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The system protecting our children is broken
Posted by:
Concerned Parents
()
Date: April 18, 2014 08:34PM
The system protecting our children is broken
http://www.insidenova.com/opinion/editorial-the-system-protecting-our-children-is-broken/article_d215049a-c637-11e3-9e85-0019bb2963f4.html
The people tasked with protecting our children are failing miserably.
They failed Lexie Glover back in 2009, when her adoptive mom dumped her in a freezing stream near the McCoart building to die after years of abuse and neglect.
They failed a class of toddlers at Minnieland at the Glen, who authorities say suffered six months of abuse before someone finally came forward last fall.
And they failed 8-year-old Ralisha Rudd, who disappeared from a Washington homeless shelter and was gone for weeks before anyone thought to look for her.
Our system of social workers, teachers and child-care workers is supposed to identify children in danger, and move to protect them before the unthinkable happens.
Clearly the system is broken.
In January 2009, after the body of 13-year-old disabled girl Lexie Glover was found in a creek in mid-Prince William County, it came to light that teachers, social workers and even the police had received many reports of abuse and neglect regarding the girl. Yet no one did anything to save her.
Her adoptive mother, Alfreedia Glover, is now serving a 26-year prison sentence for killing Lexie, and several police officers and social workers were disciplined for mishandling the case.
In the disturbing disappearance of Ralisha Rudd, her mother didn’t report her missing, school officials didn’t start asking why she wasn’t at school until she’d been gone for weeks, and social services had investigated the family many times, but had never taken the girl away, according to the Washington Post.
Rudd was last seen with a maintenance man at the homeless shelter where she stayed. That man’s wife was found shot dead in a hotel in Maryland last month. And last week, he was found dead in Washington. Ralisha remains missing, and police hold little hope she’ll be found alive.
In the Minnieland case, the Virginia Department of Social Services investigation revealed that other staff at Minnieland at the Glen witnessed two teachers hitting, biting and otherwise mistreating a class of toddlers for almost six months. No one did anything to stop it, even though state law mandates that child-care workers report any suspected abuse or neglect. Finally, another teacher took her concerns to Minnieland’s corporate office and the state began an investigation.
But it appears state social services failed here, too. They published a lengthy report about the violations they found – including at least two incidents that left toddlers injured – but they never reported their findings to police, though they are required to by state law. Police began investigating the allegations after a story was published in Prince William Today.
The sad case of another Prince William County child who fell through the cracks prompted the state law requiring social workers to share with police findings of their investigations. In 1993, 2-year-old Donnell Robinson was beaten to death by his mother’s boyfriend in Woodbridge. The family had been investigated by social services for suspected child abuse, but the toddler wasn’t removed from the home. After his death, police said they were unaware of the abuse allegations and would have investigated if social services had disclosed what they knew. Social workers cited confidentiality rules for withholding the information.
And that’s a common thread in the cases of Donnell, Lexie, Ralisha and the toddlers at Minnieland. No one is sharing what they know, and the agencies that are supposed to protect children are protecting themselves from scrutiny instead.
Case in point: We asked the state Department of Social Services why its office didn’t notify law enforcement of what they found at Minnieland. The answer? In an email, a spokeswoman said she couldn’t answer due to confidentiality rules.
http://www.insidenova.com/opinion/editorial-the-system-protecting-our-children-is-broken/article_d215049a-c637-11e3-9e85-0019bb2963f4.html
The people tasked with protecting our children are failing miserably.
They failed Lexie Glover back in 2009, when her adoptive mom dumped her in a freezing stream near the McCoart building to die after years of abuse and neglect.
They failed a class of toddlers at Minnieland at the Glen, who authorities say suffered six months of abuse before someone finally came forward last fall.
And they failed 8-year-old Ralisha Rudd, who disappeared from a Washington homeless shelter and was gone for weeks before anyone thought to look for her.
Our system of social workers, teachers and child-care workers is supposed to identify children in danger, and move to protect them before the unthinkable happens.
Clearly the system is broken.
In January 2009, after the body of 13-year-old disabled girl Lexie Glover was found in a creek in mid-Prince William County, it came to light that teachers, social workers and even the police had received many reports of abuse and neglect regarding the girl. Yet no one did anything to save her.
Her adoptive mother, Alfreedia Glover, is now serving a 26-year prison sentence for killing Lexie, and several police officers and social workers were disciplined for mishandling the case.
In the disturbing disappearance of Ralisha Rudd, her mother didn’t report her missing, school officials didn’t start asking why she wasn’t at school until she’d been gone for weeks, and social services had investigated the family many times, but had never taken the girl away, according to the Washington Post.
Rudd was last seen with a maintenance man at the homeless shelter where she stayed. That man’s wife was found shot dead in a hotel in Maryland last month. And last week, he was found dead in Washington. Ralisha remains missing, and police hold little hope she’ll be found alive.
