> we
> > can have quality services, low taxes, and no
> > deficits is a total farce revealing only what a
> > bunch of clueless, loopy, know-nothings these
> > people are, the Herrity clown being one prime
> > example. The Board's proposal meanwhile is to
> > increase the property tax rate to $1.09 per
> > hundred from the current $1.085 per hundred.
> Half
> > a cent. $25 per year for an average homeowner.
>
> > Whoop-dee-doo. Now complain about how property
> > values went up as well,but you shouldn't be
> taxed
> > on that. Morons.
> >
> > The Board is meanwhile discussing whether to
> study
> > further the idea of a REFERENDUM on a county
> meals
> > tax, noting that all of the towns and cities in
> > the area have already adopted one, and that
> this
> > might be a good way to hit up some tourists and
> > more well-to-do locals rather than just leaning
> on
> > every Harry and Harriet Howeowner out there.
> As
> > usual, right-wing nimrods simply LIE about
> what's
> > actually going on.
> >
> > NOTES TO ABSOLUTE MORONS:
> > -- PPACA is a huge step forward and is here to
> > stay.
> > -- Food prices increased by 1.7% over the past
> > year.
> > -- Energy prices increased by 0.4% over the
> past
> > year.
> > -- Gasoline prices DECREASED by 4.7% over the
> past
> > year.
> > -- Go fuck your worthless selves.
>
>
> The "great recession" did not start until Nancy
> Pelosi and the Democrats took over the House of
> Representatives. "Bushie" was responsible for 52
> consecutive months of positive economic growth and
> 20 million new jobs. The Democrats wiped all of
> that out.
>
> The solution is to push the leeches, freeloaders,
> and illegals OUT of Fairfax County. The existing
> tax revenue is more than enough to service the
> needs of the actual working people of Fairfax.

You sir are a fuckin internetz genius

LetsRock Wrote:
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> The solution is to push the leeches, freeloaders,
> and illegals OUT of Fairfax County. The existing
> tax revenue is more than enough to service the
> needs of the actual working people of Fairfax.

But then the politicians would actually have to work to campaign, get legitimate votes and deal with issues and their constituencies. Now they just tax you more and use that money to buy votes, real and fraudulent, from the leeches. The more leeches they bring in and give money to, the easier it is to get elected and re-elected.

I live in an older community. One that was prime for investors to "flip" homes in. There has not been a true foreclosure in my neighborhood in the last 2 years. However several short sales were purchased, renovated and sold for a huge profit. This accounted for much of the sales in my community. Well using their computer generated model the county THINKS my 60 year old home with a few updates is worth what the renovated homes are. I am appealing my assessment which is about $75,000 more than I could get for my home. I know this as I am in the real estate industry. Historically tax assessments were about 80% of your homes true value. This has not been the case in Fairfax County in recent years. Regardless of what they were charging be it $1.21 or $1.09 the value is a very important part of the equation. I encourage everyone to do their research and make sure your assessment is accurate. If you are unsure ask whatever Realtor currently farms your neighborhood to do a CMA for you. They will jump at the chance to help out since it could lead to future business for them.

freelunch Wrote:
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> Everyone wants a free lunch. When home costs were
> sky high we cut taxes, now they are still somewhat
> in the dumper we have to move taxes slightly
> higher but still far below historic highs. People
> lie and complain and have no idea what you are
> talking about.
>
> Taxes are well below the highs of the 1970's, our
> enrollment in schools is skyrocketing and yet the
> ignorant (mostly conservative) barking dogs all
> howl at the moon. Here is a chart of the
> historical rates of real estate taxes in ffx. For
> fuck's sake read the chart and stop your childish
> crying and blithe ignorance...
>
>
>
>
> http://newcuriousthoughts.wordpress.com/2010/04/26
> /fairfax-county-property-tax-rates-historical-char
> t-version-2/

Stupid fucktard. Just because the rates were insanely high back then doesn't mean they need to be high now. But then again all libtardz can really think about is relativism.

If you want your taxes to be high I suggest you pack up and move to New Jersey. They'll love you there. Leave the rest of us out of it.

_LIB-TARDZ_LOLZ Wrote:
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> freelunch Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Everyone wants a free lunch. When home costs
> were
> > sky high we cut taxes, now they are still
> somewhat
> > in the dumper we have to move taxes slightly
> > higher but still far below historic highs.
> People
> > lie and complain and have no idea what you are
> > talking about.
> >
> > Taxes are well below the highs of the 1970's,
> our
> > enrollment in schools is skyrocketing and yet
> the
> > ignorant (mostly conservative) barking dogs all
> > howl at the moon. Here is a chart of the
> > historical rates of real estate taxes in ffx.
> For
> > fuck's sake read the chart and stop your
> childish
> > crying and blithe ignorance...
> >
> >
> >
>
> >
> >
> http://newcuriousthoughts.wordpress.com/2010/04/26
>
> >
> /fairfax-county-property-tax-rates-historical-char
>
> > t-version-2/
>
> Stupid fucktard. Just because the rates were
> insanely high back then doesn't mean they need to
> be high now. But then again all libtardz can
> really think about is relativism.
>
> If you want your taxes to be high I suggest you
> pack up and move to New Jersey. They'll love you
> there. Leave the rest of us out of it.


Says the idiot complaining about the political reality of the area he lives in which is majority progressive. How about you move to glorious Mississippi where I promise you none of the slackjawwed uneducated, last in every category morons, will take your precious money. You get what you pay for moron, I'd rather live here than teaparty fat ass, piece of shit murka

MOAR MONEY Wrote:
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> Bullshit. Rates have been raised while values
> fell. Your assertion = Fucked. Try again, troll.

I see that someone has already posted a chart of the actual data. You know, that stuff that makes you look like a useless drooling goober?

Bill.N. Wrote:
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> This is a myth that the Board has tried to sell.

No, it's a simple fact. Only pinheads missed it. As assessments rose in the early 2000's, rates were reduced. This protected homeowners whose incomes were not rising either at all or as fast as real estate values. When assessments began to collapse as the result of the calamitous Great Bush Recession, rates should have risen to protect county revenues. But that didn;t happen. Instead the county bit the bullet and cut to the bone, again protecting stressed county homeowners from facing the fiscal burdens that they should have. Teachers and other county employees could of course complain -- and quite rightly so -- that they were NOT being protected in any of this, but others were. One day you should seek out a professional service that can explain to you how all this actually works. I recommend the experts at H&R Block.

Debbie Downer Democrat XDD Wrote:
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> Was this really feasible? No. It was
> short-sighted. It looks a lot like his thoughts
> were that the market would keep going up, up and
> up. Instead when it got to as high as it could,
> the housing market crapped on itself and the
> county was suffering due to the declining house
> values.

Debbie, you ignorant slut. The housing market was a victim of the Great BUsh Recession, not a cause of it. Recall that home mortgage rates had delined by 335 basis points between 2000 and 2003. Markets responded to that exactly as they should have. Only people who fail to understand that interest rates and long-term asset prices are inversely related can fail to grasp that point.

YK6D4 Wrote:
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> And now that values are rising again, it's time to
> raise the rates!

Yes, but not by as much as if assessments had not also been rising. The county put itself in a hole to protect both intelligent and grateful citizens and ignorant and ungrateful ones from some of the worst ravages of the Great Bush Recession. With the storm having now mostly abated, it is time to pick up the pieces and do some repairs. That costs money. That we can now afford.

If you believe meanwhle that taxes should only go down and never go up, you are nothing more than a fiscal moron.

