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Open carry in Fairfax county
Posted by: Wyatt ()
Date: April 08, 2014 06:03PM

Is open carry of a pistol legal in Fairfax County?

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Re: Open carry in Fairfax county
Posted by: of course ()
Date: April 08, 2014 06:17PM

Of course.

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Re: Open carry in Fairfax county
Posted by: Knotta Squirrel ()
Date: April 08, 2014 06:31PM

Go to the Circuit Court and get a concealed permit instead, a hidden defensive weapon is a tactical advantage.

Walking around with a gun on your hip in a suburban/semi-urban environment is small-cocked faggotry. Unless you're into that of course.

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Re: Open carry in Fairfax county
Posted by: open carry is a right ()
Date: April 08, 2014 06:35PM

Knotta Squirrel Wrote:
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> Go to the Circuit Court and get a concealed permit
> instead, a hidden defensive weapon is a tactical
> advantage.
>
> Walking around with a gun on your hip in a
> suburban/semi-urban environment is small-cocked
> faggotry. Unless you're into that of course.

I know this is a troll thread but this last comment is just stoooopid.

Yes, get a concealed permit but why should you? It is your constitutional right to open carry.

Gays can openly be gay for FUCK THE POLICE AND FUCK LIBERALS!

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Re: Open carry in Fairfax county
Posted by: JustanFYI ()
Date: April 08, 2014 10:20PM

Knotta Squirrel Wrote:
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> Go to the Circuit Court and get a concealed permit
> instead, a hidden defensive weapon is a tactical
> advantage.
>
> Walking around with a gun on your hip in a
> suburban/semi-urban environment is small-cocked
> faggotry. Unless you're into that of course.

Unmarked police cars have a tactical advantage too, but cruising around in a marked patrol car deters crime when police have a presence.

Apply this same logic to open vs. concealed...

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Re: Open carry in Fairfax county
Posted by: Regular Guy ()
Date: April 08, 2014 11:03PM

Knotta Squirrel Wrote:
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>
> Walking around with a gun on your hip in a
> suburban/semi-urban environment is small-cocked
> faggotry. Unless you're into that of course.

Do you ever open your eyes when you leave your mother's basement?
Cops open carry every day and don't give me that crap about police "training" because I've seen cops at shooting ranges and hand-to-hand defense courses. I'm not impressed:
http://www.warmphotos.net/img/funny/fat-cops/fat-cops01.jpg

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Re: Open carry in Fairfax county
Posted by: Proud American (not a lib) ()
Date: April 08, 2014 11:10PM

Everyone who can carry legally should. Open carry more. Everybody should.
Fuck these anti American, police state fascist liberals.

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Re: Open carry in Fairfax county
Posted by: I enjoy open carry ()
Date: April 09, 2014 12:10AM

It allows me to observe who the assholes are. No second guessing.

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Re: Open carry in Fairfax county
Posted by: Ludwig ()
Date: April 09, 2014 12:38AM


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Re: Open carry in Fairfax county
Posted by: open carry cowards lol ()
Date: April 09, 2014 04:53AM

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Re: Open carry in Fairfax county
Posted by: c7eky ()
Date: April 09, 2014 08:42AM

JustanFYI Wrote:
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> Knotta Squirrel Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Go to the Circuit Court and get a concealed
> permit
> > instead, a hidden defensive weapon is a
> tactical
> > advantage.
> >
> > Walking around with a gun on your hip in a
> > suburban/semi-urban environment is small-cocked
> > faggotry. Unless you're into that of course.
>
> Unmarked police cars have a tactical advantage
> too, but cruising around in a marked patrol car
> deters crime when police have a presence.
>
> Apply this same logic to open vs. concealed...

Some maniac can't approach a cop from behind, disarm his cop car and shoot someone with it.

Open carry because an amendment adopted in the late 1700s says you can! As for other reasons why, I'll have to get back to you.

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Re: Open carry in Fairfax county
Posted by: A guy with a gun is no fun ()
Date: April 09, 2014 03:58PM

I enjoy open carry Wrote:
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> It allows me to observe who the assholes are. No
> second guessing.

+1.

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Re: Open carry in Fairfax county
Posted by: Kilton ()
Date: April 09, 2014 07:24PM

I enjoy open carry Wrote:
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> It allows me to observe who the assholes are. No
> second guessing.

Yep, there's nothing funnier than some dope open-carrying. A more desperate plea for attention I cannot imagine. :-)

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Re: Open carry in Fairfax county
Posted by: Penta Cost ()
Date: June 29, 2014 09:58AM

Kilton Wrote:
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> I enjoy open carry Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > It allows me to observe who the assholes are.
> No
> > second guessing.
>
> Yep, there's nothing funnier than some dope
> open-carrying. A more desperate plea for attention
> I cannot imagine. :-)


I saw some middle aged fat white guy who was open carrying at Ravensworth shopping center last week. I asked this guy nicely why he was such a fucking coward. He told me I was lucky that he was carrying so he would be unable to kick my ass. I asked him if he would do anything if I spit in his face. The cowardly fuck ran to his beat up station wagon and drove off all scared and shit. Typical guntard lol!

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Re: Open carry in Fairfax county
Posted by: YnUdk ()
Date: June 29, 2014 10:13AM

Yes, you can open carry.

And you are making a statement.

That statement is: I have a tiny penis, I work mall security and I most likely will never get laid except in the GOP mens room.

Who the fuck would need an open carry in Fairfax County? Grow up, If you really need to carry a gun, conceal it.


I agree with the above poster. We should all openly mock them in public. Remember, We would just be exercising our constitutional right to free speech.