In the Minnieland case, the Virginia Department of Social Services investigation revealed that other staff at Minnieland at the Glen witnessed two teachers hitting, biting and otherwise mistreating a class of toddlers for almost six months. No one did anything to stop it, even though state law mandates that child-care workers report any suspected abuse or neglect. Finally, another teacher took her concerns to Minnieland’s corporate office and the state began an investigation.
But it appears state social services failed here, too. They published a lengthy report about the violations they found – including at least two incidents that left toddlers injured – but they never reported their findings to police, though they are required to by state law. Police began investigating the allegations after a story was published in Prince William Today.
The sad case of another Prince William County child who fell through the cracks prompted the state law requiring social workers to share with police findings of their investigations. In 1993, 2-year-old Donnell Robinson was beaten to death by his mother’s boyfriend in Woodbridge. The family had been investigated by social services for suspected child abuse, but the toddler wasn’t removed from the home. After his death, police said they were unaware of the abuse allegations and would have investigated if social services had disclosed what they knew. Social workers cited confidentiality rules for withholding the information.
And that’s a common thread in the cases of Donnell, Lexie, Ralisha and the toddlers at Minnieland. No one is sharing what they know, and the agencies that are supposed to protect children are protecting themselves from scrutiny instead.
Case in point: We asked the state Department of Social Services why its office didn’t notify law enforcement of what they found at Minnieland. The answer? In an email, a spokeswoman said she couldn’t answer due to confidentiality rules.
Re: The system protecting our children is broken
Posted by:
What?
()
Date: April 18, 2014 08:38PM
The problem with the system is summed up very neatly, albeit inadvertantly,in the first line of the editorial.
"The people tasked with protecting our children are failing miserably."
My spouse and I are responsible for the protection o.f our children. Our children do NOT belong to the state or the Prince William County Department of Social Services (thank God.) Those organizations are responsible for the protection and welfare of children who have no one else to look out for them. And yes, they are failing miserably.
The fact that Minnieland knew about the abuse, and didn't immediately go to the police, is nauseating. Shame on them.
As for poorly-trained, underpaid childcare workers...what else need be said? All you need to be hired by Minnieland (for first-line child care jobs) is no criminal record and a pulse. Just who do you think you're going to get for $9.50 an hour? Mary Poppins?
"The people tasked with protecting our children are failing miserably."
My spouse and I are responsible for the protection o.f our children. Our children do NOT belong to the state or the Prince William County Department of Social Services (thank God.) Those organizations are responsible for the protection and welfare of children who have no one else to look out for them. And yes, they are failing miserably.
The fact that Minnieland knew about the abuse, and didn't immediately go to the police, is nauseating. Shame on them.
As for poorly-trained, underpaid childcare workers...what else need be said? All you need to be hired by Minnieland (for first-line child care jobs) is no criminal record and a pulse. Just who do you think you're going to get for $9.50 an hour? Mary Poppins?
Re: The system protecting our children is broken
Posted by:
What system?
()
Date: April 18, 2014 09:45PM
I watch my children. That's why they are safe and happy. Other people's children are not my or our children.
Re: The system protecting our children is broken
Posted by:
James Crack11
()
Date: April 18, 2014 10:01PM
Maybe people need to quit breeding if they feel they need to rely on a "system" to properly raise their children. Stupid fucking Liberals...
Re: The system protecting our children is broken
Posted by:
SF LIberal
()
Date: April 18, 2014 10:52PM
James Crack11 Wrote:
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> Maybe people need to quit breeding if they feel
> they need to rely on a "system" to properly raise
> their children. Stupid fucking Liberals...
Another all-out endorsement of abortion, I see. Tell us again how you're not an ignorant right-wing fucktard.
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> Maybe people need to quit breeding if they feel
> they need to rely on a "system" to properly raise
> their children. Stupid fucking Liberals...
Another all-out endorsement of abortion, I see. Tell us again how you're not an ignorant right-wing fucktard.
Re: The system protecting our children is broken
Posted by:
Ideafairy
()
Date: April 18, 2014 11:00PM
SF LIberal Wrote:
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> James Crack11 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Maybe people need to quit breeding if they feel
> > they need to rely on a "system" to properly
> raise
> > their children. Stupid fucking Liberals...
>
> Another all-out endorsement of abortion, I see.
> Tell us again how you're not an ignorant
> right-wing fucktard.
Wear a condom, fuck-face, and you wont need to worry about abortion. Better yet, abstain from breeding altogether. I know, its hard for you liberals to use logic or think for yourselves.
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> James Crack11 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Maybe people need to quit breeding if they feel
> > they need to rely on a "system" to properly
> raise
> > their children. Stupid fucking Liberals...
>
> Another all-out endorsement of abortion, I see.
> Tell us again how you're not an ignorant
> right-wing fucktard.
Wear a condom, fuck-face, and you wont need to worry about abortion. Better yet, abstain from breeding altogether. I know, its hard for you liberals to use logic or think for yourselves.
Re: The system protecting our children is broken
Posted by:
SF Liberal
()
Date: April 18, 2014 11:37PM
Ideafairy Wrote:
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> Wear a condom, fuck-face, and you wont need to
> worry about abortion. Better yet, abstain from
> breeding altogether. I know, its hard for you
> liberals to use logic or think for yourselves.