LetsRock Wrote:
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> The "great recession" did not start until Nancy
> Pelosi and the Democrats took over the House of
> Representatives.

God, that's not only worthless schlock right-wing propaganda, it's really OLD worthless schlock right-wing propaganda. The Great Bush Recession was born and raised between 2002 and 2006. By the time interest rates reached their peak in mid-2006, the horses were already out of the barn. The resulting credit crisis came into full flower in the summer of 2007 and with nothing really being done about that, it bled out of the financial economy and into the real economy, leading to asset market collapses and the subsequent economic devastation of 2008-09. Make no mistake -- in partisan terms, this was ALL Republicans ALL the time.

> "Bushie" was responsible for 52 consecutive months of
> positive economic growth and 20 million new jobs. The
> Democrats wiped all of that out.

No, pinhead. "Bushie" was President during what at the time were 52 consecutive months of positive seasonally adjsuted job growth. Later revisions to seasonal adjustment factors have rendered the claim untrue however. Bush's overall jobs performance was meanwhile the worst of any post-WWII President.

> The solution is to push the leeches, freeloaders,
> and illegals OUT of Fairfax County. The existing
> tax revenue is more than enough to service the
> needs of the actual working people of Fairfax.

How about we just get rid of the morons. Have a nice trip.

appeal Wrote:
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> I live in an older community. One that was prime
> for investors to "flip" homes in. There has not
> been a true foreclosure in my neighborhood in the
> last 2 years. However several short sales were
> purchased, renovated and sold for a huge profit.
> This accounted for much of the sales in my
> community. Well using their computer generated
> model the county THINKS my 60 year old home with a
> few updates is worth what the renovated homes are.
> I am appealing my assessment which is about
> $75,000 more than I could get for my home. I know
> this as I am in the real estate industry.
> Historically tax assessments were about 80% of
> your homes true value. This has not been the case
> in Fairfax County in recent years. Regardless of
> what they were charging be it $1.21 or $1.09 the
> value is a very important part of the equation. I
> encourage everyone to do their research and make
> sure your assessment is accurate. If you are
> unsure ask whatever Realtor currently farms your
> neighborhood to do a CMA for you. They will jump
> at the chance to help out since it could lead to
> future business for them.

By all means, file an appeal if your legitimate homework suggests that the county has made some sort of error with respect to your property or your neighborhood. No one is pretending that every home and area in the county can be precisely and acurately graded on an annual basis. Mistakes are bound to happen and will be fairly corrected when reported. THis happens many times every year. Most of the crap being spewed around here however is just flatulence and grousing by hapless self-serving morons.

Somebody needs to pay for full retirement pay for all of the county workers.

It must be nice to retire at 50 with full salary for the rest of your life.

Talk about the biggest ripoff of taxpayer dollars. Tell me any private job that gives full retirement salaries at 50, or for that matter, full retirement at any age.

_LIB-TARDZ_LOLZ Wrote:
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> Stupid fucktard. Just because the rates were
> insanely high back then doesn't mean they need to
> be high now. But then again all libtardz can
> really think about is relativism.

Do you think your calling them that makes historical rates "insanely high"? What a blithering idiot.

> If you want your taxes to be high I suggest you
> pack up and move to New Jersey. They'll love you
> there. Leave the rest of us out of it.

Son, you live in a low-tax area and are whining about taxes anyway. Go live at the intersection of two dirt roads in some rural backwater in the middle of Kansas if you can't stand taxes. Oh wait...they have higher tax burdens than we do.

Henry Block Wrote:
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>
> NOTES TO ABSOLUTE MORONS:
> -- PPACA is a huge step forward and is here to
> stay.
> -- Food prices increased by 1.7% over the past
> year.
> -- Energy prices increased by 0.4% over the past
> year.
> -- Gasoline prices DECREASED by 4.7% over the past
> year.
> -- Go fuck your worthless selves.


Your numbers reflect averages for the *past* year. However, food costs over just the past two months have been very volatile with meats, poultry, fruits, etc.

As follows:

The index for meats, poultry, fish, and eggs posted the largest
increase, rising 1.2 percent, the same increase as in February. The index for
dairy and related products rose 1.0 percent in March, its fifth consecutive
increase. The index for fruits and vegetables, which rose 1.1 percent in
February, rose 0.9 percent in March. The index for fresh fruits rose 3.1
percent, while the index for fresh vegetables declined 1.6 percent.

Source: http://www.bls.gov/news.release/cpi.nr0.htm

It's the averages that we'll see next March based on this current year is where the real potential for wallet gouging will occur. Not all food price spikes go back down either.

Full Retirement Salaries Wrote:
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> Somebody needs to pay for full retirement pay for
> all of the county workers.

I've seen a lot of this sort of talk before. It typically comes from those who have a shit job with low pay and no benefits who don't think anyone else deserves to have a good job with good pay and good benefits. I suppose there are a lot of terms for such people, but one of them certainly must be "asshole".

Henry Block Wrote:
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> Full Retirement Salaries Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Somebody needs to pay for full retirement pay
> for
> > all of the county workers.
>
> I've seen a lot of this sort of talk before. It
> typically comes from those who have a shit job
> with low pay and no benefits who don't think
> anyone else deserves to have a good job with good
> pay and good benefits. I suppose there are a lot
> of terms for such people, but one of them
> certainly must be "asshole".

This retirement issue is completely valid. The original poster is correct - where else but local, state or federal government does someone retire in their 50's and get almost full pay (with COLA increases) until they die at 70, 80, 90? How is that sustainable? Is it morally acceptable to ask average current workers and taxpayers making $50-$80K to pay for these retirement benefits? And why do supporters of this system always assume that the person calling this practice into question is in a "shit job"? I'm a professional with my own business in Fairfax County. I know it's not right or sustainable. That's why the private sector phased out defined benefit plans starting in the 1980's. There are many professionals who make good livings around here who are in their late 50's and after paying a mortgage and college bills for their families, don't have huge investments. How much do you think you need in the bank today to fund a $60K withdrawal for the next 30-40 years? They aren't retiring on the balance in a 401K plan.

Henry Block Wrote:
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> No, it's a simple fact. Only pinheads missed it.
> As assessments rose in the early 2000's, rates
> were reduced. This protected homeowners whose
> incomes were not rising either at all or as fast
> as real estate values. When assessments began to
> collapse as the result of the calamitous Great
> Bush Recession, rates should have risen to protect
> county revenues. But that didn;t happen. Instead
> the county bit the bullet and cut to the bone,
> again protecting stressed county homeowners from
> facing the fiscal burdens that they should have.

It is amazing Henry at how you conflate "argument" and "fact".

I don't disagree that rate reductions in the early 200s protected homeowners from the full impact of rising assessments. Whether this was done out of any concern for taxpayers whose incomes were not rising is a debatable point, but it is a debate we do not need to have.

Your next assertion, that "rates should have risen to protect county revenues" is highly dubious. Governments are not entitled to a particular amount of revenue. Further when governments choose to use asset value as the basis for determining taxes, they are not automatically entitled to adjust rates when the asset value does not provide the desired revenue stream. Sure this can happen. However it is a policy choice, not a legitimate expectation.

Your follow on alleged fact that "But that didn;t happen" is flat out wrong, as demonstrated by the tax rates I quoted. It would be correct to say county officials didn't raise rates enough to fully offset declining assessments and other lost revenue streams. However they did raise rates.

Now let's stop talking theory and switch to hard numbers. I pulled up my returns for the past decade. From calendar years 2004 through 2007 my real estate taxes paid went up by double digit percentages each year. In 2008 they pulled back to 2006 levels. In 2009 they dropped slightly further before making up the loss the following year. They have gone up each year since. While the taxes have been rising the past few years in real dollars, for me at least, they have not risen by those double digit rates that we saw last decade. That is the key factor here.

