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TJ admissions numbers expose continued racial disparity; Of 487 students admitted, 3.7 percent are black or Hispanic
Posted by:
Tax and Spend
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Date: April 21, 2014 04:22AM
TJ admissions numbers expose continued racial disparity
Of 487 students admitted, 3.7 percent are black or Hispanic
http://www.fairfaxtimes.com/article/20140418/NEWS/140419132/1076/TJ-admissions-numbers-expose-continued-racial-disparity&template=fairfaxTimes
Admissions statistics for next fall’s incoming class at Thomas Jefferson High School for Science and Technology show continuing racial and ethnic disparity at the magnet school.
More than 66 percent of the students accepted to Thomas Jefferson are Asian, while just 10 black and eight Hispanic students were admitted out of a total of 487 applicants.
This year’s numbers continue a larger trend. In the last five years, black and Hispanic students have combined to make up no more than 4.3 percent of the total students accepted. This year, black students make up 10.3 percent and Hispanic students 23.6 percent of all students in Fairfax County public schools.
The stark contrast in the population of Thomas Jefferson compared to the county in which it is located is leading community members to look critically at the gulf between black and Hispanic students and their peers, not only in the admissions process for the prestigious school but throughout the Fairfax County school system.
The public magnet school, often referred to locally as TJ, is operated by FCPS, but accepts students from private as well as public schools and from neighboring jurisdictions in Virginia. Still, the majority of its students come from the Fairfax County public schools.
“I love Fairfax because of its diversity,” said Tina Hone, a former county School Board member. “But I want to see that become equity and equality in our schools. And that’s not what we see.”
Hone is the founder and chair of Coalition of the Silence (COTS), a community organization focused on closing the achievement gap between black and Hispanic students and their peers.
In July 2012, the group filed a complaint with the U.S. Department of Education’s Office for Civil Rights against FCPS over the lack of diversity at TJ. The complaint, alleging discrimination against black and Hispanic students, remains under investigation by the Department of Education, according to Hone.
“There are no easy answers,” Hone said. “But what I’m not seeing from FCPS is urgency to address this problem, and that worries me.”
The school system did revamp its admissions process for the magnet school heading into this year.
The total applicant pool is narrowed to a group of semifinalists based on school grades and the results of a standardized admissions test. Semifinalists then undergo a “holistic” evaluation process, taking into account required essays and teacher recommendations as well as grades and test results. According to the new policy, the “holistic review [is] designed to identify a talented, committed and diverse student body.”
Jeremy Shugart, TJ admissions director, issued a statement when this year’s admissions statistics were released noting outreach efforts to encourage black and Hispanic students to apply.
“These aggressive outreach efforts will continue to encourage African American and Hispanic students with a passion for math and science to consider attending TJ as their high school option,” Shugart said in a statement.
Still, according to Hone, the admissions statistics expose a problem that cannot be solved simply by getting more students to apply.
“Outreach can’t just happen in eighth grade,” Hone said.
Less black and Hispanic students apply to the school, but the admissions rates for those student groups are also lower than their white and Asian peers: 23 percent of Asian applicants were accepted and 12.3 percent of white applicants were accepted, compared to 5.6 percent of black applicants and 3.7 percent of Hispanic applicants.
The achievement gap starts in the early grades, according to Hone, so by the time students apply to TJ they are already behind. Hone sees the admission statistics as a call for more robust pre-K education and better, more inclusive screening for advanced academic programs across the board.
“We’re not asking for quotas at TJ,” Hone said. “We’re not asking for any sort of lowering of standards. But we need to recognize that this is a very deeply entrenched problem in Fairfax County.”
Of 487 students admitted, 3.7 percent are black or Hispanic
http://www.fairfaxtimes.com/article/20140418/NEWS/140419132/1076/TJ-admissions-numbers-expose-continued-racial-disparity&template=fairfaxTimes
Admissions statistics for next fall’s incoming class at Thomas Jefferson High School for Science and Technology show continuing racial and ethnic disparity at the magnet school.
More than 66 percent of the students accepted to Thomas Jefferson are Asian, while just 10 black and eight Hispanic students were admitted out of a total of 487 applicants.
This year’s numbers continue a larger trend. In the last five years, black and Hispanic students have combined to make up no more than 4.3 percent of the total students accepted. This year, black students make up 10.3 percent and Hispanic students 23.6 percent of all students in Fairfax County public schools.
The stark contrast in the population of Thomas Jefferson compared to the county in which it is located is leading community members to look critically at the gulf between black and Hispanic students and their peers, not only in the admissions process for the prestigious school but throughout the Fairfax County school system.
The public magnet school, often referred to locally as TJ, is operated by FCPS, but accepts students from private as well as public schools and from neighboring jurisdictions in Virginia. Still, the majority of its students come from the Fairfax County public schools.
“I love Fairfax because of its diversity,” said Tina Hone, a former county School Board member. “But I want to see that become equity and equality in our schools. And that’s not what we see.”
Hone is the founder and chair of Coalition of the Silence (COTS), a community organization focused on closing the achievement gap between black and Hispanic students and their peers.
In July 2012, the group filed a complaint with the U.S. Department of Education’s Office for Civil Rights against FCPS over the lack of diversity at TJ. The complaint, alleging discrimination against black and Hispanic students, remains under investigation by the Department of Education, according to Hone.
“There are no easy answers,” Hone said. “But what I’m not seeing from FCPS is urgency to address this problem, and that worries me.”
The school system did revamp its admissions process for the magnet school heading into this year.
The total applicant pool is narrowed to a group of semifinalists based on school grades and the results of a standardized admissions test. Semifinalists then undergo a “holistic” evaluation process, taking into account required essays and teacher recommendations as well as grades and test results. According to the new policy, the “holistic review [is] designed to identify a talented, committed and diverse student body.”
Jeremy Shugart, TJ admissions director, issued a statement when this year’s admissions statistics were released noting outreach efforts to encourage black and Hispanic students to apply.
“These aggressive outreach efforts will continue to encourage African American and Hispanic students with a passion for math and science to consider attending TJ as their high school option,” Shugart said in a statement.
Still, according to Hone, the admissions statistics expose a problem that cannot be solved simply by getting more students to apply.
“Outreach can’t just happen in eighth grade,” Hone said.
Less black and Hispanic students apply to the school, but the admissions rates for those student groups are also lower than their white and Asian peers: 23 percent of Asian applicants were accepted and 12.3 percent of white applicants were accepted, compared to 5.6 percent of black applicants and 3.7 percent of Hispanic applicants.
The achievement gap starts in the early grades, according to Hone, so by the time students apply to TJ they are already behind. Hone sees the admission statistics as a call for more robust pre-K education and better, more inclusive screening for advanced academic programs across the board.
“We’re not asking for quotas at TJ,” Hone said. “We’re not asking for any sort of lowering of standards. But we need to recognize that this is a very deeply entrenched problem in Fairfax County.”
Re: TJ admissions numbers expose continued racial disparity; Of 487 students admitted, 3.7 percent are black or Hispanic
Posted by:
Surprise, surprise, surprise
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Date: April 21, 2014 07:37AM
In other news, water remains wet.
Re: TJ admissions numbers expose continued racial disparity; Of 487 students admitted, 3.7 percent are black or Hispanic
Posted by:
Former Teacher
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Date: April 21, 2014 07:40AM
A possible explanation is based on an Asian family I know, typical mom, dad, 2 children. They are Korean immigrants, the father runs a small business, he works probably 60, 70, or more hours a week. Both of the children spend much more time in educaitonal pursuits than the typical White, Hispanic, or Black child does. They go to public school, in addition attend Korean school, on Saturdays I think, and then attend a TJ prep class after the daily school day on at least 3 days a week. the parents then, mother mostly, spend additional time working through the TJ prep material every day. These kids also spend time every day practicing musical instruments.
One might say they don't have time to just be children, in the American sense, but it certainly might also explain why there is such a preponderance of Asians at TJ.
Many years ago, I was an elementary teacher in FCPS, long before TJ was even established. I had 2 kids come in from Korea, they barely spoke a word of English. So, of course their reading level was nowhere near grade level, but they made up for it quicly and advanced through the reading levels at a much faster rate than the White or Black kids in the class. However, their math levels were at least 3 grades above the FCPS curriculum.
Possibly if, White, Black, and Latino children spent an equal amount of time there might less of a difference. It really comes down to the value placed on education. Asians value educaiton much more than other cultures.
One might say they don't have time to just be children, in the American sense, but it certainly might also explain why there is such a preponderance of Asians at TJ.
Many years ago, I was an elementary teacher in FCPS, long before TJ was even established. I had 2 kids come in from Korea, they barely spoke a word of English. So, of course their reading level was nowhere near grade level, but they made up for it quicly and advanced through the reading levels at a much faster rate than the White or Black kids in the class. However, their math levels were at least 3 grades above the FCPS curriculum.
Possibly if, White, Black, and Latino children spent an equal amount of time there might less of a difference. It really comes down to the value placed on education. Asians value educaiton much more than other cultures.
Re: TJ admissions numbers expose continued racial disparity; Of 487 students admitted, 3.7 percent are black or Hispanic
Posted by:
Former Teacher = former clod
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Date: April 21, 2014 08:40AM
Former Teacher Wrote:
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> A possible explanation is based on an Asian family
> I know, typical mom, dad, 2 children. They are
> Korean immigrants, the father runs a small
> business, he works probably 60, 70, or more hours
> a week. Both of the children spend much more time
> in educaitonal pursuits than the typical White,
> Hispanic, or Black child does.
Apparently as a "Former Teacher" your "educaitonal" pursuits were somewhat lacking too. It's EDUCATIONAL! No wonder our children can't spell.