Tell your Crack-head friend. asswipe. Pretty sure he thinks rich people create jobs and Social Security is a ponzi scheme too. Fucking clueless idiots.
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> Wear a condom, fuck-face, and you wont need to
> worry about abortion. Better yet, abstain from
> breeding altogether. I know, its hard for you
> liberals to use logic or think for yourselves.
Tell your Crack-head friend. asswipe. Pretty sure he thinks rich people create jobs and Social Security is a ponzi scheme too. Fucking clueless idiots.
Re: The system protecting our children is broken
Posted by:
More Partisan Hackery on FFXU
()
Date: April 18, 2014 11:54PM
I'd say the display of willful ignorance in this thread in order to advance one's own particular political agenda is shocking, but since it's Fairfax Underground, it's really not.
Of course it is the parents' responsibility to protect their children. However, when the parent fails to fulfill that responsibility, as in the cases of Lexie Glover and Relisha Rudd, does that mean that the child must therefore endure neglect, abuse and possibly even death? Should there be no safety net to protect these children?
And as far as people breeding, what is your solution to prevent them from doing so? People like fucking, and children are a natural consequence of that act. Are you endorsing a system of mandatory birth control coupled with forced sterilization and abortion to prevent these children from being born?
Of course it is the parents' responsibility to protect their children. However, when the parent fails to fulfill that responsibility, as in the cases of Lexie Glover and Relisha Rudd, does that mean that the child must therefore endure neglect, abuse and possibly even death? Should there be no safety net to protect these children?
And as far as people breeding, what is your solution to prevent them from doing so? People like fucking, and children are a natural consequence of that act. Are you endorsing a system of mandatory birth control coupled with forced sterilization and abortion to prevent these children from being born?
Re: The system protecting our children is broken
Posted by:
Doug Stanhope
()
Date: April 19, 2014 01:24AM
This country is clearly fucked. No laws will fix the future choices of the majority of ignorants who live, breathe, vote, and don't give a fuck. The smart middle class majority of people are not breeding; not because they do not want to, but because this society is an unfit one to raise children successfully. In the meantime, the scum of society are breeding aimlessly out of sheer ignorance and in order to add claims to their welfare. The first 15 minutes of the movie, "Idiocracy" explains it all.
Re: The system protecting our children is broken
Posted by:
Reston Conservative
()
Date: April 19, 2014 07:15AM
I'm pretty sure SF Liberal is just some troll, however: Some rich people do create jobs (ala the Koch brothers). Others, like George Soros (who earned his money from arbitrage), don't create jobs, but merely support left-wing hate groups.
As for Social Security, of course it's a Ponzi scheme, and it will continue until some conservative genius fixes it.
As for Social Security, of course it's a Ponzi scheme, and it will continue until some conservative genius fixes it.
Re: The system protecting our children is broken
Posted by:
Dribbler
()
Date: April 19, 2014 07:17AM
SF Liberal Wrote:
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> Tell your Crack-head friend. asswipe. Pretty sure
> he thinks rich people create jobs and Social
> Security is a ponzi scheme too. Fucking clueless
> idiots.
This turd thinks poor people creat jobs. What a mindless puppet of the left.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
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> Tell your Crack-head friend. asswipe. Pretty sure
> he thinks rich people create jobs and Social
> Security is a ponzi scheme too. Fucking clueless
> idiots.
This turd thinks poor people creat jobs. What a mindless puppet of the left.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
Re: The system protecting our children is broken
Posted by:
SF Liberal
()
Date: April 19, 2014 07:58AM
More Partisan Hackery on FFXU Wrote:
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> I'd say the display of willful ignorance in this
> thread in order to advance one's own particular
> political agenda is shocking, but since it's
> Fairfax Underground, it's really not.
Happens every time one of these uber-ignorant right-wing troll-bots gets hold of a keyboard. Too bad Terminix doesn't have a program to deal with them.
> Of course it is the parents' responsibility to
> protect their children.
To the best of their capabilities. But as uber-ignorant right-wing troll-bots so regularly demonstrate, capabilities vary from one individual to another, and in the case of some uber-ignorant right-wing troll-bots they may not exist at all.
> And as far as people breeding, what is your
> solution to prevent them from doing so? People
> like fucking, and children are a natural
> consequence of that act. Are you endorsing a
> system of mandatory birth control coupled with
> forced sterilization and abortion to prevent these
> children from being born?
Sounds kind of Chinese, doesn't it. But don't expect answers from any of these asswipes. They are miles away still from understanding any of the problems. Solving them is something completely out of their ballpark.
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> I'd say the display of willful ignorance in this
> thread in order to advance one's own particular
> political agenda is shocking, but since it's
> Fairfax Underground, it's really not.
Happens every time one of these uber-ignorant right-wing troll-bots gets hold of a keyboard. Too bad Terminix doesn't have a program to deal with them.
> Of course it is the parents' responsibility to
> protect their children.