Then there is the unspoken part of the debate, the difference between actual value and assessed value. When I bought here in the 1980s assessed value in my neighborhood was around 90% of what houses were selling for. That held true until shortly before the market peaked when it dropped into the 80s range. Since 2010 our neighborhood has been running close to the 100% figure it is supposed to be. I've heard of similar conditions in other neighborhoods. In others I understand a substantial gap does still exist. Still the closing up of the difference between the theoretical assessment basis and the actual assessment basis has for some resulted in a phantom rate increase.

> One day you should seek out a
> professional service that can explain to you how
> all this actually works. I recommend the experts
> at H&R Block.

I'm sorry that I have been unable to fit your two week program teaching people how to compute the earned income tax credit and sign them up for refund anticipation loans into my schedule. Maybe next year.

As certain right wingers here will attest, I am normally on your side of the debate. When your usual allies tell you that you are mistaken, that should cause you to pull back and re-examine your position.

_LIB-TARDZ_LOLZ Wrote:
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> freelunch Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Everyone wants a free lunch. When home costs
> were
> > sky high we cut taxes, now they are still
> somewhat
> > in the dumper we have to move taxes slightly
> > higher but still far below historic highs.
> People
> > lie and complain and have no idea what you are
> > talking about.
> >
> > Taxes are well below the highs of the 1970's,
> our
> > enrollment in schools is skyrocketing and yet
> the
> > ignorant (mostly conservative) barking dogs all
> > howl at the moon. Here is a chart of the
> > historical rates of real estate taxes in ffx.
> For
> > fuck's sake read the chart and stop your
> childish
> > crying and blithe ignorance...
> >
> >
> >
>
> >
> >
> http://newcuriousthoughts.wordpress.com/2010/04/26
>
> >
> /fairfax-county-property-tax-rates-historical-char
>
> > t-version-2/
>
> Stupid fucktard. Just because the rates were
> insanely high back then doesn't mean they need to
> be high now. But then again all libtardz can
> really think about is relativism.
>
> If you want your taxes to be high I suggest you
> pack up and move to New Jersey. They'll love you
> there. Leave the rest of us out of it.

They are not even close to the heights of the 70's - thats the point they are not high they are low. We need more money for the schools. If you look at the chart




http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/virginia-schools-insider/post/how-much-does-fairfax-county-schools-central-office-spend/2011/10/25/gIQAvEYFKM_blog.html

One of the big problems Fairfax faces is it receives half the state aid when compared to other Virginia school systems


• School divisions receive the
majority of state aid based on their
Local Composite Index (LCI). The
LCI equalizes payments so that
counties and cities with a lower
composite index receive more
state funding and those with a
higher index receive less. As a
result of the LCI, FCPS received
$1,855 per pupil in state aid, while
the state average allocation per
pupil was $3,420.



For more detailed budget info go here http://www.fcps.edu/fs/budget/documents/CitizensGuidetoBudget.pdf

If you are just a conservaTURD troll offering no facts and lots of barking - get bent...

Reality Wrote:
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> This retirement issue is completely valid.

It's horseshit, pure and simple. The Reagans, the Bushs, the Romneys, the Kochs, and all their greedy little pals wanted all your benefits back. So you rolled over and let them be taken. That's your fault. Maybe if you'd had a union or something, but no, you let them take those away as well. Now you want people who played the game better than you did to have to suffer the same unfortunate fate as you. That's pretty crass and deplorable, if you ask me. You let your bed be made for you. Now lie in it and leave the others alone. The funny thing of course is that barely a decade ago, you all were touting how much better the bennies were in the private sector. Stock options, profit-sharing, expense accounts. What ever happened to all that anyway? (Guffaw!)

As for the financials of it, they haven't changed. Your corporate masters simply took a bunch of consolidated risk that they used to run through large scale managed health and pension plans and turned that into little slices of individual risk and dumped them all onto you, whether you know how to manage or fund them or not. You were played for the fool, bozo, and never raised a peep over it.

> How much do you think you need in the bank today to fund
> a $60K withdrawal for the next 30-40 years?

Son, at H&R Block, we know all about these things. Come in and ask to speak with an expert.

Bill.N. Wrote:
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> I don't disagree that rate reductions in the early
> 200s protected homeowners from the full impact of
> rising assessments. Whether this was done out of
> any concern for taxpayers whose incomes were not
> rising is a debatable point, but it is a debate we
> do not need to have.

Not needed because you would take a lopsided loss. Go back and read the minutes and commentary of the times. The Board was quite conscious of the disparity between trends in incomes and real estate assessments and deliberately cut rates to keep rising assessments from creating tax bills that would damage household incomes.

> Your next assertion, that "rates should have risen
> to protect county revenues" is highly dubious.

Don't be THAT stupid. THe function of X-times-Y is to produce a dependable year-to-year revenue stream capable of funding on-going county priorities. After a period in which the county takes a hit, there will come one in which the county begins to recoup its losses. Is that really too complicated a notion for you?

> Governments are not entitled to a particular
> amount of revenue.

They are entitled to whatever the law permits. The law permits the board to set the rate. That's how it works. What the hell are you thinking here?

> Further when governments choose to use asset value as
> the basis for determining taxes, they are not automatically
> entitled to adjust rates when the asset value does not
> provide the desired revenue stream.

What? Of course thay are. That's exactly what the law intends and allows.

> Now let's stop talking theory and switch to hard
> numbers.

Personal anecdotes are not hard numbers, Bill. The Board does not make any decisions with your personal situation in mind. Instead, they set up a process for those who feel they have been personally aggrieved to file for review and where warranted, relief. That's all you are ever going to have, so you might want to just get used to it.

> I'm sorry that I have been unable to fit your two
> week program teaching people how to compute the
> earned income tax credit and sign them up for
> refund anticipation loans into my schedule. Maybe
> next year.

We'd be happy to have you anytime.

> As certain right wingers here will attest, I am
> normally on your side of the debate. When your
> usual allies tell you that you are mistaken, that
> should cause you to pull back and re-examine your
> position.

N.B. This is not a team sport. When you are wrong (which is frequently) you are wrong. Wrong is a bitch. Dating her is pretty much a poor choice for anyone.

Thank you for clearly demonstrating far better than I could that the only thing that matters to you is the government revenue stream. While this may be the policy YOU favor, it is not the only reasonable conclusion that one could reach.

Fairfax County was EXTEMELY LUCKY during the first two thirds of last decade to experience DOUBLE DIGIT percentage growth in real estate values. This allowed them to expand expenditures while simultaneously lowering tax rates. THOSE DAYS ARE PAST, and we need to adopt a new approach that is more consistent with our current situation. If we do not have real estate with a total assessed value of $230 billion as we did ca. 2008, we cannot have spending programs based on that level. The new approach may include raising tax rates, but it also requires a re-evaluation of our spending. Part of that discussion needs to reflect the level of services that taxpayers are getting from the county in return for the taxes paid. We also need to look at tax burdens as a whole, and not just individual tax components.

You have continuously ignored all FACTS which don't fit neatly with your arguments. Don't like using my personal real estate taxes as an example. Provide a better alternative example showing how the combined changes in tax assessments and tax rates actually affected typical homeowners. Don't believe the tax rates I posted. Do your own research and post the results here. Saying I am wrong does not make it so. Put up or STFU.