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> A possible explanation is based on an Asian family
> I know, typical mom, dad, 2 children. They are
> Korean immigrants, the father runs a small
> business, he works probably 60, 70, or more hours
> a week. Both of the children spend much more time
> in educaitonal pursuits than the typical White,
> Hispanic, or Black child does.
Apparently as a "Former Teacher" your "educaitonal" pursuits were somewhat lacking too. It's EDUCATIONAL! No wonder our children can't spell.
Re: TJ admissions numbers expose continued racial disparity; Of 487 students admitted, 3.7 percent are black or Hispanic
Posted by:
Diversity Rocks
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Date: April 21, 2014 10:16AM
Surprise, surprise, surprise Wrote:
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> In other news, water remains wet.
And just breaking, the sun rose from the east today.
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> In other news, water remains wet.
And just breaking, the sun rose from the east today.
Re: TJ admissions numbers expose continued racial disparity; Of 487 students admitted, 3.7 percent are black or Hispanic
Posted by:
6cXkC
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Date: April 21, 2014 10:26AM
Former Teacher = former clod Wrote:
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>
> Apparently as a "Former Teacher" your
> "educaitonal" pursuits were somewhat lacking too.
> It's EDUCATIONAL! No wonder our children can't
> spell.
It was a basic typo - shut the fuck up.
Blacks and hispanics aren't getting accepted into TJ. So let me guess, it's someone else's fault other than the blacks and hispanics. It's known that those cultures don't support education as much as other cultures - but again, that's someone else's fault.
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>
> Apparently as a "Former Teacher" your
> "educaitonal" pursuits were somewhat lacking too.
> It's EDUCATIONAL! No wonder our children can't
> spell.
It was a basic typo - shut the fuck up.
Blacks and hispanics aren't getting accepted into TJ. So let me guess, it's someone else's fault other than the blacks and hispanics. It's known that those cultures don't support education as much as other cultures - but again, that's someone else's fault.
Re: TJ admissions numbers expose continued racial disparity; Of 487 students admitted, 3.7 percent are black or Hispanic
Posted by:
pDcbm
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Date: April 21, 2014 11:04AM
I guess this means that I want my kids to go to this school because there are fewer dangerous minority children going there.
Re: TJ admissions numbers expose continued racial disparity; Of 487 students admitted, 3.7 percent are black or Hispanic
Posted by:
Sobering stats
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Date: April 21, 2014 11:40AM
TJHSST Admissions Statistics for Class of 2017
http://www.fcps.edu/cco/pr/tj/tjadmissions0413.pdf
TJHSST Admissions Statistics for Class of 2016
http://www.fcps.edu/cco/pr/tj/tjadmissions0412.pdf
http://www.fcps.edu/cco/pr/tj/tjadmissions0413.pdf
TJHSST Admissions Statistics for Class of 2016
http://www.fcps.edu/cco/pr/tj/tjadmissions0412.pdf
Re: TJ admissions numbers expose continued racial disparity; Of 487 students admitted, 3.7 percent are black or Hispanic
Posted by:
From the Washington Post...
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Date: April 21, 2014 11:43AM
Demographics shift at Thomas Jefferson High as Asians make up 66 percent of new class
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/demographics-shift-at-thomas-jefferson-high-as-asians-make-up-66-percent-of-new-class/2014/04/08/78374f7a-bf23-11e3-b574-f8748871856a_story.html
The demographic makeup of Fairfax County’s Thomas Jefferson High School for Science and Technology continues to shift. More than 66 percent of the students in next fall’s incoming class are of Asian descent, with just 10 black and eight Hispanic students admitted to the magnet school’s Class of 2018.
The public school, which is open to students in Fairfax and neighboring Northern Virginia jurisdictions, received 2,900 applications for admission in the fall, the lowest number since 2009. The school accepted 487 students, an admission rate of 17 percent, akin to a selective college.
TJ’s student population has shifted significantly in the past decade as rising numbers of immigrants have moved to Northern Virginia. An overwhelming majority of those admitted now are Asian students, and the school accepted the fewest number of white students since at least 2004 — 117 this year — making up 24 percent of the class. In 2004, 54 percent of the admitted students were white and 32 percent were Asian.
Admission rates also vary considerably by race. Asian students had a 23 percent admission rate while 12 percent of white applicants and 6 percent of black applicants gained spots at the school. And this year, male students make up 60 percent of those admitted to TJ, up from 52 percent in 2005.
County school officials have faced criticism in recent years for the lack of diversity at the flagship high school, annually ranked as one of the best in the country. In 2012, the school system faced a complaint, filed with the U.S. Education Department’s Office for Civil Rights, alleging that the school discriminates against minority and poor students.
Overall, black and Hispanic students make up about 3.5 percent of TJ’s total student population. The 10 black students admitted this year was double the number accepted last year; the eight Hispanic students admitted was a drop from the 15 who were accepted in 2013.
The school also has a tiny population of poor students, drawing criticism that the school caters only to Northern Virginia’s more affluent. This year, just four students who qualify for free or reduced-price meals, a federal measure of poverty, were granted admission out of 230 applicants, an acceptance rate of less than 2 percent.
Tina Hone — a past member of the Fairfax County School Board and founder of the Coalition of the Silence, an advocacy group — said she found the admissions statistics unsettling.
“Black and Latino students, who together make up more than a third of the [Fairfax County] student body, must be given the same opportunity to share in the full bounty of the Fairfax County public school system,” said Hone, who filed the complaint with the Education Department. “We see the divisions in FCPS becoming more and more entrenched along racial and ethnic lines, with one set of schools and programs for white and Asian students and another set for black and Latino students. This cannot be allowed to continue.”
TJ Admissions Director Jeremy Shughart said in a statement that the school has made efforts to reach out to minority students with a passion for math and science to apply. Shughart said school officials are encouraged by the increase in the number of black students and noted that the school system is committed to diversity at TJ.
“We recognize there is more work to be done, and we will review all of the K-12 outreach efforts in the interest of continuous improvement,” Shughart said.
George Becerra, chair of Fairfax’s Minority Student Achievement Oversight Committee, said that the number of black and Hispanic applicants has dropped precipitously in recent years despite those outreach efforts. The number of black and Hispanic applicants to TJ has dropped by 25 percent since a five-year high in 2012.
This year marked the first time since 2009 that more than 480 students were admitted to the freshman class. School spokesman John Torre said that the regulations regarding admission to TJ allow for “approximately 480 students to be accepted.”
“In the past, a numeric system was used to rank students,” Torre said. “The new holistic evaluation process identified 487 students that the evaluators believe deserve admission offers.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/demographics-shift-at-thomas-jefferson-high-as-asians-make-up-66-percent-of-new-class/2014/04/08/78374f7a-bf23-11e3-b574-f8748871856a_story.html
The demographic makeup of Fairfax County’s Thomas Jefferson High School for Science and Technology continues to shift. More than 66 percent of the students in next fall’s incoming class are of Asian descent, with just 10 black and eight Hispanic students admitted to the magnet school’s Class of 2018.
The public school, which is open to students in Fairfax and neighboring Northern Virginia jurisdictions, received 2,900 applications for admission in the fall, the lowest number since 2009. The school accepted 487 students, an admission rate of 17 percent, akin to a selective college.
TJ’s student population has shifted significantly in the past decade as rising numbers of immigrants have moved to Northern Virginia. An overwhelming majority of those admitted now are Asian students, and the school accepted the fewest number of white students since at least 2004 — 117 this year — making up 24 percent of the class. In 2004, 54 percent of the admitted students were white and 32 percent were Asian.
Admission rates also vary considerably by race. Asian students had a 23 percent admission rate while 12 percent of white applicants and 6 percent of black applicants gained spots at the school. And this year, male students make up 60 percent of those admitted to TJ, up from 52 percent in 2005.
County school officials have faced criticism in recent years for the lack of diversity at the flagship high school, annually ranked as one of the best in the country. In 2012, the school system faced a complaint, filed with the U.S. Education Department’s Office for Civil Rights, alleging that the school discriminates against minority and poor students.
Overall, black and Hispanic students make up about 3.5 percent of TJ’s total student population. The 10 black students admitted this year was double the number accepted last year; the eight Hispanic students admitted was a drop from the 15 who were accepted in 2013.
The school also has a tiny population of poor students, drawing criticism that the school caters only to Northern Virginia’s more affluent. This year, just four students who qualify for free or reduced-price meals, a federal measure of poverty, were granted admission out of 230 applicants, an acceptance rate of less than 2 percent.
Tina Hone — a past member of the Fairfax County School Board and founder of the Coalition of the Silence, an advocacy group — said she found the admissions statistics unsettling.
“Black and Latino students, who together make up more than a third of the [Fairfax County] student body, must be given the same opportunity to share in the full bounty of the Fairfax County public school system,” said Hone, who filed the complaint with the Education Department. “We see the divisions in FCPS becoming more and more entrenched along racial and ethnic lines, with one set of schools and programs for white and Asian students and another set for black and Latino students. This cannot be allowed to continue.”
TJ Admissions Director Jeremy Shughart said in a statement that the school has made efforts to reach out to minority students with a passion for math and science to apply. Shughart said school officials are encouraged by the increase in the number of black students and noted that the school system is committed to diversity at TJ.
“We recognize there is more work to be done, and we will review all of the K-12 outreach efforts in the interest of continuous improvement,” Shughart said.
George Becerra, chair of Fairfax’s Minority Student Achievement Oversight Committee, said that the number of black and Hispanic applicants has dropped precipitously in recent years despite those outreach efforts. The number of black and Hispanic applicants to TJ has dropped by 25 percent since a five-year high in 2012.
This year marked the first time since 2009 that more than 480 students were admitted to the freshman class. School spokesman John Torre said that the regulations regarding admission to TJ allow for “approximately 480 students to be accepted.”
“In the past, a numeric system was used to rank students,” Torre said. “The new holistic evaluation process identified 487 students that the evaluators believe deserve admission offers.”