To the best of their capabilities. But as uber-ignorant right-wing troll-bots so regularly demonstrate, capabilities vary from one individual to another, and in the case of some uber-ignorant right-wing troll-bots they may not exist at all.
> And as far as people breeding, what is your
> solution to prevent them from doing so? People
> like fucking, and children are a natural
> consequence of that act. Are you endorsing a
> system of mandatory birth control coupled with
> forced sterilization and abortion to prevent these
> children from being born?
Sounds kind of Chinese, doesn't it. But don't expect answers from any of these asswipes. They are miles away still from understanding any of the problems. Solving them is something completely out of their ballpark.
Re: The system protecting our children is broken
Posted by:
SF Liberal
()
Date: April 19, 2014 08:03AM
Doug Stanhope Wrote:
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> This country is clearly fucked. No laws will fix
> the future choices of the majority of ignorants
> who live, breathe, vote, and don't give a fuck.
> The smart middle class majority of people are not
> breeding; not because they do not want to, but
> because this society is an unfit one to raise
> children successfully. In the meantime, the scum
> of society are breeding aimlessly out of sheer
> ignorance and in order to add claims to their
> welfare. The first 15 minutes of the movie,
> "Idiocracy" explains it all.
Actually, US fertility rates have been at 90-year lows. This is one reason why lots more immigratioon from Mexico and beyond is flat-out guaranteed over the next several decades. But the rates that have been declining have been those for Blacks, Hispanics, and other minorities. White folks haven't really contributed to the declines at all.
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> This country is clearly fucked. No laws will fix
> the future choices of the majority of ignorants
> who live, breathe, vote, and don't give a fuck.
> The smart middle class majority of people are not
> breeding; not because they do not want to, but
> because this society is an unfit one to raise
> children successfully. In the meantime, the scum
> of society are breeding aimlessly out of sheer
> ignorance and in order to add claims to their
> welfare. The first 15 minutes of the movie,
> "Idiocracy" explains it all.
Actually, US fertility rates have been at 90-year lows. This is one reason why lots more immigratioon from Mexico and beyond is flat-out guaranteed over the next several decades. But the rates that have been declining have been those for Blacks, Hispanics, and other minorities. White folks haven't really contributed to the declines at all.
Re: The system protecting our children is broken
Posted by:
SF Liberal
()
Date: April 19, 2014 08:30AM
Reston Conservative Wrote:
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> I'm pretty sure SF Liberal is just some troll,
> however: Some rich people do create jobs (ala the
> Koch brothers). Others, like George Soros (who
> earned his money from arbitrage), don't create
> jobs, but merely support left-wing hate groups.
Go take whAtever course comes before Econ 101, you mindless pinhead. Demand creates jobs, and even with the disastrously out-of-kilter wealth and income distributions that we have allowed to plague this seemingly god-forsaken country, it is still the non-wealthy who create the vast majority of demand. (You might need to take a French refresher as well, by the way.)
> As for Social Security, of course it's a Ponzi
> scheme, and it will continue until some
> conservative genius fixes it.
What a colossal dumbfuck. Ponzi schemes fail because they lack access to a stream of income. If Charles Ponzi had actually been able to make money from arbitrage in international postal coupons, his company might be listed today on the NYSE. But he couldn't. So his scheme fell apart in a matter of months. SS has meanwhile been rolling right along for nigh on to 80 years, in part because it is plugged into perhaps the largest and most dependable stream of income in the world -- US payrolls. The chances of its ever collapsing for lack of income are nigh on to non-existent. Social Security is of course a social insurance program and operates as any insurance program does. It pays current benefits out of current premiums, salts some away as reserves for the future, and keeps the remainder to fund things like huge executive salaries and bonuses and the construction of giant towers that alter the skyline of every even modest-sized American city. No wait. SS doesn't do any of that last part. It's just private sector insurance companies with all their efficiency and ingenuity who do that sort of thing.
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> I'm pretty sure SF Liberal is just some troll,
> however: Some rich people do create jobs (ala the
> Koch brothers). Others, like George Soros (who
> earned his money from arbitrage), don't create
> jobs, but merely support left-wing hate groups.
Go take whAtever course comes before Econ 101, you mindless pinhead. Demand creates jobs, and even with the disastrously out-of-kilter wealth and income distributions that we have allowed to plague this seemingly god-forsaken country, it is still the non-wealthy who create the vast majority of demand. (You might need to take a French refresher as well, by the way.)
> As for Social Security, of course it's a Ponzi
> scheme, and it will continue until some
> conservative genius fixes it.
What a colossal dumbfuck. Ponzi schemes fail because they lack access to a stream of income. If Charles Ponzi had actually been able to make money from arbitrage in international postal coupons, his company might be listed today on the NYSE. But he couldn't. So his scheme fell apart in a matter of months. SS has meanwhile been rolling right along for nigh on to 80 years, in part because it is plugged into perhaps the largest and most dependable stream of income in the world -- US payrolls. The chances of its ever collapsing for lack of income are nigh on to non-existent. Social Security is of course a social insurance program and operates as any insurance program does. It pays current benefits out of current premiums, salts some away as reserves for the future, and keeps the remainder to fund things like huge executive salaries and bonuses and the construction of giant towers that alter the skyline of every even modest-sized American city. No wait. SS doesn't do any of that last part. It's just private sector insurance companies with all their efficiency and ingenuity who do that sort of thing.