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Re: Open carry in Fairfax county
Posted by: bunch of idiots ()
Date: June 29, 2014 10:14AM

the same can be said for idiots who open carry. all it takes is one pos to come up behind you, and take your gun, then use it against you. most people are paying attention to whats going on around them because they have their head up their a$$. why do so many think the cops give a crap about you open carrying? i hate to tell you but 99% dont care. they only hate the open carry idiots that do it in the hope of having their rights violated so they can sue and get check. by the way, cops who are in uniform have to have their badge and gun displayed per law. besides, what good does it doe for them to conceal carry while in uniform. it only puts them at a disadvantage since its clear they are cops when wearing a uniform. i for one will never open carry because i dont ever want to show a bad guy to know im armed. we live in a state that is so easy to get a concealed carry permit, so why the hell not get one? all these dumba$$es open carrying ar15's into walmart are just making the rest of us gun owners look like dumb rednecks. those are the dumb gun owners that give the rest a bad image.

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Re: Open carry in Fairfax county
Posted by: bunch of idiots ()
Date: June 29, 2014 10:16AM

bunch of idiots Wrote:
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> the same can be said for idiots who open carry.
> all it takes is one pos to come up behind you, and
> take your gun, then use it against you. most
> people are paying attention to whats going on
> around them because they have their head up their
> a$$. why do so many think the cops give a crap
> about you open carrying? i hate to tell you but
> 99% dont care. they only hate the open carry
> idiots that do it in the hope of having their
> rights violated so they can sue and get check. by
> the way, cops who are in uniform have to have
> their badge and gun displayed per law. besides,
> what good does it doe for them to conceal carry
> while in uniform. it only puts them at a
> disadvantage since its clear they are cops when
> wearing a uniform. i for one will never open carry
> because i dont ever want to show a bad guy to know
> im armed. we live in a state that is so easy to
> get a concealed carry permit, so why the hell not
> get one? all these dumba$$es open carrying ar15's
> into walmart are just making the rest of us gun
> owners look like dumb rednecks. those are the dumb
> gun owners that give the rest a bad image.

that should of said " most
> people are NOT paying attention to whats going on
> around them because they have their head up their
> a$$.

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Re: Open carry in Fairfax county
Posted by: UTeCd ()
Date: June 29, 2014 10:16AM

One more thing, if you mock them and they hit you, that is assult, Assult is a felony and if they are convicted, no more firearm ownership....

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Re: Open carry in Fairfax county
Posted by: bunch of idiots ()
Date: June 29, 2014 10:18AM

you need to learn your laws, because assault is NOT a felony. its a class 1 misd. it only becomes a felony if there is serious injury.

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Re: Open carry in Fairfax county
Posted by: Opencarry are tards ()
Date: June 29, 2014 10:26AM

bunch of idiots Wrote:
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> you need to learn your laws, because assault is
> NOT a felony. its a class 1 misd. it only becomes
> a felony if there is serious injury.


Serious injury? Like any assult would not end in serious injury if the person being hit decided that.
Also,
Since Open carry are all a bunch of whimps, the only likely scenario is them hitting a small women or child. Any man they hit would disarm them take them out of the gene pool very quickly.

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Re: Open carry in Fairfax county
Posted by: bunch of idiots ()
Date: June 29, 2014 10:36AM

your an idiot, a person cant "decide" if theres a serious injury. its pretty obvious if they end up in the hospital with their face bashed in or needing stitches or worse. even then, the charge is to be decided by a magistrate based on the injuries the cop observes, not what the victim "decides" their injury is.

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Re: Open carry in Fairfax county
Posted by: 4MLXM ()
Date: June 29, 2014 12:53PM

bunch of idiots Wrote:
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> your an idiot, a person cant "decide" if theres a
> serious injury. its pretty obvious if they end up
> in the hospital with their face bashed in or
> needing stitches or worse. even then, the charge
> is to be decided by a magistrate based on the
> injuries the cop observes, not what the victim
> "decides" their injury is.

You are the idiot...It happens all the time in staged car accidents. All you have to do is act confused or not talk, it will automatically be a brain dysfunction injury. Impossible to know if the person is faking or not. I see about 5 or 6 a year. Insurance usually settles with them to avoid court.

You have left the basement much have you?

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Re: Open carry in Fairfax county
Posted by: isbs ()
Date: June 29, 2014 01:32PM

Penta Cost Wrote:
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> Kilton Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I enjoy open carry Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > It allows me to observe who the assholes are.
> > No
> > > second guessing.
> >
> > Yep, there's nothing funnier than some dope
> > open-carrying. A more desperate plea for
> attention
> > I cannot imagine. :-)
>
>
> I saw some middle aged fat white guy who was open
> carrying at Ravensworth shopping center last week.
> I asked this guy nicely why he was such a fucking
> coward. He told me I was lucky that he was
> carrying so he would be unable to kick my ass. I
> asked him if he would do anything if I spit in his
> face. The cowardly fuck ran to his beat up station
> wagon and drove off all scared and shit. Typical
> guntard lol!

I don't believe a word of what you say. This isn't the first time you've posted bullshit.

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Re: Open carry in Fairfax county
Posted by: nebVW ()
Date: June 29, 2014 02:03PM

isbs Wrote:
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> Penta Cost Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Kilton Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > I enjoy open carry Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > It allows me to observe who the assholes
> are.
> > > No
> > > > second guessing.
> > >
> > > Yep, there's nothing funnier than some dope
> > > open-carrying. A more desperate plea for
> > attention
> > > I cannot imagine. :-)
> >
> >
> > I saw some middle aged fat white guy who was
> open
> > carrying at Ravensworth shopping center last
> week.
> > I asked this guy nicely why he was such a
> fucking
> > coward. He told me I was lucky that he was
> > carrying so he would be unable to kick my ass.
> I
> > asked him if he would do anything if I spit in
> his
> > face. The cowardly fuck ran to his beat up
> station
> > wagon and drove off all scared and shit.
> Typical
> > guntard lol!
>
> I don't believe a word of what you say. This isn't
> the first time you've posted bullshit.