Re: TJ admissions numbers expose continued racial disparity; Of 487 students admitted, 3.7 percent are black or Hispanic
Posted by:
WHAT!?!
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Date: April 21, 2014 11:44AM
"“Black and Latino students, who together make up more than a third of the [Fairfax County] student body, must be given the same opportunity to share in the full bounty of the Fairfax County public school system,” said Hone,..."
Where is the evidence that Black and Latino students are not given the same opportunity? Equal opportunity does not necessarily mean equal results. The "full bounty of the Fairfax County public school system" requires a lot of hard work and discipline. It is not some give away program.
Thomas Jefferson High is truly a National Treasure. Don't screw it up by the forced admission of students who do not meet its standards. Admissions must be based on merit PERIOD; not the color of a student's skin.
The racist bias against Asians expressed by Hone is sickening. The students admitted to TJ are motivated and work hard to succeed academically. That is what America is about; not racial quotas based on demographics.
Where is the evidence that Black and Latino students are not given the same opportunity? Equal opportunity does not necessarily mean equal results. The "full bounty of the Fairfax County public school system" requires a lot of hard work and discipline. It is not some give away program.
Thomas Jefferson High is truly a National Treasure. Don't screw it up by the forced admission of students who do not meet its standards. Admissions must be based on merit PERIOD; not the color of a student's skin.
The racist bias against Asians expressed by Hone is sickening. The students admitted to TJ are motivated and work hard to succeed academically. That is what America is about; not racial quotas based on demographics.
Re: TJ admissions numbers expose continued racial disparity; Of 487 students admitted, 3.7 percent are black or Hispanic
Posted by:
America is all about
()
Date: April 21, 2014 11:55AM
Quotas.
Where have you been for the last half century?
Where have you been for the last half century?
Re: TJ admissions numbers expose continued racial disparity; Of 487 students admitted, 3.7 percent are black or Hispanic
Posted by:
Bill.N.
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Date: April 21, 2014 12:18PM
WHAT!?! Wrote:
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> Thomas Jefferson High is truly a National
> Treasure. Don't screw it up by the forced
> admission of students who do not meet its
> standards. Admissions must be based on merit
> PERIOD; not the color of a student's skin.
>
TJ is already screwed up. The fact that you've had rising numbers of students in need of remediation indicates that the admissions process is seriously screwed up. These numbers are not limited to the blacks and Hispanics. It would be possible to fill Fairfax's portion of the TJ admissions class two or three times over with kids who are fully qualified to be there.
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> Thomas Jefferson High is truly a National
> Treasure. Don't screw it up by the forced
> admission of students who do not meet its
> standards. Admissions must be based on merit
> PERIOD; not the color of a student's skin.
>
TJ is already screwed up. The fact that you've had rising numbers of students in need of remediation indicates that the admissions process is seriously screwed up. These numbers are not limited to the blacks and Hispanics. It would be possible to fill Fairfax's portion of the TJ admissions class two or three times over with kids who are fully qualified to be there.
Re: TJ admissions numbers expose continued racial disparity; Of 487 students admitted, 3.7 percent are black or Hispanic
Posted by:
RydellRoad
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Date: April 21, 2014 12:31PM
Perhaps they should open a second school...
Re: TJ admissions numbers expose continued racial disparity; Of 487 students admitted, 3.7 percent are black or Hispanic
Posted by:
Duhh...
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Date: April 21, 2014 12:39PM
RydellRoad Wrote:
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> Perhaps they should open a second school...
Yeah. The next one shouldn't discriminate against stupid kids no matter what the demographics.
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> Perhaps they should open a second school...
Yeah. The next one shouldn't discriminate against stupid kids no matter what the demographics.
Re: TJ admissions numbers expose continued racial disparity; Of 487 students admitted, 3.7 percent are black or Hispanic
Posted by:
7dCCv
()
Date: April 21, 2014 01:22PM
Bureaucratic bullshit getting in the way of education. This is a magnet school for the smartest children. If blacks and hispanic students aren't well represented, it means they should work harder. It does not mean that we should admit them because there just aren't a fair amount of blacks and hispanics in the school.
WHERE THE FUCK IS THE ACCOUNTABILITY HERE!?!? Why is this anyone else's problem besides the black and hispanic populations who apparently aren't studying hard enough to be admitted???
WHERE THE FUCK IS THE ACCOUNTABILITY HERE!?!? Why is this anyone else's problem besides the black and hispanic populations who apparently aren't studying hard enough to be admitted???
Re: TJ admissions numbers expose continued racial disparity; Of 487 students admitted, 3.7 percent are black or Hispanic
Posted by:
Joe Gibbs
()
Date: April 21, 2014 01:34PM
7dCCv Wrote:
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> Bureaucratic bullshit getting in the way of
> education. This is a magnet school for the
> smartest children. If blacks and hispanic
> students aren't well represented, it means they
> should work harder. It does not mean that we
> should admit them because there just aren't a fair
> amount of blacks and hispanics in the school.
>
> WHERE THE FUCK IS THE ACCOUNTABILITY HERE!?!? Why
> is this anyone else's problem besides the black
> and hispanic populations who apparently aren't
> studying hard enough to be admitted???
Racist.
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> Bureaucratic bullshit getting in the way of
> education. This is a magnet school for the
> smartest children. If blacks and hispanic
> students aren't well represented, it means they
> should work harder. It does not mean that we
> should admit them because there just aren't a fair
> amount of blacks and hispanics in the school.
>
> WHERE THE FUCK IS THE ACCOUNTABILITY HERE!?!? Why
> is this anyone else's problem besides the black
> and hispanic populations who apparently aren't
> studying hard enough to be admitted???
Racist.
Re: TJ admissions numbers expose continued racial disparity; Of 487 students admitted, 3.7 percent are black or Hispanic
Posted by:
JenG4
()
Date: April 21, 2014 01:48PM
Joe Gibbs Wrote:
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> 7dCCv Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Bureaucratic bullshit getting in the way of
> > education. This is a magnet school for the
> > smartest children. If blacks and hispanic
> > students aren't well represented, it means they
> > should work harder. It does not mean that we
> > should admit them because there just aren't a
> fair
> > amount of blacks and hispanics in the school.
> >
> > WHERE THE FUCK IS THE ACCOUNTABILITY HERE!?!?
> Why
> > is this anyone else's problem besides the black
> > and hispanic populations who apparently aren't
> > studying hard enough to be admitted???
>
>
> Racist.
Racist because he's holding people responsible for their own doing? I'm not a millionaire and other people are - whose problem is that besides mine?
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> 7dCCv Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Bureaucratic bullshit getting in the way of
> > education. This is a magnet school for the
> > smartest children. If blacks and hispanic
> > students aren't well represented, it means they
> > should work harder. It does not mean that we
> > should admit them because there just aren't a
> fair
> > amount of blacks and hispanics in the school.
> >
> > WHERE THE FUCK IS THE ACCOUNTABILITY HERE!?!?
> Why
> > is this anyone else's problem besides the black
> > and hispanic populations who apparently aren't
> > studying hard enough to be admitted???
>
>
> Racist.
Racist because he's holding people responsible for their own doing? I'm not a millionaire and other people are - whose problem is that besides mine?
Re: TJ admissions numbers expose continued racial disparity; Of 487 students admitted, 3.7 percent are black or Hispanic
Posted by:
Philip
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Date: April 21, 2014 02:07PM
Speaking as a Hispanic with a really close Asian friend. I remember the vast difference in my home requirements and his home requirements. I only had to study an hour after I got home; my friend John (Korean) had to study until dinner was prepared and then for an additional 2 hours after that. Pretty much 4-5 hours a day of study AFTER school. He also played the piano. The reason they're doing better than us isn't because we're stupid; it's because they know what it takes to make in in society, and they work towards that with hard work. Oh, and my friend John, makes a SHIT TON of money. I mean fuck you money.
Everyone is so concerned with the Latinos coming into this country when they should be worried about the Asians coming in. They're the ones taking all the lucrative jobs; and guess what, they deserve them.
Everyone is so concerned with the Latinos coming into this country when they should be worried about the Asians coming in. They're the ones taking all the lucrative jobs; and guess what, they deserve them.
Re: TJ admissions numbers expose continued racial disparity; Of 487 students admitted, 3.7 percent are black or Hispanic
Posted by:
Not a liberal...Can you tell?
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Date: April 21, 2014 02:09PM
Philip Wrote:
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> Speaking as a Hispanic with a really close Asian
> friend. I remember the vast difference in my home
> requirements and his home requirements. I only had
> to study an hour after I got home; my friend John
> (Korean) had to study until dinner was prepared
> and then for an additional 2 hours after that.
> Pretty much 4-5 hours a day of study AFTER school.
> He also played the piano. The reason they're doing
> better than us isn't because we're stupid; it's
> because they know what it takes to make in in
> society, and they work towards that with hard
> work. Oh, and my friend John, makes a SHIT TON of
> money. I mean fuck you money.
>
> Everyone is so concerned with the Latinos coming
> into this country when they should be worried
> about the Asians coming in. They're the ones
> taking all the lucrative jobs; and guess what,
> they deserve them.
Are you saying that the moral of this story is, "Hard work pays off"?
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> Speaking as a Hispanic with a really close Asian
> friend. I remember the vast difference in my home
> requirements and his home requirements. I only had
> to study an hour after I got home; my friend John
> (Korean) had to study until dinner was prepared
> and then for an additional 2 hours after that.
> Pretty much 4-5 hours a day of study AFTER school.
> He also played the piano. The reason they're doing
> better than us isn't because we're stupid; it's
> because they know what it takes to make in in
> society, and they work towards that with hard
> work. Oh, and my friend John, makes a SHIT TON of
> money. I mean fuck you money.