I cannot tell whether you and freelunch are one and the same. While the chart showing real estate tax rates is interesting, it does not tell the entire story. In the early years there was one real estate tax rate. Now you have your basic real estate rate, plus an infestation control rate and a stormwater rate (started ca. 2010). If you own commercial property there is an add on rate for that (started ca. 2008). Then you may have additional assessments depending on where the real estate is located (the first big one was the Route 28 project in 1988). I suspect there are properties today that are actually paying rates of over $1.40. To provide an analogy you are familiar with Henry, it is like looking solely at the marginal Federal income tax rate for a particular taxpayer, ignoring self employment taxes, Obamacare add-ons, early withdrawal penalties on retirement plans, state and local income taxes, etc.

It is pointless to argue with an ideologue on the left as it is to argue with an ideologue on the right. An ideologue isn't interested in an informed debate. He is only interested in telling the other side how stupid they are.

Bill.N. Wrote:
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> Thank you for clearly demonstrating far better
> than I could that the only thing that matters to
> you is the government revenue stream. While this
> may be the policy YOU favor, it is not the only
> reasonable conclusion that one could reach.
>
> Fairfax County was EXTEMELY LUCKY during the first
> two thirds of last decade to experience DOUBLE
> DIGIT percentage growth in real estate values.
> This allowed them to expand expenditures while
> simultaneously lowering tax rates. THOSE DAYS ARE
> PAST, and we need to adopt a new approach that is
> more consistent with our current situation. If we
> do not have real estate with a total assessed
> value of $230 billion as we did ca. 2008, we
> cannot have spending programs based on that level.
> The new approach may include raising tax rates,
> but it also requires a re-evaluation of our
> spending. Part of that discussion needs to
> reflect the level of services that taxpayers are
> getting from the county in return for the taxes
> paid. We also need to look at tax burdens as a
> whole, and not just individual tax components.
>
> You have continuously ignored all FACTS which
> don't fit neatly with your arguments. Don't like
> using my personal real estate taxes as an example.
> Provide a better alternative example showing how
> the combined changes in tax assessments and tax
> rates actually affected typical homeowners. Don't
> believe the tax rates I posted. Do your own
> research and post the results here. Saying I am
> wrong does not make it so. Put up or STFU.
>
> I cannot tell whether you and freelunch are one
> and the same. While the chart showing real estate
> tax rates is interesting, it does not tell the
> entire story. In the early years there was one
> real estate tax rate. Now you have your basic
> real estate rate, plus an infestation control rate
> and a stormwater rate (started ca. 2010). If you
> own commercial property there is an add on rate
> for that (started ca. 2008). Then you may have
> additional assessments depending on where the real
> estate is located (the first big one was the Route
> 28 project in 1988). I suspect there are
> properties today that are actually paying rates of
> over $1.40. To provide an analogy you are
> familiar with Henry, it is like looking solely at
> the marginal Federal income tax rate for a
> particular taxpayer, ignoring self employment
> taxes, Obamacare add-ons, early withdrawal
> penalties on retirement plans, state and local
> income taxes, etc.
>
> It is pointless to argue with an ideologue on the
> left as it is to argue with an ideologue on the
> right. An ideologue isn't interested in an
> informed debate. He is only interested in telling
> the other side how stupid they are.

Obamacare addons? What an a-hole, nowhere do you mention the cost of two unfunded wars, that's a federal tax issue but, Bobby McBribe beating the shit out of the state's education budget so that he and the Mrs. could live the high life, I suppose you're fine with the taxpayer being on the hook for his legal fees too, Wtf??? Please, if you're going to call people stupid, make sure you mention ALL of the pertinent facts that effect the equation. I'm all for controlling spending, you seem to think all of the stupid comes from the left and that there is no cause and effect to past repbulican spending malfeasance...SMH, get a fucking clue.

Bobby "Big Money" Micky D raised dem taxes.

> If you believe meanwhle that taxes should only go down and never go up, you are nothing more than a fiscal moron.

Tax rates don't need to change. If the values of the homes are going up, the same tax rate will yield increased revenue. If the values go up, increasing the rates doesn't make sense. This is "doubling up" on the increased value.

appeal Wrote:
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> I live in an older community. One that was prime
> for investors to "flip" homes in. There has not
> been a true foreclosure in my neighborhood in the
> last 2 years. However several short sales were
> purchased, renovated and sold for a huge profit.
> This accounted for much of the sales in my
> community. Well using their computer generated
> model the county THINKS my 60 year old home with a
> few updates is worth what the renovated homes are.
> I am appealing my assessment which is about
> $75,000 more than I could get for my home. I know
> this as I am in the real estate industry.
> Historically tax assessments were about 80% of
> your homes true value. This has not been the case
> in Fairfax County in recent years. Regardless of
> what they were charging be it $1.21 or $1.09 the
> value is a very important part of the equation. I
> encourage everyone to do their research and make
> sure your assessment is accurate. If you are
> unsure ask whatever Realtor currently farms your
> neighborhood to do a CMA for you. They will jump
> at the chance to help out since it could lead to
> future business for them.


One of the problems is that the house is supposed to be worth 2.5 times the value of the land it sits on. Land in Fairfax County is now worth more than the the pre-1960's shacks that sit on it. Your house may not be worth any more, but the land can increase alot based on the land+new house of your neighbor.

Welcome to Montgomery Maryland Fairfax lol

Its not going to stop either

The ESL population is increasing much faster than inflation

I also agree on the pensions the Fire and Police stuff is insane paying people six figures for life after 50 with inflation colas built in

Just keep voting for us SUCKERS!

As opposed to voting for the people whose solution to all problems is to cut taxes and spending by 25% and outsource all government jobs.

There has to be another alternative.

All Bobby "Big Money" Micky D and his baby mommas fault.

He was all about them benjamins baby. Whether it be taxes or bribes.

Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
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> All Bobby "Big Money" Micky D and his baby mommas
> fault.
>
> He was all about them benjamins baby. Whether it
> be taxes or bribes.


STFU up Gerry.

The adults are trying to have a conversation here.

Go back to the kid's table.

Bill.N. Wrote:
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> Thank you for clearly demonstrating far better
> than I could that the only thing that matters to
> you is the government revenue stream. While this
> may be the policy YOU favor, it is not the only
> reasonable conclusion that one could reach.
>
> Fairfax County was EXTEMELY LUCKY during the first
> two thirds of last decade to experience DOUBLE
> DIGIT percentage growth in real estate values.
> This allowed them to expand expenditures while
> simultaneously lowering tax rates. THOSE DAYS ARE
> PAST, and we need to adopt a new approach that is
> more consistent with our current situation. If we
> do not have real estate with a total assessed
> value of $230 billion as we did ca. 2008, we
> cannot have spending programs based on that level.
> The new approach may include raising tax rates,
> but it also requires a re-evaluation of our
> spending. Part of that discussion needs to
> reflect the level of services that taxpayers are
> getting from the county in return for the taxes
> paid. We also need to look at tax burdens as a
> whole, and not just individual tax components.
>
> You have continuously ignored all FACTS which
> don't fit neatly with your arguments. Don't like
> using my personal real estate taxes as an example.
> Provide a better alternative example showing how
> the combined changes in tax assessments and tax
> rates actually affected typical homeowners. Don't
> believe the tax rates I posted. Do your own
> research and post the results here. Saying I am
> wrong does not make it so. Put up or STFU.
>
> I cannot tell whether you and freelunch are one
> and the same. While the chart showing real estate
> tax rates is interesting, it does not tell the
> entire story. In the early years there was one
> real estate tax rate. Now you have your basic
> real estate rate, plus an infestation control rate
> and a stormwater rate (started ca. 2010). If you
> own commercial property there is an add on rate
> for that (started ca. 2008). Then you may have
> additional assessments depending on where the real
> estate is located (the first big one was the Route
> 28 project in 1988). I suspect there are
> properties today that are actually paying rates of
> over $1.40. To provide an analogy you are
> familiar with Henry, it is like looking solely at
> the marginal Federal income tax rate for a
> particular taxpayer, ignoring self employment
> taxes, Obamacare add-ons, early withdrawal
> penalties on retirement plans, state and local
> income taxes, etc.
>
> It is pointless to argue with an ideologue on the
> left as it is to argue with an ideologue on the
> right. An ideologue isn't interested in an
> informed debate. He is only interested in telling
> the other side how stupid they are.