Oh we are scared! ..The mall called, you need to be there at 3pm to clean the men's room. Guntard twerp. Someday maybe if you save enough money, you can get a hooker and then you won't virgin anymore. Until then enjoy screwing your guns..

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Re: Open carry in Fairfax county
Posted by: No Balls Guntards ()
Date: June 29, 2014 02:10PM

Open carry all you want.

a) It makes you or your house a great target for criminals. Criminals love stealing guns.

b) You'll piss off 75% of people in Fairfax county.

c) Every soccer mom in Fairfax county will give you dirty looks.

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Re: Open carry in Fairfax county
Posted by: Penta Cost ()
Date: June 29, 2014 02:20PM

I always get a chuckle out of this sign that has been floating around the internet for years. The guntard family is 4.77 times more likely to be a victim of violent crime simply because they have guns in the house. The retarded gun owner is way too fucking stupid to understand reality.
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Re: Open carry in Fairfax county
Posted by: Kilton ()
Date: June 29, 2014 05:52PM

isbs Wrote:
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> I don't believe a word of what you say. This isn't
> the first time you've posted bullshit.

Well, I believe these words for sure:

"I saw some middle aged fat white guy who was open carrying..."

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Re: Open carry in Fairfax county
Posted by: db79h ()
Date: June 29, 2014 06:02PM

Penta Cost Wrote:
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> I always get a chuckle out of this sign that has
> been floating around the internet for years. The
> guntard family is 4.77 times more likely to be a
> victim of violent crime simply because they have
> guns in the house. The retarded gun owner is way
> too fucking stupid to understand reality.


No, actually they're not.

Anti-gun dumbshits are 10.327 times more likely to believe bullshit stats like that.

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Re: Open carry in Fairfax county
Posted by: Stupis IS as Stupid Does ()
Date: June 29, 2014 09:35PM

>. I asked him if he would do anything if I spit in his face

Go ahead and you will be arrested for assault. With a gun in your face until the cops come. If you have aids ect Felony assault.

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Re: Open carry in Fairfax county
Posted by: Dirty Harry ()
Date: June 29, 2014 09:48PM

Stupis IS as Stupid Does Wrote:
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> >. I asked him if he would do anything if I spit
> in his face
>
> Go ahead and you will be arrested for assault.
> With a gun in your face until the cops come. If
> you have aids ect Felony assault.


You are such a twerp..If I saw you pull a gun on somebody else like that, I would make sure the police knew exactly what happened. "Mentally ill gun owner was hearing voices and pulled his gun and started pointing it at people" " I belive he made sexual advances towards the victim and was rebuffed "

So go back to watching you Clint Eastwood movies. Maybe you should play russina roulette with your self. It works best with a Glock 9mm semi auto with wadcutters.

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Re: Open carry in Fairfax county
Posted by: Dumbass Yankee Fuck ()
Date: June 29, 2014 09:51PM

Were any of you at Greenberry's for that gun incident about two months ago?

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Re: Open carry in Fairfax county
Posted by: Clobbersaurus ()
Date: June 30, 2014 03:42AM

Stupis IS as Stupid Does Wrote:
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> >. I asked him if he would do anything if I spit
> in his face
>
> Go ahead and you will be arrested for assault.
> With a gun in your face until the cops come. If
> you have aids ect Felony assault.


If this happened, you'd be going to jajl for brandishing.

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Re: Open carry in Fairfax county
Posted by: NRgay! ()
Date: June 30, 2014 04:51AM

Penta Cost Wrote:
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>
>
> I saw some middle aged fat white guy who was open
> carrying at Ravensworth shopping center last week.
> I asked this guy nicely why he was such a fucking
> coward. He told me I was lucky that he was
> carrying so he would be unable to kick my ass. I
> asked him if he would do anything if I spit in his
> face. The cowardly fuck ran to his beat up station
> wagon and drove off all scared and shit. Typical
> guntard lol!


The guntard probably burst into tears as soon as he got home. You should not be so mean to guntards, they are very weak and fragile people.

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Re: Open carry in Fairfax county
Posted by: 'Penta Cost' ... or just 'bubs'? ()
Date: June 30, 2014 06:24AM

Penta Cost Wrote:
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>
> I saw some middle aged fat white guy who was open
> carrying at Ravensworth shopping center last week.
> I asked this guy nicely why he was such a fucking
> coward. He told me I was lucky that he was
> carrying so he would be unable to kick my ass. I
> asked him if he would do anything if I spit in his
> face. The cowardly fuck ran to his beat up station
> wagon and drove off all scared and shit. Typical
> guntard lol!
>

Well, well. Our old friend, 'bubs,' is back. And he's obviously stopped taking his meds again. (He sneaks access to the common access terminal in the dayroom, which most of the other patients are allowed to use, when he feverishly posts here.)

He's still as insane as can be. There is no cure for 'bubs' ... so just humor him for awhile. The caretakers or medical staff eventually catch on when 'bubs' decides he doesn't need his meds. But until then, welcome to this loon's world.

For those new to FairfaxUnderground, 'bubs' is an institutionalized lunatic who pops up every now and then to report his delusional interactions with strangers he believes are armed. In the past 'bubs' has been preoccupied with the penis size of the fantastic nemesis. (In this thread, seeming kindred spirits of 'bubs' are beating that drum.) See the thread below for some wild delusions 'bubs' has reported:

http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/2/1542800.html


His caretakers successfully intervened during the May episode at first, but the following week 'bubs' returned to post more lunacy. This loon is eager to share his fantasies with the world ... the longer he spends off-meds, the more strident he'll become. And until his behavior requires a more controlled clinical setting than his current closed ward, he'll likely continue to show up and regale all with his fanciful stories.

http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/2/1549497.html


And now he's back. Thanks to the do-gooders, the caretakers' intervention attempts can only go so far. As long as he takes his meds, especially his Thorazine, his behavior is fairly appropriate. But when he spits the meds out, the fantasies and delusions return, along with the compulsion to communicate with those in the 'outside world.'