>
> Everyone is so concerned with the Latinos coming
> into this country when they should be worried
> about the Asians coming in. They're the ones
> taking all the lucrative jobs; and guess what,
> they deserve them.
Are you saying that the moral of this story is, "Hard work pays off"?
Re: TJ admissions numbers expose continued racial disparity; Of 487 students admitted, 3.7 percent are black or Hispanic
Posted by:
Philip
()
Date: April 21, 2014 02:13PM
Yea, pretty much. I've never understood the "free hand-out" thought process. Want something? Work for it.
Re: TJ admissions numbers expose continued racial disparity; Of 487 students admitted, 3.7 percent are black or Hispanic
Posted by:
Not a liberal...Can you tell?
()
Date: April 21, 2014 02:18PM
Philip Wrote:
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> Yea, pretty much. I've never understood the "free
> hand-out" thought process. Want something? Work
> for it.
Seems like a problem with self-discipline that spans all different races.
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> Yea, pretty much. I've never understood the "free
> hand-out" thought process. Want something? Work
> for it.
Seems like a problem with self-discipline that spans all different races.
Re: TJ admissions numbers expose continued racial disparity; Of 487 students admitted, 3.7 percent are black or Hispanic
Posted by:
nMxPM
()
Date: April 21, 2014 02:26PM
Accountability is the word everyone is looking for. It's fact that different cultures and races view education differently. Of course, those who don't take it as seriously are the ones raising their hands claiming things aren't fair. Can we all take a step back and see how ridiculous this equality argument always gets?
We live in a society where it is increasingly acceptable to be lazy and then just complain for what you want. It's miserable. Unfortunately for the leeches and bottom-feeders, nothing will improve. So enjoy your seat in the back, I'll continue to ignore you.
We live in a society where it is increasingly acceptable to be lazy and then just complain for what you want. It's miserable. Unfortunately for the leeches and bottom-feeders, nothing will improve. So enjoy your seat in the back, I'll continue to ignore you.
Re: TJ admissions numbers expose continued racial disparity; Of 487 students admitted, 3.7 percent are black or Hispanic
Posted by:
jdJpm
()
Date: April 21, 2014 02:57PM
OK, we'll increase the hispanic and black acceptance rates - as long as they perform to the same standards as everyone else, despite what color their skin is. I'll even hold the door open for them! Welcome to TJ!
Don't sully the reputation of the school just to serve your politically-correct, "everything has to be fair" agenda. Rules is rules, grow the fuck up.
Don't sully the reputation of the school just to serve your politically-correct, "everything has to be fair" agenda. Rules is rules, grow the fuck up.
Re: TJ admissions numbers expose continued racial disparity; Of 487 students admitted, 3.7 percent are black or Hispanic
Posted by:
overrated
()
Date: April 21, 2014 03:21PM
yawn who cares
all the Asians will stay in middle management bamboo ceiling anyone
to actually make big bucks its all about people skills education takes you to middle management sure its better than flipping burgers but its not the end all be all some people think it is
You think all these GS-15 SES and consultants got where they are because they were smart please lolz
all the Asians will stay in middle management bamboo ceiling anyone
to actually make big bucks its all about people skills education takes you to middle management sure its better than flipping burgers but its not the end all be all some people think it is
You think all these GS-15 SES and consultants got where they are because they were smart please lolz
Re: TJ admissions numbers expose continued racial disparity; Of 487 students admitted, 3.7 percent are black or Hispanic
Posted by:
mjs82
()
Date: April 21, 2014 04:30PM
so they should allow ANY dumb fuckstick into TJ... so then TJ just becomes another South Lakes...
Great, lets spread the stupidity around...
the kids and fmaily that spend the time to be smart, are deserving.
I hate the fact that they put quotas in place. IE you must have so many porch monkeys, som many camel jockeys, so many crackers, so many slopes, so many slant eyes...
how about, you want top go to TJ, you gotta be smart... and if that means its 100% slopes and slant eyes... so be it...
Great, lets spread the stupidity around...
the kids and fmaily that spend the time to be smart, are deserving.
I hate the fact that they put quotas in place. IE you must have so many porch monkeys, som many camel jockeys, so many crackers, so many slopes, so many slant eyes...
how about, you want top go to TJ, you gotta be smart... and if that means its 100% slopes and slant eyes... so be it...
Re: TJ admissions numbers expose continued racial disparity; Of 487 students admitted, 3.7 percent are black or Hispanic
Posted by:
phcPh
()
Date: April 21, 2014 04:52PM
mjs82 Wrote:
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>
> how about, you want top go to TJ, you gotta be
> smart... and if that means its 100% slopes and
> slant eyes... so be it...
But that wouldn't be faiiiirrrrr!! It's 2014 in Washington D.C. I can pull things out of my ass all day until I get what I want!
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>
> how about, you want top go to TJ, you gotta be
> smart... and if that means its 100% slopes and
> slant eyes... so be it...
But that wouldn't be faiiiirrrrr!! It's 2014 in Washington D.C. I can pull things out of my ass all day until I get what I want!
Re: TJ admissions numbers expose continued racial disparity; Of 487 students admitted, 3.7 percent are black or Hispanic
Posted by:
Thas Racith
()
Date: April 21, 2014 04:57PM
Re: TJ admissions numbers expose continued racial disparity; Of 487 students admitted, 3.7 percent are black or Hispanic
Posted by:
what race
()
Date: April 21, 2014 05:04PM
Is Hispanic?
Re: TJ admissions numbers expose continued racial disparity; Of 487 students admitted, 3.7 percent are black or Hispanic
Posted by:
NS 13
()
Date: April 21, 2014 05:32PM
Someone wrote a book titled The Bell Curve, very interesting read, IQ and Race.
Re: TJ admissions numbers expose continued racial disparity; Of 487 students admitted, 3.7 percent are black or Hispanic
Posted by:
mlk
()
Date: April 21, 2014 06:53PM
TJ should admit enough niggers that they can field a halfway decent football team. Who cares if they can read?
Big colleges have been doing this forever.
Big colleges have been doing this forever.
Re: TJ admissions numbers expose continued racial disparity; Of 487 students admitted, 3.7 percent are black or Hispanic
Posted by:
Too much focus on TJ
()
Date: April 21, 2014 06:59PM
"Blacks and hispanics aren't getting accepted into TJ. So let me guess, it's someone else's fault other than the blacks and hispanics. It's known that those cultures don't support education as much as other cultures - but again, that's someone else's fault."
Many of them do support education. However, they realize that "education" is much broader than what is going on in school. They also realize that life is short and happiness is not overrated. Have you ever met the Asians who have cognitive difficulties, but whose parents do all of things you mention and then the kids don't get into even a mediocre college (much less TJ)? They are not happy campers. In their countries they jump out of windows. I'm not saying that it isn't a great thing to put kids into Saturday school, after school school, TJ prep courses, etc. It can be great. I think the other kids who are bright, but don't go to TJ will be fine. They end up going to college, maturing, and getting ahead. People make it sound like going to TJ is the nirvana path. I'm sure it can be, but there are other paths people have taken and they have become successful.
Many of them do support education. However, they realize that "education" is much broader than what is going on in school. They also realize that life is short and happiness is not overrated. Have you ever met the Asians who have cognitive difficulties, but whose parents do all of things you mention and then the kids don't get into even a mediocre college (much less TJ)? They are not happy campers. In their countries they jump out of windows. I'm not saying that it isn't a great thing to put kids into Saturday school, after school school, TJ prep courses, etc. It can be great. I think the other kids who are bright, but don't go to TJ will be fine. They end up going to college, maturing, and getting ahead. People make it sound like going to TJ is the nirvana path. I'm sure it can be, but there are other paths people have taken and they have become successful.
Re: TJ admissions numbers expose continued racial disparity; Of 487 students admitted, 3.7 percent are black or Hispanic
Posted by:
TJ student
()
Date: April 21, 2014 07:07PM
Making the standards lower for certain races and skewing the results so that more make it in isn't making anything better, and it's not fair. The admissions process should be redone -- a lot of the new students coming in are struggling while there are plenty of students, even some who have placed in national competitions during middle school, who deserve to get the chance but were rejected.
Re: TJ admissions numbers expose continued racial disparity; Of 487 students admitted, 3.7 percent are black or Hispanic
Posted by:
KDnwh
()
Date: April 21, 2014 09:06PM
Too much of a focus on TJ? Of course, this is a statistic based strictly on TJ's admission stats by demographic.
Your points are all correct, there are plenty of great options and paths that don't include TJ. But again, this article is based on those who filed complaints because certain demographics aren't getting into the program. This school is based on identifying, separating and accepting the highest performers. It should be no surprise that there is no diversity at Thomas Jefferson.
Your points are all correct, there are plenty of great options and paths that don't include TJ. But again, this article is based on those who filed complaints because certain demographics aren't getting into the program. This school is based on identifying, separating and accepting the highest performers. It should be no surprise that there is no diversity at Thomas Jefferson.
Re: TJ admissions numbers expose continued racial disparity; Of 487 students admitted, 3.7 percent are black or Hispanic
Posted by:
NS 13
()
Date: April 21, 2014 09:09PM
TJ STUDENTS SHOULD STOP BEING PUSSIES, Protest. Do you want ignorant classmates or do you want to be the best? I remember Vietmanese boat kids kicking our ass back in the day at TJ, WAY BACK IN THE DAY.
Re: TJ admissions numbers expose continued racial disparity; Of 487 students admitted, 3.7 percent are black or Hispanic
Posted by:
CloseTJ
()
Date: April 21, 2014 09:24PM
It is time to stop putting public money in TJ. Let the H1Bs send their kids to school in India or China.