Nailed it.

Bill.N. Wrote:
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> Thank you for clearly demonstrating far better
> than I could that the only thing that matters to
> you is the government revenue stream. While this
> may be the policy YOU favor, it is not the only
> reasonable conclusion that one could reach.

No, my misguided child, there are no other reasonable conclusions to arive at. The purpose of taxation is to provide revenue -- stable, dependable, reliable revenue to serve as the basis for the sort of long-term planning and development decisions that good governance requires.

> Fairfax County was EXTEMELY LUCKY during the first
> two thirds of last decade to experience DOUBLE
> DIGIT percentage growth in real estate values.

Plainly, econ is not your strong suit. Where was this effect you find such an extraordinary windfall NOT seen during the years in question?

> This allowed them to expand expenditures while
> simultaneously lowering tax rates.

They lowered tax rates to spare taxpayers hits to income that was not increasing at nearly the pace of market values. The board manipulates the Y in X-times-Y to produce total revenue. They cut corners on total revenue in order to avoid kicking taxpayers in the teeth. This trend accelerated once job losses started to spread.

> THOSE DAYS ARE PAST,

Wow, what a revelation! Thanks for minding the store for us like that! What's on the table today is a modest recovery. Things are not yet robust, but they are strong enough to begin patching the budgetary holes created as above.

> If we do not have real estate with a total assessed
> value of $230 billion as we did ca. 2008, we cannot
> have spending programs based on that level.

That's not at all how it works anywhere. Spending levels are and ought to be based on the identified needs of the county and its people. The second and residual step is to find the sources of revenue needed to fund the meeting of those needs. I might suggest here that your public administration teeth have apparently not been cut yet.

> The new approach may include raising tax rates,
> but it also requires a re-evaluation of our
> spending.

The Board is CONTINUOUSLY engaged in that process. You act like they've yet to take it up.

> You have continuously ignored all FACTS which
> don't fit neatly with your arguments.

I have ignored things that were without relevance. There have been unfortunate volumes of that.

> Don't like using my personal real estate taxes
> as an example. Provide a better alternative example
> showing how the combined changes in tax assessments
> and tax rates actually affected typical homeowners.

You seek that which you have. These data are widely available. How can you have missed them? Meanwhile, there are no anecdotal data that can be taken as being representative, hence none of them will be worth one damned thing. Failing to understand that is a kind of a really huge shortcoming.

> Don't believe the tax rates I posted. Do your own
> research and post the results here. Saying I am
> wrong does not make it so. Put up or STFU.

A chart of the rates was posted above, though not by me. Did you want to quibble with that? It of course illustrates exactly and precisely the points about rates that I have been raising.

> I cannot tell whether you and freelunch are one
> and the same.

We are not, but what difference would it make either way? Answer: None.

> While the chart showing real estate tax rates is
> interesting, it does not tell the entire story.

The general pattern of real estate values since 2000 has been pretty much a given here. There isn't much mystery as to how the market went up and then down and then headed back up again. What points did you think failed to receive deserved attantion?

> In the early years there was one real estate tax rate.
> Now you have your basic real estate rate, plus an
> infestation control rate and a stormwater rate...

Seriously? These are user-fees. You live in a leaf collection district, you get your leaves collected and you pay a special tax for it. You need gypsy moth remediation or stormwater runoff protection? Fine, the taxpayers in general will pick up the tab for that, but how be you be prepared to kick in an extra little bit seeing as how you are the ones directly benefitting from the work. Too complicated for you?

> To provide an analogy you are familiar with Henry,
> it is like looking solely at the marginal Federal
> income tax rate for a particular taxpayer, ignoring
> self employment taxes, Obamacare add-ons, early
> withdrawal penalties on retirement plans, state and
> local income taxes, etc.

No, it isn't like that at all. You are even more confused than I thought.

> It is pointless to argue with an ideologue on the
> left as it is to argue with an ideologue on the
> right.

It's pointless to argue with empty homilies as well.

> An ideologue isn't interested in an informed debate.
> He is only interested in telling the other side how
> stupid they are.

Sometimes the other side really is stupid. The non-stupid do them a favor by pointing it out. No real cost to being humiliated here, after all.

TvFpK Wrote:
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> Tax rates don't need to change. If the values of
> the homes are going up, the same tax rate will
> yield increased revenue. If the values go up,
> increasing the rates doesn't make sense. This is
> "doubling up" on the increased value.

See, that's stupid right there. The assessors do their bit. The Board looks at their results and says, what rate will let us best serve the county's needs as against that sort of result? The answer might mean that the rate goes either up or down. Exactly nothing anywhere says that X and Y cannot both go down or both go up in a given year. Now back to the drawing board with you and your harebrained ideas.

Once again Henry you have brought no facts to the debate, and have simply asserted that your opinions are the only legitimate ones. Every thread you've posted here could be boiled down to "Our schools and other government services need more money and we have to give it to them" and you would have saved yourself and others the effort.

One major problem is that the county assesses the property AND assigns the tax rate. It's in the county's interest to overvalue properties isn't it? Can you see why this is a problem?

Why does Comrade "Lots of Barking" complain about the following?: "One of the big problems Fairfax faces is it receives half the state aid when compared to other Virginia school systems."

I would think a good progressive would support wealth transfers from the Haves of NOVA--FFX being among the wealthiest-- to the Have Nots that constitute the rest of the state?

Henry Wallace Wrote:
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> Why does Comrade "Lots of Barking" complain about
> the following?: "One of the big problems Fairfax
> faces is it receives half the state aid when
> compared to other Virginia school systems."
>
> I would think a good progressive would support
> wealth transfers from the Haves of NOVA--FFX being
> among the wealthiest-- to the Have Nots that
> constitute the rest of the state?

He probably would but in VA the NOVA money goes to the moron hard core conservatives in the rest of the states that decry handouts (yet demand them for themselves). As usual you, a conservative troll, has only derision to add to adult problems - that is why you end up being the ward of those of us grown-ups with the responsibility to lead.

Bill.N. Wrote:
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> Once again Henry you have brought no facts to the
> debate, and have simply asserted that your
> opinions are the only legitimate ones. Every
> thread you've posted here could be boiled down to
> "Our schools and other government services need
> more money and we have to give it to them" and
> you would have saved yourself and others the
> effort.

Facts galore, Bill. You simply lack the competence (and backbone) needed to recognize them. You have failed here, and failed badly.

VUxUH Wrote:
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> One major problem is that the county assesses the
> property AND assigns the tax rate. It's in the
> county's interest to overvalue properties isn't
> it? Can you see why this is a problem?