Re: The system protecting our children is broken
Posted by:
SF Dribbler
()
Date: April 19, 2014 08:40AM
Dribbler Wrote:
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> This turd thinks poor people creat jobs. What a
> mindless puppet of the left.
> Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
Poor and middle income people create the demand that creates jobs. Because wealthy people spend their money so much more slowly than those who are less fortunate, diverting a dollar from a non-wealthy person to a wealthy person is a means to reduce demand and thereby to reduce jobs. This is why the Bushie Tax Cuts for the Rich were such a colossal failure and why his famous corporate profits-driven jobless recovery from the Lesser Bush Recession was --- jobless. Obviously, you know nothing at all about any of this. YOU are among those who are truly laughable here, what with being nothing but a staggering mindless dumbfuck and all.
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> This turd thinks poor people creat jobs. What a
> mindless puppet of the left.
> Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
Poor and middle income people create the demand that creates jobs. Because wealthy people spend their money so much more slowly than those who are less fortunate, diverting a dollar from a non-wealthy person to a wealthy person is a means to reduce demand and thereby to reduce jobs. This is why the Bushie Tax Cuts for the Rich were such a colossal failure and why his famous corporate profits-driven jobless recovery from the Lesser Bush Recession was --- jobless. Obviously, you know nothing at all about any of this. YOU are among those who are truly laughable here, what with being nothing but a staggering mindless dumbfuck and all.
Re: The system protecting our children is broken
Posted by:
Incurable brain disease
()
Date: April 19, 2014 09:53AM
SF Dribbler Wrote:
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> Dribbler Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > This turd thinks poor people creat jobs. What a
> > mindless puppet of the left.
> >
> Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
> .
>
> Poor and middle income people create the demand
> that creates jobs. Because wealthy people spend
> their money so much more slowly than those who are
> less fortunate, diverting a dollar from a
> non-wealthy person to a wealthy person is a means
> to reduce demand and thereby to reduce jobs. This
> is why the Bushie Tax Cuts for the Rich were such
> a colossal failure and why his famous corporate
> profits-driven jobless recovery from the Lesser
> Bush Recession was --- jobless. Obviously, you
> know nothing at all about any of this. YOU are
> among those who are truly laughable here, what
> with being nothing but a staggering mindless
> dumbfuck and all.
You're stupidity is not surprising, you are a liberal. Here's a little lesson that might be tough for you to follow, but it's free and you libs love free stuff:
Consumer demand alone does not create jobs. An entrepreneur (sorry about the big words, but I warned you that you might not be able to follow the lesson) puts his capital at risk and starts a company with the idea of fulfilling consumer demand of one or more goods and/or services. That business owner - risking the loss of some or all of his/her life savings invested in the company - will hire employees to perform services for the company in the fulfillment of the perceived consumer demand.
So hopefully you can now see, my feeble minded friend, that consumer demand does not create jobs nor does it hire people. I hope your brain didn't get too injured untwisting, but no pain no gain.
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> Dribbler Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > This turd thinks poor people creat jobs. What a
> > mindless puppet of the left.
> >
> Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
> .
>
> Poor and middle income people create the demand
> that creates jobs. Because wealthy people spend
> their money so much more slowly than those who are
> less fortunate, diverting a dollar from a
> non-wealthy person to a wealthy person is a means
> to reduce demand and thereby to reduce jobs. This
> is why the Bushie Tax Cuts for the Rich were such
> a colossal failure and why his famous corporate
> profits-driven jobless recovery from the Lesser
> Bush Recession was --- jobless. Obviously, you
> know nothing at all about any of this. YOU are
> among those who are truly laughable here, what
> with being nothing but a staggering mindless
> dumbfuck and all.
You're stupidity is not surprising, you are a liberal. Here's a little lesson that might be tough for you to follow, but it's free and you libs love free stuff:
Consumer demand alone does not create jobs. An entrepreneur (sorry about the big words, but I warned you that you might not be able to follow the lesson) puts his capital at risk and starts a company with the idea of fulfilling consumer demand of one or more goods and/or services. That business owner - risking the loss of some or all of his/her life savings invested in the company - will hire employees to perform services for the company in the fulfillment of the perceived consumer demand.
So hopefully you can now see, my feeble minded friend, that consumer demand does not create jobs nor does it hire people. I hope your brain didn't get too injured untwisting, but no pain no gain.
Re: The system protecting our children is broken
Posted by:
Ha ha
()
Date: April 19, 2014 11:35AM
Incurable brain disease Wrote:
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> SF Dribbler Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Dribbler Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > This turd thinks poor people creat jobs. What
> a
> > > mindless puppet of the left.
> > >
> >
> Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
>
> > .