Re: TJ admissions numbers expose continued racial disparity; Of 487 students admitted, 3.7 percent are black or Hispanic
Posted by:
agreeded
()
Date: April 21, 2014 10:01PM
when you have entire industries and websites about moving to fairfax county just so your kid can go to tj there is a major problem
Re: TJ admissions numbers expose continued racial disparity; Of 487 students admitted, 3.7 percent are black or Hispanic
Posted by:
YEbt4
()
Date: April 21, 2014 10:32PM
CloseTJ Wrote:
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> It is time to stop putting public money in TJ.
> Let the H1Bs send their kids to school in India or
> China.
Loudoun County is about to cut $390k out of their budget used to bus about 200 kids to TJ. I think some agree with you.
Still, the point of this thread is that we have a magnet school that openly and purposely segregates based on performance and you still have people claiming it's not fair. The entire premise for the whole fucking school goes against diversity yet there are still shitheads out there that complain. Pulling the race card as a last resort and just because it's there.
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> It is time to stop putting public money in TJ.
> Let the H1Bs send their kids to school in India or
> China.
Loudoun County is about to cut $390k out of their budget used to bus about 200 kids to TJ. I think some agree with you.
Still, the point of this thread is that we have a magnet school that openly and purposely segregates based on performance and you still have people claiming it's not fair. The entire premise for the whole fucking school goes against diversity yet there are still shitheads out there that complain. Pulling the race card as a last resort and just because it's there.
Re: TJ admissions numbers expose continued racial disparity; Of 487 students admitted, 3.7 percent are black or Hispanic
Posted by:
DJdCH
()
Date: April 21, 2014 10:45PM
This battle is fought all the time around college admissions. These kids are in 8th grade, the only thing they can associate with is how they did with the entrance exams. Nobody's skewing results or discriminating - the asians are just smart as fuck so they dominate. It's not even whites that are the majority and people are still pissed. Let the Asians enjoy their reign of TJ, it's how it shakes out. Deal with it bitches!
Re: TJ admissions numbers expose continued racial disparity; Of 487 students admitted, 3.7 percent are black or Hispanic
Posted by:
Tire_tracks
()
Date: April 21, 2014 10:53PM
Asians are no smarter than any other ethnicity but they might value education a bit more. However, one thing that is missing from this report is that schools receive funding and other perks based on student performances. Hence accreditation and funding from the state and federal government. There is a bias when there are a lot of Asian students in a school because statistically (at least over the last 20 years) they perform well so the assumption is that having more Asian students will make ensure the school will do well overall. Also, I know many Black and Hispanic youths that simply didn't want to go to TJ.
Re: TJ admissions numbers expose continued racial disparity; Of 487 students admitted, 3.7 percent are black or Hispanic
Posted by:
Time to Face It
()
Date: April 21, 2014 11:12PM
Why is it that people cannot face the FACT that Blacks, on average, are mentally inferior to other races, and that Asian are on average superior? It's not racism. It's genetics, plain and simple, as are the superior physical capabilities of Blacks vs other races.
Re: TJ admissions numbers expose continued racial disparity; Of 487 students admitted, 3.7 percent are black or Hispanic
Posted by:
LaSapa
()
Date: April 22, 2014 08:30PM
I can tell you what a big part of the problem is. My daughter is Hispanic and I got tons of letters from TJ's diversity group asking her to apply. She is in the AAP program and tests very high in math. She participates (and wins) in Science Olympiad. Pi Day is a big deal to her. I am NOT a "helicopter" or "tiger mom". She comes by her math skills on her own. She takes Honors geometry in 8th grade (2 levels above "average") she would have taken geometry in the summer if I would have let her. She wanted to go to TJ. It is the perfect fit for my super smart, super STEM brained kid. She will not be going because I wasn't paying attention and the schools don't care. The "Tiger" and the "Helicopter" Moms all knew exactly what to do. Their kids are in prep classes for years. I missed the date to apply because well frankly, I was busy with life The school sent NO E-MAILS to parents, No letters, nothing to remind us of the date. When I tried to get her signed up, it was too late. Her middle school informed me that it was my daughter's responsibility to know when it was. They said they told the kids on the announcements. My daughter has P.E. first thing in the morning and can't hear the announcements 3 out of 5 days. She was devastated to have lost the chance to apply. My husband and I tried to call and get her application in (it was prior to the testing) and we were told, tough luck, she can try for the empty slots next year. At her Science Olympiad meeting, I asked her friends how they knew about the TJ date and they all said their parents had signed them up and they never heard the announcement either. So the answer is this, the parents that know to pay attention are paying attention. The teachers and schools aren't reaching out to the kids that belong there. The attitude is the kids who belong there are the kids that have parents that are all about their kids getting in. The "normal" parents whether we are latino or not are always going to be behind the helicopter parents. She will try next year and what ever happens, happens.
Re: TJ admissions numbers expose continued racial disparity; Of 487 students admitted, 3.7 percent are black or Hispanic
Posted by:
Truth of the matter
()
Date: April 22, 2014 08:39PM
Time to Face It Wrote:
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> Why is it that people cannot face the FACT that
> Blacks, on average, are mentally inferior to other
> races, and that Asian are on average superior?
> It's not racism. It's genetics, plain and simple,
> as are the superior physical capabilities of
> Blacks vs other races.
Yes, Just look at what happens at " black family day" at the Washington zoo. The violent savages end up shooting one another.
The Black Race in general are violent and inferior to other races. The majority are just plain Ignorant.
Call me a racist, but open your eyes. Look at Baltimore, DC, Detroit. all black operated, Look what happened.
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> Why is it that people cannot face the FACT that
> Blacks, on average, are mentally inferior to other
> races, and that Asian are on average superior?
> It's not racism. It's genetics, plain and simple,
> as are the superior physical capabilities of
> Blacks vs other races.
Yes, Just look at what happens at " black family day" at the Washington zoo. The violent savages end up shooting one another.
The Black Race in general are violent and inferior to other races. The majority are just plain Ignorant.
Call me a racist, but open your eyes. Look at Baltimore, DC, Detroit. all black operated, Look what happened.
Re: TJ admissions numbers expose continued racial disparity; Of 487 students admitted, 3.7 percent are black or Hispanic
Posted by:
GuatMama
()
Date: April 22, 2014 09:10PM
To LaSapa...The "normal" parents whether we are latino or not are always going to be behind the helicopter parents.
Your reasoning makes no sense to me. So not being informed makes you a 'normal'parent and anyone who is proactive and actually does some preparation is a helicopter parent? You admit in the first part of your post that you received all kinds of letters from the diversity group about TJ…..so you're aware of the opportunity but are too 'busy with life' (as most of us are) to find out more about it. Good luck to you and your child….a lot can be said for showing some initiative.
Your reasoning makes no sense to me. So not being informed makes you a 'normal'parent and anyone who is proactive and actually does some preparation is a helicopter parent? You admit in the first part of your post that you received all kinds of letters from the diversity group about TJ…..so you're aware of the opportunity but are too 'busy with life' (as most of us are) to find out more about it. Good luck to you and your child….a lot can be said for showing some initiative.
Re: TJ admissions numbers expose continued racial disparity; Of 487 students admitted, 3.7 percent are black or Hispanic
Posted by:
newgatedenizen
()
Date: April 22, 2014 09:38PM
LaSapa Wrote:
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> missed the date to apply because well frankly, I
> was busy with life The school sent NO E-MAILS to
> parents, No letters, nothing to remind us of the
> date. When I tried to get her signed up, it was
> too late. Her middle school informed me that it
> was my daughter's responsibility to know when it
> was. They said they told the kids on the
> announcements. My daughter has P.E. first thing in
> the morning and can't hear the announcements 3 out
> of 5 days. She was devastated to have lost the
> chance to apply. My husband and I tried to call
> and get her application in (it was prior to the
> testing) and we were told, tough luck, she can try
> for the empty slots next year. At her Science
> Olympiad meeting, I asked her friends how they
> knew about the TJ date and they all said their
> parents had signed them up and they never heard
> the announcement either. So the answer is this,
> the parents that know to pay attention are paying
> attention. The teachers and schools aren't
> reaching out to the kids that belong there. The
> attitude is the kids who belong there are the kids
> that have parents that are all about their kids
> getting in. The "normal" parents whether we are
> latino or not are always going to be behind the
> helicopter parents. She will try next year and
> what ever happens, happens.
Your experience is actually quite common. A lot of parents who don't have experience with specific aspects of the public school system often have to research and find these sort of things out on their own. To someone who went to public schools here (or whose parents did) - it is hard to understand but from the perspective of an outsider it can be confusing.
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> missed the date to apply because well frankly, I
> was busy with life The school sent NO E-MAILS to
> parents, No letters, nothing to remind us of the
> date. When I tried to get her signed up, it was
> too late. Her middle school informed me that it
> was my daughter's responsibility to know when it
> was. They said they told the kids on the
> announcements. My daughter has P.E. first thing in
> the morning and can't hear the announcements 3 out
> of 5 days. She was devastated to have lost the
> chance to apply. My husband and I tried to call
> and get her application in (it was prior to the
> testing) and we were told, tough luck, she can try
> for the empty slots next year. At her Science
> Olympiad meeting, I asked her friends how they
> knew about the TJ date and they all said their
> parents had signed them up and they never heard
> the announcement either. So the answer is this,
> the parents that know to pay attention are paying
> attention. The teachers and schools aren't
> reaching out to the kids that belong there. The
> attitude is the kids who belong there are the kids
> that have parents that are all about their kids
> getting in. The "normal" parents whether we are
> latino or not are always going to be behind the
> helicopter parents. She will try next year and
> what ever happens, happens.
Your experience is actually quite common. A lot of parents who don't have experience with specific aspects of the public school system often have to research and find these sort of things out on their own. To someone who went to public schools here (or whose parents did) - it is hard to understand but from the perspective of an outsider it can be confusing.