There is an assessment appeals process. Many people use it successfully every single year. Of course, most people who bitch and moan and whine and make absurd suggestions such as yours above do not file an appeal. This is because they actually know full well that they don't have a freaking leg to stand on, their entire case being built on the simple, dull, and self-serving notion of their not wanting to pay any taxes anyway. At H&R Block, we recognize the fact that failure to pay taxes owed is a felony punishable by lengthy jail terms. We encourage authorties to prosecute tax-cheats and tax-avoiders to the fullest extent of the law.

Henry Wallace Wrote:
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> I would think a good progressive would support
> wealth transfers from the Haves of NOVA--FFX being
> among the wealthiest-- to the Have Nots that
> constitute the rest of the state?

Yes, at H&R Block, our proprietary tax data plainly show that these sorry-ass ROVA down-staters need all the help they can get. And that as the only areas in the commonwealth that are actually worth anything to anybody, it's NOVA and the Tidewater who are going to fund the bailout of all these insolvent goobers and yahoos. But how about letting us actually prosperous folks tax ourselves and then spend the money on ourselves? Why should you Richmond clowns get any cut at all out of that? Seems to me that actual Liberty & Freedom folks would be all in favor of that sort of thing. You want it, but we can't have it seems kind of two-faced to me, if you catch my drift.

>There is an assessment appeals process.

Handled by the same people doing the assessments. Do you know why the judicial branch is separate from the executive branch (well, ideally it would be)?

Attention Commissar Block: It has come to the Party's attention that you have written the following, contrary to General Secretary's Obama's Five Year Plan for Combating Income Inequality: "But how about letting us actually prosperous folks tax ourselves and then spend the money on ourselves?" For such right wing Badthink you are stripped of your membership. You must turn in all of your "Free Mumia" memorabilia and your Sandra Fluke pin-ups. Report to Arlington tomorrow morning for reeducation!

PYdeh Wrote:
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> >There is an assessment appeals process.
>
> Handled by the same people doing the assessments.
> Do you know why the judicial branch is separate
> from the executive branch (well, ideally it would
> be)?

Yes, as head of a leading national tax and financial firm, I know mnore than you do about any of this and probably about anything else you could name as well. There is an appeals process. It annually agrees with appellants who can establish an actual case for error or impropriety in their assessments. You have no such case, You are nothing but a worthless whiner. Case dismissed.

Henry Wallace Wrote:
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> Attention Commissar Block: It has come to the
> Party's attention that you have written the
> following, contrary to General Secretary's Obama's
> Five Year Plan for Combating Income Inequality:
> "But how about letting us actually prosperous
> folks tax ourselves and then spend the money on
> ourselves?" For such right wing Badthink you are
> stripped of your membership. You must turn in all
> of your "Free Mumia" memorabilia and your Sandra
> Fluke pin-ups. Report to Arlington tomorrow
> morning for reeducation!

You are certainly giving the name Henry a bad name. Why don't you go play parcheesi or tiddly-winks or something else more suited to your actual talent-level.

>IF the RE tax is high enough, then the dirtbag landlords will have to raise their rent to cover, which may send some of the less desirable folks to other areas...

Never will happen if their are 14 illegals in a unit they will put in a extra
bunk bed and have 17 to pay the rent.

And now that Obama will try to rewrite law to stop deporting illegals to gain points for Demoncreeps in Nov. There may be 19.

NIGGER NIGGER NIGARDLY NIGGER! Wrote:
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> Until all you pussy's unite and rise up against
> these fascists pig fuckers, you are all gonna take
> it up the ass in taxes by the rich and overpaid
> government so called officials in bed sucking the
> rich ones genitalia. You are all a bunch of
> sissy, non-patriotic deadbeats. FYA!

The cries of a wounded wildebeest make more sense. Stupid right-wing sociopath. And asshole.

How much do you think you need in the bank today to fund a $60K withdrawal for the next 30-40 years?
>
>
>
>

According to Ric Edelman's rule-of-thumb, $1.2M should see you through.

>>

Somebody needs to pay for full retirement pay for all of the county workers.

It must be nice to retire at 50 with full salary for the rest of your life.

Talk about the biggest ripoff of taxpayer dollars. Tell me any private job that gives full retirement salaries at 50, or for that matter, full retirement at any age.

I retired from the county as a bluecollar after many years. No no 6 diget pension not even close. But I am happy at 60. Years back when friend we looking for a new job I would tell them to come on to Fairfax and would talk about benefits, 25 years ago many people had good medical plans with their employeers many still do today, As far as retirement I would tell them about it but they had 401Ks that were getting big time intrest rates then , by age 55 they would be millionaires.

Well the county has annual leave and sick leave.. So they would ask
what will the county pay me ? After ther answer their response.. Sorry I cant eat benefits.

Some I have known have become millionaires, They were smart and worked hard and established their own businesses. Others floated from job to job haveing a good time making "good money" and today they are old and dont have a pot to piss in. waiting until 66 to take social security.

You make your bed in life its your choice what you do.

People seem to forget that when folks talk about Fairfax County being one of the wealthiest counties in the US - they are referring to the MEDIAN income. That means half of the people make MORE than that number - but it also means half make LESS. Everyone focus on the upper half when saying higher taxes can be afforded.

My actual dollar amount real estate tax bill will be increasing by 23% between 2012 and 2014. For those making well under the median income in Fairfax County this is a big deal.

NestEgg Wrote:
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> According to Ric Edelman's rule-of-thumb, $1.2M
> should see you through.

Not at an assumed 2% real rate of return, it won't. After about 25 years you'd be tapped out. Once upon a time, there were four legs on the stool of retirement security -- employment-based pensions, Social Security, Medicare, and personal savings. Now the first has been stripped away from private sector workers by the same people who are trying to pull the rug out from under the second and third as well. It doesn't take a genius to realize that personal savings alone are never going to be enough to cover any but the wealthiest Americans. If you are alarmed by this, you should be.

newgatedenizen Wrote:
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> People seem to forget that when folks talk about
> Fairfax County being one of the wealthiest
> counties in the US - they are referring to the
> MEDIAN income. That means half of the people make
> MORE than that number - but it also means half
> make LESS. Everyone focus on the upper
> half when saying higher taxes can be afforded.
>
> My actual dollar amount real estate tax bill will
> be increasing by 23% between 2012 and 2014. For
> those making well under the median income in
> Fairfax County this is a big deal.

Sorry to hear that you bought a house you couldn't afford. At your income level, you should have been much more careful. Had you assumed that your taxes would never go up or something? Median household income meanwhile has some drawbacks as a statistic, but is the standard number that we look at because other means of assessing relative/comparative income are worse.

Social Security and Medicare will not go away---there's too much support for those programs (and need for them). Yes, you will have to save for your own real pension though. There will be two tiers for retirement (the haves and have nots) and there will actually be a third tier of people who don't ever retire. The concept of living out your "golden years" traveling through Europe, etc. only lasted about 40 years or so and now we're back to a more historical reality of how life proceeds. It's hard to get used to it for sure. We'll have to get used to not having other things from those "good old days" as well (like no instructional coaches or turf fields).

"Sorry to hear that you bought a house you couldn't afford. At your income level, you should have been much more careful."

How do you know that he wasn't laid off or his hours weren't reduced in the recession? Or that his wife was laid off or his kid had medical issues? How could anyone know that their income was going to drop? Mine did. My contract was reduced. I didn't see that coming (and maybe, by your reasoning, I should have). If we could all see into the future (like apparently you can), we would not have bought in Fairfax County. Don't assume that you know about other people's lives.

how do you know? Wrote:
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> How do you know that he wasn't laid off or his
> hours weren't reduced in the recession? Or that
> his wife was laid off or his kid had medical
> issues?