Looney as can be. And deserving of a more controlled environment than is now possible. Thanks do-gooders!

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Re: Open carry in Fairfax county
Posted by: mgnut ()
Date: June 30, 2014 08:01AM

If you open carry, make sure you use a good retension holster.

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Re: Open carry in Fairfax county
Posted by: CjvHw ()
Date: June 30, 2014 08:16AM

LoLz

 
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Re: Open carry in Fairfax county
Posted by: Letters ()
Date: June 30, 2014 08:20AM

CjvHw Wrote:
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> LoLz
>
>  


When was the Obama rally? I missed this one.

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Re: Open carry in Fairfax county
Posted by: Fb3FH ()
Date: June 30, 2014 09:04AM

Penta Cost Wrote:
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> I always get a chuckle out of this sign that has
> been floating around the internet for years. The
> guntard family is 4.77 times more likely to be a
> victim of violent crime simply because they have
> guns in the house. The retarded gun owner is way
> too fucking stupid to understand reality.

+100

When I lived in Springfield the ONLY home in our neighborhood to be broken into and robbed had a security system an lots of firearms. The theif was caught and was a distant relative that stole the guns for drug money. Keeping firearms is a lot like keeping thousands in cash in your home (and advertising it). The guns dont defend the house themselves and you have to leave your home sometime - that is when they get taken. Theives can wait all day...

Not good not bad just reality.

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Re: Open carry in Fairfax county
Posted by: OverseaObserver ()
Date: June 30, 2014 06:51PM

Please read the following to gain a better understanding of Open Carry:

The Open Carry Argument
Written March 17, 2009 by Mainsail

My primary goal when I’m out and about, besides whatever I went out and about to do, is to go about peaceably and not be the victim of a violent crime. To that end I carry a firearm whenever I go out as well as follow all the other standard safety practices like maintaining situational awareness, staying out of high crime areas, and avoiding confrontation. I also have a larger overall goal of making it through my life without shooting anyone. Simply put, I don’t want to be responsible, legally or morally, for another’s death. Those two goals might appear at first blush to be mutually exclusive, and with concealed carry it would be a difficult set of goals to realize.

Carry of any firearm or other weapon for defensive purposes is a solemn responsibility. Those of us that do (openly or concealed) are mortified by the idea, constantly promoted by the pacifists, that our behavior is more reckless because we are armed. In other words, because we carry a handgun we take more risks than we would if we were unarmed. While it would be dishonest to claim we are all responsible gun owners, it is my belief that the vast majority of us are. Regardless of what or how you carry, you need to come to the realization that you are setting yourself up to lose. Whenever you are placed in a defensive situation, you will always lose; it’s only the degree of loss that’s negotiable. Ayoob hits on this in his book, In the Gravest Extreme. He suggests tossing the robber a small wad of cash and moving off, even if you could prevail with a weapon. There’s a very good reason for this. Regardless of how skilled you are at drawing your weapon, you are going to lose. It may be only a minor loss, like being very shaken up and not sleeping well for a few days, or it may be a major loss, like becoming fertilizer, or (most likely) it may be somewhere in-between, but you always lose. Your life will not be the same even if you prevail.

Carrying a concealed firearm presents to a criminal that I am unarmed. Every study I’ve ever read, not most but every study, says that criminals will avoid an armed person or home when selecting a victim. That only makes sense, right? Robbers, rapists, or carjackers might be dumb and opportunistic, but they have the same instinctual sense of self preservation we all have. Hyenas don’t attack lions to steal the gazelle the lions have just killed. It’s all about risk management; are the potential gains (a tasty gazelle dinner) worth the risks (pain and damage the lion’s teeth will cause), and does the hyena really need to test the lion to figure out the answer? No, the hyena can see the lion’s teeth and knows to stay well clear.

Deterrent Value:
When I’m carrying concealed I feel like my ‘teeth’ are hidden, and thus of no real deterrent value. If I appear unarmed then I am unarmed in the eyes of the robber, I appear as easy a target as almost anyone else out on the street. My probability of being a victim of a crime, violent or otherwise, is completely unchanged by the fact that I have hidden beneath my shirt the means to defend myself. My goal, however, is not to be a victim in the first place, remember? I don’t want to be a victim that fought back successfully and triumphed; I prefer to not be victimized at all. I recognize that there are some people who (think they) want to be victimized so they can whip out their concealed firearm and ‘surprise’ the mugger; that is, in my opinion, foolish immaturity. Concealed carry is good; it throws a wrench in the works for criminals who might see the teeming masses as a smorgasbord of financial gain. This deterrent effect is, nonetheless, indirect and often nil. At some point the thug will weigh the risks vs. the gains; is his current desperation for money/drugs/booze/gold grille greater than the gamble that one of those people might be carrying a gun? If he decides to play the odds, which helped along with surprise tip the scale in his favor, he will attack. Will his attack allow enough time for me to draw my concealed firearm to affect a defense? Maybe, but then again, maybe not.

Remember, I don’t want to be a victim and I don’t want to shoot anyone. So how do I realize both goals; or how do I make them inclusive? I can do that through open carry. By making it clear and obvious that I am armed, that I have teeth, I tip the risk scale to the point that the criminal’s gains are far outweighed by the risk. There is no ambiguity when the thug is doing his risk assessment, there’s something right there in plain sight that can quickly and painfully change or terminate his life. You may not think his life has much value, but as I mentioned before, he has the same sense of self preservation as any other living creature and to him it’s every bit as valuable as yours is to you. It would be foolish to ignore this indisputable fact when you develop your overall tactical strategy.