> >
> > Poor and middle income people create the demand
> > that creates jobs. Because wealthy people
> spend
> > their money so much more slowly than those who
> are
> > less fortunate, diverting a dollar from a
> > non-wealthy person to a wealthy person is a
> means
> > to reduce demand and thereby to reduce jobs.
> This
> > is why the Bushie Tax Cuts for the Rich were
> such
> > a colossal failure and why his famous corporate
> > profits-driven jobless recovery from the Lesser
> > Bush Recession was --- jobless. Obviously, you
> > know nothing at all about any of this. YOU are
> > among those who are truly laughable here, what
> > with being nothing but a staggering mindless
> > dumbfuck and all.
>
> You're stupidity is not surprising, you are a
> liberal. Here's a little lesson that might be
> tough for you to follow, but it's free and you
> libs love free stuff:
>
> Consumer demand alone does not create jobs. An
> entrepreneur (sorry about the big words, but I
> warned you that you might not be able to follow
> the lesson) puts his capital at risk and starts a
> company with the idea of fulfilling consumer
> demand of one or more goods and/or services. That
> business owner - risking the loss of some or all
> of his/her life savings invested in the company -
> will hire employees to perform services for the
> company in the fulfillment of the perceived
> consumer demand.
>
> So hopefully you can now see, my feeble minded
> friend, that consumer demand does not create jobs
> nor does it hire people. I hope your brain didn't
> get too injured untwisting, but no pain no gain.
SF, he kind of schooled you there.
Anyways, back to the original topic. The "system" for protecting abandoned kids is run by (you guessed it) liberal government workers that don't give two shits.
Is it fucked up? Sure it is. But parents need to take responsibility. Its not the government's place to make sure every child hasn't been sold by their fucked up parent. The government doesn't have hose kind of resources, especially while we're already paying for so many other things like failed websites, failed solar companies, failed pensions, tuition for illegal immigrants, etc. Remember - elections have consequences.
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> SF Dribbler Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Dribbler Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > This turd thinks poor people creat jobs. What
> a
> > > mindless puppet of the left.
> > >
> >
> Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
>
> > .
> >
> > Poor and middle income people create the demand
> > that creates jobs. Because wealthy people
> spend
> > their money so much more slowly than those who
> are
> > less fortunate, diverting a dollar from a
> > non-wealthy person to a wealthy person is a
> means
> > to reduce demand and thereby to reduce jobs.
> This
> > is why the Bushie Tax Cuts for the Rich were
> such
> > a colossal failure and why his famous corporate
> > profits-driven jobless recovery from the Lesser
> > Bush Recession was --- jobless. Obviously, you
> > know nothing at all about any of this. YOU are
> > among those who are truly laughable here, what
> > with being nothing but a staggering mindless
> > dumbfuck and all.
>
> You're stupidity is not surprising, you are a
> liberal. Here's a little lesson that might be
> tough for you to follow, but it's free and you
> libs love free stuff:
>
> Consumer demand alone does not create jobs. An
> entrepreneur (sorry about the big words, but I
> warned you that you might not be able to follow
> the lesson) puts his capital at risk and starts a
> company with the idea of fulfilling consumer
> demand of one or more goods and/or services. That
> business owner - risking the loss of some or all
> of his/her life savings invested in the company -
> will hire employees to perform services for the
> company in the fulfillment of the perceived
> consumer demand.
>
> So hopefully you can now see, my feeble minded
> friend, that consumer demand does not create jobs
> nor does it hire people. I hope your brain didn't
> get too injured untwisting, but no pain no gain.
SF, he kind of schooled you there.
Anyways, back to the original topic. The "system" for protecting abandoned kids is run by (you guessed it) liberal government workers that don't give two shits.
Is it fucked up? Sure it is. But parents need to take responsibility. Its not the government's place to make sure every child hasn't been sold by their fucked up parent. The government doesn't have hose kind of resources, especially while we're already paying for so many other things like failed websites, failed solar companies, failed pensions, tuition for illegal immigrants, etc. Remember - elections have consequences.
Re: The system protecting our children is broken
Posted by:
SF Liberal
()
Date: April 20, 2014 09:44AM
Incurable brain disease Wrote:
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> You're stupidity is not surprising, you are a
> liberal. Here's a little lesson that might be
> tough for you to follow, but it's free and you
> libs love free stuff:
Stupid ignorant right-wing fucktard. Your moron citation claims that demand alone does not create jobs, then promptly admits that your holy fucking asshole entrepreneurs are only trying to respond to what again? Oh yeah...DEMAND, you fucking shit-for-brains jerkwad. NO DEMAND = NO JOBS. Get that kindergarten-level fact through your abysmally fucked up head, you dithering dumbass. No competent entrepreneur in the world adds jobs until he is convinced that somewhere a market exists in which DEMAND is sufficient for him to sell the marginal product expected from those new jobs at a profit. Got that, you completely clueless asswipe?