Because he didn't mention any such things. He said only that HIS taxes went up by 23% over two years and that increases like that are a big deal for people making well under the county median household income. Those were the facts presented. I wasn't given anything else to go by and neither were you. Simply making up things and believing that they must be relevant is a throroughly stupid thing to do.

> How could anyone know that their income
> was going to drop? Mine did. My contract was
> reduced. I didn't see that coming (and maybe, by
> your reasoning, I should have). If we could all
> see into the future (like apparently you can), we
> would not have bought in Fairfax County. Don't
> assume that you know about other people's lives.

Well then, here's the perfect opportunity to move away again. Meanwhile, all that can be known about the future by anyone is possbilities and probabilities. If you roll the dice and ignore those things, you are going to get smacked down for it eventually. That's the way the world works. Get used to it. Your situation may or may not be your own fault, but don't expect that whining over it will lure a lot of attendees to any pity-party you might like to convene.

excess we can't afford Wrote:
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> Social Security and Medicare will not go
> away---there's too much support for those programs
> (and need for them). Yes, you will have to save
> for your own real pension though. There will be
> two tiers for retirement (the haves and have nots)
> and there will actually be a third tier of people
> who don't ever retire. The concept of living out
> your "golden years" traveling through Europe, etc.
> only lasted about 40 years or so and now we're
> back to a more historical reality of how life
> proceeds. It's hard to get used to it for sure.
> We'll have to get used to not having other things
> from those "good old days" as well (like no
> instructional coaches or turf fields).

The raiders don't care about how much NEED for Medicare or Social Security there might be. These programs are examples of deadly socialism and need to be destroyed. Risk-sharing is bad. Forget security. What everyone needs is to be exposed to a lot more risk. Haven't they made all this clear enough for you yet? And the money to pay for other such important things is meanwhile still there. Their tax returns tell me that it's all been moved over into the pockets of already wealthy people who have no intention of using it in such a way. You've been suckered big time, fool. Really big time, and it's going to cost you.

>I know mnore than you do about any of this and probably about anything else you could name as well

Statistical mechanics. You might want to chneck you ego at the door.

>There is an appeals process

Even in our judicial system appeals are handled in a different court than the originating court. When you appeal your assesment you appeal to Fairfax County. The same group that assigned the assesment.

There is NO independent assesment of the property values. It doesn't matter if there is an appeals process.

bYPWP Wrote:
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> Statistical mechanics.

Poor choice on your part. Having worked with complex stochastic statitical systems and models for decades, I am quite confident that my knowledge in such areas exceeds yours by significant degrees. As in by orders of magnitude.

> You might want to chneck you ego at the door.

"chneck you"? You might want to stop drooling on yourself, Gumby. Doesn't make you look good. Otherwise, I could certainly understand a person such as yourself not having an ego. But someone in my position? Please.

> Even in our judicial system appeals are handled in
> a different court than the originating court.
> When you appeal your assesment you appeal to
> Fairfax County. The same group that assigned the
> assesment. There is NO independent assesment of the
> property values. It doesn't matter if there is an
> appeals process.

Does it hurt to be that dumb, Gumby? Can you explain the occurrence of so many taxpayer-favorable outcomes on appeal in your retrograde little two-dimensional world? No, you can't. That's because it's gooberish kindergarten-level nonsense. At H&R Block we do not respect such crudity and incompetence.

"These programs are examples of deadly socialism and need to be destroyed. Risk-sharing is bad."

So in your world you would prefer to have gates around your house and keep out the starving and sick people (because obviously that will never be you). Forget about health insurance entirely, eliminate all taxes, and only the rich get educated. Sounds Dickensian. That was a great world.

>"chneck you"? You might want to stop drooling on yourself

I am drooling. I didn't write: "mnore", "statitical". I incorrectly typed check to see what would happen. How do you know I did that? I used an 'n' just like you did! Which one is drooling?

>complex stochastic statitical systems and models

I don't know what this is. You are probably drooling into your keyboard and slipped off the s. Clever huh?

I said "mechanics".

kujGv Wrote:
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> I said "mechanics".

Actually, you said statistical mechanics, Gumby. Bit more than than changing out a sparkplug there, you know. Maybe you should have googled it or something before making an even more complete ass of yourself.

Henry Block Wrote:
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> Sorry to hear that you bought a house you couldn't
> afford. At your income level, you should have
> been much more careful. Had you assumed that your
> taxes would never go up or something?


What? I thought liberals were concerned about the plight of the poor. Where is your sympathy? Where is your concern? You sound like a heartless Republican. Shouldn't lower income people be able to purchase housing? I am shocked by your cruel Republican-like comments. Typical liberal hypocrite.

Full Retirement Salaries Wrote:
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> Somebody needs to pay for full retirement pay for
> all of the county workers.
>
> It must be nice to retire at 50 with full salary
> for the rest of your life.
>
> Talk about the biggest ripoff of taxpayer dollars.
> Tell me any private job that gives full
> retirement salaries at 50, or for that matter,
> full retirement at any age.


Full retirement DOES NOT equal full salary. "Full retirement" is the maximum benefit you will ever qualify for. The term is used to differentiate it from the other types of retirement, such as a reduced early retirement.

I'm on "full retirement" from the County and I receive about half of what I earned working. Out of that is deducted almost the full health insurance premium, which knocks the hell out of the bottom line. I net about one third of what I made working.

I'm not complaining, but I'm sick of ignorant morons convincing other ignorant morons that public employees retire at 50 and draw the full pay that they made working. Not even close to the truth.

is said your taxes went down mother fucker

now shut the hell up

republicans are suffering from $13T of obama democrats printing their way into power. which used to come with a death penalty mind you.

(13 10^12)/((256 10^6)/4

($203,125) per citizen (meaning counting non-gov workers, or people in families of abusive non-sharing gov workers, and not illegal citizens)

owed by obama regime not counting busch and clinton free-for-alls (small in comparison)

is it any wonder citizens law suits are demanding it back seeing how spent ?

not a single, dumb ass

I am a county employee with a specialized skill set and could earn quite a bit more in the private sector then I do with the county. I stay here for the benefits and job satisfaction. I will earn less over the course of my career however I know what I can expect in retirement etc... This is a choice I made and the county benefits by retaining me at a lower cost.

Defined benefit retirement plans allow the county to retain experienced workers at lower rates. Money is saved on low turnover, low training costs, etc...

Imagine having the county workforce turnover every few years as people left for higher paying jobs in the private center. Everything is not as black and white as some posters would have it.

newgatedenizen Wrote:
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> What? I thought liberals were concerned about the
> plight of the poor.

First of all, you aren't poor. You're just another worthless child-like whiner. Believe me, we see your type of loser all day long in our like of work. "What? I have to pay TAXES? No fair!" These are the visions of sugar plums people, and you're one of them. No concern or sympathy for you. Disdain and disgust, yes. Concern and sympathy, no.

FcNnd Wrote:
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> republicans are suffering from $13T of obama
> democrats printing their way into power.

Republicans are suffering from mass collective stupidity if any more of them than just you believe that sort of absolute rot. It doesn't seem to me that you have even the most basic understanding of either fiscal or monetary policy going on over there. We could help you out with that if you signed up for some of our taxpayer education courses. At least, probably.

County employee Wrote:
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> I am a county employee with a specialized skill
> set and could earn quite a bit more in the private
> sector then I do with the county.