The Five Stages of Violent Crime
I am a firm believer in this defense theology and urge anyone who carries a firearm for protection (and even those who do not) to follow the link and read it carefully. Please, for your and your family’s sake, read that. Drill down into the hyperlinks for better explanations; absorb as much information as you can. A violent crime does not begin at the point where one person with ill intent draws a weapon or attacks another.

The Five Stages of Violent Crime:
Crime and violence are processes that take time to develop. The attack is not the first step, the preliminary triangle must be built. There are five distinct stages that are easily identified:
1) Intent
2) Interview
3) Positioning
4) Attack
5) Reaction

I do not believe the act begins after the BG has made his intentions known by drawing on you (attack); it began when he formed the intent. Well, there’s not a lot I can do personally to stop another’s intent, so I need to look a little farther along in the sequence and try to derail that train before it gets to the attack. For the sake of argument, let’s remove weapons from the equation for just a moment. A 5’2” unarmed attacker isn’t going to choose a 6’6” victim over a 5’1” victim, right? He’s going to attack the easier target. Now let’s come back to the reality of violent crime and add back the weapons. Concealed carry presumes it is better to wait until the opponent has drawn his knife or gun and then try to ‘fix’ the situation. It’s seems a bit foolish to promote the idea that it’s better to attempt to stop a violent crime in the fourth stage when you could instead prevent it in the second. A concealed weapon cannot deter an attack at the ‘interview’ stage; it’s completely ineffectual in that role. Open carry is the only method that provides a direct deterrent. Let’s say the bad-guy missed the openly carried pistol and holster during the interview stage, and has proceeded to the ‘positioning’ stage. Chances are pretty good he’ll see it at some point then, right? Then, let’s say the planets have all aligned just so and he, for whatever reason, has begun his attack despite your openly carried sidearm. At this point, the OCer is on level footing with the CCer, the attack has begun. Who has the advantage? Well, I’m going to say that with all things being equal (skill level and equipment) the OCer has a speed of draw advantage over the CCer.

First One To Be Shot:
There are some who criticize open carry and claim it will make you more of a target or ‘the first one shot’ when a robber walks into the 7-11, despite the absolute lack of credible evidence that this has ever happened. If the robber walks in and sees that you’re armed, his whole plan has encountered an unexpected variable. In bank robberies where he might expect to see an armed guard he will have already factored that possibility into his plan, but only for the armed guard, not for open or concealed carry citizens. No robber robs a bank without at least a rudimentary plan. Nevertheless, being present for a bank robbery is an extremely remote possibility for most of us regardless of our preferred method of handgun carry, so let’s go back in the 7-11. If the robber sees someone is armed he is forced to either significantly alter the plan or abort it outright. Robbing is an inherently apprehensive occupation, and one that doesn’t respond well to instant modifications. He is not prepared to commit murder when he only planned for larceny. He knows that a petty robbery will not garner the intense police manhunt a murder would. He doesn’t know if you’re an armed citizen or a police officer and isn’t going to take the time to figure it out. Either way, if someone in the 7-11 is unexpectedly armed, how many others might be similarly adorned and where might they be? Does this unexpectedly armed individual have a partner who is likewise armed nearby, someone who is watching right now? Self preservation compels him to abort the plan for one that is less risky. So we see that the logic matches the history; open carriers are not the first ones shot because it doesn’t make sense in any common street crime scenario that they would be. If your personal self protection plan emphasizes “Hollywood” style crimes over the more realistic street mugging, it might be best to stay home.

Surprise:
Probably the most common condemnation of open carry comes from the armchair tacticians who believe it’s better to have the element of surprise in a criminal encounter. Although this was touched on in the previous paragraph about deterrence, I’ll expand on it specifically here because there are some important truths you need to consider before you lean too heavily on this false support. Surprise as a defensive tactic is often based on unrealistic or ill-thought out scenarios, and seems to exist only in the minds of concealed carry firearms proponents. The circumstance where several street toughs surround and taunt you for a while before robbing you, like in some Charles Bronson movie, is not realistic; the mugger wants to get in and out as fast as possible. In most cases you will have only seconds to realize what’s happening, make a decision, and react. Imagine you’re walking along the sidewalk when two gangsta looking teenagers suddenly appear at the corner coming in the opposite direction. You have only seconds to react if their intent was to victimize you. Do you draw your concealed firearm now or wait until there’s an actual visible threat? If they are just on their way to church and you pull a gun on them, you are the criminal and you will likely forever lose your firearms rights for such a foolish action. If you don’t draw and they pull a knife or pistol when they’re just a couple steps away, your only options are draw (if you think you can) or comply. Imagine staring at the shiny blade of a knife being held by a very nervous and violent mugger, three inches from your or your wife’s throat and having to decide whether or not you have time to draw from concealment. The element of surprise may not do you any good; in fact the only surprising thing that might happen is that your concealed carry pistol gets taken along with your wallet. The thug will later get a good chuckle with his buddies about how you brought a gun to a knife fight. The simple truth is that while surprise is a monumentally superior tactical maneuver, it is exclusively an offensive action, not a defensive one. What many internet commandos call ‘defensive surprise’ is nothing more than damage control, a last ditch effort to fight your way back out of a dangerous situation. I am not aware of any army that teaches using surprise as a defense against attack. No squad of soldiers goes on patrol with their weapons hidden so that they can ‘surprise’ the enemy should they walk into an ambush.