And while I'm at it here, your feeble fly-by-night small business sector is principally a bunch of worthless failures. 30% of new small businesses fail within two years. 50% fail within five years. But with our generous corporate welfare system, we bail these losers out and pass the tab on to everyone else. Then we tell them to write up a new business plan and try again. Then we lend them the money to gm out and fail yet again. Happy, happy, joy, joy. All this over and over again crash-and-burn is why small businesses are in fact the great engine of unemployment in this economy. The simple fact of the matter is that of the roughly 28 million small businesses in this country, more than 95% contribute a combined NOTHING to the economy at all. Nada, zip, zero. The few that do make a contrbution tend not to be so new and not to be so small. These are the few -- the very few -- niche-finders who actually have come up with some new plan or process that lets them experience a few breakthrough years. Then they typically fade into the background once again.
You of course are not aware of any of this because you are nothing but one more useless, worthless, know-nothing, scum-sucking, shit-swallowing, right-wing dumbfuck and asshole. Congratulations, fucktard.
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> You're stupidity is not surprising, you are a
> liberal. Here's a little lesson that might be
> tough for you to follow, but it's free and you
> libs love free stuff:
Stupid ignorant right-wing fucktard. Your moron citation claims that demand alone does not create jobs, then promptly admits that your holy fucking asshole entrepreneurs are only trying to respond to what again? Oh yeah...DEMAND, you fucking shit-for-brains jerkwad. NO DEMAND = NO JOBS. Get that kindergarten-level fact through your abysmally fucked up head, you dithering dumbass. No competent entrepreneur in the world adds jobs until he is convinced that somewhere a market exists in which DEMAND is sufficient for him to sell the marginal product expected from those new jobs at a profit. Got that, you completely clueless asswipe?
And while I'm at it here, your feeble fly-by-night small business sector is principally a bunch of worthless failures. 30% of new small businesses fail within two years. 50% fail within five years. But with our generous corporate welfare system, we bail these losers out and pass the tab on to everyone else. Then we tell them to write up a new business plan and try again. Then we lend them the money to gm out and fail yet again. Happy, happy, joy, joy. All this over and over again crash-and-burn is why small businesses are in fact the great engine of unemployment in this economy. The simple fact of the matter is that of the roughly 28 million small businesses in this country, more than 95% contribute a combined NOTHING to the economy at all. Nada, zip, zero. The few that do make a contrbution tend not to be so new and not to be so small. These are the few -- the very few -- niche-finders who actually have come up with some new plan or process that lets them experience a few breakthrough years. Then they typically fade into the background once again.
You of course are not aware of any of this because you are nothing but one more useless, worthless, know-nothing, scum-sucking, shit-swallowing, right-wing dumbfuck and asshole. Congratulations, fucktard.
Re: The system protecting our children is broken
Posted by:
libs hate America
()
Date: April 20, 2014 09:50AM
Blah, blah, blah. Facts are facts. Liberals are passionate about making it legal to murder their own species. Then for whatever reason some of these barbarians have kids. Then they pay other people to raise them because they don't love them and don't give a shit about them. Then, of course, they complain about the outcome.
God forbid you mess with an eagles nest though.
God forbid you mess with an eagles nest though.
Re: The system protecting our children is broken
Posted by:
jpUEV
()
Date: April 20, 2014 10:12AM
The fall of our society, when morals are replaced by government policies.
Re: The system protecting our children is broken
Posted by:
SF Liberal
()
Date: April 20, 2014 10:59AM
Ha ha Wrote:
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> SF, he kind of schooled you there.
Kind of shows how much YOU know, deosn't it. You did all your econ larnin' at FOX News U and the Mises Institute, didn't you small-fry? Maybe pull the plug on all that propaganda slop and venture out into the real world one day. You'll find that things are not at all as they are portrayed in the cartoon world of right-wing fantasyland.
> Anyways, back to the original topic. The "system"
> for protecting abandoned kids is run by (you
> guessed it) liberal government workers that don't
> give two shits.
Really? Government workers are all liberals? From my experience (which is pretty obviously much greater than yours), government at all levels is politically not much different from anywhere else. There are people from across the spectrum. You may have swallowed yet another worthless load of right-wing propaganda here. Dumbfucks tend to do that a lot, you know. Particularly the colossal ones.
> Is it fucked up? Sure it is. But parents need to
> take responsibility. Its not the government's
> place to make sure every child hasn't been sold by
> their fucked up parent. The government doesn't have
> those kind of resources, especially while we're
> already paying for so many other things like failed
> websites, failed solar companies, failed pensions,
> tuition for illegal immigrants, etc.
> Remember - elections have consequences.
There are also consequences to being a miserably failed intellect, many of which you as a seemingly irredeemable imbecile and dyed-in-the-wool dumbfuck are inevitably bound to suffer at some point. Child welfare programs exist in the public sector for the same reason that so many other programs do -- the fucking private sector does an absolutely for-shit job at them. The representatives that we collectively have put in charge have agreed that the private sector situation is so dire and bleak that we collectively have no choice but to step in and clean up the worst of the child welfare messes in Aisle-5 that we individually make but completely fail to address. Only disturbed fucktards and outright sociopaths are apt to disagree with such notions. Of course, one or the other of those groups might well include you. Perhaps both.