That's a fairly common story. Surveys show that the private sector typically pays 20-25% more than the federal government for comparable work for instance. State and local are too diverse to sample efficiently, but the same sorts of trends are thought with good reason to apply. In part this is due to public sector workers electing to take the sort of deferred compensation you describe. That's money earned now but paid to you later. Sports stars do this all the time out of concern for protecting their situations in their later years. Nobody raises a finger. Let a public sector worker do it, and the right-wingers are told to raise a hissy-fit over it. So they do. Not knowing any better.

> I stay here for the benefits and job satisfaction.

That's the other side of the coin. The pleasure and satisfaction of public sector work have to be monetized and counted as income according to some. No one ever wonders why private sector jobs don't offer anything like that.

Had our property taxes not been hiked yet again, the FFX schools would've disintegrated, The Children would've become illiterate, we would've lost the Education Spending Race to Montgomery County, and there would've been less money to replace embezzled field trip funds and stolen iPads and computers. For the latest, see http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/2/1525253.html

Henry Block Wrote:
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> newgatedenizen Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > What? I thought liberals were concerned about
> the
> > plight of the poor.
>
> First of all, you aren't poor. You're just
> another worthless child-like whiner. Believe me,
> we see your type of loser all day long in our like
> of work. "What? I have to pay TAXES? No fair!"
> These are the visions of sugar plums people, and
> you're one of them. No concern or sympathy for
> you. Disdain and disgust, yes. Concern and
> sympathy, no.

So you in the end you admit you are a heartless bastard. Anything to collect taxes for the government machine. You are exactly the type that served the Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot regimes well.

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Blessing of the Government Taxes

Let me, Dear God, shift the paradigm on this Thanksgiving and blissfully give thanks for the gift of government, and thank the government for the gift of taxes. Bless my taxes, O God! Give me peace of mind as I rejoice in filling out forms and returning money to its rightful owner, the government. Keep me joyous, I pray, as I write out those checks. Yea, Lord, we know that there is little reason to be joyous with the failure of the healthcare collectivization rollout, but the thought of a new tax year still brings to us a swelling tear of joy. And whisper to me, Lord, all the good reasons that I send my money to my government every year.

Raise my awareness to the fact that I could not write this prayer, and would be a barely-functioning illiterate living in the gutter, if I had not received a free tax-subsidized education; my parents could not have afforded both my tuition and their own tax payments, so my tuition was supplied, at no expense to anyone, by the government. Remind me of how my mind has been so wondrously calibrated by our free public schools!

Gently show me that the Internet, through which I send this prayer to others, was created by committees of civil servants. Help me to recall that my freedom to pray as I wish was purchased with tax dollars that paid for dairy price supports. Quietly kiss me as you raise my awareness that the only deserving people, the most noble among us, are those who subsist on government programs -- paid for with our taxes. My Lord my God, fondle me as you energize me with the hopefulness of higher taxes that can pay for an even more effective Internal Revenue service, which in turn can collect even more taxes for an even more effective Internal Revenue Service, which will culminate in an ecstatic spiral of an all-encompassing tax-collecting mechanism that will be accountable to no one except to the spirit of economic justice.

Reveal to me, Lord, in my mind's eye, the public health workers, the regulators of the environment and of commerce, the employees of the Department of Energy, and the Department of Health and Human Services, and the Department of Education, and the Administration for Children and Families, and the Minerals Management Service, and the Rural Business-Cooperative Service, and the Minority Business Development Agency , and the Japan-United States Friendship Commission , and the Government National Mortgage Association, and the Housing and Urban Development Department, and the Committee for the Implementation of Textile Agreements, and the Institute of Peace, and the Bureau of International Labor Affairs, and the Tennessee Valley Authority, and the Small Business Administration, and the Superfund Basic Research Program , and the President's Commission on Moon, Mars and Beyond, and the Office of Refugee Resettlement, and the Office of Thrift Supervision, and the Occupational Safety and Health Review Commission , and the Citizens' Stamp Advisory Committee , and the Susquehanna River Basin Commission, and the Stennis Center for Public Service, and the Saint Lawrence Seaway Development Corporation , and the Peace Corps, and the Office of Public and Indian Housing, and the President's Council on Integrity and Efficiency, and the National Bipartisan Commission on the Future of Medicare, and the National Interagency Fire Center, and the Northwest Power Planning Council, and the Multifamily Housing Office , and the Federal Laboratory Consortium for Technology Transfer, and especially the Internal Revenue Service, and all the other things that my taxes and your taxes make possible.

And please, Lord, remind my brothers and sisters that they should liquidate their savings accounts and mutual funds, bonds and CDs, so that they too can be forced to turn it over to the greatest bargain of all that is Social Security. Educate me, Dear One, of how difficult life was for the sick and elderly before they paid throughout their entire careers, with threat of imprisonment, 14% of their wages for the iron-clad guarantees of Social Security. Please, Lord, make everyone realize that there is no investment more secure, and none that gives such a generous return, as Social Security.

Tax the rich. Sicken the healthy. Scar the beautiful. Destroy the "successful". Drown the bankers. Blind the stock traders. Cripple the athletes and sever the hands of the musicians.


Take me out of my selfishness and give me a spirit of gratitude as I write those tax checks! Remind me of my own virtue as I inform the IRS of cheaters. Inspire me to see that my sacred duty is to serve those who are unable to provide "value" to others, or are unwilling to provide anything for themselves. And that my highest calling is to ensure that others return whatever they have to the Government that You have created.

O Dear One, there are so many ways I wish my taxes could be spent! I'm willing, O Lord, to pay even more in taxes if it would work for the common good: We need a strong government to take back from the rich few and generously give to the many! Lord my God, please put the brakes on commerce, remove all profits from the pigs who "produced" it, and turn it all over to those who deserve it. So, more than ever, dear God, give me the strength and the vision to rise up and press my government to unapologetically take back what is ours. My sacred duty as a spokesperson for the working class can only be fulfilled if we organize, advocate, protest, resist, agitate, and speak truth to power by writing tax checks. I ask for your guidance, God, as I join with others to change the priorities and values of our government, so that they reflect more of our collective will, and my struggle, as expressed through your will.

Lord, you have created all men and wymyn as equals. Any disparity from your plan is an affront to decency. And so I pray, my Dear Lord, that you fulfill your vision for true equality, and remove all excess. In service to you, my Lord, we will not rest until everyone is truly equal. Tax the rich. Sicken the healthy. Scar the beautiful. Destroy the "successful". Drown the bankers. Blind the stock traders. Cripple the athletes and sever the hands of the musicians. Plant carnivorous bacteria in the brains of those who score high on racist "IQ" tests. Deliver wasting diseases to the strong. Starve and stone the executives and managers. Show no mercy to the blood-sucking merchants as they suffer merciless deaths in the searing flames of gargantuan infernos. Smash capitalism and deliver us, Dear One, to our deserved socialist paradise.

May your blessing rest on my Form 1040, dear Lord, and may my taxes well serve you and my fellow citizens! Amen.


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Henry Wallace Wrote:
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> Had our property taxes not been hiked yet again,
> the FFX schools would've disintegrated, The
> Children would've become illiterate, we would've
> lost the Education Spending Race to Montgomery
> County, and there would've been less money to
> replace embezzled field trip funds and stolen
> iPads and computers. For the latest, see
> http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/2/152
> 5253.html

Seems like it's past your bedtime. toadie.

newgatedenizen Wrote:
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> So you in the end you admit you are a heartless
> bastard. Anything to collect taxes for the
> government machine. You are exactly the type that
> served the Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot regimes well.

You left out Hitler. Three out of four, though. But just by the way...

"The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from
whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and
without regard to any census or enumeration."

No more sugar plums, I'm afraid. Be paid up or locked up -- the choice is yours. We can of course help you if you select the former.