It Will Get Stolen:
Another common criticism of open carry is that the firearm itself will be the target of theft, prompting a criminal to attack simply to get the gun from you. Like the previous example of being the first one shot in a robbery, above, this is despite the fact that there is no credible evidence it happens. It also blindly ignores the more obvious fact that anything you possess can make you the target of a crime, be it a car, a watch, or even a female companion (girlfriend, wife, or daughter). Crooks commonly steal for only one of two reasons; to get something you have that they want, or to get something that you have so they can sell it and buy something they want. I don’t claim it could never happen; just that it’s so remote a possibility that it doesn’t warrant drastic alterations to our self defense strategies. If you believe otherwise, leave your wife, children, watch, sunglasses, jewelry, and cell phone at home, hop into your Pinto wagon, and head out to do your thing. Very often, someone critical of open carry will cite some example of a uniformed police officer whose gun was taken by a violent criminal, and yes, this does indeed happen. The argument, however, breaks down when they assume the officer was targeted solely to steal his firearm. What is more likely is that the officer was targeted merely for being a police officer and the gun was stolen as a byproduct of the attack. More often, the officer’s gun is taken during the struggle to get the suspect into custody due to an entirely unrelated matter. However, let’s suppose, for argument, that a police officer really was attacked just to get his firearm. What actions did the police department take to prevent it from reoccurring? Did they demand that their officers carry concealed? No, of course not. You should, like the police, prioritize your defense strategy for the most likely threat first, and the least likely last.

It Scares People:
One other statement against open carry I hear is that it damages public perception of firearms owners, or that by carrying openly we are not being good ambassadors to the public. While there are some people who have a genuine fear of firearms, due either to some horrible past experience or anti-gun indoctrination, the majority of people are either indifferent to them or quite fascinated by them. I’ve never kept track of the dozens of fellow citizens I’ve encountered who have marveled at the idea of open carry, but I do know exactly how many have expressed displeasure at it; one. People are scared of many things for many reasons; however, pretending those things do not exist only perpetuates the fear. Someone who is disturbed by open carry is going to be every bit as disturbed by concealed carry. The only effective way to overcome a fear is to come to the intellectual realization that the phobia is based on emotion and not on fact. By being a firsthand witness that a firearm was carried responsibly and peaceably, and wasn’t being carried in the commission of a crime, one who was apprehensive about firearms discovers their fear is not fact based, but emotional. Thus, open carry can be a very effectual way of helping to overcome the emotionally based fear of the firearm. After all, you’d be much more likely to believe in ghosts if you saw one rather than if you listened to a ghost story around a campfire. In other words, we give significantly more credibility to the things we experience than we do to the things we hear. The bottom line is that this argument is made by people who don’t, cant, or haven’t carried openly; those of us who do so on a regular basis have an entirely different experience.

I’m Not Comfortable Carrying Openly:
This is really the only reasonable argument against open carry for an individual. We all have a comfort zone for any aspect of our lives and we prefer to stay within that comfort zone. We all agree that it’s better to be armed and never need the firearm than it is to need it and not have it. There is a point where concealing your firearm becomes so problematic, due to conditions like temperature or comfort, that some choose to either leave it behind or carry in such a way that it would be difficult or impossible to draw it quickly. If it takes me five or six seconds to draw my firearm from deep concealment and I had sufficient time before hand to actually do so, I would prefer to use that five or six seconds to avoid the entire encounter. I’m glad we have concealed carry laws in most of the states; it empowers and protects not only us but the general public through the offset deterrent effect. Some of us, however, choose the more direct deterrent effect of open carry.

Conclusion
No, open carry is not the be-all-end-all of self defense any more than concealed carry is. The purpose of this essay is not to convince you to carry a firearm openly, but to merely point out the reasoning I used to determine that it is often the best option for me. If you think otherwise, please feel free to write an essay of your own outlining the reasoning you used. I would suggest that you avoid the intellectual mistake of emphasizing rare or unlikely defense scenarios that many of us will never experience. I believe one should prioritize for the most likely threat, not the least likely threat. I don’t put Hollywood style bank robberies high on my threat list because I rarely go into a bank and those types of robberies are very rare themselves. I live in the most crime riddled city in the northwest; the most likely threat here is some young male with a knife or gun trying to carjack me or mug me on the street, in the park, or in a parking lot. With this knowledge I build my personal self protection plan based on that manner of attack. This may not suit you, especially if you live in Hollywood.

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Re: Open carry in Fairfax county
Posted by: LM9nC ()
Date: June 30, 2014 09:23PM

All that bullshit above can be accomplished with a simple taser.

Fucking paranoid cowards.

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Re: Open carry in Fairfax county
Posted by: Dumb Shit ()
Date: June 30, 2014 10:27PM

LM9nC Wrote:
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> All that bullshit above can be accomplished with a
> simple taser.
>
> Fucking paranoid cowards.


Says the dumb shot that has never used a taser to start with so he has no idea what a taser does or does not do.

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Re: Open carry in Fairfax county
Posted by: OverseaObserver ()
Date: June 30, 2014 10:37PM

LM9nC Wrote:
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> All that bullshit above can be accomplished with a
> simple taser.
>
> Fucking paranoid cowards.


A taser is for cowards. Carry a real defensive tool, or go home.

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Re: Open carry in Fairfax county
Posted by: citizen 37 ()
Date: March 04, 2015 07:39PM

Wyatt Wrote:
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> Is open carry of a pistol legal in Fairfax
> County?


You can carry but people will spit in your face.

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Re: Open carry in Fairfax county
Posted by: If You Do That ()
Date: March 04, 2015 08:57PM

You will be arrested for assult . And they do have a right to punch you stright in the face . And if you have AIDs,Hep or any other serious shit thats a felony assult . And they can detain you for the police, physically if they can, with no firearm out of the holster. No they can't pull a gun on you unless you show a deadly weapon or are much larger or younger and are a physical threat to them. And you started it with your physical assult of spitting and DNA will show just what you did.

You have a mental problem that is for sure to suggest spitting on someone.