You seem also to have no clue at all as to whose fuck-ups led to opening day issues at healthcare.gov (think private sector once again). And of course you will refuse to note that repairs were made and that some 8 million people have since used the site to obtain health care coverage, an outcome that right-wing assholes have of course long opposed. You further seem to have no idea at all about the international situation regarding competitiveness in green-energy technology, or about the nature and solvency of our social insurance programs. Add some boatload of bullshit promoted by neanderthal nativists and skinheads about the foreign-born population, and we have a pretty complete picture of a pretty complete asshole. Just like the other asshole. You crush one worthless ignorant bot-like cockroach and along comes another one to take its place. Pathetic.
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> SF, he kind of schooled you there.
Kind of shows how much YOU know, deosn't it. You did all your econ larnin' at FOX News U and the Mises Institute, didn't you small-fry? Maybe pull the plug on all that propaganda slop and venture out into the real world one day. You'll find that things are not at all as they are portrayed in the cartoon world of right-wing fantasyland.
> Anyways, back to the original topic. The "system"
> for protecting abandoned kids is run by (you
> guessed it) liberal government workers that don't
> give two shits.
Really? Government workers are all liberals? From my experience (which is pretty obviously much greater than yours), government at all levels is politically not much different from anywhere else. There are people from across the spectrum. You may have swallowed yet another worthless load of right-wing propaganda here. Dumbfucks tend to do that a lot, you know. Particularly the colossal ones.
> Is it fucked up? Sure it is. But parents need to
> take responsibility. Its not the government's
> place to make sure every child hasn't been sold by
> their fucked up parent. The government doesn't have
> those kind of resources, especially while we're
> already paying for so many other things like failed
> websites, failed solar companies, failed pensions,
> tuition for illegal immigrants, etc.
> Remember - elections have consequences.
There are also consequences to being a miserably failed intellect, many of which you as a seemingly irredeemable imbecile and dyed-in-the-wool dumbfuck are inevitably bound to suffer at some point. Child welfare programs exist in the public sector for the same reason that so many other programs do -- the fucking private sector does an absolutely for-shit job at them. The representatives that we collectively have put in charge have agreed that the private sector situation is so dire and bleak that we collectively have no choice but to step in and clean up the worst of the child welfare messes in Aisle-5 that we individually make but completely fail to address. Only disturbed fucktards and outright sociopaths are apt to disagree with such notions. Of course, one or the other of those groups might well include you. Perhaps both.
You seem also to have no clue at all as to whose fuck-ups led to opening day issues at healthcare.gov (think private sector once again). And of course you will refuse to note that repairs were made and that some 8 million people have since used the site to obtain health care coverage, an outcome that right-wing assholes have of course long opposed. You further seem to have no idea at all about the international situation regarding competitiveness in green-energy technology, or about the nature and solvency of our social insurance programs. Add some boatload of bullshit promoted by neanderthal nativists and skinheads about the foreign-born population, and we have a pretty complete picture of a pretty complete asshole. Just like the other asshole. You crush one worthless ignorant bot-like cockroach and along comes another one to take its place. Pathetic.
Re: The system protecting our children is broken
Posted by:
SF LIberal
()
Date: April 20, 2014 11:07AM
libs hate America Wrote:
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> Blah, blah, blah. Facts are facts. Liberals are
> passionate about making it legal to murder their
> own species. Then for whatever reason some of
> these barbarians have kids. Then they pay other
> people to raise them because they don't love them
> and don't give a shit about them. Then, of course,
> they complain about the outcome. God forbid you
> mess with an eagles nest though.
LOL! Membership in the mumbo-jumbo-based "Cult of the Fetus" pretty much disqualifies you from being taken seriously on any matter at all. Stay in your dumbfuck world of medieval myth and superstition and leave it to the rest of us to take care of things for you.
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> Blah, blah, blah. Facts are facts. Liberals are
> passionate about making it legal to murder their
> own species. Then for whatever reason some of
> these barbarians have kids. Then they pay other
> people to raise them because they don't love them
> and don't give a shit about them. Then, of course,
> they complain about the outcome. God forbid you
> mess with an eagles nest though.
LOL! Membership in the mumbo-jumbo-based "Cult of the Fetus" pretty much disqualifies you from being taken seriously on any matter at all. Stay in your dumbfuck world of medieval myth and superstition and leave it to the rest of us to take care of things for you.
Re: The system protecting our children is broken
Posted by:
SF Liberal
()
Date: April 20, 2014 11:10AM
jpUEV Wrote:
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> The fall of our society, when morals are replaced
> by government policies.
Like religions, governments take their morals from the secular societies they find themselves in. They are each reflections of the people and instiututions that created them. Your attempt to seem profound has meanwhile utterly failed.
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> The fall of our society, when morals are replaced
> by government policies.
Like religions, governments take their morals from the secular societies they find themselves in. They are each reflections of the people and instiututions that created them. Your attempt to seem profound has meanwhile utterly failed.