Re: TJ admissions numbers expose continued racial disparity; Of 487 students admitted, 3.7 percent are black or Hispanic
Posted by:
Problem is not Asian Americans
()
Date: April 22, 2014 09:51PM
Its the non-American Asian kids that got in. As in how many of the approx 320 Asians in the freshman class have never gone to school in the US before they took the test and got admitted to TJ, or maybe they flew in for 1 year prior to stay with relatives.
I think there should be a requirement that you have gone to US schools for at least 2 years before you can apply to TJ.
My daughter did not get in (she made the final round) and the only thing that bugs me about it is that she probably got beat out by some kid who has never gone to school before in the United States..
I think there should be a requirement that you have gone to US schools for at least 2 years before you can apply to TJ.
My daughter did not get in (she made the final round) and the only thing that bugs me about it is that she probably got beat out by some kid who has never gone to school before in the United States..
Re: TJ admissions numbers expose continued racial disparity; Of 487 students admitted, 3.7 percent are black or Hispanic
Posted by:
LaSapa
()
Date: April 22, 2014 09:55PM
Although early on we did attend a meeting about how to apply and I was aware of the month the testing was in, I was not aware of the date of the application. I thought it coincided with the testing. This was a misunderstanding on my part and my fault. I should have been more diligent and not waited to hear from the middle school. When I knew the test date was approaching, I went to sign her up but it was too late. Yes, I made an error in not checking on the site. My child should have also checked but my point is that the middle schools can send an e-mail to the parents and not just assume, if your kid should go, you'll know. This might make the pool a little bigger. Perhaps especially the AAP kids and Advanced Math kids should receive an e-mail when the date is approaching. Is that really too much to ask? Don't punish the kids because their parents don't know to be on top of things.
Re: TJ admissions numbers expose continued racial disparity; Of 487 students admitted, 3.7 percent are black or Hispanic
Posted by:
Idiot Savant
()
Date: April 22, 2014 10:22PM
Problem is not Asian Americans Wrote:
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> My daughter did not get in (she made the final
> round) and the only thing that bugs me about it is
> that she probably got beat out by some kid who has
> never gone to school before in the United States..
Celebrate Diversity..How do you like the hope and change now?
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> My daughter did not get in (she made the final
> round) and the only thing that bugs me about it is
> that she probably got beat out by some kid who has
> never gone to school before in the United States..
Celebrate Diversity..How do you like the hope and change now?
Re: TJ admissions numbers expose continued racial disparity; Of 487 students admitted, 3.7 percent are black or Hispanic
Posted by:
keepin it real
()
Date: April 22, 2014 11:27PM
Liberals think that equality means equal result...
In reality equality means equal opportunity. Everybody started off as the same, some
got in, some didn't, it's all based on you own ability. And that is what people
don't want to admit.
In reality equality means equal opportunity. Everybody started off as the same, some
got in, some didn't, it's all based on you own ability. And that is what people
don't want to admit.
Re: TJ admissions numbers expose continued racial disparity; Of 487 students admitted, 3.7 percent are black or Hispanic
Posted by:
WTHoly F
()
Date: April 23, 2014 03:45AM
@Former Teacher = Former Clod. You are such an ignorant asshole. What The Holy Fuck (as in my handle) does it matter if someone makes a minor slip of the fingers and mistypes? You are so FUCKING, FUCKING, FUCKING clueless about what is important in a reasonable dialogue in this forum , and make absolutely no contribution!!!!! It's nitpicking people like you who are definitely sitting in you parents' basements with no job, no future, nothing! (If you are consciously just being a troll just to stir things up that is another thing ---- i.e., the norm for FFU)
Re: TJ admissions numbers expose continued racial disparity; Of 487 students admitted, 3.7 percent are black or Hispanic
Posted by:
Herpy Derpy
()
Date: April 23, 2014 06:34AM
Black and hispanic kids are just dumb.
/discussion
/discussion
Re: TJ admissions numbers expose continued racial disparity; Of 487 students admitted, 3.7 percent are black or Hispanic
Posted by:
What is happening
()
Date: April 23, 2014 06:42AM
The Chinese and Korean upper class (in China and Korea) are well aware of TJ. They know that is the pathway for them to MIT, Stanford, Harvard, Yale etc. The white US elite have their traditional prep schools to get into the Ivy League in which non-whites do not fare well. The Chinese and Koreans use and pay relatives and contacts to house their children here while they attend TJ. Your kids are competing with them and their money.
Re: TJ admissions numbers expose continued racial disparity; Of 487 students admitted, 3.7 percent are black or Hispanic
Posted by:
libs hate children
()
Date: April 23, 2014 08:16AM
Why do libs even let such a public school exist? You pay the same taxes as those other parents. Why do their kids get to go to a better school? All ffx kids should be forced to go to the same "dumbing down of America" atheist breeding ground public schools. The playing field needs to be leveled. Does Obama know such a school exists? This is unfair.
Re: TJ admissions numbers expose continued racial disparity; Of 487 students admitted, 3.7 percent are black or Hispanic
Posted by:
True The Vote !
()
Date: April 23, 2014 09:32AM
Fun fact about TJ, Macaca boy and Sarvis went to TJ.
Re: TJ admissions numbers expose continued racial disparity; Of 487 students admitted, 3.7 percent are black or Hispanic
Posted by:
truth again
()
Date: April 23, 2014 09:41AM
To the Hispanic mom/troll
don't worry your daughter will be fine get into a fine college and be successful
TJ is not the end all be all many people think it is
If anything because she is going to a "normal" high school she will get more attention than having to compete with a pool of people that are similar
It will be important for you to be on the ball about minority outreaches that elite colleges do if that's a goal for you again personally going to UVA vs IVY has a very small effect in terms of overall happiness in life and when you factor in cost its almost a no brainer to go to UVA
If trolling get off my lawn
don't worry your daughter will be fine get into a fine college and be successful
TJ is not the end all be all many people think it is
If anything because she is going to a "normal" high school she will get more attention than having to compete with a pool of people that are similar
It will be important for you to be on the ball about minority outreaches that elite colleges do if that's a goal for you again personally going to UVA vs IVY has a very small effect in terms of overall happiness in life and when you factor in cost its almost a no brainer to go to UVA
If trolling get off my lawn
Re: TJ admissions numbers expose continued racial disparity; Of 487 students admitted, 3.7 percent are black or Hispanic
Posted by:
EGvpM
()
Date: April 23, 2014 09:59AM
LaSapa Wrote:
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> The school sent NO E-MAILS to
> parents, No letters, nothing to remind us of the
> date. When I tried to get her signed up, it was
> too late. Her middle school informed me that it
> was my daughter's responsibility to know when it
> was.
You're explaining just how blatantly you're blaming someone else for your problems. The whole reason for this post. Take some accountability and stop shifting the blame to others. You screwed up as a parent because you were "too busy with life". Get your priorities straight or stop bitching.
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> The school sent NO E-MAILS to
> parents, No letters, nothing to remind us of the
> date. When I tried to get her signed up, it was
> too late. Her middle school informed me that it
> was my daughter's responsibility to know when it
> was.
You're explaining just how blatantly you're blaming someone else for your problems. The whole reason for this post. Take some accountability and stop shifting the blame to others. You screwed up as a parent because you were "too busy with life". Get your priorities straight or stop bitching.
Re: TJ admissions numbers expose continued racial disparity; Of 487 students admitted, 3.7 percent are black or Hispanic
Posted by:
confused
()
Date: April 23, 2014 12:46PM
LaSapa Wrote:
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> I can tell you what a big part of the problem is.
> My daughter is Hispanic and I got tons of letters
> from TJ's diversity group asking her to apply. She
> is in the AAP program and tests very high in math.
> She participates (and wins) in Science Olympiad.
> Pi Day is a big deal to her. I am NOT a
> "helicopter" or "tiger mom". She comes by her math
> skills on her own. She takes Honors geometry in
> 8th grade (2 levels above "average") she would
> have taken geometry in the summer if I would have
> let her. She wanted to go to TJ. It is the perfect
> fit for my super smart, super STEM brained kid.
> She will not be going because I wasn't paying
> attention and the schools don't care. The "Tiger"
> and the "Helicopter" Moms all knew exactly what to
> do. Their kids are in prep classes for years. I
> missed the date to apply because well frankly, I
> was busy with life The school sent NO E-MAILS to
> parents, No letters, nothing to remind us of the
> date. When I tried to get her signed up, it was
> too late. Her middle school informed me that it
> was my daughter's responsibility to know when it
> was. They said they told the kids on the
> announcements. My daughter has P.E. first thing in
> the morning and can't hear the announcements 3 out
> of 5 days. She was devastated to have lost the
> chance to apply. My husband and I tried to call
> and get her application in (it was prior to the
> testing) and we were told, tough luck, she can try
> for the empty slots next year. At her Science
> Olympiad meeting, I asked her friends how they
> knew about the TJ date and they all said their
> parents had signed them up and they never heard
> the announcement either. So the answer is this,
> the parents that know to pay attention are paying
> attention. The teachers and schools aren't
> reaching out to the kids that belong there. The
> attitude is the kids who belong there are the kids
> that have parents that are all about their kids
> getting in. The "normal" parents whether we are
> latino or not are always going to be behind the
> helicopter parents. She will try next year and
> what ever happens, happens.
If you got tons of letters inviting your daughter to apply to TJ, why didn't you simply pick up the phone and call TJ or get on the internet and look up when the application deadline was? THAT LETTER WAS YOUR CLUE TO GET OFF YOUR ASS AND LOOK UP INFORMATION ON THE APPLICATION PROCESS AND DEADLINE!!!
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> I can tell you what a big part of the problem is.
> My daughter is Hispanic and I got tons of letters
> from TJ's diversity group asking her to apply. She
> is in the AAP program and tests very high in math.
> She participates (and wins) in Science Olympiad.