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Re: Open carry in Fairfax county
Posted by: citizen 37 ()
Date: March 05, 2015 08:00AM

If You Do That Wrote:
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> You will be arrested for assult . And they do have
> a right to punch you stright in the face . And if
> you have AIDs,Hep or any other serious shit thats
> a felony assult . And they can detain you for the
> police, physically if they can, with no firearm
> out of the holster. No they can't pull a gun on
> you unless you show a deadly weapon or are much
> larger or younger and are a physical threat to
> them. And you started it with your physical assult
> of spitting and DNA will show just what you did.
>
> You have a mental problem that is for sure to
> suggest spitting on someone.


Remember however that open carry people are all cowards. If someone even threatens to spit in their face they will run to their vehicle and drive away. People who open carry are the same kids that got their asses kicked and their lunch money stolen in grade school.

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Re: Open carry in Fairfax county
Posted by: Nobody's Fool ()
Date: March 05, 2015 08:13AM

If one idiot has a gun, then you have to arm all idiots.
Or it isn't good sport

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Re: Open carry in Fairfax county
Posted by: THE bottom line ()
Date: March 05, 2015 05:02PM

Anyone who carries a gun in Fairfax is either a Law enforcement officer or a HUGE COWARD. Just the truth period, dot.

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Re: Open carry in Fairfax county
Posted by: 18" grill ()
Date: September 09, 2018 06:20AM

Penta Cost Wrote:
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> Kilton Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I enjoy open carry Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > It allows me to observe who the assholes are.
> > No
> > > second guessing.
> >
> > Yep, there's nothing funnier than some dope
> > open-carrying. A more desperate plea for
> attention
> > I cannot imagine. :-)
>
>
> I saw some middle aged fat white guy who was open
> carrying at Ravensworth shopping center last week.
> I asked this guy nicely why he was such a fucking
> coward. He told me I was lucky that he was
> carrying so he would be unable to kick my ass. I
> asked him if he would do anything if I spit in his
> face. The cowardly fuck ran to his beat up station
> wagon and drove off all scared and shit. Typical
> guntard lol!


All gun owners are severely cowardly.

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Re: Open carry in Fairfax county
Posted by: QuickDrawFruppie ()
Date: September 09, 2018 09:17AM

18" grill Wrote:
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> Penta Cost Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Kilton Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > I enjoy open carry Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > It allows me to observe who the assholes
> are.
> > > No
> > > > second guessing.
> > >
> > > Yep, there's nothing funnier than some dope
> > > open-carrying. A more desperate plea for
> > attention
> > > I cannot imagine. :-)
> >
> >
> > I saw some middle aged fat white guy who was
> open
> > carrying at Ravensworth shopping center last
> week.
> > I asked this guy nicely why he was such a
> fucking
> > coward. He told me I was lucky that he was
> > carrying so he would be unable to kick my ass.
> I
> > asked him if he would do anything if I spit in
> his
> > face. The cowardly fuck ran to his beat up
> station
> > wagon and drove off all scared and shit.
> Typical
> > guntard lol!
>
>
> All gun owners are severely cowardly.

You're stupid.

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Re: Open carry in Fairfax county
Posted by: Brown Onion ()
Date: September 09, 2018 09:55AM

I wouldn't recommend open carry as chocolate faces or iguana eaters in large numbers like the sand people will steal your piece.

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Re: Open carry in Fairfax county
Posted by: Carrier49 ()
Date: September 09, 2018 10:20AM

I saw someone carrying openly over at the Fairfax Circle Arthur Treacher's. He was sporting a nice Sig Sauer P220 eating fresh, hot fish and chips. Had a Fanta, too.

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Re: Open carry in Fairfax county
Posted by: Research the truth ()
Date: September 09, 2018 03:04PM

CC is the only way to carry.

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Re: Open carry in Fairfax county
Posted by: why you ()
Date: September 09, 2018 03:06PM

Research the truth Wrote:
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> CC is the only way to carry.


Yes Coward Carry is the only way to go!

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Re: Open carry in Fairfax county
Posted by: Research the truth ()
Date: September 09, 2018 04:00PM

why you Wrote:
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> Research the truth Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > CC is the only way to carry.
>
>
> Yes Coward Carry is the only way to go!

It is idiots like you that are found dead under a desk. On the the security camera recordings they can be seen begging for their lives.

So who is the real coward?

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Re: Open carry in Fairfax county
Posted by: Cranky ()
Date: September 09, 2018 06:10PM

Penta Cost Wrote:
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> Kilton Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I enjoy open carry Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > It allows me to observe who the assholes are.
> > No
> > > second guessing.
> >
> > Yep, there's nothing funnier than some dope
> > open-carrying. A more desperate plea for
> attention
> > I cannot imagine. :-)
>
>
> I saw some middle aged fat white guy who was open
> carrying at Ravensworth shopping center last week.
> I asked this guy nicely why he was such a fucking
> coward. He told me I was lucky that he was
> carrying so he would be unable to kick my ass. I
> asked him if he would do anything if I spit in his
> face. The cowardly fuck ran to his beat up station
> wagon and drove off all scared and shit. Typical
> guntard lol!

This girl is a raging asshole AND a liar.

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Re: Open carry in Fairfax county
Posted by: Howdy Doo ()
Date: September 09, 2018 06:17PM

So you’re sitting at a restaurant having dinner with your wife and a lunatic muslim with a gun and a carving knife shows up and starts killing people. What are you going to do? Call him a coward? Rush him and take one between the eyes?
You would be delighted to have some open or concealed carrier to save you and yours, libard myopic sissy girl.

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Re: Open carry in Fairfax county
Posted by: Be realistic + Be respectful ()
Date: September 09, 2018 06:29PM

Howdy Doo Wrote:
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> So you’re sitting at a restaurant having dinner
> with your wife and a lunatic muslim with a gun and
> a carving knife shows up and starts killing
> people. What are you going to do? Call him a
> coward? Rush him and take one between the eyes?
> You would be delighted to have some open or
> concealed carrier to save you and yours, libard
> myopic sissy girl.