> Pi Day is a big deal to her. I am NOT a
> "helicopter" or "tiger mom". She comes by her math
> skills on her own. She takes Honors geometry in
> 8th grade (2 levels above "average") she would
> have taken geometry in the summer if I would have
> let her. She wanted to go to TJ. It is the perfect
> fit for my super smart, super STEM brained kid.
> She will not be going because I wasn't paying
> attention and the schools don't care. The "Tiger"
> and the "Helicopter" Moms all knew exactly what to
> do. Their kids are in prep classes for years. I
> missed the date to apply because well frankly, I
> was busy with life The school sent NO E-MAILS to
> parents, No letters, nothing to remind us of the
> date. When I tried to get her signed up, it was
> too late. Her middle school informed me that it
> was my daughter's responsibility to know when it
> was. They said they told the kids on the
> announcements. My daughter has P.E. first thing in
> the morning and can't hear the announcements 3 out
> of 5 days. She was devastated to have lost the
> chance to apply. My husband and I tried to call
> and get her application in (it was prior to the
> testing) and we were told, tough luck, she can try
> for the empty slots next year. At her Science
> Olympiad meeting, I asked her friends how they
> knew about the TJ date and they all said their
> parents had signed them up and they never heard
> the announcement either. So the answer is this,
> the parents that know to pay attention are paying
> attention. The teachers and schools aren't
> reaching out to the kids that belong there. The
> attitude is the kids who belong there are the kids
> that have parents that are all about their kids
> getting in. The "normal" parents whether we are
> latino or not are always going to be behind the
> helicopter parents. She will try next year and
> what ever happens, happens.
If you got tons of letters inviting your daughter to apply to TJ, why didn't you simply pick up the phone and call TJ or get on the internet and look up when the application deadline was? THAT LETTER WAS YOUR CLUE TO GET OFF YOUR ASS AND LOOK UP INFORMATION ON THE APPLICATION PROCESS AND DEADLINE!!!
Re: TJ admissions numbers expose continued racial disparity; Of 487 students admitted, 3.7 percent are black or Hispanic
Posted by:
thisisajokeright
()
Date: April 23, 2014 02:09PM
LOL and 99.63% are Asian.
Re: TJ admissions numbers expose continued racial disparity; Of 487 students admitted, 3.7 percent are black or Hispanic
Posted by:
Negroidspic
()
Date: April 23, 2014 02:51PM
Again, why would the mentally retarded go to a magnet school?
Re: TJ admissions numbers expose continued racial disparity; Of 487 students admitted, 3.7 percent are black or Hispanic
Posted by:
Gifted Test
()
Date: April 23, 2014 04:57PM
If you're black and can tie your shoes, TJ should let you in.
Re: TJ admissions numbers expose continued racial disparity; Of 487 students admitted, 3.7 percent are black or Hispanic
Posted by:
Indians at TJ
()
Date: April 23, 2014 08:56PM
What is happening Wrote:
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> The Chinese and Korean upper class (in China and
> Korea) are well aware of TJ. They know that is
> the pathway for them to MIT, Stanford, Harvard,
> Yale etc. The white US elite have their
> traditional prep schools to get into the Ivy
> League in which non-whites do not fare well. The
> Chinese and Koreans use and pay relatives and
> contacts to house their children here while they
> attend TJ. Your kids are competing with them and
> their money.
Why is it always the Koreans and Chinese? My child has more Indian friends at TJ than Korean and Chinese ones combined.
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> The Chinese and Korean upper class (in China and
> Korea) are well aware of TJ. They know that is
> the pathway for them to MIT, Stanford, Harvard,
> Yale etc. The white US elite have their
> traditional prep schools to get into the Ivy
> League in which non-whites do not fare well. The
> Chinese and Koreans use and pay relatives and
> contacts to house their children here while they
> attend TJ. Your kids are competing with them and
> their money.
Why is it always the Koreans and Chinese? My child has more Indian friends at TJ than Korean and Chinese ones combined.
Re: TJ admissions numbers expose continued racial disparity; Of 487 students admitted, 3.7 percent are black or Hispanic
Posted by:
Doh
()
Date: April 24, 2014 07:24AM
Gifted Test Wrote:
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> If you're black and can tie your shoes, TJ should
> let you in.
How about if you can buckle a belt and keep your pants somewhere above your knees?
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> If you're black and can tie your shoes, TJ should
> let you in.
How about if you can buckle a belt and keep your pants somewhere above your knees?
Re: TJ admissions numbers expose continued racial disparity; Of 487 students admitted, 3.7 percent are black or Hispanic
Posted by:
What is happening...
()
Date: April 24, 2014 08:47AM
Indians at TJ Wrote:
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> Why is it always the Koreans and Chinese? My
> child has more Indian friends at TJ than Korean
> and Chinese ones combined.
I'm sure there are many Indians at TJ but I don't know if Indian parents in India are doing this with their kids, too. Being connected with the East Asian community, I know what Koreans and Chinese are up to, though.
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> Why is it always the Koreans and Chinese? My
> child has more Indian friends at TJ than Korean
> and Chinese ones combined.
I'm sure there are many Indians at TJ but I don't know if Indian parents in India are doing this with their kids, too. Being connected with the East Asian community, I know what Koreans and Chinese are up to, though.
Re: TJ admissions numbers expose continued racial disparity; Of 487 students admitted, 3.7 percent are black or Hispanic
Posted by:
tweak
()
Date: April 24, 2014 08:59AM
Joe Gibbs Wrote:
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> 7dCCv Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Bureaucratic bullshit getting in the way of
> > education. This is a magnet school for the
> > smartest children. If blacks and hispanic
> > students aren't well represented, it means they
> > should work harder. It does not mean that we
> > should admit them because there just aren't a
> fair
> > amount of blacks and hispanics in the school.
> >
> > WHERE THE FUCK IS THE ACCOUNTABILITY HERE!?!?
> Why
> > is this anyone else's problem besides the black
> > and hispanic populations who apparently aren't
> > studying hard enough to be admitted???
>
>
> Racist.
Apologist.
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> 7dCCv Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Bureaucratic bullshit getting in the way of
> > education. This is a magnet school for the
> > smartest children. If blacks and hispanic
> > students aren't well represented, it means they
> > should work harder. It does not mean that we
> > should admit them because there just aren't a
> fair
> > amount of blacks and hispanics in the school.
> >
> > WHERE THE FUCK IS THE ACCOUNTABILITY HERE!?!?
> Why
> > is this anyone else's problem besides the black
> > and hispanic populations who apparently aren't
> > studying hard enough to be admitted???
>
>
> Racist.
Apologist.
Re: TJ admissions numbers expose continued racial disparity; Of 487 students admitted, 3.7 percent are black or Hispanic
Posted by:
Saggy McSaggerson
()
Date: April 24, 2014 10:25AM
Doh Wrote:
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> Gifted Test Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > If you're black and can tie your shoes, TJ
> should
> > let you in.
>
>
> How about if you can buckle a belt and keep your
> pants somewhere above your knees?
And there's the challenge stops them, ai'aight.
.
.
.
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> Gifted Test Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > If you're black and can tie your shoes, TJ
> should
> > let you in.
>
>
> How about if you can buckle a belt and keep your
> pants somewhere above your knees?
And there's the challenge stops them, ai'aight.
.
.
.
Re: TJ admissions numbers expose continued racial disparity; Of 487 students admitted, 3.7 percent are black or Hispanic
Posted by:
NPxKH
()
Date: April 24, 2014 12:05PM
Also look at family structures and stability. Spike Lee commented in 1994 that Koreans were more financially successful in Brooklyn than blacks in large part because they had a more stable family structure. I don't know what the demographic numbers say, but it is possible that black and hispanic families in Fairfax County, and other jurisdictions that are allowed to send students to TJ, lack the stability of newer-settled Asian families.
So, if more diversity at TJ would be a good thing (and I think it would), then work on stabilizing black and hispanic families in Fairfax County and the surrounding areas. Figure out what is contributing to failure, and fight those factors. Offer free, quality child care, preschool, kindergarten to everyone. If TJ prep classes make such a big difference in TJ admissions, and black/hispanic students aren't taking these prep classes, then provide free TJ prep classes. Same with math and science extras. Maybe recruit older students to tutor younger students, starting early.
It isn't that hard a problem to tackle, it's just expensive. It would be good if everyone were as paranoid about education as Asians generally are, and had the time and money to spend to cram towards the goal of a TJ admission. Still an open question whether it would be a good thing to throw your children's youth totally at that goal. Some people still value lessons learned outside the schoolroom, including social skills. Don't forget that Asians aren't perfect and in many ways, TJ isn't the ideal education.
So, if more diversity at TJ would be a good thing (and I think it would), then work on stabilizing black and hispanic families in Fairfax County and the surrounding areas. Figure out what is contributing to failure, and fight those factors. Offer free, quality child care, preschool, kindergarten to everyone. If TJ prep classes make such a big difference in TJ admissions, and black/hispanic students aren't taking these prep classes, then provide free TJ prep classes. Same with math and science extras. Maybe recruit older students to tutor younger students, starting early.
It isn't that hard a problem to tackle, it's just expensive. It would be good if everyone were as paranoid about education as Asians generally are, and had the time and money to spend to cram towards the goal of a TJ admission. Still an open question whether it would be a good thing to throw your children's youth totally at that goal. Some people still value lessons learned outside the schoolroom, including social skills. Don't forget that Asians aren't perfect and in many ways, TJ isn't the ideal education.
Re: TJ admissions numbers expose continued racial disparity; Of 487 students admitted, 3.7 percent are black or Hispanic
Posted by:
ExFLc
()
Date: April 24, 2014 12:39PM
NPxKH Wrote:
> It isn't that hard a problem to tackle, it's just
> expensive. It would be good if everyone were as
> paranoid about education as Asians generally are,
> and had the time and money to spend to cram
> towards the goal of a TJ admission.
I agree BUT it's not like Asian families are "given" the time and money to prioritize education. It's a conscious decision that they stay motivated by and carry through with. Just because blacks and hispanics don't prioritize the same way does not mean things should be free for them. If they're upset about they're acceptance rates, that is their problem to fix.
Society is moving towards a model where nothing is expected from the helpless and a reliable way to get something is to be lazy and expect others to provide for you. I'm not even a Republican but this lack of accountability that seems to be getting worse is very frustrating.
> It isn't that hard a problem to tackle, it's just
> expensive. It would be good if everyone were as
> paranoid about education as Asians generally are,
> and had the time and money to spend to cram
> towards the goal of a TJ admission.
I agree BUT it's not like Asian families are "given" the time and money to prioritize education. It's a conscious decision that they stay motivated by and carry through with. Just because blacks and hispanics don't prioritize the same way does not mean things should be free for them. If they're upset about they're acceptance rates, that is their problem to fix.
Society is moving towards a model where nothing is expected from the helpless and a reliable way to get something is to be lazy and expect others to provide for you. I'm not even a Republican but this lack of accountability that seems to be getting worse is very frustrating.
Re: TJ admissions numbers expose continued racial disparity; Of 487 students admitted, 3.7 percent are black or Hispanic
Posted by:
I actually agree
()
Date: April 24, 2014 01:48PM
and I am a Republican
we can spend money now or deal with the consequences later
If we don't teach kids of any race how to read they are going to cost society 7 times as much later in life being unproductive/having issues with the law/ requiring all sorts of public assistance etc
but the problem is there has been socialeconomic achievement gap for DECADES in Fairfax County. Now that the ESL population is growing so large people are finally paying attention to it
So FCPS no more money until you show me how you will actually fix the achievement gap
we can spend money now or deal with the consequences later
If we don't teach kids of any race how to read they are going to cost society 7 times as much later in life being unproductive/having issues with the law/ requiring all sorts of public assistance etc
but the problem is there has been socialeconomic achievement gap for DECADES in Fairfax County. Now that the ESL population is growing so large people are finally paying attention to it
So FCPS no more money until you show me how you will actually fix the achievement gap
Re: TJ admissions numbers expose continued racial disparity; Of 487 students admitted, 3.7 percent are black or Hispanic
Posted by:
MtV
()
Date: April 24, 2014 02:10PM
Re: Former Teacher = former clod
Big deal that Former Teacher made a typo, which is very common online. Your own response would be more clear with the addition of a comma or two.
Big deal that Former Teacher made a typo, which is very common online. Your own response would be more clear with the addition of a comma or two.
Re: TJ admissions numbers expose continued racial disparity; Of 487 students admitted, 3.7 percent are black or Hispanic
Posted by:
jamesharold
()
Date: April 24, 2014 02:57PM
Most of the black and spanish kids in my area don't care about education. Most can't read or even speak english. I don't feel bad they are not getting pity taken into a school they can't academically survive in.
Studies have proven that affirmative action in colleges don't work, the kids can't handle the work load and usually drop out. It would be the same thing at TJ.
Studies have proven that affirmative action in colleges don't work, the kids can't handle the work load and usually drop out. It would be the same thing at TJ.
Re: TJ admissions numbers expose continued racial disparity; Of 487 students admitted, 3.7 percent are black or Hispanic
Posted by:
ez solution
()
Date: April 24, 2014 11:02PM
Why not skip the charade and just hand out PhDs and MDs to every black kid? Everyone know that none are earned anyway. Thanks to affirmative action, I discount all educational quals of blacks when hiring. Also note that you never see wealthy blacks going to a black doctor, clearly for the same reason.
Re: TJ admissions numbers expose continued racial disparity; Of 487 students admitted, 3.7 percent are black or Hispanic
Posted by:
Richard Marin
()
Date: April 25, 2014 06:22AM
jamesharold Wrote:
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> Most of the black and spanish kids in my area
> don't care about education.
Mexican-Americans love education
They take Spanish in High School
And get a "B"
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> Most of the black and spanish kids in my area
> don't care about education.
Mexican-Americans love education
They take Spanish in High School
And get a "B"
Re: TJ admissions numbers expose continued racial disparity; Of 487 students admitted, 3.7 percent are black or Hispanic
Posted by:
IfHisMomCanDoOtherCanToo
()
Date: April 26, 2014 03:54PM
Read the early life of Ben Carson. If all other black and Latino parents do the same as Ben's mom, their kids will not just make to TJ, but any colleges (even Ivy) they want to go.
http://www.biography.com/people/ben-carson-475422#early-education&awesm=~oCznSPBFNvMfBn
http://www.biography.com/people/ben-carson-475422#early-education&awesm=~oCznSPBFNvMfBn
Re: TJ admissions numbers expose continued racial disparity; Of 487 students admitted, 3.7 percent are black or Hispanic
Posted by:
a hag
()
Date: May 05, 2014 11:58PM
Does this mean Asians are smart than whites
Re: TJ admissions numbers expose continued racial disparity; Of 487 students admitted, 3.7 percent are black or Hispanic
Posted by:
awasw
()
Date: May 06, 2014 09:13AM
IfHisMomCanDoOtherCanToo Wrote:
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> Read the early life of Ben Carson. If all other
> black and Latino parents do the same as Ben's mom,
> their kids will not just make to TJ, but any
> colleges (even Ivy) they want to go.
>
> http://www.biography.com/people/ben-carson-475422#
> early-education&awesm=~oCznSPBFNvMfBn
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> Read the early life of Ben Carson. If all other
> black and Latino parents do the same as Ben's mom,
> their kids will not just make to TJ, but any
> colleges (even Ivy) they want to go.
>
> http://www.biography.com/people/ben-carson-475422#
> early-education&awesm=~oCznSPBFNvMfBn
Re: TJ admissions numbers expose continued racial disparity; Of 487 students admitted, 3.7 percent are black or Hispanic
Posted by:
billybob
()
Date: May 06, 2014 09:26AM
Why would you rob your child of his/her childhood by sending them to a bootcamp for 4 years? There should be a work/life balance.
Re: TJ admissions numbers expose continued racial disparity; Of 487 students admitted, 3.7 percent are black or Hispanic
Posted by:
fu tj
()
Date: May 06, 2014 12:38PM
Why would you rob your child of his/her childhood by sending them to a bootcamp for 4 years? There should be a work/life balance.
Re: TJ admissions numbers expose continued racial disparity; Of 487 students admitted, 3.7 percent are black or Hispanic
Posted by:
Sam_fcps
()
Date: January 09, 2016 11:40AM
I think I am left (not liberal); knowing this categorization words are somewhat nebulous.I am from Asian Indian origin.
Largely in agreement with NPxKH.
I have a young daughter in AAP in FCPS.
I hope she will go to a good school / college someday (not sure).
I generally value education , competition.
So, my comments are not at at all addressing the comments which express doubt about the benefit of getting into TJ.
There are by-birth , starting disadvantages among Blacks and Hispanics.The disadvantage is in terms of material wealth as well as lack of ambition , role model , culture , family structure, affinity towards higher education.Even for a similar economic background , I bet an average kid of Indian origin would do far better academically than a Black or Hispanic kid simply because of existing culture.The emphasis is on the word "existing". There is nothing cast in stone that Black and Hispanic families cannot value education as much as we do.But it cannot be solved on the output side as much it can be solved on the input side.
I know it is easier said than done.I know it is expensive and the moment we will be asked to pitch in more money many of us will say "no more taxes" till you show result and this problem will continue.
Largely in agreement with NPxKH.
I have a young daughter in AAP in FCPS.
I hope she will go to a good school / college someday (not sure).
I generally value education , competition.
So, my comments are not at at all addressing the comments which express doubt about the benefit of getting into TJ.
There are by-birth , starting disadvantages among Blacks and Hispanics.The disadvantage is in terms of material wealth as well as lack of ambition , role model , culture , family structure, affinity towards higher education.Even for a similar economic background , I bet an average kid of Indian origin would do far better academically than a Black or Hispanic kid simply because of existing culture.The emphasis is on the word "existing". There is nothing cast in stone that Black and Hispanic families cannot value education as much as we do.But it cannot be solved on the output side as much it can be solved on the input side.
I know it is easier said than done.I know it is expensive and the moment we will be asked to pitch in more money many of us will say "no more taxes" till you show result and this problem will continue.
Re: TJ admissions numbers expose continued racial disparity; Of 487 students admitted, 3.7 percent are black or Hispanic
Posted by:
Disadvantaged Blacks
()
Date: January 09, 2016 11:58AM
Blacks are disadvantaged because their IQs tend to border on the retarded. You may not like the facts of genetics, but that doesn't change them!
Re: TJ admissions numbers expose continued racial disparity; Of 487 students admitted, 3.7 percent are black or Hispanic
Posted by:
4pm Jan. 15th
()
Date: January 09, 2016 01:15PM
announcements for the 1st round testing 4pm Jan. 15th this week. Good thing Asians arent prone to suicide...
Re: TJ admissions numbers expose continued racial disparity; Of 487 students admitted, 3.7 percent are black or Hispanic
Posted by:
i'drather
()
Date: January 09, 2016 04:29PM
If you look at the list of notables from this school, you will see that none of them are notable in Math & Sciences. All the notable graduates from this school are screenwriters, poets and an actor. What a joke this school is, what a waste of money. Millions are spent on these privileged kids, they get to college and discover the arts are so much more fulfilling. Ha!
Re: TJ admissions numbers expose continued racial disparity; Of 487 students admitted, 3.7 percent are black or Hispanic
Posted by:
Your weave
()
Date: January 09, 2016 04:56PM
I went to TJ for the sports.