Open a discussion with the irritated person, and reason a positive outcome to the situation.

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Re: Open carry in Fairfax county
Posted by: Exactly Right Libtards Are Weak ()
Date: September 09, 2018 06:31PM

You could be on Metro in Virginia when a fat white libtard celebrates diversity with a brother on drugs slipping a blade in his back 40 times

If I were in that situation, Id just sit their humming unless he started at the rest of us, me last before Id skin the smoke wagon as I push liberals between him and I

The two of us would be the last men standing and only 1 would get off the train alive, me and I don't have any white liberal guilt trips about that

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Re: Open carry in Fairfax county
Posted by: Never Know When Punks Attack ()
Date: September 09, 2018 06:40PM

Tombstone Head Canoe anyone, how to ride Metro when a crowd of thugs want to attack you lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyjrUAimzZg

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Re: Open carry in Fairfax county
Posted by: Good One Above But ()
Date: September 09, 2018 06:42PM

This ones the one about that ride lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=co5xVHsMRV0

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Re: Open carry in Fairfax county
Posted by: jkj ()
Date: June 27, 2020 10:17AM

Wyatt Wrote:
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> Is open carry of a pistol legal in Fairfax
> County?

Open carry is also know as coward carry.

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Re: Open carry in Fairfax county
Posted by: SumMo ()
Date: June 27, 2020 11:43AM

An uber-progressive neighborhood in Minneapolis has vowed not to call the cops on people in the community and instead to utilize the American Indian Movement to help solve local grievances.
And for the last two weeks, an encampment of at least 300 homeless people (and counting) have made the neighborhood their home. The results:

"Mitchell Erickson’s fingers began dialing 911 last week before he had a chance to even consider alternatives, when two black teenagers who looked to be 15, at most, cornered him outside his home a block away from the park.

One of the boys pointed a gun at Mr. Erickson’s chest, demanding his car keys.

Flustered, Mr. Erickson handed over a set, but it turned out to be house keys. The teenagers got frustrated and ran off, then stole a different car down the street.

Mr. Erickson said later that he would not cooperate with prosecutors in a case against the boys. After the altercation, he realized that if there was anything he wanted, it was to offer them help. But he still felt it had been right to call the authorities because there was a gun involved.

Two days after an initial conversation, his position had evolved. “Been thinking more about it,” he wrote in a text message. “I regret calling the police. It was my instinct but I wish it hadn’t been. I put those boys in danger of death by calling the cops.

This guys cousins live in Fx County - dumb asses.

Don't be so open minded that your brain falls out.

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Re: Open carry in Fairfax county
Posted by: NRA member 65 ()
Date: June 27, 2020 12:02PM

SumMo Wrote:
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> An uber-progressive neighborhood in Minneapolis
> has vowed not to call the cops on people in the
> community and instead to utilize the American
> Indian Movement to help solve local grievances.
> And for the last two weeks, an encampment of at
> least 300 homeless people (and counting) have made
> the neighborhood their home. The results:
>
> "Mitchell Erickson’s fingers began dialing 911
> last week before he had a chance to even consider
> alternatives, when two black teenagers who looked
> to be 15, at most, cornered him outside his home a
> block away from the park.
>
> One of the boys pointed a gun at Mr.
> Erickson’s chest, demanding his car keys.
>
> Flustered, Mr. Erickson handed over a set, but
> it turned out to be house keys. The teenagers got
> frustrated and ran off, then stole a different car
> down the street.
>
> Mr. Erickson said later that he would not
> cooperate with prosecutors in a case against the
> boys. After the altercation, he realized that if
> there was anything he wanted, it was to offer them
> help. But he still felt it had been right to call
> the authorities because there was a gun involved.
>
> Two days after an initial conversation, his
> position had evolved. “Been thinking more about
> it,” he wrote in a text message. “I regret
> calling the police. It was my instinct but I wish
> it hadn’t been. I put those boys in danger of
> death by calling the cops.

>
> This guys cousins live in Fx County - dumb asses.
>
> Don't be so open minded that your brain falls out.


Great story there junior. We are all really impressed.

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Re: Open carry in Fairfax county
Posted by: oh look at me! ()
Date: January 30, 2021 03:53AM

Penta Cost Wrote:
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> Kilton Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I enjoy open carry Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > It allows me to observe who the assholes are.
> > No
> > > second guessing.
> >
> > Yep, there's nothing funnier than some dope
> > open-carrying. A more desperate plea for
> attention
> > I cannot imagine. :-)
>
>
> I saw some middle aged fat white guy who was open
> carrying at Ravensworth shopping center last week.
> I asked this guy nicely why he was such a fucking
> coward. He told me I was lucky that he was
> carrying so he would be unable to kick my ass. I
> asked him if he would do anything if I spit in his
> face. The cowardly fuck ran to his beat up station
> wagon and drove off all scared and shit. Typical
> guntard lol!


Yes.

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Re: Open carry in Fairfax county
Posted by: What Do You Carry? ()
Date: January 30, 2021 08:23PM

It’s a violation if I open carry. I’m only allowed concealed carry.
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Re: Open carry in Fairfax county
Posted by: silver homo lining ()
Date: January 31, 2021 02:17PM

Why is it that pro gun guys always post pictures of dicks?

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Re: Open carry in Fairfax county
Posted by: NRGay ()
Date: February 01, 2021 09:17AM

silver homo lining Wrote:
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> Why is it that pro gun guys always post pictures
> of dicks?

The NRA is mostly gay guys.

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Re: Open carry in Fairfax county
Posted by: Hot n cold ()
Date: December 11, 2021 04:49PM

NRGay Wrote:
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> silver homo lining Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Why is it that pro gun guys always post
> pictures
> > of dicks?
>
> The NRA is mostly gay guys.


True.

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